I bought the cheapest McLaren in the US! (Pontiac Turbo Grand Prix ASC)

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Ok ok this is totally a click bait title. I admit it! But this is a McLaren! Well, sort of. Let me explain! This is my 1990 Pontiac Turbo Grand Prix, also known as the ASC/McLaren edition.
Look at this thing-it just oozes 1990s radness. It also doesn't stop very well. Join me as we learn about this obscure 90s GM product and what is required to bring it back to its former glory!
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[@kashrajput7424]

Just watched hoovies cheapest McLaren

[@HelloRoad]

So cool that he bought one too. They're super cool, now I just have to get mine working properly :) :)

[@team3383]

You need to keep off the roads with brakes like that. Even if you'd wished the thing wouldn't have stopped if someone or a dog had jumped out in front of you. Just for filming yourself driving on public roads you can be fined !!! Why don't you just buy every car Hoovie does ? Your video and comments is a copy paste of his for this car.

[@HelloRoad]

Thanks for your concern. Not a copy/paste, I bought my car months ago.

[@team3383]

then you are all following the same guide on what to buy and why (or the club - youtube channel etc). You are several to uy the same cars and put them up on youtube. A month before - then his tube is a copy paste of yours - no skin off my nose.

[@dianeadkins-diorio1783]

Hoovie's video of his red McLaren led me to this one of your black one... both cars are awesome!

[@benb.1273]

I love those Grand Prixs! That generation and the one following are some of the best GM cars of their time.

[@HelloRoad]

Totally agree! 😀

[@benb.1273]

Hello Road I'm Saving money I make on the side refurbishing computers for one of these grand prixs, I'm shooting for a 96 gtp but If I spot one of these turbo models for sale I'll definitely buy that instead. Looking forward to seeing what you do with this one man, good luck!

[@HelloRoad]

Nice! A GTP is probably going to be easier to find, but every once in a while a Turbo will pop up! More vids on this car coming soon! :) :)

[@davidgoldsworthy5914]

Ben B. And then there was the third generation, lol! Pontiac-always so quick to jump the shark.

[@halohunter5217]

@@benb.1273 GTP has more power and came with a manual transaxle.

[@DriveNorth]

As the owner of an 87 ASC McLaren Mustang, I welcome you to the club!

[@HelloRoad]

Yeah!! 😀😃😄

[@AnticapAnge]

This was my first car. I miss it so much. My friends called it my spaceship because of all the buttons. This video brought back great memories!

[@WookieDrives]

I love that you were able to find an early W-body with an interior that isn't trashed. Then again you are in Southern California, but dang that era GM wasn't known for their interior build quality.

[@HelloRoad]

I know right? I have a hunch that many original TGP owners took good care of their cars. It was a significant price jump from the base model to the Turbo, and I'd bet most buyers knew the ASC/McLaren connection was something special. Because of that I'd guess a lot of these were garaged.

[@WookieDrives]

Hello Road yeah they were certainly special enough and I'd imagine they had a high enough price tag over a normal GP that I can see that. I just find it awesome seeing an old W-boby that the clear isn't peeling, rust holes in the quarters, dash is breaking apart, buttons work, and seats aren't torn.

[@TysonHugie]

I love the rarity, and I have a special place in my heart for these since my mom had a 1989 Grand Prix coupe 5-speed when I was about 10. I vividly remember that combination lock glove compartment and the rear ash trays. Good memories. Looking forward to seeing what you do with this one! Congrats!

[@TysonHugie]

By the way, story of my life with the early 1990s Acuras too - non-working ABS and discontinued parts :( Can't even get an aftermarket ABS pump.

[@HelloRoad]

The memories are there for me too-my parents rented a '89-ish Grand Prix for a few days-the sheer number of buttons stuck with me! Might be a long road to ditch the entire ABS system but I'm looking forward to making this thing drivable again! 😀

[@halohunter5217]

Ditching the ABS is easy. Rip it out and make brake lines to fill in the gaps.

[@Aspra]

So glad you did a video on it! I really want to see more of it.

[@HelloRoad]

Glad you enjoyed it! More vids on this car will happen, especially if I can figure out how to fix the brakes!

