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0:00 Intro
1:09 Legs
2:25 Battens
3:11 Cutting the Chamfers
4:10 Back to the Legs
5:55 Changing the Taper
7:54 Handhold
8:29 Assembly
10:51 Level the Feet
11:26 Reinforcing the Legs
13:01 Outro

[@notreallymyname3736]

Rex: with all these moravian stools, you have to do a video about brettstuhls. It's just like a moravian stool, but has a backrest held on with tusk tennons. You're half way to it already!

[@RexKrueger]

Wouldn't you know it, that's actually why I'm doing the Moravians! It's all a build-up to the brettshul.

[@notreallymyname3736]

@Rex Krueger great minds think alike! I'm glad to hear it. I had just finished making a set of moravian inspired bar stools when you posted the sliding dovetail videos, and have been planning a brettstuhl rocking chair. It will be nice to have your build videos instead of making all the mistakes myself this time around!

[@ArniesTech]

As a German, Brettstuhl caught my attention 💪😁 looking forward

[@kevinorr6880]

@@RexKrueger @notreallymyname3736 Thank you both. I had no reason for stools, and now I do. I cannot wait. I will buy a package of these plans when you are finished with them to support.

[@jeffspaulding9834]

Oh, nice! The Moravian stool didn't interest me much as far as a potential project, but brettstuhls look cool! If I ever get my shop back in order, I think I'll give it a shot.

[@DarrenMalin]

When I was a boy in the 1980 I remember my mother covering all the wood shelves in the pantry with a sticky back plastic. At the time the telly was telling people that wood shelves were unhygienic as they breed bacteria so everyone covered they shelves., My Mum chose a flower plastic but I remember her looking at a wood grain one. at the time. these day they say the opposite , that wood does not breed bacteria so go figure :)

[@chiblast100x]

As I recall, those '80s 'unhygienic' claims were based on research treating all porous materials the same, but not having done actual experimentation on most porous materials including wood. When they were later forced to actually try the same experimental methods with wood and some other previously skipped materials it turned out that whatever they'd used previously was just unusually prone to retaining moisture and allowing bacterial and fungal growth.

[@karlrovey]

​@@chiblast100x The "unhygienic" claim regarding wood was still being taught when I took a culinary arts course back in 2012.

[@chiblast100x]

@@karlrovey Not a surprise considering most health departments adopted it and it's not going to be cost effective for any food service businesses to try and challenge and overturn that. Kinda similar to the requirements to wear gloves.

[@ModelLights]

'covering all the wood shelves' It isn't just 'hygiene' from the idea of trapped tiny particles. It's much more about the big idea of hygiene from being able to clean your shelves easily with a swipe of cloth with cleaner. If you have items that you know are likely to spill, it's far better if they leak or spill onto a plastic liner than a raw wooden shelf. Applied it myself to wooden shelves plenty of times. Contact paper (which is usually plastic) and other shelf liners are right there at Lowe's etc in the organization aisle.

[@nicholasrusson8978]

In the 60s and 70s, my mother was a huge fan of this stuff. We used to call her the Mac-Tac Lady after she'd wrapped yet another cheap piece of wood with the plastic sheeting (Mac-Tac was the local brand we saw the most). When we moved her into her current apartment, I didn't see any surviving examples ... but I wouldn't swear she didn't have a few left over.

[@Arthur-ek7nd]

They look nice, but I don't like the natural wood grain. Maybe you should try putting contact paper with a wood grain design on it.

[@connorwells7774]

You could also do a blind wedge, where you pre-install the wedge before pounding the leg into the blind hole. You can't get it out again, but it's in there

[@thomashverring9484]

He did that in one of his old videos when making a mallet.

[@bakerzermatt]

He could also just remove the seat, pound in the wedges, then put the seat back.

[@Culpride]

hi Rex. When you asked "How would they do that [...]" at 12:00 I immediately thought of the wedged blind tenon that You taught me way back when you showed how to make a simple woodden mallet. Remember that?

