I Actually Can't Do This Anymore - Su-22M4

[@Hagop64]

It was nice of you to cut the video at the end and not embarrass the other players in the 1v4 that you clearly won, such a stand up guy.

[@lllxlxii569]

0 comments let me fix that

[@unmxtiviert]

@@lllxlxii569no reply to your reply lemme fix that

[@BlueTurtleClips]

@@unmxtiviert no replies to your reply to his comment let me fix that

[@hmkjuygj7t]

no normal comments lemme fix that haha lol funy true

[@legendbee9579]

He did it again absolutely flawless win on every match

[@WigglyWings]

He didn't even have to TK any rats in this video as well.

[@daeshaunboynes4664]

This made my day also I've gotten a lot better at dogfights and other tactics. Thanks DEFYN

[@SilentButDudley]

This thing should probably be 10.7. 11.0 is like the jump off point where most aircrafts that don’t have radar missiles get clapped.

[@Jaeger_89]

Or...Gaijin could improve the game further by bumping the br ceilling to 12.3...

[@ayylmao8901]

OH BOY I CAN'T WAIT TO FIGHT A SUPERSONIC JET WITH FLARES AND R60M'S IN MY G91YS I AM ABSOLUTELY FUCKING ECSTATIC AT THIS IDEA

[@thelaotianaviator]

The issue is the uptiers as you’ll be facing vehicles with PD Radar, and better performance overall, like the F-14, MiG-29s, etc. Sure, the SU-17/22 series wasn’t meant to fight planes as it’s original purpose (though other nations used it as fighters/interceptors), but facing planes like the F-4E or most other 11.0 should be fine, granted on if you’re really good at fighting. Top tier jets in general should just be decompressed though. It’s tiring knowing that 90 percent of matches past 11.0-11.3 are uptiers.

[@Wheeeeeegoated]

​@@ayylmao8901YS already is retardedly overtiered as fuck rn and should be 9.3 or 9.0, and it's a totally different example

[@Jaeger_89]

@@thelaotianaviator And there's so many awesome planes at 11.0 but they can hardly survive at a full uptier for long...

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

It's always a shame when the capture crashes when you're about to do an unreal missile dodge

[@ultimatechad8738]

Recently at a vacation in Bulgaria me and my family actually got to check out an Su-22M4 at an aviation museum, and my dumbass didn't even know such a variant exists and Google search somehow brought almost no info, now ironic to see it get added to WT in the La Royale update. Up close irl it looks super cool and reliable even though realistically it might be inferior to the competition, and it's huge as well, much bigger than any other fighter jet I've seen (except the IL-28 even tho it's a bomber and not a fighter).

[@AZ-dj1ni]

The Su-22M4 is not the Su-17M4 but export variant?

[@ultimatechad8738]

@@AZ-dj1ni Honestly no clue, I wasn't into military aviation as much as I now but even now I can't find much information about the M4 variant, how it got there or where it originates from still largely remains a mystery to me. I assume it's a decommissioned aircraft, either that or just an exported gift considering it looked to be in excellent condition

[@egoalter1276]

The Su22 is the export variant of the Su17, yes, and the whole family is incremental improvement over the Su11/Su13 point defence interceptors. And it definitely is a bomber.

[@samy7013]

The Su-17M4 / Su-22M4 was a tough, reliable, effective, attack/strike/bomber/interdictor aircraft. In its heyday in the 1980s, it was easily the match for any of the aircraft playing the same role in the NATO arsenal. The swing-wing “Fitter” (the NATO name for the aircraft) saw lots of action in Afghanistan, but even more importantly, during the Iraq-Iran War which was fought 1980-1988. It was popular with its pilots, and definitely proved its worth during that very hard-fought war.

[@egoalter1276]

@@samy7013 It was more or less the soviet equivalent of the F4E, and filled about the same role. People keep comparing it to the F14 because of the swing wing, but Mig23MLD is more in line with that.

