I Analyze The Top 50 Decks Of This Year and How They Look After EDH's Craziest Ban To Date

[@Luastardust]

*fast forwards to winota*

[@DVS57REBEL]

My winota will now be a "casual" deck can't mulligan aggressively 😅

[@CensorOCE]

Did the same thing haha 😂 but with these bans can add some duskmourne cards more easily

[@marco1405]

Lua everyone is waiting your winota upgrade, and what to add i stead of the banned cards

[@zbronstein3901]

51:49

[@perryhunter1]

@@zbronstein3901Was going to commment this lol

[@cobalt3142]

Inalla pilot here. Played a few games at my LGS the other day, honestly didn’t really feel like I was set back too much. Not being able to recur dockside and do crazy lines was a bummer, and Gambling for a Sol Ring instead of a Crypt was a minor letdown, but compared to other decks we didn’t really lose a whole lot. I wasn’t on dockside loops to begin with, so these bans gave me even more breathing room to put in better card draw engines and interaction than I had before.

[@JpDubbed]

inalla was one of the first few i noticed that were barely hit. you still have main lines just less ramp

[@salvocrey]

I'm an inalla player and I've noticed the same thing. Still only need to hit 4 mana to win lol

[@felswuun]

inalla player here for me dockside felt like a win more card extra breathing room if someone tried stopping win

[@josh5880]

Yeh completely agree, slowed down a little but so did the whole format. Not playing Jeweled lotus at all anyway definitely makes us more immune to the bans

[@addictedtomints9433]

Also the amount of decent combos has come down to oracle, underworld breach, and dualcaster mage and inalla also has spell seeker. This deck looks the best. Everything else seems subpar. The only thing is lack of mana dorks but idk with obm idk if dorks are gunna really be great.

[@Mamba604]

I am so happy for Talion and MetaPod going up in rankings. Basically, you were either playing with Dockside, against Dockside, cloning Dockside. Dockside carried the color Red like Kobe Bryant carrying the 2006 Lakers.

[@enoesiw]

For Urza: And now you also get Hargbinger of the Seas for your very own Magus of the Moon!

[@tristanmoschetto8571]

Etali players, sound off. I'm in full doomer mode, I need someone to tell me everything is gonna be alright lmao

[@billjensen51]

Everything is going to be alright ... not for an Etali deck but in the grand scheme of things, everything is going to be okay.

[@AkatsukiTim]

I loved that deck and lost that deck in the course of a week

[@jarredjenkins8054]

Etali got whooped now a bottom of tier 2 deck maybe even tier 3 fringe

[@Magnet977]

Everything is gonna be alright. Not for Etali though. I think this is the shivan meteor coming for the dinosaurs moment for him.

[@dololi]

Honestly, I took it apart

[@Buych778]

I like the recent content push recently and the optimism you have for the format...makes me feel a lot better about the format knowing that the people we all watch are rolling well with the punches and makes me excited for where we can go with this!

[@Magnet977]

16:48 Dedicated Krark/Sakashima pilots, sometimes referred to as coin-flipping lunatics hated by editors everywhere.

[@harvenger0death]

Thank you! I was looking through hoping for a time stamp!

[@ryanplambeck266]

Sticker goblin will be our new dockside and we will just keep on trucking

[@Snamify]

Tevesh/ Kraum and I had so good times in the previous midrange meta. As the meta picked up speed it got harder, now it’s basically unplayable. Same for Korvold.

[@nickaminski7364]

Comedian being this most optimistic person is what the community needs, but its still hard to see light at the end of the tunnel

[@PubStompMTG]

Something to think about, any deck that uses clones to copy dockside, has taken a hit. Of course, there are uses outside of dockside. But it will be interesting to see if clones will played as much

[@joshuajohnson2532]

I took two of my clones out of Kinnan. Now I’m only on clones that can copy TOR

[@TheUrDragon25]

I think copying obm is big game, but not as much as dockside ofc.

