2010 Prius Gen3 NiMH to Lithium upgrade - installation guide

Installation guide for upgrading 2010 Prius Gen 3 from stock NiMH to Lithium upgrade pack.
A prototype pack has been used in this video, the final production version is now available at ProjectLithium.com
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[@user-mr.donald]

Brabo ! I am korean. This video is very beneficial for beginners like me who are preparing for the hybrid battery replacement business. I sincerely thank the boss for preparing and uploading this video.

[@AdamWaffen]

You’re such a great person, Jack.. not once did you use any nasty words. pulled them from a number of Prius’ s and I swore every time. I found putting a towel across the hatch opening and laying a few boards across the opening helps with getting it out and in.

[@WebbedPete]

A *lot* of audio missing... around minute 12-13 and 16-20+ :(

[@coainc4259]

Excellent video, Jack. Thanks for sharing your expertise. It is going to make the job much easier for my wife.

[@JJ-si4qh]

This is what we were waiting for!

[@cHiNeSeKiDDD]

I can't wait to install these in my Gen 2!!!

[@TheHybridGuy]

Good work!

[@kruduskrud562]

Super tutorialul, multumesc frumos !

[@zazizu2]

Nice work! Thank you

[@waltp3373]

Awesome video. Now would be a good time to clean the cooling fan.

[@utaga318]

Thank you for your guide

[@spintra]

I look forward to receiving my battery pack soon. Thank you for the video.

[@Lilmiket1000]

got it yet?

[@Iamleonbarbero]

Any feedback?

[@spintra]

Got the pack, great performance, the car feels peppier. Installation was a breeze.

[@gregdrmax]

@@spintraany update you can provide?

[@reikisponge]

Thanks, didn't know this exists! I saw other hybrid battery replacement videos and noticed your battery doesn't have the battery exhaust tube on top, and(if I saw it correctly) only one side of the batteries have bus bars.

[@tulipe9523]

Super, ce que je cherche. Merci

[@FrancePhil44]

Lithium batteries are supposed to be lighter and more efficient. Do you see a difference on gas consumption?

[@michael47lamb]

HI Jack! Nice to finally see who you are, we have been chatting by email some last year. I am wondering if you can make up a Li pack for my Gen1 Prius? I am curious. Best wishes. Mike

[@willgo5620]

I just installed my new battery pack. Performance.... awesome 👌. Thanks for the video and the battery pack. I just need to add the sticker on my window.

[@Pertiminous]

I converted my 2009 Prius 3 and I get 66mpg (UK galls) better than my old Ni-MH (which were OK still) they gave me 56mpg, but you could feel their limitations for example, I couldn't drive faster than 22mph in EV mode with the old Ni-HM but with the new Nexcell LifePo4 blades I can drive 30mph but you need your battery to have 60% or more to do this, its how Toyota software determines whether or not you can use EV mode at any given time. Nexcell can go as low as 39% charge before ICE cuts in to start charging and I have had the charge as high as 75% after a long downhill stretch. So this all works brilliantly.

[@JunaidJDM]

@@Pertiminous how did you get one in the UK? I'm looking to do the same for my gen 3 but idk where to get a battery from and the website is out of stock.

[@nivlemwordnwot9264]

@@JunaidJDM You gotta talk to Jack, get on the mailing list for when new stock comes in , then you'll get notified when that happens. Then order from there.

[@Jatsotserah]

Excellent. Hope to get better prices and better results in these kinds of upgrades.

[@quacktony]

ATM, he is the only one selling lithium battery packs. So far so good.

[@JoeyLindsay]

I worry about the longevity of the LiFePO4 batteries especially in super cold conditions as most cell are limited to 0.05C (discharge rate) exceeding this may damage the battery

[@jesusuribe-fk4ys]

Where can I get lithium blades? Do they come pre-balanced?

[@ChrisSmith-jz2wq]

Just completed install tonight. Excited to see how my gen 3 w/ 185k performs.