[@NonameNinja55]

No way a 90 degree ramming kill

[@Bingholius]

"Find every opportunity, grab it with both hands, and just start sucking on it" 😂

[@samy7013]

The Su-17M4 / Su-22M4 was a tough, reliable, effective, attack/strike/bomber/interdictor aircraft. In its heyday in the 1980s, it was easily the match for any of the aircraft playing the same role in the NATO arsenal. The swing-wing “Fitter” (the NATO name for the aircraft) saw lots of action in Afghanistan, but even more importantly, during the Iraq-Iran War which was fought 1980-1988. It was popular with its pilots, and definitely proved its worth during that very hard-fought war.

[@sztypettto]

It's incredibly praiseworthy to perform a secondary defense role of a plane in a spectacular fashion. The primary role of all variants of the Su-17 family which includes the Su-22 is to perform the following mission types: Close Air Support (CAS), Interdiction, and sometimes SEAD, and DEAD. Then again, I'm preaching to the choir or the mob that plays Air AB, Air RB...

[@Flayrr872]

Yup, went about as well as I would have expected. Respect for torturing yourself with this thing xD Are you planning on an F8F-1 video at some point in the future? I remember you suggesting it in a previous prop video, and I think it definitely deserves the spotlight! That or one of the Griffon spitfires 😋

[@DEFYN]

Yeah i have the video basically ready but i am just trying to get rid of my patch footage first

[@Flayrr872]

@@DEFYN Okay sick, looking forward to it! :D

[@mattiacasati2598]

6:15 it was me that F 16. I tried to save you, but I failed

[@Asian_Titan]

At least this one has more flares than the Su-22M3. 12 flares OVERALL at 10.7. Sadly im not DEFYN so its a struggle. Great content as always.

[@loicalex]

This was my first top tier jet (my brother gifted it me because i was reluctant to play top tier) and playing right now at 11.0 feels like a breath of fresh. Main advantage is its engine, so it's good at energy fighting and the missiles are fine 3rd party killers, which happens often vs 10.0ish premium jets. Overall the KD ratio improvement is colossal thanks to the slight downtier.

[@ductringuyen4056]

That last trick was sick!

[@kuunoooo7293]

You're the only person i know that could win a 3V1 against decent figthers in a ground attack aircraft

[@gunas6133]

bro is too modest to show himself dunking on 4 ppl in a 1v4 great job defyn

[@TheFelwinterShow]

Loves the editing on this one, can’t say what it is but it felt action-packed and funny at the same time! PS. Sussy commentary was on fleek

[@JuggernautRA]

Thanks!

[@DEFYN]

Thanks for the support :) I never got a notification for this sorry man

[@PineCone227_]

The Su-17M4 is actually one of my best aircraft stat wise - the active protection system (aka 256 flares on periodic that last a whole match), 6 R-60M's and gunpods make it quite fun to play as air superiority. I think I even scored an ace a couple of times

[@EdgeR2]

Hi Defyn, I'd like to report a problem with the video. The render seems to have cut off a bit too early?

[@blaglo679]

Bro thinks he's a time traveller

[@DEFYN]

He did comment 2 hours ago tbh

[@ДушманКакдела]

I found that on planes that have upwards firing flares, the flare distracts the seeker for a moment, yet the seeker than can still reaqquire the engine signature.

[@alexclark7284]

He can make literally any plane look good bravo 👏

[@smigoltime]

Don't then, take a break, do the new F2F3 video :D or whatever the name was of that US reserve

[@wildzeromusic]

absolutely luxurious ball-draining fun -- i mean, schadenfreude.

[@kkang2828]

I have a funny idea. I’d like to see you try one of the Japanese rank 1~3 twin-engine interceptors with the big HE-only guns. Some Italian and French (indigenous) props would be lovely to see as well, seeing as you haven’t covered them in a while.

[@rhymmm]

My favorite way to fly this plane is not to use it intended. I'll get a few kills off start if possible if not just basically stick with the herd and wait till they start camping airfield. I will then proceed to use the 14 km ranged anti-ship missiles on the airfield as they camp it. Works flawlessly every time and I love it so much.

[@fire_drake12.arc.24]

the perfect death cuts will never get old

[@shikikanaz4624]

What death cuts? He obviously clutched those situations

[@MrBboy95]

Drink everytime DEFYN says "send it" in the video

[@CircuitCatWT]

How did he manage to not die, he's a god.

[@pyencdocde5716]

Okay but wheres the PB4Y, long range strategic bomber going air superiority mode video?

