I am VERY salty

[@SpunieBard]

Its looking like the game may be cancelled kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6Kzhmeier2ogMk

[@okankyoto]

Apparently the next update was Layoffs

[@SpunieBard]

lol give us updates!! Wait, no, not like that

[@potatopilot16]

KSP2: The Layoffs Update!

[@Legionofone41]

There was an update today.

[@MikeTaylor-tw5wb]

Turns out this aged well..

[@tackyinbention6248]

The next update is For Closure!

[@derranthefunnyguy]

As sad as it is to admit it, I've just stopped looking forward to new games these days. I've been let down so many times in recent years that it's killed any hope I have for good games to come out. I'm not even excited for GTA VI, and I've been waiting for that game for 10+ years Cities skylines 2 and Kerbal space program 2 were the only games I was looking forward to, and they are both a horrible mess that's not worth your money or time.

[@AtakenSmith]

There is a big hype around it, so you might know, but I would suggest Manor Lords for you and those who like management games. It's indie and looks and feels promising based on the demo which came out a year or two ago. Reacting to your comment, sadly I completely agree. I work on KZbin channel which makes reviews and feel like I just copy my previous review every time "There are some bugs, which can ruin your time..." etc... Like I should just stop saying it cause at this point every game comes out buggy.... Even Baldur's Gate 3 which was overall an outstanding game had sooo many bugs...

[@pitekargos6880]

​@@AtakenSmithFun fact about Manor Lands, it's developed entirely by 1 Polish dude.

[@Ollie-Arts]

I would suggest Hades 2 if you want a game made with actual passion behind it. It's in early acces right now(and for the rest of the year) but it's only $30 rn :]

[@5Andysalive]

that is just generalized nonsense!

[@scpguy1381]

I fell like this video was foreshadowing a little

[@SpunieBard]

Sadly whenever developers go as silent as these did it almost always ends this way, still might not be the end tho! Time will tell

[@scpguy1381]

@@SpunieBard I certainly hope it’s not, multiplayer is the one thing I care about, other than game stability of course, all the other stuff it possible to add with mods

[@Fieryxjoe]

​@@SpunieBardBlackrack just posted he is looking for a new job. If they were planning to continue development he would be one of the last people they'd fire as he was doing the work of 10 devs.

[@coffin7904]

​@SpunieBard I'm gonna be real with you chief. Don't hold hope when see you next Tuesdays like taketwo acquire studios. It's over lol

[@justinw1554]

the 50 dollar price tag is totally unacceptable. like you said 10 or 20 bucks ok fine but at 50 it's just greedy and wrong and it sets a terrible precedent that game companies can sell a broken game for full price and just shrug and say "lol early access". there needs to be refunds if the roadmap isn't going to be completed in a year or two.

[@SpunieBard]

I was just talking with someone about how they need to hold devs more accountable for early access mishaps. I agree, having a realistic roadmap with a refund structure if milestones aren't met in a reasonable amount of time seems like a solution I could support

[@schrodingerspat]

⁠@@SpunieBardblaming devs is like a red flag to a bull to me. I have been in engineering management for a long time and blaming the devs is not cool. Yes dev estimates could be way off but that’s what engineering management is for, they should know if estimates are way off. What’s more likely is the devs were given dates and told to hit the dates. The devs will do their best to hit dates by cutting corners but that ends up making more work for the next phase.

[@fennoman9241]

@@schrodingerspat Nah the devs sucked, they could not do in all the time they had what one dev did with ksp 1.

[@Bamamarama]

Huge difference is that NMS never tried to justify the lack of content. They just went completely silent and fixed the game. Every time we here from KSP2/Nate it feels like the he is trying to justify the state of the game, which in my opinion is completely unjustifiable. Or, gaslighting us, trying to tell us the game is great. Multi-billion dollar companies should not release EA games, especially in this state. I get that Intercept Games/Private Division/Take-Two aren't really the same, but at the same time, yea they are. Releasing an unfinished game is on thing. KSP2 minus roadmap would have been annoying, but fine. Releasing a completely broken WIP is totally different. Yea I'm salty too.

