I Bought A Stark VARG! | For Trail Riding?..

[@trevorjameson3213]

So there's an environmental impact when guys ride on a motocross track, or trails. But there's no environmental impact when land developers come in and bulldoze entire areas and scrape every living thing off the surface of the earth, and then build hundreds of houses there? No noise or anything involved with bulldozers and earth-moving equipment either? Well, I guess it all has to do with who has the most money.

[@AdventureDaily]

That's a fact!

[@doobielawson702]

That's a helluva point you make sir, well said.

[@mxbadboy263]

I think about that every time I see land for sale that's fully forested. The bulldozer will show up, push the trees in a pile and burn them. But God help you if you got caught riding a motorcycle in it.

[@robertandersson2523]

Scientists agees that electric is better. But I assume you know better? Petrol isn't clean to get either. Environment aside, it's more acceptable with electric bikes due to noise. I still burn gas with both a Duke 890R and a 690 Enduro so I'm one of the bad guys as well.

[@matthewhoopes7757]

Trevor man, that is so TRUE! Several years ago in Tucson there was an area of desert that they closed off to even mountain bikes for a while. Then guess what. You got it....they cleared the desert off and put up expensive homes. That was an eye opening experience that I won't ever forget. When it comes to money, anything can be done. Therefore, I have adjusted my world views/opinions on that.

[@mxgryan]

I fell in love with the Alta and the electric dream at a demo in 2018. For me, it has nothing to do with environmental impact and everything to do with simplicity and noise reduction. I'm hoping to see one in person within the next 4 weeks.

[@jeremycallender7641]

I think the Varg will be perfect for kart track supermoto. No range anxiety required!

[@martycech5844]

80HP and 600+ lb/ft torque…🥇🏆

[@JBean_COCR]

Thanks Tanner, great show re the Varg. I like most of what you had to say, but will disagree on the battery tech. The Varg uses 2170 cells which have around 250 Wh (watt-hours) per kg, but another company (Amprius) just released cells (for aviation) that produce 500 Wh per kg, that's double, in about 5 years of development. These are pouch cells, not cylindrical, but if cells double again in 5-10 years, Bob's your uncle. Now you are getting up into 100-200 mi range. I'm hopeful, but probably too old (will I still be able to ride in my 70s?). Good for everyone else though. In the meantime thinking of getting one and adding 40-60 lbs of cells under the seat and along the sides of the current battery (think KTM 890 fuel tanks), make it an ADV bike. At that point they'd need to do DC fast charging/battery swap. Hope it's only another 5 years...

[@wyattguttery9614]

We’re all waiting on these bikes to be fully released to see what they can do! I want one to mess around on and just have a good time

[@dougwelch6446]

Awesome video ! I ve been riding/racing off road for almost 50 years. I ve got two national champion plaques in hare scrambles ( +40A and +50A) But I ve never even sat on an electric bike. Never had the desire too. But your video has opened my eyes to it and sparked an interest. Funny over the years I ve told people ( other racers) that I ve often detuned my bikes instead of searching for more power to make them more ridable . I ve often used a term in describing the power I love in my bike power delivery ( and I race and ride on both two and four stroke bikes) as " electric". Funny, how that term is transforming my thoughts now !

[@ElectroBikesusa]

Great video and loving all that we are seeing from the Stark Varg!

[@jmos96]

Great video! Thanks for including the Alta as it has lots of similarities to the Varg. One similarity is they both have approximately the same battery size of 6kWh so the range will be comparable for both bikes. It’s sad what Harley did to close down Alta. It’s a great bike and I enjoy riding it every chance I get. I have gas bikes too but the Alta is by far my favorite. Josh Hill just bought another Alta for his personal use and I think that’s a very strong statement. Thanks again for the great video.

[@pmullen5319]

@6:00 all bikes have the same hardware. The difference between the 60HP and the 80HP bike is software unlocking the extra HP. I ordered the 60HP on day one, and given that every review that actually included riding, the person saying they had the tech tune down the power, I think I made the right choice!

