We Opened Up A FAKE Patek Philippe Nautilus | This Replica 5712 is INSANE!

Fake watches are getting better and better - and this Nautilus shocked us. Today, our Swiss-trained watchmaker takes apart a fake Patek Philippe Nautilus ref. 5712 that did not pass our authentication process and compares it to the real thing - outlining the key differences so you know what to look for when buying pre-owned.
This replica watch was consigned to us.
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:14 Dial
0:48 Hands
1:49 Moonphase
2:07 Case & Bracelet Finish
2:19 Bezel
2:35 Case
3:13 Movement
8:55 Box & Accessories
12:11 Checklist of things to look out for
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[@MrBlackiichan]

There is no way the authentic one - at a price of like $77,000 MSRP AUD - has the WRONG marker at 2 o’clock position…. Haha that’s insane!! Note the replica got it right 😂

[@InXLsisDeo]

Perhaps this defect was done on purpose, in order to recognize original ones from copies ?

[@GlutenEruption]

@@InXLsisDeo​​⁠​⁠ no, look at any pictures, he’s right. That’s definitely a 1 or 10 o’clock marker by mistake

[@robertbrandywine]

Can you explain? Aren't all the markers the same?

[@arcadely]

@@robertbrandywine No, look at the chapter ring end of the 10, 11, 1 and 2 markers. They're cut at an angle. The marker at 2 o'clock is clearly a marker for one of the other positions, that required a cut at the opposite angle, like 10 o'clock or 1 o'clock. It's extraordinary that this would be incorrect on a watch at this price point.

[@robertbrandywine]

Thanks, I see the pattern now. @@arcadely

[@k.s.8959]

I love that nobody mentions the typo "Quality Contral" on the Box - all eyes on details, font type etc. 🤭

[@appleman29]

lol right, that was the first thing I noticed on the box

[@J-dl3ey]

Have you seen the 2 marker on the authentic that is completely wrong by Patek?

[@mandimandi2523]

yeah, he overlooked it even he magnified it.....

[@marcusrobinson9816]

​@@appleman29❤❤

[@juxtaplay]

This is in fact why we zoomed in on it in the video!

[@simonassouline1230]

Your details and pinpoint differences on Real vs Fake, is top notch!

[@juxtaplay]

Thank you! We will always try to be objective about it.

[@swiftusmaximus5651]

11:00 if they are selling it now for $1000, they could make a perfect clone for $3-4000

[@blackjack8838]

What is the forking point of this expensive watches, beside to use as an uncomfortable jewelry? We all have phones where you can get all the time)) can anyone explain?)) I get expensive cars, houses, paintings that can influence the mood o r just things that we use everyday , but watch?))why ?))

[@twiki1963]

if you have to ask, then you’ll likely never understand why.

[@blackjack8838]

@twiki1963 don't play philosopher diklove! if can't explain don't reply

[@YesIAmSmarterThanYouPleaseCope]

I love that you don't remove spam comments. Really speaks to the quality of the channel.

[@craggerrs]

@@alltheusernameswastaken8936 sarcasm

[@YesIAmSmarterThanYouPleaseCope]

@@alltheusernameswastaken8936 Thank you.

[@bakielh229]

Yep, that's how you know KZbin and KZbinrs' priorities are in the right place

[@Outdoorshuntingshooting]

Like weeds, you kill one another one appears.

[@michaellau2544]

Finishing and print quality looks at times looks better in the replica when you do the side by side comparison. Amazing!😮

[@dereklin2421]

this is the first video ive seen of this channel, I'm loving it so far. keep it up! 👌

[@juxtaplay]

Thank you! Check out our others!

[@felizmurillo2121]

I really liked the video, a thorough comparison with details that at first glance one can ignore is appreciated...

[@aronhikisch5753]

The original dial is defective! The 2 o'clock index peaks in the wrong direction, it should peak upwards, as does the 10 o'clock index!

[@joaopepa]

Goos spot

[@juxtaplay]

Yes maybe they can sell this one at auction for a high value... These small mistakes are due to their immense pressure to meet demand but does not compromise the overall quality in terms of cleanliness or precision.

[@wristwatch-trader7237]

@@juxtaplay You could always "manufacture" this mistake if you wanted to, so I don't see the value being higher.

[@RAJohnson713]

How the hell did they miss that?

[@InXLsisDeo]

That's what 50,000€ buys you. As well as a crap box.

[@cedarcanoe]

Clone factories can deliver the same dial colour of course (nothing hard about that) but they typically do not deliver the exact same dial because they also want to sell v.2, v.3 etc of their clones

[@dylvasey]

Really good point. Never thought of it that way.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

That implies there are only a limited number of customers, I don’t think that is the case, at all.

