Structure Fire 2011-05-12

Mutual Aid with White Springs Fire Association

[@sunstarfire]

Oh and I forgot.... thanks for not zooming and panning. That's an excellent vid!!

[@FrozenEcho31]

Nice capture of the fire, excellent training material. Nice knockdown White Springs, roughly 3 minutes upon arrival. Everybody else on scene seemed very calm and collected, outstanding job.

[@HydrantHose]

I would like to thank the people that commented with constructive remarks. Issues such as PPE have been an ongoing problem and it is a culture we are trying to change. I would challenge some commenters to post raw unedited video not set to the theme of rescue me so that we all may judge you as you have judged us. Keep in mind that you are only seeing one side of the structure from one angle and you are hearing none of the fire ground radio traffic as you watch this. Stay Safe

[@ctfirebattchief]

Well I have to say, residents closest to the fire were evacuated quickly by personnel arriving on scene in their private vehicles. Others on the B side were being moved out as well. Not much else you can do till your rigs arrive. Truck co was assigned along with laddering duties. Engine pulled around to C side and attacked from unburned side. engine crew had water pounding fire down within 2 minutes of arriving. Windows laddered quickly. yeah that guy should not have had shorts on! Good work!!

[@ENG13INELT]

The confusion issue is going to happen on any fire, no fire is going to go text book. Just got to practice and know your roll. The first arriving FF's not assigned to a piece started a door to door and began to ensure occupant safety while the first truck and engine arrived for fire attack. The crews got on it quick, knocked it down, and closed it up prior to it self venting through the roof and extending. I'd say hell of a job!

[@upstatefire]

Excellent coverage of this fire event. Thanks for the video!

[@N8764E]

Wow. Water on the fire within 5 minutes of the first response. For a volunteer or paid on call department, that's pretty slick. Nice work!

[@HydrantHose]

You are looking at the front of the building, All personnel and apparatus you see is actually the mutual aid response out of the city of geneva. The fire is in the town of geneva. No doubt there are things we could have done better but you can really tell by the comments who has a clue and who just graduated firefighter I. Thanks for the comments and stay safe.

[@FireCaptE9]

Did I read that this was a volunteer dept?? Wow, good job ! I know a few career depts that could take lessons from this....impressive ground ladder work. great looking turnout of personnel. Only thing I would recommend is drilling a little more with getting the aerial jacked up..appeared like possibly a little unfamiliarity with procedures.. overall, great job! (BTW - 31 yrs career)

[@PoppaBlue59]

@HydrantHose I have been doing this job for 25 years, and I will not "throw stones" or post nasty remarks, unless it is a reply to some know -it- all. I would hate to see video of some of the fires I have fought. We would be ripped to pieces by some of the folks on here. God Bless you guys, and keep safe out there. No two fires are the same, but they can all get you. Everyone goes home, every time. L-3885.

[@alco424]

@25mfd Took way too long for the engine to get into operation? The engine proceeded to the other side of the building, out of view. So how could you tell how long it took them to setup and become operational? Knockdown in around 4 minutes from arrival on scene is pretty damn good. I think these folks should be congratulated.

[@ntfd125]

@synicle0723 Now to this video. One, Multifamily dwelling means possibly multiple resues and you need to get it done fast utilizing the stick. Two, elevated masterstream. Read the smoke conditions. They have fire running the entire right side of the cockloft so when it takes off the the truck can make a quick knock by being in the right spot. The engine was on scene and stretching the line.

[@flairball]

I think they did a good job. They turned out in numbers, made an aggressive interior attack, and knocked the fire down. Could things have been done better? Sure, but show me a fire ground where everything went perfect. Throwing ladders without PPE? I don't see much of a problem there. It's exterior work. There was a time when we wore long coats, and pull up boots, or just work boots. I never had any trouble then and wish I still could wear that gear.

[@emailman0909]

Good attack and quick hit, only problem I see is a lack of organization, but as long as the fire gets put out and nobody gets hurt, it's all good.

[@waldmeister1980]

Can anyone explain me the problem from these guys, talking bad about the firefighters and the way they do their job??? Watch the video again, and have an eye one the timeline! First engine arrives on scene round about 3:50 and less than 3 minutes later, they got the fire under their control!!! So again! Where is the reason to blame the buddys? Or do you only have no clou about firefighting? Greets from a proud german firefighter! You did an excellent job guys!

[@bluefirebear]

the first in hose team made great time getting up there and getting good knock down. a great save!

[@25mfd]

@marcelrotgans Most standard engines have a 500 tank. But whether you use the tank water or hookup to a hydrant depends on your order of arrival. Usually, the FIRST engine will use his 500 gallon tank water & the SECOND engine will hook up to the first engine & then hook up to a hydrant. This way you have a constant water supply & adequate pressure for a proper stream flow at the nozzle.

