I actually read the Baal myth...here's what I found! (Part 5)

[@matthewluedtke3467]

It is nice to actually hear what the Ugaritic texts say. Heard about them in an archeology class, but never got the content. I felt it was kept vague to put down scripture.

[@jeremiahmichelesummers7140]

I always found that strange in my theology classes, we never got into the weeds, but just talked about what something said. Going back I have taken the time read some of the works and people we talked about in my Early Church history classes etc.. and found a trove of information that was not touched upon or skipped over. Why I don't know, but some of it flys in the face of the reformers and modern thought. Now I tend to not trust someone else's synopsis and if I find what they're saying interesting I just read the source material for myself.. it was nice to have it actually covered in detail and not just paraphrased.

[@kimberlina68]

My Christian journey started with Catholic Church and noticed we had a few more Books than my friends /family being Baptist. That's when I wanted more Books. It fills in the Blanks.

[@matthewluedtke3467]

@@jeremiahmichelesummers7140 the gospel is simple, God's word is not. We try to make God as simple as the faith that saves.

[@matthewluedtke3467]

@@kimberlina68 more books for context are great. I think there is just a disagreement on what each group considers authoritative.

[@timothyhorrell338]

This was one of the most insightful biblical series i have listened to on KZbin. Thank you for taking the time and doing this work to educate on something that enhances the enjoyment and understanding of the reading of scripture

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@timothyhorrell338 I'm so glad you found it helpful! Now if only a fraction of the people commenting on the first episode would do as you have done and watched the full series! 😅

[@timothyhorrell338]

​@@DiscipleDojo I binged listened...fortunately it was a slow day at work

[@dannykoop]

Elijah's story makes SO much more sense now

[@mver191]

So does Jonah, the whole fish story is literally Mut eating him, he spends 3 days in Mut's realm (belly) and is then "spit" out from the realm of the dead at God's doing to continue his mission. This makes the comparison the people in the Bible make with Jesus make a lot more sense.

[@allenwurl6245]

I appreciate you taking the time to create the perfect Video Series for me 👍❤👍 I am Dyslexic reading is not my strong suit but that doesn’t mean I cannot aggregate data. I have surrounded myself with well read people but as individuals they can only come to the conclusions of what they have experienced and if they are not open to new ideas then they will never experience new conclusions. For a long time I have noticed commonalities between all the stories of old but never quite connected them this fluidly to the Judaic religions. Again “Thank You” As a brand new subscriber I’m sure there are more videos on your channel that I will find equally enlightening 🙏

[@anatomicallymodernhuman5175]

Very helpful. In addition to helping us understand the cultural context of the Hebrews, it seems clear to me that this story is a mythological recounting of a traumatic event. No people left? Long periods of famine? What does that sound like? Maybe the Younger Dryas, though the Levant actually seems to have had it relatively good during that time. Possibly the Last Glacial Maximum. Maybe something as recent as the so-called 8.2 kiloyear event. Anyway, it was clearly an experience so profound that it was important for everyone to remember it in perpetuity.

[@atlasdm]

After five videos and several days waiting for release, you've earned my sub!

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@atlasdm I'm honored. 😁

[@chrisanderson6330]

Wow! At first I was leery about this but it has been very interesting. I have a greater appreciation for the Bible.

[@briteddy9759]

Absolutely fascinating! The often obscure imagery makes so much more sense against the background of the Canaanite world view. Thank you.

[@sparhawk5515]

Thanks so much for this video! So much of psalms and biblical imagery makes so much more sense!

[@michaelc.ytuarte9498]

It's one of your best series. Thank you for your content.

[@Old3nough]

Bought all the books and will go deeper, I absolutely loved going along with you on this study. It is so cool to see how God works! This was awesome

[@redemption-ministries]

Great work! This is the first of your videos l have seen and it was very insightful- thank you.