[@archiegoodwinjr]

This is the first time I clicked on Wristcheck and I want to see more. I am impressed by the even tone of presentation, the clarity of the images, the studio environment. I also appreciate that the presenter did not judge the replica. After I (with a genuine Patek) was attacked on the street I thought of buying replicas of my daily watches to wear. Then I realized I might be attacked for a replica that looked too authentic. The prospect of being attacked and injured for wearing a $1k watch as opposed to a $100k watch put my situation in perspective. I got a fancy G-Shock but have not lived happily ever after. The G-Shock was very UNcomfortable (not well balanced, hurt my wrist, caught my jacket cuff, hard to read, clunky thing to unstrap).

[@USMCAllTheWay]

Sir, sorry to hear that you were attacked for your watch. Would you mind sharing the city were the event occurred? Thank you

[@ultramagnus7842]

I absolutely do like this content and I have subscribed. Thank you for sharing.

[@offroadfreak8582]

Quality video mate! I love the technical details!

[@juxtaplay]

I won't hold back on the technical bits! It seems many people want to get nerdy with it. Challenge accepted.

[@neilmartin6397]

Love your videos man! Please keep this type of content. The watch world needs you!

[@PeterWatchmakerWristcheck]

Thank you! A lot of people come together to make these videos possible. We will keep them coming!

[@LoopHole20]

Anyone else see that the ‘real’ Patek’s 2 marker appears to be a bodge job. Looks like they picked up a 10 marker from the parts bin and just slapped it on.

[@jonathancorbett7882]

This is hilarious. A guy discussing microscopic dust particles and small imperfections on the hands that aren't visible to the naked eye, but he misses the fact that not the correct indices were applied?! 🤦🏼‍♀🤦🏻‍♂🤦🏽 Since, as he claims, the watch hasn't been opened since it left the factory, this really goes to show how fantastic Patek's QC is.

[@mrpoopoo888]

​@@jonathancorbett7882 If the claim the watch hasn't been opened, then it's definitely a cause to return the watch. That said though, some might find it a "quirk" and actually value the watch higher.

[@wristwatch-trader7237]

Pretty unlucky for the content creator here. His point remains, but the reality is he just grabbed a used/scratched OEM to work with and wouldn't really know its history. It's also worth pointing out that *no one* is perfect, not even the demi-Gods of watchmaking. Glad you were able to identify and point this out - good stuff!!

[@ZesPak]

That's a good spot! Can't unsee it now you mention it.

[@PeterWatchmakerWristcheck]

@@jonathancorbett7882 Super important to differentiate the difference in cleanliness and continuity here. The "quality" is not compromised because of an incorrectly applied index. Goes to show that what they say must be true! No one is perfect. Neither Patek nor myself. But it is all in the details. Thanks for the criticism here. Mistakes can be a good catalyst for improvement.

[@rpals5412]

Glad I found your channel! Fantastic knowledge you poses about these watches and the production behind them. If you could get your hands on one of the Hublot big bang watches I would reallly love to see a replica vs real video on those like this video, that would be amazing. Gonna subscribe and hope that video will come some day 🙂

[@yamafanboy]

there is no way they got the intricate details of the movement so accurate then messed up the color of the moonphase. I think they did that on purpose as a business tactic to sell more watches. If you buy a patek clone and it's perfect there's no reason to upgrade to the newer better clone when it comes out. These clone factories understand how to make money also...

[@SnazzyZubloids]

I guess you didn't notice they even misspelled Quality "contral."

[@MlkXiu]

Breguet has done similar trick where the movement says 22 jewels and the picture on their website would say 24 jewels, so many reps/fakes say 24 jewels instead of 22 like the gen.

[@robertbrandywine]

Yeah, Sherwin Williams can color match better than that.

[@bongkem2723]

and the finishing on the seconds sub-dial too ;)

[@mrbrisvegas2]

@@SnazzyZubloidsIt is all deliberate. Every 6-12 months the clone factories release a new model with different (deliberate) flaws.

[@sweatiegonzalez9732]

I wonder if the owner of the real 5712 will ask Patek to replace his incorrect 2 marker... Interestingly, I have the latest version from PPF and my calipers show it to be slightly less than 9mm thick. My calipers only show 0.1mm accuracy so I can't tell exactly to the 100th mm. The logo on the bracelet also appears to be much better quality than the one you showed. The biggest tells for me are the regulator, the shallow engraving (it appears to be laser etched) and the relatively light winding weight. In any case it is a gorgeous watch. I just don't wear it, even in the house. I have a strong feeling these factories are leaving obvious tells on purpose as some kind of plausible deniability, so they can say "we're making replicas for people to use as decoys or try-ons, not trying to pass them off as real".

[@Reyone13]

@FBI

[@robertbrandywine]

It couldn't cost much extra to duplicate the weight of the rotor.

[@erichood3169]

Its gold ​@robertbrandywine

[@dsouza8015]

I love these replica videos, I'm really learning a lot about watches from them. Would love to see an comparison with an Explorer or Datejust!

[@juxtaplay]

We will continue to nerd out on this stuff! The technical bits are fun and important. Glad to hear you enjoy it.

[@chadvondra]

@@juxtaplay the new Clean factory Explorer 40mm would be very interesting to see a comparison on. Rumor has it is very very close to gen.

