Hyundai Ioniq 5 review - This electric car is VFM at Rs 45 lakh! | Drive| Autocar India

[@autocarindia1]

Chapters: 0:00 - Introduction 0:47 - Dimensions and design 2:05 - Platform 2:22 - Interior and features 5:37 - Safety equipment 5:50 - Rear seat space and comfort 6:55 - Vehicle to load (V2L) 7:11 - Boot and frunk 7:35 - Specifications 7:52 - Performance 8:29 - Drive modes 9:05 - Refinement 9:34 - Ride comfort and ground clearance 10:50 - Braking 11:48 - Handling 12:19 - Driving position 12:50 - ADAS 13:17 - Range and charging 14:18 - Price and verdict

[@winterfyter]

When can we expect a comparison between an EV vs Hybrid vs Diesel ICE ?? What would make sense in these confusing times ????

[@JithinJose2]

Ie, we can buy 2.5x Nexon ev top varient with the same price :)

[@akshaydhanorkar]

Fun Fact : There is no Hyundai logo on steering wheel, but instead there are 4 dots. The 4 dots represents letter H in morse code...!

[@N0Xa880iUL]

Coool

[@Abyss95]

Hedooni

[@shotbyvisshal2848]

Now thats cool

[@lord_cuddles26]

So, it's a Honda?

[@vkchawla2290]

​@@lord_cuddles26 😂

[@sathiyakumarrenganayagalu9783]

I bought the launch edition of this car 18 months ago. I´ve clocked 40000 kms so far. One of the best cars I have owned. Great value for this price in India. I wouldn´t think twice to buy it if I´m looking for an electric car. It'll give 500kms range easily in Indian conditions (highways)

[@theyeshhh]

can you share more of your experience? Would love to hear it.

[@theacechip]

What do you think about the lack of spare tyre ? Does it worry you during long trips ?

[@sathiyakumarrenganayagalu9783]

@@theacechip Not in where I live. Roads are good and I have very good roadside assistance included in my insurance (they will basically come and fix it within 30 minutes. I am not sure about India and I dont have any experience using the tire repair kit in cars.

[@Zesty_Soul]

In your first comment, you suggest Ioniq 5 to be perfect car for Indian conditions. In your latter comment, you counter that by saying, not sure about how it would fare in India. Which country/city have you been driving your Ioniq 5 in?

[@sathiyakumarrenganayagalu9783]

@@Zesty_Soul Read my comments carefully. I didn´t say anywhere that it's the perfect car for Indian conditions. I said it´s a great value car for the price in India if you are considering electric. I live in Europe, so I can´t comment about the lack of spare wheels and it´s impact india. In the past ten years we had to use only once the spare wheel in our parent's Honda in India. That´s my only experience.

[@shyampsunder2003]

First car in India that is very close to international prices compared to the usual 2x. US prices are around 48k for the long range version which is around 40L INR

[@farhankhatri4937]

Import taxes 🥲

[@shyampsunder2003]

@@farhankhatri4937 only 15% import tax + 5% GST for this car versus 60%-100% for ICE + 50% GST + 18% Road tax in Bangalore

[@unknownanimist2200]

@@shyampsunder2003 it also depends on the rupee value and inflation

[@raghavendravishwas5929]

​@@shyampsunder2003why it has low import tax?

[@shyampsunder2003]

@@raghavendravishwas5929 Electric car has very low taxes

[@taljeetsingh1545]

I never skip when Nikhil reviews a car

[@NikhilOnCars]

😊

[@faisalch6283]

So am I.

[@mrhowmuch]

This Hyundai looks like a proper car from the future , excellent work from the design team...

[@somansharma13]

there is no doubt that IONIQ 5 is a looker for sure

[@dfsdh432v9]

My mom had a 2016 Kia Optima and the engine caught fire on the highway driving to p.a from nyc and they told her it was her they couldn’t pay cuz it was to much damage to determine where the fire started even tho that engine was recalled and they gave it back to her a few weeks before saying it was fine

[@ultimateopportunist9074]

Just in case we forget, he always reminds us that he's just under 6 ft tall.

[@vijay9898]

Amazing smooth car, did 16K in North America , cant think of going back to gas

[@ashaydatar976]

The production value on this video is just 💯. Great job to the team!

