Bill Cipher vs Sans - One Minute Melee S5 EP10

[@bluedarkdarklin2552]

Bill: Hope their franchise bombs or wathever. *Sans gets in Smash* Bill: ... Oh *c'mon*

[@killerkirby366]

Bluedark Darklin as a skin for a miinfighter

[@OidBuddy]

@@killerkirby366 least it dosent have a mii face like any other mii costumes

[@spec7923]

@@killerkirby366 and you know, his own music in the game and the fact that even though he's a skin he's probably more talked about that most fighters in the game. He also is getting more hype than their waste of a slot Terry which is ironic cause people were saying Sans would be a wasted slot but then sakurai puts in Terry, I can't make this shit up

[@scarlight3852]

@@spec7923 You realize how important Terry is to the history of fighting games in general? He's been the mascot character for SNK fighting games since they first dropped KOF 1 which by the way pioneered that gaming genre. For those who either did their research or know the slightest bit about the history of the fighting game genre they'd understand the importance of SNK, KOF and Terry.

[@theoddronin1]

@@spec7923 is this a bad time to mention that SSB was inspired by a play session of King of Fighters by Sakurai? This is important because, pay attention kid, one of the fighters in that game..,JS TERRY BOGARD.

[@jalfire]

For those of you that said it was an unfair fight, They were both beaten by kids

[@skullcrushermusic7940]

Jalfire bill was beat by a dog

[@tost5936]

WELLLLLLL bill was actually beaten by grunkle stan and ford so he was beaten by 2 very aged and experienced people who know a lot about bill and how he works

[@moostar2615]

roasted

[@tost5936]

Epepe XD yep

[@rax279]

Jalfire A kid that can reverse time, dodge bullets, lasers and lightning, destroy universes with just a slash, one shot the entire underground and come back to life whenever they want to.

[@sunnynxtes]

I love how accurate this is to Bill's character

[@99fears51]

Fr

[@WielderVolo]

@@99fears51 it was a joke stupid

[@No.1RatedSalesman]

I LIKE EM HES GOT REAL [Sales Pitch]

[@BenT-ls6gd]

@@No.1RatedSalesmanpipis

[@fourthhorsemendeath218]

Love how Sans was slapping most of the fight then Bill just needed that one good hit to end it. The type of whacky reality warping i love

[@crazerunner336]

Preety much like in the game - you need to survive the whole fight, but once you hit him, it's over

[@The_Devil_Breaker_]

Sans only has 1hp, and deals 1dmg per attack

[@krowpan799]

@@The_Devil_Breaker_ 1 defense not 1 hp

[@blitz4779]

​​@@krowpan799 doesn't change that you only need one shot to kill him The issue is that you actually need to hit him lol

[@theendgame2978]

​@@crazerunner336the difference is bill cannot die

[@billydeandre]

If you say it’s unfair... Sans literally has one hp

[@MystMelly_UwU]

Thats never confirmed tho

[@korimckee2401]

Jeff the Killer Gaylord [Universal God] :p 2.0 But he has literally the lowest stats. He can be one-shoted by the STICK!

[@MystMelly_UwU]

@@korimckee2401 He had THE lowest STATS but his hp........we dunno

[@korimckee2401]

Jeff the Killer Gaylord [Universal God] :p 2.0 Yeah, but he still could've been demolished by the stick. He's still awesome though.

[@MystMelly_UwU]

@@korimckee2401 Yeah but since chara or frisk in the genocide route can 1shot anyone his hp could be 20? 150? It could be anything and he could just have low stats but thats all we know

[@Liuavano5124]

Neither of them can blink. Sans has no eyelids and Bill is technically winking

[@justjames4]

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[@3F34N1M4T3S]

KEL

[@cybeleobjectcosmos4776]

@@justjames4 bruh that sucks

[@hatandhoodie_]

Sans can close his eye sockets. He does so at various points throughout Undertale.

[@TerribleVA]

Oh my God you're...wait no sans does! How does he sleep?

[@Elmo9001]

I get that Bill is in a whole other league but this was still a great battle. Love the way Sans' eyes go dark and he immediately starts smacking Bill around as soon as he calls Papyrus "a perfect subject".

[@Vikt-vg8nz]

(fanon)

[@Galaxy_World]

Yep

[@Galaxy_World]

@@Vikt-vg8nz fanon

[@charliegalna1639]

Yea I now

[@TheGreatAshenOne]

Gaster though... now that's a fight I would like to see

[@Sleksin]

I like how people can just do whatever they want with Bill and have it work. Messing around with reality is kinda his brand.

[@wolfie6729]

Exactly

[@BillCipherandFreddyKreugerFan]

Facts

[@cain8160]

"Megalovania Plays" Me:oh yall know bill is done now *bill changes the music* Me: *_oh shit..._*

[@firstlast9500]

Bill can't really die so....

[@RayCasarezMusic]

😂

[@wc5502]

@@firstlast9500 imagine sans be like byeee and brings 1trillion more sans along to fight with him...

[@sitizuryanimsidik]

@@wc5502 That's gonna be a total disaster....but idt the other sans will cooperate...(especially Error..) And that's gonna make this story even more fun

[@jearbear3619]

He done for Also plz no curse

[@karnielcashumphries683]

Bill was basically going easy on him until he lost interest. That’s op

[@billcipher6337]

ye

[@billcipher9622]

Sure it is! But do I care? Nah

[@karnielcashumphries683]

@@billcipher9622 Lol

[@billcipher6337]

@@billcipher9622 oh my god its me

[@billcipher9622]

@@billcipher6337 hello me

[@cloudtheclod]

sans: gives all he has bill cipher: *S L A P*

[@emongrier5391]

*KO*

[@Copter560]

Dog: *STOP...* Dog: *HAMMER TIME*

[@cloudtheclod]

@@yuryonokasen9579 Yeah but bill lost to a dog

[@OzYpA]

Remember sans has one health so SLAP is CRITICAL DAMAGE

[@cloudtheclod]

@Nugget_Playsz sorry for the wait i was taking a shower, the answer is idk

[@bigmanwonderland2296]

Can we appreciate the fact that Sans was purposely stalling out to run out the timer and Bill Cipher wasn't having any of that with legit 1 second left in the fight? Lmao good detail.

[@mysticmind4563]

A nice little callback to the Dio vs. Sakuya battle.