[@ekspatvos6264]

Super interesting and edifying video content. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience.

[@followyourpassion8378]

A very good view. I also like the calm way it is presented!

[@randyvfromtheperch]

Excellent review. I've SUB'd due to your in-depth and sophisticated overview. .

[@juxtaplay]

Thank you!

[@TheBugkillah]

If I saw that real box with the real watch, I’d question the watch.

[@kardush]

That proves to me that Patek is about watches, not boxes.

[@juxtaplay]

This is just a temp box for it to be stored at the AD. Their boxes are wood and very high quality. Next time we will compare the wooden boxes.

[@InXLsisDeo]

I checked the price: 50,000€. This has to be a joke. In Asia, you have wooden boxes lined with silk or flanel for items selling less than 100€.

[@ykx777]

it's not a joke the watches are extremely high quality @@InXLsisDeo

[@ListenToPowerViolence]

I love these comparison videos. Fakes are fascinating.

[@beowoulf355]

When you consider the real one costs $130K plus and the super replica $800, the quality is crazy.

[@alecbaldwinsnotpropgun]

Just proves how inflated the prices are

[@jjefferyworboys8138]

True, but unless you have all the other things that go with the lifestyle, why advertise that your life didn't turn out the way you had hoped it would. A friend had a fake rose gold Cartier he wore for business meetings and drove a new convertible Bentley. No one thought his watch was a fake, why would they ?

[@LeMarsouin9]

​@@alecbaldwinsnotpropgun when you have to develop your movement and not copy it of course it's not gonna be 800€. Not to mention the materials that are absolute crap on the fake

[@bongkem2723]

@@LeMarsouin9 material and movement is dirt cheap with today's tech and resources, chinese brands already made super complicated movement, Seagull for example made tourbillon, minute repeater... for sub 1k$ on their own (not replicating anyone). They copy this movement just because of the brand name and that's also the only thing hyped up the real watch.

[@MrBlackiichan]

Only the watch geeks would spot this anomaly - 99% of people have no idea. Plus personally, if someone knew it was a fake and judged me harshly for it, so be it, no water on my back man I just love the design! Plus the complications are fully functioning! which other brand can offer that for around $1,000? Its a tricky topic for sure @@jjefferyworboys8138

[@markhondaturbo]

One of the best real vs fake watch vids yet

[@user-hi9qs3hq1q]

I'm wondering 🤔.....if you replace the replica roter weight with an actual 22k roter weight of it will work as good as the original 🤔 I'm a jeweler so it would be cheaper and easier to do that than dropping 70k 🤔🤷🏽‍♂️

[@markhondaturbo]

@user-hi9qs3hq1q it wouldn't improve the movement, but it would look cool

[@Lonnie91a]

They can replica anything. Take it apart and laser scan it. They have to make them for the price point they are aiming for prob $500 wholesale. Gotta admit that’s crazy for $500. Imagine if their budget was $1000 or $1500 per watch. It would be exact. Scary.

[@swiftusmaximus5651]

or is it those Swiss ock uckers are just grossly way overcharging for theyre product?

[@carlad2640]

​@@swiftusmaximus5651They're obviously charging extra because they can, however the fakers dont have to spend on a designer, R&D and years of advertising and building the brand. Theres a reason they're faking these watches instead of putting their own brand on it.

[@swiftusmaximus5651]

@@carlad2640 So all that makes a $ 5-6000 watch cost $50-60 K.

[@seanmartin6227]

Maybe, maybe not, but why do you care? They can charge what they want and if people buy it then they're not out of the market. @swiftusmaximus5651

[@johnsaltzohuigin6660]

If they had half a brain they would just create their own brand. And sell for more as an original. The minor deviation alter the patent.

[@dscotp185]

Great video, very informative.

[@kyo86sg]

Thanks for this, going to order in the Rep shortly. 80 to 90% is good enough for me. 😂

[@escapednpc60]

90% likeness at 2% of the cost its a tough choice. Especially if you want to wear it daily.

[@connercollins1450]

do you know where to get a good rep?

[@squidballs101]

Where can I get these? Haha

[@escapednpc60]

@@squidballs101 just do a Web search for Super clone

[@kaixokaleabilbao2770]

If replicas are so good at a considerable lower value, that actually means that the authentic product might be overvalued. If a replica of a Ferrari manages to be 90% identical to a Ferrari at a 10% of its price that would mean that buying a Ferrari is not worth it.

[@twowheellatte]

You definitely pay premium for the original Ferrari or Rolex, but I wouldn't buy a fake Ferrari out of fear that a cost-cutting part or subpar weld would fail at a critical moment. When you buy the real thing you also buy the peace of mind that comes with the brand.

[@Chris-xl6pd]

@@twowheellatte "peace of mind that comes with the brand" How to tell me youve never driven a ferrari without saying it. Enzo hated his customers and that ethos is still part of the brand, they are not well made cars.

[@paulinthailand]

a ferrari couldnt be replicated, it would cost too much. i drive a ferrari. i have a few supercars all are amazing but not all are ferrari. an amg gtr is better every place than a ferrari but its still not a ferrari.

