I Beat A Cheater 4 Times In A Row

[@msolec2000]

So... I don't think you beat a cheater. I think you created one...

[@Crelids]

That's something to be proud of TBH :P

[@msolec2000]

@@Crelids Yeah, that's true

[@davidjoseph7142]

Origin story

[@monkeyscircus]

Lol exactly. He's batman to their joker

[@creatingonthemargins1089]

While temporally true, the cheater is responsible for his choices. Good video, nelson.

[@Fireball_Roberts]

His opening/middle games are flawless. What I believe is happening is he uses his rice cooker until he gets a decisive advantage, then finishes the game manually, thus reducing his final accuracy. His poor accuracy games come from opponents like Nelson who survive long enough to make him abandon the engine before having an easy path to victory.

[@aburk9760]

You cook de rice you pay de price

[@JamesQMurphy]

We need that on a hoodie or something! Merch please!

[@b005t3r]

based

[@Lasidar]

You made him so hungry for a win that only a cooker full of rice would satisfy

[@mareezy]

@@Lasidar 😆 🤣 😂 😹

[@drone231]

i dont get the joke sorry, can u explain?

[@unhappysaint]

@@drone231i think its like being so hungry but cant cook rice so you use a rice cooker to satisfy yourself so basically hungry for a win but cant win so you use stockfish if thats correct

[@anthonyragan2696]

The King walk broke him. You made him do it, man. Or maybe society is to blame.

[@josephgaetano6751]

Do you notice in the game where he got 99 his opponent had 95.9

[@andrewbennett5911]

That's sad ! 2300 at blitz , a galaxy away from my 850 , yet they needed to cheat ! Their ego must have taken a battering 😮

[@kuchenlk]

Interesting move by our opponent

[@dragonore2009]

Yeah that likely happened, his frustration kicked in. Sometimes I get on a losing streak, but I don't think, "oh let's start cheating". I just take a break and come back at it with a fresh mind.

[@IWontBuy-RP]

Yeah, but lots of people dont think like that. Kinda sucks

[@chess26622]

I do this sometimes, but as I grow up in rating, I do this rarer and rarer. When I was about 1900 in Rapid, I did this quite often. When I was 1600, I even used my main account to cheat. Now, I am about 2150, and last time I remember as I cheated was long time ago. But I would never cheat from my main account with over 4500 games

[@dragonore2009]

@@chess26622 Speaking of cheating, I notice Nelson as well as others, when he suspects cheating, he will look at there rapid rating and there blitz and bullet and say things like, "Hmm, 800 blitz and 2150 rapid, huh?" That's what I'm trying to do right now, is get my blitz rating up so it isn't so out of whack with my rapid rating, but it's so much harder since you only have 3 minutes to think.

[@mizu1000]

When I - frequently - hit a losing streak, I tend to play against easy bots and take my frustration out on them!!

[@dragonore2009]

@@chess26622 Sometimes I think to myself, "F*** it, let me download an extension, that shows all the correct moves, clearly my low rated opponents are doing it, might as well", but I actually never go through with it though, because I would feel guilty even though my low rated scam opponents do it (or so I suspect given there precise moves). To name one example, the Rousseau gambit and the opponent accepts (which they shouldn't), the best move is for them to trade off there bishop for my undeveloped knight, a totally weird move, but my low rated 500 opponents somehow know that, but 1900 rated opponents don't know it.

[@b.trumane]

that premium Jasmine rice with the 99. final meal

[@traderduke2]

Now you know how Kasparov felt the first game he played against Deep Blue.

[@falenperez8690]

Boy cooked some gourmet rice

[@natthekiwi7074]

He ended this guy’s whole career

[@Jayvees]

The surprising part is that the cheater is also a streamer.

[@raulvillanueva7600]

This user definitely got discouraged and decided to play their next couple of games using an engine. I really want to understand the psychology of someone deciding to cheat after losing several games or just cheating every game. Personally, I'll never be satisfied with a win knowing that I cheated in the game. So why do people cheat?

[@NJDJ2]

good timing too , im about to eat rice for lunch! how the tables have turned! in the end you won against the cheater!

[@magicpaul24]

Sorry if the question seems stupid, total newbie in chess here what exactly he did to cheat? having a computer giving the best accuracy?

