I Asked A WoW Game Producer About The Future Of PvP In WoW's Next Expansion

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[@sodasodahero]

In short: Blizzard is not planning on putting any effort into improving PvP, while pretending they talk about it all the time - they're just making a new battleground and that'll be it for the expansion.

[@BoomerElite4u]

I don't even want new Battle Grounds, I would rather just have re-skins for the handful of BGs players actually enjoy. Like a goblin-themed Arathi Basin.

[@Wrex90]

If Blizzard had any big interest in PvP there would could have been so much more many years ago. The amount of work that goes into it is barely nothing. They could employ any of the PvP streamers, like Ven and he would probably get 10x more shit done in even a fraction of the time. Watching Vens content is pretty much the only thing I still do in regards to WoW PvP, otherwise I dropped it completely because there really is no point in that pile of steaming shit we have to deal with for idk how many years now.

[@itouchbuttons]

@@Wrex90 Do you think that after 20 years it might be too complex to actually build a good pvp space for players?

[@Da5kone001]

I don’t know why they would put a bunch of effort into a game mode that comprises such a small section of the player base

[@SicariusGaming87]

@@Da5kone001 Because they put it into the game, so they need to support it. If they didnt want it to be a game mode, they wouldn't have added it nearly 20 years ago. There is a player base, and it would be a lot better if they actually took care of it.

[@placeholdername3206]

9:37 to skip to Ven talking and what you want to hear about, unless you think it's fun hearing about a new minecart BG for almost 10 minutes.

[@El_Xerus]

ty good sir

[@LuizGuilhermeTavares]

Thanks for saving me 10 minutes.

[@Halfhaphazard]

gigachad comment

[@soldierqo]

legend here

[@Ololz22]

Absolutely insane that they spent any time talking about the bg; whooooo cares about that when there's so much more to ask.

[@drahizzy118]

*asks questions about pvp*. Answers with “good question, I dont really know about that”

[@petardinjo]

HILARIOUS

[@Ololz22]

Better than lying to us.

[@habibiblocksberg2407]

and a 25min is born... and we watch it we are dump

[@landofsyn2980]

@@Ololz22 I rather they just dont say shit ..... doesn't have to be a lie or a IDK answer just dont host this shit if you can't say shit...

[@antlure]

@@landofsyn2980 right like I honestly wish they didn't even bother with sitting down for this. they've basically decided what they did during DF is what they're going to do more of in TWW. only plus this time around is they're saying they are committed to making more BGs.

[@NYKO7]

holyyy. You pvp guys are actually left behind to rot 🤣 the guy was just waiting for this to end like "wtf am I doing here, I dont even work on PVP. I just needed a raise so I took this interview for the team" 🤣

[@archvaldor]

Skip to 24:35 to find the main pvp content in the coming xpac.

[@stevil6330]

This guy has politician level media training.

[@Beat_Eddie]

Ion trained him well

[@joshua-oe4oj]

"So basically we're doing nothing for Solo Shuffle / Arena in War Within" LUL

[@stuntjustin6106]

Why did he take this interview if he had no Information…

[@wilhelmmoller3086]

Summary: The Team is talking about it and he doesnt know

[@omnifake3339]

Why the fuck does this guy have a job

[@iv9ry]

I got like 15 minutes in and felt so frustrated that every question was more less danced around.

[@Castorcato]

You can tell Ven is fucking seething in this haha. What a disappointment.

[@hhattonaom9729]

why don't they just hire some of the pvp guys as advisers and have them tell what to do.

[@bhaines2209]

@@hhattonaom9729don’t suggest such simple and obvious solutions /s

[@evg3nius]

@@hhattonaom9729 Easy answer. You're assuming they don't KNOW what to do. Where reality is they don't WANT to do anything.

[@Imorteus]

pretty sure there are more than 1 old pvpers that work there now. talbadar is one and i think maybe sodah? might be wrong

[@kenanmesic9123]

50 seconds in and it feels like this was the wrong person to interview about pvp

[@adammcneill7421]

Did this guy have anything to share? It seems like Venruki and the rest did a great job with preparing questions related to the specific problems PvPers are facing. Every answer -"Wow great question, yes we are definitely thinking about that, but I can't provide any actual comment. Its an ongoing conversation, I cant share anything"

[@marcwinner567]

Spoiler: They are not even thinking about it. They will release the expansion as is and hope we still swallow all the issues and pay up the monthly tax.