[@MrMadvillan]

that’s some twisted logic buddy. the value is the value - what the next guy is willing to pay for it. if someone tries to sell an inauthentic PP he’s either going to lose his shirt or commit a crime - that’s the “value” of a replica. maybe you’re confusing financial value with some sort of utility.

[@Tom-lh2ki]

Wells said, and we all agree its not worth it in the first place hahah

[@Karlo-ul9qt]

I need the link for the replica,such a beauty

[@israeli49]

Amazing, where so you get this watches from?

[@AVstunnz]

please keep doing real vs fake. best series ever! would love to see mk2 pepsi and hulk (:

[@PeterWatchmakerWristcheck]

Wholesome! Thank you. We plan to do more! Good recommendations.

[@starlite528]

not just the color of the moon phase, but the ragged edges of the print and the speckling.

[@rustyneuron]

Yes, that's what I was going to say; its "fuzzy".

[@bobbytirlea]

What really bothered me from the very start, was not the color of the replica's moon phase, but the painted stars on it are really blatantly executed. They are chunkier, whereas on the genuine one can clearly see how crisp and defined all of the stars" edges are! Captivating breakdown, thank you!

[@obcane3072]

You good with the upside 2 o'clock indice?

[@jokeassasin7733]

How do the newer movements compared to the JLC based Nautilus movements?

[@alejandrocerrud4049]

About the water resistance compare with the original?

[@StrikeTheRoot]

as an owner of a replica Patek. I make no apologies. I own many affordable genuine watches, but I wanted unobtanium. and I got it. I'm literally wearing it now and it looks great. Don't care if it's fake.

[@jakekaywell5972]

In that case, you're a fake person as well. Unobtainum should be left unobtainium unless you actually have the cash to splash for it.

[@Omega08082]

The crazy thing is that this replica can come with a free spring balance wheel and a laser engraved movement for a total cost of $3200. And of course, it is with a fully functional power reserve.

[@PeterWatchmakerWristcheck]

We have yet to see a free-sprung balance on a replica. It's not saying they can't do it but the price of the watch must remain within reach for those interested in the replicas.

[@cedarcanoe]

@@PeterWatchmakerWristcheck indeed, and $1000 is already pushing boundaries. I am afraid we will see hi-end fakes costing several thousands in the near future. The technology is there (reverse-engineering, CNC) as well as the market if the hi-horology brands keep treating prospect buyers disrespectfully.

[@filthyminges]

​@@eugo6100where ?

[@PeterWatchmakerWristcheck]

@@cedarcanoe I would bet we won't see high-end fakes like you're referring to. It's not in their interest to make such watches. The costs are too high and the buyers are too few. They have realised the largest market for "super clones" (they're not super at all) is $500-$800 USD. Closest thing we will see is individuals making super franken clones which we already see.

[@TheCorrectionist1984]

But where can you even buy these? You gotta go to China right?

[@dsigner]

0:22 the 2 o clock bar did not align correctly for the watch on the left labeled authentic. is that a production error?

[@PeterWatchmakerWristcheck]

Yes very rare production error. PP did not apply the correct index in this case.

[@zer0six472]

Great video Peter Ty 🤘

[@NANA-gy7yx]

I'm so convinced to buy a replica now! Thanks, bud!

[@thebrickshooter5974]

just don't. You're buying from criminals just so you can showboat what you don't have. Not to mention that the watch was produced with very bad working conditions.

[@kgbcorvette]

Not everyone has $88.000 to buy a stupid watch!! @@thebrickshooter5974

[@malcombe7001]

No pay the inflated price. Actually, if you want a new one, you're not allowed to look in the window, let alone go in the shop. Trinkets for people with more money than sense. Its a sad world, two of these watches could house a family, but they'd rather wear it on their wrist, its actually revolting.

[@malcombe7001]

​@@thebrickshooter5974 200 x more, whoes the criminal?

[@NANA-gy7yx]

@@thebrickshooter5974 criminals? How so?

[@kingxerxes3139]

All credits for the replica companies. This shows me why I never will pay that amount for the real deal. Respect, and keep up the great work!

[@wallynocker]

excellent video, very cool..... why have I never heard of wristcheck ? .... I'm a fan, subscribed !!

[@YTAlnyc]

I just found your channel and this is great One more thing you did not mention but that stands out to my eye is that on the moon dial the moon and the stars on the fake watch are not as sharp as on the real watch. Noticed that right away.

[@richardwarren4830]

As AI progresses it will, in a short time, be virtually impossible to tell real from fake probably to the extent that the distinction becomes blurred. Did you ever see the film Blade Runner based on the Philip K Dick novel ‘Do Androids dream of Electric Sheep?’ Basis of the story is the technology has been developed to produce replica human beings (Replicants) indistinguishable from real people. Far fetched? I wonder.