[@mxoudi]

Hey thank you for this video. It was SUPER super informative & I like all the points you went over. I pre ordered this bike within the first week it got announced, so I got grandfathered into the 13000$ price with the 80 HP version. I think the 1000$ price increase was fairly recent. I'm a class C rider/ weekend warrior who also rides trails sometimes. I'm thinking this bike should be enough but we should see more independent reviews when the first people get their Stark's in March. I'm hoping this will be enough to get me through the entire day of track tiding. 30 miles of trail riding is more than I would ever need & I think the Stark should have no problem hitting that, so this bike already suits the offroad department (atleast for someone like me). I'm really curious on how long it will last on an mx track. I don't prefer buying a generator for the Stark, but for those long weekend events I may have to. (not the end of the world, but whatever lol) I personally don't give a rats a*s about the "environment friendly" factor of this bike, reason being is because the environment is already compromised when we destroy acers of trees and land, running animals out of their natural habitat with bulldozers and other awful man made equipment to build a motocross track, so either way we're screwing the environment when you look at it from the bigger picture, and whether you're ridng a gas or electric bike is pretty irrelevant at that point LOL. The electric bike helps a little since there's no C02 emissions, but it's not the sole determinant of environmental damage by any means. I do love the Earth and do what I can to help, but there's not a whole lot of worrying that's worth doing at an individual level. I'm mainly excited for electric bikes because riding them is more fun to me, no shifting gears, instant torque, no waiting for the bike to warmp up, peace and quiet, no loud noises pi**ing people off, you can tune it to ride from a 125 to a 650, giving LOTS of riding options without having to mess with the gearing of your bike, and little to no maintenance which is probably the best part because I am NOT a mechanic or a handy person in the slightest. Just chains, sprockets, break pads, and bearing replacements which is little to nothing. The long term quality control issues are another thing that kinda concerns me. Would hate to spend 13k on a bike an 8 months later we discover a huge defect with little product support and puts my riding on hold, but seeing as Alta did fine I'm sure this will be okay as well but again we shall see! Thanks again for the video!

[@kyleosbun]

Have you got it yet?

[@mxoudi]

@@kyleosbun It is scheduled to come in at the end of September this year , and I think I'm going to go through with it!!

[@mxoudi]

@@kyleosbun Based on the current reviews, it looks like I will definitely need a generator since it dies after 35 minutes of riding at a class B level. With me on it, probably 40-45 minutes, but even then that's more than enough since I'm usually tired of riding my bike in 15 minutes, 25 MAX 😂 😂

[@BrettDavis514]

I use my alta mxr for short rides. Slow tight single track it lasts quite long actually but once you get into any sections where you can really get on the throttle/hill climbs/sand. Bye bye battery haha. Best bike I've owned but it's a novelty bike for sure.. Wish they had more range or a quick swap battery!

[@tazdevil5032]

Thank you for the review. Despite the price of 14,000 dollars, it is still relatively close to the cost of a new 450, which typically sells for 10,000 to 11,000 dollars out the door in California. Additionally, there are rumors of an upcoming initiative in California that would prohibit the sale of gas-powered dirt bikes after 2025, and the state will also be eliminating red and green sticker registration, allowing all bikes manufactured before 2022 to obtain a green sticker. So yes I am also looking at a Stark,

[@TheBliudas]

Yep, the range

[@Advbikewermland]

Congrats to the Varg! Mine is due to arrive in June -23 🙂

[@snupermoto723]

I wouldve thought a trials bike would be right up your alley.

[@AdventureDaily]

It would be but man that's an expensive toy!

[@mortenbecker-eriksen4665]

Na you can't pay in full until your bike is actually planned for production, weeks before you get it. You can also do changes to setup up to that point. 60/80 hp does not matter regarding stress. It's the same bike with the same motor and the same battery. It's just a programming thing and youcan upgrade the bike after you bought it with a simple OTA sw upgrade. The bike is now in delivery and except the two first that was delivered in mid may the customers are about the recieve the first real batch of bikes. That means that they seem to miss the latest delivery dates given with only a few weeks.

