I Bought Rip Off Products off TEMU

[@MakeSomething]

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[@Chicago48]

The Rockler looks like it was a private label of the OEM from Temu. If it's a ripoff, there would be a lawsuit and cease and desist. I think those goods are coming out of the same factory. If you go to AMZ you can find those exact things that Temu sells and AMZ sells and big price difference.

[@MakeSomething]

@kelly-green Weirdly enough I have a 67 Chevy with a 350.

[@arffadailey8055]

@kelly-green Poor analogy Ferrari is not noted for build quality. Some of the models in 70s had left & right doors that were different lengths. Fuel lines running over the engine that sprayed gas everywhere melting the car down in record time.

[@MrWhateverfits]

When a company does business with China they have to give them all the patent and blue prints for the products they want the Chinese company to make. China makes knock off iPhone's along with all other products. The way international law works China is well within it's right to make these knock offs as the original companies have pretty much given them permission to do so just for doing business in China.

[@MrWhateverfits]

@@Chicago48 International law as well as the clauses China has to do business in the country prevents any such legal action.

[@quantumss]

$169.00 for a coping saw. Thats about $129.00 too much. Beats me why anyone would pay that. Sad.

[@devilblueduke]

$40 is still too much

[@alext8828]

@@devilblueduke How 'bout tree fiddy?

[@jailbird1133]

@@quantumss you want high quality tools, you gotta pay for it.

[@spocktn8337]

I have an electrical one. Big solid cast iron that cut 40cm deep. Bought it 20 years ago but it was 40 dollar or less. In today money maybe 2 times that. In Swedish Biltema we have a similar handsaw for 4.50 dollars right now. And that is steel.

[@wagthedognz]

you think thats expensive...trying marring my sister in law.

[@trumbleslum]

I am a crafter and have bought numerous items on Temu, I cannot say every single one was perfect for the job but 98% were brilliant and extremely cheaper than the named brands. I suppose it's the old saying "buyer beware".

[@DEUSCATTUS]

any recommendations?

[@devilblueduke]

The same. I love the clear rubber stamps Some cost only $1.25 sheet of the exact ones that Tim Holtz sells for $35-$45 !! And his isn’t clear. I love clear ones cause I know exactly where to put them.

[@SidBonkers51]

Never used Temu but bought loads of similar stuff off Ali Express and totally agree, for occasional use why would anyone pay two or three times the price for stuff made in the same factories or at the very least similar far east factories. Most hobbyists dont care if a tool wont last a lifetime.

[@evgeniydeus8137]

In 99.9% cases nobody would ever notice what kind of wood was used for dominos.

[@R.Oates7902]

True

[@m2ukass]

Also it doesn't even matter. It's never the domino or dowel itself that fails. It's either wood around the glued joint that breaks or the glue itself degrades over time and loosens the joint. It was the only one on the list that you could literally just switch out for half the price and it wouldn't make any difference at all.

[@MrPezsgess]

@@m2ukass True.

[@Kate-turbokateproducts]

when you buy from China to sell in United States they give you permission to put your company name on it, the ones they sell on TEMU come from the same place in China everything nowadays is made in China

[@alext8828]

Who gives what permission?

[@miskatonic6210]

It's total marketing bullshit to say you pay extra for development and that's why the product is expensive. There's companies paid to calculate how much you can milk your customer for a product. And US americans are known to pay ridiculous amounts for a brand name. The very same product will be way cheaper in other countries.

[@phil031066]

When major companies use Chinese manufacturers the manufacturers have been known to make the same or similar products using cheaper materials in the same factory but sell them unbranded.

[@varsam]

Actually when the companies make facture in China they sighn a contract for the usege of the patent(or the patent) after 10 years. They build miror factory and w8 the patent right, some start earlier ... when they pay a bit to the patent holder, thats why in most cases the patent holder dont go balistic or act surprised.

[@samward9641]

​@@varsamis oh that makes sense. That's why I ended up with a Chinese Gibson Les Paul that says made in America...

[@martyntimmings4785]

Friend of mine ran a lighting company he sent molds to china for a cast aluminum product to be manufactured the counterfeit product ended up at a major retailer in Canada before he got his 1st shipment

[@martyntimmings4785]

Beware electrical products they are not certified to UL or CSA safety standards and could be a safety or fire hazard

[@nicholasadams2374]

And in some cases, the company outsourcing to China is fully aware, and complicit in the sale of that unbranded product. I know because I worked with a company in Shenzhen designing vape hardware for several years. Btw @Varsam, many of these manufacturers in China have zero qualms about copyright infringement. LOL.

[@darlene9145]

Prices on Temu do go up and down frequently due to sales, but the good thing is if within 30 of your purchase you notice a lower price, they will refund you the difference

[@alexandrevaliquette3883]

"Due to sales" Of course it's not a shitty old marketing tactic. Pump the price to an insane number, than offer an amazing discount. But no, no, it's just related to sales volume. lol

[@sew_gal7340]

@@alexandrevaliquette3883 who cares, 99% of their stuff works well enough...youre not gonna get something that lasts 30 years but i dont need a towel to last that long any way

[@m.g.540]

No the wont, they just say they will but never come through, then offer you a discount on some other worthless rubbish that no one would ever need.

[@shatogirl]

@@m.g.540 you’re completely wrong, i’ve been refunded the difference multiple times

[@phrunt]

@@shatogirl Exactly, that's how it works, only people who have never used it would say otherwise

[@darrenpaulgreen]

I’ve got one of the Marita-fake hand routers bought from Amazon. It’s at least 5 years old and never missed a beat. It’s insanely loud but it lives in my basic router bench and it’s still going strong.

[@extec101]

thought that also that eaven if its cheap it can still be a good working product for the hobbyist that dont cant or wont spend a fortune on a brand name product.

[@mostertpot1]

I love Temu, cheap stuff, so don't expect high quality. The service is not bad at all. If you complain they often give your money back and you can just keep it. If you buy a watch for 2,95 don't expect a Rolex.

[@stevecarlisle3323]

I guess the quality you get , depends what you are buying. My purchases of machine tooling, has far exceeded my expectations, very high quality 😉🇨🇦

[@WORKERS.DREADNOUGHT]

I bought a watch for about £2.50 and I lost it. If I had lost a Rolex that would have cost me upwards of £16,000, so I saved a fortune & its still just as lost!