[@peterRobinson10101]

Your right. But as blockchain develops it will ensure authenticity. You will simply scan your friends watch band at the bar... and this will confirm that the Watche and ita corresponding NFT is unique and registered.... of course the private key is stored at home in a safe. When sold on fhe aftermarket Patek is notified and a new private key NFT is issued to the new buyer. This tech is here now and will be mainstream within the next few years.

[@GeraldDonovan]

I think it's wonderful how you create these educational videos for the replica manufacturers so that they know where to focus on their product development.

[@juxtaplay]

Let's not forget they have the authentic watch in their possession. We do this to educate people so they know what to look for. The replica industry will thrive with or without our video production.

[@GeraldDonovan]

@@juxtaplay Having the authentic watch in their possession and knowing where they need to make improvements and what to prioritise are not the same thing. I have witnessed this kind of thing personally where following my publicly highlighting issues with faked dials on vintage watches, 18-24 months down the line the people replicating the original dials have addressed every single issue that I raised. As an aside, you'd be surprised how difficult it can be - particularly for those for whom the "English"/"Western" alphabet is not their native one - to duplicate fonts perfectly. There are several issues with the fonts here also of course, although frankly in this instance it's interesting to note that the printing of the dates is objectively of higher quality on the fake watch than the original. Regardless of whatever your honourable intentions are with videos like this one, what you have actually created is probably the best possible advert and publicity for the replica manufacturers that they could ever hope for, whilst at the same time giving them clear and specific instructions on how to improve their product.

[@followyourpassion8378]

You are missing the point. The video really helps promoting the clone. If they can produce at this level, they don't need any pointers. They only need to bring the price down.

[@GeraldDonovan]

@@followyourpassion8378 Nah, I'm not missing the point at all. Maybe spend some time looking at how the rep factories have been improving their product over the last decade, and then come back and state that you reckon they're happy now and will just stop. But do enjoy the little fantasy world that you inhabit, it sounds lovely.

[@obcane3072]

1:06 is that a scratch on the watch at 5 oclock? I thought it was just opened? And the 2 oclock indice is upside down.

[@christopherengstrom5622]

Whats up with the indicies at ten and two o’clock on the authentic, they are not symmetrical? Looks off to me ?

[@ohger1]

As someone who would never own either a copy or a real Patek (I could easily though), I'm amazed that the best way to tell this is a fake is have a $50K example handy with which to compare it as well as the knowledge to see the tiny differences. For the person who would want a copy, this watch will pass any "bar" test - even a jeweler couldn't tell this is a fake if he was looking at it on someone else's wrist. I honestly can't believe there's that big a market for these that it's worth the effort to set up a facility to replicate something as complicated as the movement itself. Strange times.

[@TXLorenzo]

What is insane is that those with the money for the real watch will buy a replica to wear in public in fear of it getting stolen.

[@shahlegno5890]

so it's more safe like that

[@jjefferyworboys8138]

The only reason I would buy a replica is that I already owned the real one.

[@shahlegno5890]

@@jjefferyworboys8138 yes correct

[@TXLorenzo]

Oh, I understand the security aspects of wanting to wear the fake outdoors, but doesn't that interfere with the enjoyment of the real thing? Also, it is still illegal in many countries to trade in fakes with some pretty severe penalties. It is just sad that you have to resort to these measures not to lose your investment.@@shahlegno5890

[@Vusseyv]

I am considering just this as I can’t wear my Rolexes in London for fear of theft.

[@evilAshTheDog]

This is a fun video! In the future, please consider a different (or no) additional audio tracks in the background.

[@dl5066]

anywhere know where I can get one?

[@markheywood5626]

It amazes me the original one is in a cheap box that’s shocking

[@cc8530]

I know what you mean, but in reality once you open the box, you’ll never see it again, unless you wear the box on your head, boxhead

[@markheywood5626]

@@cc8530I have an Omega Seamaster 300. When I don't wear it I put it in the box with the lid open to display it.

[@johannakamstra-schickendan7380]

That’s not the box you get when you buy the real ones, I have seen one and they are very high quality

[@rickliners6123]

In today's environment, the moral of the story is: only buy from AD. It's just too risky to buy from secondary market. If I'm spending 30k-40k for a watch I would just have to demand that a guy like Peter meet with me, open the watch in front of me, and show me all the indicators the watch is authentic. For an experienced watchmaker it might take 30 mins but, justified for a customer ready to drop 5 figures on an item. I've had instances where I spent 4-5 hours before I could walk away after buying a car. Why not a watch? You can also do it remotely, over TEAMS video or facetime for out of state buyers. It's not that you do not trust the dealer, it's that even dealers can be fooled.

[@juxtaplay]

That's why we do what we do! We authenticate every watch in front of the client if they wish as you mentioned. This transparency is the only way the secondary market can feel "safe." Of course we find things that make us uneasy but those watches never make it to consignment. Very few secondary dealers actually have a watchmaker/authenticator with enough experience to inspect all of the watches.

[@robertbrandywine]

Any watch enthusiast could tell it was a fake 5 seconds after opening it.

[@treelineresearch3387]

Do these movements show up for purchase anywhere as sterile clone calibers? I have no interest in having a fake, but I'd build a parts watch around this movement.