[@SpunieBard]

I completely agree

[@Demontoastslayer]

Game just got cancelled

[@NoNoSot]

it was put on the chopping block. it may be cancelled we dont know for sure. but yes things look that way, but you never know what may happen

[@ultimate9056]

​@@NoNoSotcopium

[@NoNoSot]

@@ultimate9056 yea… I faced fax since then, I didn’t want to accept the truth

[@GIRGHGH]

To be frank, I'm pretty sure the decrease in mid-update patches is specifically in order to speed up feature update frequency, something people have been screaming at them about, like here. They got all the quick and easy fixes out of the way so going for the next ones first would mean every update takes as long as For Science. If they're holding off for this long, I think it must mean that they're focusing their bug fixing on the dev build, which would mean the colony update shouldn't send the stability of the game back into the dumpster. Now that we've had a look at their development since the game released, how early access is going to go is pretty much factually known, so no more surprises. The road map is going to at minimum take 5 years to complete, with stability and performance increases steadily keeping pace with complexity, just barely balancing.

[@michelians1148]

You guys sound like Star Citizen backers. These games are all obvious scams.

[@davidareeves]

Proof graphics is not everything KSP1 FTW honestly, this new group need to find another profession

[@LOBOTOMIAxoxo]

Being a fan of science games is tough

[@thishollowhill]

Science themed and flight simulation always seem to be doomed 😢

[@mozofoz]

I'm wondering about refunds ? When they released the "early access" which actually was only a first part of the game not a total game awaiting refinement, they jumped to full game price instead of an early access price. I was happy to pay it as I was excited for the full game. Now if it turns out we've paid for a full game and not received it, there has to be grounds for reimbursement is there not ? I'm back to playing KSP 1 with 72 mods and ...... loving it :)

[@joseph7972]

I have 7 minutes of game time but I bought the game last year and the refund attempt was rejected by steam. I was going to play it eventually but now it's DEAD!

[@mozofoz]

@@joseph7972 seems we've been scammed then ... altho in their defence it was the parent company shutting them down. But they were moving way too slow anyways.

[@joseph7972]

@@mozofoz What was it like 7 years of development? Just to copy paste KSP1s code. Wish I got paid to sit around and do nothing all day.

[@shaynegadsden]

​@@mozofozyou didn't buy half a game when you buy an EA game you are buying it as is and if you were stupid enough to pay that much for what they offered you kind of got what you deserved

[@tommybronze3451]

when they said "we won't support mac / linux" I already knew what it will become - a single shot DX (insert version here) pretty graphics with no substance behind it.

[@Khether0001]

I'm not buying 2 until it is more stable and has more to offer than 1 modded, but chatting with other KZbinrs who are playing KSP 2 it *feels like it is actually stable enough to be played now after the science update* can anyone confirm that?

[@snswarrior3562]

I have 190 hours in the game. So far after the latest update, it has been stable so far. I do run into the odd bug occasionally, but nothing a quickload cant fix, most of my issues come from long term missions that require a lot of saving and loading (sometimes antennas and solar panels would not work as expected) but a restart usually fixed the issue. There is an update coming in the next few weeks, so maybe wait for that if you still have reservations. I would at least recommend it if its on sale if you dont want to pay full price.

[@bryan81584]

It is stable but man there's a lot of bugs that come up still.. performance is solid, game is solid. Takes a bit of getting used to, but you do notice things that are missing or don't work well. But then there are things that work better. Like loading times.

[@Gutigwolfe]

If you haven't read the news yet, then don't buy it unless they can confirm the game isn't a dead project.

[@Khether0001]

​@@Gutigwolfe Aw man, I saw that. Looks like they fired a bunch of people. I'm crushed about that, but unfortunately they made so many severe mistakes for so long. But at least KSP 1 remains very strong and already provides so much more than KSP 2 has ever promised and I'm shocked on how stable the thing is even popping in and out hundreds of mods! At least to me, the stuff feels sturdier than a Nokia 3310! When a project we like goes belly up, sooner or later "spiritual successors" are bound to come, maybe that's what it takes for modders to come up with better solutions for KSP 1 than even KSP 2 would arguably provide us, who knows when, if at all. And even if they don't, the ideas of colonies and everything else is already in everyone's minds, we'll still get to play with some even more polished version of all of that... eventually... perhaps even earlier than the current KSP 2 team would be able to provide! Holy crap I'm being positive on this one! Haha!

