"I Can Prove The Bible Is True...Using The Bible" 🤔 | Talk Heathen: Throwback

[@capthavic]

Theists can't comprehend that if "the book says so" isn't a compelling argument for any other religious text, why would it be for theirs.

[@davids11131113]

It’s funny because at about 13 or so I came up with it myself, ‘What’s out there to verify what’s in just this 1 book?’ and I started doubting.

[@waynedexter]

Not only that but their non•comprehension is intentional, aggressive and based solely on their feelings. I could even argue that a lot of these folks are mentally ill. Also, the funny thing about these theists who call in is they listen to these atheists podcasts on the regular

[@Garyskinner2422]

​@davids11131113 13, I was 6 years old and it matters not a jot, at this time I was thinking none of this comports to reality, (not in those words, but as a kid) questioning everything, I went to St John's school. My schools affiliated church was literally across the road, I went to Sunday school and all that jazz, I had no choice whatsoever but to attend the religious indoctrination system of beliefs and stories, you know harvest festival, noahs ark and baby jesus in a manger, school plays etc etc, the greatest thing you have sir which eludes the multitudes is you're a critical thinker and a sceptic as far as I'm aware, age is irrelevant. You either accept things with 0 warrant or you don't. I just wish others were as deeply questioning as us.

[@Moriningland]

Especially when the book is wrong about basic science

[@gregsimmons694]

Atheists, if you don't know what a sinner is, look in the mirror! Jesus saves sinners! That means YOU! Mental matt is a.fool! The holy bible and dean odles biblical flat earth presentation destroys mental matts nonsense he spits out!

[@Ristofec]

It’s wild how many people struggle with critical thinking

[@powbobs]

Republicans actively oppose teaching it in the U.S.

[@blackwolfe638]

"wild" and depressing

[@phillysupra]

​@@powbobsand actively vote against it just so they can blame democrats.

[@drg8687]

All those people got together and formed a state. It's called Florida.

[@powbobs]

@@drg8687 Florida used to be great until the Midwest Conservatives invaded.

[@dinkalicious]

At least this guy listens and engages with what is being said.

[@gregsimmons694]

Hard to engage with a fool like mental matt! Mental matt probably thinks a stork put the first humans on earth! Lmao! Time to wake up mental matt followers! Jesus saves sinners!

[@dragowolfraven3806]

Using the Bible to prove the Bible is like using the Harry Potter books to prove that Harry Potter exists.😂

[@jaflenbond7854]

NO BIBLE, NO GOD, NO JESUS CHRIST..... JUST ATHEISM and RELIGIONS Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions who fill the world with their UNBIBLICAL teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "Trinity", "Armageddon", "rapture", and "reincarnation" and Atheists who fill the world with their claims that God and Gods don't exist and the BIBLE too is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales KNOW and are fully aware that they are all FREELY living and existing on earth wherever, whatever, and however they want without any need for GOD, Jesus Christ, and the Bible. NO ATHEISM, NO RELIGIONS.... JUST the BIBLE, GOD, and JESUS CHRIST GOD and Jesus Christ KNOW that Atheism and all Christian and non-Christian Religions are of no use and value to all imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings. GOD KNOWS that his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on Earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 is NOT for Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Atheists but ONLY for LOVING, KIND, CONSIDERATE, and RESPECTFUL persons on earth who willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and obey his teachings too about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26. GOD KNOWS that in the right and proper time, he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT back to life all the LOVING, KIND, CONSIDERATE, and RESPECTFUL persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ Followers and disciples, and many others so they can all happily and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@gregsimmons694]

Mental matt is a fool! If you don't know what a sinner looks like my friend, look into a mirror! Jesus saves sinners! Only the name of Jesus christ of Nazareth from the holy Bible can set a demonic possessed person free!

[@deedeskin2439]

Same goes for Frankenstein, The Hobbit, or The Merchant of Venice. P.S. If you haven't actually read Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein" you don't know what you're missing! It's fantastic!

[@eduardopena5893]

It is also like using science to prove science. Oh, your mind just got blown.

[@joeycan6801]

@@eduardopena5893science is being proved everyday , I don’t think you know how the scientific process works

[@NicholasCompass]

I think Jonathan is very logical, he's just fighting against years of indoctrination.

[@dinkalicious]

Yeah, I commented elsewhere that he at least listens and engages what’s actually being said.

[@Caliabra]

At least he is open to conversation and receptive. He will work his way out of it. He is hanging on to historical data or Jesus so at least he is discussing some basis of reality

[@simonvetter2420]

Yeah, definitely top 10% caller I'd say, purely by being able to engage in the conversation, as demonstrated by Matt not flipping out on him once

[@TypographyGuru]

Yet, he doesn’t approach it as ”let me find out what is true”, but as “let me try to get these atheists to agree that what I already believe is reasonable enough”.

[@craigbradford4850]

Jonathan is putting all these things up because he wants to hold on. The whole portion of “I’m not making the claim for …” is an indication that there’s something down there that they’re either struggling w/ or cannot defend.

