I CRINGE when gamers buy these...

Does Audiophile hardware make you a better gamer? Steelseries Arctis Pro vs Sennheiser HD 560S + Sound Blasterx G6.
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[@nashwalker7]

If you can’t tell the difference between a pair of hd660s and a pair of steel series, you don’t deserve to take advantage of sound. It’s funny how you will tweak your pc to get as much performance out of it as possible and yet you shit on audio. Just foolish. Each will give a good gamer minor enhancements. If you are bad at gaming it will not help at all.

[@YMCMBANGER313]

Sennheiser > Astro, Steelseries, Turtle Beach, Logitech, Hyperx, Corsair, and etc.

[@luizengrazia5169]

Sennheiser> any "gaming" headphone/headset

[@Snxgur]

@@luizengrazia5169sennheiser have some decent gaming branded headphones to be fair, but the HD800S blow everything out the water

[@justinw.7045]

beyerdynamic

[@Snxgur]

@@justinw.7045 Sennheiser> Beyer, but beyer dt990/1990 is the 2nd best behind Sen HD800s

[@luizengrazia5169]

@@Snxgur Tygr300r

[@NateFromIT]

I used to fall into the trap of buying $300 "gaming" headsets. It's all a gimmick. Switched to a good AMP DAC combo from Schiit and a decent audiophile headset and washed my hands of all my Logitech, and ASTRO crap.

[@ryanwilliams7666]

What Amp/Dac Combo do you have?

[@coastallab5526]

what you descibed as better "spatiality", is the passive soundstage, which is indeed better on open back headphones

[@NathanOakley1980]

Correct, I have a £30,000 audio setup and I play games in silence if I can. None of it helps.

[@couchpotato9268]

I am rocking HD660S and Schiit DAC/AMP combo and I can always hear everything before my friends do. I also used Sennheiser HD598 and some other "gaming brands" Astros A40/A50, Turtle Beach etc. I have never heard headphones sound as good as HD660S do in gaming. The best audio is just stereo headphones without any of the mixing bs "gaming headphones" companies do.

[@brazadr2186]

Haved the same headphone and cant said the same. What your windows settings.

[@couchpotato9268]

@@brazadr2186 Default windows settings. It also depends on your motherboard audio and if you are using a dac/amp. I bypass my motherboard audio since I am using Schiit dac that converts everything to stereo and sends it to my apm that gives the headphones more power than a motherboard would.

[@nashwalker7]

Hd 660s are simply amazing. Been using them since I sold my astros and hd58x.

[@Cuttlef15h]

It's your ears not the headphones or DAC. I run $4k Meze Elites.

[@YMCMBANGER313]

Sennheiser HD560s hand down the best headset for competitive gaming. No DAC needed. ASUS STRIX Motherboard. Very clear audio, the best directional audio. I can hear footsteps so far (it’s like wall hacks).

[@cjfromgtasanadreas]

In some games it worked, PUBG for example really needed compression cause the plane and gunshots were so goddamn loud compared to footsteps so it was a perfect change to use compression. This is how it worked, let's say gunshots were playing at -4db, the plane was at 0 db and the footsteps were playing at -10db. You use compression to get the plane and the gunshots to the same level the footsteps are at and then you adjust the gain (overall volume) so it's back to the point where you want everything to be cause compression will make it quieter. This is often used in music production, radio and movies, but in gaming it's usually useless so I don't recommend it, don't overthink, just play.

[@metaleater9]

I have an Sound Blaster Z and I can say that the effects of SBX settings are more apparent with an actual surround sound system. SBX Surround is actually really good at upmixing stereo sound to surround sound channels, It seems to only kick in when set to 33% with further upmixing at 66%. With headphones I believe its adjusting the delay between when your L/R headphone speakers, That delay is what your brain uses to distinguish sound sources. Crystallizer is something I just have set to what sounds good to me, I don't think does or is as dramatic of a setting as you made it out to be. Bass does exactly what it says it does, I have that set to what sounds good to me but this setting only works on headphones with speakers its greyed out. Smart Volume works at equalizing the volume between the loudest and quietest sounds, When I use this setting I just turn it to Night Mode as it works as advertised. Dialog+ does more than boost the sound spectrum where human voices are, It will move it to the center channel regardless of surround sound SBX or not. I have not tried Scout Mode but going from what I know it probably works better at least for some games than that sound blaster radar app.

[@ZombieRommel]

I use a Creative AE-7 paired with Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro's. Blows on-board sound out the water. Not because of the Creative software though (it's bad like you said). I just enable "Direct Mode" to use it as a DAC. Then I'm running that through an Atom amp (around $100). Using a custom EQ through Peace. Everything sounds great. Can never go back to on-board audio. It's like trying to go back to 30FPS games after experiencing 240hz.