[@SomeeGuyy]

Very good series. I watched each episode in sequence. I know the viewing numbers draw down with each one (hopefully the views will pick up like the first one), but thanks for taking the time to dive into the scriptures to expound more on this topic.

[@tabletop963]

Great stuff brother. Thanks for the series.

[@joegreco8666]

Great series. It gives much needed context

[@micah3209]

This was excellent. Very good introduction to this material!

[@atilathesonofdanubius4277]

Great work...

[@jonmarkbaker]

This is a great series, brother. Thanks for making this.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Thanks for watching!

[@LearndingLife]

Really enjoyable series!

[@jexthegamer]

Thank you so much! Super interesting

[@ilana]

This was fascinating. Thanq for this deep dive ❤

[@simeonreigle2940]

Great series

[@idettaphillis9238]

I lived this series. It opened my eyes and mind.

[@jackfrost2978]

What a great finish to the series. Assuming this is the last in the series. i have heard it said one of the biggest reasons Christianity spread. So far so fast. Was that the other religions were little more than placating Gods who only cared what you provided for them.

[@paulpittman971]

I was really blessed by your "exa-Jesus" ( I cannot spell correctly). I love that God is working in many different cultures to write his word into their hearts and get them ready for the true God.

[@LynneBroughton-l6q]

Marvellous series. Really does it illuminate the Bible and give some sense of why he is so likes kept going back and worshipping these other idols. Also the sense of how wonderful the true God is.

[@satishpani9734]

Excellent explanation

[@cold1895]

Understanding the context to which the biblical text arose from is so important for understanding the significance of the message as well as understanding the perspective of the descendants of Israel. Understanding the even more ancient Sumerian myths is also informative. All these stories are remnants of the antediluvian lived experience of our ancient ancestors. The picture is obscured due to the failing memory of men, but the message of mankind's fall from grace and subsequent destruction is undeniable.

[@jayh8457]

Good series

[@divinelyautistic]

New subscriber... love the content 👌 😌

[@JumpmanJames]

I enjoyed this, thank you.

[@raimondspadaro8211]

This was great!! Learned a lot. Thank you so much. New Sub. God bless you.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Welcome to the Dojo!

[@raimondspadaro8211]

@@DiscipleDojo Yes, Sensi

[@kyle4128]

Thank you this was great

[@mightymadrid]

Baal's son must be Enkidu, Gilgamesh friend

[@gordonwalter4293]

Challenging and interesting. Ugarit was a very rich domain before the rise of Israel, thus it is key to appreciate how the Israeli perspective forged a 'new path' from the more ancient one of the mideast.

[@Kitabake]

Wow, nice video

[@MG-hy5yf]

Beautiful!

[@alternative2104]

Got notifications on.

[@kimberlina68]

Having living in Arizona for 10 years and waiting for the Monsoons, i can understand how people can get confused, wanting relief from the opressive heat. Especially after experiencing that. But I know only Our one and Only God, but just saying i see how that is tempting at that time. Its not right, but i understand how they got tripped up.

[@flashultra181]

very helpful

[@kittydaddy2023]

Somehow Baal Returned is the original Palpatine meme

[@justinnamuco9096]

What software are you using?

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@justinnamuco9096 Accordance

[@theeristicwriter8280]

Fantastic series. Even as an atheist myself, I still took away a great deal from your breakdown of these myths and the cultural context surrounding their creation. Cheers

[@jackfrost2978]

