Hydrostat Vs Shuttle Shift - Pros and Cons

Hydrostat Vs Shuttle Shift - Pros and Cons
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[@TomKD0QKK]

I have a JD 3043D. It's gear drive with a shuttle shift, though the clutch does need to be depressed to use the shuttle. It's 8 speed forward and reverse. I've run gear drive tractors all of my life so I guess that I might be less inconvenienced by a clutch than someone that hasn't run old tractors. Most of the time, the shuttle shift happens, almost without thought, while I'm operating the loader or turning the steering wheel. I doubt it costs more than a couple of seconds of time compared to operating a hydra-stat. The reasons I bought this tractor instead of a comparable hydra-stat were as follows: Weight. Around six hundred pounds heavier than a hydra-stat. Cost. Around 5-6 thousand dollars less at the time than a hydra-stat. Simplicity. Gear drives are basic and old technology. There's a reason so many old N model Fords are still out there working everyday. Power. I wanted the most bang for my 43 horse buck, especially at the PTO. I run a chipper quite a bit and it really needs the power. Put it in gear and forget it. I maintain about a mile of road with my tractor. As you mentioned, I can set the throttle, pick the gear and just mostly go along for the ride. Lastly, at least for me. I'm just comfortable on gear drive tractors. I have an old JD 345 garden tractor with hydra-stat and a Bad Boy zero turn. For doing lawn work it's really nice to have. But I don't see much advantage, for me, anyway, in having hydra-stat on my compact tractor. Loader work might be marginally easier with it but then, if loader work is the primary use I have for a tractor I'd get a skid steer. The choice of just about everything in the tractor world is highly subjective. I'm not sure there is a perfect or one size fits all answer to anything. I guess the deciding factor in this choice probably comes down to experience. If you're a new tractor owner/operator then I'd say get a hydra-stat. Less of a learning curve. Tractors are always looking for a way to kill the operator so the less he has to think about the better. Thanks for all you do. I look forward to your videos and enjoy your content. Have a great one!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Good comment. I pinned it to the top so other people can read your reasoning as it was a little more detailed than what I offered in the video.

[@TomKD0QKK]

@@RockhillfarmYT Thanks.

[@bobpurs]

42lljky well put and rather than retype what you said I just add not a Hydro stat guy. Want power to ground without winning and heat and among several other reason you mentioned. Once reason I had to switch brands to get what I wanted as JD didn’t offer what I model i want in anything but hydro stat 👎. So went to brand that does👍👌

[@erniebigbie3211]

I have the same3043D and I chose it for all the same reasons that you explained so clearly. Most or my property is steeper also. I did add 3"wheel spacers for more stability.

[@bigsway4414]

That is the longest KZbin comment I have ever read. But it was good. Like Brock said very detailed. That is so much horsepower for that frame size that I don’t think people realize. We have a Mahindra 3540 at work that weighs around 5000 pounds I think. It has one more PTO horsepower than by 3038E which weighs less than a half as much. Your tractor smokes it on horsepower…

[@HarryVonhoene]

Gear drive transmissions operate in the 95 to 98% efficiency range, (engine power transmitted to the wheels) The best hydrostatic drive will be in the 78 to 83% range (less power to the wheels).

[@cornpop7805]

I believe hydrostatic machines overheat when doing heavy work, especially at low ground speeds. You can do things with a 25hp 1940s farm tractor that you can't do with many 40hp hydrostatic machine. The reason being, many of the old farm tractors had a really low gear for plowing and pulling heavy loads. Doing this kind of work will run a hydrostatic machine really hot. Heat is what damages hydrostatic transmissions.

[@PresleyTV]

This was very helpful. When I was a kid (60's and 70's) there was only one option. HST was brand new back then and there was no shuttle shift. This helped me a lot. Thanks.

[@frijoli9579]

Good video. Hydrostats are 85% or less efficient. Gear drives can go as high as 98%. Hydrostats are so easy it's silly. Shuttle shift is an awesome in between.

