I’d Choose This Over a Patek Philippe Nautilus | Watchfinder & Co.

Alright, so let’s get one thing out there before we begin: this review is produced for and by Watchfinder, a company owned by the same group that owns A. Lange & Söhne. You would say that makes it difficult for the words said here to be truly impartial, and you would be right. But let me assure you; these are my words, what I think, and I truly believe that the A. Lange & Söhne Odysseus is a watch worth having over the Patek Philippe Nautilus. Here’s why.
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[@prathamkapoor1992]

Honestly, I couldn't spot a single imperfection in the Odysseus at that level of macro. Absolutely incredible!

[@LTC_Tiger]

The weld on the small seconds counterweight was done a little sloppily. That was it.

[@andy_yeeqi966]

@@LTC_Tiger u r blind

[@KC-bv9kf]

@@LTC_Tiger lmao, right at 03:21. I wonder if I can get a price reduction if I pointed that out to the AD. One can always ask.

[@antonhallergren588]

@@KC-bv9kf it's a used watch he is showing

[@robertbrowne7880]

@@LTC_Tiger There is no weld. The hands are made as one piece.

[@johanhirte9661]

The Lange has one big benefit over the Nautilus and Oak. Till today no Rapper rapped this watch with diamonds.

[@dinonugget7114]

Never thought of this. If one does we kill him steal the watch and do a proper burial. Of the watch off course.

[@thatmexicanguy2989]

Let’s keep it that way 😂

[@martinc.720]

Don’t give them ideas!! 😂

[@humanbeing1675]

👍

[@johanhirte9661]

@Zakir Siddiqui 💔...... This monsters ..... But that is no Odysseus at least. So the Turbograph got raped.

[@dnlmoretti]

I absolutely love Lange’s design language across the board. I can appreciate the “big 3” and their contribution to the world of horology, but A. Lange & Sohne just does it for me.

[@sherryflavour3791]

The big 3 is bullshit swiss only. No such thing as big 3. All a marketing term that caught on.

[@edwinmariano5131]

Same

[@basantadhamala3715]

This right here, exactly what I intended to comment.

[@carlosdlguerra]

I appreciate the disclosure at the beginning, and even though I'm not the biggest fan of the nautilus design, the Lange looks to much like it was made for a leather strap, and not a Water Proof All Steel watch like the nautilus. It just isn't as distinctive and purposeful lookin.

[@69elchupacabra69]

The reason it begs for a leather strap is because that lug design is hot garbage

[@wolfchild4414]

I think a brown leather strap would be perfect for it.

[@sidroler4698]

thought the same. the engineering is great but leather just fits better

[@jasonstephens2946]

Yep, definitely needs a leather strap, but what a stunning watch the 'A Lange and Sohne' is. The links on the SS strap are clever though.

[@christhorne7565]

I thought it was ugly, then I watched this video. Now I think it’s ugly but I want one.

[@stevenlake7158]

hey, that's pretty funny! made me laugh at least : )

[@MN-tf7fm]

That was not even funny

[@martinlutherking6550]

that's basically how you feel about everything, remember baggy jeans? looks ugly af today? you wanted that shit bad back in the days cuz everyone else had it

[@itchonzzz]

The bezel is ugly, but the dial is stunning .

[@Pwwh0711]

The power of advertising

[@olivercillian]

The bracelet puts me off on this Odysseus. They could have done a much better design.

[@JasonX2]

The lugs look too broad also

[@Cervando]

@@JasonX2 Why, they look fine to me. Look at the bottom LHS of 1:22

[@matakaji412]

Hated it at first but it's growing on me haha

[@andy_yeeqi966]

Can u do better?

[@100yugiohtrader]

Not sure if I'm missing something, but i absolutely love this watch and think its beautiful, not sure of the bracelet, but the watch itself is stunning.

[@just-inedc2381]

I will also never be able to afford either of them but I would definitely agree with you! They is so many amazing features from the crown guard day/date quick set to the bracelet and clasp! I am truly impressed! What an amazing piece

[@gilgamesh3328]

Personally, I would love to see the Pope on a skateboard.

[@SunJigglet]

Should your name sake ever return, his job would be by the ironing board. ;)

[@SiliconBong]

POPETOWN

[@MichaelFlynnhasneatv]

"it's Friday then, it's Saturday, Sunday, what" I shouldn't have laughed so hard.

[@Gerg22]

It took me a minute but i creased afterwards

[@titomito]

Still didn't get ir

[@neofitoff]

Lando reference?