i respectfully submit that we have a lot of emerging data that shows strong potential for reality to be far more complex and dynamic then is academically accepted. Even to the point that "gods' and even God may well exist. Here are a few of the reasons i could not become an atheist. There is a lot of emerging data and science that God and the spiritual realm are in some way real. 1000s of Near Death Experiences have been researched and studied. Out of body experiences. Groups of people using DMT have had mass "hallucinations" of the same entities, giving the same message. We know there are other realities out there and likely higher dimensions. If you pay attention to the problems in science. You start to see how little we know. Anti-matter, quantum entanglement, double slit experiment. All show there is much more out there then we understand. Dark matter and dark energy make up a huge amount of the math in astro physics. The dark is their clever word for "we don't know, but want to pretend that we are not completely lost on this". Culturally speaking. We have enough Science fiction. That if we can imagine ourselves reaching out to other worlds. Why would we expect the same can't be done to ours and too us. We create video games full of vibrant worlds. We imagine ourselves terraforming other worlds. We are currently pushing biological manipulation. Emergent endeavors like nano tech and bio mechanical nano tech. As well as molecular manufacturing. Mean it is within our sight to be able to create environments and realities similar to the stories of ancient cultures. As far as my personal exploration. While there are many differences from religion to religion. There are also many similarities. Why would we not expect higher entities to compete with each other. To have egos. To tell lies. Many religions have the gods only providing if they themselves are provided for. The Bible set up standards and practices that lead to the best average life, for individual and society; throughout multiple generations. This ideal is very rare.

[@johnmills6453]

Have you ever read Christian and Barbara joy obrein's books genius of the few or the shining one's?

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@johnmills6453 no

[@Giles29]

So in Canaanite mythology, Baal wasn't too keen on Asherah either.

[@FirstLast-is9xe]

@DiscipleDojo What software are you using in the videos to compare texts?

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@FirstLast-is9xe Accordance

[@FirstLast-is9xe]

@@DiscipleDojo Great many thanks! The software seems to be great, going to check it out. I love researching old texts!

[@OLskewL]

Please do a review of all the "Skibidy" nonsense and how Gen A may or may not be affected by evil forces...also what can be done about it (always share hope and light because of Christ - Nothing shall be impossible with Him)

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@OLskewL no idea what that is. I'm 46.

[@mojtabaakbarian2511]

I really like mythology

[@yusufmambowitchnemesis]

they are near here.every page i open flies attack

[@KenJohnsonUSA]

This was an interesting take on things. I did notice a few issues with your understanding. For example, Asherah was called the Tree of Life. She is where we get the term in the Bible because the early Hebrews use to also worship Asherah. Often, you refer to God as Yaweh, however the texts you cited never called God Yaweh but rather El or Elohim. The Hebrews used to worship the violent, youthful war god Yaweh and then adopted the older god of laws, love, creation, and order...El. Even in Psalms, where Yaweh is referred to, it is El-Yaweh. What is more specifically loved is how this story is very similar to Thor and his battle with the world serpent. This story is prevalent all across the globe. Even with truly monotheistic groups (not like the pseudo-monothesitic Hebrews) you see a clash not between gods but great creatures...like the Cherokee story of the Tlanuwah (giant man-devouring red and black hawk) destroying the Uktena (giant water dragon). Naturally, as Hebrew culture has always done, they'll shift their beliefs to match the beliefs of their oppressors. This is where Y'shua would say something in John 10:34 that even Christians deny to this day...we all are ultimately as gods by the Creator. How powerful and empowering a message that even the Hebrews of the day knew to be true. Yet, today, the heralds of the harlot on the serpent refuses this truth.

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@KenJohnsonUSA I'm afraid you're very mistaken in your understanding of the Hebrew Scriptures and history.

[@KenJohnsonUSA]

@@DiscipleDojousing scripture, tell me where I am wrong. To say I am wrong, without evidence, is pointless. I cited where I thought there were issues. If I did not give specific verses, I did give the accurate word used in the Hebrew. Am I not at least owed the same level of respect when my assertions are refuted?

[@danielsharp5099]

I’d like to communicate with you. I’d like to discuss the idea that this is a creation, flood and new cycle of nature story.

[@dtony1964]

Do you have this in outline form??

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@dtony1964 I do not. But if you join Actascribe.ai it does a fantastic job of providing outlines and transcripts for videos. They're a friend of the channel and well worth the cost.

[@danielsegui1767]

KZbin: "I don't encourage you to worship Ba'al" Me: too late!