[@RajSingh-xw1bo]

It's a looker just like all new cars from the Koreans, it's the delorean of the present, and it totally stands out because of futuristic retro looks

[@MDK2306]

That speedbreaker you guys used for GC looked like the most well made one I haven't yet come across in MH.

[@ashok729]

These are not speed breaker by any standard for India 😂😂

[@Zesty_Soul]

Some of the misses: 1) Rear seat ventilation; 2) AWD option; 3) No spare tire option (important if it needs to become your only car also for highway use); 4) Ground clearance to be at least 15-20 mm more; and 5) The option/availability of the more powerful 77.4 kWh battery pack.

[@vijayjan8608]

Price is good. Plus no road tax.

[@rutwickgangurde3247]

I saw it yesterday. I walked upto it to see which car it is. Looks amazing.

[@literallyankur]

Car looks amazing and all, and I definitely can't afford it yet. But who tf at Hyundai decided to give white bezels to that display? I just don't get this. Displays (almost) all over the world get black bezels for a reason. Even If I could afford it, every time I would get inside, those big bezels would remind me of where I spent those 45 lakhs. I know they fixed it in Ioniq 6, but still they should not have put those white bezels in ioniq 5 in the first place, specially when it costs that much. Rant over.

[@rahulan5026]

End of the day it's a Hyundai. They are trying to pretend like luxury car manufacturers like the big 3 german car manufacturers. Don't know who is going to spend 50 lakhs on a Hyundai.

[@raghavjsankar3004]

Automakers should fix bezels period I dont want a 2013 ipad on a 40+ lakh car

[@SumitBisht0]

there are aftermarket brezels/tempered glasses for this. But yes, agree with your rant.

[@shrirangpatil007]

Great car and more importantly, a great review by Nikhil. This guy never disappoints whenever he is on the screen. Most importantly, he explicitly calls out the things he didn't like or thought to be told. Renuka could learn a bit or two from him. A reviewer concerned more about his viewers than the corporates always strikes the cord with the audience better than anyone else. Autocar should bring more reviews by Nikhil. This person is a treat to watch on YoutTube when it comes to automobiles.

[@ussvmehar7352]

Renuka is a please all

[@chevvakulasrikanth9260]

To sum things up, "A sensible car for the rich."

[@ak4i.anirxddh]

Should have bought the 77 KwH and Dual Motor version in India. Very good review Nikhil!

[@manishdanwar]

Hasn't the Ioniq 6already launched in other countries?

[@AngryMaverick]

plz do a comparison with ev6

[@RabbilChoudhary]

Very well reviewed! Love the way it looks! Autocar please upload a few review videos, if not all of the videos that you upload, in 50 fps. 30 fps is fine for other stuff, but for some car reviews and stuff please upload videos in 50 fps! That'd be great! ✌️

[@bloodorwater]

Although can't be compared but Get the Volvo XC40 Recharge and have greater Value from your Buy !!! 408 HP, 660 nm, AWD, 320+ Kms Real World Range , Ground Clearance of 171 mm, 19 inch alloys, 0-100 4.9 secs, Top Speed of 180 kmph & ADAS for 59.3 Lakhs on Road

[@shyampsunder2003]

Real range is even lower unfortunately. If you use the 400 HP on highways, expect to see sub 200 KM range. I have test driven it. Other points are true.

[@bloodorwater]

@@shyampsunder2003 Generally I tend to discount around 125 kms from the claimed range when it’s an EV so since it’s 418 kms in the test cycle it should give 300 in the real world at least when driven nicely

[@shyampsunder2003]

@@bloodorwater discount should be in terms of percentage of KMs and not fixed KMs. I extensively test drove both the XC40 and MG ZS EV and bought the ZS EV. For my trips I only assume 50% of the ARAI range because I drive with a heavy right foot. Others in community get upto 70%

[@bloodorwater]

@@shyampsunder2003 Hmm, It may be the case with 4 Wheelers, in the S1 Pro I have I am able to achieve the claimed figures in normal mode but then again theres weight and capacity too.

[@shyampsunder2003]

@@bloodorwater Ya unfortunately the ARAI testing for 4W is too optimistic. I think mainly because of higher speeds in cars and AC

[@metaforically]

Isn't there a new version out?