[@theguy6847]

out of all the wood working channels, you give the BEST explanation.

[@8-7-styx94]

The peg in the leg trick is such a simple thing. I can't believe I haven't thought of that before. I have an old moravian style, that I finally know what is thanks to you rex! The poor things legs have begun to wobble after DECADES of hard use, kids, elderly, multiple generations, the thing is a tank and deserves much love and respect. Now I can hopefully fix the wobble a bit. =)

[@kdoubleg]

Hey Rex, just wanted to say i use alot of your advice in my knife making endeavors. I dont do much furniture work but its all still helpful information.

[@johnj6087]

Cool stool Rex! I like to imagine that small but important attention to detail will save the world. Let's all make something for a home, right? Not to become rich, just to have a nice chat with our kid when they come home dejected and need to slump on that stool. Your ideas really jive with an English draftsman and craftsperson, William Morris

[@bobbobson4607]

Driving screws with a bit and brace during assembly saves time, effort, prevents carpel tunnel syndrome, and still gives you the sensitivity to not over drive or strip screws.

[@divyabirsingh2905]

You are my got to carpenter whenever i need to learn some woodworking. Thanks for your teachings. Much indebted.

[@mykolashatkovskyi576]

OK, Rex. NOW you've got me - from the third attempt. Now I do want to build your Moravian Stool, the Simple one.

[@garynelles]

Watching you rip a board with a panel saw bears a striking resemblance to a piston moving up and down!

[@norm5785]

Very nice addition fornthe shop, Porch and/or home. Thank you for sharing. Everyone stay warm, safe, happy and healthy. From Henrico County Virginia

[@coreygrua3271]

Why use power tools when you’re a hand tool guy? Rex, as always, has a wise reason.

[@mowjo13]

wow Rex, I had been MIA (father of an almost 2yr old now) for some time now and just came back to revisit your channel and content after trying to find more time for hobbies/myself and...just wow. this is a greatly made video. Your content has come so far from your older stuff (which I still enjoy very much). More.. dare I say, professional? I think its a good example of using some more complicated skills and explaining why it matters. Then you can reference older content if the viewer isn't quite there yet and does need to learn a basic skill first. I wanted this to sound like a very big compliment but not sure if i hit the mark. Anyway thanks and nicely done

[@codyaimes4354]

Hex Rex, this looks like a fun project. Thanks for taking the time to show it to us.

[@timziegler9358]

You did a fine job on the video and on the stool build! Very comprehensive in the build detail. Thank you.

[@matts.8342]

The contact paper was probably to make it easier to clean. Spills etc won't soak in and stain that way. My grand parents did the same thing in their canning storage area in the basement, although it wasn't fake wood grain. Also very common to find inside kitchen cabinets in older homes.

[@nate2838]

I'm the type of person who is always noticing whether something has room for improvement. Not to say your video is perfect, because nothing is, but the quality of the instruction, video examples, and audio is such that my mind is happy with it as is :) Great job

[@noahfreeman8115]

I built one (well a round table) for the first time around the same time as you! it has the sliding dovetail and the through tenons. it even has the wonky legs that come when you’ve never teamed a hole before!

[@glennjeffrey3767]

I really like this format. Lots of tips, hard and fast

[@5StoryWoodWorks]

Great one Rex, Thank you!

[@seanbates4934]

your content gives me courage and inspiration to try!! God Bless You

[@1lapmagic]

I feel like your content is invaluable and you will end up on This Old House or something. Maybe a new version based on reteaching us the skills we have lost.

[@nate2838]

I have the type of mind that is always irritated by the little things that would drastically improve something. My mind was quiet and happy watching this :) I actually find this video soothing for that reason.

[@scoobshagg]

Great video as always Rex and some nice video transitions as well

[@MCsCreations]

Beautiful work, Rex! Nicely done!!! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@MrSlyQue]

"If you built it once, you're probably not good at it yet" Life lesson here. I need to hear that more often, how quickly we forget!