[@Евгения-н6я2с]

yes? here I think he played himself but maybe he used a computer in th previous games

[@petergeorgehill]

Yes there are lots of programs out there that will literally just tell you the computationally best move. You just plug in your position and calculate it

[@mareezy]

What a GREAT game. That's why you can never resign. The most epic games are when you turn it around big time

[@timm439]

Interesting psychology lesson

[@peterk960]

People start cheating when you: surprise them in the opening. Win a nice game against them. Play too slowly in the opening. They will also cheat anytime they think you are playing too accurately. It's sickening sometimes. Smh

[@MRPIFFY1989]

I think you are right. I play the lolli attack which is a crazy unpredictable variation of the fried liver attack. Instead of sacking the knight you push D4. I can't tell you how many times they stop for two minutes then comes a barrage of the top engine moves lol you know it's Stockfish when all the pawns start pushing and you reach a point where your pieces are so restricted you can do nothing. I think even Nelson pointed that out once. Then you check the accuracy and the played 96% lol

[@spencerhiginbotham7538]

What I was thinking was that they were using stockfish against you until they started running out of time, and then they didn't have time to use stockfish. It did seem like they didn't really make any mistakes until the end game. But I'm not sure. It would take an expert to verify that.

[@ashleyharris4114]

We know whats cooking dinner tonight, the RICE Cooker! 😅

[@jonathanp89]

One thing ive noticed Nelson (and you are my favourite coach) is that sometimes you anticipate your opponent will attack along the same lines that you would and overcompensate defensively. Obviously this was against a cheater however just a lil observation for you, youre the best coach on YT 👍🏻

[@johnhenderson7611]

I think it’s either you caused him to cheat or it was sparse sporadic cheating that got a bit more aggressive after you played him

[@sn33kypeTe]

How on earth can someone get to 2300 and not get caught long before for cheating! Cheating is such a serious problem!!

[@wayneyadams]

I taught Physics for thirty-three (33) years and have caught all kinds of cheaters due to stupidity. This guy didn't think red flags would go up when he had a game rated at 99.6%?! He (not they, it's one guy) probably isn't a strong enough player to know how to change his game just enough to lower his rating.

[@asztapaszta9]

Nelson you have 200+ unchecked messages!!

[@mareezy]

@@asztapaszta9 lol

[@ghb323]

10:26 A frustrated player who wants to win, by desperately making stockfish moves. Surprised this account is 8 years old.

[@landen99]

You can't call anyone a cheater when you make several blunders. Sometimes accuracy goes high when you follow a main line that they are familiar with.

[@antonnovo695]

Hi! Where can I find this shade of green for the board ? looked in the options couldnt find it. Thanks

[@notyourtype5558]

Hi Nelson! I was struggling in winning games very much but then i saw your channel and yes it did help me win games as now i calculate every move before playing it but, I noticed that even though when i have a huge positional advantage, i lose on time (Rapid btw) i have seen you thinking, taking ur time but still never actually facing time pressure even though you take much time to play every move, why am i struggling on time then? Can you pls give me some advice

[@andy021082]

If there is a perfect example of the idiom insult to injury,this is it. Well done Nelson😊

[@user-vl4iq7bj5e]

2300 playing like an 800 with 20s left

[@nautilus269]

Absolutely amazing that you were able to tame and even play this obviously docile cheetah in any form.

[@TeroKoskinen-xy2zz]

8:37 That is not true Nelson, many players switch queens here.

[@wisdom7564]

Crazy the amount of cheating scandal these days😢

[@PizzaChess69]

9:10 I think in this game two cheaters played against each other, the other one also had an accuracy of 95.9

[@carlosedwardos]

Nelson doesn't cheat, why would he? - way too much to lose, and also, he is like International Master strength without cheating. You aren't the brightest bulb on the tree, are you? 😂

[@PizzaChess69]

@@carlosedwardos I was not talking about Nelson, I am not accusing him of cheating, I was talking about this 24 move long game where they played against this player named luc2008 where they also had an accuracy of 95.9

[@PizzaChess69]

5:25 The Impostor Pawn 💀

[@Gossisstoris]

Impawnster

[@張謙-n3l]

I'm not sure if that person cheated in the epic king walk, it's a lot of time for the engine to deal the final blow. But he definitely cheated in the last two games though. Another fun fact is that a person being banned with fair play policy doesn't necessarily mean they are cheating. I've once played a guy with around 900 blitz rating and he was completely crashed. I reported him for stalling and he was banned soon.