[@DJMaul1031]

I'm fully willing to accept some guy maybe named Jesus was a human preacher who got crucified. It's the extraordinary supernatural claims I need more than just stories to convince me

[@raccuia1]

And if that Jesus dude did exist 2000 years ago and was living in a time like ours of tv cameras, media, social media, magazines etc could you imagine journalists from all over the world descending on him and sticking a camera and a microphone in front of him and telling him, ok dude, lets see you walk on water, lets see you turn water to wine, lets get your mother and ask her some questions toward she didn't have sex to give you birth. It's just that if this Jesus dude did exist it was 2000 years ago and we can't put his feet to the fire and ask him to prove his sh_t.

[@eduardopena5893]

Nobody cares what you think or "accept." It holds just as much value as somebody else saying that they don't accept evolution because of all the extraordinary magical claims it makes.

[@SushanthSomayaji]

He could also have been a scam artist like L Ron Hubbard or Joseph Smith.

[@zap...]

The Bible is a compilation of ancient comic books.

[@modernenglishman7802]

And not very good ones.

[@zerothehero26]

Every sentence this caller makes demonstrates he does not have a single clue what the words he is using mean.

[@Mewse1203]

He definitely doesn't understand the word "independent."

[@deedeskin2439]

Biblical brainwashing strikes again!😵‍💫 I got out of Christianity almost 20 years ago, never looked back!

[@Furry-ousNews]

They dont seem to be able to seperate fiction from reality @.@

[@happyninja42]

that's pretty much the definition of a theist, so yeah.

[@gregsimmons694]

Mental matt the fool! Should do a comedy tour for atheists! Call it the tour of fools! Matt probably thinks a stork put the first humans on earth! Lmao. Still time to repent matt! Jesus saves sinners

[@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279]

They are LARPing without being aware that they are.

[@przebrak6441]

I think that the biggest issue is that theists avoid the logic that the claim that someone was a superhero is diffrent from a claim that someone simply was. There is no problem in assuming that there was a man who claimed to be a son of god. The issue begins with the magic stuff. We require evidence for magic stuff not for 'there was a man'. And they go: There was a man because people wrote about him in books -> thus he is magic -> thus god.

[@WeeleyTube]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you mention healing the sick or walking on water, virgin birth or coming back to life being impossible, they don't see any problem with it. Only the son of god could do that, despite not scientific evidence that any of that is possible, add in the fact almost all religions have the same virgin birth nonsense at the core. It's genuinely like banging your head on a brick wall.

[@zachrichardson5581]

Exactly. They fail to see the tremendous leap from "a guy was born in the Jerusalem, traveled around gathering a following while preaching doomsday stuff/heresy and then was eventually murdered for that heresy to "yea he also performed miracles and he's the son of God". The amount of differce in those two statements is huge and require vastly different levels of evidence. The magic is the part we don't agree with.

[@przebrak6441]

Yes 100% agreed. Lets say that we have to decide if Plato was a person in the real world. I have no problem to accept it. If someone says dude... There was no Plato but many smart people that created many diffrent stuff that was described to one person. Okey. No problem. I can read about it and it does not influence my life. If someone says Plato was just fiction for inspire something. - sure, that still is something logical that could be. But if you claim that Plato was an alien/ a bunch of cats in human suit/ undead necromancer and so on. Then the problem begins. Theists don't recognize that people don't have even evidence that Jesus was real. He could be simply a story of a hero that was a collection of diffrent stories. We have such stories. Like lets say Hercules and his amazing godlike adventures. The diffrence is that some charecters are non-magical. And making a historical claim for non-magical people is not so... Bizzare.

[@gregsimmons694]

Mental matt, demented dave and tricky ricky should all go on a comedy tour for atheists and call it the 3 stooges ! Time to get a new gig atheists/ mental matt ! The holy bible and dean odles biblical flat earth presentation destroys mental matts/ atheists nonsense! Only the name of Jesus christ of Nazareth sets people free of demonic possession! Stop drop and roll won't work in hell mental matt! Jesus saves sinners!

[@paulgemme6056]

People wrote about George Washington, maybe he didn't really exist. Did you ever meet him?

[@jankodes197]

Why argue about Jesus? The true Gods are obviously Odin and Thor, because they protected us from Frost giants. Do you see any Frost giants around? Don't think so. /s

[@stickman6628]

Yes I do ođin Thor and all the assier(sp?) Are jotun by blood few known norse giants were actually massive Thor was larger than tyrs parents it was more of a tribal difference the way I understand it I know you were joking but I couldn't help myself

[@A-WallfromAL]

Well I’m convinced. 😉

[@Patralgan]

No, the true god is obviously Primus

[@Midnight.Wisdom.]

​@@Patralgan The band? As in South Park theme Primus?

[@Patralgan]

@@Midnight.Wisdom. No. It's the God equivalent in the Transformers universe

[@scamchan]

I can totally believe in aliens before I can believe a GOD that is everywhere that knows everything but never shows up to do anything.

[@gregsimmons694]

Aliens and ufos are demonic! Wake up my friend! Deep space is fake! God made you! Jesus can save you! Time for mental matt to get a new gig! Holy bible and dean odles biblical flat earth presentation destroys mental matts/atheists nonsense! Jesus saves sinners

[@fmfdocbotl4358]

Being at sea in the navy, i know ive seen 🛸. Because in the middle of the ocean and the stuff out there i believe.

[@deedeskin2439]

"God" is too busy playing golf with His billionaire buddies in the Bahamas to give a $h!t about anyone else.