[@Landofsmiles999]

Insane boss, great wrist check, just subscribed

[@1986xuan]

Babe wake up, Wristcheck released another replica comparison video!

[@PeterWatchmakerWristcheck]

"And the most wholesome comment goes toooooo"

[@orangejuice7156]

Sometimes it's swissrex, now it's H8 something. Good job scammers in the comments

[@julianwinn4502]

Fascinating to see how the fake watch is so closely modelled on the real thing.

[@rpfree]

Great concise information!

[@drhadifodil3001]

We all know that it's impossible to obtain this type of model from an authorized dealer, and because the super clones are becoming more and more sophisticated and closer to the authentic ones, I no longer buy from the grey market, even if it's a trusted dealer. Thank you for your encouraging video, and it's a pity that timepiece enthusiasts are penalized in this way.

[@classicsciencefictionhorro1665]

Same.

[@obcane3072]

This seems to be an advert for super clone reps. 😳

[@stevemundie8495]

These fakes are INCREDIBLY GOOD for the price. Most of the comparison on the outside was done with MAGNIFICATION i.e cannot be seen with the naked eye. Fakes can also be "improved". 99.9% of the population could not tell the difference especially if they are not side by side with a real one and without magnification.

[@BonGrips]

I imagine the guys running the counterfeit shop are very pleased you made this video lol

[@Pick3Lotto]

so where is the best place to buy the replica

[@craigmk6]

It’s getting to a point where someone wearing a replica could laugh at someone wearing a genuine watch.. so close for so little money.

[@EGO0808]

Until you own the real watch. Then you'd laugh at all fakes. The feeling you get when owning an original Patek, AP or alike is incomparable. I know the fake lovers will start shouting now, but that's because they need to prove it to themselves they scored a good deal. Whereas the fake is just a fake.

[@1990HondaEFHatch]

Love the series man. So what I took away from this is they are achieving 85% of the quality externally with a price of 1000 dollars lmao. Issue is they will only get better.

[@WestCoastAce27]

Cheap labor? 0 marketing cost?

[@floridaboybrandon954]

@@WestCoastAce27cheap labor yes , $0 marketing cost not necessarily. They have marketing pages on Reddit where they explain which factory , which upgrades are coming , what upgrades have been done and they do giveaways and 10-30% off etc etc , TikTok, and other platforms also. And they pay KZbinrs to do reviews . They do the same with fake sneakers

[@vali69]

It's actually more like half of that amount. You have to know where to look for with these replicas to find the cheapest prices, most of the sellers you'll find easily are targeting you specifically, basically the foreign market, but if you look for those within the chinese domestic market you'll find they're selling these for much cheaper to themselves basically.

[@famts3716]

Price is like 3650 yuan from my dealer so it’s 500 dollars not 1000 lol

[@filthyminges]

​@@famts3716what website did you find it on?

[@StaWAR959]

looking forward for a review on datejust 41 from vsf, probably best dj on rep market

[@gibboj]

hi with the movement in the fake , do thay keep good time ? and if you bought a watch with this fake movement in would it be as good as say a saiko for let`s say £200 and would it keep running for 15yr ? as saiko`s do ?

[@Supernov4]

No and no.

[@timothyjn]

🤯 after watching this I’m astonished people would pay $100,000 more for a real PP!

[@happinesscompilation5252]

With modern technology, a replica will be 99% the same as the original. Even the movement accuracy will be the same. So the question is should you buy a replica instead because it's much cheaper.

[@Matt463634]

The accuracy of this was all over the place, you can see it on the timegrapher reading.

[@dylvasey]

But that can easily be overcome by regulating the watch. I have a Batgirl super clone in front of me that keeps incredibly good time, easily on par with its more expensive dad.@@Matt463634

[@osas1684]

They only reason to buy a real watch is because of it’s value or because it’s a very unique watch

[@juxtaplay]

It's not as simple as regularly unfortunately. The entire manufacturing process determines the precision once you get to the adjustment and poising stage. The reality is, yes they are cosmetically achieving close to 90% but the overall quality is closer to 30%. These watches don't last.

[@osas1684]

@@juxtaplay Yes indeed. I thought replica watches are treated as a disposable anyway.

[@CPooter]

What about the weight of the watch eg the 5811 is white gold so isn’t matching the weight really difficult?

[@fbernacke]

UNBELIEVABLE JOB!!!!

[@brichard11]

I think what this kind of proves is that a Patek-Philippe just isn't worth as much as they sell it for. Even with all the finishing that goes into them, the price is just beyond insane.

[@pierrex3226]

And that's a surprise? The world of extreme luxury has nothing to do with value. It's about the stories we tell ourselves and the image we want to project.