[@pratik3106]

@@titomito Lando Norris did it on team radio during free practice in 2020 😂

[@titomito]

Oh got it now lol

[@fayimmohammed5435]

Your reviews are one of the best on KZbin 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@rickymcu]

Wow love the side by side with the 5711. I’ll take that Lange any day though. Looks stunning!

[@thatmexicanguy2989]

I started off hating this watch, I’m still not loving the overall look of it... but I can’t argue with all those tiny little details and how well it is built 😌

[@raymondleemanpaper]

I feel the same way.😂

[@alexwinner5272]

A&S is something which is over reality yet something so familiar and cozy done with an exceptional perfection. Absolute.

[@MuhammadKharismawan]

am watching this video on a 4K 50 inch tv from 2 foot away. goddamn man these flagship just exudes luxury and character with those beautiful macro shots

[@cakraparindra4659]

What a flex man 😂 but I have to agree it also looks really good on my FHD phone screen

[@edwinmariano5131]

I am originally an Omega guy, then Patek for the longest time. But I'm now a AL&S.

[@vktravellog1242]

Best watch content on the net! Keep it up 👍

[@sanghoonlee5171]

Two humble suggestions to the brilliant folks at ALS: (1) At a quick glance, the bracelet links near the case appear irregular. The reason is that you have 4 or 5 different shapes of links grouped together, and the brain perceives this as a haphazard arrangement even though it isn't. A smidgen more uniformity in the bracelet would be very welcome. (2) I think you did well to preserve the circular case instead of going square like PP or octagonal like AP. But perhaps you could add just a little flare to the LUGS (maybe a bit more angular, or more curvacious, or integrate them into the case seamlessly) and differentiate this piece from your usual dressy offerings?

[@drunkenmasterii3250]

Those are my issues too, like it's not bold enough to be comparable to the Nautilus, the Nautilus is a shock if you don't like it then you don't if you do you do, the Odysseus just look like another ALS that tried to be a little rugged a little sporty, but ended up somewhere in the middle as if it didn't know what it's trying to be.

[@myou6675]

Great opening, appreciate the open, honest approach.

[@xJan008x]

When a watch by Patek Philippe looks like a watch taken out of a gumball machine in comparison…

[@alexandervonschonberg6829]

To be honest I want one right now... Such a gorgeous timepiece. It is different and I love it. Functional yet elegant. A very german watch. This perfection in detail. quickset for day and date. Functionality and aesthetic combined with pure quality. The only sad thing being that I will never own one because I am simply not in the financial situation to afford it.

[@savi_svai]

You never know... manifest it

[@dodo98989]

I like round shapes. If I had to choose from the “big three”, I would take the overseas. If I had to choose any sports watch, I would choose the odysseus

[@watchesandcaps2566]

"Purveyors of Gothic minimalism." Great description of Lange.

[@tusmaniandevil]

I appreciate the disclosure. I think it actually shows that Watchfinder has been paying attention to their audience and I respect that.

[@camatkinson4708]

As a generally very happy owner of an AP RO 15450, and having had a good time spent trying this watch on.... I didn’t really like the Odysseus at first but I would now swap the Royal Oak for the Odysseus in a heart beat. Living with the general inconvenience of adjusting the bracelet of the RO, even in comparison to an old Rolex, just makes you very aware of the lack of practical design attention in such a high level watch. The micro adjust bracelet to me, is the perfect tactile representation of a watch that has paid close attention to detail at every single stage of the design. It is spectacular.

[@christopherliang6879]

A sports watch with a big day, date, and small seconds? Sign me up

[@jon-seattle]

Totally agree with your analysis!!!

[@richarddavis7548]

I was super concerned when nothing dropped on Friday........but then this.....and the sly comment (Friday, Saturday....Sunday)! Brilliant!

[@pierremartin9048]

I truly lust for an ALS, the (an) 1815 chief amongst them, but not this. I suppose if the funds were endless then maybe, but even then not sure this would be at the top of my expensive sports watch list.

[@menaseven9093]

The A Lange and Sohne Odysseus is a beautiful watch. the design of the watch is original, it doesn't look like a copy of the AP Royal Oak and PP Nautilus. I like the big date and day on the dial. I like the transparent case back.

[@j1mbobable]

PP

[@philhawtin5269]

What an awesome video. You did such a good job. I'm thankful you put this stuff out there so I can even know it exists. A.L.S watches move me. Thanks for doing these

[@amundbjerve]

Well, as Philippe Dufour, owner of a Datograph, said in an interview: "The germans are kicking us."