[@stephenwgreen78]

How did it go? Knock on wood but I'm actually excited for mine to need replacing just to upgrade 😂🤣

[@ChrisSmith-jz2wq]

@@stephenwgreen78 Everything worked first try. Jack has a great video and provided excellent customer service when I had a few minor questions. It's a smooth process if you're methodical about everything. Only hiccup I ran into that was sorta unexpected was middle seat belt bolt had to be removed. However, it was a non-issue. A+ product and I have been ENJOYING driving my gen3 again.

[@stephenwgreen78]

@@ChrisSmith-jz2wq glad to hear it went well. Even more excited...when the time comes

[@davenobleswimmer7235]

Your video was very informative on a high mileage prius over 200000 miles how much additional gas mileage might I get currently I only get about 45 miles to the gallon With 260000 miles

[@toyeadefioye78]

Great video! Is there a busbar attached to the black high voltage cutoff switch?

[@fuckyoutubengoogle2]

How much does this replacement battery cost? Isn't the car computer setup to work with the proprietary NiMH battery? How will the car computer know the charge/discharge rates? Aren't the temperatures parameters different for the the lithium batteries? I know I'm so confused. Someone help me.

[@fluffnpi]

Now I know what I'm buying when my Gen 2 needs a battery upgrade

[@fasasfeh1196]

Thanks for the detailed video. Can we swap Nickle battery with Lithium battery in a 2008 Camry without any fire hazard? do you have a related video describing the same?

[@danielchituaakaji9087]

Great video and very informative but When can we see the upgrading video of Lexus Rx400H or Highlander hybrid 1st or 2nd gen

[@stephenwgreen78]

Website says sold out...are these still in production? Thanks & great video

[@hybridsolutiondiagnostics]

Great video...

[@sirdewd2197]

Lol the only project where having more parts left over than you started with is supposed to happen 🤣 am I right mechs

[@aurangzeb8737]

Did you repaired the batteries or replaced with new one?

[@eugenebaldovsky4674]

Good work! Do you have a solution for lexus ls600h? It also has elements with 14.4v with same capacity.

[@slimfd2607]

Are these packs available in UK

[@mehadihasanmukit7015]

Hello, Thank you for the nice video. Can you please let me know how should I confirm my vehicle generation? I am using Toyota Corolla fielder 2013 wxb hybrid

[@weigangliang7750]

Hi Jack！How much the battery capacity?

[@jeremiahwells8525]

Any plans for a battery pack for the Toyota Prius C ?

[@projecthowto]

Video was very nice . What does exactly swapping the NiMH to Lithium improves ? Besides a bit of weight..

[@Chemike21]

many things potentially. Holds twice the charge, takes less time to charge, meaning city driving will be much better potentially up 10 or more mpg. No harmful gasses emitted like nimh. Less heat issues, more power draw before losing power from the ev bat. Less cells total meaning less chances of the pack going bad. Not to mention its cheaper, if wanting to buy a new nimh.

[@bartabz2199]

With the lithium battery upgrade, around what kind of MPG's does it get or what is the percentage increase?

[@treadgreen7332]

when will they be back in stock?

[@javiloguaixaic]

I'v e got a question; can I directli refurbish a prius 2G/3G battery with the lithium modules from a prius V (prius + here in Europe with lithium batt)?

[@mr.j8297]

Hello Jack, Does the hybrid automotive prolong charger and discharger would work this new battery for reconditioning ? If so how often you need to recondition the battery (may be after warranty period), if not is there any better way to recondition the battery?

[@thomaswaller4340]

When can I expect to see a Lithium Ion upgrade for my 2013 Lexus RX450h?

[@andgate2000]

Id like to do this...what about cooling and software changes??

[@kenschamp6492]

Why would you swap to Lithium batteries ? Are they better ? Are they cheaper ? Do they last longer ? What's the point ?

[@illyakovalevych]

How much will fuel economy increase?

[@reynoldfloresluna8896]

Excelente amigo preg ke herramientas se requieren p un diagnóstico profesional gracias

[@scottxiong5844]

Will the future versions have the ability to attach the ventilation tubes?