[@tinleo333]

SCOUT MODE ON: the wind sound is now higher than gunshots buajajajajajaja

[@ivanmarinkovic]

Have you ever considered at all that it's not the headphones that are bad, but it's you who might be ignorant, so you did not even configure the headphones to use 3D spacial sound at all?

[@GavAttackO]

Hey Frame Chasers, if you do ever want to try this concept again, but with a setup priced closer to the Arctis Pro Wireless, try out the Sennheiser HD 58X Jubilee or HD 6XX with a FiiO K7 DAC/Amp. Whilst at current pricing is higher than what the Arctis Pro costs, it should in theory bring a much better gaming and music experience in comparison to the Steelseries. The FiiO K7 outclasses the SoundBlaster device by a long shot, and the HD 58X Jubilee and HD 6XX should be a walk in the park compared to the Arctis Pros and HD 560S. The difference between the 6XX and the 58X is simply that the 6XX are more neutral and have a wider soundstage and better imaging compared to the 58X but it comes at the cost of a higher power requirement. Alternatively if you don't want to dive too deep into the audiophile side of things, maybe try the Epos PC38X headphones instead. The Sound Blaster should be enough to power them, and it comes with a microphone that mutes when you push it up.

[@andreaorlandi2351]

hello, first of all you are number one, from how you expose the facts I fell in love hahah second, I have the astro a40 with mixamp, I would like to switch to the new artic pro, do you recommend them or is it a useless upgrade? Thanks in advance

[@Nukerunin]

I've been using a pair of Sennheiser HD660S with a Fostex HP-A4BL balanced DAC AMP. Custom Balanced XLR cable that costs more than most gamers' headsets. Been about 3 years, wouldn't trade them for anything. It won't change much in games though unless the game has an actual Hi-fi or Lossless Audio option ingame. Then it's quite pleasant at high volume. But for music and shows? It's a godsend. It sucked having to replace much of my music library with Lossless FLAC. I still haven't come close to completely converting it 3 years later cause I'm lazy. Another thing that sucked was the process of finding the right Balanced cable. Originally I used a cheaper custom cable, but it was made with heavy AF paracord. Then I tried some lighter weight ones that said they weighed the same as Sennheiser reference cable, but I immediately noticed my gain levels dropped so that was a no go. Then I went big and got the uber cable that's lighter than reference AND sounds as good as the super heavy paracord one. Learned the hard way that cable weight is the difference between comfort and misery and they're not all created equally when it comes to audio quality. I don't expect gamers to invest in this kind of stuff though. It's very pricey. I probably spent about $1000 on the cans + dac/amp and another $400 finding the right Balanced XLR cable for me. For that price, they can just get a badass GPU or CPU. On the bright side, the setup for my hardware was easy AF. I didn't have to do anything except press a button on my DAC/AMP to boost the Gain and that's it. No tweaking or tinkering necessary. I even have a button that lets me instantly switch between speakers and my headphones plugged into the DAC/Amp. Just have to remember to lower volume before switching to speakers so they don't explode. The only tweaking I had to do was in Foobar2000 downloading the right plugins and selecting the right one for listening to music which takes seconds.

[@philow4021]

Fostex hp-a4 is still great

[@fahimishungry5865]

I think you might have something wrong with yours tbh. Fresh reviews is a YTer who’s a former Apex Pred player on Apex and a former professional csgo player. He said these are one of the best headphones there is for footsteps. And he’s actually really good on games like Apex and valorant. He used to main these headphones but now he mains the 900 x pro. Those are a little better than these

[@kimjongpoontv69]

I have the 560s running into my dx3 pro, and it is immaculate for gaming. Imaging and soundstage are fantastic.

[@davidrollerson2240]

Steelseries suck for fps games it's the dac helps that's it. Open back headset like dt 990 Pro or even astro a40 are way way better than Steelseries for fps games astro a50 have the same problem as Steelseries closed headsets suck for audio directions. Don't no what you are missing till you get a good Open back headset.

[@kimjongpoontv69]

@@davidrollerson2240 Epos H6 Pro, HD 560s, Tygr 300R best budget for FPS, VZR Model One best closed back and best overall for FPS and good for music. I agree the Nova pros had more of a consumer tune to them. Definately more favorable towards console gamers only if it comes with the DAC.

[@BravenTyler]

This guy is a clown don't listen to his videos. Fresh is a former pro and his gameplay speaks for itself, this guy isnt. The 560s is made for critical listening, details and all, this guy doesn't know anything at all.