[@desertwindauh]

Me too, but they have sadly been afflicted with the Patek "don't call us we'll call you" syndrome.

[@vivekjuneja4033]

A Lange is a different world all together... 👍

[@RaulEdu33]

You are like the Bob Ross of watches, superb video narrating. 🥇👌😎

[@plumbless]

I must say, you've got an extremely good copy of the watch. The engraving on the balance bridge is one of the most sophisticated variants I have seen, having so little empty space. It's even better looking than in the official photos.

[@conradbo1]

Very interesting things are pointed out in this video. This watch is unique and interesting compared to the other high end sport steel watches.

[@harveyts3]

I already want it more and I have never seen one before. I like Patek who doesn't but Lange makes the best watches of any major company.

[@5OclockSharp]

There’s no doubt that Lange built an incredible sports watch that walks circles around the 5711, but it still just looks off to me. I’d take an Overseas 4500V over both.

[@finkejak]

Problem is, the A. Lange und Söhne Odysseus is even harder to get from an AD..

[@rev.andyh.1082]

I got mine by offering myself to the girl behind the counter at my AD. - In the watch hobby sometimes you have to sweeten the deal. If there’s one thing I’ve learned it’s that some watches can only be had for love and money, but mostly just love.

[@CYC_JP]

@@rev.andyh.1082 So you offered sex to the AD girl and also got the watch from that? What a double kill legend.

[@MrJnholmes1]

Fell in love with the Odysseus when first released and this only strengthens the sentiment! One day .....

[@michaeljekot9596]

Such wonderful design made to look effortless. Horizons broadened. Thank you.

[@ghenghiskhan39]

What an absolutely stunning piece. The more I see of Lange, the more I want one.

[@samperkins6206]

Me too! Wouldn’t be a hard decision either!

[@rev.andyh.1082]

Couldn’t agree more!

[@stefanmolnar7950]

Im so Glad Lange made this finally, it can fight AP royal oak and PP nautilus, actually I would choose this any day from these wathes its classy sporty yet elegant, the only competitor which this watch has is the VC overseas.

[@yooseemotoringchannel3357]

For those who think this doesn’t look good, go try it at an AD. It’s totally different in real life. It changed my mind.

[@biohayzer]

How much is the retail price?

[@af7358]

@@biohayzer €28k

[@OwynDavies]

Well, I can barely afford another Casio sooooo...

[@biohayzer]

@@af7358 Worth every cent of course but not sure I could go that expensive😬

[@af7358]

@@biohayzer Yeah, if you can afford it go nuts but the JLC Polaris gets very close for much less cash.

[@KevW03]

You are the David Attenborough of the watch world... 1) Your videos and story telling make me very relaxed 2) i immediately believe everything you say as the undisputed truth Can Watchfinder videos become their own religion??

[@marcinpaluska5137]

I think that a bit closer rival would be Overseas when it comes to the shape alone, although I can see how the crown guards can be compared with the shape of Nautilus. Realistically, someone wanting a Nautilus would more likely be comparing it to the Royal Oak as both have somewhat similar shape and level of hype around them. I do agree with the fact that Odysseus is superior to all 3 when it comes to the level of details. It also strikes as a more modern and innovative choice. I would probably still prefer a Datagraph or Lange 1 when I'm at the point where I can afford one...

[@MrKeaneNg]

I want to love the Lange more

[@TweakRacer]

Didn’t know Lange Sohne owns Watchfinder. Thanks for the honest disclosure.

[@m0t3ki]

I tried the leather vs non leather at a boutique, the leather / strap version is way better for this watch, but the blue dial is nice. Good if u can get it at retail/if you r already a prior als customer.

[@dariomusso9830]

There is not a single A Lange & Söhne that doesn’t fills me when reverence and respect. What a masterpiece. What level of details. Astonishing.

[@balesjo]

My personal taste, I'd take an A. Lange & Söhne Odysseus over a Patek any day it was offered to me. A Lange watches are always finished impeccably, but my tastes run more towards the designs of A. Lange watches. But that's the great thing about horology, there are watches out there for every personal taste, and no one has to make an apology for owing and wearing what appeals to them!

[@Simon_Says]

Between Nautilius and Odysseus - no brainer. Odysseus! I think I would have a bigger problem when on the Patek Philippe side was Aquanaut.

[@yoinkhaha]

This thing is absolutely gorgeous. Let Lange be Lange and they will never disappoint. People complaining about the aesthetics of this beauty are the same people that "don't really like jazz music" but "listen to Miles Davis."