[@eduardopena5893]

You don't know that God isn't doing anything.

[@scamchan]

@@eduardopena5893 We all do!! Check the hospitals and the jails. For all the people GOD isn't healing and all the people that GOD refuses to stop doing crimes against people he claims to love. All this in over 2000+ years GOD is everywhere watching and taking no actions of love.

[@Fishmorph]

If you had 12 friends who saw Avengers: Endgame, and they all tried to describe the movie to you, does that mean the events of Endgame happened? Or does that mean that *someone telling the story* happened? There’s a difference between witnessing a real event and witnessing someone tell a story.

[@GreenRevenant1515]

When it comes to people who believe you can prove the Bible by using the Bible I wonder what they would say to someone who says they can prove the the Tipitaka (buddhism’s holy book) by useing the Tipitaka or one can prove the Vedas (Hindu holy books) by using the Vedas. Or for that matter prove Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health (scientologies de facto holy book) by using Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. The hypothetical defenders of the above books are using the same reason as those that believe they can prove the Bible by using the Bible.

[@happyninja42]

we know exactly what they would say. they would be skeptical, and claim that there is no source of evidence to actually back up those claims for those books. they all are guilty of special pleading for their own magical sky daddy book.

[@seantremmel186]

Buddhism doesn’t have a holy book lol. The Tripitaka is the three baskets of teachings (moral code, practice instructions, and psychology). Also - it’s literally do this meditation and see what happens. Did that happen? Yes? Cool. It’s true. Did it not happen? Cool. It’s not true. So, maybe don’t try to make other people look stupid by using examples that make you look stupid. lol.

[@fmfdocbotl4358]

spiderman exists because of the spiderman books...and man exists and spiders exists. makes more sense than their god

[@eduardopena5893]

Or somebody that claims that they can prove science by using science..................yeah, you didn't think about that, did you?

[@happyninja42]

@@eduardopena5893 .....lol....are you kidding? or are you being serious with that idiotic bullshit.

[@nyclear]

Ever notice women generally dont call in here?

[@Mewse1203]

It's definitely more men, but you do get women.

[@sloporion]

There are a few explanations for that: 1) Most religions treat women as secondary or lesser than men. As such, many theist women have a feeling of modesty/don't feel as comfortable when it comes to arguing. If you were told from the moment you existed that you were the cause of all evil, as Genesis would have you believe, chances are you're less likely to grow up with confidence to defy others. Again, it DOES happen, but it's rarer. 2) Women, in general, are not as likely to argue online/over the phone with strangers. It's why comments sections are mostly dudes arguing with each other as well. 3) Host gender and personality tend to draw in similar people. When it's a woman or even a man who is more amicable (like Forrest), you tend to see more women callers. 4) let's be honest, men tend to have much dumber ideas than women, and people love to see idiots get smacked down. So, the screeners probably put through a lot more idiots than regular people (even though we do all still enjoy real honesty in callers, it's definitely more fun seeing dishonest douchebags get put in their place.

[@exaucemayunga22]

Believers always double down on faith no matter how many times they're shown to be wrong.

[@philsherrer]

Indoctrination

[@drewdrake9130]

It's a shield to protect their beliefs from scrutiny

[@exaucemayunga22]

@drewdrake9130 it's like "yeah you kept showing that I am ignorant about every argument I tried to bring up; but what about this other argument that I haven't brought up yet?"🤣🤣

[@eduardopena5893]

Bill Nye admitted science has to be accepted on faith in a debate with Ken Hamm. True story.

[@exaucemayunga22]

@@eduardopena5893 I don't even know what you mean by that tbh

[@nuclearsimian3281]

"In 100 years, people can say the Holocaust wasn't real, [like they do about the bible!]" Except...we have thousands of independent sources dating back to basically the exact time it happened, that all tell basically the same exact story with differences being subtle, but important. We have not just a handful of firsthand accounts, but more than we know what to do with by not just the victims, from the perpetrators as well.

[@joemiller7082]

The attestation itself written by the *actual* witness goes a long way.

[@RazgrizXMG0079]

Not to mention we have fucking photos

[@gregsimmons694]

Time to wake up my friend! Mental matt is a fool! Look in the mirror if you don't know what a sinner looks like! Mental matt forgot to tell his followers that you need a creator to make the created! God made you! Only the name of Jesus christ of Nazareth from the holy Bible can set a demonic possessed person free! Jesus saves sinners

[@Ben-no4lz]

@@joemiller7082 Which the Bible doesn’t have.

[@joemiller7082]

@@Ben-no4lz yes. That’s my point.

[@reneejones6330]

The books of the New Testament are not independent sources.

[@jackjohnson5592]

Yes, it is.

[@RoderickEtheria]

No, the gospels built on one another, and weren't written in the days of the events claimed.

[@joemiller7082]

They are, but just because they’re “independent” doesn’t make em true.

[@cy-one]

@@joemiller7082 They are not independent, though, that's the thing. They're written by people *inside the in-group* to further the goals of the *in-group.* That's not independent.

[@RoderickEtheria]

@@joemiller7082 They use parts of the other books to write their accounts. This means they are not independent.