[@EdwardEiting]

Subscriber! You did it before Hoovie. I can see this channel blowing up real soon. Can’t wait to catch up and see more videos.

[@HelloRoad]

Thanks for subscribing! New videos coming soon...

[@rodknoc3122]

Hey man I really like the back ground music and how you filmed and edited the showing of the car keep it up

[@HelloRoad]

Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it. New episodes coming soon.

[@DPK99ATown]

My first car was a 92 Pontiac grand prix gtp that I bought a few days after my 16th birthday. I loved everything about it. It was a great car. Hopefully I can get my hands on one in the future for a little project to bring back the past! This video brought back a lot of great memories and nostalgia!! 🤘

[@michaelpanameno7574]

You just got a subscriber:) excellent content

[@HelloRoad]

Thanks Michael!! Glad you're enjoying the vids. New video coming in a few days.

[@SalemDoyle]

These are awesome. great video. My 97 GTP had more problems than that when i got it, but i have mostly brought it back to life, and hey, loads of video material for my channel... LOL

[@HelloRoad]

Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed the vid! :) Yep a completely reliable car wouldn't give you many stories now would it! :) :)

[@BobsGT235]

I bought a 1990 Turbo Grand Prix brand new in Red back then. Still have the original window sticker. Pretty pricey at $26,500 with the only option I wanted was the leather seats. Great video.

[@whozaskin3639]

Great find! Keeps us posted on the brakes and lack of power...

[@HelloRoad]

Thanks!! For sure, more vids coming soon...

[@TemdriWorld]

I love your shooting and editing skills 👍🏿👍🏿👌🏾

[@HelloRoad]

Thanks so much! :) :) :)

[@theadvocate4698]

So cool to see those old cars! Now that hoovies moving up to lambo's, i'll make sure to check your videos! Not enough site about cool 80 and 90's cars....thanks!

[@beersngearz781]

I had an 89 Pontiac gran prix with the 3.1 it run really well but the paint fell off every time I washed it

[@darleengaddy-payton7333]

What kind of locked is used for the rims and how to get them off without the key

[@optimaprime8970]

Loved these.

[@TheHelado36]

Love these cars !

[@overclockeverything2310]

Those wheels just do it for me. Love the gold basket weave.

[@joeseward9466]

Is that break system just in the turbo edition?

[@maxcitytv352]

That car looks damn good for a 1990 car, always love the body style on it .

[@CanIDriveYourCar]

Came for the car video, but where did you find that 80s retro background music?

[@brandonjohnson5205]

My father had a 96 gtp. I remember these 3.4 v6 engines made a very unique rumble almost like a v8. Always wanted to know what it felt like to drive one of these as I used to own the o7 base grand prix with the 3.8 that put out 200 hp. I wonder if the 90-96 gtp 3.4 engine felt any slower or quicker than the 3.8. I read that the 96 gtp put out around 240 hp.

[@justmy2cents_]

Awww man going back in my time machine! Had an 89' Grand Prix SE red with the same wheels & interior ! I have those exact seats right now for sale if anyone wants them plus the compass & radio/ CD player system! I loved that car!!

[@jiggity76]

I would be interested in the CD player!

[@cbpldc]

Sweet ride! I'd love to see an episode where you repair it, and why not give it a tasty little turbo upgrade for a few more horses and a bit quicker spool up. I look forward to seeing more of this.

[@HelloRoad]

Thanks Chris! Definitely going to at least get the brakes fixed to start. Turbo will be next after that!!

[@juanmasa2700]

The only downfall of GM doing front wheel drive cars with many upcoming problems and much money to spend it would have been a gem if it was Rear wheel drive but many car companies do that in purpose

[@mr.iforgot3062]

I agree their junk. This guy has no clue. He needs a reality check!

[@ButchNackley]

My first car, in 1979 was a 1973 Pontiac Grand Prix SJ 455. Over the years, I'd had at least 13 Grand Prix (along with some GTO's, Firebirds and a get Fiero). I was a Pontiac guy for years. I seriously thought about buying a new 90 TGP as my first new car. I just couldn't take the plastic body clad. Looking back, I should have bought one. They were cool, inside.