[@SicariusGaming87]

I picked up on this too. If there is nothing you can share, what the hell is the point of doing this interview if you cant say anything? Either you cant or straight up dont know in which case, you need to be fired.

[@fullmetalscotsman1306]

Great job? 10 minutes re the new BG and nothing related to the challenges in PVP that the majority play and that is BGs not SS or Arena. Boring as all hell.

[@oscr9098]

this was a disaster of an interview, jesus christ

[@evg3nius]

Good point, let me check with the team, I'll get back to you on this later

[@trevorruth3318]

The lead pvp dude doesn’t seem too enthusiastic about pvp…

[@fok8810]

Hes enthusiastic about breast milk surely

[@aaronbutterfly]

wow! A 25 minute interview of this guy not answering to a single question correctly! classic

[@bhaines2209]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Classic

[@Tysler]

Thank you for saving me 25 minutes.

[@evg3nius]

Great question! I'll get back to you on this later

[@ninacuk]

That's not true.

[@shadowsift]

more of this plz venruki!

[@Mhortai]

Or he may not specifically work on that part and genuinelly doesn't know. That could be a thing.

[@bhaines2209]

@@Mhortaithat’s an even worse sign 🤣

[@ninacuk]

But they did try to change some healer mmr, so they are searching for a solution.

[@knifetoucher]

If this guy is the head PVP dev, that would explain A LOT about the state of PVP in WoW

[@evg3nius]

Bro if you're an average PVP enjoyer, that would explain A LOT about the state of PVP as well. This guy described his job in the first 2 minutes of the video and he's not the head PVP dev. He's not a dev at all.

[@Jaeogijaoidfjlanflnasn]

@@evg3nius smh, expecting wow players to NOT blindly make negative guesses about something and then complaining about how bad the thing they just randomly guessed about is without knowing if it's true or not.

[@okandokandast]

@@evg3nius He's the producer for combat design. That's even more powerful than a combat design dev (or even worse a PvP dev). Far more powerful and influential. The vision, the timelines, the priorities - that's him.

[@evg3nius]

​@@okandokandast Yeah and none of that says PvP. And the reason he's clueless about PvP is because he is not the head of PvP. For all we know they currently don't even have the head of PvP since it's clearly they don't care about too much. PvP is subdivision of combat they don't care about.

[@okandokandast]

@@evg3nius "This guy is the producer of combat, and PvP is a mini-subdivision of combat, most likely without an actual PvP boss". But he's definitely not in charge of PvP" He's in charge. Stop trying to fool yourself. It'd be like trying to say the SVP of a corp. is not in charge of an area because there's a VP under him who actually runs the area (and in this case it's 99% there's no VP).

[@user-ng6ky4zu3k]

I use to get upset about the lack of communication from blizzard but the way they dodge meaningful questions in interviews is way more upsetting then no communication. This interview was only a marketing attempt and that seems to be the only time they really interact with the community

[@alexcyw89]

Damn. Most of the answers for pvp besides the battle ground are basically we haven’t really discuss or have a plan to do anything about it. Lol the meme where how can we forget about pvp. Bruh. They clearly forgot about pvp

[@fok8810]

😂

[@sam_hek]

moran is on the ball, people doing ss doesnt mean its better than 3s, just that its easier to get into a lobby, lower barrier to entry. Sounds like nothing is changing for pvp but they just wanted to shill for 20m about the new bg.

[@kotibus9417]

There is a large amount of options for them to fix solo shuffle queues and interface clutter, they just choose not to explore them at all. Their own recent poll showed that about 20% of players still view PvP as their main content, which means they are still making millions with monthly subscriptions alone through PvP. Even a full rework of all healers through more PvP talents should be an easy choice if that's what it takes to fix the queue times. Let alone easier solutions like better balancing or more rewards. It just literally seems like they don't even have a single person working on it at all times. This guy seems like he doesn't even know how to spell PvP. The monthly subscription should be easily enough to justify larger changes and a team working on it at all times, but if they don't even change a couple spells or rewards for the 50$ expansion (literally as much as multiple other games combined) that's just a different meme level.

