Hydraulic Press vs Axes - Testing Old and New

[@HydraulicPressChannel]

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[@Mr.1.i]

You should try it with 2 heads...........see who has the hardest crainuim

[@Satori-d6y]

A die's opposite sides always add to seven. If the dots are hollowed, the 6 side will be lighter than the 1 side opposite it, yes? In principle, the dots could be different sizes and depths to balance the sides' weights. Even so, how are the three angular momenta around all three axes balanced when a die spins? If all three angular momenta are different, the spinning die will tumble. If two angular momenta are equal, there will be a preferred axis of spin, yes? Complicated.

[@BubaLabinski223]

I have a question what did you lose the temper on the axis when you weld them because they are tooled steel

[@test-rj2vl]

Looks like the axe vs axe at 5:00 had only slow-mo version? Would have been fun to see real time speed version also.

[@_BangDroid_]

I bet a Chinese axe from 1960 would beat a Chinese axe from 2024

[@OnePanda512]

The reason why chinese made is not durable is because thats their marketing strategy they make high performace cheap tools and easy to break so the people will buy again and again of their product

[@oohhboy-funhouse]

I wouldn't count on it, the 60's were not good decades in China. They also melted down most of their tools for reasons...

[@Creamcups]

Bad tools from the 60s have already ended up in the trash. It's survivor's bias.

[@julkkis666]

Yeah, pre-mao era axes fr8m china may be good, but not anything post mao era

[@OffTheBeatenPath_]

Lol no

[@ITubeTooInc]

Congrats on 10,000,000 subscribes!!! 🥳🎉

[@julkkis666]

@@ITubeTooInc it's kinda cool to think that you haven't changed your profile picture for 17 years

[@chrismayer3919]

Make that 10,000,000 + 1 👍😉

[@danenright]

9.99M omg! Congrats Lauri, I've enjoyed watching you walk this long road.

[@lohikarhu734]

It's completely amazing, in a way, that a "proper" axe has steel that cuts through steel, and just keeps cutting! This axe will cut a LOT of wood!

[@anteshell]

The main difference is that its blade is fully hardened while those others have only the blade edge hardened. There are benefits and drawbacks in both designs. One of the most important benefit of hardening only the edge is that it is much better to use because softer metal in the rest of the blade dampens the impact and doesn't hurt your hands as much. Sure, it breaks faster in this kind of tests, but that is irrelevant because the axes are not designed to withstand this kind of torture. Thus, the quality cannot be determined with these tests.

[@wombatillo]

​​​@@anteshellI have one of these Billnäs axes from the 50's. It has a model number (13?) Despite some rust damage but I forget the exact number. The blade's edge (3/4" from the apex) almost makes a handfile skate and it stains much darker with citric acid than the rest of the axe head. Wonder if it's just the temper on the edge or if the edge is also made from a harder alloy of steel?

[@rockets4kids]

Just because an axe appears to "win" here doesn't mean it is a good axe! Toughness is much more important than hardness in an axe, and a tradeoff is always made here. If you pay close attention, you'll notice that the "winning" axe often shows sign of a fracture failure. A softer and tougher axe will allow for a thinner edge geometry, and that is what really allows you to cut a lot of wood. That said, you do specifically want to avoid the axes that are both soft *and* brittle. I saw at least one of those here.

[@rockets4kids]

Just a quick note to anyone out there looking to buy an axe: Fracture resistance is much more important than hardness. If you pay close attention to the videos, you'll notice that the "winning" axe often shows a fracture failure. As such, the "losing" axe could well make the better tool here. Also note that sometimes even the losing axe shown signs of fracture. Soft *and* brittle is what makes for a bad axe, and this is what you want to avoid.

[@mihanich]

These are the most Finnish sounding and looking couple I've ever seen

[@lukearts2954]

My heart bled for that little old axe. It was such a beautiful one...

[@myleft9397]

I don't know if you were trying to make a Finnish axe commercial but you did. Where do I buy?

[@KasperiVonSchrowe]

I don't know if the new Fiskars axes are as good as this old one, but they certainly are proud of their hardening process. They are still Finnish made, in Billnäs, and they can be found in Home Depot I believe.

[@sambrose1]

Perhaps Finland

[@DannoHung]

With the machined dice, did you make sure h the centroids of the mass ensure fair rolls? I bought a set of aluminum dice about a decade ago and the maker had done a lot of careful work to make sure the pip holes were milled carefully to ensure a correct centroid.

