I Actually Built A Carrier

[@bremer1701]

tbh i expected you to build a fighter to counter my bomber. That carrier totally took me by suprise. 17:47 The B-Copter move was a mistake. I wanted to stay out of range but forgot to double check. 18:33 yes that was unbelievably dumb. I should have trashed you AA with the bomber and keep threatening your carrier or your neotanks. 22:03 yes the AA was supossed to kill infantry and if possible deny some areas for your T-Copters. Didnt work of course, like every plan i had in that match :D 24:09 the rain really annoyed the hell out of me. I could have done so muchg without the rain :D 25:31 yeah i really didnt see that AA 27:43 yeah the match was decided even before your second typhoon hit me but after that i just yoloed through^^ i am happy you uploaded this even if it shows to the world how incompetend i am :D

[@DireEpidemic]

its better to lose and learn; then be arrogant and continuing to make mistakes while winning.

[@samegamer426]

Thank you for sharing your perspective! It really adds a lot! 😃

[@adawg3032]

I wouldn't say your incompetent, its just mangs is OP

[@georgeheld1901]

It seems like you had a fun time, and thats all that matters (also you could probably floor me lmao)

[@wowgek7]

still better then I could ever be lol

[@YourFunkiness]

Max: My units get 20% extra firepower. Drake: You get 20% less units.

[@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS]

That's the funny thing about it. It's like Drake gives you a new day to day bonus of -20% everything, except he can do this multiple times per match plus movement and fuel debuffs.

[@Zer0billion]

Global damage powers are seriously the dumbest thing ever...

[@Senneih_cram]

@@Zer0billion its funny on casual ffa matchup with friends cuz you tend to lose friendship more than anything

[@vodkawhisperer3923]

@@Zer0billion drake deserves it tho. His d2d is pretty bad

[@AbsentIntelligence]

When the match is stupid the egg is strongest. Because then he merely needs his brain to be as smooth as his head.

[@coryseay9245]

🤣

[@Abundy]

When the match goes full retard, whoever goes half retard first loses. - Sun Tzu

[@rebeccasheng620]

The egg will win with experience 8)

[@burningsamrai3681]

Cuz Mangs becomes one punch man when his strategy gets pulled off?

[@martialmushi918]

Real life: Carriers are the naval meta In Advance Wars: Build one and expect your opponent to laugh

[@Tzizenorec]

Because in real life, the ocean is so large that warplanes have trouble crossing it without the mobile airport.

[@lecoutcritique8854]

Real life meta is changing : Missiles are becoming the kings (because sending one carrier is worth more than a billion $ not including the 70-ish planes on it, while sending 10 missiles cost you 200 millions tops with a sure kill for any 2 hits (and 90% hit rate)).Did I mention subs can launch theses missiles?

[@BoboMagroto26]

IRL: Air superiority!

[@clementello]

@@lecoutcritique8854 they should really make a balance patch for that

[@Airsickword]

@@clementello it still in development but i think it called missile interception? very cool stuff

[@kingarthur3236]

I think building the carrier was obviously the best move of this match, as it did so much psychological damage that mangs' opponent forgot how to play Advance Wars 30000 funds to make your opponent play bad is very worth it

[@kingarthur3236]

Also typhoon is indeed broken, but people who have watched all these match analyses already knew that very well

[@Hone_mor2525]

new drinking game: take a shot every time Mangs says "told you this was a stupid match"

[@marumoru2773]

I think I might be drunk

[@Hone_mor2525]

I'm gonna have hangover tomorrow, lol.

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

You'd die

[@Abundy]

Alcohol poisoning moment

[@juleeO6183]

I already tried this with biggest mistake of the match, my liver can't take it no more

[@RinnyThePrincess]

32:32 "I'm sorry for uploading it" What?? Mangs, this is hilarious. For sure one of my favourite AWBW videos you uploaded so far. Upload whatever you want to, the more variation the better in my opinion!

[@sr.lontra]

Correct opinion

[@kazekamiha]

Max: Do you flex? Drake: **Builds Carrier** More then you.