[@marinechapssemperfiout9939]

Another outstanding piece! Semper Fi

[@glencrandall7051]

Nice stool. Simple to build and very functional. And once you have mastered the stool it's a very small step to a coffee table. Then of course it takes no imagination to step up to a dining room table. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂

[@nicmasterdude]

My work from home desk is made in this style, with the sliding dovetails!

[@andyc972]

Pacey delivery on this one Rex, but loads of useful tips and advice and a nice looking stool, Thanks !

[@JMFuller227]

Rex, this is a great video and I appreciate how you are making this project more approachable for craftspeople of different skill levels. I also appreciate how you brought up the topic of sharpening your saw without showing or pitching your saw vise. It isn’t that I have anything against that product, it just seems like since you got to your new shop in particular some of your videos seem like a running infomercial for your plans/products. I understand you have bills to pay and all but sometimes it’s just nice to see you teaching us something 😊

[@RexKrueger]

Your comment was very constructive and I appreciate it. This is the reality of no sponsors. I have to sell to survive.

[@salimufari]

11:40 Blind wedges?

[@AB-C1]

Excellent video again Rex! Nice job! Remember I had a stool similar to that my Grandad made 80-90 years ago! Different though had sides on it coming down on all four sides and straight vertical legs but had the hadm hold and 2 piece top o think it was, had old white paint on it where my mum painted it as a kid probably had lead in it and all sorts anyway was quite sentimental even if was pretty old and beat up, bit I made a stupid mistake without thinking put a hot disposable BBQ on top of it and turned it into charcoal! Had to dump buckets of water on it to put it out had to be thrown away I was gutted! Survived all that time then I did one of the stupidest things I've ever done dont know what I was thinking at the time. Anyway this build series has reminded me of that constantly and definitely inspired to try and build one perhaps try and copy the design of my Grandads one from memory.. He also made a jewelry box on tapered legs double flip-ip lid with handles on the end at the top so kind of looked like a tray on top but the base was the double lid and inside were compartments for jewelry and sliding inserts boxes type of thing made of hardwood for my mum when she was a kid 70odd years ago and I think the stool went with it cos she painted both in that old white paint! Lol 😂 Anyway I think she still has the old hand made cupboard her dad(my grandad) made He was a Cabinet maker, furniture maker and joiner by trade before and after the 2nd world war.. wish he'd lived longer died when I was 8 at just 69 as he had one king from lung cancer at just 53 caused by wood dust and smoking no masks back then.. I STILL have his old Stanley No.4 plane though just needs a bit of a clean up two minds whether to restore it given it was his and is original as he had it, don't know if restoring it would detract from the originality and sentimental aspect.. (I bought a Faithful No.4 couple weeks ago in presentation box with the Brass screw instead of the flip, after your recommendation video couple weeks ago!) Sorry for the essay guess this brought back a lot of old memories! Keep making great videos mate truly inspiring! Cheers from London 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@robohippy]

There is the technique for hidden tenons where you cut the wedge slot, slip in a wedge, then the wedge seats as you drive the tenon into the recess/hole.

[@nicmasterdude]

The foxtail wedge! Great joint, but not really needed here with the battens screwed on, just put the legs in the battens and wedge normally first!

[@m4dtr4sh]

the level trick is sick

[@mariushegli]

I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.

[@mercoid]

I’ll have moved to Cleveland Heights by July 29th. It seems Burton is a bit of a haul, but your event sounds like fun.

[@lazerblade2]

Hey, the patron trip detail is great. First time I've noticed that.

[@RexKrueger]

It's supposed to only be for patrons. They get extra tips in each video.

[@ikust007]

Merci beaucoup. Loved it. But I want the sliding dovetails :)

[@rawr2u190]

Ooh the screwed batten version reminds me of the underside of the traveler's bench.

