I bought the cheapest rapid trigger keyboard (so you don't have to). - Redragon K617 Analog review

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[@Haru_no_ki]

Its 50 usd now on amazon. Even cheaper than on their site. The fact that it has the rapid trigger functionality for this price is mind blowing

[@Doenstop]

Great video. Made me more okay with going for the wooting 80he

[@shentobento1079]

HE boards are about to change drastically. You should consider taking a look at more premium customs that are adding hall effect boards, such as the zoom65v3 or the qk65v2 classic edition. Even the neo65 has a hall effect pcb planned. All of these blow wooting out of the water in terms of quality and sound.

[@leizerg]

Im more interested in performance :) Polar 65 was supposed to be super amazing but their implementation of rapid trigger is meh. But I will keep an eye out for any high end boards 👍

[@xypan5552]

@@leizerg did you try zouya x86? how good is it

[@sekki327]

​@leizerg any recommendation for a budget rapid trigger keyboard?

[@poosch]

​@@sekki327gammakay tk75

[@nasaten]

Hey where can I find resources on custom Hall effect boards?

[@umk3mafioso]

Hi, Leizerg, I'm glad at least some reviewers know how to test this kind of keyboards, especially the input lag information is crucial, I mean people spend up to 300$ for a gaming kb, you gotta think they care about performance, this rapid trigger boom is made for and by gamers. Now I have a question, I happened to notice that the input lag results on redragon keyboards with RT (different models, but i believe the pcb and swithces are the same) vary from test to test (by other youtubers), there is a thai reviewer who used to use solenoid rig just like you and he now uses some device that registers the current on the usb cord of keyboard itself, excluding PC and monitor lag from the equation , with his tests redragon has only 5ms input lag when wooting has 0.8ms, and around 15ms with the solenoid test for redragon. So i was curious who's test is correct his or yours, granted 5 is more than 0.8, but it is not 30ms vs 70ms from your tests. I mean if the pcb lag data is correct, then the solenoid test should be 30 and 35 respectively. So i opened two of your videos where you slowmo the release of the button and i counted frame by frame (60 fps youtube frames i mean) the wooting, apex, nj98 and redragon results and found out that the same keyframe appears on the screen roughly at the same (KZbin 60hz) frames after the release of the button. I dont know where this 70+ms lag came from. The only reasonable answer would be if wou slowed down your 1000fps camera's footage differently from one review to another, so 1\60 frame would result different time irl. I hope you add to your tests in the future some kind of frame counter on the screen when you record the game in slow motion, so it would be easier to count the delay by viewers themeselves, and maybe something more recognizeable within the game animation, maybe a gunshot muzzle flash or something. Sorry for the long read.

[@leizerg]

Hi! This is all very fair points. Please remember that my methodology does include all types of delays - from the system itself, from the monitor as well as the game. And that can vary very much if for example there was some kind of system process interrupting in the background. But that’s why you do 10-20 tests to get a good average. I think testing just the signal going through the cable is much more accurate but it’s also very „synthetic”. It doesn’t apply in any way to real world scenario - I hope you understand what I’m trying to say. Plus I’m not sure what the current on the cord is - it might be the button press or it might be something else, RGB or whatever. But I’m not an electrical engineer to be 100% sure whether this is true or not. Using visual method at least guarantees you can see the result. I’m also not sure how big of an impractical drivers have on the whole system latency, it might be that what’s causing the massive delay. I think in the end it’s important to stick to the same method to be consistent. I used 1000fps camera but the footage is saved as 50fps so it’s already slowed down 20x. After you put it to resolve you basically count 1 frames = 1 ms. Thanks for the input I’ll try to improve me testing process and maybe use Wooting each time as a reference. Hopefully this will help a bit.

[@umk3mafioso]

@@leizerg thanks for the answer, i think too the solenoid test is perfectly good, as long as the solenoid is consistent. I agree that drivers, screen capture or other apps can affect the results. It is good to know the slowmotion parts are all 1000 to 50 because that makes my frame counting to be relevant, i mean i want redragon to be not so bad 😀 because it is cheap enough to try RT keyboard without breaking a bank. If you are interested i'll explain what i counted: the frame when i see the switch to pop up/release it is frame#1,then i frame advance on youtube's in-browser player with >, so with all of those keyboards i advanced to about 50th frame and the image of the HUD overlaping the gun was pretty much identical, +-5frame advances difference, i recon 5 frames of slowed down footage won't cover extra 40 ms, as you said it would be around 5ms, which corelates perfectly with reviewer's results with electronic device that i was mentioning before. So maybe there was an error in your results, otherwise idk why frame counting gave me identical results between thos kbs. Anyway, best regards

[@thekaneallwaywin]

Good to know that it has a very high latency compared to other alternative. Would you be able to review the zuoya x86? It's about the same price as the redragon but at a 75% layout.