[@covewatcher]

@hollywoodsix You also need to consider the department. If it is a career dept then RIT or FAST is likely a truck on the first alarm. If volunteer, then RIT or FAST may be a mutual aid dept. What most people who post on here, whether firefighters or not often dismiss or fail to consider is the fact that not everyone does things the same way. Sure we would all like to operate in the "perfect world" environment, but that is completely unrealistic. I have been both, and it is difficult

[@HydrantHose]

Apparatus are operated by career firefighters, everyone else is volunteer. Volunteers respond in POV's. First apparatus on scene was the engine that pulled through and responded to the rear for a report of a person trapped on a balcony. Second Apparatus was the Quint. The screaming at the beginning was because residents were trying to re-enter the building because of the person that was on the balcony. The guy with no shoes on is fully geared throwing ladders minutes later. Shorts? Reprimanded!

[@brianjacobi]

Excellent video, really shows that without water on it, a fire can brew up very quick. My only question is, who were the early firefighters on the scene, seemingly with BA sets, but no hose line. If they had had even a small line, they could have done a lot of good. Great to see the men hitting the fire internally at 6.23mins a great knock down. Well done. Take care guys. Brian Jacobi. Former NZ Firefighter.

[@StrongIsland171]

nice bucket truck. very nice rigs and very nice work.. job well done

[@fireusaf60]

I don't care if your RIT team is ten seconds or ten minutes away...... The rapid deployment of a handline is the bread and butter of firefighting operations. Want to make the scene safe as fast as possible? Put out the fire!! Theres a difference between being safety conscious and forgetting your a firefighter all together.

[@ChiefChuck100]

I've worked many fires in 25+ years Some people think water magicaly apears at the end of the hose and that is like step 25 of when we get there get real people. Setup takes time but hurring will get firefighters hurt or killed. Walk and get control is what needs to be happening. These Firefightere got evacuation and blackout in 7 min not bad. The mayhem in the begining is about usual for any fire. The Captian and Lt. in the begining at the far door should be giving orders and taking charge. .

[@tillamookice]

AWESOME VIDEO, sad for the homeowners but this shows a great team effort and response time in this video. Thank you for the upload

[@MrTyler1022]

Good stop, Engine!

[@tjfreak]

It's just a symptom of the instant everything,false sense of security,magic pill,spoiled,armchaired,unrealistic society we live in,this is straight up reality ! I'm absolutely stunned at how fast the fires spread..I've always thought to myself I could catch it & contain it in early stages, watching many of these fire vids changed my thinking on that.I think people don't want to see reality incase it comes their way some day.

[@bioboardscofounder]

@ATFDFF i know right? as soon as we get on scene here at Huguley FD we size up the scene and determine where to go in at if the structure isn't full involved then we proceed inside whether we have a RIT team there or not.

[@Dravira]

@simplesimon333 I would have to agree 100% with you these wannabe's have no idea what they are talking about and if they are real firefighters they need to go back to fire school or go out and see the real world. If your here commenting and you have no idea what volunteers go through and how things are run with volunteers then don't comment because you have no room to talk!!

[@johnnykATL]

Smooth is Fast. That should be the primary principal on ANY Emergency scene. Fast without Smooth equals death or injury. Smooth is automatically Fast. Stay safe.

[@fmartinjr]

@Markallships Look carefully before you comment.That Tower is a "Quint"!

[@Newarkfireman]

Good job guys . See ya this summer for the parade

[@junybombero]

I like the first responding firetrucks videos.

[@covewatcher]

@hollywoodsix Please allow me to interject - your basis is partially valid. However, you may not be considering risk assessment. If your RIT or FAST team is not present, but people are trapped, command may determine entry is the priority within given parameters. But to your point, our dept's theory was you don't trade firefighters for property. Therefore, it is not a hard and fast rule written in stone that RIT or FAST has to be on scene prior to entry, but it is probably more common today.

[@MattFFEMT]

@ATFDFF It's called IRIT. Two in, two out. Ideally (emphasis on ideally), you want to at least have two out for initial RIT.

[@detroitfirefighter]

One firefighter packed-out (before apparatus showed). Not enough personnel to make a 3rd floor rescue/evac. However, given the circumstances at the time, I would have had 3 to 4 firefighters make the 2nd floor for evac, then, to 1st floor, provided no smoke/fire present, and enough personnel are available prior to water showing up. Other than that, I agree with your observations. What you see in the 1st 3 minutes, is normal, when firefighters show up before the water.

[@jareths1976]

@oxfd15 Around here that is correct. Geneva FD has a few paid drivers, but for the most part, we are all volunteers around here.