[@ghunt81]

I had an '87 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe with the same ABS system, that failed in the same way. Ended up swapping it to standard vacuum-assisted brakes with a booster and master cylinder from a Mustang.

[@Richez1]

I have a feeling you could swap the abs system from a 1994 era car like maybe a 94 cutlass supreme sl i have one and im wondering if that system works in that car

[@HelloRoad]

Definitely. I've been looking at a few 90s GM cars and I think there are a few options. Hope to get this project going in the next few weeks.

[@randyanddaniellesmith5241]

I had a 4 door Grand Prix STE with the dual cam 3.4 n the 5 speed manual trans. Loved it. Cranked out 210 hp stock and would roast the tires if you dumped the clutch. Needless to say it only took about a year before my idiotic 20 yr old self burnt up the clutch. It was pretty funny to see peoples jaws drop seeing that 4 door sedan roasting the front tires all through 1st then chirping 2nd lmao.. With the DIC and HUD systems matched up with everything else it was definetly a cool car for its time. The mechanic at the dealership was shocked as could be when i brought it in to price out the clutch. Said it was the 1st time he had seen a manual in the 4 door sedan. And the clutch according to him was in his words racing quality hense the $1300 estimate. Ahh i wish i would've just went to a local shop but i traded it in on another vehicle instead.. Damn i miss that car... Good times...

[@joesutton3181]

Hoovie is busted.

[@HelloRoad]

We're both busted. These cars are impossible to find parts for :)

[@DriftingMunki]

I’ve seen several of your videos recently. We have similar taste apparently. 😎👉👉 new subscriber gained, keep it up!

[@Plethora.of.Pinatas]

That brake problem was same on my friends. A few times. Also when he had his there was only like 10 in California

[@HelloRoad]

It's a problem with all of them!

[@DeimosPC]

My wife was recently looking through family photos from the 90s.. One of them was a random photo of a parking lot in Tennessee.. There.. in the corner of the picture was the rear of a car.. Squared off with a slight wide body and cool faded taillights. Next photo was a from a different side of the lot with a side view of the same car.. I see that there's door handles on the window pillar.. Hmm.. This things cool. After a quick Google search I figure out it's one of these.. and now I'm fucking drooling over them. I need one in my life. I love everything about the car.

[@gwengoodson9032]

Great video very informative

[@HelloRoad]

Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it :) :)

[@gwengoodson9032]

Hello Road / Ethan Tufts hey u a good dude

[@HelloRoad]

@@gwengoodson9032 😀😃😄

[@boataxe4605]

The plastic body cladding Is a great idea, it covers the area’s that rust first so you don’t see it!

[@HelloRoad]

Haha yep.

[@Samestori214]

I'm a Pontiac fanatic! I love it let me know if you found a way to fix the brakes and I might try to find one for myself.

[@HelloRoad]

Going to try to get the brakes fixed in time for the next Radwood show!

[@JoggerMeister]

Thanks again for all of your work, Ethan! It sounds like we may have similar sentiments in terms of preferred cars over the course of life, to date. I was, and remain, primarily a Japanese car enthusiast, as I've favored reliability over nearly any other consideration through the years. Because of that, especially for cars of the 70's/80's/90's, I pretty much ignored American manufacturers, and thus never knew this Pontiac even existed. I must say, especially in the context of what was available in the early 90's, this is actually rather cool, especially in terms of the gadgetry and buttons therein (I'm in IT, and thus love tech). We wish you well in any work done, and urge you to remain safe-- Indeed, looks rather harrowing to drive in the car's present state!

[@HelloRoad]

A year ago I didn't know this car existed either! I saw one come up on Bring A Trailer and it piqued my interest. At $1000 I couldn't pass it up. Certain American manufacturers may have deserved their bad rap when it came to reliability in the 80s/90s, but there were a few gems like this one where they were pushing the envelope, in both performance and features!

[@HelloRoad]

And yes this car shouldn't be on the road in its current state. Project "remove crap ABS system" will commence soon!