[@pinecone3604]

Well that's extremely exciting can't wait to see how it turns out. Love your videos!

[@CarChrisMC]

Fyi: The fast charging works on a 8KW source!!! So be happy if you can recharge 15% in your truck break generator! Anyway, I also want to pre order one, and buy some more solar panels and batteries (1000€), so I can charge this bike for FREE! I live next to a 600 hectare natural parc, so driving there is not an issue. Usually I start by driving a 1000m up, race around and limb back down :D Drove like 14 different gas bikes through the years and yeah the maintenance is a fun killer! Still want to see how long these electric bikes will last tho! 15k€ fully and might break down in a few years... being like 5k€ on the Electronic parts! Had some electric scooters which I abused daily and a few parts together cost more than the whole scooter!

[@thenobleandmightybeaver4411]

I wish you luck getting your Stark Varg. I can't wait to see some long-term ownership reviews after average people start taking delivery of these bikes. I just got a Surron Ultra Bee. I am small, and the Varg was too big a bike for me and frankly outside what I wanted to pay for an electric bike at this time. I also ride a 2013 Husky TE310, which for what I do is more bike than I will ever need. I am debating now keeping or selling the Husky. It looks like the Varg is definitely going to pick up where the Alta left off and push the electric off-road motorcycle industry forward to everyone's benefit. Cheers, great video.

[@Checkyoursix77]

I got a KTM Freeride for trail riding in the local woods but sold it after just a couple of rides. It left me stranded in the woods twice. The range was ridiculous short. Only 20 minutes on fire roads and maybe 40 minutes of normal single track. And that’s from a full battery until it stopped. Absolutely useless. I really hope this bike is better but it’s a motocross bike not a bike for long days trail riding in the woods. Best of luck!👍

[@the_rocky_mountain_rider]

That is unfortunate. Definately limits the fun.

[@michaelruss2513]

No sir. Im old school. Like the sound and smells of the combustion engine. And hate that whiney electric sound.

[@ChrisSoignier]

I've reserved (not bought, nobody has bought one yet) a Varg for trail riding as well. My understanding is that the motors are the same, with the extra 20 hp coming from a software upgrade.

[@RideFishHunt]

Remember the Tesla cyber truck? You won't see that for a long time. I almost put money on one. I don't want to be tied down to a buy for ever.

[@michaelhippenhammer2246]

Thanks for the honest conversation. I love my gas bike but, I’m not stupid, electric is the future and I can’t wait for solid state batteries to double the range of the current technology and reduce the weight. Thanks for the rides!

[@markjeepingful]

Did you choose 18 rear instead of 19??? I had 1990 YZ 250 with 19 rear seems ride over anything better than 18!!! Now I currently riding 2022 Lifan 250 KPX dual sport with 18 rear.

[@rjm7168]

They'll need to add speakers and a BRRAAAP button

[@uncletom1971]

But what about the smells? And the sound? And the vibrations?

[@jasminlevesque5798]

And what about the clutch?

[@uncletom1971]

@@jasminlevesque5798 Exactly! I almost forgot!?

[@michaelanderson3771]

Hey Tanner - I have followed the Stark release but still waiting to hear when they will be in production. Slated for delivered out the door in Aus at AUD$17,000.00 and due to supply chain issues Australia wont get till next September 2023. WOG. ( With Out Guarantee) There was also the KTM free ride electric and now the Suron Storm bee which are both MX style bikes and really like the Alta but nowhere near the Horse power that Stark Future are bringing to the market. Love to see it when you get yours. And hey you can ride anywhere and not piss off the neighbours. In Aus a 240 V AC generator is only AUD$500.00 so cheap as to recharge during a lunch break out in the bush. Keep up the great content. Tuning in from Melbourne Australia.

[@gearhigher2027]

Thanks for the insight. Curious, have you ridden the Electric Motion Epure or Escape? Do you think the clutch is necessary based on your enduro background?