[@XAVIERCUERVO]

i would pull my own hair until it hurts 5 minutes intto a conversation with this guy and his ''logic'' you two are saints the amount of '' god given '' patience you posses is commendable

[@benjaminbauer3935]

I really appreciated the callers willingness to own his potential biases and the hosts willingness to help the caller at each step of his honest exploration on why he thinks he is using the same standard of evidence in his religious beliefs as in his day to day life.

[@gregsimmons694]

Hello Ben! Time to wake up! If you don't know what a sinner looks like! Look in the mirror! Jesus saves sinners and fools like you and mental matt! Matt doesn't tell his fool followers that only the name of Jesus christ of Nazareth from the holy Bible can set a demonic possessed person free! Stop drop and roll won't work in hell Ben! Jesus saves sinners

[@238Hero238]

Matt: "I interrupt too, it's not a big deal." Oh gods, that's why he's talking so much about alien abductions! He got abducted and replaced with an alien!!!1!

[@gregsimmons694]

Aliens and ufos are demonic! Wake up folks! Mental matt is a fool! Use that brain God gave you! Jesus saves sinners like you!

[@ominouscalm]

Came to see roast Bleef®️. Not disappointed. Carry on.

[@KasperKatje]

Even if we would grant that the gospels were written by the claimed writers it would be very strange Matthew and Luke copied huge parts of Mark. That would mean at least 2 of the 4 gospels weren't individual "attestations" which would weaken the claim. Let alone the fact there are 4 versions of Mark 16 with a total of 3 different empty tomb/resurrection stories!

[@SecretGerms]

grant, not “grand”.

[@defenestratefalsehoods]

He don't seem to understand that the story of the Holocaust don't have somebody walking on water and a lot of supernatural stuff

[@timfallon8226]

So true. The big H was a post WW2 excercise in propaganda designed to demonise the National socialists and thereby justify the long term occupation of Germany by US troops.

[@landsgevaer]

Plus we have the remains of destruction camps, we have survivors, we have pictures, we have mass graves, we have documentation of what went on. We have *verifiable evidence* for the Holocaust.

[@A-WallfromAL]

Good point. And I bet there are quasi-supernatural stories about the people involved. We just don’t treat those as factual just because we know facts about the Holocaust.

[@Mewse1203]

Not only that, but I'm not sure he understands what the term independent means...

[@powbobs]

The Nazis themselves documented the holocaust. They were very proud of their horrific actions. They filmed and Photographed it.

[@matthew6427]

True. It's sad & wild that people dismiss the evidence though. I remember hearing about the "information age" we're supposed to be living in. Rn, it feels like it's going to go down in the history books as the "disinformation age". People believe whatever nonsense they want to believe, damn the evidence.

[@gregsimmons694]

Jesus saves sinners like you and I!

[@matthew6427]

@@gregsimmons694 cool story bro. It almost sounds exactly like the thousands of other myths that mankind has invented 🤷‍♂️😘

[@powbobs]

@@gregsimmons694 No it doesn’t.

[@sloporion]

​@@gregsimmons694cool, so I can sin all I want and don't have to worry about it!

[@terminusest5902]

People can have an internal bias that limits their understanding. Partly this can be due to a lack of internal honesty. People tend to believe what they want to believe. Many people develop their lives around religion and can not gain an external view. Proof against faith can be distressing for some people. Religion often fails to develop critical thinking skills.

[@jccarranza96]

According to the book, humanity was created some 4k years before the coming of Jesus. Why, oh why could gawd not just wait another couple thousand years, knowing that man would have created better ways of recording evidence??? 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@lmnop1022]

It seems curious that God would author a book, transmit it to the minds of men, who would then transcribe by hand what they received, make copies by hand of those transcriptions, make copies of the copies by hand, translate and transcribe the copies by hand into several languages, form committees to decide what to keep and throw out, and then interpret what remains 10,000 different ways.

[@hherrie3tuoepiw]

And even more curious that after doing that, god gets mad at man for having the wrong copies and interpretations

[@timg7627]

…and even more curious is how this god sent himself to earth yet instead of dedicating his early life to transcribing or writing an accurate coherent message which would become the bible he decides being a carpenter is more important.

[@andreasplosky8516]

Using a fantasy story to prove that the fantasy story is true is the most ridiculous thing ever. There would be no end to it. All fairy tales would suddenly become true, because they are in a book and telling you that "Once upon a time...."

[@gregsimmons694]

I love mental matts fantasy stories! Matt should go on an atheist comedy tour for fools! Jesus saves sinners and fools like you and mental matt!

[@sloporion]

There have been multiple different books by multiple different authors that have taken place over decades. Each of them have some differences, but overall we can look at the similarities in the books and establish that a few things are true. There is a man named Peter Parker. He lives in New York City. He was bit by a spider. It granted him special abilities that most humans do not have. We know this to be true, because another group of people who would benefit from people not supporting him also wrote about him (DC/Marvel crossover events). Therefore, because there are multiple attestations, some of which come from people who would benefit from him not existing, we can confirm that Marvel comics are true and that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. This is what this argument sounds like.

[@martinelzen5127]

They don't want to believe what they don't want to believe. You can lead a horse to water...

[@freddan6fly]

Nope.

[@tedgrant2]

How many independent sources report that Peter walked on water ? (Matthew 14:29)

[@MarC-te4he]

The bible is just a book of fanfic.