[@someordinarystan2692]

Ground clearance will be a issue for sure. Also no leather seats at this price? Will customers buy in the ecofriendly bs at this price? Maybe it does,I don't belong on customers group Hyundai is targeting so I have no idea. Seeing the ex showroom price with 5% ev tax, this should make it slightly lower than GLA

[@vikingslgriba4389]

How many years the battery last? Will it be costly to replace battery?

[@maneeshpherwani]

Hi Team Autocar When are you planning to showcase the ADAS features and the range test on this car?

[@MdAbdurrahMAN747]

I Prefer the Best Futuristic Engineering Design EV My Only Option in the World🌎🇰🇷 Hyundai IONIQ 5 🤩😎

[@lifehomeware]

Excellent work 😊

[@s.j]

Why do you have to drive the car in Mumbai for a proper review.. what's so scary in Sriperumbudur..

[@shravanshetty1222]

Just a random thought- Petrol vehicles will make you spend your money all through time of your usage, whereas Ev in one shot during purchase. Now my question is what is the underlying benefit if one goes for Ev ?? Money which was suppose to be spent in petrol & maintainence will be absorbed by this kind of baseless exorbitant Ev Pricing...

[@bmnihaal]

Add battery replacement cost after 8 years which is typically atleast 40% of the car value

[@karanvirsinghdhillon8589]

Having the same pet peeve myself, that's an issue, which almost all cars I've driven, suffer from. As most event in my GLC, Kushaq & F Pace

[@adii100788]

Please do Ionic 5 and Atto 3 comparo

[@Bound2yeezy]

Beautiful road presence..

[@ihunam341]

Why is storage space so important in all Indian car reviews Features ..features features Please talk some engines

[@asharudheen]

Just the white big bezel in the Display doesn't match the overall color theme

[@mohitdhiman5604]

4 dots that you on the steering of this car means 'H' in Morse Code. At 4:22 when you say there's no Hyundai logo, you are absolutely wrong. You guys should probably do more research and understand why engineers do what they do.

[@NikhilOnCars]

H in Morse Code isn't a Hyundai logo, is it?

[@mohitdhiman5604]

@@NikhilOnCars Hn H in morse code on steering wheel in a Hyundai made car is H for Honda or H for Heejda.... but not Hyundai. Got it Genius!

[@mohitdhiman5604]

@@NikhilOnCars BTW this attitude doesn't suit you. At all. Your production quality, dialogue delivery is basic AF for years. Your research on a car is as good as Ravish Kumar's research in foreign affairs. Maybe you can take some cues from Hagerty and learn from them instead of coming back with lame arguments with attitude.

[@NikhilOnCars]

@@mohitdhiman5604 i just pointed out that there's no logo. Which is what you'd expect to see on a steering! It's unnatural to go feeling about for Morse codes! Come on! Also, parallels with Ravish Kumar in any way is a compliment :-)

[@mohitdhiman5604]

@@NikhilOnCars The fact that Ravish Kumar don't even pick foreign affairs because he is intellectually paralyzed and you taking it as a compliment justifies your competence. 🙂

[@Reddylion]

Nice

[@unclsam6798]

Should have been priced around 30 - 35 lakhs. Nice car..

[@superfingers801]

It should have been priced 35 RS/-

[@yomamasohot6411]

@@superfingers801 i would only buy it at 20 bucks.

[@ishanmajumdar443]

Question: Why is there no mention of any comparison with the Atto 3. That has 201 bhp and almost all the features of Ioniq 5 but is 10-12 lakhs cheaper? 45L price tag appears too steep. Kia EV6 pricing is still understandable as it is an AWD and much more powerful but this is a RWD with almost the same power as Atto 3. I dont understand the premiumization.

[@siddharthsurana7]

It’s bigger than the atto 3 along with much better range. The wheelbase is longer and hence the space and the boot.

[@Wisteria-090]

the ioniq 5 has been tested worldwide. The atto 3 doesn't seem to hold the same reputation.

[@pratikkeni]

@@Wisteria-090 BYD is currently Top player in ev. they surely tasted it.

[@ishanmajumdar443]

Not so sure if all the above points justify a 33% premium ... after all BYD may be a new entrant in India but it is the largest selling EV co in the world, selling more than double of Tesla (so much that Tesla imports BYD's battery technology) ..... also, there is no way on the planet that Hyundai and Kia can command any kind of brand premium ... they are no Merc or Porsche or BMW so that part is out of question ... personal view: people should pick the BYD Atto 3 over the Ioniq 5 anyday!!