[@WilliamEdwards-pk3dy]

i bought a welking cart from temu and when i got it half of the parts were missing. And they never made it right.They gave me the runaround for over a month and all i have now is a useless pile of metal.

[@WORKERS.DREADNOUGHT]

@@WilliamEdwards-pk3dy A welking cart? For whelks? Sounds great.

[@WilliamEdwards-pk3dy]

@@WORKERS.DREADNOUGHT Welding cart.

[@Rustyrailhead]

I am thinking that most of Temu is for people that are not into doing anything professional and just want something to complete a project.

[@lk4871]

Blue wheel is dodgy but other stuff is very doable. When I see something I like (eg FB) I always do price checks. I always find it cheaper elsewhere.

[@25is27]

Rockler can write the word "Patent " with no reference number all they like. The fact is you cant patent a Brush lol. The only rip off is Rocklers price

[@bridgette58437]

You actually can patent a brush. I can think of no less than 5 different brushes with patents. A few international patents at that.

[@KuptisOriginal]

You'd be surprised what is patentable. I was when I found out. Like the way some things are done in software are patentable and are considered IP (intellectual property).

[@Kunfucious577]

Rockler product are definitely not worth the price. Some of their stuff just like jigs I made at home.

[@OldsmobileCutlass1969Va]

The glue tray might be rejects from the Rockler manufacturing process.

[@brianandrews7099]

To sue, first you have to identify and locate the Chinese company that made the copy products. Good luck with that! You have to know that the Chinese government will not only not assist you in identifying and locating these companies, but do their best to block you from it! If you build a good specialty product, be prepared for cheap imitations. Those that really need a quality product will still pay up for it. Those who don’t will buy the cheap knock offs and, for the price you need for your high quality version, these people would have never been your customers anyway!

[@andersonolive4553]

EMT here, I have run multiple calls involving that chainsaw head grinder wheel thing. The fact they market it to beginners is even worse. In my opinion that shouldn’t be sold to general public. Mishaps with those are MESSY. Thanks for your amazing videos by the way David! You’ve made me a better woodworker.

[@bushratbeachbum]

How many accidents have you attended or witnessed the aftermath of using a chainsaw disc on a grinder? Are they particularly popular in your area? Never seen a single injury from one where i am, or where im from

[@andersonolive4553]

@@RC-oe7um that’s awesome, and no, sounds like too much responsibility. Just ban stupid people, not things.

[@xorsyst1]

They are illegal in the UK, thankfully.

[@zpalladino]

That’s probably grinders in general. Very dangerous piece of equipment

[@karri8998]

@andersonolive4553 you need to make videos on all the mishaps on products like that.

[@danizig7]

Temu will give you a price adjustment if a product's price drops. You can get the difference back. You can check for price adjustments every day, even after you receive the product. For about a month.

[@charlesluck8921]

Consider that Rockler is the ripoff. Ripping off the American consumer for 10X the actual cost of a product. And that is just one in a million examples of the same thing going on. Go buy a designer watch for $300-$400 and I almost guarantee you it was made in a Chinese factory that sells them with the little logo on the face for $30-$40.

[@ahmadahmal2942]

Indeed! Most product are made in China by OEM unbranded, companies buy them in large numbers ads a brand name to it and ask 10x the price.

[@LloydsofRochester]

​@@ahmadahmal2942 I have a great idea, why don't YOU become an inventor and patent holder and try to make a living selling YOUR idea and product?

[@krislarsen6546]

Exactly just because it has a patented logo on it doesn't mean it's actually legitimate. You'd have to actually look up the actual patents yourself in order to find out if it is

[@jailbird1133]

That's not ripping anyone off

[@ubermenschen3636]

@1:43, I’ll buy the Temu straight edge for $40 rather than pay $150.00 for the Woodpecker. The tolerance is well within the range for even the most demanding woodwork. Remember, when you cut a piece of wood you are introducing a slight error , a deviation from the measurement.

[@jailbird1133]

Woodpecker will last longer and stay in good shape for decades. The other one will not.

[@dimecard3250]

One error in the video is the Temu handjig is $20.48. It’s actually the saw refills that are $6.48. Temu is deceptive, you need to actually click on the product picture. In your video, it is not clicked so it defaults to the saw refill lower price $6.48. Totally get how this happened though. Temu does this on purpose.

[@philipbohi983]

Yep - drives me bonkers when looking on ebay or amazon too…they do it with anything! Example: a flexfit style ballcap for 2.88, but when you click the item, all the actual ballcaps are 8.50 and one item, a weird beanie is 2.88. It’s NOTHING like the other items.

[@SpatialGuy77]

Good advice, cheers. 👍

[@leglessinoz]

Nothing on their site is the price you think it is.

[@tallboyyyy]

Wish is the same way with pricing. You have to really look at the item and when you go to buy it make sure that the item pictured is actually what you are buying. Quite often there are multiple feature levels and the advertised price is for the most basic level which isn't the item pictured.

[@TheCrazyMoparDude68]

Pretty much what all of these import sellers do.

[@ChadHadsell]

I think the difference in sound between the Makita and the knockoff is air movement. It sounds like the Makita has a powerful fan blowing over the motor, while the temp has much less air movement. Which would explain why the temu one heated up so quickly, as well.

[@flyingsodwai1382]

3:20 Nah dude, that's the same exact mold. What often happens is the factory just uses cheaper raw materials in the same machinery and dies they made for the original company.

[@mercdragons]

The problem is you went into this challenge with a bias. If you were on the poorer side and wanted a hobby on the cheap would you buy these items? Every item you touched you already had an opinion on before you tried it.

[@chasingsunsets380]

I do not agree. Okaybe I am bias from being in construction for 40 years. But in that time I learned cheap tools are dangerous because they fail. And fail when it can hurt you. So I prefer the well engineered tools for my safety

[@Kackspack0815]

@@chasingsunsets380 No problem, you can shell out $169.00 for a coping saw all day long.

[@Winzilla-qx9ue]

@@chasingsunsets380 how does a ruler hurt you?