[@ericpowers7704]

The vent tubes are only for if the pack is offgassing. The cooling fan and vents are still present.

[@angelnegron3460]

where can you purchase a new battery pack, since no batterys are available!

[@TrueSelf1111]

Excellent demonstration. I love the colored sockets. Why are all sockets colored. Thank you.

[@TrueSelf1111]

I love you explained the extra left over parts. YOU are wise.

[@ericpowers7704]

Many socket manufacturers color code them so that each size is a different color. Easier to find the one you want. For instance, these from Harbor Freight. www.harborfreight.com/38-in-drive-metric-color-coded-deep-socket-set-10-pc-69346.html

[@RhysLewisNZ]

Can this be done for 2017 Aquas ? and does Dr Prius work for Aquas?

[@3073Sean]

New guy question, I thought NMH batteries had a different charger / logic to them from Lithium? I thought lithium require almost software level charger?

[@thereplacementfordisplacement]

Individual banks/blocks of cells have the charge controllers inside to protect the lithium cells. The computer doesn't know the difference nor does it matter. If a Li cell has a problem it will stop charging which will result in the standard triangle warning. It's a slick solution, I hope this is still available when my rebuilt pack dies. Time will tell how reliable it is but the benefits over the alternative to fixing your hybrid battery make it worth it. E-bikes work kind of like this, the charger can be somewhat dumb because the pack contains all the necessary safety and balance electronics. There may turn out to be a recommended periodic battery conditioning cycle because big lithium packs can benefit from a long full charge periodically to make sure all individual cells have a chance to get a full charge.

[@MonarchsOfBrotherhood]

When will you guys restock?

[@baharhadi177]

Hello! I have a question Can we swap Nickle Metal Hydride with Lithium Oil sulphide directly without changing its Relay Box and Battery ECU and AC DC convertor for them?

[@hybridapp7158]

yes, with Nexcell Lithium you don't need to swap any other hardware

[@johnnymack420]

But good vido thanks....

[@johnniehasaproblem]

Any news on future availability?

[@daveevans9440]

Hey Jack, a bit off-topic, but what phone holder is that?

[@hybridapp7158]

just magnetic :)

[@faisalmajid2746]

Can you guys make a kit for the LS600h?

[@mohamadsweed4987]

Thank you, but there is a question, is the cooling process still good, because the cooling hoses have been cancelled, and I hope you will make a video about unloading and charging the cells with the charger and the safe way to unload and charge the cells. Thank you all Sorry my english is not good thanks

[@hybridapp7158]

Hi Mohamad, those are not cooling hose, those are the vent tubes to dissipate the toxic chemical from NiMh battery, and it is no longer needed for Lithium battery. We have video showing how to charge/discharge the lithium pack.

[@mohamadsweed4987]

@@hybridapp7158 I thank you very much for the quick reply One last question, is this lithium safe for the second generation of the Prius? Thank you. Thank you

[@ebray8544]

I swapped my battery with your battery this weekend and am still getting the p0A80 code in dr prius app. I have cleared the codes, disconnected 12v battery and am still getting the error. I followed directions to a t, what’s going on?

[@georgezamfir3536]

I have a 2015 Toyota Prius and all the voltage in the cells is 7.9 V I still have the check hybrid message message what can I do

[@johnnymack420]

I did miss ,you did not cleas the Fan when the battery Was out ?????

[@shotakapanadze]

Ni-Mh type battery bank voltage is 1.2, while Li-ion is 3.7 volts. In the first case, we have 6X1.2=7.2 volts, two such elements are grouped together and the voltage is 14.4 volts, the entire hybrid computer is set up for charging/discharging based on these data. How to replace Li-ion accumulators so directly with Ni-MH, so that no problems arise?? Then the data in the computer should also be changed as to when the car should start charging and when it should end

[@ciprian.costin]

Could you please show us the inside of a blade and tell us what kind of 2170 cells are inside?