[@cr820]

Great detail, yeah

[@seijakaczynski]

Ah yes a intesdimentional entity that has cosmic powers vs a skeleton that loves puns Edit:I regret making this comment

[@tootnoots]

fancy dorito vs smiley trashbag

[@onthegoog]

Doggy wins lol

[@seijakaczynski]

@@MrPepeton75 lmao it's not canon

[@Pancakesgaming-11]

*DIO!*

[@seijakaczynski]

@@Pancakesgaming-11 *JOJO!*

[@hermionegranger4823]

Nobody blink Me: * blinks * Bill cipher: * blinks * Sans: * blinks * Papyrus: * blinks *

[@painfulguess9429]

is it a blink or a wink? that is the question

[@hermionegranger4823]

Memoryhead the partygoer i don't know

[@cheese8055]

Asgore: Why am I blinking uncontrollably? Help...

[@hermionegranger4823]

CHEESE lord oh i forgot to memtion if you blink you're dead! Oh no everybody's dead! It's my fault!

[@cyanthestickman9933]

Wow. First Dantdm and now this. *Its big brain time with hermione granger*

[@rayisfeelingglitchy4979]

Stanford : * spends 30 years trying to figure out how to defeat Bill Annoying Dog : am about to end this whole man’s career

[@rayisfeelingglitchy4979]

Also known as Annoying Dog

[@exaltedfalcheon1793]

@@rayisfeelingglitchy4979 it took Stan 30 years. It took Chara a few hours

[@pedero__o]

Not really

[@Alolarnoe]

The hat of discipline is more powerful than anything in universe yes mmm

[@Alolarnoe]

I love this ed edd n eddy reference

[@RushWheeler]

The only advantage sans has in this fight is that Bill has killed hundreds of thousands of people, thus making it possible for him to use Karma

[@charizardfan5887]

It wouldn’t kill bill. Or he would out right dodge it but the only thing sans had going for him was speed being able to move at the speed of sound although bull can move faster than light in travel speed

[@andreasbonaparte8171]

Well Bill was from mindscape, as long as his enemy has a brain and able to think. Bill can't be defeated. Except you are stupid, then you win

[@charizardfan5887]

@@andreasbonaparte8171 lol completely forgot that I made that comment

[@cameronballz6154]

And that Bill has never really fought anyone with powers similar to his, while magic is normal for sans. Meaning sans is used to using projectiles and summoning things to fight, while Bill hasn't really battled anyone like that.

[@charizardfan5887]

@@cameronballz6154 Yeah, sans does have more experience while fighting, but bill takes every other category. Even speed goes to bill, while sans is most likely at the speed of sound, bill is around the speed of light and can. Teleport(sans can teleport too but he gets very third rather quickly)

[@dylanaroberts97]

Bill Cipher won the battle. **Sans gets into Smash** But Sans won the war.

[@painfulguess9429]

someday in the future *INTRODUCING NEW SMASH CHARACTER* Dipper Pines! (hah you thought bill? nah)

[@shovelmp4971]

Dylan Roberts very good you fucking killed it with that speech

[@JusticeTobiichi]

When sans says you have won the battle but I have won the war

[@voxhul2289]

Bill would be too op. He literally killed time baby with a snap of his fingers. Bill shits on almost any smash character

[@notkeane]

The thing is no one would want bill cipher in smash bros anyways.

[@sanstheskeleton9972]

Toby fox:*uses ban hammer* Bill cipher:* gets kicked from server*

[@Gaminz]

Bill cipher:* still wins anyways*

[@poodarts]

I think the dog won, and Bill rage quit.

[@LowTierKon]

I love how people think sans is a dodging god when all he did was move too the side Can’t bill just turn sans into a chocolate bar or something

[@aliyeakman1728]

Yes.

[@LowTierKon]

The Curiouswho said anything about him tho” 🤔🗿

[@aliyeakman1728]

@The Curious Althought asriel is mutli universal when bill with weirdmaggedon is Multiversal And it was stated that bill could survive the destruction of the universe (timeline) Also, he's not gonna get absorbed by hyper goner, he travelled from milky way to another galaxy in mere seconds, making him the faster than every undertale character, so he could escape hyper goner

[@ThePagerDude]

@The Curious because he died to the hyper goner thing cuz he was not a ''good person''

[@justjames4]

@@aliyeakman1728 Asriel is multiverse level, not "multi-universe level". Also it's not "multi-universe level", the proper term is "low multiverse level".

[@w2reach2]

This is the coolest fight I've seen Sans used in, I love it. Easily the best representation of his moveset, and the moment with tilt was cool as all get out

[@OtisMatthews-l5r]

Otis 😚

[@mdalsted]

"Here's my business card." *grabs the text box and uses it as said card* THAT is some BEAUTIFUL fourth-wall-breaking! XD

[@TBird136]

69 likes now thats nice

[@erikacortezornelas7486]

Martin D. hola

[@Fireevan14]

Also this whole battle was Bill just playing with Sans. Could have ended the fight before it even started lol. Totally on brand for Cipher

[@dozi5497]

im so mad

[@_MaMaSs_]

@@dozi5497 You're really strong too :p

[@_MaMaSs_]

@JIVER Gaming Well that's true but I don't really care. He's still quite strong, but of course there are people stronger than him. A lot stronger.

[@agreengaming3959]

JIVER Gaming ye cause characters in their universe are not made to fight other characters is other universes cause sans was OP in undertale but may net be as strong as others as he was not made for that ya feel me?

[@DXRKSPXCE]

Indecipherable

[@TheGerry236]

Sans just fought a god

[@endcyclesanos5065]

*And bill Get rekt by another one,F

[@K.Pershing]

@@endcyclesanos5065 ye but toby scriped out him

[@ardaaltun6425]

Doggo boi is stronger than the god

[@CeaseLessWheel-]

You gotta give him credit for lasting a minute lol

[@justarandomsticknodesanima2176]

Technically bill is stated to be a demon

[@SEESOBEESO]

This series proves that a lot of things can happen in a single minute.

[@Theguywiththefries]

Ikr, the fight did not feel like one minute

[@dongjoonshin5951]

Who else blinked right after they said “Nobody Blink”?