[@daneg]

It's the same motor. 60hp and 80hp are just electronic unlocks. you can pay for the unlock later if you want. ofc, I post this 5 months later. 😁 edit: given the competitive price point, I see this easily replacing 450 4-strokes on the MX/SX track. It's like riding a 125cc 2-stroke with the a smoother, stronger power delivery than any 450cc 4-stroke. also no shifting, and moving the rear break to the handlebars makes cornering quicker to the (traditional) rear brake side. I'm more concerned right now with the battery efficiency decay (forget the technical term). Limiting this bike to any particular class based on HP for MX/SX won't go well for combustion engines, b/c this thing owns them in cornering and power delivery, plus the no gears/shifting and braking advantage. I foresee something similar to spoilers on race cars for the first 5 or so years that this bike races with combustion engines.

[@uncletom1971]

I am very curious about when you'll be selling your Varg, how much you'll get for it.

[@fulltang1]

No clutching or shifting will drastically simplify technical riding I think. Frees up some headroom to focus on other factors

[@AmeriMutt76]

A few of the enduro style bikes have a slipper clutch, still useful.

[@suzuki06g]

BRP (aka CAN-AM) is going to launch a full electric bike lineup in the next year or two, pictures are on the web if you do a simple "Can-Am electric motorcycle" search.

[@bradl45]

Stoked for you!!!!

[@scottbainbridge4241]

I have an order in as well. I’m cautiously optimistic that it will have the range to trail ride.. I will moto it as well. If I had input to them…. Develop kits to add lights etc to put it on the road…. SM wheels would e perfect local hooligan, back twistys play bike in short distances. I often run the local roads for 45mins for fun.

[@c-note4146]

While the Stark and the Alta look pretty friggin dope, I’m still hoping that someday Christini will into full production with their prototyped AWD electric/rotary hybrid. That thing looks sick AF…and I spoke with the man about future plans for the thing…

[@mikehunt3987]

2wd would be awesome!

[@c-note4146]

@@mikehunt3987 I think so. I’ve been thinking hard on sending Christini my Beta to have them custom convert it to AWD.

[@TheKernables]

I’m all for Ecars but I don’t know if I’m quite ready for a Ebike. It’s mainly the range that gets me, I’d really like to see the battery’s become easy to swap and become more affordable but I know that’s a long ways out. I also really hope these company’s keep the clutch even if it’s not necessary needed. But good luck man! Year and a half wait is definitely a blessing in disguise for something like this. The bike you get will be allot better than what they’re offering right now🤙

[@laundrieshanging9077]

check out specialized and trek :)

[@aceneto9386]

The only thing is how would a clutch be usefull on electric

[@TheKernables]

@@aceneto9386 keep the power curve manageable but still be able to pop the clutch when needed/wanted.

[@aceneto9386]

@@TheKernables it’s electric it has instant torque nothing a fake clutch would do that you couldn’t do anyways.

[@AmeriMutt76]

@aceneto9386 Cake's enduro, and a few others still have a clutch. The power might be called "instant" but being able to drop the clutch is still key.

[@321Misfits]

Bro I love the videos keep posting !!!

[@hughkerrigan4787]

I have a gray 18” alpha ordered too. They should offer heavier springs, but I have a set of cones for it and correct spring, so no biggie

[@_BlueCollarGamer]

March 2024 is almost here... has it been pushed back further or will it be coming in?

[@jonbooth4416]

I'll take an Enduro version when they come out with it.

[@carsongodshall]

Hey Tanner I have a Alta. If you ever come back out to Colorado where I live we should meet up and do some riding and I could bring the Alta if you wanna try it. It is a lot of fun! -Carson

[@AdventureDaily]

Hey thank you for the offer Carson I would love to!!

[@C5Tor]

@@AdventureDaily Same here. We are in the San Francisco Bay Area. We’ve literally let hundreds of people ride our Altas. Where are you located? Maybe we can work with the Alta Owners Forum and find you a local Alta to ride for a segment.