[@Gutigwolfe]

@Khether0001 not just laid off, but they shut down the entire studio making the game. Best we can hope is they keep a handful of people to finish the game and move them to a different studio. But ya, with mods Ksp1 has all new planets, ground base parts and all new systems you can add. Been thinking of checking some out once Im done with the main game. 500 hours and I still haven't explored even a fraction. Most I landed on ever was Minmus the Mun and Duna, think Ike one time. The game is packed with things to do and I don't think Take Two realized that, or just didn't care. They said make a sequel and try to get some money back, yet it failed cus the bar that was already to the Sun.

[@IvanRodriguez-tl2zr]

I think this is just a case of needing to be patient. Though KSP 2's development has been far from prefect, we shouldn't deny the game a chance just because we have to wait a bit. Every time there is a long period between an update, the community turns on the devs and acts like the game is a lost cause again. This has already happened.

[@PapaSkyRooster]

exactly people hate on shit wait to quick these days people just need to be fucking patient gosh

[@IamMortui]

@@PapaSkyRooster $20 off from full price is quite a high amount to be asking for patience.

[@PapaSkyRooster]

And game development isn’t cheap

[@IamMortui]

@@PapaSkyRooster All while being funded by a multi-million dollar AAA publisher. It's pennies to them.

[@PapaSkyRooster]

@@IamMortui indeed its not the devs fault it was released when it did because the publishers are indeed greedy and impatient

[@shyrd]

You're right, but there's nothing we can do. It seems like they just don't have enough experienced developers to work faster, if any. To me it looks like they tried to jump over the head but failed at it.

[@vistaero]

Problem is they started the game from scratch and they thought it would be easier than it actually was. It took 10 years for KSP 1 to be the masterpiece it currently is. You can't just ditch all that code assuming you'll figure out everything again. For example, reentry heat is actually not that trivial. The physics about that are a nightmare, so you have to make your own game friendly formula that looks realistic enough. Pretty sure they are still wondering why their attempts don't work as well as in the original game...

[@shaynegadsden]

KSP didn't take 10 years it was already a masterpiece before it even hit 1.0 which was less time and with a fraction of the manpower that has already gone into KSP2 not to mention they didn't start from scratch KSP2 is built in the same engine and they have the KSP code as reference not to mention the whole games concept and design was completely laid out

[@haltux]

They did not ditch the code they kept it. That's one of the issues.

[@TormodSteinsholt]

With the bugs that took years to not properly address and weeks turning into months, I think the writing was pretty much on the wall.

[@XD9rottie]

This is the last time I do any Early Access, ever. I'm so pissed off. If there was anyway to get my money back or even 1 cent of it back I would do it.

[@offendersofficial]

in the business, we call this "foreshadowing"

[@monsieurouxx]

the whole dev team all got fired. *Take two* (the editor) has been greedy since day one (so set on keeping all the rights to themselves that they poached the entire dev team and caused a 6-months set back). Now they simply cancel the project after "discovering" that you can't just do top-down development on a game like this one.

[@snswarrior3562]

They stopped communicating because every time they post anything they get flamed like crazy in the comments and trying to defend themselves makes it look worse. So no wonder they're not communicating with us. The community is toxic

[@ewkerman4185]

The community is toxic now they feel scammed. Many people including myself were rooting for them but they pushed out something unplayable. unless they ramp up a dev team this game is not going to be at a 1.0 till 2028. Even NoManSky way playable on day one. I can forgive lack of features, but when i can not do a simple moon mission with out running into 3 game breaking bugs, it does not feel like I am playing a game as much as playing 'QA employee simulator.'

[@deltacx1059]

I mean it took these people twice as long to make a half as complete product as the small amateur team from a interactive marketing firm.

[@Hermentotip]

KSP1 vet here, and my outrage is beyond words... We should freaking riot like the HD2 players did with Steam/Sony

[@fertileplanet7756]

I like how literally the same day you made this complaining about how they went silent on us, they posted an announcement about the next set of improvements on Steam. Maybe some devs saw this and did that as a response.