[@kiranm6749]

Steering wheel adjusting issue is okay bro they built this car for average people .. ur above average .. suv is segment for u..

[@abymathew295]

One minute of silence for the people who paid 70 lksh for an EV6

[@theelectricmile474]

Lol noo.EV6 has more brutal power& range

[@sumitkanrar]

Host is amazing

[@_MS__]

Let’s wait for Autocar India to test the GC on the truck breaking speed breakers at Panvel / Thane and crater pot hole roads of Mumbai then we will know how good that ground clearance is. 😂

[@lifeisbeautiful9347]

Guys when will you start a real time review we Indians travels in packs like 5 people in a car and huge luggage why don't you do that a real one with 5 people and language and in the city at peak hours in summer then we will know the range the ground clearance, what if tyre got punctured how to get it repaired by ourselves and how easy it is? I don't think any reviewer can do this

[@jayeshmv]

True , very few talk about the headlights as well, presence of UV cut glasses etc.

[@SuyashBansal]

Please do videos in 4K & improve the video quality! 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@Icemortis7621]

It's worth to buy!

[@thindriver3307]

Safety rating? Ground clearance will be an issue.

[@Bound2yeezy]

For sure , its a cuv

[@harshad5438]

Not even a year and I'm back here to verify the VFM quotient, but this time of Mahindra BE 6 😌

[@ideasforu358]

Make what you will. An on- road price would be nothing short of 55 lakhs. With current electric charging infrastructure with limited fast charging and most of the energy produced in India is with Coal, there is no carbon offset.I am not sure where I am saving going electric. Surely not the planet or my pocket.

[@chetan16289]

yes ...people still dont realise that...I also dont believe Electric is worth to buy ..whether it be for environment or for the pocket...

[@CHIRANJIBNANDY1]

The price makes it so more attractive.

[@Ashuukumar007]

Hey Autocar India ! When is the new BMW X1 series review? Curious to kno your review after the initial launch impressions going down hill

[@NikhilOnCars]

We're just as curious to see how those figures translate on to the road. Drives will start soon!

[@Ashuukumar007]

@@NikhilOnCars oh yeah mate. 136ps and 150ps diesel ain't as expected when other countries are getting better engines. Can't wait for your review ❤️ excited 😆 cheers

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

the new HYUNDAI Ioniq 5 Sense (NE) EM17A iSMARTOne® 74.3 kWh 5-Dr eHatchback (RHD) could do with a bit more ground clearance (212 MM), atleast then maybe it'd justify the crossover claim to some practical extent . . . retail should be no more than Rs 33.6 lakhs based on what is being offered . . . hope HMI will launch the AWD twin-motor variant in the near future, the HYUNDAI Ioniq 5 Rave (NE) AWD EM17A iSMARTwo® 82.0 kWh 5-Dr eHatchback (RHD) is more value for money than other variants, considering the exorbitant premium price . . . HMIL should seriously consider launching the HYUNDAI Staria (US4) AWD + 0.5 in. Lift 2.2 TDI I4 5-Dr Luxury Minivan (RHD) in India . . . it'll be worth every penny . . .

[@TheLocalSetup]

Make in India please!

[@shyampsunder2003]

Already made in India. It's CKD and hence the competitive pricing.

[@dogaredeemer2711]

BYD seal ten times better at close price range.. or atto 3 which is cheaper

[@naveenn6235]

Compare it with Kia ev 6

[@abhibrandy]

Great car but I'm surprised that Hyundai launched the Ionic 5 & not the Palisade. An electric car at almost 50 lacs vs a full size 6 seat SUV capable of giving the Fortuner a run for its money. My money is on the Palisade..

[@forever_momentss]

Comparing palisade to fortuner? Lol palisade is way more costly and a segment above than fortuner

[@forever_momentss]

Can you spend 1cr on palisade

[@abyalex235]

We need to see a road trip in this like the porsche taycan.

[@KanwarAnand]

There are 15-17 things I love about my ZS EV. But for approx 20 lacs extra this car is a show stealer in every aspect. My ZS EV replaced my super Elantra.

