Hydra Stun-lock solo (

build：edsy.org/s/vkuQMRA
With the advent of the stabilizer, it is now possible to mount 6 shards.
So that means I can kill the Hydra faster, right?
シャードが6基。6基だ。
ハイドラに明日など無い！

[@deekithgames9975]

That's pretty dope dude

[@somedude4805]

Daaaaamn. Solid kill, CMDR.

[@guidofawkes6916]

Really strange how the hydra lost the ability to manoeuvre. He just let you keep shooting

[@nagasan4059]

The tactic called stun lock is to induce such. The stunlock tactic itself has been around for several years.

[@immrd]

Been around forever

[@pawn4]

You use silent running or keep the temperature below 20% without flying below 500m away from the thargoid

[@MuQuuu]

良くぞ私の記録を倒した！ おめでとう！

[@NuclearFalcon146]

DAMN! IF you can do this consistently that credit/hr would be NUTS! You are in the millions of credits/MINUTE on this run. You are printing money here!

[@nagasan4059]

Unfortunately, unlike what it looks like, this is not the best way to make money as it is very difficult, requires staying focused, and requires premium ammo.

[@247elite]

badass

[@nuts_mann]

Wow, you make it look so easy. Trying it at the moment, but always die

[@nagasan4059]

Success always looks easy, because there is no scene of failure. I failed many times before this video, of course. Keep practicing. If you know how to lose, you can never lose.

[@draconusspiritus1037]

Just my 2 cents. 4x module reinforcement does work and the protection does stack. But the protection percentage suffers a severe drop beyond the 3rd package (diminishing returns). That 4th MRP probably only adds about 1% to the protection. As well, my experience with placing a module reinforcement package in a military only slot has been ineffective. Beyond that, thank you very much. As it gives me hope of eventually getting successful kills against Thargoids larger than Cyclops. Is there some place I can get more information on this Stun Lock system you use?

[@nagasan4059]

Yes, stacking many module reinforcement does little to improve defense. However, if you receive a lot of module damage like this battle, it is different. Hydra's Swarm has a lot of missiles so that cause HUGE module damages. 2 module reinforcements quickly break and become useless. Not enough. (In fact, in this video, one MRP is completely broken and one is partially broken at 3:30, even though it was repaired by AFMU. It took four to keep more than two MRPs working.) Stun-locking is a chain of attacks that destroys the heart while maintaining a mechanism called the sleep phase. Learning about the sleep phase is essential to performing stunlock. AXI Wiki is usefull for this. wiki.antixenoinitiative.com/en/mechanic-bypass Unfortunately, I don't know where Stanrock is explained. I learned about this tactic from my friend... However, since it only maintains the sleep phase and attacks, the theory of stunlock is not difficult if you understand the sleep phase. You should keep in mind that there are two ways to maintain the sleep phase while attacking, using a heatsink like I did, or using silent running. Using heatsink makes it difficult to manage heat for maintain the sleep phase, making it difficult to use high-heat weapons. On the other hand, Silent running doesn't have that problem, but of cause modules will be damaged by heat.

[@Neo-vz8nh]

No diminishing return. Every MRP gives you 2.5x more effective module life. So 2 mean 6.25x, 3 mean 15x, 4 means 37x for internal. For external modules it is only 30%, damage reducion which is around 1.4x life for 1, 2x for 2, 2.8x for 3, and so on. But the MRP hitpoint itself is linear, so 2 MRP obviously has 2 more health. But yes, there is no point in 37x internal life, because you won't lose them until MRP last anyway, so 2 is usually enough with AFMU. However for external modules a 3rd or even 4th can make a difference.

[@Neo-vz8nh]

@@nagasan4059 i may suggest swaping one 4D MRP to 4A AFMU, and the 1A AFMU to 1D MRP. The reason is that AFMU repairs MRP 10 times more effectively, so a 4A AFMU gives 1512 integrity to MRPs, while a 4D MRP itself has only 235 integrity. And of course (as you may know) AFMU repairs MRP during mid combat without any drawback.

[@draconusspiritus1037]

@@Neo-vz8nh Yes diminishing returns. 1 MRP gives 60% protection. Meaning that 60% of the damage that would have been applied to whatever module or modules, 60% of it is diverted to the MRP. Adding a second MRP increases the percentage to just 84%. As MRP's are used up or disabled, the protection percentage goes down. Not a major concern usually for PvE or PvP. As most encounters won't last long enough to disable even one MRP. Having 3 MRP's all but guarantees your hull will probably fail before your canopy will blow out. 3x MRP's provides 94% protection. 4x gives 97% protection. 99% for 5. 100% at 6. In AX, Thargoids will actively target Drives, FSD, and PP. Often in that order. It's kind of like relying on SCB's and thinking you have massive shield strength because Coriolis counts SCB's when calculating shield health. But once your shields go down, all those SCB's are worthless. Find the balance that works best for you