[@Omar_ZX]

900 pro x*

[@danielarmero9788]

If I wanted to buy a headset just to play warzone and have the best sound stage and imaging to listen steps, which would you recommend, arctis nova pro wireless, arctis nova pro wired, arctis pro wireless, arctis pro wired, sennheisser hd 660S or some other headset?

[@AronHallan]

I bought fidelios X2HR under $100 on a cyber monday 3 years ago and i'm happy since, i use it mainly with onboard audio because of the mic, i also have a budget speaker amp from Topping with headphone amplifier that i use when i'm not using discord with a buddy and the audio is barely better than onboard.

[@Paulrus10]

Do you leave your Arctis headset on default in the steelseries engine or use one of the profiles like immersion for games like Apex?

[@joebee1459]

Have a similar issue with the beyerdynamic dt770s just picked up. Can def hear footsteps better in them, but directionally is an issue. To me, it's better than flat out just not hearing em like with A40s. Not that you don't hear them at all on the A40s but they have to be about up your ass before you hear anyone.

[@tylerm2093]

I know this is old but what’s your opinion on equalizer apo and autoeq?

[@Kingtroll38]

What do you think about these Acer Predator Apallo ram sticks on Amazon. 3600 2x8 cl14? Says they're B die

[@OmarDaily]

I go down this rabbit hole ALLLLLL the time, I love audio. If you want a good gaming headset, it has to have great imaging, somewhat decent soundstage and no sound processing to delay your audio. I would recommend to use either Stereo or Window’s native Dolby Atmos for headphones integration (paid license) especially for Warzone.

[@OmarDaily]

One last thing… Sound quality doesn’t matter all that much if you are only gaming, as you don’t care for none of that, most of the time you are cranking low or highs up depending on your preference and how the game puts out footsteps.

[@AGairsoft1]

I just got the Sennheiser HD 650 and waiting on my amp to come in. For now I plug them into the back of my pc with no issues while using Dolby Atmos for headphones. I could hear footsteps below me perfectly and the highs are not piercing anymore thankfully, compared to the Astro A40’s. It’s loud even at half volume with a balancing EQ on top of it, which makes the sound quieter but perfectly balanced.

[@SyneWTD]

I use Astro with the Mixamp Pro TR and they’re nice af if you import custom mixamp settings. Weird but Apple AirPod Pros are insane and maybe better

[@SamLoki]

I saw on a video earlier where you mentioned to just get the cheapest/base RTX card and modding it somehow? Can you make a video on that (if you haven't already)?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

I have an issue with locating enemies by sound. I have a Steelseries Arctis 7 headset, but tried many many different headsets, from very cheap to very expensive. Corsair, Razor, Gigabyte, even Redrago, still cant locate enemies, sometimes even just left from right. Gave the Redragon headset to my brother and he can hear exactly where enemies are. When I play CSGO or Warzone my brothers and friends, when spectating me, can immediately tell me where the enemy is, and they have cheap Gigabyte or Volkano or Redragon headsets. I have very small ears though so even though it is a little bit better with in-ear headphones, it becomes very uncomfortable very quickly

[@claybirdyshaw5737]

I'm far from an audiophile but have tried quite a few different headphones. My favorite without a doubt is still Philips Fidelio X2. They are excellent in games and still sound great with music. There are better headphones for music now, but they are still the best for gaming and they came out like 6-8 years ago. Audio is just too subjective to review accurately.

[@JoeWayne84]

Phillips shp9500 with mod mic are any usb microphone … it’s easy to have great audio and it’s reasonably priced.

[@Laminur]

Thank you for answering these questions in gaming terms. When I was shopping for headphones none of the terms they were using conveyed to the buyer whether or not they would provide clear and directional audio, it was just a bunch of jargon and frequency numbers. Funnily enough I settled on the Arctis Pros and they have been great for over a year in competitive COD.

[@kenigsweg]

Do you use them in USB-mode or plugged in with an audio jack? Thank you in advance

[@katto1937]

Yikes

[@MrNINJAA865]

This G6 been out of 5 years and nobody got a video on how to use this damn thing. SMFH

[@TapDancingOnYoFace]

Do the new Nova 3's or 7's have the same spatial awareness of these old arctis pros do you know?

[@sayonara5699]

23:43 when you die to double barrel shotguns in warzone

[@MrNINJAA865]

so what is the best setting for the sound blaster g6??

[@willyxthaxkidd_]

Do you use Dolby atoms?

[@sneakie1649]

buy the beyerdynamic tygr 300, turn all the eq to absolutely flat everywhere. i've tested a couple of really expensive headphones and this one did it for me and its not even expensive.

[@Hijynx87]

I bought the G6, because I want to use DT990 pros on my ps5. Also because I like my headphones loud enough to bleed my ears.