[@gianttvcontroller]

Wow that is depressing. Really indicative of how they feel about PvP. That guy seemed overwhelmed by any question any serious PvPer would care about

[@evg3nius]

Good point, I'll check with the team and get back to you on this later.

[@njames6002]

This is sad to hear, basically all the issues with arena are just not being looked at in favour of battleground blitz...

[@Sanguiris]

Arena sucks

[@njames6002]

@@Sanguiris exactly...

[@zayon0170]

??? ngl, im so happy, BGs are the true form of PVP, much more enjoyable for the wast majority of players

[@mythiccx7434]

@@zayon0170no

[@ennreekay]

Sad to hear that there won’t be pvp tier again. Something they could do from TBC-WoD they can’t do now for some reason.

[@Kenji-117]

i guess because the team is either too small or there is just no desire to throw the classes off balance with the already large pool of talents and new incoming hero talents

[@sqwippysquishy5287]

Classic wow - wod

[@weslipscomb4766]

Vanilla through WoD* I’ve been saying this same thing for a while. I don’t understand what is going on at blizzard.

[@theguru333]

This guy talks like a animatronic blizzard made to answer all PR questions.

[@Kenny77557]

Yeah he needs to start and/or end his sentences with BRO or BRUH

[@kevmoney89]

This was worse than me doing an interview for my dream job.

[@Altruistic-General]

This was an absolute disaster of an interview. It's clear they don't care, and even if they did care, they did such a horrible job of expressing it (and not giving any insight into internal discussions) that people will assume, rightly so, that they would rather pvp die off. Example: his answer about "we're discussing changing thresholds to make the majority of rewards more accessible, but we want to keep prestigious stuff prestigious" was a good answer. Other than that he flopped everywhere.

[@Gypsypsycho1]

Upset that PvP players are not gonna get a unique looking set anymore and some of the answers just weren't satisfying to hear.

[@evg3nius]

Good point! Will talk to the team, but nothing to announce at this time

[@Impuracle]

TLDW: "we talk about this internally a lot but nothing planned yet"

[@LavaMouth88]

They're Killing PvP!!!!

[@petardinjo]

they've killed goldfarming or anything gold related, next is pvp.. what's wrong with that hahaha

[@OfutJukius]

@@petardinjo glad someone wrote this ^^

[@iarnazca]

Came to complain he didn't answer any questions, noticed every one else already did. I don't think that nerd even realized pvp'ers would lose sockets. What a joke.

[@hxllowgrave]

Ven, who are these other two people you interviewed George with? I'd like to check out their YT channels.

[@itswhzly]

How do make solo que more accessible: two options for Solo Shuffle 1: Normal Player vs Player or 2: only Healer AI Bots just DPS real players. The opt in will let dos play and if they want to wait longer for a real healer so be it

[@ralecgos3631]

This guy seems like that one teacher that says, "idk CAN you?" when you ask "can I use the restroom"

[@Minorheadlines]

I feel like this guy was given a very very short list of things he could talk about

[@fok8810]

Short brain

[@Cheesemane]

"im not sure i'll have to talk to the team about that" is said far to many times in this video, its like the devs involved in PvP balance don't even talk to eachother.

[@nerotvwow3733]

TLDR; Blizzard has decided PvP is no longer a major feature of the game.

[@andreichetan4694]

It never was, just seemed so

[@Fabolousyo]

Question: why is it so hard to give enhancement Shaman a decent buff which isnt something about the healing spells, because its useless with dampening?

[@kaddiloc1]

From this interview I get the impression they are not putting much thought into PVP and its functionality. This current expansion has killed my joy for PVP with these excessive wait times and so on. It appears they intend keep on this path and very little improvement will occur resulting in similar outcomes. This interview may be the nail in the coffin for me as it pertains to PVP.