[@ffrederickskitty214]

@@pierrex3226keeps highly-skilled craftsmen in jobs too. Ultimately the monetary value of something is only what people are prepared to pay for it. Personally, I’d hate to live in a world where everything is mass-produced by robots. I’d love a Patek Philippe, but they are way out of my pocket 😂

[@Daniel-tc7jr]

The only problem is I know it’s fake when I have it on. That’s why I wouldn’t buy it

[@LTE18]

3:02 is measuring watches with metal caliper a common practice? i know they are more accurate comparing to plastics ones but wouldnt that scratch the watch surface easily?

[@juxtaplay]

Sapphire is scratch resistant. We only measure from crystal to crystal with low pressure. We also have plastic sliding calipers for watches that are in "brand new" condition.

[@cokemachine5510]

Could you swap parts? Like a balance and bridge? Bolt right in?

[@chronograph750]

Not with the Patek movements no

[@Hidz11]

I would buy both versions. Keep the authentic one at home and wear the replica one daily.

[@akademiks21]

Why buy it if it's something you can't afford to wear 😂

[@peterkiviat9969]

​@@akademiks21Because crime and acceptance of robbery in most U.S. cities has become the rule. Owning the original and wearing a superclone enhances the experience by lowering fear. Many wealthy women with expensive engagement rings have been doing this for decades

[@akademiks21]

@@peterkiviat9969 if that was case, go buy a less expensive watch as daily, why get an rep? Real reason is that these people pushed beyond their means to purchase something that they otherwise can't afford. No differ than someone who bought a 10th hand Ferrari then let it sit on the driveway because they can't afford maintenance.

[@TravelsoftheCat]

Having purchased many authentic watches, it's really hard for me to justify paying the asking prices for them when you can get 95% for a few percent of the price, to the point where if there is a superclone, I will 100% buy that first now before even considering buying the authentic one. Especially for watches without any complications, there really is very little reason to buy the authentic ones anymore.

[@juxtaplay]

So you're confusing the cosmetic similarity and the overall quality. Cosmetic may be getting closer to 90% but the overall quality is actually 30-40%. These watches will not last.

[@TravelsoftheCat]

@@juxtaplayNot exactly. I know it's not the same thing, not do I expect the quality to match, nor do I expect it to last. But after I got one superclone and I look at it back and forth compared to my authentic one, it's very hard for me to justify paying 20-30x the price for more of them. For watches with actual complications, I can see the value, but not for your basic date function. For maybe $400 USD, it does the job plenty.

[@InXLsisDeo]

@@juxtaplay I don't see a reason why these watches won't last given they are built the same as the originals.

[@EGO0808]

Your statement makes it hard to believe you ever bought an authentic high end watch. You wouldn't question an authentic watch. Never. It's not about the price, it's about the authenticity and the quality, hence its intrinsic value.

[@EGO0808]

@@InXLsisDeo because they don't. Clearly you do not understand haute horlogerie and the engineering that goes with it.

[@MrAaronkoshy]

Great video but you missed a big section. How does the movement/accuracy of the fake compare with the real thing?

[@orlando124431]

Where did you get it from?

[@riccochet704]

I think what's more amazing to me is that a genuine Patek comes in a cardboard box. We're talking about a $100,000+ watch....in a cardboard box. That's like taking delivery of your Ferrari SF90 keys in a McDonalds BigMac box slathered in special sauce. Here you go, sir. Here's your $100,000 watch...would you like fries with that?

[@markhondaturbo]

That is how the watches are shipped to the AD, the AD is then supposed to open the paper box and put the watch in the mahogany Patek box

[@juxtaplay]

Mark is correct here. This is a temp box that is a placeholder for the wooden box that is allocated to the client when they open chase the watch. The watch must now be removed from the temp box before it leaves the AD.

[@EGO0808]

Please don't expose ignorance.

[@martinvalle875]

Great content, I am partly saddened that people feel the need to buy fakes, if they want a Patek just save for it, if you can’t do that buy an alternative.

[@juxtaplay]

I hear ya! But they make them because they sell them... And there are many people interested especially seeing the recent watches being so cosmetically similar to the authentic.

[@BrianBTeman-in2rc]

Why? It looks exactly the same and it can fool people that you have money even though you really don’t

[@martinvalle875]

@@juxtaplay I do understand what you’re saying, however it’s not the genuine thing. It’s a cheap fake, it’s much better to buy a real watch from another brand that a person can realistically afford instead of support illegal business. Not only that because it is a fake the value of the watch is worth nothing. You can’t even pass it on when you get old. In the end the watch will either brake or go in the trash because it is a fake. If it was real it would always be worth something, even if you bought another brand that would be worth something. But a fake won’t give you the real experience, waste your money, and is of no real value. I respect your opinion but a watch is a symbol of hard work or accomplishment. The fake gives neither.

[@martinvalle875]

@@BrianBTeman-in2rc That’s my point, why be deceptive? A lie only goes so far, and usually you have to keep lying to cover up the original lie you told when the truth is the watch is cheap Chinese made. It is better to buy what you can afford. If you pay 1000 USD for fake, you just lost all that money because you can’t sell or pass on, Or service a fake watch. For 1000 USD you can buy many good brands that hold real value. If you buy fake it will brake and you will have to throw it in the trash because it is a fake. It’s better to be the real you. If you can afford Longines, Tudor, Mido, Oris you are better off than 1000 fake Chinese watch.