[@railroadmims]

I bought a JD 3025D and sometimes wish I had a hydro, but can’t stand the wine they make. My high range 2nd gear seem like a great all around gear for most loader work. And it’s been great for the brush hog and tilling that I have been doing. I wish front loader capacity was just a little better but a simple upgrade from hydros plus will help with that. Thanks Brock for always giving us great content from your channel.

[@Cowboy_Steve]

Good stuff Brock! Having never owned a shuttle shift I learned something new. Great... now another decision I have to make when figuring out what to buy and from who to buy it from lol. Thanks for sharing 🤠

[@lawman5511]

Been operating a NH 30 HP with a hydro for 17 years, mainly moving various kinds of material. Your analysis is 100% correct. Great video for somebody tractor shopping. The nice thing about the NH is that it has a cruise control for those long runs.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks for sharing

[@stump-bossBIll]

Well done breaking it all down very clearly and practically Brock👏👏 I want to say I’d be leaning towards shuttle shift based on this rationale and application. I’d add that if you are frequently in “tight spaces” as well as a reason why hydraulic drive would be easier to control. While I’d much prefer to have all the power to the drives, gosh golly it’s nice working in thight spaces to navigate the hydro machines👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 and I have run both, albeit mostly shuttle shift on larger machines where all that shifting is tedious and leaves me wondering if I’m wearing out components not really meant to shifted that rigorously. 😇😎🤔

[@QueensPirate-qh8hi]

The hydrostatic trans will produce more heat and may overheat to the point of having to shut down depending on the climate. Just something to keep in mind when deciding. Great video though. Thank you

[@todd9453]

I think this was a good explanation for the average person that doesn't have any Ag experience. I haven't commented in a while because I haven't been watching many videos lately. Tom KF0QKK said it pretty well. All my life I have driven gear drive or shuttle shift tractors. Gear drive is awesome for long runs as you said. Shuttle shifts are awesome for repetitive work. Hydros are great for lawn/garden/small scale utility (light-medium light) work. As for electric over hydraulic it's the same story as vehicles these days; everything keeps getting more and more "convenient" but that comes at the cost of being more complex. You really have to ask yourself if you really "need" all the convenience that is available? Ask a person that has had a "convenience" system fail at a very inconvenient time and there is no way to "rig" the equipment to get the job done or get the equipment to a more suitable place for repairs. I'm guessing that person would say they could have done without some of that convenience (and cost to repair it). Just my opinion.

[@bradmeacham6982]

My JD 4720 HST had the Automotive Cruise Control option (an add on to the standard HST electronic cruise control at the time). When mowing a big field, you established your desired ground speed with the hydro peddle, then turned the cruise on. If you needed to disengage the cruise for whatever reason, all you had to do was hit the Automotive Cruise Control's resume function and away you went at your previously established cruise speed.

[@lordchaa1598]

Hydrostatic transmissions are very user friendly and are instrumental in making repetitive back and forth tasks easier on the operator. With that said, you will never match the pulling power of a gear drive, especially when dealing with ground engaging implements and providing pushing power when going uphill. There is a much steeper learning curve with a gear drive transmission. They both have their pros and cons, it really depends on budget and what type of work you’re planning on doing with it.

[@kenadams3951]

Thanks

[@ricardoruiz6612]

good job explaining the difference . I own a TYM 474 cab tractor with hydrostatic and i love it.

[@davidmays2161]

Good content here. Couldn't make the farm show last Friday, looked like they had a good dealer turnout. Maybe next time.

[@dustdevl1043]

Great info as always, thanks Brock!

[@toddw392]

I love your shirt and hydrostatic transmissions! Keep up the good work.

[@jimc9581]

Messicks has a video showing the gear drive has 3 times the pulling power. I have both, I really like the hydro for some things.