[@Corhal09]

Manga mentions how the aircraft carrier only shot down the helicopter, but it also zones out the bomber consistently. Every turn the bomber doesn't kill something is value wasted

[@caellanmurphy4751]

i do feel as if the anti-air was taken out this woudve turned out MUCH diffferantly

[@izanagi3521]

I agree, even if mangs built another anti air, that bomber can actually get a free hit on the carrier by going above it, the anti air at the base cant reach it unless mangs deletes the carrier

[@TheMongral]

This map kind of showcases a problem I’ve seen on a few of the AWBW maps you’ve played. Granted, I have not seen any other than those you have chosen to upload, but the trend seems to follow a pattern. On maps where naval units could actually legitimately have a shot at being useful, like this one, they’re totally invalidated by the overuse of shoals and minimal presence of naval-accessible water tiles. Imagine how much control of the corners each player could have if there were one extra water tile of space for movement in the south and north and the port wasn’t shoal blocked. Suddenly each players Airport would be critical to breaking through your opponents potential naval defence line to go for an HQ cap (as it would be just barely outside carrier range when factoring in the existing Shoal), while battleships could aid your middle of the map push. (For obvious balance leaving the middle-most lakes blocked by shoals to avoid battleships dominating the opponents production area.) Instead the map has a huge number of Shoals and the only naval units worth building in any situation other than High-Income are BB’s and Landers. The Ports might as well just be regular bases that only produce APC’s at that point, since almost everything else cannot leave the port. Yes, Naval units are generally a bad investment due to their cost, but part of the problem is also that in situations where they could have been a good investment, maps are designed in such a way that such an investment is no longer really viable. Such as this one. If you could move the carriers, even a couple of spaces, Naval forces would instantly be a strong, solid, investment choice here, especially as Drake (or if these were DoR Carriers that could build Seaplanes, turning it into a sort of Point Defence base, but that’s a separate point of consideration with its own pros and cons). Seriousness aside, this was quite a silly match, which is exactly the kind of match I like to watch. Super serious advance wars play is fine, especially if it’s a very close match, but at the end of the day it is a game, and games should be fun. Silly matches like this one are exactly the kind of thing that should happen every now and then. Plus it’s always nice to see under-used or under-appreciated units actually get some legitimate use, however limited that might be.

[@melfice999]

Days of Ruin generally is better when it comes to Naval. And I really feels that the players tend to dislike the naval gameplay because air is just so stupidly strong vs everything, And even naval maps, if there are airports, tends to degenerate the naval map to be airfoce maps. Another issue is that Cruisers in the Advanced wars games not DoR are bad at being anti-air units, which just is one extra tick to why air is superior to naval gameplay vice. I prefer my cool battleships though.

[@JosephJohns-xi1qb]

@@melfice999 As DoR is my only AW, I actually love naval combat. I'll take an amphibious map over an air force one pretty much any day.

[@DemonFox369]

The crazy thing about global damage is how losing units is okay or even good. The other CO powers that boost movement or firepower require your units be healthy and survive.

[@Ricardo_Rick]

Anything in the match: *Happens Mangs: "I told you this was a stupid match"

[@DanBottiglieri]

Congratz on 100k Mangs!

[@nin10doadict]

32:01 Ultimate BM play: Deletes carrier and rebuilds it

[@lecoutcritique8854]

oh nice, didn't spot this one ! What's the unit mangs buys which looks like black hole cannon?

[@aceythespacemanfrehley2566]

@@lecoutcritique8854 the piperunner?

[@arcturus64]

Mangs and Damage calculator reached C Support.

[@samuelbarker6755]

IMO the carrier wasn’t necessarily a bad or stupid idea, but I would’ve held off a few turns and built a few more black boats for their repair functions before locking off the base like that.

[@Senneih_cram]

If he did that, the bomber would've rushed and you'd lose those black boats

[@steveebeejodd]

@@Senneih_cram Without needing to be mentioned, of course you'd build a fighter and anti-air to push back the bomby boi.

[@Ricardo7250]

10:45 This is something I always thought about. If you are Drake and you build a single fighter, you get your value back if your opponent has to build a fighter to respond. So, even though Drake fighter has -20% firepower, it still is a profitable response to the rock paper scisors if you ensure Drake's fighter won't be taken down by anti air or missiles/carrier. Drake's fighter has to be respected just as a regular fighter, due to how fighters are the only air units that can attack air (aside from stealth that are occasionally banned and get wrecked by fighters)

[@arcturus64]

Nice new HUD for the COs presentation!