[@lawrencemckeon6802]

Cheaters never prosper, but they make all sorts of rice.

[@derfderf0]

Is 2419 your highest rating? I've never seen you past the 2300s before.

[@Hotobu]

It's his blitz rating

[@EgGDoGG_Lover]

11:29 minute yap seesion with nelson?

[@Senguh]

nelson makes people hungry for rice

[@steveb18c]

Thank you for the content Nelson, I think it would be cool if we played each other with live commentary. I’m stuck in the 500 ELO range and would love to learn from you live.

[@bm9tube]

I was looking at your profile and saw this incredible game, wondering what the hell happened! Thanks for making a video about it 😊

[@georginaraven1691]

You took that poor king to Mordor and pushed the opponent's into the lava. 😂

[@michaelmassaro4375]

I don’t doubt players cheat some players anyway like how easy is it for people to cheat doesn’t seem too difficult earlier I was watching a good player on twitch and this guys opponent came up with brilliant moves toward the end of several games but without proof what can be done I felt he was cheating just so coincidental coming up with winning moves out thin air

[@bvandijk]

I'm guessing it's not easy to cheat when your under time pressure?

[@elektron2kim666]

The king chase is so bad for a 2000+ which indicates a not-there-player.

[@MonoBrawI]

So do they just open a second tab and mirror the game with analysis? I see how this would backife as time starts running out.

[@jeffreyjordan213]

I'm playing 2200, 2400, 2600 and I beat one on correspondence. Seems like the 1300 play just as good or better on Blitz. I think it's easier to cheat until you get to the 2000. I heard this. Not sure though

[@williamsquires3070]

More rice pudding; I hope your opponent was hungry. Chow down!

[@allrounderal2958]

how would you attack the king in 8:44 though? trading queens seems like a natural move since we have no attack there.

[@aughlnal7333]

Not directly, but I would play Qg5 to avoid the trade And than go Ra6, that position seems terrifying for black

[@gunsandgranola7262]

You Made him rage cheat.

[@Aloc2112]

New day, new rice.

[@BobChess]

Imagine cheating and still lose. Stop cooking rice

[@ok-hd4so]

blud needs to find a new hobby

[@chess26622]

This cheater wasn't cheating against Nelson, he started to cheat after these four defeats

[@multilis2]

His 98% accuracy games are when he is mad about losing and thinks game is too close that he doesn't trust himself to take over and uses computer whole game. Your game you blundered bad so he got overconfident and turned off the assistance early

[@multilis2]

cheating probably also isn't automatic program, it requires copying moves from main board, and takes time, is easier to lose in time if ahead on position but down on time. Once he quits synchronizing the cheater board, it may be too time consuming for him to get it in sync again. Some of his moves do look like something mainly a stockfish but rarely a human would do under blitz controls. I can get that sort of accuracy in a good game but its with moves that look more sane imediately. It takes too much valuable time to think through those fancy tricks.

[@aughlnal7333]

You humiliated that guy so badly he started cheating You are part of the problem

[@Random_user_8472]

No he isn't. If you can't handle to lose, then don't play a competitive game, but go play Minecraft in creative mode or something like that.

[@aughlnal7333]

@@Random_user_8472 whoosh

[@Random_user_8472]

@@aughlnal7333 You're trying to flush me through the toilet? 😄

[@kaidoChess]

Bro your content is fire

[@abberantgeck0]

Prince go on walkabout and become a King!!!

[@SoulmateParis]

I have played numerous games on this site where my opponent flubs his opening, plays a mediocre middle game, and then comes up with dazzling combinations to wipe me off tge board. Cheating?

[@robertlennie7466]

@@SoulmateParis Me too. They get mad at some losing moves and want to “get even”.. it’s common and it’s why I don’t play rated games anymore (fewer cheaters)

[@SoulmateParis]

@@robertlennie7466 thanks for the idea. I will try it!

[@verkkoveijari]

I'm getting a "Breaking 1500 Is Currently closed!" and a request to join a waitlist (which I didn't). What's going on with that link?

[@ChessVibesOfficial]

It's reopening Oct. 14

[@felixchien1664]

He got so broken he went full out cheating. Sad 😢

[@johnbauer6408]

is that tactic at 8:35 something special? you trade minor pieces and give them a doubled pawn, seems pretty straightforward

[@buffalodebill1976]

A rather epic walk of the king 😀 Nice.