[@JoshStreetDesign]

I hate to break it to you, but you're going to be VERY disappointed if you think the Varg is going to get more range than the Alta. For all purposes it's basically going to be the same. It's literally only a .2kwh larger battery. That's negligible, regardless of whatever mapping updates they've come up with. I can kill my Altas battery in 8 miles in Map 4 if I want. I can just squeak out 20 miles in the woods if I ride in Map1 super easy. But I hate riding easy, I like to rip. If you ride it on the road and stay under 30mph, then sure you can get more than 30 miles out of it. But you cannot take out for a full day of riding. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my Alta MXR, it's the best bike I've ever ridden, but sadly I tend to always go for my KTM 350 XC-F since i can ride as much as I want and wring the crap out of it all day long without worrying about running out of juice. And so you know I'm not trolling, here's a video of me ripping my Alta. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rF7SiqCOr8iHe5Y

[@Ozfreerider_adventures]

You have no idea what the capacity will be , as far as sun rime that is , yes .2 larger capacity , but what I’d the engine is more efficient ? They have spoken about how an electric motor is most efficient at half of is maximum capacity , did alta take advantage of this ? What capacity was their motor and what % was it running at ? Also stark have used are carbon sleeve electric moror the same as what Tesla have only recently developed . Is this more efficient? Supposedly it is . Did you factor this in ? Supposedly and electric motor with metal sleeve creates a counter force from the magnetic field created by motor , the carbon is non conducive and doesn’t have this negative force acting on motor. I believe this WILL make them last longer than a stark , by how much ? Who knows 🤷‍♂️

[@JoshStreetDesign]

@@Ozfreerider_adventures bro, come back down to reality. I build ebikes and batteries. I 100% guarantee it will not get much more range than the Alta. When it comes out and everyone realizes the truth, come back to this comment string.

[@Ozfreerider_adventures]

@@JoshStreetDesign so you won’t acknowledge anything about the possibilities of the motor being more efficient ? Did Tesla designs carbon sleeve motor for no reason ?

[@Ozfreerider_adventures]

@@JoshStreetDesign funny how your only argument is “ I build electric bikes and batteries … lol . No technical argument at all, nothing to back up what you’re saying , at what level do you “build” them ? Assemble them or sit in a lab and design batteries and motors ? Oh and also the Alta was pushing around a 117kg bike vs 110 for the varg , so there’s efficiency all ready gained . You think they are going to make false claims about the capacity ? And have their company bankrupted by law suits for false advertising? I highly doubt they would claim it can do a full mxgp heat with a pro rider if it can’t do it

[@JoshStreetDesign]

@@Ozfreerider_adventures sure I'll acknowledge it but it's not going to make that much difference. It's still mostly dependent on what a battery has to give and it doesn't have much more to give than an Alta battery. Especially given that the bike has 80 horsepower 30 more than the Ulta so that is going to have a lot more wheel spin and kill that battery even faster if you ride it at anywhere near full power. A lot of people are forgetting that little nugget.

[@allenvoshall]

The 80hp and 60hp have the SAME motor and battery. Just a software restriction/license. So, if you will never need more than 60hp, save the $1k !

[@Ozfreerider_adventures]

I have commented on this and said the same thing and my comment was deleted , then did it again and it was deleted again , almost like this guy doesn’t want to be made to look stupid and uniformed talking about how the 80 hp has a bigger motor …. 🤷‍♂️

[@allenvoshall]

@@Ozfreerider_adventures Hmmm, OK, that's interesting. Truth is, I made the same wrong assumptions when I put in a deposit in December 2021, so I certainly understand his logic. But when I found out that the hardware is the same, I contacted Stark support and changed my order. I certainly do not need 80hp, so I saved $1k. And I also got in berfore the $1k price increase. My bike is estimated to arrive in September 2023, according to the latest schedule, can't wait!

[@Ozfreerider_adventures]

@@allenvoshall mine is due in may 2024 ! All of the journalists that tested the system had the power turned done from 60 as even ghat was a lot . So buying an 80 hp isn’t much more than a gimmick that people might turn up to for no more than a laugh with their buddies and then it will be back down to a usable level . Would be fun to have a ride or at 80 don’t get me wrong but waste of money in my opinion . When you get yours jump back in here and let us know how the battery life is 👍.