[@worstworkshop]

This is great. I'm gonna build this. It will suck, but I'm gonna build it.

[@peteetienne5493]

You know, I have seen a few of these, and when I was little, I cut one in half. It was a blind tendon! As the wedge was forced into the slot as the leg was pounded down. Granted it was a milking stool, and I got my but paddled for it. It was worth it to me to see how it worked! LOL

[@thomashverring9484]

For science! 😂 I love that story! Yeah, Rex did blind tenons with wedges long ago. Funny he didn't mention it here.

[@ShadyButFresh]

What a fantastic example of quality woodworking. I hide my novice mistakes by using some nicer (local) woods with visually beautiful grain patterns. You used garbage wood, as you called it, and the final product looks fantastic. Goes to show that experience is worth its weight in gold!

[@jesusfreakpl]

Rex Krueger: Louis Rossmann of woodworking

[@clydedecker765]

How about a blind wedge? Put the slit in the leg make a wedge and make sure the leg won't bottom out and that the wedge will fit the slot and not extend too much past the end of the leg when driven in. Add glue, put in the wedge and then put the leg into its hole and pound away to seat it and the wedge will make it tight as it seats into the slot while driving in the leg.

[@JanSzymonGoowacz]

It look like one my 8y old dother made in last winter. Only she end tenons shoulders angle match to cross pice surfice. In my part of Europa is call zydel and in each farme was several of such longer and shorter one. From milk stool for 200cm bench. Was time when I make few of it. More like dozen or so. Good way to disposal of scraps.

[@rossdestafeno9165]

If it's worth doing, it's worth doing well. Subscribed!

[@journeymanadventure]

Rex another way to secure those legs is with a hidden peg. Cut your slot in the tenon , make your wedge and place it in the tenon with about five mm or quarter of an inch. When you place the tenon in the mortis and tap with your mallet the wedge will expand the tenon and lock in in place with nothing to show. In boat building it's called a trenel or tree nail

[@davidwilliams1383]

Another great video Rex. Thank you. Could some of the Moravian stools have "foxed" wedges? They are there but hidden. Look them up for procedure.

[@J.A.Smith2397]

I've made more stools than anything! Lol still need to try that sliding dovetail!

[@michaelpoirier22]

Would blind wedged tenons work in this?

[@karlrovey]

I wonder how difficult it would be to go from something like this to making an organ bench.

[@Jason-jd1jv]

In those tight areas, you can score the peg a little long and snap it off once you have it seated then chisel it flush and sand it smooth. A little easier than wedging a hack saw blade in there.

[@1988dgs]

Bamboo chopstick for peg… I was just thinking that and have a pack on order to check for an alternative to screws in a monks bench coat/shoe rack I am planning, experimental idea confirmed

[@StodOneR]

Im genuienly curious the thought process that you went through after finding the board with contact paper on it . Its a board , no that is contact paper ,* grabs it *wait thats real wood xD

[@pettere8429]

A hacksaw is actually a quite viable stand-in for a dovetail saw. Especially if you stone some of the set out of the blade.

[@virtualfather]

Your stool is 3/16 shorter than you wanted. Sorry I’m an old quality control guy.😊 You are quite good at the teaching part and seem to hit the nail on the head all the time. (Half the thickness of the pencil)

[@papayuki3590]

have you tried to add the wedge to the leg and pound that into the hole and when you do that the wedge goes deeper into the leg to lock it in

[@malkomalkavian]

You make it seem achievable, even to me :)

[@orange-micro-fiber9740]

why does the thumbnail say terrible for business. I don't get it.

[@timelyrain]

I bet many old stakes are fox-wedged in. Also, repetition is most important for hobby woodworkers, I can totally relate.

[@jurgenstoll2394]

I love these stools and want to build some for our medieval camp festivals. The problem is the transport. Do you think there's a way to build a collapsible or pluggable version?