[@ChristianTheNorwegian]

This! Thinking about buying like 25 dice for "liars dice" but I need to know that they are balanced.

[@jaky3]

I'm sure the professionals thought about that at some point during the process.

[@DannoHung]

@@jaky3I just hope the video showing the six face being milled is from an early production finish test or something, because there is little to no chance of a fair die if the production six face has deep, conical pips as shown.

[@creepingjesus5106]

When you see the fineness of the grain of the steel in the Finnish axes, versus the metal porridge that the Chinese stuff is made of, it's clear it was never a fair fight!

[@davidrobinson2571]

use a Chinese axe at the same price point things might be different ..

[@WoodworkerDon]

HPC always on the cutting edge of YT pressing videos, 👍 Prrritti Guud.

[@3M46DN1M]

I see what you did there.

[@methamphetamememcmeth3422]

2 axes, 1 press

[@ChieFChalinOLarssoN]

4:14 if I had any money I would also bet on fiskars. My mother have 2 fiskars scissors and they are 30-35 years old and have never been sharpened and they are still sharp as new!

[@hoej]

We have two of those orange fiskars. Both about 15 years old. One has been used regularly and it shows, while the other is purely for clothes/textiles when we sew stuff. Difference is like night and day. Fiskars isn't what they once were.

[@MF175mp]

You can tell the fiskars axe was pretty hard. It will definitely hold a better edge.

[@lozeldatkm]

You've proved you can split an ASO (Anvil Shaped Object) but I would love to see you test some actual anvils...

[@ASMRPoohbear]

Looks like a knife cutting through butter, then you realise how tough an axe actually is. Amazing video and stunning close ups.

[@MrKruger88]

This is a great comparison, if you require a hydraulic press to cut through butter 😂

[@Owen2108]

00:30 thumbnail faces crack me up, thanks for keeping them in

[@MAGGOT_VOMIT]

Hey Laurie, I bet you could make some cool Smugglers Dice like the ones in Star Wars. Another awesome vid as usual!!😎👍

[@teropiispala2576]

The Fiskars axe had golden hue from the welding. It means the temperature was high enough to mess the temper. In this case, it may have increased toughness but softened the steel. That Tarmo axe looked quite hard and cracked easily. Unless it's very good steel, which I think it isn't, that won't work well as axe. Axe typically needs toughness more than hardness, so the edge don't crack from repeating hits. Previous generation Fiskars axes, which were still made in Finland, were relatively soft steel. As they moved manufacturing into China, they say it's tool steel, which are typically the highest quality steels. The old version worked well and was easy to sharpen, but the edge tend to bend. I haven't tested the Chinese one to know if it works well, but it is much harder.

[@ericsorg6335]

The firetruck video was awesome!!!

[@WoodworkerDon]

It was HOT.

[@HydraulicPressChannel]

It was one of the best things that I have ever done :D Just as experience not even as video. The moment when we were blasting with flame thrower and water was awesome :D

[@phonotical]

6 months and they only made 2000? And then to release them after Christmas? Whoever is making them is screwing you over in return for your advertising and prestige

[@just-gaming213]

Watching the old Finnish steel cut though the new Chinese monkey metal was satisfying AF

[@pupper5580]

like hot knife through butter.

[@AlexBesogonov]

It's really a question of hardness vs. durability. The Finnish axe is a hard high-carbon steel, and the Chinese one is likely a milder steel. So the Finnish axe is more likely to crack if it hits a stone, and is more rust-proof. But it'll hold the edge better. The Chinese one is more durable and is less likely to chip, but it'll get dull faster.

[@snuscaboose1942]

@@AlexBesogonov Traditional axe heads are made by forge welding two different types of steel, laminated edge steel, a hardened carbon steel for the edge and milder steel for the body of the head. The edge is hard and the body durable. The modern Chinese axe is poorly made from cheap materials.

[@1234567890CAB]

At 6:00, you can see that the Finnish didn't break before it got to the welded material. So the hardened welds actually broke it and not the chinesium

[@maxtroy]

I don’t know why but when the axe cut the chinesium I really lolled And I had a sad day today. Thank you!

[@Malmstrom87]

Looking forward to the Kickstarter! When you say you're expanding the dice collection, does that mean other types of dice as well like D4, D8, D10, D12 and D20?