[@allenvoshall]

@@Ozfreerider_adventures I think we will know real world range before I get mine. If they make the current schedule, the first customers will receive their bikes Q1 of 23 (March). And if you were riding wide open in the sand you might be able to use 80hp, but not for long (battery life).

[@jonbooth4416]

Nevermind gas/oil mix or oil changes. I'd be excited about never changing another air filter again lol!

[@R3PU8L1C4N]

Damn, are you able to get them plated?

[@jamesr6599]

Hey I’m new to your channel but I love your videos, I’m buying a 2015 Honda 420 fourtrax but the plastics are just wrecked on it, I was wondering if you knew anywhere that I could get a new set delivered to me. Can’t seem to find what I need anywhere

[@MyRustBeltLife]

They look cool. Hopefully the come out with a street legal version. You know Honda has one coming out.

[@JoshStreetDesign]

Honda does NOT have on coming out. That was just a one off prototype and they have no intention of producing it.

[@AMSRMX16]

I don't think you'll ever get one. And If by a miracle you do, you won't like it. They've taken so long to get it out that word is KTM are ahead of the game and releasing something next year that will blow it away.

[@jemirandav]

You'll get the Red Stark Varg my friend, yes the red one.

[@tianjohan4633]

Dude, u need a portable Diy "charge box" of lfp's. re charge in no time. that will re charge as fast as bms will allow.

[@manueladolfoholzmannillane3050]

I have a doubt. What's the peak power of the motor and the rated power of the moto? same for torque please (stark Varg)

[@manybikes]

Me too!!!

[@AdventureDaily]

Hell yeah!!! Can't wait for that first ride.

[@desert-teen]

Looks good. The Audio doesn't seem to be working. Not sure if it's just me.

[@abbyqayyum5068]

Bro i need more video about grom😂😂

[@AdventureDaily]

Grom's be GONE

[@jamesgeorgevellavella1961]

$18000 here & long wait. My concerns are parts after a stack & price they will demand for another battery

[@sandysmith7485]

Sweet bike. They need to at least, double the ride time and come with a 2nd. battery. Ride safe my 2 wheel friends.

[@robertandersson2523]

I hope they will come out on the market. A lot of hype but no bikes. Hope it's not a new Alta. I think people will be disappointed at the range as well if they think it's a whole day of shredding. Trial bikes are good for electric.

[@billcotton1551]

It sure looks good! Did you say 2024?

[@papouneterrier7896]

thanks !

[@advkatie]

The sound is working fine for me 🤷‍♀️

[@njmxjunkie3128]

There’s a guy here in nj with a nearly brand new Alta redshift for sale. It’s got only 300 miles on it

[@njmxjunkie3128]

It’s on Facebook marketplace. It’s overpriced but it’s definitely a creampuff

[@mxbadboy263]

Good luck selling it.

[@TheYoutubeKid1]

Congratulations

[@markbowman4354]

As a shorter rider myself could you please tell me how tall Alexis is, as I am interested in an Xtrainer. I may have missed this in the comments.

[@BarnStangz]

This electric revolution is such a crock of shit. Most people have no clue what kind of strain it'll have on our grid here in the USA and the cost of making the batteries is still on the insane side. Until there is a better method of making batteries, possibly solid state, EV shit is still going to be a waste for a majority of people. And we'll need to get the grid beefed up to handle all the DC fast charging. Some cities are making things happen, but it's going to take YEARS for the small cities to catch up. I think the Stark Varg will be fun and it'll get you some views on the channel for sure. So I hope you get it! It'll be interesting to see their range and run times or maybe if they'll make it easy to swap the battery pack out, then you could have a spare in the truck that maybe is even hooked up to some solar panels to keep it topped off. The future is going to be sweet ass for sure, but like you said, the ICE engine is going to be around for a long time. If you look to the largest car producer in the world, Toyota, they have no plans to abandon the ICE. Having said all that. If the Varg is a hot seller, I'm sure Yamaha and Honda has some good offerings that are ready to fly to market as well. Going to be an interesting next 5-10 years.