[@Winzilla-qx9ue]

Came to say this. The first item seemed very reasonable and had most of the same features. Same material build and was square. Not sure why he ranked it so low.

[@oppgard]

@@Winzilla-qx9ue he ranked it low because it was only in metric.

[@oink-oink8721]

It doesn't matter whether it's a rip off or not, the main thing is that it's cheaper than the original and it does what it's supposed to do. I don't know why temu is so bad-mouthed everywhere, it sells things for the small wallet that have senseless prices elsewhere. I'd rather buy something for $5 that wobbles a bit than the same product for three times the price. Then I just put something under it and it stopped wobbling. I have been buying from Temu for the last few years and I will be buying there for the next few years too. Why ? Simple answer: The price makes the difference.

[@roderickcortez138]

Exactly! I bought a bicycle light for $15 on temu. It doesn't look as nice as the name brand bicycle light. But who cares? It performs just as well as the name brand AND the name brand light was $150! I saved $135. So yeah I'm happy with a $15 light that isn't as pretty as the brand name. It's been going strong for a year now.

[@haroldk724]

BECAUSE TEMU IS A HUGE RIP OFF ......... There are 100's of channels that will tell you the same thing

[@oink-oink8721]

@@haroldk724 There are hundreds of channels that also tell you that Adolf Hitler is still alive. NOT TRUE EITHER.

[@TheTomrader]

You are giving your economy to China with that frame of mind.

[@simduino]

@@haroldk724 Same thing they said of AliExpress 15 years ago, it's still here though. It's easier to criticize on cheap products than on brand products, it'll get you more views and likes and YT doesn't like channels going against brand products for outrages prices. Most of these 100's channels go for views not for objective reviews. Also, brand names may go after you if you say something bad about them while the chinese don't give a damn about that because they aren't spending thousands on advertising and name pushing.

[@briangoetz7591]

The pocket hole jig looks to be "inspired by" the Massca M1, which is about $100-120, depending on what accessories you get. The Massca is a solid piece of engineering.

[@steelsunpi]

Or even the Harbor Freight one

[@Ricochet845]

Massca ftw, I got one of their model 2 jigs, the thing is SOLID!

[@Erik_The_Viking]

Massca's jig is rock solid, and I got it at a cheaper price than Kreg which is all plastic vs. aluminum.

[@Ricochet845]

@@Erik_The_Viking agreed. Massca FTW.

[@jamesjames_07]

Or the trend jig

[@adrianscarlett]

3:23 its common for chinesium products to use original discarded molds that have been worn or damaged to make cheaper products. You occasionally even see tool marks where the original branding has been removed.

[@elmono3939]

Very true... Also,, manufacturers want to maximize their molds so they keep them running 24/7, then sell this "extra" product to other companies, who then sell under different brand name, in different territories. Very common practice

[@miskatonic6210]

You think they use discarded molds 😂 they just use the new original molds any time they want. Who would stop them?

[@tihzho]

@@miskatonic6210 You are 100% correct. I worked in China for about 10 years in manufacturing. It's like this, XYZ company orders 100,000 units so the factory makes 120,000 units of which say 1000 are for QA replacements. The rest are sold by the factory usually without the branding, but then who would stop them?

[@carlzobel513]

Most of the time. The brand companies use Chinese manufacturers to produce their products less expensive. Since there is not way to enforce patent laws over seas. Hard to stop them other then not purchasing. But, we all want to save money?

[@tihzho]

@@carlzobel513 A lot of money is saved

[@banditolobster]

Now that you have all of these knockoffs, I would be interested in seeing you make a project using them compared to the "real" or name brand products to see how they compare.

[@Smaxx]

I have the suspicion as with many hobby things it will work either way, if you're experienced enough and know what you're doing, but I wouldn't be surprised if the knockoffs have a way higher chance of something breaking or causing harm simply due to wrong or unsafe usage.

[@salmaabdullahgb]

@@pietjepuk9575 we can't pretend there's no quality difference

[@udance4ever]

​@@Smaxx I’m not a workworker and can imagine when safety is at stake, this is pretty critical! the closest parallel I can draw with the kind of products I put to the test are companies who embed cheap batteries - I would prefer that they just left it to the consumer to choose the fire risk level they wish to operate at but that eliminates the turnkey, disposable nature of such products!

[@arnoterhorst]

@pietjepuk9575 this is not about brand, this is pure theft. Companies who spent huge amounts of money trying to invent and design something, testing, making it better in many iterations before releasing it. Then some stupid Chinese companies steals everything, but mostly makes it dangerous, explosion risk, toxic plastics that often may cause cancer. And the companies who actually made the product and put in a lot of money doing so, just see people just buy the cheap crap.

[@aaronmicalowe]

I suspect that if you have enough experience, you could make it work, but it's more likely that people buy these cheap knock offs when they're starting out, don't have much cash, and don't have much experience. So it's more likely to backfire for them. But I guess if you were careful you could do a few projects and save the money to get better tools.

[@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP]

About 30 years ago, I worked in a local factory. At the end of the assembly line, there were rolls of different brand labels, that were applied to the *SAME* product, all at different prices. Also, there is no "Patent Office" in China, Taiwan, Viet Nam, Malaysia, etc. so you will see blatant copying on most products, some with only slight changes, between factories, just out of courtesy. Other times- engineers in the U.S. will sell a design overseas, and the product will immediately be copied by 10 different companies. Electronics are a prime example of this. Buy 5 cheap $12 USD dashcams, take them apart. They'll be all the same inside & out; the graphics & menu will be slightly different, but it's the same device. Nowadays, with many common products- you're only paying for a name. Great Value (Walmart) corn flakes are merely Kellogg's 2nds. There is no corn flake factory in Bentonville, AZ. Products made the wrong color, texture, or consistency for a "name brand" are fine for a knockoff. (American) companies sell huge lots of products on "wholesale" markets, not open to the public. The buyer merely slaps on their own labels & packaging.

[@SuperFredAZ]

"silicon" (rhymes with gone) is a brittle metal used in making chips (computer style), silicone (rhymes with hone) is a rubbery material

[@StumpyTales]

Silicone is man-made from silicon, which is an element (Si on the periodic table) as I understand it. No idea where silica fits into the scheme of things though :)

[@sigterm15]

metal? uhhhh.