[@HydraulicPressChannel]

Yes we have plans also for Dn versions and more materials

[@WoodworkerDon]

D5,000,000

[@Malmstrom87]

@@HydraulicPressChannel Awesome!

[@tylerlacor8116]

Omg your so close to 10M subscribers!

[@campsitesweden]

10 M subs soon. Thats impressive.

[@ronwalsh]

Looking forward to seeing the KS come online.

[@karipenttila2655]

Finnish axes are made with steel made in charcoal owens and new ones are arch ovens which make very weak steel.

[@johnturner4400]

Incredible to believe that we will soon see the HPC 10million!

[@goracks69]

Cool to know which one is stronger. But realistically, both are probably fine for the average person who chops wood occassionally. Obviously it’s different if you’re running a wood stove, homesteading, camping all the time, off the grid, or a lumberjack.

[@theohansson6557]

Very close to 10 million!

[@HydraulicPressChannel]

2 hours maybe!

[@WoodworkerDon]

@@HydraulicPressChannel No Niin. SISU!!!

[@ericcox6764]

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[@WoodworkerDon]

@@ericcox6764 Tell a friend or a couple hundred, and family and neighbors. Just a couple hundred away from 10 Million. It could happen today. 👍

[@josephharvey7937]

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[@duncanramsay9262]

Make marvel weaponry like thors hammer made out off very high grade material vs cpt America's shield also made out of extremely high quality materials and press them against each other along with other weaponry from the franchise. That would be fun.

[@TheGnomestead]

I love my Fisker axel and maul. They are my goto

[@pointdexter5215]

The slow-mo with this battle was outstanding!

[@JoeBlow-wx7ug]

That harbor freight anvil never stood a chance.

[@grigeroz]

😂😂😂😂🎉! Yay!! Go Finland! Kuuud Finnish Produktio!! Torille!!! 😂😂😂🎉

[@amon_69]

is the failure mode of the cheaper axe and anvil indicative of forged vs cast tools?

[@1pcfred]

There's a lot of factors that go into the quality of metals. Right down to the quality of the base ore. Then there's all of the alloying ingredients. The heat treatment. The forging too. As Thulsa Doom called it, the riddle of steel.

[@pupper5580]

@@1pcfred Thulsa Doom's Riddle of Steel had very little to do with steel - but the will of the person wielding the steel - what matters is strong will.

[@1pcfred]

@@pupper5580 that's what Thusa determined after a while. Early on he was into the metallurgy. So he became corrupted with time. When Conan first met Thulsa he was looking for the swords. Later on he lived that disposable lifestyle.

[@pupper5580]

​@@1pcfred Good information, thank you! So you think Thulsa's doom (pun not intended) came from being corrupted, and straying away from steel (that he wielded with his own bare hands), and relying too much on the power of dominating others, instead of relying on his own strength and the steel that he wielded with his own hands. When Thulsa failed at mind controlling Conan - Conan's will was too strong - Conan defeated Thulsa with his steel. So in a sense, Thulsa created the Riddle of Steel, but Conan had the correct answer for it - while Thulsa's idea of the answer was incorrect. Or another interpretation, perhaps a better one: the key part of the battle between Conan and Thulsa was a battle of wills - not a battle of steel. Conan was able to resist Thulsa's will, and defeat him. While in the past, Thulsa was able to defeat Conan's mother with his will: in a sense, Thulsa hypnotized Conan's mother into lowering her guard, after which Thulsa struck. But it is an interesting topic, I do not have a good answer, merely musings.

[@1pcfred]

@@pupper5580 I think Thulsa was always a bad seed that just got worse as time went on. But his original quest had some merit. I can relate to the allure of the riddle of steel. I'm just not so keen on razing villages to find out. There was a time in human history where the nature of steel wasn't well known. We really didn't collectively get out act together when it came to metallurgy until a fairly late date. There were a number of bridge collapses and disasters that spurred standards. They happened in the mid and late 1800s. Then the space age really kicked things into high gear. When whole national identities became tied to metallurgy in a very public way. Rockets blowing up on launch pads are not a good look.

[@brandonguerrero115]

I’d like to see Finnish hatchets tested against older Russian hatchets made of the finest stalinium

[@thefreedomguyuk]

Maybe you should test YOUR WELDS in the press ? 😂😂 (Yes, your welds are better than mine ❤❤)

[@merlynsfire1275]

Bit nerdy but I really enjoyed seeing the Finish patten axes. Really interesting shape, quiet different to UK or USA heads that I'm used to.