[@ejamsc]

I had a white 92 Grand Prix with the 3.4 twin-dual overhead cam engine. Too much power for front wheel drive and for the terrible breaks. But great on gas and I loved the interior.

[@johnl3230]

Always loved these cars, no matter the spec haha. Haven't had good luck with the 3.1 though lol (blown intake gasket on a 98 century and blown head gasket on a 95 beretta)

[@alexcheetah79]

lol I remember my mom having the regular version of that same car with faded paint.

[@grabir01]

This car and the Montana should complete your collection.

[@HelloRoad]

I'm holding out for a first year Trans Sport!

[@msg6219]

You sir deserve more subscribers!

[@MrCarguy2]

Here before this video explodes

[@HelloRoad]

😀😃😄

[@20JK10]

Memories. Had one as my first car. Leave it to GM to make a unique braking system to the TGP that wasn't available on any other car.

[@johnd.1849]

How much

[@SargHWP]

Hey I got a 94 Pontiac grand prix special edition its soo rare

[@reverendlawrence7584]

Great car love it

[@carnage50x]

I'm starting to have parts problems with my 6th gen. all of the odd ball parts you can only get new old stock or junkyard. the rocker covers and lower door moldings for an example. the abs module (they fail when you don't change out the fluid at least every 3 years) which these 6th gens are common for no maintenance. last example is the Bose audio system has special duel coiled 6x9s in the back that can't be replaced. a 15 year old factory speaker.... I'm glad mine aren't blown yet but my days are numbered.

[@HelloRoad]

Old car problems!!! 😀😩

[@derek002001able]

Contact bose, had a set of 901s from the 70s they replaced the speakers. Worth a shot.

[@mikesanders2057]

I have a 96 GTP, in really near mint shape. I love the car!

[@HelloRoad]

Those are rad!!

[@GrandCamino6]

The 86 & 87 Turbo Buicks have a Powermaster brake system that looks similar minus the ABS. Most Buick guys swap over to a standard vacuum brake system. You need the master cylinder, vacuum resivoir, vacuum block with an extra port to run a vacuum line to the resivoir and a brake pedal from vacuum brake equipped car. The powermaster brake pedal doesn't have as much leverage as the vacuum brake pedal does as it requires less force for the same braking power. When you have a failure on a Powermaster system it's super sketchy as you don't have as much pedal leverage. I had a failure on my 86 Regal T-type and I drove around like that for a while. I wonder if any of these would apply to your ASC McLaren Turbo Grand Prix.

[@HelloRoad]

Thanks for the info. I do think some of this would apply to my TGP. Haven't figured out exactly what parts I need but this is a good starting point. I believe the TGP only has three brake lines (one goes to both back wheels) so I may also need to run new brake lines. And yes my brakes are super sketchy as is!

[@GrandCamino6]

Hello Road No worries. I am curious to see if the accumulator bowls are interchangeable. This car is only 3 years newer than the oldest Turbo Buick. It’s possible they could have used something already existing from the GM parts bin. If they are Kirban Performance makes a replacement for the Turbo Regals. Here is the link below. www.kirbanperformance.com/product/318/Reproduction+BRAKE+ACCUMULATOR+BOWL+PART+6697+For+1985-1986+1987+Buick+Regal+Grand+National+Turbo+T+T-Type+GNX.html

[@HelloRoad]

I actually did find an accumulator ball on eBay that should work, but I'm pretty sure my pump is also bad, and that might not be all. So I'm pretty set on ditching the PM brakes at this point! :)

[@GrandCamino6]

Hello Road That's a good call. I am wondering if could swap the vacuum brake set up from a non turbo Grand Prix of a similar year and call it good. The ABS probably adds to the complexity. If you were to simply swap the brake pedal it would give more leverage. Probably not ideal as it would still be like driving a manual brake car of the 60's but it would be better than now. If you were to fix your existing brake system and have the brake pedal from a vacuum brake system it will probably be hyper sensitive. This of course if it follows the same path as the Turbo Buick. It sounds like it would with the components it has. Someone on here has to be be a GM tech with more knowledge than me.