[@donalexander4083]

great video, Brock

[@vikingrobot4179]

I was looking at the TYM 2515 with shuttle shift. The sales manager actually recommended the shuttle shift over hydro stat as 1 it transfers more torque to the wheels as sometimes With the hydros you are at at the mercy of the hydro pressure and it can feel spongy or weak in power doing simple tasks. 2. Gear drives are about $800 Cheaper. 3. the gear drive is easier to maintain during fluid and maintenance changes. 3. if you burn out your hydro trans you’re looking at about $8-k to replace. With the gear drive a trans rebuild is about $4-k. I have a hydro lawn tractor and I totally feel the strain while At the mercy of hydro going up hills. I’m all about less Majntenance costs and having power and torque when I need it.

[@shaunarchangel3872]

My friend had a tym hydrostat. He had transmission problems so yeah the shuttle shift would be your best bet .

[@kevine3547]

Great explanation! Thanks.

[@weeweed86]

Good info...Thank You for putting it together.

[@davidsmathers5621]

Well brock you just summed it up great job

[@markv9519]

Great job

[@82ndpara21]

I’ve had both. Hydro is sooooo much better. There are some real differences with shuttles out there. Most smaller 25-60hp tractors use single dry disc and they will need adjustment and will need replaced. All of the Deere shuttles are dual wet disc with power engagement like the other brands lancer tractors. Good video.

[@swashington942]

It faster at loader work not better.

[@82ndpara21]

@@swashington942 how is it not better?

[@erniebigbie3211]

My last "big" tractor was a JD 6105E. 24 forward, 12 reverse Shuttle shift with adjustable response dial .For me it was the perfect hay tractor for round bale handling .I could find a good gear for field work and the shuttle worked great for loading and stacking the bales. Sort of the best of both worlds. Rarely use the clutch pedal when stacking hay.

[@adamdaly5250]

I’ve got the JD3035D and it’s like you said… you get used to the shuttle shift. I’ve enjoyed mine, although being able to use a backhoe would be really nice addition

[@JohnVHLife]

Branson with a hydro here, love the shirt!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@DallasFFL]

Checkout messicks video testing the power of hydro vs gear. Was staggering difference, like 30-40% more torque on the gear drive. I have a power reverser power shuttle on my 5075e deere. Love it, find it crazy easy to do loader work etc just flip of a finger to change directions. The kubota m7060 has that thumb clutch you mentioned too.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Before recording my video, I watched several others opinion videos. Not sure why I missed that one, but I will check it out.

[@FabbedFun]

There is a difference in mechanical vs hydraulic shuttle on the whole stopping/clutching part, but I think you got a lot of the info right. I'm rolling in a 74 hp mechanical shuttle. If I'm doing hours of loader work, my left knee does get sore. But that's maybe a few days in a year... But I've been on some decent sized hydros, and I don't like the feel in hard pulls. I think they are best suited under that 30 or 40 hp mark, anything above, I'd prefer gear. Not right or wrong, just preference. That being said, I want a hydro subcompact some day for yard work!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yeah, I mentioned that there was several different types of geardrives even within the shuttle shift category but I’m not an expert on them and there is no way to cover them all in one video Some are fully synchronized, and don’t require you to stop even to switch ranges The TYM I was on, doesn’t require you to push the clutch pedal. You can engage your clutch for shifting ranges with the push button.

[@FabbedFun]

@@RockhillfarmYT Those TYMs look pretty good. Lots of good machines on display at the shows! Do you think you'll ever go bigger and weight the option of a gear drive?

[@daviddodier8845]

I grew up on four gears and one of them was reverse! 😂 Thankfully the engineers put reverse and 1st straight up and down for loader work. I remember dreaming of a shuttle shift transmission like the big boy equipment I’d run. Hydrostatic transmissions are a god send and I’ll never switch back! I wonder what the HP limitations are for hydro and if technology will expand the ceiling in the future.

[@kdegraa]

Most big earth moving equipment have hydrostatic transmissions. So I don’t think there is a horse power limit for hydrostatic tractors. It’s more likely the tasks of bigger tractors such as ploughing results in them not having hydrostatic transmissions.