[@Microjig]

To be honest, the GRR-RIPPER Patents have expired. But, I will point out that we support our products. When you cut into a GRR-RIPPER leg, you can buy a new one. If you have questions on how to use your GRR-RIPPER, we answer the phones here in Florida.

[@MakeSomething]

I love my GRR-RIPPERs. I use them in almost every project and I don't see that changing any time soon.

[@KuptisOriginal]

Well, yeah, many things if you ruin like by cutting into them you can buy again. Did you actually mean y'all will replace it for free (minus shipping costs of course)?

[@Microjig]

@@KuptisOriginal Warranties do not cover operator error, but replacing any of the legs on the GRR-RIPPER cost less than $20.

[@davidhouchin2353]

I still support microjig

[@eh6971]

@@Microjig Do you deliver world wide?

[@PikkaBird]

About the Temu vs. Rockler glue kit: When you do injection molding the molds have a certain number of uses before they are no longer guaranteed to be on spec with the tolerances or surface finish. Sometimes these overdue molds are used beyond their approved lifespan and the resulting products are dumped into a "discard" pile, which someone will sometimes sell off as a no-name copy. This is probably not the case here because an important difference is the debossed Rockler logo. This COULD be because pre-production molds don't necessarily have these details added until the prototyping is well and truly over with. The surfaces aren't polished to the same degree either. Such pre-production molds are also sometimes used for knockoff products after hours. I would hazard a guess that this is what happened here.

[@itarry4]

Yhea he said it definitely wasn't from the same factory. Could easily be just cheaper plastics and less quality control etc. I mean Chinese factories do this all the time it's a chance you take when you use one to save money as they don't care about American or any other countries patent.

[@MrPenNinja]

I have that glue kit from Temu just because I was curious. The glue comes off fine even if the surface finish isn't as nice. Maybe it comes off easier on the Rockler but the Temu one is perfectly fine. Have done a few glue ups already with it and seems to be holding up l

[@whisky1975]

​@MrPenNinja thanks for this. I was gonna ask about the glue coming off

[@SilverShadow2LWB]

@@itarry4 But that statement has absolutely no proof or testing. He does absolutely no checking on his statements or legal check into the patents. He seems a little woosy about the turboplane. His subjective impression has absolutely no merits that it is dangerous. Try growing a pair, or increase your hormone dosage.

[@1steelcobra]

@@SilverShadow2LWB Safety when it comes to angle grinder tools is no joke. Your hands are right by that blade, so if there's a chance the tool can do something unexpected, it'll do it very fast and very violently, like what happened to Stumpy Nubs with that chainsaw disc.

[@nperson]

I've made several woodworking related purchases from Temu. Overall, I've been very pleased with the quality. One item was a small drill I thought would be useful for drilling inside holes for scroll sawing. The drill chuck was poor and the motor was weak. I did a return through Temu and it took less than a minute for a refund and I didn't have to send the drill back. Impressive customer service..

[@ocelote1336]

This is the info I want to know. Customer service is very important to me.

[@Paulo-py4mm]

You have to think how a retailer can operate in a temu setting? You keep the drill, the seller keeps no money. they loose everything, you gain a useless drill. Sellers wont stick around for long UNLESS their quality is so poor that they can eat 50%+ returns. ie a markup of 2x or more is necessary for a seller to make money. only crappy junk products have a 100% markup or more. Quality costs money...

[@cleantageorges7809]

I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH TEMU, ONLY THINK THAT I HAVE; EVERY TIME I BOUGHT WATCHES I CAN'T OPEN THEM!!

[@darkhorseinamerica1935]

Obviously, this is a fake review. Anyone associated with Temu will post a fake positive review. Nothing sold by Temu is of quality, NOTHING!

[@nperson]

@@darkhorseinamerica1935 Why do you say it is fake? I’ve made about six purchases from Temu and all but one item I have been pleased with the quality. Many items on Temu are the same exact items sold on Amazon for a much higher price.

[@atanasdimitrov8496]

You call them "ripoffs", but they actually came out of the same mold as the "original". The companies and corporations deserved that. They send the production over to China for the low production cost and then they sell the product for a price like it's made domestically. I will buy so called "ripoff" for a fraction of the price of the so called "original" any day of the week.

[@ryanc5572]

I'm a graphic artist and the amount of fake ads on Temu is crazy. Hue switched clothed, models' heads photoshopped onto different bodies, images even stolen (Vanquish Fitness especially), to name a few. It's insane.

[@doctorbuga4302]

Good for you for keeping your stick on the ice. Wish more people were as intelligent.

[@Morboeatspeople]

I've seen ads where it's one person's face on another person's head, a different person's body with someone else's arm attached to it and yet another person's hand at the end. I saw one ad that had body parts from three different ethnic groups all stitched together. Crazy to think that was all before AI blew up.

[@daveturnbull7221]

The heat generated by that router is going to cause those plastic clamping parts to fail even sooner.

[@mechanoid5739]

If it gets hot that quick, I think it will burn out before the plastic breaks!

[@testbenchdude]

I've had a palm router from HF for maybe 5-6 years, and it looks nearly identical to the TEMU one. The plastic depth lock thingy is still intact, surprisingly, but it never has inspired much confidence. I think it was around $50, but it has worked just fine for my first forays into woodworking. I will replace it with a more quality tool at some point, but I've for sure gotten my money's worth out of it.

[@devilblueduke]

Same but my plastic depth broke so I use a tiny clamp. I had it for about 20 years but I don’t use it much. Mine at that time was on sale for $20

[@speedstrn]

It would be interesting to do a video on Temu vs Harbor Freight. They have a pocket hole jig that looks similar to that one, and HF is the same price as Temu (actually $10 cheaper on sale right now). Their coping saw is $6.

[@dougle03]

Where do you think Harbor Freight get most of its stock from? That's right, the same sources as Temu. Adding a brand name is pennies when you are ordering multiples...

[@rogerpratchet]

This palm router is actually a thing for those who build their DIY CNC router. You just mount it in carriage and go slow and low, for a cheap price they ask it's actually fits good in cheap DIY cnc's project that people build on their holidays.