[@AColdOneYT]

Congratulations on 100,000 subscribers egg. Bout time, and well deserved

[@genzkie2082]

Congrats for 100K subs mangs🥳

[@benjaminkutt8231]

Congratulations on 100K subscribers!!

[@allieoldaccount3073]

lmao, you even delete your original carrier to build a new one on that turn with the pipe runners and missile chan.

[@JayDayX116]

Let's be real here. You just wanted to jam out to drake's theme.

[@Cloud354]

I think Bombers as Drake after this match are worth it if playing on high income. Typhoon can mitigate the -20% attack.

[@maleous1745]

5:07 It might seem like too much at first glance but due to the nature of high funds it's needed to help balance. Crystal tears has 179 games played as of this post which is statistically relevant and P2 has a 49% win rate with 88 wins. If it was too much for P2 to have that extra city, we would see it reflected here. Let's look at the turn by turn break down of total funds when both players go for the same captures: P1 Turn | Income | Total Value (including predeployed infantry cost) 1 | 6000 | 7000 2 | 6000 | 13000 3 | 8000 | 21000 4 | 10000 | 31000 P2 Turn | Income | Total Value (including predeployed infantry cost) 1 | 8000 | 10000 2 | 6000 | 16000 3 | 8000 | 24000 4 | 10000 | 36000 As you can see, the total value begins to swing between the two players based on turn. This is desirable as both players are "advantaged" at the start of their turns. They are guaranteed to have more total value than the opponent's last turn. This effect is manifested by the players being ahead on half of the captures. With a pre-owned city, it creates a half-capture effect before the game even starts.

[@MrJinglejanglejingle]

We've got Missile-Chan, Recon-Chan... Do we finally have a Carrier-Sama?

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

Carrier sama better be thicc. 😏

[@IceMaverick13]

Carrier-dono is King of the South. Any who enters his domain is swiftly punished.

[@Clarkbardoone]

Thank god KZbin randomly recommended me mangs. I would have never found this game without it

[@vanishingumbreon7615]

Flak is also different from his AW2 self, they gave him his DS luck range (24 upper limit on good luck instead of +14) so he wouldn't be strictly worse Jugger

[@unnoticed4571]

I didn't know they gave him his better luck stat from DS, nice!

[@Kuraimizu9152]

"Let your planes be dark and impenetrable as a carrier stuck in a harbor" Sun Tsu, probably

[@kentmichaelgalang686]

carrier was still a big brain move lmao thinking like drake, if your anti-air air units suck, then build anti-air *naval* units!

[@RDG99]

The Carrier got you to 100k subs! Congrats!

[@ctnke]

CONGRATS ON 100K SUBS!

[@SynergyGamingTV]

Super funny match Mangs :P

[@MrRaui]

I really like the way you showed off the COs for this match. Props to your editor.

[@ImportAustralia]

A carrier, lads. This is it. We have reached peak memery. There's no topping this one.

[@yeetlordentertainment3937]

I stand by the Battleship I built in a lake as the top tier meme move

[@ImportAustralia]

Call me when you learn how to make indirect bombers kid

[@mcihay246]

100k subs!!!? Congrats. Finally reached that milestone despite whatever happens. Was a tough and rough ride.

[@dorcasmutton6335]

That max responding with the piperunner that was so awesome

[@fireroy5796]

This match was great, the silliness was of the charts. Great video as always and congrats on the 100k subscribers.

[@freeze3319]

Boomer Drake on his carrier with a monster would've been perfect for the thumbnail

[@JuanMatteoReal]

Note: Almost to 100K.

[@irispaiva]

Max looks like is about to go "Dame dane" on the thumbnail

[@CarissaNomadic]

This match is so big brain for both sides, that it overflowed

[@tomasziskierka9557]

Mangs: bulids Piper runner Bremer: also bulids a Piper runner TheGamerASD: Ah, I See You're a Man of Culture As Well

[@jahbariw5534]

Thank you for editing CO cards at the start for explanation!

[@T_K7]

This meme map's time as a league map has recently concluded, and the total carriers built is at 31... only two less than black boats. So maybe it wasn't such a silly play in the end.