[@ericcraig3875]

10 years and this guy cannot make a single obscure point that makes any sense at all. He is either in lying denial or totally insane.

[@dimitrioskalfakis]

caller compared scripture to 'historical' 'attestations'. how cute!

[@gregsimmons694]

Atheists seem to have trouble telling what a sinner looks like, I will help you look in the mirror! Jesus saves sinners and fools like mental matt the fool

[@Cutface141]

People actually have demonstrated that Google alters their algorithm for things

[@maynardlikethecandy5347]

Sorta like a human brain altering itself so that pro god claims are seen as reasonable and true, while anti god claims seem unreasonable, and false.

[@eq2092]

7:12 the example he picked makes him suspect.

[@ronwhitehouse23]

All medieval battle's had HERALDS present to witness the event and furthermore to attest to the events, and record that the rules of knighthood were followed.

[@arieswar4770]

The Bible is a great fictional book ;-)

[@modernenglishman7802]

I was told it was "The greatest story ever told.". Personally, I think Lord of the Rings, The Harry Potter series, and The Stand are, by far, better stories. Maybe people hyped up the bible so much, disappointment was inevitable.

[@eklektikTubb]

"You cannot be too skeptical" - Well, what if two skeptics are in a disagreement whether the presented evidence is sufficient or not? Isnt the one who thinks it is insufficient more skeptical than the one who thinks it is sufficient? 🤔

[@NotBatman47]

I commend this guy for attempting to have an honest conversation. You don’t see that happen a lot.

[@powbobs]

He isn’t though.

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

Of course Vishnu exists, the Vedas says so!

[@carolinenagel7085]

According to Wikipedia Flavius Josephus was born in 37 CE in Jerusalem.

[@ChristopherGranning-tj3pf]

Scripture is the premise & one cannot use a premise as evidence of their premise....duh.....

[@jerrycallender-qm7zr]

Yes, the bible IS a physical book of fairie tales one can hold, flip thru or use to squash a spider.

[@defenestratefalsehoods]

He just really need to go through the bible and match it to a timeline then compare it to proven history. Start with the large meteor strike that caused the ice age. Where is that in the bible? known and proven to have happened

[@joeely6817]

God picked a poor time to reveal himself. Had he known better he would have shown himself today at the minimum where we have much better records that can be traced to sources.

[@ericcraig3875]

The same way most Atheist jesus apologist KZbinrs argue for a historical jesus.

[@Garyskinner2422]

Masterclass in logical, rational, sceptical thinking from Matt.

[@Wes-x9p]

Indoctrination masturbation.

[@robertschriek1353]

Its hard to shake off indoctrination

[@johnsperry9494]

The god I believe in is Thor. I worship him by getting hammered. 😆

[@linrepboras]

Circular reasoning is quite common comming from theists, the argument “I believe the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true” does not make any sense to a atheist, it's like "that piece of rock prooves creation by being there." Basic problem must be - somewhere - that theists simply cant understand the concept of atheism and it being a individual/personal position rather then some kind of organised and controlled collection of people. Assume this coming from the theists being a part of a group (congregation) with identical faith and religious identity. As a atheist i dont identify with all other atheists, i might agree with them regarding the god position but they might have other views on other things i dont like or agree with. Actually never discussed faith through my (very soon) 65 years old life but could be living in Sweden, a very secular country.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

Its like proving the defendant is guilty by reading the prosecutors charge sheet. No evidence required. Simple.

[@Not_An_EV]

In the Darren Shan series cirque du freak the book tells us that everything that happened is real and true so therefore cirque du freak proves the bible wrong.

[@Wes4T2D]

Its crazy that there's actual repeat theist callers, these people are obviously gluttons for punishment.

[@shiftingperception]

This "all-knowing" god wasn't smart enough to give us undeniable proof of his existence... Enough said.

[@paulross6727]

I'm proving Hogwarts is true using Harry Potter.

[@dustinjacks9087]

"A 100 years from now you cant tell the holocaust happened" He didnt even realize its only a few years away...

[@eduardopena5893]

Then the converse should also be a stunning rebuke, "I can prove science is true, using science."

[@eduardopena5893]

@ASDvegatheist And even when proven wrong, science still claims a victory and keep their current theories afloat.

[@Garyskinner2422]

@@eduardopena5893 When science is proven wrong ,how does it still claim a victory? Specifically pls elucidate, from my understanding science can and does shift its understanding via new data. Science isn't dogmatic it learns and isn't afraid to adjust its models. After all science never tries to prove itself right ,rather it tries to prove itself wrong ,only when it can't it sticks to the current model.

[@eduardopena5893]

@@Garyskinner2422 I will point to several studies: "Scientists Turn Dinosaur Scale into a Feather." There are so many things wrong with this one. This was the claim made. And the study actually reveals that first, it wasn't a dinosaur scale, it was a reptile's. Lastly, they didn't turn it into any kind of feather at all, not a modern feather that birds have, or the wooly, fluffy kind that prehistoric dinosaurs with feathers had. What they actually did is discover that a feather and a scale both have keratin in them, and that this MUST mean that one evolved from the other. Included in the study was a claim that, and I quote, "Scientists think they found a sort of key that may act as some sort of switch that could have allowed a scale turn into a feather." Well, that's a far cry from turning a scale into a feather now, isn't it? The other one will be the one brought up in the Hovind vs. "Professor" Dave debate where Dave claims that (Venter?) created life from non life in a lab. Well, we all know that wasn't true, even Kent knew it and said what really happened. He took something that was living, and another thing that was living, and transplanted one part of a previously living thing into the other. That isn't creating life from non life. The fossilized remains of Lucy were faked. They were assembled incorrectly and many of the bones were made up of tiny fragments and then "recreated" with plaster to make the whole bone. Lucy also contained bones that didn't belong to her. Scientists claim that humans and gorillas share 90-95%+ of the same DNA. Well, how can that be if only about 60% of the DNA code has been decoded? These are just a few examples.