[@andrewanderson1436]

I love the hst. They are very capable. If was doing heavy ground engaging ide get a shuttle shift.

[@redtailwoods]

I ended up buying a shuttle shift New Holland Workmaster 60. Shuttle shift gave me a lot more power for my dollar. Then ended up doing a lot more loader work than I expected, and kinda wish I'd gone with the hydrostat! One other big advantage to they hydrostat is that your PTO speed can be totally independent of your ground speed. I'm spending a lot of time snowblowing right now with a PTO driven blower, and can only adjust speed by changing gears - since the throttle is set to maintain PTO speed. On a winding, snowy mountain road I wish I could fine-tune the speed like I could with a hydrostat.

[@ibwaldo]

I switched from a 5065E Power Reverser (12 X 12 shuttle shift) to a 2038R (hydrostatic). To me a hydrostatic gives a lot more control for doing detail work or working in tight spaces as a gear drive ground speed can only go so slow. This is important when you’re in tight spots or with hooking up implements and can get you in trouble if you’re not careful. With a shuttle shift you can feather the clutch or shift to neutral, but on uneven ground you have to remember that your tractor will roll, so you also need the brake. It’s easy to have things happen more quickly than your comfort zone and that’s when bad things can happen. I much prefer the hydrostatic in these situations as it reduces the stress level! Working in an open area and doing high load ground engaging work is where the shuttle shift shines. On a side note, I’m a little disappointed that my 2038R doesn’t display ground speed on the dash like my 5065E did. For spraying, that’s an important data point for proper calibration and coverage and since it does have cruise control, I assumed it would show ground speed. That’s what the TractorPlus app with Smart Connector or other apps that displays ground speed is for I guess. Great video as always and proof of why there are so many options available as everyone will have different needs for the variety of work they are trying to accomplish.

[@stump-bossBIll]

Probably should’ve purchases a 3038 instead maybe?

[@ibwaldo]

@@stump-bossBIll I started with a 5065E for lifting capacity and cost. The issue I had was needing to maintain 2 properties that are 60 miles away from each other. I have 5 acres near town and work and my wife inherited her 40 acre family farm an hour away. We were planning on moving out to the farm once the kids graduate from high school in five years and that helped push me into the 5065E. We were just going maintain the yard around the farmhouse and let the rest go wild until we moved out there. The situation changed last year when my dad said that Michigan winters were getting to him and he wanted to move down here to Oklahoma. Currently he is 6 miles south of Lake Superior where winters are long, cold, with lots is snow. My 5065E only had a loader with bucket and forks and a box blade. So I was going to need more implements to start maintaining all of the farm and be able to transport it all back and forth. That would require a much larger tow vehicle, trailer and properly sized implements that get expensive in a hurry. So after researching, I decided that a 2038R would be more cost effective to maintain both properties. I agree that a 3038 would have been nice, but I also wanted a backhoe more than a slightly larger frame size (the cost for the hoe is about the same cost as the frame size cost between the 2038 and 3038). My 2038R package gives me the options and implements to get everything done. -220R MSL loader with 3rd function, 4 in 1 bucket, forks, grapple, and single point hydraulic connection. -72D mid mount mower with load n go ramps -270B backhoe with hydraulic thumb -MX5 -RT3062 tiller -R3 radial tires, rear wheel spacers, rears are filled and have 2 sets of wheels weights -EA 72” wicked box blade -iMatch and extra led lighting A larger tractor would be nice at times, but this setup is big enough to get everything done and is transportable with what I have now. In 5 years when we live out at the farm and only have one property to maintain, I can make adjustments if necessary.

[@swashington942]

You bought a 2 series to take care of a 40 acre farm? I probably misunderstood.