[@zexalex]

those songs to check audio quality... sorry, but you also have to try something with acoustic instruments and voice to properly evaluate sound quality

[@julianblanco9953]

I have the soundblasterx G5 what's the best audio for footsteps in warzone 2 headphones dt990

[@abduktedtemplar]

GSX 1000 on 7.1 with the PC38X is pretty great. No need to bother with anything else, surround audio and accuracy is spot on.

[@a2daj83]

i have an x3 and by far the best mode is direct mode, ie. everything off

[@BonusCrook]

What headphones do you reccommend?

[@pilaodagua]

All true about the vertical footsteps with the HD 🤣

[@marceldiezasch6192]

I recommend getting an external DAC, because I had multiple boards with terrible onboard audio where you could hear distortion, crackling etc. Igor's lab recommended a 20€ Sharkoon USB Dac, so I figured paying 20€ to never care about onboard audio again was fine. It doesn't have any fancy features or software, it just gives you a good clean audio output powerful enough to power any headphones you would realistically use for gaming. I'm happy, it just works, doesn't do any annoying shit and is cheap.

[@callmekitt]

Im talking sound clarity overall: I own motherboards with ALC 1220 and ALC 1200, also the above mentioned Sharkoon Gaming DAC, used to own a G6 also and now im maining a JDS Labs Element II (DAC + headphone Amp).with several decent/good headsets / headphones, best ones are the Beyerdynamic DT1990 Pro). The Sharkoon DAC is pretty good, worth every penny, much better than onboard. The step from ALC 1220 to Sharkoon DAC is bigger than from the sharkoon DAC to the JDS labs. Undoubtly noticeable with first listening test. What Im saying is - the Sharkoon DAC is the real deal.

[@fahimishungry5865]

@@col.hanslanda2013 even expensive motherboards audio isn’t that great compared to actual dacs/amps

[@Omar_ZX]

​@@fahimishungry5865 as an audiophile and mixing engineer I can confirm it is true

[@tdkrtdkr6412]

What is the equalizer settings you use for WZ

[@xporto6526]

If you picked up those headphones for gaming as well as studio headphones your laughing... you can use stock settings for gaming and then tweak your eq's for mixing. I like the idea. edit: the game audio has already been compressed, to compress it more your messing with the integrity of the audio files. just stick with the eq for games.

[@jimmat686]

Audio reviewers on KZbin have always agreed that audiophile headphones will not make you a better gamer (hell, most pros use cheap or sponsored earbuds on LAN). Just like all peripherals, find whatever feels comfortable and keep playing, everything else is completely irrelevant

[@Hijynx87]

No, but they sound great lol.

[@moroccoboy4121]

Pros mostly have astros and they are not cheap! So stop talkinggg shiitt

[@jimmat686]

You completely missed the point of my comment, but I'll paint you a picture so you can go back to your 1 view PlayStation Warzone streams: COD isn't the only Esport and it isn't even the biggest/best Esport. Only COD Pros use Astros and they use then at home because most teams have been sponsored by Astro at some point. On LAN they use random earbuds with ear protection to block the noise from the crowd. Nobody cares if Astros are expensive, they won't make you better at the game. You can play with Apple earbuds and be the best player in the game

[@zexalex]

What you are trying to describe is resolution... just as your monitor resolution, but with sound. For me, this is the best analogy.

[@Maoilios]

Sound software is always really bad, a real pair of headphones + dac amp combo will seal the deal edit: 15:25 your hd560s must be faulty, they have incredible soundstage, 28:45 Do you want the "audiophile" headphones to change how the game engine renders the audio? That is not how headphones work, good headphones will reproduce the sound as it is meant to be heard, not some black magic to create audio that isnt there.

[@SlickSniper3]

I use my HD560s with the steelseries gamedac lol. It sounds great overall for every game I play. Tarkov included.

[@joeshmoe7485]

this video is 29 mins of whiney cringe with no useful information.

[@dflood75]

Yeah, but isn't this what we come here for?

[@Owen-np3wf]

@@dflood75 no we come here for factual hardware jargon. This is kinda out of the bro's comfort zone but he's trying for the content

[@michaelthompson9798]

I personally use the Sound Blaster X7 DAC in combination with Senheisser X58 Jubilees for my gaming rig and absolutely love the sound they give 🤤🤤🤤. Sound is subjective to everyone and people hear the same sounds a little differently. Even the shape of our ear 👂 affects how the sounds is received by our inner ear etc. look at the whole Yanni / Laurel story that took over the internet a while back …… same thing, different interpretations of what was heard based on an in individuals hearing …. Even different sexes where hearing different things. 🤯😇

[@bryantjohnson7995]

ive been using astros for 4 years now and i still love them

[@OmarDaily]

The Astros are great, because they have pretty much perfect imaging compared to a lot of headphones. The sound quality might not be stellar, but that doesn’t matter on a competitive game.