[@freddan6fly]

@@eduardopena5893 Why are you lying?

[@eduardopena5893]

@@Garyskinner2422 So if it changes what it previously said was a fact, it would turn out that the previously stated fact...was wrong. Thanks for playing. Science never claims it is right? "Follow the science." "If you deny climate change, you are denying Science!" Even though there are PLENTY of scientists that deny climate change as it is presented.

[@noahbodycares3005]

I think Jonathan was a great caller.

[@johnthomas753]

The contrast between talking about aliens versus Jesus is at the end of it no one is threatening your soul with eternal damnation :)

[@MrMarco855]

@john Aliens aren't promising eternal bliss in God's Kingdom of Heaven either. The threat you speak of is no more than the threat of the death penalty or life in prison here in this life if you break man's law. It's no more than what a helpless, innocent infant goes through when murdered by its own mother in the womb. Reward is meaningless if it's not accompanied by the possibility of consequences.

[@powbobs]

He’s so dishonest.

[@thesuitablecommand]

I could collect stories about Santa. They could all come from different authors from different countries from different times. It would be a compendium of Santa stories, all independently written about the same person performing the same magical feats. Does this mean that a jolly fat man flies around the world once a year eating cookies and delivering gifts to good boys and girls? Clearly not. All it means is that there was a popular story about such a character, and that many people from many cultures were aware of the story. Perhaps they were inspired by a real person, but given the fantastical elements of the story that dont seem to reflect anything in reality, the stories no longer reflect actual history.

[@martinpappaterra1738]

I respect your intellect, Matt. However Josephus was born in 37CE . He fought as a general of the Jewish rebels against Rome but was captured and enslaved by Vaspasian, then a Roman general, who later became emperor. He was subsequently freed and collaborated with the Romans. His history, The Jewish War, was written around 75CE. You are correct that he was not a witness to Jesus.

[@jesterc.6763]

According to christian mythology, god can do anything. Nothing is impossible for god. So why can't god upload a youtube video to demonstrate his existence?

[@fmfdocbotl4358]

hes to busy answering prayers for the nba games lol

[@eduardopena5893]

You can't question God. But, if evolution is real, why can't you upload a video of you creating life from non life?

[@jesterc.6763]

@eduardopena5893 shifting the burden of proof. Typical theist move. Hey buddy, if you shouldn't question god, then how did people come to know him anyway?

[@eduardopena5893]

@@jesterc.6763 I am not shifting anything. Just because you can't answer questions because you know you're wrong isn't my fault, that's yours. I don't question God. How did people come to know him? Through Jesus Christ and the Bible. Have any more stupid questions?

[@eduardopena5893]

@@jesterc.6763 I am not shifting anything. You threw down a challenge for God and tried to use that as a slam dunk. I threw down a similar challenge to you to prove how silly your proposal was, knowing that you can't do it, nor can anyone else. I don't question God. How did people come to know him? Through Jesus Christ and the Bible. Have any more silly questions?

[@F38U]

The Silmarillion proves the lord of the rings

[@Shiftarus]

To be fair, its pretty hard to prove science is correct without using science 😂

[@matthew6427]

Well, we could always skip the science and just use the books too 🤷‍♂️ It just doesn't make sense to do so.

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

The difference is science is falsifiable

[@sloporion]

Science isn't a claim, it's a method for investigating claims.

[@johnfox9169]

Most of the Bible is story-telling with little facts contained within. Some of the writings are downright deranged and delusional.

[@MrMarco855]

@johnfox Things can be factual whether believed or not. You'd have to have verification to claim something isn't factual, just as atheists ask for proof of God's existence. The Bible states many things as facts, if you challenge those things and declare them to be false, you take on the burden of providing evidence. It's one thing to say you're not certain or you doubt the sincerity of something, but you're making an emphatic allegation and what is that based upon?

[@terminusest5902]

What is the reason for religion? Historically. Not Christianity. Humans had thousands of religions before Christianity. Why is religion.? Why does a god demand worship? Why should I worship any god. It is rational to be sceptical to be any religion.

[@freddan6fly]

There is an evolutionary advantage on the savannah, to imagine dangers. Because the one that imagine a lion where there were no lion survived, and the one that didn't imagine a lion where there were a lion didn't survive.

[@futureboy7653]

The fact that her legal defense crowdfunding page was taken down is wild.

[@gfoog3911]

Whose?

[@badatheist9948]

Does this caller realize that 75% of mathew is copied from mark and about 50 in luke. And luke admits he s getting from third parties. this person, can not accept his position is not logical.