[@YourLocalNo0ne]

You're an absolute madlad

[@hankjwimbletonfakeone9981]

LOL

[@MiniLeafK]

U rickrolled me

[@slogus]

Me. edit: I did it twice

[@Izeas69]

@@MiniLeafK how

[@DLS_195]

Bill: gets blasted a million times Sans: gets slapped once and gets K.O

[@jameychapman7958]

he has 1 hp in the game :|

[@icecreamflavouredjunko599]

@J C Game files state that he has 1 hp.

[@sensidog1]

He has 1 hp in the game have you even watched undertale?

[@firstlast9500]

well to be fair bill controls everything so he could just snap sans and kill him instantly

[@iakintloin9040]

@@firstlast9500 Bill can only do that in the dream world that's why he needs a host to exist in the real world even that he doesn't have his powers when he posse Dipper

[@burbusburbus8782]

Sans vs bill Winner: annoying dog

[@maketemmiegreatagain5246]

A basic name 3 THE HAT OF DISCIPLINE DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE!?!?!?!?!

[@jacore2618]

toby (who is the annoying dog) had the hat of discipline (which is not a character) so he won

[@ChunkyChungus]

At least undertale wins

[@cakepopdoodles398]

TobiTube11 go Undertale boii

[@cakepopdoodles398]

EthanJ0928 most Ut people know that you know

[@darklotus3956]

For a second I thought sans would win by stalling and never get hit but I forgot that Bill can stop time lol

[@kenkaneki5108]

Sans: I am inevitable Bill Cipher: And i have *Boss music*

[@isaiahdeleon2508]

Love it. 👍

[@Gaster60066]

Sans also has boss music

[@endcyclesanos5065]

Toby fox: and i.......im.......IM THE ADMIN xd

[@Copter560]

@@endcyclesanos5065 Dog: And I... Am god

[@simplyunchara]

Annoying Dog: bork

[@brandoncutler09]

Dog: You must be punished. Bill Cipher: ...what is that, doggie? Dog: The hat of discipline. DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE?! *Smashes Bill Cipher*

[@three3575]

undertale sucks

[@harambestombstone9127]

Yeth The Thing jesus christ why the hell are you so pissed off, is it cause he insulted your favorite game?

[@Set2Seth]

*_All is forgiven_*

[@shmegalodonschmuckington786]

"Thank you, doggie."

[@ato5375]

somebody gets it

[@lostkin4281]

I like how Toby fox comes out of no-where, grabs his hammer hat, and Vibe-checks Bill.

[@fandomkingdom6644]

It has a name!?!?

[@_oxKim_xo]

@@fandomkingdom6644 same question here

[@cosmakes]

bill: it was nice knowing ya.HAHA! but you have to die now toby: omaeowa mu shinderu

[@lostkin4281]

@@fandomkingdom6644 the dog represents the creator of undertale, aka Toby Fox, the character itself is called Annoying Dog.

[@narrativeless404]

@@lostkin4281 And "Annoying Dog" has no any powers at all xD It's just annoying

[@albertzhang6109]

This is the most best animated stuff I have ever seen in my whole entire life.

[@HyperFluffed]

Dont forget, sans’ attacks only do a stupid amount of damage in the genocide fight because of the karmic retribution trait that comes with a high level of LV. And bill here has done mass genocide to not only his entire species and planet, but also every other planet in his universe. Meaning that despite his win this fight for him is probably literal hell pain wise.

[@justjames4]

That ability has an effect where the opponent continues to take damage after the attack. Sans doing so much damage is something else, his attacks aren't extremely strong, they hit many times as long as the opponent is touching them which ends up doing a lot of damage.

[@monkegamer8060]

"sans 1 atack 1 defense" "bill chipper power of time time manipulation teleport in multiverse can go and get the soul of the people and yes"

[@garrettfish8471]

@@justjames4 I imagine the damage per frame multiplies based on LV and isn't just some sort of magic Sans casts on the enemy.

[@justjames4]

@@garrettfish8471 I can't confirm that since Frisk can't fight Sans without having the maximum amount of LV they can get before his encounter.

[@Caerot22]

he is also a dirty cheater, not accommodating to the fabric of reality and playing outside the rules, manipulating code perhaps?

[@roselia9408]

Sans, the perfect example of your character where you put all stat points to STRENGTH and INTELLIGENCE and nothin left for VITALITY

[@jasperbaunee1405]

i understand sans's struggle

[@pontiffsulyvahn9182]

Who told you about my build?

[@RareAquaria]

His strength is also 1ATK......

[@ADAJ342]

@@RareAquaria ,yeah, per f-ing frame

[@tamashi_soul]

He is the opposite of Maple from bofuru

[@SimulDatCor]

*CANT WAIT BOI! TWO LEGENDARY TROLLS FIGHTING EACH OTHER!*

[@ethiopiaqueen4257]

Sans:Ok it’s over your done for Bill:are you sure about that? Bill:does za waurdo with a snap of his fingers

[@vaquishers]

I felt that slap. It was so powerful, it traveled dimensions

[@benevolencev7204]

KO

[@SlapshotStudios]

ImmortalEmperorMaster MR CIPHER I DONT FEEL SO GOOD

[@aithanleeom5152]

It don't hurt because yeah I'm stubborn.

[@lidamargaritagonzalezdedia4312]

Like the slaps of Sr Pelo :v

[@matveyavtyshanko3827]

Bill no win sans win

[@DeltaRed12]

"Think the fanbase has got that covered already" Well, you got that right.

[@OidBuddy]

How about now?

[@zius2140]

I never understood why people hate the fanbase so much

[@kamwaty]

@@zius2140 1. And I know every fanbawe has this but it still doesn't excuse the fact that it has a........well.....NSFW side...and oh boy it can be even worse the sonics fanbase. 2. The game was overrated and although I'll admit for a damm good reasons still can't ignore the fact that having a somewhat negative opinion on it will end up you getting destroyed......with comments(a nice way to dead). But yo be fair there are alot more games who had a similar problem....notice how I'm being specific with HAD ...because I still don't feel safe saying it's not as good as other people say it is. 3. The fanbase it self have/had mindless argument which even now will probably never end(and I'm ignoring the theorists getting bashed like for example game theory although yes it didn't make sense....there website about people wanting him to delete his channel) 4. Everbody (including me) knows Sans Is best boi (you could also debate it's papyrus but I love the shorter ones personal😅) well people tend to overreact when he loses one of these well animated battles(I mean this also counts for the anime fanbase in general) and then just think "Who cares about the fact that he had no way of winning or the fact that they never say there facts I'll still hate this video because my favourite charachter died" or "I'll make a comment saying Sans in ten times stronger then....a 4th dimension being that has at this point godly powers" And don't get me wrong I still like undertale and the GOOD WHOLESOME and PUNS side of the fanbase(well maybe not puns but you get my point)....it's just hard to find it which isn't a good sign.