[@OpinionFactChecker]

The inboard design increases force with no extra weight.

[@BronzeAgePuritan]

Regrind that Fiskars. It deserves a second life after that performance.

[@david2ljdavid2lj56]

The problem with welding is that the heat changes the properties of the metals.

[@TheNismo777]

That chinesium anvil build quality.. I wouldnt dare to test against old german anvil.. those are very expensive and insanely good in quality

[@ThePontus1000]

second try is not fair, you welded back the missing part of the axe witch makes the metal stronger.

[@thechumpsbeendumped.7797]

Is anyone else sad that those lovely old axes got damaged?

[@MikkoRantalainen]

Didn't expect the Chinese anvil to be that weak compared to Finnish axe.

[@WoodworkerDon]

Not a "real" anvil; just more of an anvil-shaped-object. 🤣

[@1pcfred]

I'm sure it beats having nothing at all. Real anvils can be somewhat hard to come by.

[@merlynsfire1275]

@@1pcfred I'm in the UK I got one :) Finding one wasn't too hard, finding one I could afford took quite a while. Your right it it's better than nothing but the bigger, the heavier and the nicer the hammer bounce back the easier it is to work on, these tiny cast iron ones are 'dead' very little bounce back so much harder work as you have to lift the hammer every time not have it bounce back halfway (maybe not exact but how it feels when working)

[@1pcfred]

@@merlynsfire1275 I don't do any smithing but I do have a Peter Wright style London pattern anvil. I use it occasionally to cold work some items. It's a nice piece to have in the shop. It has quite a ring to it and is harder than a coffin nail.

[@merlynsfire1275]

@1pcfred nice, lucky man and still using it if only occasionally is great to hear tools are made to be used It's so useful to have something you can belt something else on without it moving or breaking lol Worth a few quid a well so look after it... Which isn't hard just try not to let the working faces rust badly

[@1pcfred]

@@merlynsfire1275 yeah I keep it indoors and sprayed with WD-40. I decked it on my milling machine with a carbide fly cutter. So the the top is nice and flat. It was dinged up when I got it. I didn't like that. The corners still aren't square but I didn't want to go through whatever hard face it has on it. I just skimmed it clean. So it's like a mirror now. Super smooth.

[@epajarjestelmainsinoori9037]

Would be nice to see old Fiskars vs. New Fiskars. To see which way the steel and manufacturing quality went over the decades.

[@CommunityGuidelines]

The old Fiskars axe is impressive. The moral of the story is clear: when you are challenged to an axe battle, always choose Fiskars!

[@jcnikoley]

If there's a visual equivalent of fingernails on a chalkboard, this is it.

[@AdamDitheridge]

You could sell the sounds of the axes killing each other, to a foley artist. Amazingly atmospheric in a horror movie...tension etc... ;)

[@jackwolfe2058]

You guys are some of my favorite people

[@billsimpson604]

You can build up that missing area of the axe with hardface welding, grind it down, and it will be as good as new. You should do that for the viewers.

[@patryslawfrackowiak6690]

The old axe would have been totally okay if you didn't touch your welding while moving through the Finbullet. Then even the anvil wouldn't have broken it.

[@greygunner]

How are you going to balance the dice?

[@LordFalconsword]

Am I the only one who thinks half the fun is trying to figure out what they're saying, and laughing at her reactions to random destruction?

[@robertocapocchi8379]

“This time without beer”

[@Cerulean9002]

I have an amazing story. One day I was driving home, when all of a sudden the Lord came to me in spirit. I felt very close to Him. I knew if I asked him to play any song on the radio he would, I guess to bless my faith. So I said "ok, Lord play "Come as you are". I turned on the radio and the song started playing right there on the spot, perfectly… I started getting flooded with chills like a waterfall, crying, and trembling. He stayed with me for 10 minutes in my driveway. until I got outta the car. A couple months after that I started getting amazing prayers answered way more often, because it helped me quit doubting when I pray and I was lined up with biblical instructions. It's 7 years later and I still get answered prayers in Jesus name.

[@movieghostofficial]

The kiss of the axes 💋

[@PahaLukki]

The welds can affect the tempering, but interesting anyway

[@Tezz42]

Would love to hear you say squirrel 😂😂😂😂

[@deadend1041]

Wow that was like a hot knife through butter

[@StereoBucket]

Glowing hot axe vs Nitrogen cooled axe 👀

[@bevis226]

Junk Powdered steel vs real forged steel. Forged steel will win every single time. I bought a newer Powdered steel axe a couple years ago. Darn thing literally exploded into 3 pieces when I went to split a chunk of Red Oak. It was winter time rite around 15*f/-9c outside and I keep my axes in the shed. It seems that Powdered steel gets very very brittle when it's cold.