[@ibwaldo]

@@swashington942 you are correct, a 2038R on the 40 acre farm. We allow a neighbor to run his cattle on it, so they keep it mowed down for the most part. I do maintain about 3 acres around the house, out to the reservoir, and along the driveway to keep it looking decent. Driveway maintenance is necessary as well. Don’t get me wrong, the 5065E was a great fit for the farm, but I needed something for my 5 acre home near town where we live. I couldn’t afford two tractor payments or transport the 5065E back and forth between the two properties. So I made the switch to the 2038R. Once the kids graduate high school in 5 years, we’ll move out to the farm and sell our 5 acre house near town. I’ll likely keep my 2038R and get another 5 series for the larger tasks at the farm.

[@swashington942]

@@ibwaldo Good deal brother.

[@VBCJesusSaves]

Pretty simple rule of thumb: using FEL and frequent forward/backward rear PTO, hydro is far superior in ease of use. Gear is best, as you mentioned, when needing a constant speed, more power and long runs without changing ground speed. It's all about the application. I have a 25hp hydro and a 73hp power shuttle. They are both great for their applications.

[@bullrambler]

I have a 66hp 4x4 tractor with 57.5hp PTO. I blow snow in the winter and don't mind the gear drive system. No power shuttle on my tractor - but it would be a good feture to have.

[@westfacemountainman8780]

Great video! I have a shuttle shift and did not even know about the hydrostat. Very cool! If I may ask, where did you get that shirt? I really like it!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I saw it as a Facebook ad and ordered four of them. No idea what the company was and it’s been a couple years ago.

[@HarryVonhoene]

A hydrostatic transmission consists generally of a variable pump or two, one or two fixed displacement motors and usually another fixed displacement pump for auxiliary functions, power steering lifts, buckets etc. I have seen where some people have put on bigger pumps without increasing the suction line size, this will lead to premature pump failure as well. If you have any hydraulic questions, I will try to help! Been working with tractors since my 8N.

[@unteachable491]

the more i research tym the more i like them. seem to be almost 10k cheaper than the green or orange for similar models. Brock, what was your overall impression of them?

[@chechnya]

TYM is high quality. Any Korean tractor is also good.

[@anomicanomic2705]

I’m really thinking of a YM YANMAR. I GOT QUOTED 30k for a 47hp which is about 10hp more for the same price hydro.

[@jeanpomerleau8416]

I have a 12x12 gear drive, and it has lots of power, and I don't mind clutching because of how I use it, it just does not matter. The only thing I don't like is you don't have an almost stop mode like you may want in some of the 3 pth stump grinders that may want a stop and go option.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks for sharing

[@alittleofthisandalittleofthat]

I like to have the 3043D, great tractor for woods work with my logging winch. But can’t have a backhoe with it. Can on the 3043E as it’s hydrostatic.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks for sharing

[@genewilliams7497]

Great video& content…. You really need to look at a test drive a Massey Ferguson 4707 Dyna 2 70hp cab tractor. It comes in 24 x 24 partial power shift. With it you can de-clutch at four locations……. 1) w/ clutch pedal, 2) w/ power shuttle, 3) on the shifter and 4) brake to neutral w/brake pedal. Good luck on your quest for a larger cab tractor. I own the Massey 5711 Dyna 4 16 x 16 full power shift. Which means I can shift thru all gears and lol ranges on the go and never touch the clutch. I have it weighted to right at 16,000 lbs. we some machines that AGCO makes these days. 👍👍🔥🔥

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks for sharing. From memory, don’t you have several Massey tractors? The ability to shift through all the gears without stopping would be nice.

[@genewilliams7497]

I have several New Holland tractors.. this is my first Massey Ferguson tractor at 110hp. Let’s just say that I-was blown away with the quality and features of the AGCO tractors. This Massey is now my favorite machine to operate. Over the 125hp powershift New Holland . I like them both but there more features on the Massey.