[@ivoneo2806]

​@@kamwatyI mean it's nothing new if people make NSFW art so eh, I guess but I disagree with that, I mean people who aren't in fandoms can get it too

[@ivoneo2806]

Not really

[@kingkurok3149]

I can't even be mad, that was freaking awesome, and honestly it was a perfect choice for Halloween, so great job guys

[@mechasaurus]

I would've had Shaco vs Joker or Scarecrow vs Fiddlesticks. There are a few DC vs LoL fights they could do.

[@unironicanimeprofilepictur8499]

ssj Kyto You can't be mad period. Bill would obliterate Sans in a second

[@SplixSyn]

Edupz exactly

[@bluekirby2830]

....... who won

[@Cooper907]

ssj Kyto I think next season, they should have Papyrus, and sans sent him to work on puzzles, he had to fight someone

[@Sadthegoose]

Bill may have won battle but sans was won the SEXIEST WAR

[@OmegaJ12]

Local Dorito picks fight with Skeletor

[@Leet-iz2fz]

A nacho fights a pile of dog treats to determine the better snack food

[@evilxd4]

So troll-alien-god dorito joined up with the angry green space dorito in the end, eh?

[@ianpaige1099]

Joshua Flores Nah dude...I laughed at the TF2 equip sound and the ranting from the Dog XD

[@christiansolano8742]

Joshua Flores I cracked up when I first read it nice one

[@MemeWarriorYT]

Who would win? One badass butt-kicking skeleton that can teleport, create super powerful magic attacks, or... A triangular dorito boi

[@kaivibes5433]

Who would win? A skeleton who tells cheesy jokes and who gets defeated in 1 hit by a child or a multi-dimensional dorito which has infinite power that of a god and that causes the end of dimensions,time and of course reality.

[@fezzih700]

Linen Badge the Doritos obsvily hahaha Think a skeleton do nothing all day or triangular with universal powers

[@AQWChancer]

@@kaivibes5433 oh yeah yeah would win get it right

[@hotsaucedraws7955]

You forgot the dorito has mind, matter, space and time manipulation. Can destroy dimensions and turn people to stone. As well as make people turn insane and more.

[@AQWChancer]

@@hotsaucedraws7955 WHAT DO YOU MEAN OH YEAH YEAH WOULD WIN GET. IT. RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE CAN SAY OH YEAH YEAH AND KILL THE DORITO IN 1 HIT

[@Caezzy]

That end is the greatest way to roast a community. Props dude

[@오주환-b1n]

Hi Caesar! And yeah, fair enough.

[@오주환-b1n]

Oh, by the way - you know, this actually makes sense in several ways, and I say that as an Undertale fan who likes Sans. On one hand, of *course* Bill won in the end - I mean, come on, from what I hear, he's practically a physical god. Sans is powerful, yes, but it's pretty obvious that Bill's just toying with him until that last second, considering that Bill can pull out pretty much anything he can imagine from his proverbial ass and isn't limited by the 4th wall in the slightest. It's like putting up a character against their author, except slightly more unfair. On the *other* hand, though, Sans is *AWESOME* in this. Yes, Bill wasn't even halfway serious until the very end, but to be fair, that "not halfway serious" is enough to utterly flatten many potential opponents. Sans using his Gaster Blasters is a given for him, but he used his telekinesis really well too - my favorite part was at 2:55, he used it to slam the halves of Bill together before bouncing him around like a pinball. And when Bill tried to do that super kick at 3:07, it totally failed, and if you look at Sans' position carefully when it fails, it appears that Sans used a teleport to dodge it. Finally, that "retconning Bill's location" thing? *Also* canon to Undertale. In short, Sans *knows* how to use his magic to bring the hurt, and he showed it.

[@cesarrodriguezjr.2607]

오주환 you forgot one thing sans can do! He can make ya feel the pain of the bad puns he makes! =^=

[@오주환-b1n]

Fair enough. XD

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

+Caesar Gaming You're not even good enough to be my fake. Get it? Cause we have the same name, no? Nevermind.

[@chancehosey6570]

I absolutely love that reference to ed, edd and eddy at the end (and you even got the correct sound effects, just yay).

[@dxgaming4200]

2:40 Bill saying “da fuk” is beautiful.

[@chxp_su3y]

Oh shoot he really said that? I wasn't paying attention

[@brandontempleman3921]

I didn't even notice

[@azurneon]

Ikr

[@solotheepic3392]

True

[@solotheepic3392]

It is beautiful

[@thatonestar7978]

Im glad some one remembers sans dies in one hit edit: OML thank you for all the up votes !!

[@stagdragon3978]

It's why this fight felt oddly relatable to Bill in trying to get my solidworks to run. The whole time I'm just getting the shit kicked out of me. But the moment I figure out wtf is going on it's all downhill from there.

[@jackplus3498]

Sans can handle determination therefore he can't die in only one hit, even though his HP says 1

[@stagdragon3978]

@omegaplaze08 NO! Bill chipper is the best!

[@stagdragon3978]

@Omega NO! Drill pitcher is best!

[@thatonestar7978]

Jack PLUS then why tf did he die in one hit in the game And don’t say it’s cause frisk was more power full or determined cause bill is more in both aspects

[@dextro1179]

Anyone: *says something bad about Pap* Sans: So you've chosen death.

[@calmcometsuop5746]

bill cypher: no

[@AyoAce2]

Bill: no you have

[@RabbitFrame]

Bill: * Slowly pulls out an uno reverse card *

[@hypexlol2562]

:sans…. Ready to have a bad time ??

[@UnknownBf7905]

I find it super cool the 1 min timer paused too when Bill stopped time. Real 4th wall breaker.