[@sunstarfire]

Wow. It's amazing and terrifying to see how fast the "little smoke from the window" becomes fire raging outta there and the roof smoking. There is no need to blame anyone, as this usually happens (like "GET SOME FUCKING WATER ON THE FIRE"). These men and women risk their lives, and they did an awesome job. It just shows here how freakishly fast a fire grows.

[@higgins016]

great job!! obviously a multi-residential, but im gonna stereotype here...by lookin at some of the residents, was this a retirement complex? or was it just regular appartments??....anyhow great video, great job...quick interior attack!!! stay safe!!!

[@thehappeningoftomorr]

Wow they got there pretty fast some of my neighbors are volunteer so if theres a fire in a house near by they speed off to the site and help in any way possible

[@covewatcher]

@hollywoodsix in before what is now termed RIT or FAST was on scene. The determination has to be made by the OSC or IC. That is why command is so important and not to be taken lightly. The person making that decision has to take in to account all of those factors, and rather quickly I might add. This brings it back full circle to my original statement. You might be omitting risk assessment from your thinking.

[@MrLadder3]

Great knockdown!! good job. I know many fire depts that would have lost that building.

[@ccfd90765]

good rockin fire, didn't go to far. good job all in all! looks like a bit of extension to attic but all in all good job!

[@efd996mk]

I think this is a great stop.

[@pcfd20]

@simplesimon333 Well as a firefighter with enough years under my belt.. I felt they where very unprofessional at the start of this video... very.. However once the rig showed up their performance shocked me, not what i was expecting from viewing the first part. outstanding job with knock down guys! Don't take what i say wrong, I'm only giving my thoughts on a short video i watched. Stay safe! P.S; I hate POV crap, but that's just me.

[@TaraOBrien]

I would have to agree with Capt545. Nice aggresive fire attack and nice ladder placement for possible quick egress. The only thing i can say that could be worked on is at the beginning of the incident...calm down and assign an I.C. so that way everything goes smoother and there isn't so much chaos. Other than that great job and way to keep everyone safe.

[@jareths1976]

Great stop by Geneva FD!

[@FireCaptE9]

"No interior attack" ??? what video did you watch? certainly not this one..Since you obviously don't know how to tell WHEN the interior attack was going on--please don't embarass yourself by questioning REAL firefighters

[@ATFDFF]

@littleaaron2008 you are honestly telling me you don't make entry until you have a RIT team standing by and in place? wow, must save a lotta concrete doing that.

[@neverland1984]

Love the mountie bunker gear.

[@storrisw300]

Great job guys and gals! =]

[@sfdff39]

@Markallships Why would you need that on this fire? Its an easy interior attack and these guys did a good job on it. And that truck actually is a quint. Its has a pump.

[@covewatcher]

@hollywoodsix to pronounce judgment or offer criticism without knowing what any of these fire depts have for resources, protocols, manpower etc. Example - if volunteer, and your plan calls for RIT to be the first engine on a mutual aid assignment from a town 6 miles away, but you can save considerable damage with a quick interior attack, you are not going to stand around for 20 minutes or more waiting for that engine to arrive. When I was a Capt (before I got old :-)) I would have sent guys

[@Alro451]

I remember this fire lotta Genva guys took some shit for swearing at the people but its the heat of the moment youve got fire rolling out people shoulda been out when they heard the alarms going off

[@waldmeister1980]

@ChiefChuck100 You're so damn right man! Read this man's comment before anyone starts to bla bla! He knows what he's talking about!

[@BlazingPuppies]

Great footage! Is there a part 2?

[@mcivor1]

Great Job By everyone involed at the scene.

[@gfgtx]

seems like to me they wud have got that engine to go ahead and get a line the front part of the building instead of putting a ladder truck righ there.

[@9caplad]

all of that panic for a room and content fire .

[@oxfd15]

Im guessin alot of your firefighters keep there fire gear in there car? Seemed like there were a lot of firefighters there before the trucks arrived

[@nemo7504]

Why didnt the ladder pull a little farther passed the fire??????

[@redbull8382]

For being Vollies I thought they did a good job making sure people were out,and they did knock the fire down fast

[@jacobeast1]

Little confused about the building layout. Is this the rear of the firebuilding we're looking at with the door in view leading to an adjacent unit or is that the main entry? I'm wondering why the truck pulled into the rear.