[@Camtcan]

If you're interested, another contender for cheapest rapid trigger keyboards is the Attack Shark K85. It's about $63 on amazon, and it looks like a drunkdeer copy. I'm waiting on mine to arrive, and if I can remember, I'll let you know what I think.

[@DanSperryIs13]

Any updates?

[@Camtcan]

@@DanSperryIs13 still waiting on it, a friend bought it for me so I'm waiting for him to be able to bring it to me. I'll let you know when I get it

[@DanSperryIs13]

@@Camtcan Alrightt, thank you! Hopefully it's really good :)

[@Camtcan]

@@DanSperryIs13 yeah I hope so. If needed, I'll make a review on it. The only reviews available are in a different language or not very well made. I'm hoping it's really good tho, I've got pretty decent expectations from both Attack Shark for build quality and then Otemu for their switches. Otemu switches are way better than cherry switches imo

[@Camtcan]

@@DanSperryIs13 Update: I have received the keyboard! I'll give you a mini review. Build Quality - Not the best, it's made completely out of plastic and has some decent deck flex, but not enough to affect performance. It's better than anything I'd expect from Redragon. Lighting - Very Limited, but enough to provide aesthetics and visibility. Now the good stuff Switches - Honestly smoother than I expected, by a LOT. I trust Outemu to make good products, but these feel like a leap compared to the last switches I tried from them. A little plasticy sounding, but that could be due to a lot of other factors. It won't wake any one up though. Rapid Trigger - Insanely responsive, no strange input issues, no ghost presses. The one thing I noticed is that they seem to glitch when they bottom out, but it only exists in the software. Otherwise they are perfect. That's about it, it's a quality keyboard boasting a great range of features and a decent construction. If you want a rapid trigger keyboard but don't want to spend hundreds, this is your best choice.

[@romangritsak]

Hi! Love the video! I noticed that you have a lot of great content on your channel. My recommendation is to add more text to thumbnails to make them more catchy. The style is already great (I mean colors and overall positioning), but something more "clickbaity" on the thumbnails could add more viewers to your channel. Cheers!

[@leizerg]

Thanks for the hint! I’ll try that

[@93SupaFly]

im not sure why on western market the K617 FIZZ is an HE Magnetic keyboard (with that gradiant keycaps) but here in malaysia online market scene, the K617 FIZZ is not an HE magnetic keyboard but just your typical hotswap mechanical keyboard., but reddragon do have another 2 model that looks exactly the same as this K617 FIZZ in your video, but under different product name. one is K701 Irelia and the other is K683 FIDD.

[@muhammadadibmursyidabrashi9656]

I got one ady hehe

[@93SupaFly]

Hmm. Dont know im not totally sold on all this HE keyboards rapid triggers. I probably just get rainy75 with morandis or if i want more gamery just get razer blackwidow v4 75% with morandis or any other switch and diff keycaps. This leopold fc660mpd is getting old already

[@arisvalo]

Can you test the Latenpow looting 68 its also a budget hall effect keyboard with an aluminum case and it sounds pretty good from what ive seen.

[@nikita3.14]

Nice, thanks! Could you test the Zuoya x86 with RT?

[@YA-xw3cs]

can i swap the swichs to the raptors ? someone help :)

[@fica1137]

But is it better than regular mechanical keyboard?

[@leizerg]

I’d say yes

[@AndreiStancu-qc1yz]

Ok look, I have two deals, please help me to see the differences here. 193euros for the wooting board + 10 euro shippment + 30 euro for the wrist = 233euro And RAZER Huntsman V3 Pro TKL, Analog Optical Switches Gen-2 = 197EUROS (shipment included and ofc wrists rest included). Which one is a more overall better deal? What are the biggest differences that I get from the extra cash on wooting board?

[@leizerg]

hmm... tough choice. If you want better quality - pick Wooting (imo it's better). If you want to save some money - get the Razer, it's still a great keyboard but the feeling is in my opinion worse than wooting. if you have anything else from Razer (mouse, headphones etc.) go with Razer for the app integration.

[@AndreiStancu-qc1yz]

I believe top 3 rapid trigger gaming keyboards right now that are high end are 1.wooting 2.razer 3.probably steelseries..? Would you agree?@@leizerg

[@leizerg]

@@AndreiStancu-qc1yz SteelSeries has some issues with their switches sometimes. But yeah o think it’s one of the more popular ones. You should also add DrunkDeer there. Good value.