[@saraskyline8331]

How to get cancer in every video where Undertale loses a fight: Turn on newest comments

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

Imagine using cancer as an insult in 2020, still living in the past I see

[@saraskyline8331]

Cesar Melendez yes because it was 2020 6 months ago..

[@fakedan6568]

@@cirnosnumberfan6449 imagine trying to discredit cancer as a homonym for toxic, as if it does not exist. Living like an idiot I see

[@saraskyline8331]

Cesar Melendez S T O O P I D

[@gold_plant_master]

Jesus 4 years ago and you're still right "adapt to time stop" what does that even mean? These sans stans are crazy.

[@JozlynMoon]

He kicc He Attacc But most importantly He *Smacc*

[@pm2rshall]

XD Oh wait hai! I love your animations :3

[@JozlynMoon]

Team Zoella Xb ty

[@pm2rshall]

@@JozlynMoon no prob :3

[@aniracheani2408]

U mean *SUCC*

[@pm2rshall]

@xPhantomToxic XD

[@AVGyerra22]

I mean, don't get me wrong I like sans more but there's no way in hell he could beat a dorito of death.

[@Guevilquexer]

HEY WE ALREADY HAVE OUR GREEN SPACE DORITO THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE

[@ಠ_ಠ-ಷ1ಬ]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Sazuyu]

The Most Delicious Dorito, The Powerful That Is

[@detriix]

Yea. Hes straight out the illuminati too

[@vocelia]

Who The Hell Is Dorito Death You meant God Of Demon Dreams

[@ollietomlinson3290]

I love how at the end it's just a video game he's playing. He's op.

[@Legoluke197]

“What is that?” Me: the hat of discipline. Do you live in a cave?

[@caranostalgico9249]

All is forgiven...

[@alexbaribeault]

I honestly don't know what it is

[@caranostalgico9249]

@@alexbaribeault Do YOU live in a cave???

[@MonSuper21]

@@alexbaribeault ed edd n eddy

[@nugget7133]

Luke Falciani heck no

[@FengTheSlayer]

Finally bill vs sans fight that doesn't include overrated memes

[@mrreyes5004]

I know right? They had a Freddy vs Jason and Ed Edd n Eddy reference here, but that's about it.

[@ht82smash]

Evan Plays Because One Minute Melee is badass! They don't have time for memes!

[@mrreyes5004]

Literally only one. Single. Minute. Sixty seconds. NOT Sixty seconds of memes! Sixty seconds of two combatants beating the crap out of each other in epic and hilarious ways before the timer hits zero! BTW I've heard Gaara vs Crocodile is the next One Minute Melee episode.

[@Set2Seth]

BloodStalker 500 and gaara lost *spoiler*

[@mrreyes5004]

Abysse Splash YES! My boy Crocodile won! I like both Crocodile and Gaara, but 1) Crocodile would reasonably be the winner since his sand powers are generally superior to Gaara's, and 2) I like Crocodile (and One Piece as a whole) slightly more.

[@assassinshark2455]

Anyone notice that San's has a big head? Obviously you guys did.

[@VanlaRiee]

XD

[@pewdiepieforlifekilltserie1482]

LOL

[@chara4170]

Becuse haves bit brain lol

[@QueenieKoopa]

it bothered me slightly and immediately lol but video was still too goood

[@puppetmastersasori6490]

How would you say sans plural? Sanses? Sanss? Sans’s?

[@superspartan8086]

I like how in classic Bill Cipher fashion we don’t actually ever see him try basically at all since the entire scenario is a joke to him

[@TeamOneDay]

The Hat of Discipline. *Do you live in a cave?!* Lovely reference, these are great.

[@TheRaziz321321]

Team PSB All is forgiven!

[@gamersmurf4549]

Huzzah! I wasn't the only person who got that!

[@shadowfury200]

thank you Rolf.

[@Alex_Mercer_The_PROTOTYPE]

Team PSB Gotta love that show

[@darkstone_official_2427]

I KNEW I REMEMBERED THAT HAT FROM SOMEWHERE! I just couldn't place the reference. Oh man that show brings back some nostalgia from the old days. Fuckin' Rolf was my favorite xD. Eddy at second and Ed and Edd at a tie for third. Rolf stole the show, honestly. *replays a video clip of Rolfs opera singing with the boomerang stuck in his pants* Rolf: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Me: x3 BAAAAHHHH HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA x'D

[@pessimisticbunny7289]

the hat of discipline. DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE?!

[@witcherstudios9351]

Pessimistic Bunny subulawa!

[@davidvulakh744]

All is forgiven.

[@SunGodNika-bi2jr]

Great nostalgia

[@theexecutioner5244]

Thank you Rolf.

[@dk_kd_1]

Eddboi

[@XenoflareBahamut]

a sad year for undertale fans their characters keep on losing

[@D_YellowMadness]

I was just glad to see Sans actually be in one of these & see him lose in a logical way. I figured he'd lose because, despite all the advantages he has, Bill Cipher is a lot more durable & a lot more powerful & he can regenerate.

[@sonicthehedgehog1606]

Exaflare Bahamut yeah that's when the undertale wank happens

[@CastleToastM]

You also have to consider that the main character in that game is just a small child, but yet is capable of wiping out all life in the underground.

[@thenigerianthunder]

Exaflare Bahamut Its cause all their characters are weak as shit

[@D_YellowMadness]

+The Nigerian Thunder True. Flowey, Asriel, Nappstablook, Mad Dummy, & the amalgamates are probably the only exceptions. Undyne has enough offensive power to suplex boulders for fun but, if you really want her dead, she won't have enough defense to last long unless you get her to transform which isn't likely. It's a big part of why it would be hard to use Undertale characters in Death Battles with any kind of fairness. If you include characters' hesitance to kill, you're breaking the Death Battle rules but, if you ignore a character's hesitance to kill, you're giving Undertale characters an unfair disadvantage because killing intent is mostly what determines how much damage someone does to most Undertale characters. Besides that, Sans is one of the few characters who gives us a pretty clear idea of his abilities because the gameplay leaves a lot of other characters' abilities up to interpretation but, because Sans breaks the rules & is animated doing things pretty much whenever & however he wants, we pretty much see what he can do for the most part. One exception is that we don't know how good he is at dodging. We know he can dodge a kid who's used to everyone just taking hits. We know he can wake up to dodge an attack from that kid but not dodge an additional hit right after. Can he dodge giant beams or are his movements not fast enough? We don't know. Regardless, he's probably not gonna win an endurance match against someone like Bill.