[@ziehe666]

Bruh i drive a 91 pontiac grand prix... No abs brakes work perfect. 132k miles... Great car. Look for Euro 3.1 Chevy Lumina around the same years. Most parts are interchangeable

[@HelloRoad]

Nice!! Yes I've been looking around for parts, gotta get this thing back on the road.

[@knowbodiesfull5768]

I miss Pontiac, even after 11 years. 😞 Oh well, gotta move on. But I can still remember it for what it was!

[@pontiacmaniac7772]

I didn’t know what this was until I saw a red one broken down on the side of the road. So I looked it up and figured out what it was😂

[@chulodanny44]

I always wanted one of these

[@Jasmine-jx4ve]

Brakes are broken but it didn't break down at least 😂 love that interior... 😃

[@HelloRoad]

Yeah I'm never sure with my cars! Seems like any of them could break down at any minute! Yes the interior of this car is sooooo 90s!

[@No-vm7go]

Funny video. With the immediate admission that it's a clickbait title and the overview of McLaren's history and subsequent involvement in the design of this car, it makes the 'clickbait' title seem not so 'clickbait-y' after all. The interior is impressive for 1990 and the fact that you admitted that the car is unregistered and not entirely safe to drive (yet you drive it anyway) is awesome. More people should have this much guts.

[@aaronhare5262]

Good boy just FIX it up & LOVE it! I got my mom a GREAT (year) 2000 black pontiac Grand Prix GTP ( supercharger) yes that KIND of GT & oh WE LOVE & LOOK after it Sooo,MUCH! It's in GREAT shap for the year & we put lots of cash in to it & LOVE as well. I'm in Edmonton,Ab,Canada & YES NICE CAR! You did GREAT for buying it! That car NEEDS you to FIX, LOVE & INJOY IT! Yours Aaron!

[@brittany9414]

I Had A White 02 gp gtp. It had 296,+++ miles on it when I sold it (mind you it was still running too!) Wish I would have kept it. I've got an 05 gp gt now. It isn't anything like the 1 I had before..makes the 5th one I've had since I started driving lol

[@aaronhare5262]

Them cars are GREAT & YES my mom will keep her big black Pontiac Grand Prix GTP till the end.

[@enleeten]

Honestly, this car is way better than I was expecting. Even the interior is kinda cool, wtf?

[@tientrinh943]

Wow that’s a nice interior

[@nickwilkins6014]

my abs system in my turbo Grand Prix is mint. my brake lines are just shot... lmao.

[@HelloRoad]

D'oh!!

[@markburley3418]

One of my old cars is an Aussie made ‘94 Ford Fairmont ED, which as with this Pontiac, had ABS. Watching this has led me to this realise, no.1, why is has ‘ABS’ so pronounced on the back of it, & no.2 maybe why my brakes seem to take a sometimes scary amount of foot pressure to pull the old girl up!

[@arunrai8006]

I am looking daily for one for sale. Hard to find. Love these cars

[@samueljackson2478]

I absolutely love this car, but again GM drops the ball and never follows up if GM had made another Generation of this with the following improvements 1. RWD/ Awd. 2. 3.8 Buick V6 Turbo GNX 3. Navigation System 4. Brembo Brakes.

[@shingoose6197]

I really want an ASC Edit: The main song in this video is ABS- Forgetful by Matthew Webber if anyone was wondering!

[@HelloRoad]

I love how this thing looks. I hope I can get it running right soon!

[@WBodyTech]

You can find them all day long at facebook.com/McLarenGrandPrix/

[@marksmusicplace3627]

thank GOD its slow while the brakes are out. You definitely do not want that car to be fast with no brakes. Great BUY. I been looking for a turbo grand prix for years

[@timcoker4685]

I always have like this body style, but why didn't they use a 3.8 turbocharged motor? 3.1 was way under powered.

[@HelloRoad]

Me too-my favorite Grand Prix generation. Supercharged 3.8 in one of these would be sweet. Wonder if it would fit.

[@retrochristmas7329]

I love these cars. Wish it was manual. But i love the 90s grand prix.