[@Bizyze]

Oh boy, after your advice, I actually bought both wooting and the razer huntsman v3 pro tkl. Right now I am writting from the huntsman, its quiter than my huntsman mini clicky version, the quality and aluminium is amazing plus its pretty heavy (which I like), the feeling of the keys feel premium to me, and I also have media buttons and arrows, I am soooo looking forward to see what difference the wooting can make, this razer is alreadyt amazing lol, idk if I will give back the wooting when it comes (in 3 weeks) or the razer. What do you think are going to be the main differences? :D PS: The wrists rest is horible with my mousepad, the rest is amazing! (also the RGB is amazing compared to my last huntsman mini) - this is also probably the first liniar switches for me after my roccat vulcan tkl but they are sooo smooth to click on, but also clicky in a way

[@leizerg]

Yeah Razer stepped it up a notch in the recent releases. I think the main differences you will see in sound and stabilizer feel. The Razer is much more useful in everyday scenarios since it’s Tkl and has arrows. In performance there is close to no difference from what I’ve tested. But for Wooting I believe you can replace the switches while Razer has the soldered in so you need to return the keyboard to them if anything fails. And after warranty you’re on your own. But the new optical switches are amazing really like them.

[@Bizyze]

​@@leizergi am really wondering the new tkl wooting, how good will it be in terms of quality and everything, what do you think?

[@leizerg]

@Bizyze I already ordered it for tests, we’ll see :) I hope it puts the bar even higher

[@atanasdzhivdzhanov4252]

If I understand correctly you are measuring release latency (when you stop pressing the keyboard). Why are you not measuring press latency? When you press the button? They might end up being the same but I was just wondering.

[@leizerg]

Because it’s easier for me to make it somewhat repeatable and reliable. It’s harder to make consistent press with the method I’m using :)

[@brynrls]

Hello! I have a question about this, everytime I save the rapid trigger settings, whenever I go to other tabs then go back to the rapid trigger tab, it keeps resetting. Is it actually saving the profile or not?

[@brynrls]

Also props to you, this is a very high quality review video.

[@leizerg]

Thanks! I think I had the same issue but in the end the settings were stored properly. You can try with some extreme value like 0.1 vs 1 and see if it makes a difference.

[@Whatagoober2]

Love the Vid! could you do a video on the new Wooting 80he By any chance?

[@leizerg]

I don’t think it’s out yet right?

[@Whatagoober2]

@@leizerg it Is and if you order now you get free switches and A founders Edition case on it 👍

[@halleffectcontroller]

@@Whatagoober2 but they will be shipping in July/August the first orders, so still some time away

[@Whatagoober2]

@@halleffectcontroller oh i didnt know. Thanks for the info!

[@prussomc]

Hey I just got this keyboard and I downloaded a software along with it from the redragon website, however the software only showed macro and lighting settings, could you link the software shown in this video?

[@leizerg]

cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2695/9506/files/REDRAGON_K617_M.zip?v=1706769714

[@shockat5070]

bro... dont tell me you got the mechanical switch version😢

[@prussomc]

@@shockat5070 i did LMAO

[@shockat5070]

@@prussomc yeah... when i was searching on aliexpress for mine the price was so low i instantly knew something was wrong, and rapid trigger was nowhere to be found on its page, after 3 days of searching aliexpress gave me discount for the already cheapest option with actual magnetic switches and i ordered it yesterday for like $50(no more tax or shipping cost)

[@wastedviking6280]

Sadly 8k polling rate gives weird issues with some games

[@lonelyspirit5710]

Does iiiit have on board memory ? Or do I need the software to be running all the time for the analog to work

[@leizerg]

It does

[@lonelyspirit5710]

@@leizerg TYSM! That was my only concern about the keyboard

[@Pr_pagation]

8000 hz polling but 3x slower than any other rapid trigger KB, but the price is good

[@silentov4081]

Nice, thanks! Could you test the ATTAK SHARK K85 ? plsss

[@clockcycle]

What's the difference between this update and the M61 / K 683WB model?

[@leizerg]

Good question - but I have no idea

[@clockcycle]

They seem to use the same software, I loaded both and other than the branding model both work.

[@alial-rubiay337]

So Fizz avg is 77 ms The question is what would that value be if the keyboard doesn't even support rapid trigger??

[@leizerg]

I think it would still be the same tbh.

[@mehanyt1]

but what are the differences between a normal mechanical keyboard and this?

[@leizerg]

Normal mechanical keyboard has a fixed actuation point. Analog mechanical keyboard allows you to change that plus it can reset as soon as you release the button (0.1mm travel) and activate again after you start pressing it (0.1mm) regardless of set activation point.

[@CR0WYT]

Most mechanical keyboards have a set actuation point, meaning there's a point where the key you press actually registers to the computer. With a product like this, you can choose when the keyboard can both start registering a key press and when to stop it. Some games can heavily benefit from it.