[@crypticseeker8468]

Be realistic people. Did you really think sans had any shot at winning once bill got serious or literally just against him at all? My thoughts exactly.

[@whyfightweallbreatheair]

Sans never stood a chance never had never would

[@crypticseeker8468]

@@whyfightweallbreatheair Exactly

[@jackour8167]

Sans is only universal at best. Bill is multiversal + low ball

[@HittingBedrock]

In weirdmageddon part 1 or 2, Ford tries to use a laser against bill because bill had a weakness to it. Considering sans' genius and 4th wall awareness, I'm pretty sure he could have modified his gaster blasters to do the same thing. That gives sans a huge advantage with the only real advantage cipher has at that point is time stop because sans can manipulate space in most of the ways that cipher can, and sans even time stops once in the game, never uses it in battle but I think we can assume that gives him at least minor resistance to time stop. Anyway, cipher probably would still win but sans has a bigger chance than you'd think

[@IDK-qq7ct]

@@HittingBedrock …no, just, no

[@heyitsjustaz]

I only just noticed for the first time that when Bill paused time, he even stopped the OMM clock. Sans never stood a damn chance.

[@kostgamebro8043]

Sans can stop time like when he did on Grillby's to ask us about Flowey

[@derpyhooves5117]

Yeaaaaaaa nah sans would win cuz he could have just dunked bill on if he wanted to.

[@heyitsjustaz]

@@derpyhooves5117 Weird you must be remembering some other timeline where we didn't just see him get his ass severely handed to him by a high dimensional entity!

[@arcasumoldovan4646]

dude, he can be killed by some kid with a stick, Bill is a fkin (almost) god

[@bonniethebunny3971]

ZA WARUDOO

[@Metalguy40]

I just love how Bill just pokes or nabs at Sans right here at 3:45. Just him like, “Yea remember that? That one quote everyone never shuts up about? Huh? GET IT??”

[@FrecklePeach]

Metalguy40 fucking right

[@bingo2underscores]

yeah that was honestly my second favorite thing about this video

[@鄧焯文]

Bill cipher: i always lose in cartoon fight club but I win this time

[@AnimationRewind]

Finally someone did this right. The way that AnimationRewind fella did Bill vs Sans... O_O

[@rivalrebby6353]

AnimationRewind Lol

[@dmua9551]

Yeah, that Animation Rewind guy.....

[@MonSuper21]

I'm assuming you unsubbed to AnimationRewind?

[@HyahMaster]

AnimationRewind ikr, that scrub did it way worse

[@greyhad6548]

Tfw even AnimationRewind called out AnimationRewind

[@JayCamm]

Bill really hit him with the "I like your cut G." at 3:29 Also 3:14 is classical Sans, the one we know and love. At 3:25, I thought Bill was gonna pull off some Bayonnetta type shit from smash bros or literally any fighting character from the more complex fighting games.

[@theCombine25343]

"watch yo tone"

[@yadirayepez4646]

Bill cipher: snaps his fingers and distorts time. Thanos: am I a joke to you?

[@Bumblebee2361]

Thanos VS bill cipher

[@notusingtheaccmynewchannel6099]

Thanos wins he has ♾ power lol XD

[@natedoesthings9355]

idot sans is a god get reket

[@smilingdiluc8537]

*yEs*

[@serjoerickii3262]

Depends if we are talking about the comics. Comic infinity gauntlet has killed gods before.

[@childmanmanreal]

Bill vs. Sans Winner: Toby fox. WAT

[@elpollito9358]

XD

[@samuelfowler6910]

What about Bill cipher vs the bad time trio and a condition. Bill Cipher can’t use powers or else the dog will come and send Bill Cipher back to the falls.

[@jefferycarter8673]

Well bill won he just got banned

[@agreengaming3959]

Samuel Fowler u just want bill to lose don’t u

[@Gaster60066]

Toby can do anything including not being able to die if he's in undertale The only way he can die is if he's in a diffrent universe Makes sense bacause he's the creator right?

[@8bitbuddy]

Fucking love Bill Cipher. My only complaint about this episode was I felt the dialogue moved just a liiiiiittle too fast. But this was a good fight.

[@rookiboilegendry4482]

blasttothemax no he wouldnt. Yang gets stronger the more damge she takes

[@z2pooky4youo93]

Kirbykid: Do you know Bill Ciphers weaknesses are?

[@_kenemon_]

RWBYshitters ruin a comment thread episode 104

[@_kenemon_]

commander q. that dude's on every omm/hypergauge video spamming his shitty suggestions

[@_kenemon_]

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[@Alternateuniverse7157]

Love this. Neither of them technically won but it still was funny and a actually dope fight. Great use of both the character and decently lore accurate as well. Amazing work!

[@Seeks_stuff]

The way Bill fights is so.... Bill.

[@sonicgrimlock6800]

Seek Cipher Well... He is a reality warping 2nd dimensional god-like triangular psychopath... So yeah. Thats the way he fights, but it looks awesome! Youve got to admit that

[@Seeks_stuff]

@@sonicgrimlock6800 I didn't say it wasn't

[@sonicgrimlock6800]

Seek Cipher ok

[@bonsy246santiago4]

@@sonicgrimlock6800 11d not 2

[@yogurtofthemultiverse2200]

The way Bill exists is so Bill- It's perfect

[@MRfunnyordie3]

Now this is how you do a fight with Bill Cipher as one of the fighters. Comedic and fun to watch.

[@afifdanial5722]

Bill Cipher = One Slap Man

[@pyrrehraus6571]

Afif Danial Consecutive normal slaps

[@sebastiansuescum2186]

This comment is underrated

[@w00vz11]

Afif Danial alien dorito

[@shoopydoop4443]

Hah-

[@dancingunderthemoon2210]

Afif Danial Lol dude great name

[@NickAndriadze]

Don't you ever forget that Bill is a literally indestructible god of nightmares or something, the most powerful evil being to ever exist in this Multiverse. The main characters were able to defeat him was by teamwork and his only weakness- Selflessness. Also the only reason Bill lost was because he was tricked and erased by the memory cannon.