[@tanker242]

They're Li-Po not Li-Ion. You can see bags throw the holes where terminal would normally go.

[@ericpowers7704]

@@tanker242 To be correct, they are actually LiFePO4. You can read more about them on the product page of their website projectlithium.com/products/prius-lithium-replacement-pack Some tidbits from the site - stock pack is 80 lbs. Nexcell pack is 35 lbs. - Nexcell lithium pack maintain at an optimal voltage range to trick the computer in running more on electric power. Resulting in better fuel economy. - Nexcell lithium pack delivers 260Amp peak power compared to 100Amp peak power from stock NiMH battery.

[@farnhamsteven3677]

I checked the @t website. They have info Gen II, Gen III, and Gen IV, but nothing on Gen 1. Does anyone know of about the possibility of converting a Gen I (2002) Prius to Lithium? Thanks.

[@kirtishah8261]

Hi Jack i own the Prius 2010 & just crossed 200 k miles without any major repair or replacement except 12 v battery changed at 195k, plugs changed at 120 k. I am very keenly following you. I would request you to create a business model in which you could have hybrid repair franchises in all major cities in US. I am in Birmingham, AL & have no access to a dedicated reliable & fair hybrid repair shop if i need to go for Lithium upgrade or engine swap as you got it done in your Prius. Please let me know if you have any reliable mechanic in Alabama or Georgia. Thanks

[@RSADYNAMICS]

How many miles will it do on electric power only.can the elecric motor last cope with the added strain as a rssult of the additional range and speed

[@hybridapp7158]

Gen2 EV range: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqeZq2dtfbKKbs0

[@hybridapp7158]

Gen3 EV range: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKupl4qVfcaaoJo

[@Upo01]

Electric motors are the same as in prius plug-in. They will last. 😉

[@glennchundrlek5231]

Wouldn't it make more sense to replace the bus bars instead of trying to refurbish them since you're replacing the cells?

[@ericpowers7704]

You can do whatever you prefer. An entirely new wireframe can be purchased from your local Toyota dealership. That way you get new bussbars, plastic, and voltage sensing wires. You can even buy new positive and negative cables and service plug holder.

[@blanchardbien-aime9649]

Where are you guys located????

[@arijunal]

I wish someone would buy me one of these for Christmas, I was going to buy one, but life happened.

[@carlosalbertobryangonzalez9528]

Buenas noches donde puedo comprar esas baterias , y como se llaman

[@liujohn6871]

Does the lithium battery need to be charged before put in?

[@ericpowers7704]

The modules come charged.

[@davidbromley4726]

I live in the uk where can I buy this battery as I have a 2010 Prius gen 3.

[@ericpowers7704]

This is the page where you can buy it on their website. You may want to contact them to see if it is available in the UK projectlithium.com/products/prius-lithium-replacement-pack

[@shanepipkin4041]

can you somehow add few cells?

[@metrork1]

Why can I not find the life span of this installed Lithium battery. If I have to replace again this lithium battery in two years, it is not worth it to me. I understand the current price of $2,000 for my Toyota Prius. Please respond.

[@Aries-cv4wj]

Spot on life span of original battery is about 200 miles or 300 klms or 15 years at 20000 klms driving year and a replacement of a lithium is $13,300 over 14 years not worth it just a ploy for the this company to make money under the guise of an upgrade.

[@deluxe1668]

@@Aries-cv4wj So you mean it is not worth it for this new lithium to be install?