[@bobajob13]

I guess that people that like the aesthetics will buy one. I’m not a huge fan of it, it just looks like an A Lange, and it’s a bit too big. But for some it will be perfect. I don’t think your jazz music comment really makes much sense.

[@gervers]

Got to say, if I had the money, it would be the VC Overseas.

[@dinonugget7114]

Fair that is a good watch. The Naitilus is milked to the last drop.

[@nkonig1]

It’s definitely a popular choice. Beats the Nautilus hands down. I could never get over the date window of the Nautilus, it looks like such an afterthought.

[@banuarya]

Totally agree

[@Mohammedalyafeimusic]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@garyggarner7738]

I would love to have one! I love A. Lange & Sohne Time Pieces - Engineering, Durability, Beauty Combined! I would Love to have several in my collection! I also want the Triple Split Chronograph. The Odysseus is pure beauty!

[@harrycee656]

I love how A.Lange Söhne always prioritizes the original purpose of a watch. Provides the wearer easy to read time. The fact that they made the guards functional is so German that it speaks to my soul like no other watch company. I can't afford the Lange 1 I lost for in this lifetime. But I now must have a German watch with a German caliber. I think there will be a Nomos neomatix in my future.

[@andyj930]

Beautiful watch! Definitely in the top 5 of my list!!!

[@devia1988]

Hi mate, just wanna say I love your video's; great images and superb and interesting storytelling. Keep it up, thanks!!

[@TIMHARTTT]

The quality of the Lange and sohne is from another dimension, no watch company comes close, not even car companies like Rolls Royce, Lange and sohne is absolutely stunning epic pieces of human at its best of the best.

[@BIGGELATO]

7:11 for the next 10 seconds, that whole line was very impressive

[@JJ-zr6fu]

It needs a better bracelet. The face looks good but the lugs and bracelet seem frankenstiened on.

[@wheepylive9040]

I agree, the only special thing about this watch from a meter away is its face

[@Mmmmilo]

It seems that you’ve listened to the comments about focusing on the watches, as opposed to 10-minute history lessons. This video is fantastic. Keep this up.

[@AIRFORCEFREAK1]

I think I like every A Lange & Sohne I see. Hope to own one one day.

[@HorologyinSanity]

I couldn't agree more! A Lange 💯

[@tynchytemper9618]

Well I'm not going to buy that 2007 Nautilus for £89k from Watchfinder now, that's for sure!

[@himap3842]

I believe that an Odysseus to ALS is what a Cayenne to Porsche. They're unarguably very solid products, but their purpose is to be a cash cow, so that these brands can produce other, more desirable products. If you knew them, I think you'd know what model you'll get.

[@russell996]

Except Lange are limiting production severely so no cash cow.

[@yvelf]

i still remember when the Odysseus came out. it was truly an event! it'll probably be equally impossible to get an Odysseus than a nautilus. Lange only produces about 5,000 watches a year total. a lot less than PP.

[@NitroModelsAndComics]

ALS is a grail of mine. This is a stunning piece of engineering and love.

[@nlanni]

The A. Lange & Söhne Odysseus is beautifully conceived, and crafted to a much higher level than the Patek Philippe Nautilus. But let's be honest - that was a sales pitch. Thing is, it wasn't necessary - I love looking at the Odysseus, and I'm not sure why the Nautilus is still being sold.

[@jwvandegronden]

I agree, the Glashütte is gorgeous and outsmarts with its complications. Love it all the way! Wish they were less expensive.

[@abhishekmukherjee4857]

I like A.lange & Söhne but this watch’s bracelet size seems a bit off wrt the case size

[@alexk8599]

I'm gonna be angry if Richemont don't give you one of these watches one day. You're doing a lot for them.

[@coffeelawjitsu6959]

Glad that WF now features other watch brands more than rolex.

[@pedrovilela4507]

If even the higher shareholder of Lange fills it with compliments, we will believe in each one. Its simply unique and magnificiant.

[@VersedNJ]

The Saxonia is my Grail, and nice to see you gave credit to Gloria Jones on Tainted Love.

[@thomasg.109]

I recently purchased the Saxonia Moon Phase with the black dial, an epic brand. The attention to detail is amazing and the movement is the very best, go for it. I bought new, significant discounts are available.

[@fredericc9676]

Sure L&S are grail to many and perfect reason why. I'll get one somehow.