[@ruhrohrhyno8444]

didn't even consider that, such a good point. dockside was probably the biggest clone target by far

[@_Valediction]

atraxa and tivit love this

[@pearcehubbart3767]

My atraxa list got so much better because now I won't get randomly cloned.

[@jarredjenkins8054]

Tymna+Thrasios welcome back !! Didnt run dockside Didnt run Jeweled lotus Mana crypt barely did anything All the competitors are way slower

[@B1gLupu]

Losing Nadu is not insignifant, but its fine

[@Saltymoles]

Which version is the best? Im interested in switching over from blue farm but im not familiar with them enough to know. I like the hulk list tho

[@LoboGuarah]

Love me some obm triggers. Still think tnt isn't strong with obm out.

[@WanderingOzz]

Probably tender consultation​@@Saltymoles

[@jukaiforest]

I picked up Tameshi at the beginning of the summer and picked up pieces to build Yuriko the week before the ban update. I know a lot of players are struggling, but boy am I thriving rn haha

[@C9Coddiwomple]

As a long time Yuriko pilot I am eating! The only downside is people are even more scared of us now

[@tobomy]

You put this out after like a day and a half. You are a machine!!!

[@tjc.9999]

Immediate takeaways off the top of my head: - I think Rocco is still fine, I think it is definitely a viable food chain deck, the lack of the early fast mana sucks but excited to see how pilots adapt - Sultai is probably back on the menu? Thras Francisco becomes less of a meme and a potential turbo naus strategy while Tevesh although slower is still an option - Pour one out for all my Dargo boys - Blues Clues is going to have to pivot hard but still probably has legs - I’ve been working on a thrasios vial smasher list with my buddies for months now that we were just about to debut at our LGS next 2k, but the RC brought it to the farm upstate and we will never see it again. Alas, here’s to the greatest deck that never was.

[@Snamify]

For the topic of identity in Thrasios / Vial Smasher: I am playing for a long time now Birthing Pod and it is pretty consistent and you are in good colors for protected Kiki-Jiki lines. Yes we lost the best enabler for casting Birthing Pod with Dockside, I am still happy that we gain more time with these bannings. Kinnan in the 99 takes the place of Dockside for sure. Also Gaea‘s Cradle becomes more important as it already was.

[@BudgetPubStomper-lr7nh]

Just started watching. Shit. I’m guessing now you’re all gonna have your attention drawn to Malcolm Tana.., but I wanna be a hipster. Leave it alone. Play Kinnan. 😉

[@Hosoeh]

If only Gaea's wasnt around 500$, that would be an auto-include :' ^)

[@Snamify]

@@FirewynnTV proxy is the way to go

[@Snamify]

@@Hosoeh proxy is the way to go

[@robertleeshinkle8446]

Are you playing the deck I created called Vile Pod? I am Intrebec.

[@natsuoishidou398]

I was against the ban of Dockside but damn just based on the top 50, you can see how much the whole meta was shaped around Dockside. Did it kill red? I don't necessarily think so. I even think the lack of it will make the meta more surprising and finally we can explore underexplored stuff

[@crisgon9552]

We can play artifacts now lol

[@jackbuggeln4870]

They damn banned half of the best red cards As long as underworld breach is better than yogmoths will red is playable imo

[@jackbuggeln4870]

Also rograk is broken

[@TheRealLachlan]

An entire format warped around a single card doesn't seem healthy.

[@TwoHanderVGC]

He's right. I find myself scrambling to pick up the pieces of what was once my Korvold deck.

[@lordalara1911]

As a very sad Korvold player I picked up Yuriko. Yuriko feels great especially since stacks are starting to make a comeback. I have made changes to my Korvold list for the current meta but the deck no longer has a great way to catch up and it's about 15 cards different.

[@ryansegura8566]

Same 😢

[@eyeh0]

I’m hoping to see more Sultai decks pop back up.