[@Aries-cv4wj]

@@deluxe1668 yes its not worth it in my opinion its not an upgrade its a ploy for companies to make more money from electirc vehciles. Here is a conversation with a person debating the lifespan of the lithium battery and a testimony from a person who changed their original battery to a lithium one and i have included the link so you can read all the dialogue yourself.kzbin.info/www/bejne/m56XXqmGapd6iJo&lc=Ugy7RUbi4LwcO7FTtCN4AaABAg.9RYeGmJWLPT9U0z7kxgVCr Aries 2021 2 months ago (edited) ​ @James Zmuda if the lithium battery lasts longer than then 2 years that's a bonus, however if the data is accurate and the lithium battery cannot sustain the operation of the vehicle after 2 years. It will need to be replaced as recommended by the company promoting there product so your original outlay was $1900 and if the Lithium battery cant sustain the operation of the vehicle after 2 years you will need to pay an additional $1900+ so now your at $3,800.00 When you compare the original batteries lifespan of 200 miles or 321,000 klms to the unlimited lithium batteries lifespan theirs no comparison because the lithium battery will need to be changed every 2 years if it cant sustain the operation of the vehicle at $1900+ a pop. A vehicle that traveled 20,000klms a year on a original battery divided into 321,000 klms is approximately 16 potential years. But if you drove 40,000 klms over 2 years on a lithium battery and it needed to be replaced you have to outlay another $1900+ every 2 years which would be 8 replacements over 16 years if the battery didn't last longer then 2 years. Which is an additional $13,300.00+ on top of the $1900 for the first "upgrade" which is $15,200 plus at least $500 labour charge to change the battery if you cant do it your self so thats 500 x 8 changes which is $4000 not including the lithuim battery and labour increase every 2 years so now you are at minimum of $19,200. The original battery is more than adequate to operate the vehicle and the the additional $19.200 could have stayed in your pocket and went towards other expenses for the family or another car. So what is the upgrade advantage of a lithium battery because your not saving money and if you say performance what additional performance are you getting that justifies paying $1200 extra every year for the next 16 years? Only the companies selling this product to consumers as an upgrade and are the ones who are benefiting and making money from this so called improvement. You don't have to agree with my opinion, but the facts above are logic and common sense. Hasan 1 month ago (edited) You right 👍🏻 , Im make this upgrade to my my prius Gen 2 at local company thought that will make Longer service life, first feeling after installation, l feel car more powerful and more economic, but after 2 years when warranty expires the red triangle 🔺 appears 😩, HV battery become weak and must replace, the company they did not take any action because the warranty expired 3 months ago😤. They knew exactly operational life, Now I regret !! that the original battery can be repaired by replacing the weak units. The link is there so you can read the dialouge.

[@mohamadadela4935]

ممكن شحنها الى الاردن واكون الوكيل لها وكم التكلفه ارجو الرد

[@ffnocc]

The battery is 2k plus can you atleast add captions to the part missing audio?

[@JessePike5]

i got a 2016 with NiMh, can i upgrade to lithium?

[@whowantstoknow8492]

yes

[@TheMyVertex]

Can you charge this product? Be very nice

[@leewilloughby3373]

The audio stops as you start to connect the power cables, it isn't clear how the vinegar cleaned connectors are used, or how the cells are linked 😕

[@ng.giruwagamage3167]

Where can we bye

[@Lilmiket1000]

Why did the warranty plummet on the website? I thought it was over 5yrs now it's only 2.

[@hybridapp7158]

Hi Lakario, it was never 5 years, I can BS and give lifetime warranty like other refurbish business but everyone knows it is a scam.

[@aa-fi6bt]

WHAT ABOUT CLEANING THE BLOWER ALSO JUST AS IMPORTANT (NICE VIDEO OTHERWISE)

[@SouthFlaDiver]

25:29 why does the green bars fluctuate so much ? Should it be more stable with lithium?

[@ericpowers7704]

The scale for the Dr Prius app constantly adjusts. Look more closely and you'll see how close in voltage they are.

[@edlee338]

Where can I buy this cells please?

[@ericpowers7704]

They have a website. Nexpower. Nexcell. projectlithium.com/products/prius-lithium-replacement-pack

[@carlosgomez3886]

Site says sold out. When will more be available?