[@TheParad0cks]

What profile do you use?

[@OmarDaily]

@@TheParad0cks I manually adjusted the EQ myself.

[@buttknuckle55]

In relation to games, yeah that's useless; however, that's a nice little DAC/AMP from soundblaster and the EQ stuff is just dick around and get the sound you want. I actually got that DAC and also bought their high end inboard DAC/AMP with the external controller with XLR input for the mic. It's cool, has some nice features (voice murph) but for high end shyt I'm using DT1770PROs /HD650s and an iFi amp/dac. Depends what you're after. For games, anything will work, for music, you can go down a never ending rabbit hole that empties your wallet quick.

[@narcoleptic-insomniac4663]

New subscriber from this video. I stopped watching reviews on headsets for gaming from anyone that isnt Badseed Tech. I hate feeling like i am being marketed too about every product that comes across there desk... I too can read the selling points from Amazons page/on the box... Its the things I cant just read i want to know, which you did a great job of breaking down throughout your video. The verticality, the depth of field (soundstage as i understand the term to mean) The pinpointing of shots from far away and close range. If the software that comes with the device is actualy useful or just a gimmik etc. I had some health misfortunes and had to sell my 12700k/3080 4k build and my M32U 4k monitor a few months ago along with my more expensive headphones. I had to humble myself a lot and use either my Soundblaster soundbar or the onboard solution through my back up builds mobo (r5 2600x/1080ti) i knew they wouldnt be able to drive my main two headphones well enough so i hoped on amazon and ordered a pair of the 1More brand Stylish dual-dynamic Driver earbuds for $16 as they had free same day shipping. I was expecting crap and it was crazy how much these little bastards knocked me back down to earth and made me realize i was becoming an audio asshole who'd forgotten the reasons i started looking into this stuff to begin with....I was running them through my monitors audio plug with fantastic results. I just got a schitt Fulla E to drive my Sennheisers and for wireless a pair of the Corsair Vertuoso Se's from corsairs last refurbished sale ($63!). Good video, good takes and looking forward to lurking more!

[@m4nu507]

aceu playing with regular airpods be like

[@jdominguez2282]

HD 630VB closed back's work pretty damn good on that same DAC, I have an unnecessary collection of headsets and over ear headphones, addicted lol. But in my experience the only gaming focused product that has really impressed me is the JBL Quantum One headset, worth a look.

[@Hijynx87]

The Q1 is pretty good? I've always wanted to try one. Have you tried the Audeze Penrose? That's another one to look at. Also the Sennheiser PC38x is damn amazing for $150, and that's just in the dualsense controller. I have yet to try them in my G6, as I haven't opened it yet.

[@OzzieOzbalik]

I have the hd560s paired with the zen dac v2 on my ps5, and I think this guy is right. It’s doing me no justice on warzone

[@redclaw72666]

It's funny audio can be a problem and it never ends especially finding a pair of your needs especially dacs/amps but didn't take me that long which the dac I use is The Fiio K5 pro which is dam good for $150 and I mostly use iems since not a huge fan of big cans lol which I use the Westone W50s but with brown filters instead of the original filters which make them dark sounding but I love using iems since their hella light weight, easier to drive and sound hella amazing with a dac/amp without software, software just makes it worse with sound blaster overall let alone too much time on messing with it and not playing especially hearing footsteps is such a breeze with iems

[@postman3732]

K5 Pro for the win! Keeps the audio clean and can power any headphone. Been using one for about 2 years with multiple types of headphones(32-600 ohm) and haven't had an issue hearing footsteps.

[@redclaw72666]

@@postman3732 yup it's dam good

[@SuBScared]

Nice video. I always asked me this question...

[@Beefy-Tech]

I learned the hard way that no matter what headsets you buy, it won't help if the audio you are trying to hear isn't there to begin with😂😂 cod is a lovely example of that xD

[@ZekeTrailblazer]

I have the 560s and it is actually incredible for fps and overall awareness. I think your dac might be the issue or you got a very defective model. The DT 1990 pro are my main, but 560s are incredible.

[@BarussoVisuals]

I think ath m50 kills the hd560

[@abeedhal6519]

@@BarussoVisuals hmm no...

[@kimjongpoontv69]

@@BarussoVisuals Absolutely False

[@nzarch9741]

Nah he's right dude. I have them also and yeah the sound is great and you can hear footsteps but pinpointing where they are coming from is tough. It's like you know someone is near by but no idea which direction.

[@abeedhal6519]

@@nzarch9741 sounds like a you problem.