[@ianpearse4480]

Nice.

[@bretticus4]

ah, rex. always leaving stool samples around the shop...

[@thomashverring9484]

Great video, Rex! Did you forget to mention the blind tenon/foxtail wedge thingy on purpose, you ol' ... fox? It has attracted a lot of comments 😅

[@jakobvanklinken]

I always say, the best stool is the stool you make at home - - wait, that doesn't sound quite right

[@wehaveasaying]

I bought a new 1" Fisch auger bit for my brace for like $70. It drills about half a hole and then loses grip and won't continue unless I put over half my body weight on the brace. I read the chapter in your book about making holes and but it didn't fix this problem. I get 1 shot to make the tenon for my mallet in from a chunk of mesquite I saved from going to a land fill. Any tips or hints about using my bit brace and auger would be appreciated.

[@nevinmurtha1670]

Could you do a blind wedged tennon?

[@lweismann]

This is awesome. Though, I’d bet the peg was draw-bored, not just pegged.

[@christophermcclellan8730]

Heh. I recently built a small step stool very similar to this. I just glued the batons and realized after I was done a sliding dovetail would be better. I was just inspired by the Roman workbench I built and didn’t realize the style had a name.

[@christophermcclellan8730]

And I just got to the part about the peg. Brilliance from the ancestors. Maybe I’ll go back and add some (or just build another).

[@felixar90]

what if they unscrewed the top to drive wedges in the legs and then re-screwed the top back on?

[@graydanerasmussen4071]

Nice approach, nice execution! I was wondering: Would it be possible to simplify the wedged batten by making an ever so slight taper to the cut in the seat, make the battens a bit overlong, and by simply dispensing with the shoulder? -So the batten ends up "D-shaped", which will be much easier since you could plane it to shape, and also a little tapered, so a 100% fit would be less crucial? Use the "through-method" or "blind-method" for the legs to fit your temperament... I'd do it myself, but I live in an apartment in the city, so no place to work :( (Also I'm not good enough with hand tools! :D -learning a lot, though. )

[@christopherharrison6724]

What type of wood is best for this project?

[@bakerzermatt]

For the stool where the leg doesn't go through: Why not just remove the battens after putting in the legs, wedge and flushcut, and then put the battens back?

[@theeddorian]

I bet you have end nippers or diagonal cutters around your shop. I have found that they and a chisel work well to trim pegs. It's a little fussier since there is more waste to clean up than a saw leaves, but it does work. I'ld be curious to know if any one has experimented with the fail conditions. Older pieces are often glued using hide glue, which is strong, but vulnerable to moisture degradation. Would a joint glued with a PVA glue see benefit over the long term from being pegged as well?

[@omegaflameZ]

The nice thing about using pegs is that if the glue fails for ANY reason (moisture, a less than ideal joint, bad glue) is that there is a mechanical connection. It might only be a small peg but all it has to do is stop the leg from coming out. The tenon is taking all the force and abuse when you think about it.

[@khogg3581]

Patron tip included!😀

[@RexKrueger]

Yup, that was an oversight.

[@wilcooley]

Did i just miss it or is the 3rd stool missing?

[@tonycosta3302]

Why not use a band saw for all those rough cuts? Is the satisfaction in the labor? It seems like woodworking is less about the final product and more about the process (labor).

[@jeradkoepp5956]

I know it's not common, but with all the round tenons you make, I wonder what your take is on spoke pointers and hollow augers. I've only ever seen Engels coach shop use them because they are a bit trade specific. I got a set because, you know, old tools. I've been surprised how much I use them.

[@jdjd2922]

or use a (adjustable) rounding plane to make (tapered) tenons

[@BenjaminMellor]

@RexKrueger Do you prefer your leg vise or the $50 vise you bought online and installed yourself?

[@RexKrueger]

I VASTLY prefer the leg vise, but this one works fine.