[@jonallen5280]

I’ve upgraded, but when I bought my first trim router, it was a cheapo from Harbor Freight. Chicago Electric, I think? Had a plastic housing, plastic base, and the locking screw just like the Temu one. Wasn’t great, but it got the job done for a long time and the plastic and knobs never wore out.

[@Bluuri-Aeros]

Me too, same router! Bought 4 years ago, and while I don't use it daily, or even weekly, it's always worked when I needed it, and performed exactly as I intended. In fact, I'm thinking of buying a 2nd as I've built and attached my HF trim router to a dedicated router table, which has been incredibly helpful.

[@zedwpd]

"The Microjig is not much of a price difference." From $64 to $41.98 is a 22.86% difference and is still pretty good.

[@cormchm2853]

22.86% difference? I think you need to revisit your mathematics here. It is actually a 34.375 % reduction in price, or, it is also true to say that the Temu price is about two thirds that of the original product (65.625% of the original price, to be exact), based on 64 dollars versus 42 dollars.

[@Benmeglei1]

I’d love to see Rockler try and go after the CCP. I’d watch that if it was a documentary.

[@matthysloedolff]

I had very similar thoughts!

[@j.t.buckley52]

Most likely Rockler buys them from the same factory with different molds

[@caintiger]

Yeah great video but if Rolex and Breitling can’t do anything then unfortunately Rockler is out of luck😮

[@leglessinoz]

Good luck with that.

[@shaolinmaster8583]

Copyright laws don't apply in China

[@paulhopkins1905]

I bought a track saw square on Temu that is outstanding. I also picked up some aluminum miter slot bars to make table saw jigs instead of using wood. Both products are really good.

[@doctorbuga4302]

How do you define "excellence" for a square?

[@buzzard720]

If enough folk buy the rip offs, hopefully the brand companies will learn not to gouge their customers... hopefully.

[@Robbie-mw5uu]

brb buying temu house kits hoping real estate investors stop gauging housing

[@MrMomo2022]

I purchased all kinds of what-nots from Temu, you know those cutsie but unnecessary things almost once a month, never had a bad experience. Their return policy is excellet.

[@alastairgreen6783]

@vladverenich4283 losing

[@daveyjones5702]

@vladverenich4283 i'm pretty sure there is an effort by amazon itself to thrash temu with paid shills. this guy could very well be one of those.

[@doctorbuga4302]

@vladverenich4283 Nice conspiracy theory, bro.

[@hodor]

errr, those non-touch voltage detectors, you are ready to pay to price of a false negative?

[@daveyjones5702]

@@hodor are you ready to pay that same price after relying on the false security of a fluke meter? failing to detect something is always a risk, and electricians use the method to find power lines, not to avoid them.

[@rickcimino743]

I am loving these videos. You are doing us all a great service...buying the tools we see advertised and testing them so we don't have to. Thank you. Great stuff.

[@Dano420]

maybe the jig holes were drilled by a metric bit and you were using a standard drill bit to demonstrate the jig. thats why it was tight. metric 13mm is a little smaller than 1/2 inch. As for the router. using two wrenches only takes an extra second which i prefer as the lock button will wear out eventually. Love these videos

[@trevoryawirkiadamson1810]

My Ryobi lock button has already lasted several years using it every other day and (touch wood) shows zero inclination towards failure. "Using two wrenches only takes an extra second" rolls off the tongue easily but in ongoing use I would far prefer the lock button's simpler usability, as well as the better quality retaining mechanism. Cry once!

[@WildWoodsAustralia]

Great video! As someone who can’t afford to the get the most pricey tools this is quite handy. As an ex power tool repairman the router is a ripoff but of the makita cheaper range “maktec”.

[@phrunt]

Funny how competitors hate competition, and will pay for videos to try and debunk the cheaper options to retain their high cost model. Good luck!

[@TomD1999]

I've bought a number of things on Temu and they work and that's fine for light duty and occasional tasks. But if it has to work and work and work, I spend the bucks. When I bought a couple of battery impact drivers that, between them, had to drive most of a million #10x3'' deck screws, I did not get the Harbor Freight tools, they were Makita. And after that job, they're still in use now.

[@TheducksOrg]

In Australia, the Microjig ripper is AUD$129.. and I got the Temu version for $49.

[@animefan73]

Grizzly offers a modest palm-style router that comes with both a fixed base and a plunge base for $87, currently on sale for $78. (they call it a "laminate trim router") I've had mine for a few years, and I've been thoroughly impressed with it. Only issue to come to mind is that the speed control dial has become a little loose, so it may change speed slightly with a lot of vibration in the cut.

[@ctcummings21]

Great video and series like this. I wonder if the next one where you will rank the buys, if you rank them before you open just seeing the listing, and then rerank after and see if there is a difference. Keep up the great content!

[@mattrinne]

Good suggestion! Nice twist on the same content.

[@bigredracingdog466]

4:33 The patent on the Grr-Ripper expired a while back and there are a number of outfits like Milescraft who are making very similar devices. That said, TEMU could've at least changed the colors to be less blatant.

[@prabhakarrao4922]

I’ve bought 163 items off Temu (auto tools, clothing, kids toys fitness gadgets) very very happy with all bar 2 minor issues with kids clothing.

[@RichardMartin]

I bought some generic spring clamps from Temu and to be fair they’re fairly decent. Maybe not as good as a high end make, but certainly equal to the cheap diy tools sold in Aldi and Lidl.

[@annwithaplan9766]

I've bought a lot of stuff that I needed from them and most everything was good. Some things weren't as good quality, but many things were the same that I would find on amazon or even Walmart.

[@JohnHuxleySavage]

For cheaper consumable and disposable parts I find their stuff is fine (zip ties, electrical shrink tubing, sandpaper, double-sided tape, etc.). Not sure I would trust any large tools from them, but I did get a stainless steel potato peeler that is very sharp and works great for like $1.

[@robandsharonseddon-smith5216]

You are doing really well keeping these fun. Loved this one. Don't let it get stale!