[@BGWenterprises]

Yes there are many different versions of gear transmissions. . Usually related to how many reverse gears they have, the ability to shift though them, and change direction, with or without the clutch being used. The power reverser version. Ability to go back and forth like a hydro. But the efficiency of a gear drive. . Shuttle shift, and power reverser are definitely commonly mixed up. . Say a hydro is 30hp at pto The same tractor will be mabe 33hp-ish with a gear transmission.

[@ronaldsmith214]

👍

[@paulcasefarms9933]

I think the bigger tractors are not offered in HYdro is because of the loss of power for the hydro and the fact that it might be real hard to cool the oil for a hydro that big.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Leave it to this guy to have an answer

[@paulcasefarms9933]

Can a modern hydro tractor put full speed to the pto without the motor running at near full speed?

[@RockhillfarmYT]

No.

[@MusicandMachines]

Does a hydrostatic tractor use hydraulics to run PTO as well? I’ve been looking at a TYM T574, but it says electric/hydraulic PTO with wet clutch.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I would say yes, although I can’t get into the technical side of how the PTO operates on a hydrostatic tractor but I have ran the TYM 574. The way the PTO works on that tractor is the same as how it works on every other hydrostat tractor I’ve been around. The electric part just means the switch that engages it. Basically the point I’m making is that that description is nothing to be concerned about. That’s the way they make them.

[@MusicandMachines]

My concern was loss of Pto power through use of hydraulics as opposed to gear driven Pto.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yes, the general consensus is that on average you get a little bit less of your tractor horsepower to the PTO horsepower but I don’t think it’s dramatic. My current tractor is 38 hp and puts 30 to the PTO according to the spec sheet If it were a gear drive, you might get 32 to the PTO instead of 30. That is the listed information that the manufacture will tell you. Some people will say that it’s going to feel like you get more of that power but that’s not something I can comment on I do run attachments that require 30 PTO horsepower like my stump grinder and wood chipper and it handles them. The majority of all compact tractor owners are running Hydro stats. Even in the size you are looking at it’s probably more common to get the hydrostat. Keep in mind I’m no expert. Just some guy giving an opinion.

[@daddio7249]

All I know if I try to mow too thick grass with my brush hog my JD 1023 it will stall the motor. I believe it has a direct connection to the motor. I think the lower PTO hp is because the hydrostatic transmission soaks up power even if the tractor is motionless. A small tractor with a hydro transmission is much easier to drive in tight areas then a skid steer, you have much better vision forward and to the sides and skid-steers have almost zero vision backwards. Wheeled skid steers also have low ground clearance and get stuck easily. I have tens of thousands of hours driving gear drive tractors and thousands more driving backhoes, dozers and skid-steer loaders. I have had all the clutch pushing, lever pulling, and gear shifting I really want.

[@markziegler3551]

No it is not a hydraulic pto. The dash mounted electric switch activates a hydraulic valve and moves hydraulic fluid to a clutch pack. The fluid acts on a piston that squeezes the clutch plates together so rotary motion between the mechanical input and the pto shaft is continued. Release the pressure off of the hydraulic piston and the clutch releases discontinuing the transfer of power.

[@projectswithjw]

In the case of my 1025. The engine dies before the tires ever break traction with the ground. Hydro is just fine.

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[@seijirou302]

I'm pretty sure the reason the hydrostats only go so "big" is literally size as really the only way for a hydrostat to gain strength is to increase the radius from the center of the pistons to the center of the swash plate and fit a thicker plate, bigger pistons, rods, and pins. This grows in size for a given strength faster than gears do. Hydrostats can do everything better than traditional gears can do, except packaging.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Everything you said sounds logical, but on a compact tractor they just don’t quite have the power they need

[@marvindiamonjr.9631]

Hydrostat is so convenient that I don't see me ever wanting to go away from that. If I ever needed a bigger tractor, then I probably wouldn't have much choice. I'd get by either way. One option I would never consider is having no tractor at all. Getting lazy in my old age!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

They are definitely better than a shovel

[@bigsway4414]

I watch a lot of Tractor videos. Every Kubota guy says they prefer the treadle pedal because it’s more simple or easier or just superior. EVERY one of those guys raise their whole leg to move their heel back to the rear of that pedal to go in reverse. I’ve literally may be only seen one or two guys one or two times leave their foot in place and rock it back and forth. Feel free to tell me your Kubota is a better Tractor but you literally cannot argue that moving your whole leg is easier than just moving the tip of your foot while your heel and leg stays in place….