[@Lightbearer616]

I think maybe yes. I proved Orcs were real using The Lord Of The Rings. Or is this argument flawed somewhere?

[@robwright8949]

Why the f*ck is the ACA still using Matt videos?

[@joemiller7082]

Because people watch them, and they want people to watch videos.

[@5555522255555]

For God's sake, read another book, read ANY other book!

[@TontonPourquoiTuGlousses]

Harry Potter is also true then, so is the Hobbit and the universe of Game of Throne.

[@zhontac6194]

BS, the animorphs are real, and when the andalites come, they will destroy this planet and end the yeerk menace forever!

[@James-ye7rp]

Winnie The Pooh was based on a Real Bear. Does this mean, according to your logic, the cartoon Winnie the Pooh in the storybooks is real, and can talk, and lives in ........?

[@nyclear]

There are no mentions of jesus in the talmud

[@terminusest5902]

The holocausts was well documented by the Germans themselves. Cases were made in multinational courts with information and witnesses from many nations and very well documented. In multiple languages. The bibles was largely documented in Greek which was not even the Jewish language. And many of the witnesses were not well documented. Romans were actually very good at keeping written records. But extremely little supports earl Chrisianity.

[@shahidraza314]

Matt is just a kid. He is loosing it.

[@Fairburne69]

Why do theists like the gentleman caller in this video maintain their beliefs despite the good reasons for leaving said religion? They talked about societal influence is a good one but I would ask a theist. How does being a theist make you feel? How do you think being an atheist would make you feel? If you were an atheist would you lose hope? Do you think depression would creep in? Maybe suicidal thoughts? Would life be meaningless if there is no God? The psychological damage religion does to people makes it very difficult to leave. The reason why organizations like Recovering From Religion exist is also the reason why so many people remain in religion.

[@djehutisundaka7998]

Y'shw (not Yeshua) was not a rabbi. Contrary to the gospel claims, there were no rabbis prior to the beginning of Rabbinic Judaism. Science DOES NOT show that alien life is incredibly likely or probable. Thus, it is by no means improbable that life only exists on this rock. Science shows a single tree of life. That means that science only shows a single abiogenesis event to have taken place in the one place in the universe we know life to exist. That means that under whatever conditions to have existed at the moment of abiogenesis, it had only allowed for abiogenesis to happen once, not multiple times. A ONE-TIME CHANCE EVENT IS BY NO MEANS AN INCREDIBLE LIKELIHOOD! A one-time event indicates a snowflake event. No two snowflakes are exactly alike. The conditions for forming snowflakes are all the same but no snowflake has ever formed that was exactly identical to another snowflake. The history of replication errors that had brought a non-living self-replicating molecule to the event of abiogenesis had not been repeated in any other self-replicating molecule including the sister molecule that the abiogenesis molecule had split from. Regardless of all of the conditions that had existed for facilitating the genesis of life, abiogenesis had been one-time genetic event that had nothing to do with causation from environmental conditions. THAT IS WHAT SCIENCE SHOWS. A one-time genetic event that had required a unique genetic history in order to have been brought to that point is no more likely to occur anywhere else in the universe than it had been likely to occur again here on earth. The universe is not here for life and there's no reason that the universe should not be lifeless just as it once had been far longer than the life it has now and shall someday be again for far, far, longer than the life it has now shall survive. Sci-fi fantasies of alien life will never change the observable scientific facts pertaining to the improbability of abiogenesis. Outside of the earth, the observable universe is lifeless and there's absolutely no reason that the rest of the unobservable universe shouldn't be just as lifeless. Reality doesn't care for our desire to not be alone.

[@thomaswigfield7623]

Jeremy, Peter, Mark, Timothy, repent of your nonsense and become a new person in reality.

[@climbon3157]

So still trying to get paid off Matt's hard work? 😂 this is why I unsubbed from you and AXP. You all have no morals.

[@sceptictakeout6809]

Thanks for commenting and improving our algorithm

[@paulgemme6056]

If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Fear controls the atheists; they are afraid to admit they are sinners in need of God's Grace and Mercy (that's called pride - God resists the proud but gives Grace to the humble). We are born sinners; we do not have to teach a child how to do wrong/sin/lie. We have to teach them that lying is not a good thing, it is wrong/sinful. Children lie/sin to cover up their wrongdoing. Born with the capability to do so. Jesus Christ is our only hope. Our Living hope. Atheists, the world and the devil (Satan) offer no hope. Only trust, faith in Christ Jesus gives hope, peace, joy. To know him is eternal life. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.

[@A-WallfromAL]

If you say that fear controls the atheist, you are a liar and the truth is not in you because you cannot know what is in another person’s thoughts.

[@paulgemme6056]

@@A-WallfromAL God/Jesus Christ knows everyone them. What is in the heart/mind of a man comes out of his mouth. We can tell what a man is thinking by what comes out of his mouth. When a man says there is no God/Jesus Christ I know he is lost because he does not know the truth (Jesus Christ). Born again believers know God/Jesus Christ because we are born of the Spirit (Holy Spirit). Christ Jesus is our only hope in this evil/sinful/corrupt world. The only one we can put our trust/faith in for salvation.

[@drewdrake9130]

I've only ever heard what you just said from other humans, and they never present any direct evidence for their claims. Do you think such things should be accepted without direct evidence?