[@davidhawthorne9637]

Nice video and the 1st I;ve seen from you as I'm a mechanic/fabricator not a wood worker. However I do have a few things to add and I've said this to a few people. If your just starting out in your field your usually better off buying name brand used tools and equipment from a pawn shop and use them until they wear out then buy new. Doing that lets you experience different brands with different features and find what you like best without spending a ton. Also think about how often you will use a tool. If it's something you won't use often the cheaper tool or used tool might last you a long time. Something that you will use daily or even weekly and depend on your better off buying a new name brand tool with a warranty.

[@volentimeh]

True, bought a name brand circular saw (Makita) from a pawn shop over 20 years ago, used it enough to go through a pair of brushes and a few blades, still going strong.

[@extec101]

@@volentimeh pown shops or second hand is a good way to go to get the brand name tools for cheap.

[@stereoadvisor791]

Over the past four months, I’ve been purchasing items from Temu. I’ve placed numerous orders and am extremely satisfied with my purchases. However, there’s a caveat: pay attention to the ordering process and product descriptions. If you do, you’ll find that despite the incredibly low price (like that $1.98 inspection camera), the product might have limited resolution, but it will still serve its purpose.

[@artist7998]

I get stuff from Temu all the time, some of it is good some of it is crap but then the cost difference is huge over other products.

[@putheflamesoutyahoo1503]

NO junk is cheap, it is rip off junk toxic dangerous

[@tom314]

Interesting products. It's amazing how close some of the products get for such a small amount of money. FYI: Silicon - An element with a metallic luster, it's what computer chips are made from Silicone - It's a polymer made from siloxane, the rubbery stuff you seal your bath with. Silica - SiO2, think sand. (Yes I realise I'm simplifying the real life examples)

[@tonyando5942]

You need to get a grip pal

[@davidlove1887]

The Katsu routers from Amazon are £39 and are identical to the Makita ones. I'm lazy and hate changing bits. So I have 2 makitas and 3 Katsus. They're great.

[@Dickie2702]

Been using Katsu Routers for 10 years. I have three of them, two corded and one cordless they are excellent quality pieces of kit. You will not be buying junk with this router. I have the plunge base as well and it's a tool I love.

[@That_80s_Dad]

@makesomething that pocket hole jig is a direct ripoff of a great quality all aluminum pocket hole jig by @Massca

[@sapelesteve]

As usual, terrific tool comparison video David! The take away for me is that "you get what you pay for" & "buyer beware"! 🤔🤔

[@doctorbuga4302]

Exactly.

[@PJRayment]

I have a red Maktec trim router (Maktec being a cheaper Makita brand) that has that same plastic sleeve depth adjustment. The TEMU copy may be a copy of that Maktec router rather than the one you were showing. The plastic sleeve is still going well after many years. What has failed (twice) however, is the metal screw to tighten it! The scale on the side is quite useful, as a guide to how much you need to adjust the depth by (not as an absolute measurement, but a relative one).

[@alkalinedale]

Me: I’m going to buy this! David: immediately guilts me into not doing that

[@woodworkingandepoxy643]

I dunno. I'd rather buy a couple of those than the name brand stuff considering the name brand stuff is robbing people blind. $150+ for a t square? Yeah 😂 absolutely not buying that

[@greerbriggs8421]

​@@woodworkingandepoxy643 yea, not a lot of engineering and R&D can go into a square, mostly just the cost of accurate machining or in this case, even just milling an extrusion. even with the holes at certain measures for marking for ripping, that's been a thing for a loooooong time, even on the back of an old handsaw I got from a farm sale but I hope to never have to rip with a handsaw

[@5ElementsWoodworking]

The TEMU ad that always gets me are the storage bins. They are so freaking expensive at the big box store. Then I click on the ad, it takes me to the page, then I'm sad because the bins are tiny and not that much cheaper. Thanks for another great video! You should make a prediction on what rank the things will be before you unbox, and see how close you get.

[@mariondorsett]

I've been waiting for a video like this :D The pocket hole jig looks like a direct rip off from Masca Products. The palm router looks very similar to the Harbor Freight router I bought on sale for $20.

[@ORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR13]

Why?

[@peggyfillmore1971]

Thank you for explaining what each one does..I know nothing about woodworking but I enjoy reviews and randomly saw this vid. Very educational. 😁

[@AnnRicci]

Temu ripped off my niece's puzzle design. She designs puzzles for a company out of New Hampshire and she was surfing on TEMU and saw her "exact' puzzle. There are actually a lot of independent designers that are getting ripped off ...

[@vfxsoup]

This is a great video, thanks! I couldn’t help but feel that the TEMU products are more an indication of what the authentic products actually cost to manufacture and we just pay the inflated price… I agree that they have the R&D costs, and also the quality is far greater in the authentic products… but likely most of these are being made during the night shift in the same factory in China and just shipped to a different buyer. Ultimately the authentic tools are the way to go if you can afford them… but there are good deals out there if you can do some research… just don’t reward the obvious rip off merchants!

[@KnewConcepts]

Sorry, no. Not even close. Knew Concepts products are all made 100% in the US. He actually has a pair of fret saws, not coping saws, but just the raw unfinished laser cut frame of the saw that's being ripped off costs us more than the TEMU is selling for. Nevermind the rest of the parts, which we machine ourselves right here in California. I have a couple of these knockoffs for evaluation purposes. They're a direct copy of a several year old design, done poorly, in the wrong material. (The frame is a much cheaper aluminum alloy, which means it can't hold tension the way the real ones can.) We have a reputation for standing behind our gear. If you have questions, you know where to find us. Does anybody even know who's really making these things?

[@TheCrazyMoparDude68]

@@KnewConceptsI would say that it is one of number of companies in China that do nothing but make knock off items to sell around the world. But the OP is correct about some companies having their products produced in China, Hong Kong, or where ever using better materials, while the same product is also being made with inferior materials to be sold “outside” the US.

[@richardbenson4750]

That pocket hole jig looks a lot like the old school kreg K4 and I think you have the K5.

[@andydudas2376]

There is a large and seemingly ever growing percentage of people who don’t care/understand the implications of buying knockoffs. It’s cheap and that’s all that matters to a lot of people. This applies to products, music, likenesses and so much more. While I understand being strapped for cash and having a need to fill, and while that’s a truly valid real world concern, at the end of the equation, when boiled down to its simplest form, from the top down: it’s theft.