[@TomPrickVixen]

Still far better than the Su-39/25T on 11.3. And the plane looks absolutely "BAD ASS" and that is the most important in a military jet!

[@zanzao-1ps318]

Yeah at least this thing is fast so you may be albe to get the hell outta there In a Su-39/25T you are just stuck sitting there till someone decides to send you to the hangar

[@willaim24]

9:57 why are you laughing ? me: *you wouldn't get it *

[@swag_jay-_-2743]

Hey Defyn play the yak-38m pls

[@HenriFaust]

Ticket bleed exists for the sake of minimizing the score you can get per match, and extending the amount of time needed to earn rewards. It's not going to get fixed.

[@JohnDoe-fw9ty]

I haven't played war thunder in like 7 years, im a Rust player now, but recently I tried playing againand holy shit people have gotten good at this game. Then I see videos like this

[@Hranky]

Yeah DEFYN, alot of us fanbois good the avarage the best and the worst love your videos. Your comentary is always on point, you know what is what, aim is on point, you know when to joke around and all around you are one of the best dudes in RB. I mostly like SB, becouse when you have a Joystick like entry level - Logitech 3d xtreme, WT becomes a completly different game.

[@sakwa2944]

9:33 😳 uhhhh okay defyn sounds like good life advice

[@bosmith4560]

Grabbed the p51 pack and the decal, loving letting everyone know why they died in my xp50 with the double skill issue decals on the wing!.

[@blacksky121_]

This man can turn a Po2 to a air superiority fighter

[@varunkaushik2834]

What do you mean? PO2 IS an air superiority fighter!

[@italianduded1161]

"atricious" *literally annihilates everyone"

[@fatchimpanzee]

9:33 interesting analogy 💀

[@rubenintveld4083]

i saw a video with you fighting an f16 with an p51 and i saw a dutch decall dus ben je nederlands?

[@p_filippouz]

Defyn is truly flying the is truly flying the aircrafts ever lately

[@fokinsnipahs9823]

Even in a full fighter loadout you should always bring the TV missiles, rhey are amazing and with the zoom on them its no issue to fire and forget them against some pillboxes or tanks.

[@-theislander-5888]

you don’t understand the point of this channel, do you?

[@darthioan]

Those things wil be hurting the performance of a plane with pretty mediocre performance and for what? A few points of from pillboxes? REALLY? As you are distracted aiming those things, you are quite likely to get yoinked by some enemy plane passing by. No wonder you put all your eggs in the ground pounding basket. As the other guy eloquently put it, do you even understand the point of this channel? Does it look like Defyn or anyone watching him cares about ground pounding in air rb?

[@egoalter1276]

The Su22 is a gigh speed point defence interceptor turned low altitude attacker turned multi role fighter bomber. Its kinda shit, because under the hood its a 1960s era Su11. Its the soviet equivalent of the F4.

[@9836angel]

Hi defyn, it's been a while since you've flown some italian prop like the Re 2005. How does it perform currently?

[@ColonelHess]

Oh my God, that Skill Issue decal is perfect xD

[@hughmungus2295]

Bro making every effort to make sure that this busy plane work as fighter

[@sooryan_1018]

I love it when you die. Shows you are realistic. A realistic pro

[@bokkun-rlt]

Blud's sense of humor it's something else💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@fox_dsa6694]

Hey defyn what Do you think about a more competetive type of Mode for Jets that is like a 4v4 air rb Mode?

[@xXManhattanProjectXx]

I find I do better in the 22M4 in uptiers than downtiers when I'm not getting swarmed by a billion F5's

[@rezurrect7205]

Could you play the M.D 452 IIA? Would love to see how people play it but there are not that many new videos.

[@JetfireQuasar]

4:15 the thing is the AI have guns and are capable of taking out targets that's why the tickets bleed.

[@dakadaka7455]

08:48 best moment of video haha 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@GumMonster1]

I can imagine it took many matches of suffering to get a match like this one. I've gotten ace matches in Su-17M4 and I believe this one is identical to the Russian one. If you think this is bad, you should try to fly the Su-25T in air realistic.