[@kpratapreddy6851]

Just now i saw this car it's very good but the rate may be more. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Asha143]

Nice car

[@rahulan5026]

End of the day it's a Hyundai. They are trying to pretend like luxury car manufacturers like the big 3 german car manufacturers. Don't know who is going to spend 50 lakhs on a Hyundai. If one is spending this much money it's better to buy a BMW i4, at least it's a well engineered car. @2:23 who even does an extremely awkward white thick Bessel for the screen, @12:36 these clearly show the lack of experience (that is a basic ergonomics a car need) and poor engineering of a car. For an enthusiast, Hyundai's steering feel and feedback is a disaster. So I wouldn't consider this if I have a 50 lakh budget.

[@38djw8swj]

When it comes to ev, Hyundai is more premium than any cars except Tesla. Also only Hyundai has V2L and 18m charging. Hyundai is EV of the year and Kia is faster than Bmw. Ioniq6 is the longeset range in the world in that segment.

[@rahulan5026]

@@38djw8swj It's not about the fastest, efficient... it's about the comfort, convenience, drivability. These are the most basic things, if a car doesn't provide these fundamentals things, it's a proper waste no matter what all specs and features it offer. Like I said you can clearly see, (from the timestamp I mentioned above) the basic ergonomic flaws which can irritate you in a daily drive which cannot be tolerated for a 50 lakh car.

[@38djw8swj]

All you said are your taste or imagination while ev of the year is actually praised in every aspects by experts. Low specs are busy to spec up than care and handle other things, just disasters. Bmw evs are rebadged Samsung auto LG mobility, can't compare with ev of the year.

[@NukedAbe]

Man you are jealous. Hyundai is well engineered than Bmw. Specs and engineering can't go opposite. Ev of the year means everything is good. Bmw should open mouth after win ev of the year or catch up kia's specs. Time has changed, Korea have IT, 6G and battery so king of ev. Hyundai is new Samsung and Bmw is just a Nokia.

[@rahulan5026]

@@NukedAbe jealous 😂😂 why should I? Am I the owner or shareholder of BMW company? As you can see from the timeline, they haven't got the basics right. Then what's the point of having huge specs? If you are a Hyundai fanboy, ignore the comment.

[@38djw8swj]

Hyundai is premium ev. Only Hyundai has V2L and 18m charging. Hyundai is EV of the year and Kia is faster than Bmw. Ioniq6 is the longeset range in the world in that segment.

[@todaytrendz8375]

There is no Hyundai Logo in steering but if you watch closely it says H in moore's code

[@vineeygamer]

This car is cool and all, but I think its cost is still pretty high. Compare it with a ~30 lakh luxury petrol/diesel SUV and you would still be saving a lot more money over the years than this EV.

[@svkguha]

Would take a BYD Atto over this.

[@aayushkadam7610]

Lancia delta integrale HF vibes

[@NikhilOnCars]

Nice!

[@subaiph]

it's not practical to be a mass market car in Indian road because of its position in the higher price tag and I think Hyundai too knows it well that's why it's importing here and attracting a lot of tax

[@killswitch9191]

can it go through water?

[@blazekazama1793]

For 45L? No way dude. Electrics are still too expensive in India imo.

[@MrNokiax201]

Is it me or the green licence plate looks just out of place. On any ev car

[@Ahda108]

70k at the stealerships with inferior specs in every way compare to the model Y selling for about 47K after EV cr

[@L.-..]

Its not hyun-dai.. its hun-day..

[@Sauravwtf]

Competing against that Kia ev.

[@kitkat584]

I first saw it while I was stuck in very long traffic (10 km). I thought it would be around 20 to 25 L max. But I was shocked to know it's price. Very costly. Not worth it because electric cars have almost 0 resale value.

[@shubhajitchakraborty668]

that was not speed breakers Indian roads have..i wonder what would happen when it goes on real speed breakers..dhaam!

[@Shuttu14]

Not sure what is the target audience of this channel in India. This car is affordable for your subscribers, really.

[@NikhilOnCars]

There's a difference between affordable and VFM, Raj!

[@vikasbarolia7947]

Retro editing looking worst.

[@uditrajvanshi3644]

Get you eyes checked 😏

[@vikasbarolia7947]

@@uditrajvanshi3644 First watch this video.