[@zpalladino]

You are free to spend $170 on a piece of red bent aluminum with a wood handle and thin saw blade while it costs probably $10 to make if it helps you sleep at night. These products are all made in the same factories, the diff is some companies purchase the rights so they can charge you (the consumer) 5x the cost for no reason.

[@mctrevors7852]

Until you discover that the Temu supplier is the same supplier to your "genuine supplier"

[@Alphasig336]

Same way Amazon gets around it. They get cease and desist letter. They change company name the next day. At some point Amazon and Walmart should be liable for their market place.

[@Alphasig336]

That’s how old Kreg operated too

[@pc3822]

I have one of those knock-off palm routers like the one you showed. I can confirm the plastic sleeve has caused me problems more than once. The screw/nut system stopped tightening properly after a while, so I used a different bolt/nut system. I got it for a one-off project I was working with my son and it did the job for the price I paid. I probably would consider buying the actual brand name if I had to buy again, simply because of the extra quality and speed control. Particularly, the depth adjustment would be a nice thing to have versus the almost non-existent one on the knock-off product. I bought my knock-off from Amazon, not Temu. But still looks just like the one you have in your video. Thank you for doing this video. It was informative and fun to watch.

[@Arckivio]

That palm router is a direct rip off of a Makita palm router, he just doesn't have that model. I know Makita definitely do a palm router with a plastic base for the adjustment, I know because I was constantly gluing it back together after it cracked!!!!

[@carlzobel513]

And you purchased the knock off why? Cause ot was such a good price! And you were only gonna use it as a one off. But still have it! So in theory. It was a great puchase?

[@pc3822]

Yep! I still use it sometimes on projects.@@carlzobel513

[@PearlJam2k6]

That angle grinder disk looked dangerous the moment you took it out of the package. I genuinely expected it to fly apart and nail-bomb half your workshop and brother.

[@KnewConcepts]

Thanks for doing this. TEMU had sort of flown under my radar until recently. To clear up any confusion, Knew Concepts products are all 100% made in the US. So the saw you had is a total knockoff. Worse, it's a knockoff of a several year old design, done poorly, in the wrong material. I picked up a couple for testing. The frame's a much cheaper aluminum alloy, so it won't hold tension the way the real ones will. And there is a technical flaw in the lever that means theirs will wear very badly, very quickly. I can't say what the issue is, because I don't want to let them know what tricks they missed, but you're correct about the R&D: I designed them the first time, I know what they need, even if it isn't obvious. Somebody coming along later just copying blindly doesn't. Which means theirs won't last nearly as long as the real thing. Also, just for accuracy's sake, both of the saws you have are fret saws. Our coping saw is a little bigger, and takes pinned blades. So the $169 price comparison wasn't totally correct. Our fret saw in that size (5") with the swivels is only $115. We also make a newer, heavy duty version that's even stronger, and the copycats haven't yet managed to counterfeit. We stand behind our gear. If you have questions or problems, you know where to find us. Does anybody even know who really makes these fakes?

[@MakeSomething]

Thank you for weighing in. ❤️

[@gerald4384]

I'm in Import/Export logistics biz. Usually, those items (everything) is made in Asia. American companies send ALL their plans/blue prints to China/India for productions. Smaller companies may produce in the U.S. but they cannot compete with lower prices from China/India. Some Items may be different, but work just as well for less. We in America are greedy. Now looks what is happening.

[@orcasea59]

The palm router looks exactly like the HF trim router but a different colour. The non-variable speed motor worked fine, but when clamped down the base is NOT exactly perpendicular to the collet, but it's finding for having a second router for lightweight 1/4" trimming.

[@Wordsnwood]

The turbo plane thing looked terrifying.

[@philipbohi983]

It “removes material fast”…by material they mean wood, fingers, your workbench…😂

[@jimmydiresta]

Until now I had no idea what temu was 😂😂 I get 3 emails a day from them !! Great review

[@daveworthing]

Only THREE emails a day?? I get at least TEN every day!!😆

[@jetenginethrust863]

I didn't either🤪

[@arnoterhorst]

Chances are very high that you will now also get a lot of Temu rip off ads on KZbin

[@annwithaplan9766]

I've been ordering stuff from them for a while now. I read and watch reviews before buying what I want. They use all kinds of vendors, just like amazon does, so some things are cheap and other things are not.

[@llollercoaster]

Shouldn't shop from CCP companies, they use the profits to fund genocide.

[@matthysloedolff]

These videos are the best! I was super excited when I saw you have a new video out, David. I see Temu ads everywhere and keep wondering how they make a profit when they sell things for so cheap while spending so much money on marketing. The fact that they copy patented items pretty much exactly makes me feel very uncomfortable and I don't think I'll be supporting them.

[@billl.8499]

Until now, Temu is still losing money. It is just replicating the miracle it once performed in China. It comes from the same company as the Chinese version of Temu, which is called PINGDUODUO, which means "group buy more, save more". This company had a loss of 10.2 billion rmb in 2018 but a profit of over 31.5 billion in 2022. It relies on subsidies and low prices to attract users to keep buying back.

[@jackplace4912]

Expensive tools do not a woodworker make. BTW, the word patent on a product, does not mean it actually is.allota engineering goes into a 6000 year old T square design.

[@thegrumpyoldman2019]

The work around for the Patents is the fact that they only control things sold "in the USA", when you order from Temu you are making a transaction with a company outside of the US control.

[@edwardwilliams9923]

But all are made off shore so doesn't make much difference.

[@riba2233]

Nice video! Btw there is an even better pocket hole jig from enjoywood (yes I know), around the same price. They all have much better build than kreg that are made out of plastic. And yeah I would never risk my life with that cheap router lol

[@adamcallaway3762]

Yeah enjoy wood have been around for quite awhile not as long as drillpro or anything but they are coming out with some really nice stuff lately

[@thanatos66613]

Dave, these videos are so enjoyable. I look forward to them almost as much as your builds. Thanks for always providing great content.