[@HelloRoad]

These are good! Same wish here, a manual would be better for this car. :)

[@djvicy]

@Hello road, look up online. A lot of people with this kind of brake booster system just swap for a vacuum based brake booster. There is likely a way to do it on this one! Nice car, Cheers!

[@HelloRoad]

Thanks! Yes I think I may go in that direction! :)

[@jasonyoung4890]

Reason why I got rid of my 1990. Wouldn't have thought they could bring value. The brake booster was leaking brake fluid into exhaust and leaving a smoke screen lol. And a place in Wyoming rebuilt them but very pricey. I had mine back in 2004.

[@jimgarrity2414]

I had the chance to drive a 94 GTP for a bit... would still love to own one...

[@trixie9867]

love it love it

[@EAS76]

Everyone who got these or the aero performance package on the SE/GT, or the full GTP package would scrape all the paint off the front chin spoiler and break the fog lights the first time they encountered the angle of a hill.

[@davidpeterson9287]

It’s amazing that this made it out of the trailer park!

[@BBsAuto]

Damn you got a pretty badass car there

[@HelloRoad]

Thanks dood!!!

[@cinder9950]

Wow that interior looks mint

[@HelloRoad]

It is in spectacular shape.

[@joseduranjr3152]

I’ve always wanted and dreamed of having a black Mac Claren Grand Prix

[@rifles_up2263]

Good lookin car,would look even better with some dark tint

[@davidconde1521]

2:05 song name?

[@HelloRoad]

"Thirty First Dream" by Otis McDonald. Otis is the stage name of Joe Bagale. His music is sooooo dope. kzbin.info/door/ej6bRv8lR48AEbQvdb_9Cg

[@dedecreole8315]

It's beautiful

[@AndrewJaws]

Aztek owner here. I’m most likely buying a Grand Prix turbo this weekend!

[@HelloRoad]

Nice!!! Let me know if the brakes work! I'm guessing not! :) :)

[@AndrewJaws]

Well, that isn't happening anymore. The abs does work, BUT it has a total loss/ severe damage reported and then the title was washed. NOPE!

[@HelloRoad]

@@AndrewJaws D'oh!! Skip it!

[@ELGlueckert]

Doug Demuro would go nuts with this cars quirks and features.

[@HelloRoad]

I know right? I should see if he wants to check out my car...

[@snagh]

The main issue with these cars , is the ABS , I had the same few years ago and had to replace to vacuum .

[@HelloRoad]

Correct, the ABS system on these cars is garbage...

[@delirification7351]

i kind of want it..... though my supercharged grand prix already got me busy enough.

[@EAS76]

I loved this, and the GTP and grand prix STE from 90-93. The GTP had a newer version of the mostly useless but cool compass in the middle. I think the 3.4 V6 had fatal flaws in almost all of them, so stay away from the 3.4 Grand Prix STE and GTP. It’s a shame. So many cool buttons, cladding, black cross hatching on the lights, the steering wheel buttons, and the useless but cool rear buckets! They also had the neatest exhaust note with the rectangular finishers.

[@deadkemper]

that interior really is amazing for the times, holy fuck ! nice vid thanks

[@DJ_LATIN]

I always wanted one after graduating h.s. but the $ wasn't there. cool car you have there.

[@HelloRoad]

Thank you!!

[@SteveEarlcelerityproject]

Having owned both a TGP and an early 80s Porsche 928, they are both comparable. The 928 was manual which was nice but this TGP, when in good condition, does everything that the 928 did. Good luck !

[@HelloRoad]

I wouldn't have thought the TGP would be comparable to a 928, though that said I've never driven a 928!

[@SteveEarlcelerityproject]

@@HelloRoad I've owned 2 TGPs, one Red with no sunroof and one Black with sunroof. I know quite a bit about these cars that no one is talking about - including fixes for the turbo, brakes and suspension. I knew a person on the McLaren project who explained a lot of finer details that I didn't know. I'm not sure about the 90s (I had two 89s) but the 89s had the signatures of everyone on the project carved into the back of the glovebox. The final inspector signed the radiator support which mine had but most people washed off (it just wipes away). The car was part of the Goodyear GT+4 promotion, the production number was actually limited by the number of good 2.8 liter engines that GM sent. Oh yeah, this car also "invented" the 3.1 V6. It's ridiculous how it happened, but I could explain if you're interested. If you have any questions I'd be happy to answer !