[@evg3nius]

Wow, ill be honest this is the first comment from someone who actually can listen. I agree with you, and you're spot on. They invest $0 into PVP which is actually the right thing to do. Lets not pretend that WoW is a great PVP game, just throw a new random BG as a bone to few dozen people that actually play PVP and concentrate on selling store mounts and wow tokens.

[@Maniiolo1]

This interview fills me with a sense of hopelessness moving forward. Competitive/Ranked PvP feels like an afterthought at this stage.

[@Veelq]

His answer on how he got the Producer job saved me 23 min of my life :)

[@nrevox]

What are they doing to bring new players into pvp? All of the best rewards are for rated or higher level players.

[@eggshapedisraelioperative6317]

lol, this interview is a massive L for both sides. Ven doesn’t have the balls to press them on the topic and issues he’s passionate about, or he’s too worried that he’ll be biting the hand that feeds him. Sad

[@Nyeusi]

Well ven is a caster and works for them so he probably doesn’t want to risk anything

[@bradcogley8146]

That’s why they let him in in the interview and not others

[@PeterTheDeleter]

"rss isnt popular its just the only thing to do" "yeah thats a good point". LMAO is this guy serious?! just admits rss is a disaster and dosnt care. cool devs

[@Cyclone435]

Pvp is what made wow popular back in the day and pvp was the reason alot of people were playing

[@darkened-]

Damn, that was so underwhelming to hear unfortunately. It looks like they will take pride in creating a new battleground, rather than address arena issues. Looks like we will continue our ride into the abyss for another 2 years at least.

[@Mhortai]

Great job! Hope we get more. I love the communication!

[@prdgmshft9107]

Ask them if they think it’s a good idea to go months on end with out adding any changes or tuning then show up like a drunk uncle say some random shit maybe a few ppl agreed with while making everyone else mad then disappearing like a dead beat dad who stepped out to go buy some cigs but still sends you a birthday card every other year with 5 dollars in it.

[@weirdodude1173]

Kind of a shame there are no plans for PvP-specific tier sets, but good question and it's better to know about it. Thumbs up!

[@manthe3711]

PvP tier sets are lame, class design shouldn't change every season for every spec like this.

[@okandokandast]

@@manthe3711 Static PvP tier sets that aren't tied to PvE are awesome (i.e. whatever they had up until and including WoD). PvE tier set bonuses in PvP that change every season and are almost entirely designed around what's fun/good in PvE is awful.

[@edwardhatfield5360]

*player hops in a mine cart circle* from 80 yards away Sniper Shot, Rapid Fire...player is relocated to graveyard, rinse repeat😂

[@bigpoopies789]

Yeah that shit is aids

[@Adrix896]

Bigmoran with the questions everyone wants to know the answers to 🎉

[@Drebin]

Who is Neil bresnahan ?

[@bcboy_]

so do we get a follow up interview with all the question not answered “uhh idk ill have to check on that” ok go check and pls come back and tell us when you are prepared for the interview

[@evg3nius]

Excellent point! Let me talk to the team and I'll let you know when we can do that

[@teshki1449]

So no mmr fix for 3v3?

[@quickschweezy]

Mmr is already fixed. Week one had glads in 3v3 and 2600cr in ss. Season 9 of S3 is when that happened. So we are basically starting at week 9. Same with us getting 1300conq instead of 550, and we get 2 sockets per week instead of 1. This is not the problem currently

[@12fulworld69]

I really wanted the new rbg solo queue to be duo or trible queue instead, although that would compeltely kill normal rbgs

[@bastajam]

healer can always que with 1 dps

[@12fulworld69]

@@bastajam wait really? in solo queue as well or?

[@bastajam]

@@12fulworld69 they said they will let healers que with 1 dps for solo rbgs, its been a while but i think that will stay

[@jaded-harper]

normal rbgs are already in the dirt. most certainly will be dead dead when this comes out which is sad. I play with a dungeon size group of players and it looks like the only thing we will be able to do is normal bgs. which gets boring quick as norms just feel like pve lol

[@apierson244]

And now we understand why the game is such a dumpster fire. Lmao the people in charge don't have answers to questions we've been asking for awhile

[@koen3108]

Man literally, it’s frustrating bc it seems so obvious

[@chirsenx3]

this interview destroyed all my hopes for pvp. shame you blizzard for not care about the pvp scene!!! just sad on a different level....