[@troygahrs4554]

I'm looking to put some Tasigur action in

[@trveheimer6360]

@@troygahrs4554 was about to say time to bring my first edh deck from my fav magic set back for cedh

[@jaketrickster]

Been cooking on Zaxara recently

[@thief_Entertainment]

I think some "one turn too late" decks that were not mentioned may start to make a resurgence. Decks like Chulane, Pako/Haldan, and Tasigur who didn't feel much of, or any, pinch from the banned cards could start to make top 16 appearances.

[@ronin5802]

pretty sure RogSi is just kinda the best deck in the format still, TnT, Atraxa, Magda, and Kinnan are all def top 10, but playing into a slow format make it susceptible to the crazy fast openers made possible by Rog w/black, eg. Culling the Weak --> Naus

[@a.velderrain8849]

I don't think Atraxa is really the big winner Ian is making it out to be. Atraxa was on EVERY clone, and often those could come in as Dockside to help cast Atraxa. Now they are only in there to clone Atraxa.

[@onlyhuman3281]

I love you demeaner and approach to this entire situation! Ian thank you for being a calm voice amidst the storm and the angry Timmy's and the confusion! Keep up the great work bud My Rog/Si deck: I swapped out Crypt, Dock side and Lotus - Added Rings of Bright hearth combo am hoping my Cedh deck can still do the thing.

[@diegofernandesemilianosilv9948]

I think Derevi in current meta will get stronger, even with stax version.

[@BVBridesifyer]

Derevi was relevant again only thanks to Nadu. I don’t think he’ll ever be a tournament deck. People take 10 minute thinking through a line through the stax then drop a dork and pass

[@IndridCold00]

This was super useful. It's a weird time to do so, but I'm just now getting into cEDH. Thanks for the meta rundown!

[@thmsdrew]

I appreciate the positive/optimistic/excited tone of this video. There's been a whole lot of doom and gloom and it's a nice change of pace to consume some hyped-up content!

[@dannyp303]

Excited for people to not know what sisay is doing again, all eyes off me is the best way to play

[@Lumautis]

For 3 fari decks i think everflowing chalice is super underrated. You can play it as a 2 mana rock early and then loop it as a 0 later. As an ob pilot i dont care to much about the dockside ban but the rocks hurt. Top is still very good

[@ComedIanMTG]

I am super into this point ngl!!!

[@havardharaldsen332]

Interesting! Would you consider Astral Cornucopia, for a coloured option, or is the 1 extra mana to make it work too steep?

[@Digmeonformore]

you don't care that much? Please share your secret tech :D bc I'm not that optimistic tbh. naus got worse, breaching in rakdos got a lot worse, multiple combos are gone, t1/2 ob got significantly less likely, imp seal and vamp tutor opening hand got massively worse. rakdos took about the biggest hit. but thats just my personal view.

[@ComedIanMTG]

@@havardharaldsen332 2 vs 3 makes a pretty considerable difference

[@jukaiforest]

@Lumautis I'm actually testing Chalice in Tameshi and it's been okay so far!

[@TausHerper]

The two cedh decks I pilot are etali and K’rrik so I’m hurting over the bans.

[@braveblade]

YURIKO IS EATINGGGGG

[@TheUrDragon25]

Eating it to a faster deck, probably. We shall see.

[@evanprimeau3810]

@@FirewynnTV As a dedicated Yuriko player that wins his locals every week against Kinnans and Najeelas, I would not be caught dead with an Excrutiator in my deck. Realistically, you don’t even need Thassa’s Oracle to win games if you’re heavy enough into removal and countermagic, why put a 6 Mana brick into the deck that requires insane amounts of setup? As it stands, you’re already playing so many “bad cards” that Yuriko turns into good ones, but the deck is constantly battling with itself to slot in just enough ninjas that you can get 2-3 triggers a turn, but also have enough countermagic and removal to stop win attempts, AND enough high CMC spells that you aren’t just tickling the table with Yuriko triggers. All in all, it’s a very delicate balance, so every card that isn’t a 1 Mana evasive creature, a Ninja, Interaction, or a Land needs to be absolutely busted.