[@SpunieBard]

Haha maybe! Followed closely by the news of possible cancelation

[@fertileplanet7756]

@@SpunieBard Perhaps T2 saw my comment and decided to say "screw you" lol

[@bryan81584]

They put out another update a few days ago finally. Not a patch, just a "We're still here" update. along with whats coming up in the next little patch or major update. They showed a preview of the latest Blackrack clouds hes been working on, some other visuals and other things. No ETA though.

[@vghfr69]

layoff update going crazy

[@nugs2727]

Its funny how a small group of devs made a bigger and more successful game then an entire company. (I'm assuming ksp 1 was originally created by a small group of people)

[@MrFranklitalien]

studio has a history of banking on false promises and selling everything after underdelivery. not the same studio that made KSP1, you can't expect the same culture

[@OperationDx1]

It's dead Jim. Game over man!

[@HandFromCoffin]

Who could have seen this coming? The early dev was a total disaster.

[@YassaviShayiskhunn]

I no longer buy any game until it's complete or pretty close to it. I'm sick of being lied to then scammed by game devs who talk like their game is going to be the best ever, then producing very little.

[@millamulisha]

They fleeced all the loyal KSP supporters; made a bunch of promises, rushed out an incomplete product then cut and run. 😥

[@biggerlicious]

what's your dog called, "aureau" ? (pronounced oreo)

[@ansambel3170]

aged like fine wine

[@kylesworldofwacky6004]

KEEP KSP2 GOING!!!!!!

[@nockieboy]

I LOVE KSP1 - it's my most played game on Steam. But I smelled a rat with KSP2 and I'm so glad I didn't fork over AAA money for this train wreck.

[@hellyelcio]

Lets be hones, since Take2 bought ksp, it was fate.

[@QuantumChance]

how about stop giving devs money before they release any semblance of a product. The fact the that early access didn't even resemble the integrity of KSP1 was all the evidence I needed to not sink 50 bucks. Stop being the sucker by stop giving questionable and lazy business models your money. That's the only solution, I'm sorry.

[@angellestat2730]

I never bought KSP2 because did not change the 2 aspects that I hated the most from KSP1, which are lack of a procedural part approach for design (which limit creativity, increase load time and memory resources and decrease the overall realism of the design and manufacture process) and the lack of interest from creators to be realistic in the game simulation. Now KSP2 no only does not have that, I would said is worse in any metric to KSP1.

[@Sturmovik1946]

My biggest gripes with KSP as well. If you are interested in aircraft and aerodynamics, Flyout on steam takes the modular 3D design approach to this.

[@jort93z]

KSP 2 has procedural wings. But it is even less realistic in some ways, yeah.

[@SmallAndDisfigured]

​@@jort93z I mean procedural wings aren’t for the stock aerodynamic simulation. They’re for the use of Ferram Aerospace Research (FAR) with the enhanced simulations of transonic flight specifically.

[@angellestat2730]

​@@jort93z Yeah I know.. KSP 1 also had a general mod for some procedural parts (like wings and tanks), but the vainilla parts were also there taken UI space and memory. I tried to install several times a selection of mods that added realism and extra freedom to vainilla, but despite I did not added any enhancement graphics mod, the game was still unplayable by extra bugs and how slow it become. SimpleRockets2 made procedural almost perfect, but everything else was missing. I do not care if something is hard to develop (like anything with realism), but I least I need to have the word from developers that they will pursuit that path, instead saying that wobble rockets are fine and the rest of the arcade aspects too. I understand that this might be the game that some want, but well, is not my case. And I fell sorry for those players who can not get even that with KSP2.

[@shoryaagarwal677]

Huh, I'd say RO/RP-1 is quite realistic

[@Infernal_Elf]

Dead game rip KSP2 Killed by greedy owners.

[@robertmoar8588]

There will always be somebody who likes crap. No matter the product. But if you support crap, you get fed more crap. Consequences for blind misguided loyalty. Just like the hangers on of Cities Skylines 2.

[@lucamoser4802]

Uhhh algorithm brought me here Same page as you, kinda sad, maybe they should try to reorganice everything, pretty sure they still can make the jump

[@SpunieBard]

In an interview the creative director for the game said that they had reorganized the team into feature specific groups and that would allow them to push updates and features out more efficiently. That was back in early Dec though, so...

[@thishollowhill]

​@@SpunieBardIsn't the creative director a former mod maker? Doesn't give much hope to the project without the original team, tbh.