[@-._._._.-]

👌 but 30--35lakh is okay

[@harishreddy7986]

I found that location is good water that car

[@Gentry_Yt]

One would have spent that amount If the car was from VW but a 45 Lakh Hyundai is a big NO.

[@kushsaraogi]

Nik Sir Is Bac With a Car Wich is Arguably Just Straight out from a Sci-Fi Mvie .. Its Pixel Lights Remind me of the "The Cars Movie" .. 🫶

[@athilsageer]

The interior gives me Omni vibes

[@netke6177]

I would prefect cyberster rather at same cost

[@AnweshAdhikari]

❤

[@kartiksharma19970]

भगवान जल्दी से बिक्री बढ़े, हुंडई की

[@Lohith_Logistics]

45L 🤕😡.. We Takes 5L sec handle Swift or i20 It's only enough leave for our usage 😅

[@afjalur_]

You look like CARVERSAL youtuber 🤔

[@rashmiranjanbaral2115]

What a carrr🔥🔥🔥

[@Sauravwtf]

Problem with EVs, is their resale value. An average chacha from a village knows batteries degrade overtime. 45 lakh you invest, after 2 years of regular use, battery might come down below 80 percent health. Goodluck finding a buyer. And if you keep for 5+ years, boom, that car turns into a tin can, no use for you, no use for anyone else. 45 lakh, gone. No resale. Yes, there is battery warranty, replacement schemes from certain companies, but that will change when EV becomes mainstream. This is such a detrimental direction for the automobile industry. And dont even start about the mining of battery resources. There isn't enough nickel and cobalt and lithium in the planet for a road full of EV.

[@shyampsunder2003]

Lol. You have no idea buddy. Why would any manufacturer give 8 or 10 year battery warranty if the battery is gone in 5 years? These batteries will last longer than the life of the car itself. Tesla's have higher resale value than ICE vehicles and as ICE vehicles get banned in the future, expect to see Delhi diesel situation play out everywhere and sell ICE vehicles for scrap.

[@automotives902]

Why are the screen bezels white they look ugly

[@DineshBhojwani1]

Everything about the Ioniq is excellent except the suspension.. it’s too stiff!!

[@maskedhunter7001]

Much much better than chapri fortuners out there

[@anant2879]

Customized maruti 800

[@muhammedsuhail6946]

Did he just say Zoro😅

[@NikhilOnCars]

YeZ!

[@confidential4712]

This is still not value for money..

[@Apster]

Just because you can’t afford it doesn’t mean it isn’t VFM.

[@sanjubs3830]

@@Apster Just because you may afford doesn't mean its VFM too .

[@vipinkumar-rn2op]

Buy 800 for budget vfm 🤣

[@Apster]

@@sanjubs3830 It’s all about perspective you’re just proving my point.

[@manvith21]

Yea because of Indian taxes

[@SACHINACHARYA]

*le some 🍕🍔 journalists ARAI claimed range of 437Km on Nexon EV Max is suspicious & far from true. Its white interiors will get dirty & are hard to maintain clean. Same🍕🍔 journalists when MNCs' EVs This offers ARAI claimed range of 600+km, which is true. (Bcz it's not Indian brand) this offers white plush premium looking interior theme which increases ambience.

[@NikhilOnCars]

Hey Sachin, White seat issue - 5:29 Range - 13:30 Please don't be in a hurry to type furious comments. Chill and watch the video :-) Nikhil

[@srivatsansrinivasan7657]

Another butthurt tata fangay

[@taurus50000]

Lol cant believe you are comparing this with a nexon.

[@rashmiranjanbaral2115]

Dude comparing with Nexon😂😂😂 and range complaints are from users itself go and read forums team bhp threads on nexon ev range…. IONIQ 5 is the world car of the year 2022 .. Show some respect .. No one comes close in the segment

[@SACHINACHARYA]

@@NikhilOnCarsI Didn't generalise everyone. That's why * 'some' *. Hope you understand what I was about to say 🙄 and won't be 😠furious.

[@balaramjagdish]

When did 45L become VFM!!!c'mon Autocar india get a life.I understand you calling it a good electric car but VFM seriously???

[@shreyashkolhe7887]

And then autocar gives award to kia ev6……lol exposed😂😂😂

[@vishweshswaminadhan4337]

45 lakhs? VFMs? Right 😂