[@thatsoon72]

You have to get on the email list to know when they are available. Be ready to buy and check emails everyday. As soon as it was available I purchased it. It was sold out the next day. You have to be fast

[@RSADYNAMICS]

I can't see the price on the website how much is the lithium pack

[@hybridapp7158]

all the information can be found on our site projectlithium.com/products/prius-lithium-replacement-pack

[@TheJahangirkhattak]

Desperately need one in Pakistan 🇵🇰

[@noeherrera9362]

Hold on I have so many questions . 😮

[@shanepipkin4041]

has anyone made a 2170 cell pack?

[@johnnymack420]

Your sound was out hafe way through the vido ????

[@deluxe1668]

There is no sound from 10:49 to 12:37, again from 15:54 to 18:14 , again from 18:32 to 20:40 and from 28:32 to 28:57 !!!

[@iday82]

Where is the bms?

[@lavatrip9344]

I assume they're relying on the Prius battery monitor too disconnect the battery if there's trouble. They probably built in top balancing resistors on each cell that activate at the right time. I think with so many cells in series unmonitored there could be trouble in many many years but who knows maybe they also put in BMS in each blade to disconnect the blade if anything goes out of spec.

[@CCG0D]

Without seeing inside of each module (blade/plate as he called it), my guess is each module had its own internal wire fuses and bms inside. If 21700 cells were used, its norminal voltage would be 3.7v; so to make up the same voltage as the old pair of module NiMH; which is 14.2volt give or take=> there must be a series connection inside of each module consists of 4 cells 21700 in series. Given the capacity of the old one, which was around 6300mah, my guess is that those 4 cells in series are paring up with at least 2 more just like it in parallel. So without looking inside each blade, assuming 21700 cells were used (most likely are 18650s), the configuration is 3p(parallel)4s(series) with bms inside and maybe small 1-2amp wire fuses between each connection. And all of that is what is inside of only 1 blade. He used 14 blades i think (didnt count), the same amount of the old pairs and voltage (old one has 28 blades, which equates to 14 pairs and each pair is 14.2 volts). Because of this, the original bms from prius recognizes it as normal and charges the whole pack the sam as the old one. Of course, I can be a complete idiot that do not know any better and am wrong about everything. But that how i think why there is no visible bms(es) outside for the new pack because each blade will accept 14.2 volts in and the bms inside will balance charge the 4 cells of 21700 inside in series (times 2 or 3 in parallel).

[@mikekurt1364]

The sound kept going in and out. I could see you talking but the sound didn’t come thru. After a while it came back for a while and then was lost again.

[@Kevin-bk3jx]

Since the Prius is designed to work with stable NiMh battery technology, isn't it a fire hazard to swap out the NiMh to Lithium because the vehicle's computer is programed to charge/discharge NiMh and not Lithium ??

[@hybridapp7158]

Hi Kevin, there are many different types of lithium and the one catch fire is for your cell phone or EV cars that has higher density, feel free to check out or other safety testing videos.

[@21boxhead]

HE DIDN'T CHANGE OUT OR CLEAN THE CORRODED BUS BARS AND WHY WOULD YOU REPLACE BATTERY WITH A FIRE HAZARD BATTERY?

[@rickchumsae7974]

He mentioned cleaning the bus bars with ammonia but did not show it in the video. My guess is he did immerse the bus bars.

[@21boxhead]

@@rickchumsae7974 DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT I STILL SEE IT WHEN HE PUT IT BACK IN

[@deluxe1668]

Lithium-ion batteries, whether they are used in cars or electronic devices, can catch fire if they have been improperly manufactured or damaged, or if the software that operates the battery is not designed correctly.

[@21boxhead]

@@deluxe1668 YEAH WOULD YOU TRUST THIS GUY SELLING MADE IN CHINA BATTERIES FOR YOUR PRIUS?

[@merouby]

You mean "downgrade" NIMH is proven reliable for the life of the car unlike Lithium

[@gregdrmax]

Bunch of NO audio 10:49 - 12:36 then 15:03 - 20:39. (and more) Hopefully this isn't the installation video for ProjectLithium. A lot of $'s to spend on battery pack with missing audio. Sorta stinks.