[@Nutstache]

I have that same dac and DT 1990 pros and I have the same issue with footsteps, nearly £600 all together and I bought it ages ago because everybody was saying get open backs for gaming for the wider soundstage (easier to detect where footsteps and gunshots are coming from). Fucking incredible for music though.

[@davidrollerson2240]

You need to turn the bass right down. There's vedio online for best footsteps. Need a dac/ amp compo with the power to run your headset. Gaming headsets like Steelseries suck for fps games great for other stuff just not fps games. Open back is the way for footsteps.

[@Nutstache]

@@publicastrations isn't using "audio production headphones" the best to use for gaming in theory though?

[@quantumdestroyer6039]

Beyerdynamic never made an open-back headphone, they are either closed or semi-open. Even DT880 is more "open" than DT990. There are videos on yt that disassemble them. DT1990 are almost closed, behind the grills it's hard plastic. While listening to something, cover the sides with hands and you hear that sound doesnt change. And I have DT1990 too, they are BAD for gaming. Don't believe audiophiles that never play games.

[@Nutstache]

@quantumdestroyer6039 I actually did used to try covering the headphones and wondered why the sound didn't change that much, damn. I've probably dropped like £1k on headsets and dacs/amps over the past 8 years and I never really found a perfect set

[@Lucifer_ESY]

23:15 exactly 🙏🙏 the only thing that make a difference is the game engine itself and the tunning of your headphones

[@RandomCouncil]

you need a gaming duster tho. holy

[@OzzieOzbalik]

I purchased the hd560s and the artics nova pro for ps5 and also purchased the ifi zen dac v2 to pair with the hd560s, I strictly play warzone I don’t know about any other for games but I think I’m gonna stick with the artics nova pro. The he560s is so good and clear it’s amazing, the separation is crazy of layers but footsteps are more pronounced on the nova pro

[@Ramonis1000]

Hey I got a question for u can I use the 560 on my dual sense without trouble?

[@OzzieOzbalik]

@@Ramonis1000 yes it powers it but it won’t get loud enough, but try if you like it

[@Ramonis1000]

@@OzzieOzbalik I think I will because I'm tired of gaming headphones and this one's looks really amazing

[@Ramonis1000]

Hey dude sorry to bother you but know that I'm think about it could you test how they work if you plug them into your dual sense to see if it gets loud enough?

[@OzzieOzbalik]

@@Ramonis1000 it gets pretty loud with the dual sense, but not as loud with a dac

[@Snxgur]

you know what makes u a better gamer? comfort. fuck how it sounds comfort is all that matters

[@howiejcee]

Beware that Apex Legends is notorious for silent footsteps, gunfire, & other audio events. There are even many cases where there is literally zero audio in massive gunfights (e.g. Gibby or Horizon ults). So at least with Apex and silent/missing audio, the shitty game engine & audio engine / coding are most likely the main culprits (not the headphones / audio device).

[@bmarra14]

I’ll be really honest I think that it’s your headset. I have the wired steel series arctic pros just like you, and compared to my razer black sharks (over 100 dollars cheaper) after using the SS for so long I found that they already come with some sort of wierd compressioning going on with loud audio like you describe, and I have no sound blaster. The directional audio also sounds like complete shit compared to the black sharks, mainly actual audio quality sounds tinny, flat, and the spatial software just doesn’t work nearly as good as the black sharks. It made me realize that, like most everyone says online and in KZbin, having basic HIFI stereo headset with external/internal sound card or amp is actually the only way to get the edge.

[@ACE112ACE112]

9:30 pros with audio. being limited to iems and closed back headphones is very limiting of audio choices.

[@kNGXXX]

What this guy says...is SOOO true...look, I love my music and I got a bit into the rabbit hole. I have a JDS Labs Atom Stack, a custom made class-a AMP and custom made dac with 3 OP amps, with custom made ribbon copper ICs and custom made copper usb A-B cable. I also have an AD700x, HD559s, SR225is, K371s, K712 PROs. Now I primarly use these for music listening, but sometimes I play games too. The K712 Pros do a pretty decent job at staging in SOME games...but I knew something was off...because I remember having a "shitty" creative fatal1ty headset when I was younger, and I could soundwhore like crazy...ok, so I bought a logitech g333, and...it was like I was playing a different game. I could pinpoint all the footsteps again, everything just made sense...again...for purely gaming DO NOT GO THE AUDIOPHILE ROUTE. Right tool for the right job! Music -> audiophile route. Gaming -> get a good gaming headset or IEM and be done with it...

[@kNGXXX]

Did a little testing just to confirm: I can play much-much better with the G333...it's cheaper too, and has a built in mic...of course the sound is not as detailed as on the K712 PRO, but it's still good enough (at least it is certainly for gaming).