[@RJP1910]

​@@FirewynnTV That card is literally worse than a basic wastes in that deck lmao

@@evanprimeau3810would you be kind to share your list ?

[@evanprimeau3810]

I have to get it put into Moxfield, but then yes, I will

[@brocknelson964]

Weird question, but how do you feel about The Master, Transcendent now that the Sultai shell has gotten a bit better?

[@postgibson4160]

Second this

[@marcosmartinez7020]

​@@postgibson4160Third this

[@Alikaakui808]

You know those people that say “I played in the flash meta, it is the worst meta, that card can never come off the ban list or it will kill the format!” Now we get to say those things about us playing in the dockside meta 😜

[@a.velderrain8849]

Not even comparable. During Flash, TnT was Tier 0 and the only viable deck. Dockside meta was very diverse. Blue Farm was dominant but there was a dozen decks that could easily beat it.

[@hv7920]

Krark Thrasios did lose a lot, the deck was amazing with Nadu due to being able to target something with a free spell and then possibly get it back with a Krark trigger. Most variants were also on displacer kitten so losing dockside is quite painful. The good thing about the deck was that you are running a massive density of creature tutors, and often the target of those tutors were Dockside or Nadu. So that strategy is a lot weaker now.

[@SpartanT93]

While typically I'm not one to post comments on videos other than asking questions, I feel like I really need to thank you for being about the only cedh content creators that's focusing on where to go from here as opposed to just bemoaning losing their cards or their financial investment. I get that it sucks and I feel for everyone impacted financially or by feeling like their favorite deck just isn't playable anymore, but the positive looking forward content is quite refreshing.

[@Will_Morand]

Been considering getting into cEDH for some time. The decks I was looking at were Stella Lee and Tameshi. Glad to hear they’re still viable.

[@austinmiller3495]

Do you think there is a chance for dawnwaker to make a ressurgence. If so will you be updating your list anytime soon.

[@wad_Mr.J]

You nailed this video topic str8 to the wall. Fantastic commentary, and coverage 👏 this is the video I was waiting for.

[@martinphillips2461]

Love this, no drama just CEDH.

[@tzvirubin9708]

inalla pilot here. have to wait for the meta to settle but inalla's biggest issues in the old meta were 1. rog si was just more efficient (it hurts to say out loud) and 2. fast rhystic was an entire defensible game plan and we just can't win games where there's 3 fish down before our second turn. if the meta overall slows down, and generally people are willing to pay for rhystic more, then inalla gains alot because we should see less turbo rhystic keeps overall. the other thing inalla gains is the deck is insanely difficult but the new bans brought alot of the big guns out of their caves to brew again, and it's entirely possible we're gonna see a new, sleeker list. it's completely up in the air for now and we wont know where we're at for at least another month.

[@Fehter]

Inalla main here, I moved to blue farm but probably heading back to inalla (was my first love). Although I am messing around with some esper lists atm. Inalla really wants to be fast, and it got a little? Slower but barely, at least in compared to other decks. It probably cuts ad naus now and goes to more wizard centric lines, and if the format is slower it lets us combo without worrying about turn one problems as much now. Most decks that drop turn 1 stacks (including rhystic) were a problem then we had to answer. Without the threat of that we can just mull like crazy and try for turn 1-2 wins all the time now. Just my two cents.

[@nicolaslange2439]

Hello, Ian! I've been wondering how you feel about The Master, Transcendent post-banlist?

[@marcosmartinez7020]

That's interesting....