[@WestCoastAce27]

Agree. But… do you know even if you win Powerball you have very little chance of getting the real thing? For Patek - and AP and Rolex - there are giant waiting lists.

[@tylerufen]

so where can i get the replica from..?

[@djfernando16]

Your arguments really sold me on the 50k authentic one vs the 1k knockoff!

[@BrianBTeman-in2rc]

I’ll buy a fake if it will save me thousands

[@RiZenAsH]

Well considering the average Patek is around 100k and you can get a damn near identical replica for under 1k then I’d consider that a substantial savings.

[@jaredmeyers4159]

And if you want to make it even closer, you can get all the mods including that gold rotor, engraved bridges and that “patented” free sprung balance wheel.

[@Bippy55]

Great video. More power to you. I once heard that the replica sellers have no (0) customer service or warrantee after the sale. So if it breaks 3 weeks after purchase, you're stuck! Something to remember.

[@robertbrandywine]

Not likely to fail with that kind of quality plus you could have a watchmaker fix it for not too much. The main reason not to buy a fake is because *you* know it is a fake.

[@marvindebot3264]

That would depend on the seller, some have very good after sales service, some have none, some take your money and run.

[@Nicocastro_]

Thats insane, thanks for this research for us. Best regards

[@ChristianDanielMunoz]

Great content!

[@claytonstokes8655]

I know all about purchasing a fake. My wife bought it for $200.00 under the table purchase was just to good to be true. The watch itself is stunning, I love the look, and I am very happy with it nonetheless. We found out it was not “real” when I tried to register the watch. I started to notice the difference between the side buttons, and then the number did not work. I was at first worried that it might have been stolen. Happy it’s a fake and not stolen.

[@RobertGrant80]

you really think your wife got one of these for 200 dollars?! LOL

[@claytonstokes8655]

@@RobertGrant80 a fake one, yes. I don’t think I would even purchase a real one ($195,000) if I won the lottery!

[@Emmepi37]

Excellent video !

[@actroutt]

at the 00:21 mark, doesn't it look like the 2 o'clock indices is flipped. Shouldn't the beveled end closet to the outside of the dial be slanted the other direction - like the fake one?

[@juxtaplay]

Yup! Patek applied the incorrect index on this particular watch. All manufacturers make mistakes but the cleanliness and precision is their priority during the quality control.

[@actroutt]

@@juxtaplay lucky watch owner then, right. Does this up the value? I know dial mistakes on Rolexes usually do?

[@the_snopro]

great video. I have both. I have a black sub date thats gen but I folded and bought a panda daytona rep because im not paying 30k+ for a 15k retail watch

[@alecpainter5204]

Makes you wonder why we haven't seen a decent Chinese luxury brand. They've clearly got the types of craftsmen that can do amazing work.

[@TweezerWieldingLunatic]

11:29 Going to quote Peter Glomb with this one a lot (including the laugh). 💪🏼😎

[@PeterWatchmakerWristcheck]

Sorry my inner Kawhi Leonard was showing there.

[@crooked-halo]

That justification for purchase at the end hit home. People can't afford the real thing & buy a fake. I bought a fake Rolex on the street in Mexico City in the early 1990s for around $50. I'm not into Rolex (except the $250k one I inherited), but fake Rolex were/are a popular thing on Mexican streets & I wanted to buy one for fun, as a souvenir. My fake Rolex worked perfectly, kept accurate time & looked great. I often got compliments on it. About 10 years later I gave it to a friend who really liked it & knew about it. This was a great watch & fun for me since I bought it on a Mexico City sidewalk.

[@douglasmstewart]

Another great video.

[@feetze]

pretty impressive - pretty funny in the whole context: it says quality contral instead of quality control on the replica @9:45 🤣

[@J-dl3ey]

What's even more hilarious is that Patek put on the 2 marker the wrong way on their own dial.

[@GameplaysTvHD]

Wait, isn't the index at 2 o'clock a wrong one on the Gen? One that should go at 10 o'clock? The Rep has gotten it correctly

[@donatala1]

excellent review

[@ZinosMalaka]

I've just received my 5712 through a Chrono24 dealer. The quality is incredibly good! However, I wanted to make sure if it's a genuine watch and checked if the watch has a Curb Regulator. It doesn't (i felt immediatley reliefed)! But then I used a caliper to measure the thickness, and it's 8.8mm. According to the manufacturer, it should be 8.52mm. That left me uncertain. But you also state that the genuine one has 8.8mm. Could it be that Patek measures differently? And do all the other websites online simply adopt the 8.5mm measurement that Patek provides?

[@juxtaplay]

Thickness is quite gray believe it or not. We measure every watch we consign and even two identical references will vary slightly. The manufacturers always post a thickness as a reference but there is a variance. +/- 0.2mm depending on the watch.

[@ZinosMalaka]

thank you really much for your reply! thats good to know @@juxtaplay