[@HelloRoad]

@@SteveEarlcelerityproject Awesome! Thanks for the info!! I'll definitely reach out. Going to look at the glove box and see if there are any signatures! :)

[@lilhollyvert2173]

nice, i have a 92 grand prix richard petty edition thats rare, only 1000 of them were made

[@MatthewLarsen]

Trade it for an Aztec

[@HelloRoad]

This is... a... possibility...

[@chaseman94]

Get an Aztek Rally

[@driveventures7445]

Let me know if you find one of those cars for parts because I'm looking for that turbo setup for a Pontiac Aztek! Believe it or not, I will and I mean will make it work! LOL, also did you know you can take the 3.4 liter block out of an Aztec because it has the forged rods and upgrade the Pistons and put it in place of the 3.1 in that Pontiac Grand Am and you could run a bigger turbo in it with no problem, the 3.4 liter Motors that GM makes now have forged internals on their rotating assembly come all you would have to do is change the Pistons up and you would have one mean motor in that car

[@jamesstaggs4160]

I don't know why but I kinda like the way that era Grand Prix looks. Not so much the body cladding, but the combination of round and square, along with the subtle fender flares, just gave it a good look. Always liked Pontiac over Chevy, even though much of what Pontiac did was toss some of that body cladding they loved so much on a GM product and called it a day.

[@HelloRoad]

GM had some nice designs in the early 90s. But you're right, the Pontiac versions usually had a ton of plastic bits tacked on. It's aged pretty well with this TGP, but doesn't really look that good on the later Grand Ams...

[@WthaHatchet]

underpowered is either turbo going bad or a injector going bad. had two short out on mine.

[@HelloRoad]

Thanks. Yeah that is what we're thinking. Hope to get this sorted out soon.

[@WthaHatchet]

@@HelloRoad Mine a (1990 TGP) shorted out two injectors which fried my icm, coil packs, and ecu. also had it run really bad from vacuum leaks before. lots of feet of vacuum hose on them. If you dont know @WBodyTech hes pretty knowledgeable on these cars also! Good luck with everything! Also they have a repair company now for the ABS unit if you're interested. One is BBA Reman. They have a US based business also not just UK. there is another one I'm trying to find in my bookmarks. Starting to have ABS issues myself.

[@djohnnineonesix820]

I know the abs/máster cylinder was faulty since you said it was dangerous to drive. Someone tried on 2005 to hire me to fix one . The abs/master cylinder unit was around $1k. I said no thanks.

[@sadtoast6122]

I love buying a really neat unique Car for 1000 bucks and fix it up and love it... I too a 97 Honda to TEXAS and back to Chicago I loved that adventure now I just want to tell my story

[@whatevernevermind5960]

Did they ever make a manual version?

[@HelloRoad]

Not for the Turbo, automatic only. Though I have seen at least one with a 5-speed swapped in!

[@WBodyTech]

The turbo model never got the Manual 282 5 speed however many have swapped in the 282, 284 and F40 6 speed. Very easy swap.

[@Teraforce88]

The naturally aspirated models were available with 5-speeds, but the turbos weren't. The "successor" to Turbo 3.1 engine was the 3.4 "Twin Dual cam" V6, which WAS available with a 5-speed.

[@hewie7338]

here while at 1k subs gonna hit 1m before too long

[@HelloRoad]

🤘😸🤘

[@JoePhillips1983]

I still want a 90 STE, my personal favorite.

[@THESLlCK]

back in the day when mclaren still worked with chevy... damn

[@hustleman76]

When you go to the junk yard looking for parts. look for 94-96 GP's, parts should be similar or plug and play. 88-93 GP's parts fit your car, 94-96 GP's have different interior, less body cladding, more reliable parts. Lots of stuff on Ebay for 88-96 GP's

[@HelloRoad]

All good info! Thanks for the tips :) :)