[@OccasionalSnow]

@VFVFCo68 u can start helping with extraction, scene size up thing like that every firefighter that been in the business for along time should be able to take command and when the commanding officer gets the report to him and say hey residencer evauatedlook for thing like the roof u c how the roof is somking up top u have extension if u have an officer there he can cal a second alarm that way when command gets there he has les things to worry bout with the 100 other things he needs to do

[@wimtim12]

Who are the Guys in the Red Jackets??? why they come with private Cars? sorry but im a german firefighter ;)

[@borisdonkey]

just seems like organised chaos? lot of walking around? glad we do it differently

[@martintheman16]

Only thing to say right away is WOW. May I ask, where this is at? A fire fighter in shorts, he must have been doing something else and got called in. Great catch and I hope no one was hurt

[@25mfd]

@jasonwilliams15089 Took way too long for the ENGINE to get into operation.

[@MeanderingMartins]

Nice Job Guys.

[@djsmexyy]

do people have to scream to people to tell them to get out of the building, If you see smoke in your building get out, not science.

[@certeric1]

@ATFDFF That might be the protocall for that department

[@nsmedic393]

nice stop guys!!

[@PLUCK2112]

WELL THE ENGEN COMPANY DID A GREAT JOB THATS FOR SHURE. WHAT THE TRUCK COMPANY WAS DOING I'M NOT SHURE.

[@occdude01]

looks like either fully involved fire structurally, or lots of synthetics burning (plastics, ect)

[@jareths1976]

@edgewater100 The Red Turnouts are Captains, and responsible for directing the fire ground.

[@pcfd20]

@ATFDFF We tried this wait until RIT was in place crap.. If you like seating at the front door for a long time it works great! We or all trained as RIT now and any firefighter on scene can be activated as RIT if needed. Drop a RIT kit by the front and back door and to hell with waiting on staging. but that's just us i guess..

[@VFVFCo68]

And this is why my company doesn't let members respond direct...because before any apparatus arrive...you have a bunch of guys walking around outside doing nothing.

[@hollywoodsix]

@ATFDFF @100edgewater wow its aggressive firefighters like that who go charging into a building that ends up another statistic on the fallen firefighter's list, everyone wants to be the hero but any firefighter whose been around and knows their stuff will tell you that shit goes wrong and the RIT team you didnt wait for might be your only way of getting out alive it doesn't do anybody any good if you're trying to help them and you get in a situation where you can't help yourself

[@bamjr78]

Good stop!

[@adambrink20]

a lot of yelling...was there command?

[@RayFireFighter]

Great Job By All Nice K/D

[@natebaby55man]

@dduck7734 I would also like to say they did a great job once the trucks got in place and the guy in the shorts did a good job. But i would have him go get gear up or stand on the side line... Because would have been in the way or could gotten hurt.

[@Wilfleinsdorfa]

american firefighters ?

[@MegaMantim]

The ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh moment @ around 6:15. Good ladder show, ladders in rescue position...great job...p.s. the guy in shorts needs (truckie) a pair of bunker pants...lol...

[@sfdff39]

@orochimaruisugly I hope your being sarcastic about the "backdraft conditions" lol

[@northbendsk8]

@jonnybabe2233 good spelling.

[@synicle0723]

I'm probably not the only one on this, but, what is the point, of pulling the ladder-truck to the front of the scene rather than a pumper? I'm sorry, but pulling a ladder truck to the front, with no pump action, no lines laid, is a waste of time which isn't in abundance, you've just risked loss of the scene and considering seconds count, you just wasted crucial time. Thank god, there were crews on the other side of the building, with enough common sense to get water on the fire ASAFP

[@Amanwithoutaface112]

the fire was under control in 3 minutes, no need to set up the tower

[@jonnybabe2233]

no bunker paints on nice

[@Ieng3ineT]

all i got to say is yikes u guys need to start doing something different regardless of it being a Constance fire to 1 room guys w no gear on i didnt see searches goin on like wow no offence but wow.

[@gsarjos]

@TheBosshog505 Looks to me like it's a fire scene and not a crime scene, what should they be doing? one already entered the building and got the morons out while and i use this word loosely "firemen" ran in circles in a panic

[@1m1nth3m0b2]

its different when you the one on the call but looking at how they set up the tower ladder is too damn slow for me if i see a fire i know that me and everyone else are gonna haul ass

[@SlalomSavage]

Lack of PPE....

[@gsarjos]

well at least the cop had enough sense to enter the building and get the idiots out... of course you only have 6 firemen running around in a panic for the first 5 minutes and thats not there job....

[@albertotoledo4]

Should have been wearing the correct PPE on the fire ground

[@TheBosshog505]

Do the cops actually get paid??? Should have coolers of water, snacks and cool cloths in every cop car. Do SOMETHIN.... Barney Fife!!

[@northbendsk8]

what the fuck kinda operation is this? i saw guys running around in only bunker jackets and before the ladder truck i saw no hoses, but multiple fire men? wtf.. i know in seattle, if there is an engine, we have a line going in as well.