[@goku0910]

KTM freeride or the Surron Storm Bee are out there as well

[@matthewhoopes7757]

So, I feel like I should share a thought which is obviously just my opinion. So this Stark bike does look cool no doubt. But, realistically how long do you think you would keep it? Here is a very non-fun option you may keep in the back of your mind. So, lets say your 30, or close to it. If you invested 14K into say a Vanguard index fund for 30 yrs at 7% interest and put in $200 a month you would have approx $333,000 at 60. I'm all about enjoying life, taking (a lot) of time off but I also have a mantra of not being broke at 60. So, I keep things reasonable and live way (way) below my means but not in danger of being called boring. Anyway, if you, or anyone reading this takes a moment to think about being 60 and broke, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. I apologize for my completely unfun sounding advice.

[@mxgryan]

So we shouldn't buy dirtbikes?

[@matthewhoopes7757]

@@mxgryan No no. We should buy dirtbikes. Just not spend all our money on dirtbikes and end up broke. As I get older I'm beginning to see older friends who had lots of cool stuff but are now struggling. And the truth of the matter is they made many poor financial choices. But hey, people can do whatever they want. I choose to have cheaper bikes and plenty of money.

[@zaarkeru3391]

@@matthewhoopes7757 I mean, the Varg is cheap to run, so if you keep it for a couple of years it will pay for itself (especially in europe).

[@OtisFlint]

I'm not missing out on awesome cars and bikes so i can take a bag of cash to the grave.

[@TraviNomotion]

Yikes already pushing back delivery again seems like they’ll never ship these at this point first it was September 22 then January 23 now March 2024?

[@federico297]

They'll deliver (in theory, at this moment)the very first bikes to costumers in March '23. He got march 2024 because of the waiting list

[@TraviNomotion]

@@federico297 still a long ways away from their initial claim of September this year

[@federico297]

@@TraviNomotion it's understandable: global crisis, raw material shortage, the necessity to build a factory from the ground up and the fact they're a small and new manufacturer. Tesla has done the same with pretty much every vehicle they made (cybertruck, roadster, the semi truck ect). I'm one of the first to have ordered the bike, so i'm a bit pissed but i can understand the difficulties

[@lindellsiler5994]

I may be alone in my opinion but think about this. 4 strokes can be quieter than 2 strokes but their sound seems to travel farther. Having worked around electric motors most my life I find their sound annoying. Out in the open(oilfield) or indoor(printing presses/forklifts) it's the same to me. When you push performance levels they all up the sound. Electric off road motorcycles won't stop track/trail closings. I think there is room for 2/4/E /hydrogen and whatever else people are working on. I don't believe ev anything are the magic solution to our problems.

[@ka4172]

On the budget side are the Suron dirt bikes.

[@mxbadboy263]

Love the idea of an electric dual sport but given the range it's an expensive toy.

[@04ninjazx10rr]

The irony. You will bring a GAS generator to recharge an electric bike.

[@mxbadboy263]

Local electric bike motocross track shut down due to generator noise!

[@txripper1]

BWHaskell Channel has a ton of info in the real world. Dyno, Ride Time etc... On a MX track expect 35 mins to deplete the battery

[@WickedWaysfpv7087]

well since you say it's a toy for the rich and you have it why not just buy one of those electric power bank generators they have them with 220 that way you can charge it without a noisy generator going while at the truck or even charge while in the truck if you were going to more than one spot in a day

[@FourthWayRanch]

don't these electric motors overheat under high load in high outside temps?....ya, I think so

[@swedish_sadhguru3854]

I want to see a light weight motocross with hydrogen!

[@mxbadboy263]

Love your channel but I call bs that you bought one! You put down a $100 deposit. Not the same thing.

[@JoshStreetDesign]

I was going to say the same thing. Clickbait. haha

[@rjm7168]

I guess after the $14000 we have to add in another $1000 for a generator.