[@kimjongpoontv69]

Honestly I went down the rabbit hole too, first got the sound blaster ae5 plus sound card along with a HD560s and it was amazing for music and movies etc. and the soundstage for gaming is great . But 3D imaging is all over the place and audibly confusing in more complex shooters. So I then bought into IEMs, first the Dunu Vulkans, and generally liked them overall for gaming, definately better imaging than the 560s but they are very uncomfortable and slip out your ear constantly due to the nozzle design and weight of the IEM. So I then moved on to the Raptgo Hook-X and these are way more comfortable as well as open back. Just as good as the Vulkans I’m imaging performance and more bass less peaky treble. The best audiophile grade pieces of equipment I’ve bought for gaming. However I heard about the G333s from Logitech and by no means do they sound better than any of the other 3 options (Far From It). But the handling of footstep audio and depth within the imaging is just so much better. I don’t have to think twice about where I heard someone. I’ll get nearly perfect 3d imaging for hundreds of dollars less.

[@OzzieOzbalik]

Bro I kid you not I watched this video like 20x lmao 😂😂 this guy is too funny

[@ksw8934]

The only reason u want to have ´studio headphones´ is for its honest sound, no hi-fi bass boosted nonses.. for gaming it doesnt matter man..

[@get2choppa429]

I definitely went a bit down the audiophile rabbit hole. Doesn’t make you better at actually playing the game, but there’s a little bit of help with hearing where people are. Also don’t use gamery sound profiles/eq. It’s all cringey snake oil trash. Dacs you don’t need to spend much on, I would say theres just a level you get to and there’s a major level of diminishing returns the more you spend. The biggest thing will be the proper amount of amp though. Don’t use “the pros wear these” argument because they just wear the garbage rgb headsets they get from sponsors. You’re better off getting a solid pear of headphones and something like a mod mic. Thee only headset I found that wasn’t gamer trash was the sennheiser p38x

[@parkersgarage4216]

I have the steelseries arctis pro wireless headset. Love the Bluetooth pairing w my phone and battery swap capability. I can Def hear a mofo and which direction he's coming from. Best headset I've owned so far. Astros or turtle Beach can't compare to these.

[@dbaker0428]

Just bought the Pro Wireless over the weekend. What EQ settings are you using?

[@parkersgarage4216]

@@dbaker0428 immersion or performance

[@Scuurpro]

Dont get a dac Iems Iems Iems Iems Iems. Good starting point Moondrop Starfields. Pro's use Iems especilly at tournaments. They use headphones that make whitenoise than iems underneath.

[@maloc1166]

lol I have the sound blaster G6 and find the same result as you I don’t even have that shit software on my pc for it… it is good for driving headphones that can use a little more power and 32 bit switch or I think it’s 24 are nice. I think you can get the same thing for cheaper but I already own it so fuck it . It just does the job plug and play so I can’t complain

[@audie-cashstack-uk4881]

Leave the crystalliser on but set it to zero for movies set surround at 67 enjoy perfectly recreated audio

[@LionHeartSurvival]

Is audiofile a brand? This is deep...

[@HosakaBlood]

Nah brother I have been playing cs go been on global elite like 5 years I cannot go back to cheap gaming headset in cs go where u play as team and comunícate is better to hear the footstep louder clearer and tell your team mate to cover any posible spot they can come from I guess games like cod witch is more open maybe a headset with better pin point accuracy is better but for cs go or even rainbow 6 is not

[@bigbailey1489]

Can test out the Audeze Mobius Please, vey expensive headset which needs justifying if its worth the money

[@caglarturk1937]

Penrose the way to go

[@bigbailey1489]

@@caglarturk1937 oh yeah and those

[@caglarturk1937]

@@bigbailey1489 i have them they are definitely worth the price !

[@ViralZen]

60s? Which one bruh 600s, 650s or 660s lol I'm assuming it's the 600s which is trash at gaming

[@abdullahdanze2061]

Surround sound is where it's at. For positional listening.

[@abdullahdanze2061]

Real surround sound with discrete speakers.

[@headerahelix]

@@abdullahdanze2061 Yeah but if you have neighbours you'll either get police at your door or the angry neighbours. Even without neighbours, unless you live alone you'll annoy everyone in your house. Unless of course you're lucky enough to have a dedicated sound proof gaming room.

[@WrexBF]

I use IEMs. Headphones are way too uncomfortable for me.

[@DeathDeclined]

I spent 500$ on a nice set of audiophile and a DAC and still liked my $40 hyperx cloud ii more. I think I just like shit audio according to the audiophile people on Reddit.