[@lukepeters891]

No Ojer-Axonil is surprising it's really a powerful pick

[@Riverbud]

I think that a yearly rotating banlist would be interesting for cedh. It would be so cool for deck builders, and tournaments would see new decks more often. Not viable for many reasons... But would be cool

[@JacksonX94]

Tameshi pilot here, super stoked about seeing where our boy can take us in this meta

[@joshuagjersand4372]

I'm going to continue to grind Ojer Axonal into 0-2-1's for the fun of it. But I may have a shot at making it out the swiss now. Wish me luck!!😅😂

[@Magnet977]

33:00 We could just call this set of ban's "Rocco's commander death" and it would be pretty fitting for the poor caterer.

[@bananaberryblues9491]

Im excited to see how kraum does moving forward. I’ve been playing Reyhan and Kraum as a pod deck for a while now and love it 😍 But swapping out for Silas and Tana allows for pod combos, recursion for pod, skull clamp, and bolas citadel, and playing a grindy game with blood moon doesn’t sound bad either. #options.

[@A_Swier7]

I believe Blood Pod (Tana/Tymna), Blue Farm (Thrasios/Tymna), Rogsi, Winita, Derevi Stax has a lot of huge potential for the format to start coming to light and wrecking the format in a manner that benefits from a slower format while setting up

[@theycallmelittletoe]

For the Thrasios / Vial Smasher question, black and red for Worldgorger, been playing this brew for years, its a blast!

[@Emzy2217]

As a Krark/Saka pilot, I don't think that the bans of Crypt, Dockside, or J. Lotus hurts the deck that much. Although we lose a deterministic line through displacer kitten, the previous strategy of using rituals and playing a storm playstyle is still very much a thing. I'm excited to see what the new meta offers.

[@boredindividual]

I'm so happy about my thoughts on Yuriko being echoed. Also to add if we do see Stax decks coming back Yuriko has no problems handling them.

[@Jayr322]

+1 on the collab with Mr. Jason Baird

[@voidwalkerMTG]

For Malcolm vial and other Malcolm decks, I think the plan of turn 1 pirate into turn 2 Malcolm can still set you up for a great turn 3. Nonetheless, it’s fallen out of turbo viability and it is not great in the midrange. So yeah, it sucks to see how they murdered my boy

[@ryantomczak2248]

I played Malcolm / Vial in a tournament in August and made top 16. Now the deck is trash. I would have to rely on more card draw engines to have a chance, but even the backup Dualcaster lines are difficult to cast now. Maybe a reanimater list with Hoarding Broodlord could be good? I ran Hoarding, but tutored him with Magda. That won’t happen anymore. Turn two wins are almost nonexistent and turn three are rare now.

[@rogerrabbit132]

Definitely going to try out Leyline of the Guildpact in my Sisay deck now. That plus Orrery/Jegantha might be nuts.

[@novaaze1975]

yes krrik took a massive hit but the krrik cord has made massive strides in what we do and how fast we can do it. bummed about less turn 1 krriks but it's possible and i'm hoping we can still do it!

[@prodijee9615]

Could you provide any brief thoughts on recently performing colorless decks? (specifically Zhulodok and Liberator) Both decks used the rocks, but they also fed Docksides like crazy. Both can have staxy elements & likely can take advantage of games that have an extra turn or two, I think? Liberator is far more combo focused so maybe it's just hurt more than a deck like RogSi (especially when your enabling commander is 3cmc), but that Zhulodok deck might be real happy about these bans.

[@ComedIanMTG]

My initial instinct was that that they win in this situation far more than they lose

[@spiderwebus99]

Where do you think Zhulodok, with the recent surprises, after bans

[@spiderwebus99]

My personal build though I hadn't played it in high power, only lost jeweled lotus.