[@yourshotsalwaysmiss]

Nice Hipyo Tech style video title 😂

[@leizerg]

🤫

[@DaudasVlr]

Has compatiblity with Raptor or Gateron Switches?

[@mohamedking777]

I have glorious gmmk 1 compact and the windows key not working why

[@Speedy94uru]

thx for the video!

[@SoyAntonioGaming]

Does the rapid trigger work with PS5?

[@synapseyzx]

k683/m61 doesnt have deadzone issue

[@gohoooho2125]

Im confused is this keyboard realy have 8000hz

[@leizerg]

It’s advertised as such but I have now way to make sure.

[@kurukiddo]

I have gateron browns and cherry MX switches, will there be an advantage switching to this? Mostly FPS games. Thank you!

[@leizerg]

I would say yes. Rapid trigger is great for fps.

[@Bizyze]

What do you think are the main differences between a costumer that buys the wooting 60e and the razer huntsman v3 pro one?

[@leizerg]

Someone who buys Wooting buys with his head (good value for the money) and someone buying Razer buys with his heart (brand loyalty, ecosystem etc.). Both are great keyboards with amazing performance but Wooting has better build quality and more reasonable price.

[@Bizyze]

For me the wothing is 193euros *but the shipping is around 10 euros and Razer is 197 euros (shippment included). Which one would you suggest is a better overall deal?@@leizerg

[@Bizyze]

193 for the wooting board + 10 euro shippment + 30 euro for the wrist = 233euro And RAZER Huntsman V3 Pro TKL, Analog Optical Switches Gen-2 (shipment included and ofc wrists rest included) = 197euros Which one is a more overall better deal? @leizerg@@leizerg

[@colemanbarns4032]

open box excellent for $37 can’t complain at that price

[@leizerg]

Wow killer price. No competition in that price point :)

[@hungerforarts734]

Hi, does this comes with metal base or is it 100 percent plastic build?

[@leizerg]

100% plastic

[@DennisLaurence-sg8um]

I hope you can test VXE ATK75

[@vinbladi.]

Hey, is the wooting truly 0.15mm or is that just a lie, also theres another keyboard called the drunkdeer and its pretty good was wondering if youre gonna review it anytime

[@leizerg]

It’s on my channel already. Wooting is 0.15 and very precise. DrunkDeer I can recommend it’s good for the price.

[@vinbladi.]

@@leizerg Oh okay thanks, so far would you prefer the wooting or the huntsman v3 pro, ignoring the layout

[@leizerg]

@@vinbladi. Wooting

[@ahyanisbott5616]

Can you please test the atk 68

[@tough_cake8398]

any plans on testing Latenpow Looting66?

[@leizerg]

I’ll seeing it’s available

[@christianpaularanas1851]

Can I use it for my laptop?

[@leizerg]

Sure

[@ducnguyen-wb8ik]

Should I go for the akko mod007b He pc bro

[@leizerg]

Akko is pretty good

[@roythunderplump]

Does rapid trigger feature improve your gaming?

[@leizerg]

Imo yes, especially in movement based games - Warzone, Apex etc.

[@h1ghken]

Nice pls test The new Gk61 HE, it has rapid trigger and is 60bucks

[@h1ghken]

I ordered one myself

[@chunk3875]

so would this keyboard be good for games like valorant and csgo?

[@leizerg]

Yes but it’s pretty high delay. At least the price is low.

[@BuBull]

Is it still better than most mechanical keyboards that dont have HE ?

[@leizerg]

Yes

[@BuBull]

@@leizerg So its still a great valure for it's price, thank you

[@Eins.1]

What's the latency of normal keyboards?

[@leizerg]

Great question. I’ll test this soon.

[@ilovedurians02]

can you review AE68 Everglide

[@leizerg]

I’ll put it on my list

[@killualust5628]

Try thr gamakay TK75 He

[@raaamqt5110]

try VXE ATK68

[@shockat5070]

wow 77ms higher delay is crazy wtf

[@fraud523]

there's an even cheaper one called HUO JI E-YOOSO 60% Mechanical Gaming Keyboard

[@leizerg]

It’s analog too?

[@fraud523]

@@leizerg prob not

[@glarhd]

reapid?

[@leizerg]

Thx!

[@glarhd]

@@leizerg 👍🏿

[@MaybeTrex]

The keyboard sound is just 🤮

[@leizerg]

Its 65$, cant expect much :) But yeah its a bad sounding keyboard.

[@H313AT]

as owner of one and have been using it for 1 year 3 months, and recently mod it 2 months ago, I don't want to go back to stock K617 without tape & foam, (didn't have enough willpower to start lubing though 😅)