[@quinnhutson5566]

How very prescient

[@Vasher-The-Destroyer]

I want to buy it to save it.

[@Gutigwolfe]

Coming in 6 days later, you seem to be right in being Salty, especially if the theory the game is now dead is true. I mean with no devs left, whos gonna make it?

[@08sfoote]

Spunie! I love your Starbase videos!

[@SpunieBard]

Thanks! I am also salty about what happened to Starbase lol still a fun game though!

[@claxvii177th6]

Foresight is 20/20

[@davidmurphy563]

Huh. I kinda want to buy it now.

[@thetruth45678]

Called it! 🤣🤣🤣

[@therocinante3443]

I purchased it, played for a half hour, and got a refund. I know a scam when I see one!

[@danielmarchetti6052]

Producing a game is like to need time like everthing in this world need time is like building a plane whit restriced time it will be unstable and unsafe for fly so they have aledry made a big step for them to make a game whit realistic clouds tree nature and the animation so they try to do they best even ksp1 needed time untile it became what is now

[@allgreatfictions]

When a game is released on Early Access, it has this little tag above the Buy button that says, "Note: This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development." So, complaining about an Early Access game being incomplete feels really pointless to me. Yes, it sucks that it's not further along than we'd want it to be, but it's being developed. It's in Early Access, and they don't owe you anything. If they only charged $10 or $20, that's all they get from you forever. You don't get charged again when the game goes to a full release. I personally wouldn't pay full price for Early Access as it is now, but, again, complaining about the state of a game and its price when it's in Early Access feels pointless. As for the No Man's Sky equivalence, you said it didn't even take a few months for the game to get to the state its in now, but within the first 2 years, they'd only put out 3 updates. It's also important to note that No Man's Sky was a HUGE deal being what it was when it was released, because they promised a shitload of stuff and then, as you said, it still isn't really what was promised 8 years later. A much better game maybe, but not what was promised. And that was a full release. You get no promises with Early Access. So stop being salty about something as open and honest as Early Access is and have some fun playing KSP 1, since that's clearly what you want to do.

[@Albertamere2]

yep, u said it all

[@ight_imma_head_out]

Yeah but perpetuating dropping incomplete games that require years of updates to get to playable is just annoying af and all developers need to stop doing it. Early Access isn't a crutch to launch a game that was no where near ready and charge money for it just to never update the damn thing to even playable. I admire developers for their work, but the studios can gtfo with this crap

[@DragongeekAndCo]

I generally agree that "Early Access" is a gamble in the same way that, for example, supporting a Kickstarter project might be. That said, I think the situation is a bit different there. The team/company behind KSP / KSP2 isn't some small two-man indie operation, they're an actual company with a bunch of actual employees and money, and them using the Early Access program feels a bit disingenuous. Additionally, while Steam does have the "Early Access Disclaimer", if you look at the marketing and publicity material that has been generated about KSP2, they sure are trying to sell it quite hard. Their videos are all like "available now!" and celebrating a 1 year anniversary isn't really something you should do if you haven't actually released a full game. They were, also very deliberately, feeding the hype train up to the release, which again, something they shouldn't have done for EA. Personally, I don't think that EA games should do any advertising at all--the purpose of EA is to give die-hard community fans a closer connection to the developers and provide community feedback, something that can be done with a very small fanbase, not to drum up sales for an incomplete product.

[@benjaminrickdonaldson]

it was sold at full price. Over 1 year in and the game still sucks. Thats a problem

[@roycebrockelman4882]

this comment should be pinned

[@henryhargraves4184]

My first attempt at a space shuttle in ksp 1 went better than this lol

[@adamheat-re1dw]

Original KSP is fine. And mature software. Just needs new textures. Should be baseline for expansion.

[@bikingchad]

I guess I picked the wrong time to sub to your channel

[@ivolol]

Bro, you jinxed it, why would you do that

[@SpunieBard]

lol my god, what have I done....

[@portalguy1432]

i bought this for 77 dollars 🎉

[@spaceboitv5646]

The truth is, the game was rigged from the start...