[@A-WallfromAL]

@@paulgemme6056 Then you just contradicted yourself, bro. If what comes out of the mouth is what is in the mind/heart, then nonbelievers (not all of us are atheists) aren’t controlled by fear. We have given our reasons for disbelief - you aren’t listening or you don’t care to listen. If you think we’re lying, just say it. Don’t put this on God.

[@Ben-no4lz]

No, that’s what you Believe based on what a Story says.

[@rbwinn3]

Truth is eternal and will stand on its own. Those who believe in the power of lies will put their faith in never having their lies exposed. Just because there is more than one truth in the Bible does not mean that the Bible can never be used. It just means that atheists are not going to like the Bible.

[@JeffMiller1984]

The Bible can never be used for what?

[@joemiller7082]

You can use the Bible for a lot of things. In addition to it’s entertainment value, you can just it to prop up a table, or lean another book against…

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

Do you believe that donkeys can talk?

[@drewdrake9130]

Is that why the reward which is promised can only be obtained after you're dead?

[@rbwinn3]

@@JeffMiller1984 We like to read the Bible. I know how wrong that must seem to atheists.

[@MrMarco855]

Dear atheists: the same thing is true for many things we've been taught and believe in. Did Columbus land on these shores in 1492? Atheists believe that, based solely on the story told by Columbus, or maybe there was no Columbus? It's only written in a book. All other accounts are based upon the original, but there were no eyewitnesses, other than a few of his men but they had the same reason to lie as he did. Or maybe nobody lied except the original author of the Columbus fairy tale? There are no native American witness stories documented and authenticated..................................... I'll even bet some of you naive atheists believe that we landed on the moon.

[@drewdrake9130]

If an individual accepted something on bad evidence, does it make it correct when another person does it?

[@MrMarco855]

@@drewdrake9130 Who decides what the standard for good/bad evidence is?

[@Gwaithmir]

Did Columbus land on these shores in 1492? No! Columbus never landed on the shores of North America. Come up with a better argument.

[@MrMarco855]

@@Gwaithmir It's not an argument, it's an inquiry. Why do atheists believe anything they're read or been taught from a book? Do atheists seek multiple layers of verification re: the many other things throughout history they've read about, heard about or been taught? It seems an obvious question.

[@Ben-no4lz]

Do any of the claims about Columbus include Supernatural Events or him having Magic Powers? No - so they are already far more plausible than any of the claims about Jesus.

[@doveseye.4666]

I can prove God and show you, yourself the truth which will come upon you, in that way you will not be able to deny and we will witness a new you by going through the original Word(going through means from one side to the other)and Jesus came to witness truth on mass but failed, whence the truth is upon you by eating the flesh or drinking the blood(flesh in water)of the original Word, fall in love with this enlightenment and share It as truth with your neighbours are commands 1, 2 and 3 complete and if the original Word is one, first mentioned and with Him as second mentioned so is two of them now and if you went through the two of them being third mention makes you three and than is that not the Trinity? 1+1=2+1=3 in 1 God said you are a God.

[@seannelson3613]

Yeah, that's what some of these people really sound like. It's sad. Tough to see someone so engrossed in a fantasy that they can't escape.

[@doveseye.4666]

@@seannelson3613 only one person in 20+ years has ever answered my question correctly, what is the original Word? What sat on the earth’s crust making soil for everything to come, Christians say God spoke and miles of soil appeared in an instant or did the first thing there just get on with making lots of soil, slowly, really slowly and if from that thing then came organisms which had appendages which flailed about, pushing each other away with arms that acted like arms and legs that acted like legs and hair that moved sort of like hair, where we made in their image? What would happen if we ate a piece of the original Word? Earth’s crust either had this thing on it and could have been blown everywhere in the BigBang or did it come directly here?

[@philsherrer]

Cool, this "sounds" like Satanism or a derivative. Now what? You still have nothing but word salad.

[@doveseye.4666]

@@philsherrer why does everyone do this, read carefully, I have the original Word, I asked you what It was and instead of answer me you leave that blank and say word salad, why not ask what the original Word is like when did Jesus say He would return and why does God ask us to pray for water for the tender plant?

[@mikebrookens4439]

​@@doveseye.4666 "everyone does this" because you are not making grammatical, logical, contextual sense. You may be thinking logically in your head, but you are not doing a good job of communicating over text. Your comments do not follow consistent grammatical structure. You do not use enough punctuation. You are using run-on sentences. We can't get a feel for what you are even trying to say at all. That is what we call word salad. If you want to have an honest conversation, stop trying to sound profound and just speak like you would to somebody on the street. State your claim, give the necessary supporting evidence and arguments, and then we will try to address it. Alternatively ask a question and provide whatever necessary context. When you are done with that, go back and proofread your comments before hitting submit. Make sure things are grammatically correct so we can even understand what you are saying. It'll be probably best to start as simply as possible. Starting with a syllogism would be a very good place. Don't have your comment be six different questions and claims. Pick one thing. For example, define "Word" as you are using it. I know you want to have some profound spiritual meaning but it doesn't mean anything to us. Give us the definition to work with so we can even talk about it.

[@MrChiddler]

I think what matt is missing here is that to the religious these are not extraordinary claims - and hence don't need extraordinary evidence. What the religious miss is the exact opposite of that