[@weimardoge]

yeah, you probably are. Last month I tried a handful of headphones/headsets. At first glance "audiophile" headphones were insane in music and general media consumption, but sucked dick in games (in the footsteps department). "Gaming" - complitly opposite, but I could not understand how I was living my life without proper headphones, it was like a scene from HIMYM w/ Ted & bacon. So I dig even dipper, I've returned all my "gaming" headsets back to amazon, I was left with Sundara, DT 770 pro and 560S, plus I ordered Penrose. If you are ready to compromise on comfort and look past all technical shortcomings (battery life, connectivity issues and build quality) - Penrose is a clear choice. Great in games and in music, if you're ok with switching EQ presets in software every time (side note: presets from Audeze are actually great). Ultimately I send them back. So I left with studio reference "audiophile" headphones. The answer - proper EQ presets, you can do it in APO/Peace or with a proper amp/dac, w/ correct eq presets.

[@TopShelfRippin]

Hyperx cloud is a rebranded studio monitor..

[@DeathDeclined]

@@TopShelfRippin well whatever it is it’s damn good for $40

[@Maoilios]

@@DeathDeclined I'm sorry my guy but you must be deaf if your cloud 2s sound better than 500 dollar cans

[@60atrws44]

The headphones you have are rated well for gaming at the entry level for audiophile cans, but your dac is completely trash. IMO you shouldn’t buy audiophile headphones for pc gaming, you would buy them to listen to music and then they become your gaming headphones. My setup is the schitt modi/magni amp and separate dac both retail for 99$. Then I have the senheiser drop colab 6xx’s @199. So for 400$usd you have a perfect beginner audiophile setup, and then it goes up from there lol. Been using this combo for 2 years plus and it’s perfect for me, but once you start it’s hard to stop yourself. I’ve wanted to upgrade for a while now as I love music on my pc but the cost is too high and I got a new rtx card instead. I will never go back to a gaming headset ever, only thing I miss is wireless lol

[@Scardigne]

shove the g6 on direct mode, crank up to 32bit/192(higher and some games wont like it), stereo with some dt1990 pro's done. dont fuck about with SBX/7.1 or any other shit the sound resolution is nice and shit is REAAAL clear. dt 990's if your more budgeted, 1990's are overkill tbh xD

[@Kritter4life]

Lol I’ll just stick with my $40 on sale Best Buy Krakens

[@yosixxx]

Arctis pros are more expensive than the senns in the US

[@endlessmindset8808]

Sennheiser hd 600's are the most comfortable and best sounding headphones (in general, especially music) I've ever owned but I have to agree, they don't give any advantage to competitive gaming.

[@RBK_3]

I recently got a pair of Wireless Cloud 2's which are very compatible to those Steel Series and they're all I need. I tried an expensive pair of wired Audeze with the planar magnetic drivers and it didn't make any difference to me and being tethered to your PC sucks IMO.

[@codenamevampire8345]

err... why only 360p this video...

[@BonusCrook]

Probably cause you started watching right when it came out

[@Valkross9]

Better gamer is such a bad to put it. It's like "does more fps make you a better gamer". Better shit can give you opportunities or tools to be better. But if you suck, you suck.

[@brandonbajc2084]

Ive been using the arctis pro wireless for over a year and its all i need. Has bluetooth and 2.4 works on my pc, ps5, phone and tv and can do two sources simultaneously at the same time. Would have even got something cheaper if i could have found a cheaper pair with both bluetooth and 2.4, far as i know these are the only ones that are economical that support both.

[@Hijynx87]

I bet most pros use $25 IEMs IRL.

[@jessecooley1580]

..... why you record in; 360P ?

[@Drix7]

The quality is still processing mate

[@wokeux]

actual brain rot from this dude do us a favor and keep yourself safe bro

[@br1cks930]

me here eating popcorn and watching the show cuz I`ve been rocking artic pro wireless for years now and ignoring audiophile idiots since LOL

[@afroditta6950]

How are they idiots? A good pair of headphones + dac it's cheaper than a decent gaming headset, lasts way longer and can be used on every platform.

[@JenovaToY]

Lol I'm glad I'm an audio engineer

[@ReaperHackz]

Yeah dont even get started on surround sound headsets like 7.1 headsets that have real soundround not that fake EQ shit.

[@nickanderson242]

Best thing for footsteps is realtek patch 2.80 real DOLBY 5.1

[@caglarturk1937]

Audeze penrose way different then other headphones I’m not sure why but i have use most of it that headphone just so much better in every aspects.

[@Dawe957]

They have a planar magnetic driver they tend to be more detailed

[@jasonemanuel9070]

The penrose rocks no amp or dac needed😁