[@Burrdmizzle]

Let's go!

[@will2023-onCensorshipTub]

It's funny cause mot and il is literally my name.

[@willnotquit]

Wow..excellent!

[@austinlance7206]

Imo this is why they buried the ancient mystery religions. Provides too much extra biblical context. And this is why they had to meld it all together into Theosophy, muddy the water more.

[@dyww1615]

Curious if something like this is going on between the Bible and the Quran.

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@dyww1615 the Quran does take biblical ideas and stories and rework them, for sure.

[@dyww1615]

@@DiscipleDojo do you have any recommendations for sources that provide a comparison?

[@MLKusername]

The 2024 Olympics brought me here.

[@divinelyautistic]

In my opinion, all these religions, including the bible, are myths and folktales... In ancient times,, u had a different god for everything. Now we got Yahweh, a universal god with ALL the powers of the other gods within him alone. Basically like having 5 different remote controllers that have different functions, or trade for an universal remote that has all the functions in one..

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@divinelyautistic a better analogy would be a remote designed by the manufacturer and a bunch of knockoffs made by those trying to reverse engineer the original. ;-)

[@Alex-qz5sg]

@@DiscipleDojo Knocks off, by definition, are subsequent, not preceding

[@jackfrost2978]

@@Alex-qz5sg There is a lot of emerging data and science that God and the spiritual realm are in some way real. 1000s of Near Death Experiences have been researched and studied. Out of body experiences. Groups of people using DMT have had mass "hallucinations" of the same entities, giving the same message. We have enough Science fiction. That if we can imagine ourselves reaching out to other worlds. Why would we expect the same can't be done to ours and too us. While there are many differences from religion to religion. There are also many similarities. Why would we not expect higher entities to compete with each other. To have egos. To tell lies. Many religions have the gods only providing if they themselves are provided for. The Bible set up standards and practices that lead to the best average life, for individual and society; throughout multiple generations. This ideal is very rare.

[@gulfcitylibrarian5801]

​@@Alex-qz5sgyes

[@ready1fire1aim1]

The Lord Cycle is an interesting read, for sure. I like when Yam gets renamed to Yaw since that's how we know him today. Weird how nobody cares that Yaw lost theologically in the Bronze Age. He's no true Son of El (Elohim) since he was adopted from the broader levantine polytheism. I guess if your Yam People (Sea People) cause the Bronze Age collapse then everyone just forgets how the character introduced in Genesis 2.4 is the dragon, the twisting serpent and the seven-headed monster.

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@ready1fire1aim1 see our Dragons in the Bible video linked in the description for more on that.

[@christianmyhre7154]

AMA ll

[@stefanstoyanov7460]

I appreciate the presentation of the myth of Baal. The sermon at the end, not so much.

[@sparrowthesissy2186]

A dying and rising god in Canaan... hundreds of years before the Romans showed up. Even before the Greeks. But I'm sure some in the comments will still insist that somehow this proves another story about a supposedly rising demigod. Also, Disciple... it's clear you want one text to be of a fundamentally different nature than the other, but what criteria can we actually apply to ancient texts to determine which of these entities are real and which are just literature? When the Song of Hannah or Song of the Sea talks about Yahweh the man of war who will blow away his enemies with breath from his nostril... how are we not in the exact same genre as these Baal stories? How is that magic real, but every other story of magic is fake? Just because one is more familiar?

[@anatomicallymodernhuman5175]

I think the best way to get the answer to the question “isn’t this the same genre as the Bible?” is to read the Bible. In particular, I would encourage you to compare and contrast it with Genesis 7-50, and with the books of Joshua, I & II Kings, and I & II Chronicles.

[@sparrowthesissy2186]

@anatomicallymodernhuman5175 Yeah, I've definitely read it. Multiple times. That is why I am confident there is significant overlap, and the miracles are all of a similar fantastical nature. The morality is about on par, too.