[@FBIwatchlist11]

After watching this, it feels like the important answers were more danced around rather than answered. Seems like PVP (arena) isn’t really cared about, still looks like we are still going to have to do chores rather than play the game, different PVP tier sets arnt being looked at (not game breaking but cmon). Doesn’t feel like anything that is needed to be changed is changing. I personally havnt played since last season and after watching this I can’t really see me getting excited for things being fixed and getting back into the game.

[@angelalvarezperez9019]

The only question I would love to know is the changes criteria where it comes from?

[@BlazzeBeard1]

I had actually high expectations and hope that blizzard actually cares about PvP and its community but here we are! Healers above all should and deserve to get more love.

[@uvalud]

Why does Niel ask detailed questions about the BG at the start, its simply wasting time.. cmon man i dont care whats the point balance of cart vs flag in a new BG, ur gonna figure that out anyway once you play it. Hows that info going to change anything for us now? Z-axis, can you get up there? Dude cmooon ur gonna see that when u login. Let Venruki or someone ask him some deep BTS pvp systems questions

[@PeterTheDeleter]

They have 0 plans other than a bg for the entire next expansion in regards to pvp. Lol how embarrassing and awkward this was

[@drugastronamedalu]

First question: do you play pvp yourself and what's your rating? Then you'll understand why pvp is dead.

[@Blekk101]

I like how this guy starts the interview with the disclaimer that he’s only a producer, not a designer. Makes it a lot easier for him to avoid important questions like the 3/3 healer one.

[@landofsyn2980]

why was every answer ..... " I dont know or Good question! followed by .... not sure idk- blah blah" this entire 24min gave me 0 information lmfaooo

[@yoloexpectz8637]

yep, nothing planned, no direction, just going with the flow...

[@Kuskash]

All guys asked excellent questions. Thanks

[@Graran]

So S1 of WW will be the “same“ as S4 of DF or ….

[@Bathrezz1]

Who the fk cares about how the new BG works, we arent stupid, we'll figure it out.

[@pdubz6169]

When a PVE andy is in charge of PVP

[@brando581]

Oh nice blizzard got their janitor to hop on and do a pvp q&a

[@ceasursmoke1391]

venruki so scared to ask the good questions 😅 bro doesn't wanna lose his caster job.

[@jacoblewis5501]

prob a lot of white boards that havent been updated in the pvp department am i right fellas?

[@cowboybronson3100]

Any decent question you asked, he didnt have an answer for. Thats so annoying. Lol

[@Rockforce80]

Make the flag cap speed up your factions carts' travel speed for a short time as well imo

[@savannahcole9714]

Right I was hoping someone would say if your in a group of 5plus you only go vs other premades.... Why get rid of twinking (making q impossible) but let ratedbg pros group up and dominate ransoms just because blizz lets them is the only reason why

[@zeucean]

could you goin RBG Blitz with a friend like duo que or 3 player que to be with friends also ?

[@dimitar3702]

Don’t feel like Ven hit him with the hard hitting questions. Feel like you’re voiced a lot more concerns in your videos than what you asked here Ven.

[@Venruki]

I want to thank George for talking with us, glad we had the opportunity to sit down with him. I know some of you wish we could go into further detail on some of these topics, but hopefully there's more opportunity in the future!

[@marcwinner567]

Bro stop shillin. Our worst fears are pretty much confirmed. PvP in the next expansion looking like it will have all the problems (even more?) than what we currently have. Is it officially over for us arena enjoyers?

[@jaded-harper]

@@marcwinner567 its been over for a long time dawg lmao

[@chirsenx3]

good question

[@maggieynwa]

I understand that they cant share stuff before they have worked properly through their ideas, but this was really underwhelming. Why bother do a interview if the only thing you can answer is about the new battleground. The community deserves more tbh. Im not asking for a lot, but something that makes people want to que, even if they are stuck on 1800. A seasonal pass or something to get hyped about. Maybe in asking for a lot, dont even know anymore.