[@leewolffe7050]

11:14 is the legendary moment

[@SucyTanuki]

This is a certified gamer moment no better way to assert your dominance than building a carrier on a blocked port

[@SupremeST25]

I love the way you say neotank😭

[@PaulPower4]

I did have a league game a while back where I built a carrier and it was useful - similar scenario, Drake on a high funds map (Cold Fire, IIRC), but it was towards the end of a long tussle for air and naval superiority with someone playing Kindle. Shielded from circling bombers by a bunch of other units, controlling a good chunk of the skies of a fairly small map, it finally brought about a resignation. There certainly aren't a lot of chances for them to shine though! And it was a bold move bringing one out when it was locked in by shoals. But hey, it worked out :)

[@DarkOrderSolDjango]

I've built a carrier in my official match Olaf versus Andy and it didn't got to shoot in the end, and this was a crazy match that I really need to upload, so yeah naval units are still worth on some maps.

[@vinceuy6751]

100K woooo!

[@MosswineSchieber]

congrats on 100k subs dude you deserve it 😁

[@ferborn86]

I'm kind of late, but congratulations for 100k subs!!!

[@Orillion123456]

Your warning in the intro made me press the like button.

[@Subarumu]

I also built a carrier on this map

[@peterh2223]

There is a real reason why Drake gives defence to boats Drake is namely based off of a British Sailor (Sir Francis Drake and all that) And in WW2, the British Ships in the Pacific were MUCH better at taking fire from the Japanese, even being able to survive Kamikaze Crashes with minimal denting.

[@luisbatista7923]

"are Carriers Worth it?"

[@badassoverlordzetta]

I have floated a good number of immobile aircraft carriers and battleships in my fog games. They're pretty much never built to destroy high value units though, it's a play to control an area of the map. It puts you behind in value for awhile, but if it secures a property advantage it pays off over time.

[@kaiser776_]

Just noticed this map isn't perfectly mirrored

[@TruMikuel]

That one missing mountain, yeah?

[@yo-yokirby6663]

bruhhhhh you ruined it for me D:

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

All Advance Wars maps aren't perfectly mirrored. It's always so player 2 isn't at a disadvantage when going second.

[@kaiser776_]

@@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060 no I meant the mountain placement the terrain is mirrored aside from that mountain. I wasn't taking about captured property

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

@@kaiser776_ Well you missed what I meant regardless. I'm saying, regardless of the map structure, regardless of terrain, regardless of pre-deployment, all Advance Wars maps are not completely symmetrical so as player 2 isn't at a turn-based disadvantage.

[@LavaCaptain-yf6iu]

In Advance Wars, it is commonly viewed as good etiquette to build a Piperunner on the final day as a way of saying "good game"

[@kentmichaelgalang686]

imagine actually being too poor to say gg at all though lol

[@LavaCaptain-yf6iu]

Kent Michael Galang it’s a form of disrespect, being too poor to build the “white flag piperunner” at the end of a match

[@kentmichaelgalang686]

how dare they be poor, amirite

[@Ricardo7250]

11:20 Carrier is a good response. Max mistake was building a bomber straight away (22k) which allowed you to spend 30k in an anti air artillery which will slow down the pace of the game and potentially bottleneck Max. Max can find a way to work around that Carrier but it will take some time, and by then you'll get a good amount of funds to create another response. Imo Max should have started his air army with a chopper

[@MaddBomberPT]

The thumbnail is glorious

[@parnash]

It might have been dumb, but it was incredibly hilarious to watch.

[@paw-paddedcalamity216]

I completely forgot Carriers even existed prior to Days of Ruin because nobody really talks about them XD

[@lukejensen1222]

Sooooooo close to 100K

[@rhettorical]

"This is an incredibly stupid match" Well it's High Funds, so...

[@FabianL96]

@mangz gratz on 100k! when 100k special man?

[@BusterBeachside]

Mangs, have you tried any "Fixed Funds"/"No Income" matches? By that I mean the kind where both players start off with a lump sum of cash, say 50k or whatever depending on map size, but properties don't give any funds. They're pretty interesting to play because you can build whatever you like right away and capturing hardly matters at all, but you also need to budget yourself lest you run out of funds. Joining units to get money back also becomes more of a viable tactical play in some situations, obviously to get the rebate on unit cost, but also as a way to heal a damaged unit without suffering repair costs (Assuming there's even a nearby city to repair on, considering capturing is less worthwhile). Sometimes they're pretty dumb unless you're playing a map that's designed around the format (There aren't many), but it's a good way to test your ability to use your units effectively.