[@Neo-vz8nh]

@@draconusspiritus1037 But still not understand your points. 100% protection means full immunity, so your internal modules won't take damage. From this point it does not really matter if we count with 99% or 95% damage reduction, altough the former has 5x times many health, both can be considered immune. But the MRP will take damage, and a 4D has 235, 5D has 350 integrity, which is not that many if you recieve massive module damage. 2x 4D MRP will be still just 470. So adding extra MRP can make a difference. Obviously, it is a balance dance about what you need better, hull or integrity. But the main problems are external modules which only recieve 30% damage reduction, so the modules still gets 70% damage. 49% with 2, 34% with 3, 24% with 4. 76% damage reduction still not that many, especially if we consider that C2 mod Shard has an integrity of 42. To be honest this is the sole reason why hull tank builds are inferior to shield tank builds in PvP, or even in PvE sometimes, because missiles (especially the Packhound) eats away external modules. And the Thargons behave very similarly.

[@wolfang4212]

How are your fire groups set up there?

[@ixxilus3684]

I got really nervous at the end when youre down at 14% hull and almost all your cannons malfunctioned.

[@samgames2096]

Some possible suggestions: Try to use guardian module reinforcement. More integrity per module. Thermal vent beams maybe, but I believe the frag cannon will do more thermal DPS given you're face tanking. But use all modified shards, I don't see the point of having class 3 standard shards. Other than that, amazing job.

[@nagasan4059]

It's a good point, I'm glad you noticed it. There is a reason why I use 2 class 3 standard shards. Because I also considered using all 6 modified ones, but that would consume too much WEP (meaning low damage par energy) and low shield damage. Of course, there is also the factor of simply being hot. I think it's possible to use 6 modshards by using 2 or more heatsinks at the same time (heatsink have a WEP recovery effect), but then there are another problem: not enough heatsinks for 5 minutes battle. So, using only one heatsink in same time, firepower to the shield, DPE, heat, and firepower to light up the first heart in first magazine... As a result of trying to meet all these requirements, I have select 4modshards and 2standard shards. There aren't many reasons why you didn't use Guardian MRP. I personally don't like that it can't be turned off. That's the only reason. (I'm using translator, so sorry if my English is wrong)

[@samgames2096]

@@nagasan4059 is all good. But, yeah, I run 4 Modded plasmas and the distro is screaming every time. But hey, to each their own with doing these kinds of builds.

[@samgames2096]

@@nagasan4059 another solution, albeit I didn't see if you had it, is using the Sirius pre-engineered heatsinks have absurd capacity at the cost of reload. And hey, you don't need a xeno scanner if you can identify visually and focus the heart manually for another heatsink.

[@nagasan4059]

@@samgames2096 This video already has 7 Sirius heatsinks. Of course I could have used 8, but for my tactics, 7 would have been enough, so I added a Xeno scanner (wouldn't this look better as a video? - that's the reason). There are only 2 heatsinks left at the end of the video, so even if I had 8 Sirius heatsinks, it wouldn't have been enough to use double heatsinks tactics. Mod Plasma Charger, that's a nice weapon too, great for hunting scouts, high power, not hot. So good for AXCZ. As you know, DPE is very low so it's not the best for stunlock. Anyway, it's fun to think about the possibilities of various builds.

[@Neo-vz8nh]

I use 4 C3 basic shard with 2 C2 mod shard. It is still has good dps while heat sink not even neccessary, because it wont deplete the WEP capacitor. It is harder to use for sure, but also punish you less. It can kill Medusa, one shot Cyclops. Never tried Hydra though.

[@FrogVoid1]

How does this work? Is it just facetanking while laying into it?

[@nagasan4059]

This is a tactic called stunlock, and simply explained, after destroying a heart, it stops moving for about 30 seconds by not being detected, and destroys the next heart during this time to create a chain. It looks easy, but it's actually not as easy as it looks. The Hydra is very robust, to the point where it was unworkable before the arrival of Stabilizers, so of course any delay in operation will cause this tactic to fall apart.

[@kessilrun6754]

Out-tanked a Hydra, just barely. This is like back in the day, when battles were fought faced off against one another, while standing out in a middle of a field LOL Nobody trying to evade--you just stand there and take one for the team lol

[@tf14101]

Whats the reason for the frag cannon?

[@_chirp_6108]

Likely ran out of experimental hardpoint slots on the size 1s & frag cannons are the highest DPS default weapon

[@TomCatT_]

Ah, good. War crimes. I do enough of that in a six shard Chally. Building a Shotgun’Aconda will get me into too much trouble. 😂

[@frankdrebin7285]

Are you using basic ammo or premium?

[@nagasan4059]

Weapons and AFMU are premium ammo. Shown at 1:47. Heatsinks is basic ammo.

[@frankdrebin7285]

@@nagasan4059 thanks! I myself am building a conda now, and I thought it was a "must know" thing...😁 o7

[@blazerbuddy6745]

Mind if I ask for your discord for some questions?