[@twotone3070]

As a UK resident I was surprised to hear you say Ohio was Mid West, because if I was asked to locate the Mid West I would have said Wyoming/Utah/Colorado. Is there a reason for this?

[@trianglewhips]

I just made 2 stools like that. Not true moravian but they work..

[@bakerzermatt]

How many tpi on that rip saw? Habe you tried really aggressive rip saws (5 to 3 1/2 tpi) to get it done faster?

[@RexKrueger]

This one is 5tpi.

[@joeseabert8391]

Not to brag but I’ve been making stools my entire life. My parents have consistently told me I’m full of it.

[@erichenao6537]

I love it how you have yourself sawing away on the low bench doing a long cut, while just in the background sits a nice Saw Stop Table Saw. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5ekYZVrrsyHr6M Yeah buddy! Just razzing ya. Keep up with the great content!

[@elviscoso01]

I don't get it. What's the advantage of a Moravian stool over any other type of stool? Is it just aesthetics?

[@jdjd2922]

thinner seat, less material?

[@ronbojin2232]

Why are the ends of the tenons exposed? if you're not going to put the seat down to the shoulders, why bother to cut the shoulders in the first pkace?

[@mikemorgan5015]

Whew! Planing those chamfers vertical with the plane biting into the end grain like that? Brutal. I always try to avoid that with every ounce of my being. The risk of accidentally cleaving off a huge long splinter of the face is high. And the planing is not pleasant. Attack from the side grain for a much more pleasant chamfering experience. You should, when possible, always try to have the leading edge of the iron slicing into the face grain first for a much smoother, cleaner, slicing stroke. The angles you used would be fine if the stock was clamped flat on the bench top with your working edge just off the edge of the benchtop. The clamped block works great for the end of the cut, but it doesn't do anything for face tearout from planing into end grain from the wrong direction. To keep your sacrificial block from exploding like it did here, consider spinning it so the end grain of your block butts the edge you are trying to preserve. Once the plane breaks out of the end grain, the edge grain of the block makes for a smooth landing zone that makes continuing the stroke effortless. Try it and see what you think.

[@davey2k12]

If I did it, It still be wonky I'd have 4 different size legs 😂

[@mewmew32]

I don't see why you'd be concerned about the strength of that joint with only glue. these legs see zero tension forces in use, what's going to pull it out?

[@colmoloideain8307]

Hoorau

[@user-sp6ju1zo3d]

👍👍👍

[@twiho]

I come from Moravia and I’ve only ever seen one of these in my life. Sus.

[@ArniesTech]

As a German where most people buy cheap garbage throwaway furniture, I am really curious if these projects actually are bought by people on a regular basis in the US or if these projects are just demonstration pieces for us, the audience.

[@ruffryder13]

Most people here in the US can't even tell the difference between well made or not and just buy based on price and overall look.

[@peterturner8766]

Why are you still lining up the angle for the legs by eye? If you are going to do lots of them, wouldn't it be worth making a jig?

[@RexKrueger]

Jigs are for people who lack conviction.

[@1pcfred]

Those dovetails don't look that hard to cut. I have dovetail bits for my milling machine.

[@changurr2705]

I grew up in W-S, I've worked in the woodworking trade all my life. I've never heard about Moravian woodwork. the stuff they do have is pretty rough and ready, like building on the frontier is, a lot times. There's a secretary, built in Europe, and the Moravian builder banged on some upper for it..rough stuff...it's in the single brothers house, they're way proud of it, but only because it's old. Even in Prague, where Jan Huss was from, there is no Moravian stuff, not even in the province of Moravia. So, this stuff you're all calling Moravian is just PR. They were skilled workmen reduced to making everything from a log. you can skip the nasty grams you send when someone disagrees with you.

[@jarhead0627]

Enough with the violence towards the impact driver 😢

[@Jack_all]

I wonder how useful these cute little stools are today with 42% of America being considered obese. Might need to break out some 4 x 4s