[@DREADxMAW]

I'm curious on that as well

[@matticus_p626]

As an Ob Nixilis player, I'm not sure how I will change the deck. My list was very close to wounded Satellites, and the deck changes significantly. Not only do you lose the banned cards, but cloudstone curio & cthonian are probably also getting cut now. Similarly magda, cursed mirror and bolas citadel become a pipe dream. Less turn one ob nixilis makes mox amber worse, and your swats & rollicks worse too. Personally, I think I might pivot to something more mid-range. Some light stax to slow the game down like chains, cursed totem or even grafdiggers cage (as breach lines got worse for this deck too, a big way it dumped lots of cards into the bin was dockside & grinding Station.) We can also put in some more value pieces that were cut to maximise the decks speed, like the One Ring. The deck has a lot of 1 or 2 card combos with the commander making generic rakdos combos not *quite* as necessary. Obviously they're still very strong, but many lists that had cut all will be one & agathas soul cauldron in exchange for divining top loops & turbo breach could pick them back up

[@johnhandley3451]

Hello, Inalla diehard here, Top 16 at the TopDeck Open. I can say that Inalla has lost speed with Mana Crypt being gone, but losing Dockside has removed 2 full combos from my list. Chthonian Nightmare is entirely dead now and Ruthless Technomancer loses efficiency outside of the traditional combo. Overall the deck has lost some speed and flexibility, we have way less turn 1/2 win attempts, but we weren’t hit as hard as some other decks were. I am currently testing Hoarding Broodlord lines to get around feeding Mystic/Rhystic and as a build your own Dockside with Technomancer.

[@bchuckable]

I've always been a casual commander player. I just finished saving/building my first cEDH deck (Sisay) about 2 weeks ago. I'm a teacher so I've been kind of busy with the start of the school year and I haven't had time to take it out to the LGS yet. I haven't played it a single time. Hearing that it gets hit hard with this ban has me worried. Sisay players: are you sticking with the deck? If so, what are you adding? I hope it's not Mana Vault.

[@elciocolle_]

Perfect read for Magda, a lot of potential ways to go, very excited to see where new meta get us to

[@benjaminsears8492]

As someone who has put many sleepless nights into Inalla, this ban is more good than bad. Obviously, the speed that we lose on the turn one win attempts sucks but most decks lost that. I think this frees up some more slots to try fringe cards like Snapcaster Mage that fell out of choice with an increasingly fast format. I am excited to see how it goes

[@ComedIanMTG]

seems the inalla folks all agree she's eating well :D

[@crokeyza-team7257]

As a atraxa, praetors voice player. We are going up to tier 2 babyyy (we lost mana crypt but even that was not our best card) get ready to see the proliferate train back

[@thecrowsnest2872]

I think Malcolm Tymna benefits from this. That deck plays really well into the midrange, and has plenty of small useful pirates to produce treasures on a T2 Malcolm. The deck has struggled recently but maybe this shake up will light a fire under its ass

[@jorgegarza8217]

40:55 Been a Blue Pod player since the printing of partner commanders and I can see the difference without the "luxury cards" like Dockside, and Crypt but still feel confident in the deck's ability to adapt since the meta is going to slow down some. I'm going to miss Hullbreaker Horror loops with my Crypt to generate infinite mana to feed Thrasios and some Dockside/ Emiel loops. Also been working on a Tymna/ Kydele list for a while so the loss of Lotus and Crypt are gonna hurt some but looking forward to adding some more enchantments and artifacts now that we don't have to worry about feeding Dockside.

[@elikorn8777]

Whats your thoughts on saruman of many colours. The 6cmc is hard to cast and you sort of want him early enough to turn cheep spells into value. But a pure control esper deck may be in the rught spot now?

[@HighwindstudioTX]

Aa a Shorikai main, I am THRIVING in this new meta. Dockside being banned is like... The best possible scenario for me. These are the good times.

[@mgmed0368]

Is thada adell super good now that it dosnt feed dockside or does losing jeweled lotus really bad?

[@BudgetPubStomper-lr7nh]

WHAAAAT? Ian, I’ve become so used to hearing you reflect my exact ideas. I agree with you almost always on virtually everything. I’m actually kind of happy to hear you say Malcom is dead because it means I will still get max hipster points for trouncing Bluefarm and Kinnan w it. Malcom Tana gets dorks and Malcom in a world where mana is at a premium. No more turn 2 wins?? Sure thing. That was such a rare thing. To be fair, my build has never been turbo Glinthorn and always slanted more midrange. Turn 2 Malcom is not ideal., but it’s fine. We still put those green creature tutors to the best use. I never tutored for dockside anyway. I hope you are wrong about this. I’m the biggest Malcom Stan ever. I think the deck is gonna be better than fine 🤷‍♂️. I guess we will see. 🖖namaste homie. I’m gonna wanna grab another private w you soon. It’s time to cook.