[@Random_user_8472]

I consider cheating as a serious lack of self-respect. And if you even don't respect yourself, how can you respect anyone else?

[@pearljam_1]

Someone could stumble upon a high accuracy game like that, but to have two within that span of time makes the probability near zero. And being on tilt? No way.

[@AlexMPruteanu]

I'm basically a pseudo-beginner (850ish) and . . . maybe you can enlighten me....why do people want to cheat? I mean, how is that anything that makes one feel good inside? I never really understood that in games or sports (doping, for example). Like....Bro, you need drugs to run faster, that means you cannot win without. You need to cheat to win in chess, that means you're not as good as you think. Maybe you could let me in on a GM's need to cheat. Or high ranked players' need to cheat. I mean don't you know inside that you're not that good?

[@dillonblake6219]

Another cooker of da rice

[@PauIdenino]

YoU cAnT aCcUsE HiM oF cHeAtiNg! 🤓

[@samuelelliott8453]

What are all the comments about rice about? There wasa video about someone who was a student and said his rice cooker was on or something but i thought he wasnt cheating cjz his coach vouched for him or something... did new info come up?

[@Fachuro]

This is the thing all the gatekeepers trying to pretend theres not cheating at low elos or only so and so many people cheat and whatnot dont realise. Most people who cheat arent always cheating - cheaters dont win every game, and they dont always have 99% accuracy. Some cheaters do so when they get frustrates and think others are cheating, others only cheat the openings because they cant remember the theory, some only cheat by using an evaluation bar to realise when they are ahead or behind or have a forced mate, some people cheat when they feel like they are behind but try to play legitimately as long as possible, and thus make blunders they cant recover from. Cheaters come in all shapes and sizes and theres a shitload of them, and most of them dont get caught or rise to crazy elos because they play other cheaters, they play badly, they dont always cheat... But its enough to make the game unbearable for people who are trying to learn and play legitmately, but not enough to make all the pro rating climbers notice because they just notice the mistakes... This guy probably cheated regularly but only just got caught because he tilted and went over the top.

[@victormendes1588]

I had a similar problem.

[@AbouTaim-Lille]

How do you know he is a cheater? and initially How does he cheat ?

[@arturrzepka6955]

Big % of game accuracy. He play as Carlsen not a player of his level. I play sometimes games more than 90 % accuracy, but are The short or opponents abandonded game. I have rating ~ 1000 in Blitz. I watch Nelson and his streams and some his Good move in games i remember so i Play better and do not do many bad move as i do before started watched Nelson.

[@AbouTaim-Lille]

@@arturrzepka6955 What do you mean by accuracy ? Is it Percentage of best moves ? So that if the percentage is too high you will expect that a veteran player is helping him.

[@arturrzepka6955]

@@AbouTaim-Lille he is used a chess application to choose the best move on second open window or another machinę, when he Play on komputer that at smartphone Has a charter machine. Cheater used to move 1 or 2 rather 3 the best move by stockfish i n the moment a game. I am thinking alone, and do progres , cheater doesn't do any progres. Cheater also do move in some Time, in 5sec in 10 sec move by move. He thinking also nad oczywistym ruchami, jak zabicia, groźby szachów itd

[@carlosedwardos]

@@AbouTaim-Lille typically not a veteran player, almost always a computer program or phone app, using the StockFish chess engine, much stronger than any Grandmaster

[@emc-nk8ks]

Legendary win!

[@0mattp0]

Definitely enjoyed the video.

[@davew4304]

I drew a cheater and didn’t get refunded. Wasn’t easy I had to sac everything to open his king for a perpetual. I looked at his acc after he was banned and he steam rolled everyone I’m sure they got refunded why I didn’t get rating refund I can’t understand.

[@alvaromate8366]

Yes you are correct

[@jeffreyjordan213]

Cheater pumpkin eaters...Great defense Against all odds wild game. The best ones to play

[@Moj999_]

If we all went through what he did we'd cheater too. We're only one bad game away from becoming a cheater.

[@jokojabo]

Speak for yourself. Most players appreciate the integrity of the game...

[@Moj999_]

@@jokojabo it's a Batman reference. Joker said somethings like that in one of the movies. Thou I do find it funny you said that since basically it's what we all thought when the joker said that. But the joker and that cheater have something in common lmao.