[@eee04]

Bill vs. Sans Winner: Annoying dog

[@imjustsupa4163]

Eero Rantanen true

[@stalememes6162]

Actually no Bill is an 11th dimensional being cause he terrified 11D's with his power, while AD is 4D, 5D if you highball him.

[@unshackled2907]

No the winner is the son of the Sheperd, he lent the annoying dog his powers.

[@eee04]

Zzz... Zzz... Zzz...

[@nenoski1674]

Winner: Toby fox

[@biofrost6768]

Even though I'm a Fan of Undertale... I already watched GF and base on my search & understanding... Bill Cipher is a 4 dIimensional being so... There's no chance of winning even though sans has the knowledge about timeskips

[@ednaarellano3838]

Yeah!!!!!

[@thedarkoracle4807]

What was the thing that was said when Toby smacked Bill?

[@gg.420]

@@thedarkoracle4807 Because he is going mad

[@shadowfoxhd6798]

But he still lost to annoying dog Annoying dog is too op

[@RaginDragn24]

The knowledge of timeskips isn't really helpful unless sans can do something about anything wrong.

[@az4535]

There would be no way for sans to defeat bill as much as it hurts to say that

[@bloomingreyna]

@Jocelyn Hernaez Actually, no. Sans's biggest weakness is fatigue, and with the amount of things he needs to avoid from Bill, he would get tired fast. And did you see the finishing move that Bill did? There is no way Sans could defend against that! Sans is also one of the most predictable bosses in Undertale, compared to Bill, who is a chaos king.

[@jevil2091]

@@bloomingreyna Chaos king? Hold my beer.

[@bloomingreyna]

@@jevil2091 Ah, it took me 3 days to beat you.

[@jevil2091]

@@bloomingreyna :D

[@twilight_lupinesilva4691]

Still, he put up a good fight. Lasted longer than I expected

[@SomeRandomDudeReviews]

This is just as good as death battles bill cipher V discord

[@reyskywalker9918]

It hurts me to say this being a crazy undertale fan but sans never stood a chance against Bill

[@Nicholas-or7df]

If in Sans vs Yukari, some fans still don't believe If in Sans vs Bill, some fams still don't believe If in Sans vs Saitama, some fans still don't believe... I'll put a "Sans vs Altair" or a "Sans vs Dlanor" to end this... even tho it probably wouldn't work.

[@khomchat1]

@@Nicholas-or7df hell it could be Sans vs Sans and people still would complain

[@joshuadoeslife9939]

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO ISNT IN DENIAL! THANK YOU!

[@FFFr3sHHH]

Rey skywalker well said and plus! that doesnt mean sans isnt powerful,believing in sans fills you with determination💓❤💙💚💛💜 And try to watch gravity falls.

[@bluedarkdarklin2552]

He forced bill to stop time. So all around not a bad performance from the funny bald man.

[@Themasterjtg]

Damage applied after a timestop is one of my favorite things.

[@parry3439]

TheOtherjtg JoJo's must be your asmr anime huh

[@helze2]

Fair

[@Evil_Destroyer]

TheOtherjtg jojo reference?

[@shsnnssgsnj2135]

especaily on games where u can do it a shot ton of times a shitntone of aloted time

[@sailor3047]

you would enjoy breath of the wild

[@juststayinmotion]

This is without a doubt the best fight of the season so far.

[@monstrosity6738]

I know right? Fuck UnderFAIL

[@onyxnot5051]

hell no best fight was probably shovel knight vs meta knight or Gohan vs superboy

[@MrToonlink53]

herpy derps it's not even about if you like Undertale or not it's overall a fantastic fight

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

+herpy derps This has nothing to do with that.

[@juststayinmotion]

That bitch-slap was God-Like.

[@AcrozmaPlayzincorperated]

Bill cypher is literally the physical embodiment of chaos and can manipulate reality and time at will💀

[@evritings]

4:06 Everyone Else: Just a *pinch* of ketchup. Sans:

[@epicgamingcooperation3735]

Dude, Bill was going easy on sans, face it

[@aidanaidan1213]

Sans wasnt, dorito boi to powerful

[@joserivas4022]

EpicGaming That’s true

[@nickthesicktick7577]

That's kinda what he does

[@saltmine_snake1487]

Also, bill wasn't in his physical form so how was sans even able to damage him and move him using telekinesis.

[@funneeswordman]

Agreed. Remember when he freaking just pointed at time baby and he freaking EXPLODED?

[@skama4845]

*D O Y O U L I V E I N A C A V E ?*

[@ast8177]

A very suicidal weeaboo. No

[@Yang3213]

*SLAMS* "All is forgiven."

[@roastytoasty1997]

A very suicidal weeaboo. da hat of disappointment come on sans you suck one slap done my friend. also the hat of disapline do you live in a cave.

[@roastytoasty1997]

Walter C. Dornez I already did in a game though.

[@JasonYoutu]

Bill Cipher just having fun he’s not even taking this seriously 💀

[@anaqitubetv9033]

Me when I first clicked this: sans's head is big Me when the fight started: this is how cool smash would be with sans

[@theoddronin1]

Yeah, funny story there...

[@painfulguess9429]

you predicted the future

[@gggbb9183]

Physic, is that you?

[@Supercatandrewman]

At first I was thinking this was just beating a dead horse, until I saw the ending! XD Either way, awesome battle, and Happy Halloween!

[@mauriciobalestra5842]

Your Favorite Canadian KZbinr, Eh!

[@Nube-Gamer]

How People expect undertale fans to react: "Sans should've won" Undertale fans in Reality: "If only beating sans were this easy."

[@anikeimushoniikitaidesuka8113]

Nube Gamer except he is easy,its just a quick memory game

[@capolol5976]

Actually, a kid beated him, so, in terms of everything... he is really weak, he doesn't follow the rules of the game, that's what makes him "strong"

[@ilyaasa.m.6747]

Capolol the Capolized Capolol we didn't either since we actually didn't kill him.

[@coolpix_-_]

llyaas Sans died. You hear the poof and the level up

[@ilyaasa.m.6747]

Random Guy Yeah i know he died, but we weren't the ones who killed him. We failed to kill him by the first slash. The second who killed him was by chara

[@Nooptema]

I seriously appreciate the Ed Edd and Eddy reference. Hat of discipline is op

[@TheEphemeralEternity]

4:15 Rolf respects your interdimensional travels to assert your dominance over the multiverse, yet... [putting on giant hammer-shaped hat] you must be punished.