[@napalmholocaust9093]

Try a cryogeniclly treated ax. They were made about 75 years ago and say "cryo" on them.

[@MF175mp]

Interesting, usully axes are intentionally only semi-hard. Like probably below 50 HRC on the edge.

[@AquaticLogic]

10,000,000 subs! Pritty Guuuuud!!!!

[@etpienaar]

do you make D&D dice ( 20 sided ) ?

[@rngwrm]

up yours, finnbullet (and modern metallurgy at large)

[@tylerc161]

So close to 10m subs! 9.99 right now

[@fie1329]

That is astonishing! The axe just went through the anvil like nothing. I bet if it was not damaged before, it would not even be scratched by the anvil. The piece that chipped off was already cracked before, so thats not a score for the anvil.

[@MF-jo6jt]

Its only fair if you compare in price

[@lolalumikola]

Will you put the diamond play button to the press!?

[@JackFromLeivasy]

Old tools were always made better. Made to last. They dont make them like they used to anymore.

[@1pcfred]

They still make good tools. They just don't make many of them.

[@stevo68]

Why would they even bother making a cast iron anvil.

[@SuperKaamio]

Tuliko yllätyksenä, että kiinalainen valurauta ei pärjää teräkselle?

[@MaverickBlue42]

Wouldn't the welding temperature change the temper and hardness of the metal? Also, you didn't even sharpen the old axes, they started off with a handicap....

[@toolthoughts]

Yes the welding will change heat treated steel in several uncontrolled ways. Gotta wonder why not just weld together a few holders for the axes for about the same effort. You wouldn't need much more than a couple pieces of thick rectangular tubing welded to plate.

[@marcelgrimberg8411]

Such nice Finnisch Axe😢, all for sciene.😂 😊but was nice axe

[@MrKruger88]

Different metals are different 🤯

[@Rom3_29]

Onko tuo suomalainen kirves tehty kokonaan Suomessa? Vai onko raaka teräs tuotu jostain muualta ? Is that Finnish ax made completely in Finland? Or is the raw steel imported from somewhere else ? Cracking the Chinese anvil was no surprise. As they’re made from recycled garbage cast iron in someone’s backyard business.

[@juggieboy]

10 mi10 mill subscribers congratulations hellllla yeah :D

[@Kenneth_James]

Do another but just do softer metals versus harder

[@Mr.1.i]

You should try it with 2 heads...........see who has the hardest crainuim

[@SkyForgeVideos]

High quality Steel Hammer vs Titanium Hammer? (I know its expensive... But I'm curious)😅

[@finskiandguns8534]

Me and your dice are Finnish-Canadians

[@maggusmaggistar7534]

Chinese anvil cant break an already Broken old Finish Axe lel

[@navaho5430]

The one on the bottom does less work, good place to be, cheers.

[@MrBrander]

8:46 Chinesium at its finest.

[@grumpyed58]

Set each axe in a slot

[@charleswelch249]

No comparison between actual handmade blacksmith axe to cast steel poor quality Chinese junk. Great video and have fun making more.

[@EpicureMammon]

This is making me sad for these old axes.

[@shrapnut7612]

I, for one, would like to see battle of the axes with the SMASHINATOR 99,000000000, or not.

[@josephbryson1565]

You need to find vintage army axes. They are bulletproof.

[@micke3035]

So the takeaway is that the Chinese make metal things that you don't want to be brittle, be just that, brittle. 👌

[@novoiperkele]

a Harder axe is not always the best. You dont want your axe chipping.

[@NightwishArena]

True. Same with the hammers. I know a guy who almost died, because of hammer chip, that went through his abs. And it was just a regular carpenter hammer.

[@fernanbytes]

it is possible to make comestible good recipes of food with the Hydraulic Press ? >>

[@bbb12228]

With welding you probably de-tempered the steel

[@christianellegaard7120]

That's not an anvil. It is what black-smiths call an ALO (Anvil Like Object)

[@Smittumi]

Lemme axe you dis...

[@ingrobny4111]

Fiskars is the best, from scissors to kitchen knives! 😃