[@Winston-lf7sb]

bad game, bad product, bad developer team. good art department. hope the last one finds a better publisher. the "kraken" is nothing but incompetence on display. ksp2 was an even worse done ksp1 with shiny graphics. they never had a solid game to begin with. they had an educational program that they took too far. good riddance to bad developers.

[@aarobriggs2665]

You are a prophet man....I'm so sad 😒😒

[@baaldiablo8459]

Imagine purchasing KSP1 DLCs lmao get effed

[@anisdjerrab]

I still think that they will implemant all those updates in a relatively near future.

[@SpunieBard]

I hope you're right

[@fennoman9241]

lol

[@monkeysfromvenus]

It was pretty obvious to me that the game was gonna be rough back when they started releasing all those self-flagellating devlog videos

[@SpunieBard]

yeah...that's never a good sign

[@monkeysfromvenus]

​@@SpunieBardYeah, also the bizarre decision to use unity with the same stock physics engine that ksp 1 used. I just can't imagine a seasoned gamedev making that decision for a new physics sandbox game in the current year. And then there was that weird development hell period. Really I just think that the devs got handed a project that they weren't nearly experienced enough to handle and lost themselves in the excitement of getting to work on a beloved IP. It's really sad all-around. I do think that there is a significant enough vacuum in the market for someone else to pick up the torch and try under a new IP given a few years.

[@SpunieBard]

I think so too, I am really hoping it gets handed off to someone though and doesn't once again begin from scratch.

[@thishollowhill]

KSP2 is insanely disappointing. Dont know why the Dev team decided to reinvent the wheel and then tried to make said wheel a square. I bought into Early Access in KSP back when 0.1 was released. And after two or three major updates, it had more than what KSP2 offers currently. KSP2 should just he shut down, and they should refocus on content expanding DLC on the first. But they're greedy and pompous.

[@SpunieBard]

Looks like that might be exactly what's happening

[@atruinaugustus]

I miss tue early 2000s... everything since has been trash

[@SpunieBard]

It really was a golden era, but nothing gold can stay

[@RealILOVEPIE]

Game development is hard, They're also a very small team that is making a niche game for a small community. Yes, the price was high, yes they are still working on it.

[@snswarrior3562]

for real. They're not posting as much because the community wont stop harassing them every update and ignoring all of the progress thats being made on the game. you cant really blame them for keeping updates to a minimum.

[@fennoman9241]

@@snswarrior3562 lol

[@MrAmad3us]

Duck

[@Hepad_]

Early access must stop.

[@benjaminrickdonaldson]

reentry heat...?

[@hacknwack4065]

Hitting the atmosphere at orbital velocity has a lot of friction, making your capsule get quite spicy

[@benjaminrickdonaldson]

@@hacknwack4065 i was meaning how he said the games missing reentry heat. also its not friction its air compression. As you hit the atmosphere coming from orbital velocity all the air molecules get ionized and build up on the vessel which eventually turns into plasma

[@thecatgod280]

Bro ur overreacting, ksp 2 is a great game.

[@SpunieBard]

I wish I was. The entire development team was laid off two days ago and the studio is closing in June. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6Kzhmeier2ogMk

[@YasumiLove]

50$ for a AAA title ? XD make it 80$ and you getting close

[@Bonbon1948]

Cry more. Can you do it better?

[@Sturmovik1946]

Ah, the old "you can't complain if you can't make a better product" argument.

[@jort93z]

Wth is this argument lmao. He is obviously not a whole game development studio combined into one person. Are you not allowed to criticize a movie because you couldn't make a better one by yourself?

[@PapaSkyRooster]

its called patients are u a game developer prolly not so take ur salt somewhere else

[@hacknwack4065]

Doctor! He isn’t a game developer! How will we save the patient now!

[@Simon-px8mi]

Blame the greedy fucking studio. Not the devs.

[@SpunieBard]

True. But I blame the devs for not talking to us, that part is definitely on them.

[@Simon-px8mi]

@@SpunieBard listen. They cannot speak up against the publisher. If they could i think there would be some very strong words.

[@fennoman9241]

@@Simon-px8mi Yes they could.

[@Simon-px8mi]

@@fennoman9241 Theyd get fired??

[@fennoman9241]

@@Simon-px8mi Insider leaks are a thing, many youtubers, etc. Take such leaks without sharing your identity.