[@josephpchajek2685]

@@sparrowthesissy2186 Are you seeking out the aid of the holy spirit?

[@sparrowthesissy2186]

@@josephpchajek2685 If Hokma exists, whatever she wants to do to me is up to her.

[@jackfrost2978]

The world is rushing to setup and fulfill the many prophecies of the "end time".

[@YeshuaEshbaugh]

7 eyes of yahweh are always watching ❤

[@sunstardrummer]

7 Spirits of YHWH?

[@frankbauerful]

The Hebrews were stronger than the Canaanites, because the Hebrew god was portabaal.

[@esotericrain3091]

Yahweh is Yam. In the Baal cycle El says that yam’s name is Yah or Yaw. Abrahamic religion is false and stole stories from Anuma elish, atrahasis and made Yahweh a mixed El with Baal but brutal and jealous. They killed all human native natural belief systems.

[@sparrowthesissy2186]

Baal and Yahweh are both of the same pantheon. I get what you're saying, but it doesn't make sense to call one natural and one artificial. They both evolved together.

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@esotericrain3091 nope. You're conflating a bunch of different cultures.

[@esotericrain3091]

@@DiscipleDojo I’m not conflating anything. Genesis story stolen from anuma elish, the story of Noa is the story of Atrahasis. Abraham came from Ur. Mesopotamian and Egyptian religion is the basis of Abrahamic religion. Abrahamic religion is new comparing to old polytheism. Yahweh is mixture of El and Baal read academic books.

[@jackfrost2978]

@@esotericrain3091 Yahweh established best practices for his people. While followers of other religions were often times very debased. Even to the point of sacrificing their future through the sacrifice of their children. Yahweh set up rules for the Jewish people to follow that helped them live better lives individual and societally; generation to generation as long as they followed them. If it was just a copy. They would have renamed the same or similar tropes. The story of the Bible, from a spiritual perspective. Is that there are entities that are given authority. That go against what is expected of them. The devolve into arrogance. Looking to fulfill their own desires over those they have been charged with taking care of.

[@DavidMiller-dt8mx]

Two things strike me as obvious - the gods are superstitious explanation of nature, and the bible is the same stories, assigning all of these superstitions to one god. I'm so glad we don't need the superstitions nowadays. It's quite clear that gods are all myths, and Christianity is the retelling of these myths.

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@DavidMiller-dt8mx spend time with the works of Lewis and Tolkien to see why you have it backwards. :-)

[@DavidMiller-dt8mx]

@@DiscipleDojo I get it. Critical thinking is dying in this country. I don't need to lean on anyone - it's incredibly obvious.

[@samkol202]

@@DavidMiller-dt8mxspot on , love that you think for yourself. I have read several others, same story, different actors 😊

[@josephpchajek2685]

@@DavidMiller-dt8mx No helping somebody that thinks they know it all. You'll read everything to fit the narrative into what you already believe, rather than read with humility and an earnest attitude so that you can learn.

[@DavidMiller-dt8mx]

@@josephpchajek2685...and no teaching critical thinking to faith believers.

[@JohnDoe-tv4zd]

Very good chance that ancient civilizations just like to write storys like books we read today, what happens when someone reads twilight in 2000 years and thinks it might be true

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@JohnDoe-tv4zd not too many politicians today build monuments or base their economic and military policies on Twilight though.

[@johnritter6864]

Thats the thing. People can read Greek or Roman mythology and see stories and learn something from them but the bible is treated as if its true history. I doubt anybody ever lived insdie a whale for three days, lol

[@bloedblarre]

The wadi refer specifically to arabia. This is referring to the greening of the desert when the lord of the earth Baal comes back, it is the islamic end times prophecy..

[@Nibre716]

Quran in soret Al-saffat 125, god says (Do you call upon ˹the idol of˺ Ba’l and abandon the Best of Creators). Thanks alot.

[@johnritter6864]

The best of creators? so there must have been more than one then.