[@dirteater2446]

uhhhhhh......what is that rolf?

[@coleworld8265]

“Life has many [I N T E R D I M E N S I O N A L] doors Edd boys”

[@datamazingsoldier7189]

It's the hat of discipline... *DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE?!*

[@22kingdomheartsfan]

All is forgiven

[@michaelrios5372]

Thank you Rolf.

[@lancelot1604]

Never mess with a One-Eyed Triangle in a TopHat

[@KentzHodiono]

Yeah, one of the most powerful beings in fiction is an illuminati with a tophat. Love it

[@chaosjoker5637]

Unless you are an annoying dog with the hat of discipline

[@KentzHodiono]

Christian Williams No I did not... Thanks for the information

[@whatsatoad3231]

Lansimarc Productions - Noted

[@adapterflow333]

Lansimarc Productions Doggo : Aw hell no!

[@retrop0yt]

I enjoy the attention to the detail that Sans has 1 hit point.

[@Leet-iz2fz]

Yet he somehow _survives_ the very pimp slap from a cosmic superbeing that brings him down.

[@Leet-iz2fz]

Your Deepest Of Fears In the game, he slumps off, and then you hear him disintegrate like two seconds later. In this fight, Sans stays up for maybe 30 seconds after the slap, then simply falls unconscious without turning to dust.

[@dekoldrick]

He was gutted with a knife in the game. I don't think being slapped will kill him but with his 1HP he will be KO'd very easily.

[@FaresHaroun1]

he drinked ketchup before turning in dust

[@leethemonstrous]

SamS dz Nono, he didn't JUST drink ketchup. He drank it *_VIGOROUSLY_*

[@ultran7485]

I love how bill cipher is just playing with sans a bit but later got destroyed

[@stephaniejohnson5361]

@Madmanzers there's nothing unfair about Bill cipher stopping Time. San's was technically playing unfair by not letting bill cipher have his turn

[@stephaniejohnson5361]

@Madmanzers In Undertale you do. When sans started losing against frisk, he wouldn't let them have their turn, so it kept resetting them to their original position. That's what sans was doing here

[@stephaniejohnson5361]

@Madmanzers obviously not but the characters are both using their abilities and sans not giving his opponents a turn is technically one of them

[@stephaniejohnson5361]

@Madmanzers Sans doing this is cheating. 3:22

[@mrreyes5004]

@4:12 that moment you realize that your favorite TV series ever just got referenced in a minute-long fight between a dream demon and a pun-making skeleton on Halloween.

[@KentzHodiono]

yeah, and for those who doesn't understand.... DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE???

[@mrreyes5004]

*Casually smashes innocent victim into the ground using the Hat of Discipline* All is forgiven.

[@FaresHaroun1]

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN ME THE REFERNCE !?

[@Hyperneosonic97]

It's Ed, Edd 'n Eddy. *DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE?!*

[@mrreyes5004]

XD He probably does considering that (last I checked) Ed Edd n Eddy's popularity rivaled Samurai Jack and PPG.

[@Addicted2Electronics]

This is awesome. I don't even care that Sans lost, I love the dialogue, the animation, and the end. It's all great.

[@leirbag1595]

One of the best OMM so far.

[@omegaotaku1342]

Yeah, and if you don't mind watching Gravity Falls, Bill is actually a pretty funny villain. But being a *four-dimensional reality-warping dream demon,* it kind of makes sense how he beats Sans.

[@hopesrainbowworld1130]

“Deliciously naive, blissfully unaware.” “He’s a perfect subject” Sans: So you’ve chosen death

[@gabrielrojas3203]

Bill:no u.

[@necrosis6037]

@Noah zzstu Smith Bill can’t really die

[@necrosis6037]

@Noah zzstu Smith I mean yeah, he can, but there are very specific things you need to kill him, Sans has neither

[@prayingkabutops1392]

@Noah zzstu Smith If he really did, then why is he still alive at the end?

[@prayingkabutops1392]

@Noah zzstu Smith well it could be a simulation bill created. I mean if toby beated him, the real winner would be toby.

[@magesticwafl]

I think bill was going incredibly easy on sans he only lost in gravity falls because he underestimated them but sans attacked first and bill somehow knew a lot about him so he knew exactly how easy/hard to go on him without looking like he was REALLY trying

[@DefRevenge24601]

I like UT and all, but that was pretty obvious.

[@DefRevenge24601]

While I like Punchy McShotgun Lady (Yang Xiaolong), BoomBoom McRepressed Sexual Tendencies (Katsuki Bakugou) should fight CatMan McQueen Reference (Yoshikage Kira)

[@UniverseShinobi]

Dex Bakugou would bite the dust tho

[@UniverseShinobi]

Weeeell on OMM yeah because they don't do research. But if it were a real fight Bakugou would stand little to no chance because he can't see stands and Kira would literally blow him up without Bakugou even knowing what hit him. The only way Bakugou would win is if he REALLY wanted to kill Kira for some odd reason and just hit him with a super strong explosion.

[@UniverseShinobi]

Oh, I never watched Rwby so maybe? lol

[@rem8183]

Nobody Blink is the perfect pre-fight quote here lol.

[@peepeeman2986]

Before the fight: Yeah Sans is dying Middle of the fight: welp, guess I was wrong then. End: the fuck just happened?

[@ryankaue5706]

Fuck You

[@swegmaster7911]

Ricki Zelaya That little girl one shot the realm of infinite timelines

[@wade.g]

+Fuck You That fight is a representation of a TF2 battle between a F2P pyro and a P2P *P2P goes Spy.* *P2P gets dominated by F2P pyro (**2:32**-**3:00**).* *P2P tilts (**3:01**-**3:24**).* *P2P gets revenge by just switching (**3:25**-**3:33**).* *Repeat.*

[@no-dm2rr]

Ricki Zelaya That little girl could erase hundreds of timelines, which are basically Universes.

[@dashelburrows6229]

Ricki Zelaya that was possessed by a demon dumbass

[@rapid2410]

Probably my favorite characters in existence both are hilarious both are SUPER op and they both just look cool

[@rapid2410]

@A Dedede Main eh he kinda is

[@MrWeirdMan28]

Sans is not that op