[@DEFYN]

Took me about 11 but it felt like 4 weeks

[@gabrielabreu5200]

Now imagine flying the tornado marineflieger at 11.0 or the other tornados ids at 11.3, 2 AAMs with the worst flight performance of high tier

[@robertgaudet7407]

I mean he has flown those. They are terrible.

[@italianduded1161]

"... you never die in the firs-" *DIED*

[@ODST_Parker]

I hate this game's top-tier experience. I can only watch these videos about how much these planes absolutely suck against everything they fight, and think to myself, "Great. How much worse will the STOCK performance be?" Fucking remove stock grind. This shit is hard enough as it is.

[@AlejandroGonzalez-vt4nq]

i think the A10 was writting morse with the smoke lol 3:07

[@darthioan]

Rumor has it a rat may have been devisstated.

[@LazyActor]

@DEFYN can you talk about how weight affects performance exactly bro?

[@DEFYN]

It affects basically everything Your stall speed is lower Your acceleration is faster You turn better Overal it just makes your plane less restricted in a way

[@LazyActor]

Thanks man is there a way to quantify the difference between say full load and 15 minutes less? I only ask cause I’m struggling to get certain planes to feel good and have decent up time. Mostly jets.

[@LazyActor]

For example the mig 15 bis. 20 minutes it feels so bad. I hate the plane. Min it’s amazing.

[@DEFYN]

Its hard to quantify exactly 200kg on a 2000kg plane is a massive difference Whereas 200kg on a 15000kg doesnt impact a lot In your case, the mig15bis min vs 20 minutes is a massive change in performance yes To give you an idea The mig15 will win a dogfight vs an F86 sabre when both on min fuel If the sabre is on min and the bis on full the sabre will win it in like 3 turns The best way is to look at how heavy the plane is. The lighter the plane the more impact weight normally has on it

[@LazyActor]

@@DEFYN Dude perfect answer, I can quantify the changes im making by comparing the weight of my plane and the overall percentage im adding compared to it. Dude you fucking rock. Thanks!!!

[@Katidetinjicxjo]

i love those cuts xd they are incredibly hilarious to me

[@drybeans0000]

i actually just finished spading the earlier version of this aircraft (su17) and it was horrible. would rather spade the sea venom instead of that. props to you for highlighting the su17/22 series though

[@blackmark7165]

How does this compared to A-7D and E?

[@amelulomexad3237]

Missile guide?

[@IGIpl805]

could you play an bomber as air superiority fighter?

[@atvkid0805]

I don't get how you can pitch soo smooth while looking around like that. When I try to pitch while looking around the plane violently tries to correct itself.

[@phantomhobo7432]

Probably by flying with wasd it takes priority over the mouse if you're using g mouse aim

[@atvkid0805]

@@phantomhobo7432 that's what I use and when I let go of a key it snaps back instead of being smooth like he does I don't get it

[@GUSWT]

⁠@@atvkid0805You need to look away from your plane’s current heading certain amount for it to stop auto-correcting. Try going into a test flight, turning the camera in free view to the back of the plane, continuing to hold free look and using WASD

[@gansior4744]

why is the G.91Y at 9.3 when Sabre-K os 9.0. It has no place as a fighter and as the ground attacker in ground RB its useless since 9.3 is non existent for italy, but 9.7 is and there you have a YS which has a CCIP. Putting it at 9.0 would be more fair as it doesnt have flares or missiles, and it would be useful at ground RB

[@abdallah5906]

Can u take the mig21bis and see how it preforms against f16s and f14s

[@DEFYN]

It doesn't

[@damiashade2571]

@@DEFYN what about a phantom at top tier?

[@jacketdp9626]

​@@damiashade2571same shit

[@fantastic9864]

Been flying the bis a lot. Comparable acceleration but the fights play out similar to mig 29 but even worse. One turn and then you're their toy. That's not to say the bis is useless. Playing full support role I still manage 1-4 kills a match at 12.0

[@Sagittarius_WT]

I take out f4j from time to time and It’s not that bad; usually 1-3 kills. Recently got a 5k with it

[@lordphoenix00]

Yah definitely need to be a 10.3-7 its out of place it the highter tiers

[@crg__28]

Defyn I love your videos and bought your patreon a week and a half ago but I don't appear in the list 😔

[@DEFYN]

Thanks for the support! I am a little behind on the patreon as i render these videos out a bit before release you should appear soon :)

[@crg__28]

@@DEFYN :D

[@pizzacutter5469]

Please do a video on your keybinds for arcraft.