[@Leptospirosi]

It is like L&S build its watches on a 4:1 scale and then shrink them: the level of detail is simply insane. As for the Nautilus, it suffers from being just a copycat of the Royal Oak, which was the true revolution brought by Gerald Genta into the luxury watchmaking: very well executed but not really original. I guess people looking for a Genta's watch would not look at the L&S and vice versa

[@khalidf5845]

Great again. Looooving the guards and pushers combination. Nice piece , hardly affordable. 👍

[@simonliu9363]

Hey! I guess you might never see this but I was hoping if you could make a video on the Grönefeld remontoire watch, the movement on each of their watches are so clean are beautiful and so different as well. It would be such a pleasure if you could make a video on it. Thanks! Love your videos 🔥

[@jokeassasin7733]

Did not expect the band to surprise me the most. That adjustment mechanism is genius.

[@JLchevz]

oh no doubt, I would absolutely wear this over any other sports watch perhaps except the patek 5960 and even then I'm not sure

[@kasterchoi7952]

When the rotor stops at 9:14 why does the gear connected to the rotor look like it tweaks over a bit? Genuinely curious.

[@toobalkain]

I thought it would grow on me, it hasn't, it just doesn't work with this bracelet, something's off.

[@shishioperez7379]

Seeing it in person would help, I think.

[@toobalkain]

@@shishioperez7379 it might, but is not needed with Royal Oak or Nautilus, a blurred image of those is enough to make you fall in love.

[@shishioperez7379]

I guess. But there is an element of them being so popular that turns me off. Your average joe knows about them. Personally I fancy GS, Breguet and Lange. Hence I may be biased.

[@toobalkain]

@@shishioperez7379 everybody says they fancy GS but few of those seem to fancy it enough to buy it, I for one am turned off by those hands. Breguet is hyped to high heaven but apart from XXI their design language just isn't on par. Lange are the kings of dress watch but steel sports yet.

[@shishioperez7379]

@@toobalkain 😃😃 Interesting take. -GS' spring drive and dails -Breguet's tourbillion and coin case -Lange's movements and finishing. What can I say? am an engineer (by profession) who loves art.

[@furiousg1904]

Please review the A. Lange & Söhne Odysseus White Gold , thanks and keep the great work!!

[@jensfiehler4716]

Saying "...You get handed a son ..." - while showing "Söhne" in the image. Just brilliant! Never thought about this.

[@russell996]

Great review. They are each amazing pieces and I love both. 🥃

[@styx4947]

Those day and date pushers will also,(in future) serve as chronograph pushers and potentially other complications as the model evolves

[@badllama8090]

Would love to see a video about Oris......

[@markbyrum4743]

Nice machine. The older i get the more i appreciate big dates! That's among the coolest bracelet adjustment I've seen! Good vid. Keep at it!

[@AngelInTheDesert]

I’ve been saying this since its release! Highly agree. In fact, I’d have a Royal Oak before a Nautilus too.

[@jimt7292]

superb review, as is always the case :) would love to own one.

[@Boros777]

I really don’t understand why the pushers have to always be active - way to easy to accidentally hit... and how often do you really need a quick change there?

[@MerlinsTeaboy]

I think that the pushers are only active when the crown is pulled out.

[@Boros777]

@@MerlinsTeaboy not sure, at least it doesn’t look like it at 4:00

[@russell996]

@@MerlinsTeaboy They are always active but need a positive push and I’ve never accidentally changed day or date.

[@porscheguy19]

I've never had a "grail watch" before. I've never seen one that I thought was actually worth €28.000 before. And I've never actually thought about the logistics of paying that much for a watch - until now. I'll never be able to buy it, but I would like to. Maybe through some miracle of chance some day...

[@alittleolder]

I am just wondering, what watches do you personally own and wear or do you wear more loaners?

[@michaeleccles3336]

It's brilliant, absolutely brilliant, like all ALS. I just don't like it.... (and my back is very pleased about that)

[@user-gl2eq2ly4g]

Bank

[@jumboJetPilot]

Its bracelet/case lugs somehow look disproportionate. Its dial isn’t very exciting as well. I don’t like it much either.

[@martinjn2920]

Two very different watches, the ALS is stunning, the Day/Date set up exquisite, but it is lacking something and for me it is everything that the Nautilus has in bucketloads, Style, Elegance and Refinement. The ALS is superb but it doesn’t do what the PP does, to me it’s a different type of watch, if money was no object I would have the ALS for day to day wear and the PP for evening wear. Now if ALS did central seconds and a date only version........

[@vktravellog1242]

The Alange is my dream watch 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰 wow that bracelet is amazing German Egineering! Bravo Bravo 👏

[@Sepheriel]

The Nautilus' lack of polish on the date numbers print is ridiculous for the price.