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I hate to treadle pedal but I’ve only used one a handful of times. I’m sure guys who use it every day stop thinking about it.

[@projectswithjw]

I had an L3400 for awhile and the treadle aggravated my sciatic nerve on the right leg. It was absolutely painful to operate. The tractor itself functioned great otherwise

[@bigsway4414]

My step kids aggravate my sciatic nerve…

[@HarryVonhoene]

btw, hydrostatic transmissions can go from 2-3 hp to 1000+hp

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yeah, I know that they exist, and they use them in other equipment but you won’t see very many big ag tractors that are hydrostat. I realize I kind of implied that they might not be able to make them which obviously is not true so thank you for pointing it out

[@travisengland1368]

You only get 70% of your hp with a HST from what ive been told

[@sascotttx5145]

I like the T-shirt.

[@user-dn9vd9xg9p]

And how many hours have you used it? Ha ! Yeah and how many folks having problems with the 5075e shuttle shifter aka powerreverser ....among other problems....? A hell of a lot. It may last long enough for a few guys to plant their food plots to hunt once a year for a few hours. But, to depend upon it to make a living? Hell naw. Why doesn't JD have to recall all the issues they have? Back when made in the U.S. and computer and sensor free, not many issues back then and any mechanic including the farmer could repair them. Now mechanics depend on these diagnostic codes which are only as good as what's downloaded from JD. This is what happens when politicians accept $$$, from big corporate from pharma to food to our equipment. We have to live, or not live, with it. Corporate America 3rd party mfrd and 3rd party assembled should be held accountable for recalls ! F'ing unacceptable!!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I have 800 hours on it and doing a bunch of research for a later video I realized that people have more problems with clutches than they do. hydrostats The Truth About Hydrostatic Tractors kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXWZcoaAn6t5es0

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Hydro or I don't want it! Treadle for the win! Kubota strong! 😉

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I have no words

[@usmarshall336]

Not a LX3310

[@stump-bossBIll]

There’s more than ample evidence to strongly criticize both “Mean and Green” or Kubota strong, in the end it’s how well you know limits of machine , take care of it and have access to a top notch dealer for support 👍🏻😎

[@rgd2598]

Treadles are for old fashioned sewing machines. They are great if you are used to sewing up clothes for your Barbie doll. Lol

[@michaelthompson7570]

Even my 1975 yanmar diesel is shuttle shift,,working fine. Like your shirt,,,no chance of you going woke…..

[@klcameron709]

Thank you, for the information. I still don't know what to get. I will have the backhoe attachment, brush hog and tiller. I have 10 acres 1 acre wide. Hydrostat sounds good for my torain. But i don't want to lose power for the backhoe... 🤯🫤

[@rgd2598]

It won't affect power to the backhoe much... if any . Hydro is really nice for tiller as you can stop faster or slow down slower than a gear drive unless you ride the clutch... say if you get into some roots or tough ground. You can travel at ,for instance, 1/4mph ... barely moving... if needed and not have to ride a clutch . And there are many instances where that can come in handy .

[@PgetzkeFarmstead]

You won't. I have 12 acres and run a JD 3720 with the hydrostat. Perfect machine for maintenance and property development. Wouldn't hesitate to run 3 bottom plow with it.

[@klcameron709]

Thank you! I appreciate the advice! I know nothing about this and it's a lot of money to buy the wrong thing..

[@markziegler3551]

Hydrostatic transmission will definitely not affect a backhoe. A backhoe is run off of a tractors hydraulic pump which is independent of the Hydrostatic transmission.