[@kingachuu]

how do you get that red wing

[@Eclipse-lw4vf]

Move everything to 12.3 or 12.7 tbh and move all the F16s, mig29 and j8e or whatever it’s called all there.. and that’ll solve most 11.0 planes problems

[@Kiwi_taken]

Personally I prefer the Su-22UM3K while it doesnt have the RB-29 engine like the Su-22M3 it does have 116 more cms while being 10.7

[@Jubs1204]

Its still absolutely miserable at 10.7

[@Adaminkton]

Isn't su 22m3 at 10.3 better, as it gets the same flight performance, but no r60m's?

[@ryzkiguruh2942]

Both are quite terrible. If 22M3 get better flares not only 12 maybe better but 22M3 is better in a downtier

[@eliasa.5408]

I see through the lies of the Jedi (KZbin editing) DEFYN

[@Bandit0313]

It makes me absolutely thrilled being at 10.0 where the only good aircraft with speed, climb and gun is the F105D. Drawback: It’s the only good plane yet it doesn’t have ANY FUCKING flares at 10.0 and playing anything from that range all the way to 11.0 in an uptier is just a guaranteed death. Please for the love of god, add flares for it Gaijin. We’ve been begging for a long time as well as well as the F4C. They’re stuck in that BR because any higher and it’s stats are outmatched besides having 0 flares. Then going lower in BR away from IR missiles it’ll be too OP. I fucking hate this BR. I’m 15k RP away from the F4C and I’m shooting straight for the F4E to grind everything else that is decent

[@trollking7046]

you can do it i believe in u

[@jerey_was_here3194]

Any ideas on how to dodge radars with PD modes?

[@lukagg998]

notch + chaff, fly low

[@AtomicKepler]

Loving those new videos lmfao-

[@gamesdawin3505]

9:30 bro ... 😭😭😭

[@SonamGyeltshen-kw8xi]

To be honest i don't like top tier junks. I always prefer props. Hey Defyn can you fly a N1k2 Shadien kai or spitfire mk 24.

[@No1harris_98]

Hmmm yes, sanity has left the chat indeed 🧐

[@max.5232]

Can you make a vid on fw d13

[@rowanyuh6326]

Defyn would have won the f/a-18e vs su-22 fight

[@zawadlttv]

realshatter? thats why i take apit in the f5. no real shatter and wings snap right off

[@bagelmaster2498]

It’s great in a downtier but almost every match at 11.0 is an uptier so they really jsut need to decompress top tier

[@PerriThePlatyPilot]

FFS man.. if you keep playing all these planes, you‘ll end up in hospital but as a patient

[@DEFYN]

Not unfamiliar with that anyway omegalul

[@M4ssExtinction]

My favorite plane

[@number1c1arieteglazer]

bless defyn for torturing himself for our entertainment

[@serryb]

9:30 what 😢

[@shikikanaz4624]

You should play the Q5's, abosolutly horrendous, the only thing you got is the speed because of the BR it sits at (9.0 for Q5 early/a and 9.7 for Q5l). No flares except the Q5a for some reason, lack luster ground armament, NO air to air missiles and shit guns

[@Hazey652]

Wait, this isn't battlebits.

[@Slntreaper]

Su-17/22M4 is a sim plane. Sits at the wonderful bracket of 10.7 so in certain brackets you can dodge the 11.0 radar missile bracket and destroy kids with 6 x R-60Ms. Horrendous in RB.

[@VectorGhost]

This plane, i bet the people who asked are ones who think a fighter bomber means, it can operate as a pure fighter whenever, when in reality its fighter capabilities are ok-ish at best.

[@williewilson2250]

The f4 is the only one actually capable

[@scoop8100]

9:33 hmmmm

[@theslavicsailor6654]

Manouver kills need to be added

[@najmicreativetv9491]

I owned the soviet version Su-17M4 and yes it is dreadful also you forgor the Kh-29T