[@nagasan4059]

Okay, if there's anything you want to ask, let me know. (However, I'm not an English speaker, so please use translator-friendly English, no abbreviations.) I participate in AXI's Discord, so if you search there, you should be able to send me a direct message. CMDR nagasan0 is me.

[@fryaduck]

@@nagasan4059 Do you have a ship build link? 造船リンクはありますか Perhaps written in the description of the video? 動画の説明欄に書いてあるかもしれません Sorry for google translate, グーグル翻訳すいません

[@nagasan4059]

@@fryaduck EDSY link: edsy.org/s/vkuQMRA

[@rrr39video]

Почему Гидра висит на одном месте и не перемещается?

[@nagasan4059]

uhh... I'm not speaker of your language so I wright in english. As a test, activate Silent Running after destroying Solo Cyclops Hearts (after the 2nd one) and open a distance of 700m or more. It should stop moving for about 30 seconds. The habit of stopping movement is called the sleep phase. The tactic of chaining sleep phases is called Stunlock. This is why Hydra stopped moving.

[@rrr39video]

@@nagasan4059 спасибо. Буду пробовать.

[@shalev3368]

300m/hour at least

[@GoFasterHD]

I doubt FD will let this last long. Pew Pew Pew Pew For all those that worked hard to solo kill anything more than a cyclops this is pitiful.

[@joepiscapo1879]

people have been instagibbing cyclops for years... where the hell have you been? And killing this hydra wasnt exactly easy

[@GoFasterHD]

@@joepiscapo1879 i didn't say anything about instagibbing. Pew Pew Pew Pew

[@coolingfan]

I know what you feel. but this is right choice to FDEV before there are no more people to play

[@samplehandle]

yeah thats an L for goids congrats on the kill, but i think stabilizer allowing guardian weps was a mistake xd very impressive nonetheless

[@stroyz]

e

[@DghostNL]

so true, total mistake and ruined ax combat completly by taking away the challenge

[@cmdrHeliaxx]

@@DghostNL well, be careful what you wish for I guess

[@joepiscapo1879]

@@DghostNL ok wiseguy, lets see your video soloing a hydra like he did in this video. They are still very hard to kill, he barely survived this fight and had to use premium ammo and was in no condition to take on another fight until docking for repairs. One and done. You make it sound like the stabalizer made killing high level goids easy now, pfft. Lets see you try it

[@mehmetuzun6271]

İt's just a bug. He is lucky he found a stationary hdyra. Normally all the hydras starts blasting cannons and lightning. your hall can't stand. As I said, It is just a luck that he found a bug on Hydra.

[@nagasan4059]

Lucky? This is a video of the Stunlock tactic, a famous tactic used in AX speedruns...what are you talking about?

[@novos356]

wheres the fun in doing this strat, ur basically just shooting at a giant target until it dies

[@blazerbuddy6745]

sPEEDRUNNING

[@OOSpartan]

Meh.. it used to require an effort-skill to kill a hydra

[@xboxisgay23]

how are you able to stun lock it?

[@nagasan4059]

How…? How...hmm...as you can see in this video. When the 2nd heart is destroyed, then keep a distance of 700m or more and keep the temperature under 15 %(or Silent Running). Destroy the next. Repeat. That's all.

[@xboxisgay23]

@@nagasan4059 Im very new to AX combat so i dont really understand some things just yet but im trying to learn, as a beginner that already has a fully engineered 6 shard conda would u recommend trying this or just going the normal route with gauss cannons? (edit) i saw that it requires premium ammo so that might be problematic for me lmao.

[@nagasan4059]

@@xboxisgay23 To be honest, I think the Gauss Cannon is an ‘old weapon’ in these days. It’s up to you whether you try Stunlock or not, but I don’t think it’s a mistake to use mod shards. Mod shards are also useful in general tactics like Cold Orbit. If you're looking for a large-scale battle such as Open's AXCZ, you'll want to learn other tactics than the Stunlock tactic. Because there are many times can't do stunlock due to NPCs, lag, and other players' actions. Well, Stunlock may look simple, but it’s actually more complicated than it looks. If it were easy, there should be more videos of people soloing Hydra in 5 minutes, right? That’s what shows the difficulty. What is important in Stunlock is understanding the behavior and mechanics of Thargoids. Learning Stunlock helps you understand AX. Conversely, if you don’t understand the mechanics, you can’t do Stunlock. Now, to understand the mechanics, AXIWiki is useful. To learn how Stunlock works (why Hydra doesn’t counterattack), it’s a good idea to learn about the sleep phase. wiki.antixenoinitiative.com/en/mechanic-bypass Also, there is information about the behavior after destroyed the heart here. wiki.antixenoinitiative.com/en/combat-speedrunning Same tactics can be used to take down Medusa or below when using basic ammo.