[@garrettdamron2226]

I'm so excited to be playing Sythis harvest's hand, it couldnt really play lotus or mana crypt super effectively, and now is more free to just storm off without dockside to punish you

[@drackoex]

What changed/updated would you do with derevi that's not stasis stuff

[@cassiemay2397]

I think Kinnan is definitely not dead but will be different considering lots of Kinnan pilots are on heavy clone variants but I think a big flips style is favorable but I feel like Mono white decks have gotten a big boost to the arm like Myrel making a mono white Najeela style deck that won’t be punished by the soldiers being artifacts

[@pwoo581]

Love people moving on and figuring out how the meta changes

[@mikeconnors9287]

One of my decks prebans was Ellivere and it did okay with the meta. With crypt/jeweled lotus gone and dockside gone, I am considering attempting full Sythis.

[@toxicsledgeful]

As a Rocco player, if the format is slowing down we have a huge selection of sweeping fetches. I'm moving into a staxier version of Rocco myself instead of the turbo variant of the deck.

[@RoomateNSNL]

I have not played the deck but i wonder if culling ritual is a reason to do thrasios vial ad Nauseam. I do play sultai (thrasios nadier), and culling ritual is messed up card for pushing within sultai, so without dockside i wonder if it a reason to play green with grixis.

[@jackbuggeln4870]

also what do you think about slicer? both in general and after the bans?

[@gatoque12]

My boy slicer will still slice, always slicing never inslacing

[@phill8260]

Lotus Blossom for Niv I played his deck myself. The problem is is that you have to wait for returns unless you can remove counters off of it.

[@whiteraven6795]

I'm your (kinda) new viewer that clearly sees that you know what you are talking about (compared to some others cEDH players) I'm a two years exp Sisay only player, she got way worse, but still can pull out some games. I think that haste enablers are the way to go now. Yesterday this strat got me a win and some attempts. Legolas's quick reflexes I think is an autoinclude now. Even tho i might return to Kinnan, who brought me to cEDH PS Yuriko is cooking as you said, Kaito is great.

[@connieolsen732]

on etali, i wonder if the turbo kinda taking a hit in general punishes etali. mostly because etali kinda relies on its opponents playing explosive cards for its triggers to be good. the fewer nauses, peers, and necros, and the more midrange and stax in the meta (which is where i think these bans are going, with mana denial coming back and the formst slowing down), the less likely i think it is for etali to be able to win just off of casting etali. etali will have to focus a lot more i think on building its own infinite combos than on flipping some game winning payoff off the opposing turbo decks

[@ComedIanMTG]

Very good point :) which makes me sad haha

[@supermassivi1995]

As a Rocco player I'm really sad now, there is ppl trying it out and looking for ways to adapt but I'm pretty low on in. As someone that like creature strategys I'm also sad the Bowmasters still around but gonna giva a shot at Blood Pod

[@repagalos9112]

Convert your Rocco into midrange/stax. Its like bloodpod sans black

[@TheCrazyBraz]

Instead of dockside, cant sisay tutor for OG Samut, and a WUBRG tapper?

[@jaketrickster]

21:19 agreed. Obnix basically just lost late game consistancy without dockside, so all us Ob pilots need is to really solidify our early game plan to try and turbo the win

[@MarduEnjoyer]

My Dargo/Tymna deck was my whole Identity in cEDH. With the bans I’m just lost.

[@toctheyounger]

Not sure if you're in the discord, they're still cooking. Deck will lose some speed, but there's still a deck there.