[@markAD666]

I really wanted to hear your thoughts on the Surron.. I know its more like a mountain bike but theres a huge modding community behind it... it seems like with all the mods you can do to them you spend about 10k, maybe more now since a lot of ppl want them.. thing is I think stock they compare to like a 200cc or something...

[@JoshStreetDesign]

A stock sur ron is NOW WHERE NEAR a 200cc gas bike, although I don't even know of any 200cc gas bikes, they're 150 or 250. Only someone who hasn't ridden either would say that no offense. A stock sur ron is practically equivalent to an 80cc. Sur Rons are also tiny. Way smaller than you realize.

[@Dopressor]

For more information about what happened to ALTA here's a link with Ryan F9 from fortnine!: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXLTgXx7o6adpNU

[@MotoFamMayhem]

I'm not getting any audio 🤔

[@Zecadadega]

Everything looks so...strange!

[@bikevault2302]

can you fit a kickstart

[@mxbadboy263]

Yep! It's connected to a small generator. 1000 kicks gets you a mile of range!

[@cookz-bs10gaming]

Half the world has deposits on the varg- when does it arrive when will we see videos of users actuall riding it

[@rjm7168]

I can see it now, All these dirt bikers sitting around their trucks with their gas generators running to recharge their electric bikes. So much for switching to electric.

[@Henryve33s]

There was a stark at sema this year

[@AdventureDaily]

Damn! I still haven't seen it yet in person, how'd it look?

[@Henryve33s]

@@AdventureDaily I wasn’t there but looked t like they wanted to hide it

[@mattskinner8858]

Technology moves quickly in everything but batteries

[@zaarkeru3391]

Except batteries is one of the quickest moving technological fields we have....

[@SurFrankenRon]

I want a varg so bad

[@ryanhosted3051]

How hard can it be to make a bike with an electric motor and computer..I'd say theyre making it a bit harder than it is.

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[@mmaaddict78]

I think you're going in the wrong direction. You like slow and technical riding, so you're buying an electric motocross bike? You should check out actual (made in America) electric mountain bikes. Not the Chinese ones. I mean the electric mountain bikes made by companies like Trek, Specialized, Orbea, Niner, Giant, Yeti....they are amazing bikes. They are class 1 bikes(pedal assist only, no throttle), so you can ride them everywhere legally, including bicycle trails. A Specialized Turbo Levo will change your life. You'll have to spend at least 5k to get into one of these bikes, but it's so worth it. I think you'd have a blast on these full suspension bikes. Almost all of them have a 29" front wheel to roll smoothly over almost any damn thing. Most are less than 55 pounds and you can trail ride all day without worrying about battery. I sold my KTM and bought one of these electric mountain bikes recently. I have zero regrets. I can ride so many new trails that were off limits to me previously. If you want a good cardio workout, put the bike on eco and go to town. Refrain from turbo mode, it will spoil you! A bonus for me is riding to and from the trails in the comfort and safety of my car. I used to not enjoy the ride home on my dual sport.

[@bradbaublitz9046]

Hell no I don’t want any part of electric dirt bikes or cars they look like plastic toys! This world is going to shit ! Nothing beats the sound and power and rumble of an combustion engine running.

[@zaarkeru3391]

Sure, but those rumbling combustion engines cause the closure of local MX/enduro tracks. These electric MX/enduro/SM bikes allow for local tracks, that wont be shut down due to complaining normal people

[@franckbrunie4759]

Range. It's like having a gas bike with 1/2 gallon tank

[@williamchristine1384]

It was a shame to see alta go the bike was great to ride but terrible range 20 miles max at a good woods pace

[@aaronpantell1038]

No sound

[@Fontainebleauify]

looking forward to a nice electric bike..... the thing I can't stop worrying about is hitting people who don't hear me and the ensuing problems legally for us.

[@headout3116]

938nm of torque? Um... What?

[@brockashsfrund]

The range on the stark varg isnt any better than the alta

[@davidnagy6217]

wheres your stark?

[@AdventureDaily]

Yeah that's a long story.

[@BarnStangz]

....Oh, and I think you got the "Snow White" color since your a white BOI!!!!