[@kahrenheit3961]

Can someone fill me in on “rice?”

[@lastonkalonda1480]

Am hopping you will be willing to cook rice one day

[@davidrobertson1980]

I think that 99.6% accuracy game maybe was against another cheater, I mean 95.9% is pretty damned good as well, did you check his/her account too, or maybe he/she should be playing in tournaments? lol

[@nickmeyer1030]

Ha I thought the same thing.

[@ethereum572]

So he cheats occasionally not a regular one 😂

[@RealGaryGR]

Or maybe he occasionally has a really good game, like everyone. Both are possible, but of course in the era of the Cheating Inquisition it makes him a definite cheater. That also means that all the streamers who like to highlight every time they have a game with unusually high accuracy must also be cheaters. Woah, Nelson must be a cheater, too, we should all probably dig through the history of his games to see if we can evidence to report, I'm sure somewhere we can find a pattern just as compelling!

[@chess26622]

​@@RealGaryGRNelson is definitely not a cheater, he has his own YT channel, and his accuracy is not high enough to be accused of cheating, also he has a title of NM.

[@RealGaryGR]

@@chess26622 That's my point. Most good players could probably be accused based on the same type of "evidence" that Nelson uses to accuse people. And just like here, Nelson has definitely had outlier games where he played with very high accuracy. Nelson posted a video in a ratings climb where he had a perfect game with 100 accuracy, but amazingly he didn't accuse himself of cheating afterward. I guarantee if he had been on the other end of that game he would have immediately reported the other player as a cheater.

[@commandpro4492]

BRoO Im a genius lol i found the checkmate at 4:55 (im 700 rated)

[@RikMaxSpeed]

I wonder whether he cheats on Call of Duty Black Ops? Poor guy has twitch and reddit handles too.

[@EdwardHastings-bg5iy]

that is crazy

[@rene5939]

I wonder: how can someone cheat in a 3 minute game? Must be working very hard….

[@chess26622]

3 minutes is quite enough to cheat. I would rather ask how people cheat in 1 minute games if I met one

[@AnthonyBRADFORD-s3q]

good for you

[@kingzucski8027]

Well he didnt cheat in the games he played against, he cheayed after the games, so he wasnt a cheater when you beat him 4 times.

[@reho6760]

Beating my opponent into cheating...

[@paulnorthey6712]

Wild

[@chess26622]

If I wanted to cheat, I would rather create a new account, and play until it gets banned so I can prevent unfair point losses to normal people, than to start cheating on my first account, where I only played myself, right? And important is to play until your account gets banned to prevent what I mentioned before. Sometimes everyone of us wants to win some games even in an unfair way, especially in tilt

[@surajdawadi2179]

how to cheat?help me..install software or what?

[@chess26622]

@@surajdawadi2179 you create a new account, and from another device go to analysis, and in your game make the best moves, and this way you will win every game, because even if your engine is not the strongest, it is definitely stronger than your opponent-notcheaters. Or you can even play against Maximum computer and copy all its moves. I think there are many ways, but this is mine

[@cheeseman430]

What

[@MAHADEVMAHAKL]

How can anyone cheat in 3 mins game 😢😢

[@IWontBuy-RP]

Auto-chess bots, most just read the board and say the best 3 moves live. Some can even play for you. I've seen people say it's impossible to cheat in bullet, blablabla. They just really dont understand how strong computers are rn and how good some people can code 😅

[@myturtlegogo4175]

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[@donkarnage6986]

Haha thats funny.. In normal games is the guys from usa that use to cheat...

[@WeaponsRemorse]

i caught my first low level cheater i'm a 250 rn and super proud of that.but after like 20 moves this 100 started doing lines a 100 should not know i'm like okay even as a 200 i know something is up he started playing like a 800 or so yeah i lost but he was a sand bagger if ( my homies are 425 and 360 we play OTB) so i know when a 100 is NOT a 100 now. reported that dude and got my rate back. you and levy's book have helped me a lot cheaters suck...

[@r33th]

Yeah, I mean the guy appears to have cheated in those other games, but he clearly didn't cheat against you, so I feel a little bamboozled by the title. But hey, its youtube and cheater content does well 😂

[@Crelids]

Went to go laugh at him on twitch but he hasn't streamed for 3 years :(

[@ok-hd4so]

lol me too.