[@Massacre775]

I wrote the primer for Dargo Tymna, I will tell you that we are cooking and trying to find a way to fit in the new meta

[@RsDrPowers]

What about Vadrik, Astral Archmage? I use this as mine, I only used the Jeweled Lotus before, still have turn 1 wins available without it, albeit, less likely now.

[@paulomalley3211]

you know, a weird winner of the format i think will be smothering tithe now that dockside is gone same with the creature that does sort of the same thing but i’m forgetting its name which atraxa absolutely adores and now dockside can’t force you to get rid of those now which is huge punishing how card draw focused the format is

[@chrispapayannes8545]

Been looking a Mox Amber-friendly lists alot lately and came across Vohar again. What's your take on the viability of the deck in the current meta? Seems like it could be good.

[@ChrisLotane]

It was just outside the top 50 but how are we feeling about Jenson//Lurrus? I’m new to cEDH and had that as a consideration

[@RhynocerousRex]

What do you think of ukkima foodchain, Malcolm rograkh (to regain the malcolm speed), and jeska ishai?

[@nacricissa]

I want to know, do stax decks play more artifact hate or less, now that dockside is gone? Is Dauntless Dismantler even a card, or does the fact it does things against the hullbreaker loops still matter?

[@frasert8779]

I’m really curious if a ban like this just “shakes up the format” versus just completely changes what cEDH is

[@jniteshade5352]

I just lost to a Rakdos the muscle deck tonight after a like 12 turn game against yuriko and kinnan. Was playing Rhionya and boy that deck got hurt with no dockside, crypt or lotus to get her out quickly. I can confirm the magus of the moon and blood moon i cast both games was amazing at stopping everyone for a while.

[@snipadipa221]

Been on Yuriko for almost a year. THE TIME OF THE NINJA IS NOW!

[@BudgetPubStomper-lr7nh]

I’ve thought a lot on this now. I don’t think it could make sense to say these two things; 1) the bannings were relatively worse for big 5 and 7 mana commanders 2) the bannings are relatively worse for 3 mana commanders Unless you are prepared to say “only 0, 1, and 2 mana commanders are good now. And I don’t think that’s what anyone is trying to say

[@maxscott2770]

I think Emry, Sythis and Belbe have the potential to do very well after the bans

[@Local-Warlock]

Sooo, is Korvold dead? Trying to find alternatives but can’t see anything for him in terms of replacements..?

[@lxxTkettlexxl]

It’s dead fam… need to move to another commander

[@t3smith]

Been playing Niv for a few years. Really sad to retire that deck. Buuuut i am extremely excited to shift over towards yuriko! Ninjas got a ton of new toys with mh3. Gonna be a fun time!

[@KnightLocker_MTG]

I’m really interested in Temur blood moon decks using the 2 creatures that shut down non basics right now.

[@rourkemoran8358]

As an Inalla pilot I think that she gained more than she lost. Does losing dockside and crypt suck, especially for turn 1/turn 2 spellseeker? yes it does. Does losing dockside suck for aether channer + dockside and technomancer + dockside? Yes. However, those dockside loops were all never game plan 1 and always game plan 5 or 6. What it does allow for in inalla is room to add in better redundancy for retrying win attempts and go more in on buried alive and necropotence + flash enabler lines. So inalla didnt get hit that hard, if anything she won with the elimination of the consistent turn 1/2 rhystic studies from the crypt ban and not having to care about dockside.

[@edwardsiu1225]

Feel like non-blue decks are in a lot of trouble for the most part, only a handful of those decks look decent

[@ComedIanMTG]

I think the non-blue decis we have been used to are in trouble. Tbh I think dockside kept a lot of artifact/enchantment heavy decks down that may see much more play now

[@edwardsiu1225]

@@ComedIanMTG really interested to see what new non blue decks emerge. The ones that seem like they could potentially make a return are yisan, gitrog, and prossh. The last two seem like good choices for sad korvold pilots to pivot to.