[@icaanul]

More opportunity in the future for what? For them to placate by saying, "good question. I don't know. I'll have to find the other guys and bring it up." ??? There is no intent to address pvp at all let alone communicate about it.

[@Yazzir9]

So there wont have pvp tier?

[@Suprafanmk4]

"That's a good point" "That's a good question"

[@Kronosbattlemaps]

100 bucks says he mains dh

[@fok8810]

I think near the end he implies hes playing a healer

[@mcneil83]

Thx 4 upload :)

[@truth4727]

People have been asking for a Team Death match forever now. I wish they would listen to the bg players. First team to 50 kills wins. Instead we get these big maps and a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off.

[@yoitsme1999]

No warmode update??? what about the battle for najatar open world battle like events?

[@andreiunuchak6525]

We are all doomed with game designers like this.

[@ninacuk]

I love vault conquest change. ❤

[@Nicolas-fo8qd]

They CLEARLY don't care about PvP and it will not get any actual effort.

[@colbyelmore9951]

That question at the end about ladder deflation is one of my big concerns and it seems like they have no answer. Titles should be ultra rare, its the nature of glad and grand marshall, but it shouldn't be so delfated that even veteran pvpers who i talk to whove gotten glad once or more arent even close to getting it anymore. So many ive talked to the last few seasons just say yeah dont even try.

[@DoublebrutalCS2]

Pathetic and disgusting responses from Blizzard. If they "tried to make every season feel the same difficulty" then they need to be FIRED. They FAILED COMPLETELY on that goal. EVery season was HUNDREDS of CR lower than the one before it. "We are happy with PVE tier sets in pvp" ... we used to get pvp set bonuses in older expansions. This is such a pathetic cop out it just made me ANGRY.

[@myovertime5991]

No idea who this Neil guy is but I’m a huge fan now. At 22:32 he makes the point of “just because a lot of people play it doesn’t mean they like it better” and that couldn’t be more true. All my friends and I qued solo shuffle and hated every second of it but we just did it because the 3s ladder was fkd and there was no point in playing it. All of us have quit dragon flight. After watching this interview, looks like it was the right choice. Thank got for Cata classic though, looking forward to MoP!

[@anininis]

George, if you want to inventivize group content despite solo q being more accessible, here's two very natural solutions : 1. different rewards with in both brackets 2. inflate group content MMR to make it feel like the rewards are more attainable in group content.

[@mebrandonb]

Regarding his response saying "making healing more accessible in solo shuffle," as someone who primarily pve's I tried pvp in S3 for the first time in Dragonflight (I had done it in the past in previous expansions just when I was bored) and what made me stop was just how often you spend CCd. At lower ranks I am sure it's to be expected that the dps wont be stopping/kicking things as much as they likely do at higher tiers, but I literally was just sitting in Cyclone over and over, into a hunter trap, into a daze, into whatever, and it just wasn't fun. Then add on to it the whispers from people who died raging at you to heal them and I was just like bro...I'm in a tornado non stop what do you want from me haha It ultimately just got so boring that I just stopped queueing. And keep in mind that, although I don't normally pvp in wow I generally enjoy pvp and play it in other games all the time, it just feels obnoxious trying to do it in wow. Granted I am obviously not the best at it simply from lack of extended experience playing it in wow specifically, but it's honestly so irritating (especially when I play priest because I can't kick anything, I just have to try to duck behind a pillar or get in melee to fear). Hopefully it improves in War Within so I can give it another go, otherwise I just stick to pvping in the other games I play and just do M+ and raid in wow. It's the only thing the game has to offer for someone like me that doesn't feel beholden to just one game.

[@bretsaksa631]

I totally relate to this. You are not alone. 100% W take.

[@endofexistence2149]

Not sure if this was the right person to interview. I think an actual dev that works on the nuts and bolts would be able to answer more of those specific questions.

[@James-kv3ll]

When you can’t say “Fck you” so you can get another interview but in each interview they basically say “Fck you”

[@PeterTheDeleter]

solo q killed retail for me. ill play classic until it dies then play other games. not interested in facing samiyam at 2100 in 3s

[@hectorsavarin967]

I know ven was like wow o answer

[@BlastedDevy]

Anyone still have their faith in blizz (activation)?