[@crisstrider8857]

This is why Mangs wanted custom navals COs, to live his Carrier wet dream.

[@USELESSDCK]

Recon-chan? Missile-chan? Fire emblem waifus? Nah the egg loves his kinky Carrier dreams

[@hennyzhi2261]

Tourney Commentator: "They are both currently just booming up, setting the stage" Camera Feed: *Two old players sipping large quantities of Monster Energy, trying to make the loudest drinking noises to flex/intimidate.*

[@h1tsc4n40]

32:01 did you just effing delete your carrier and rebuilt it just to flex on him? Lmao

[@imperfecthaze6321]

One of these days I want to see an actual match won by a clutch piperunner rather than just being used as a massive flex to meme on an already losing opponent. One day.

[@waisse9531]

A good player knows when to resign

[@Hone_mor2525]

Late Mangs uploads are usually the best uploads. That usually means it an AWBW commentary.

[@thunderthunderstorms8828]

Mangs builds a carrier: Also mangs: loosing 1000000000000 brain cells at the speed of light.

[@DEATHRAGE157]

I play a lot of world of warships, and i think that cruisers and battleships should have an AA bubble around it and if you get inside a 3 squares area around them the air units should take 2 damage.

[@TheRealLeeisHere]

Assert dominance with the Pipe Runner.

[@tenchimuyo69]

I like how the piperunner is almost the universal "gg" symbol in this game.

[@yeager1957]

Sigma Drake asserts dominance against beta by building -20% bombers

[@theedwardian]

Imagine there was a war that involved an aircraft carrier being built in a small, shallow lake.

[@makohidari4723]

drake's powers are truly disgusting here. one after the other. In the end. the match because memes and flexing on your opponent. Seems your opponent at least had some fun with it too. Stupid but entertaining match

[@eduu729]

1 week without AW2 Hard Campaign :c

[@Mangs1337]

Soon :)

[@timidfalcoknight]

I mean I tuned in for top tier sigma brain matches

[@iamnintendofan]

Ive been playing so much AW that I was actually trying to click the screen to check units range

[@multitopictalk6714]

Best replay ever. that also shows how bad your opponent was and how you are sigma drake when your tired?

[@ls_rus4666]

Mangs: this is the dumbest match I've ever played. Me: if you're so certain, then it's gonna be good. :)

[@projectpitchfork860]

You should have deleted the carrier at the end for the ultimate sigma move.

[@jomiles3605]

Next on Mangs: max aircraft carriers

[@andrewvisser8210]

Mangs: this was a stupid match. Me: *Obi-wan on Kamino* That's why I'm here.

[@nitorishogiplayer3465]

Now I'm interested in a carrier analysis video

[@aaronlovin2263]

Amazing AWBW video

[@natetheboxfed2616]

The Carrier is here

[@kristiandahl1310]

Carrier has arrived

[@oof5992]

100K subs? Based as fuck. Wheres my beserk staff mangs that was promised when i first subbed in 2016 smh still waiting

[@FidoriaSky]

i was comming to see a video of advance Wars but i see only War death and i dont go back anymore

[@GaussNine]

That thumbnail+title killed me

[@tumbleweedanimations]

Hell of a drinking game here, take a drink every time Mangs says "told you it was a stupid match!" Need to see the Carrier in your units series, I'd forgotten it existed!

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

It's only really good in DoR where it can do more than just be a supersized Anti-Air Naval unit.

[@johannesrehn6494]

typhoon go brrrrrrt

[@1995Konsti]

To be fair: he told us this match is incredibly stupid.

[@jaxpot7775]

Big brains? Nah, I came for the memes.

[@penguinflames707]

Next unit analysis: aircraft carrier

[@aqa2866]

the glorified missle

[@agent-0]

Then everything changed with the arrival of DoR

[@NotABot55]

Not sure which is more outrageous, a unit (carrier) that can make four more (seaplanes) in DoR, or the fact you can land *bombers* on carriers since the Dual Strike debut.