[@adamcallaway3762]

The microjig gripper is off patent isn’t it? you can get them from heaps of company’s now miles craft makes one for example, also really don’t know how there is a patent in the us on the silicon tray they’ve been around forever and they didn’t invent the silicon so what is actually patented just curious. Look for most I agree with you but for the rest of the world and especially for new people getting into woodworking the rise of the china market is great because it makes our hobby more accessible and also keeps suppliers honest. Great vid as always. Also don’t be fooled incra copied a few gwanui and wnew tools a little while ago

[@Dickie2702]

And the reality is their are some great companies and products coming from China. Take a look at the China Tools series done by Denis on his channel Hooked on Wood. I have a ton of Chinese tools in my commercial workshop and they are great value.

[@judyjohnson630]

On that jig rig, you're getting pinched by the handle because you're using the it in a reverse method. Tension goes the other way. Reroute the nut(x2) and bolt threading and positional inference, and then the power coefficient flips, so the handle closes away from the pinch point.

[@davidknowler4719]

Davids top tip ! I bought a similar cheap palm router to the temu offering off e bay and I was worried also re. the possibility of the plastic clamp giving out , so I wrapped one layer of duct tape around the body where it grips and then you dont have to tighten it nearly as much to prevent it slipping . I paid 22 gb pounds delivered. If you dont use them every day they are fine, well mine is .

[@MakeSomething]

That's a pretty darn good tip!

[@michaelreeves8164]

I have bought a number of items from Temu and have had no problems. I guess I've been lucky or bought things that were not too cheap. Their tracking and delivery are better than in some cases than Amazon. I am still waiting for delivery of an order from Amazon which has twice been extended. All in all I hve been happy with Temu.

[@hodor]

errr, those non-touch voltage detectors, you are ready to pay to price of a false negative?

[@ttonin33]

@@hodor Doesnt matter where your buy them, there always not thrusworthy. And Amazon does also have the same Crap.

[@hodor]

@@ttonin33 I guess my point is there are different levels of craps, some are just hard to use or take more effort,... total useless. my old gadget is a Klein Tool (at least a see their brand in Homedepot), super useful, super old. Brought a cheap one on Temu for my brother; False negative right at the start. My brother brought a different one almost at the same time; also false negative. I don't know how to explain the line, but some stuff are not worth it, no matter the discount.

[@brIceni-x4w]

All my life 'rip off' has meant, being overcharged. Not sure Temu is guilty of that.

[@STiHigh1]

Can also mean receiving something that is significantly different in form or function to what you thought you were buying, either through deceptive advertising or inferior product specification.

[@Dianne615]

I live on a meager budget, which I sure doesn't come close to yours. I shop on TEMU because I can't afford some things; so far things I've ordered on TEMU, have been good enough for me.

[@rodafowa1279]

@@Dianne615 Is it you actually being on a meager budget, or you just don’t spend your money wisely? I have this conversation with a co-worker all the time. He’s always broke. His income tax money is literally spent already, 6 months in advance. Despite all that, he thinks he has money issues because he’s “underpaid.”

[@DjJay]

Now I know woodworking hobbyists are being ripped off big time $65 for a fancy piece of plastic you have to fiddle around to push your wood through the saw. Will never see that in a professional shop. $31 dollars for wood plugs! $170!!!!! For a saw!!!!! Poor schmucks.

[@womackswoodcarvings6246]

I use the turbo plane and the blue temu one all the time tje blue temu one works great.. have used it for years.

[@Stefan_Van_pellicom]

Apart from the Makita knock-off, I’d go for all the Chinese made variants. The other onos are not worth the price difference …

[@doctorbuga4302]

Depends how often you use it. I'd be nervous if I hired a contractor to redo my basement and all his equipment was from TEMU.

[@Stefan_Van_pellicom]

@@doctorbuga4302 Agree. 😀

[@davidjones8070]

This is similar when my wife says she’s going to buy something from wayfair….I get a little sick to my stomach. At least when you buy something from a garage sale you know your buying someone else’s junk.

[@10OZDuster]

without Temu we wouldn't afford these things...so the real "RIP OFF" is the outrageous prices thre real ones are !! just my opinion...plus the fact that we have outsourced almost anything to china long time ago and continue to do so. China is capable of producing quality goods but majority of customers are just too cheap and would pay dirt prices so you get what you pay for don't complain be thankful china is giving you a choice than paying high prices. classic example is the router you shown for a homeowner who would need a router the cheap one would be perfect for a true craftsman professional buy the Makita/brand name one...well again thanks to china we have a choice.....BIG THANK YOU !!! love Temu for giving us the choice.

[@reyinfante5553]

I always read first the description before buying at Temu - so I know what I am buying. Works for me.

[@Cybersawz]

They don't offer much of a description, if any, on their items. So, I don't know what you're talking about.

[@gimcrack555]

@@Cybersawz size and dimensions you have to pay attention to that for sure. In the reviews I always see them saying it's smaller than expected. But the size and the dimensions are on the website. Pay attention to those details for sure. Somethings don't need to much descriptions. Like stickers, salt and pepper shakers, bird feeder, etc. I always read the reviews. Some even has pictures or even videos. I collect all of that knowledge over the product before buying it. No surprises then.

[@randydutton1]

You should get an IR camera attachment to measure the heat of various tools such as the hand router.

[@Meh-qe4rw]

Temu is amazing, I spent so much money but I also felt I have saved a lot especially on tool bits etc. Thanks for the awesome videos!

[@therealunclep]

People who rip off other peoples patents are not amazing. They are crooks. Nuff said.

[@Meh-qe4rw]

I just think it's normal tbh. Threads VS Twitter, Apple VS Samsung etc etc etc.. @@therealunclep

[@jimrosson6702]

Another great video as usual always love your energy and enthusiasm in your videos about everything you do keep up the amazing work.

[@confused5573]

rip-off seems a little harsh unless you are referring to the company in the USA. The price from China is what you should be paying but the company raises the price to sell in the USA.

[@LloydsofRochester]

I'm going to say this again, I have a great idea to solve this. Why don't YOU become an inventor and patent holder, then try to find a manufacturer for it, and then YOU sell it?

[@dougle03]

A patent is only valuable if you are prepared and have enough funding to defend it...

[@mthompson6841]

Since you said the router got hot so quick, a useful follow up would be to run it longer and measure the temp with a temp gun or flir IR camera. Cheap tools are known to burn up quicklyor at least overheat.