I Don't Like Modern PVZ2 Bringing Back PVZ1 Plants.

[@ExtraYSI]

I got a body wash ad on this video

[@TheRedStinger82]

Old spice

[@ThatDevilBrony]

Mr. Clean for me

[@freshi254]

👁️ 👁️🧴 🦶🦶

[@zepplinkiwigamer8217]

Wash your body. *_NOW_*

[@amir12789]

Reese’s ad

[@username5155]

My main concern is that when they start running low on plants, they’re going to have to add * gulp * coffee bean back.

[@leiwang9087]

I thought the mushroom plants no longer sleep during the day, unlike in PvZ 1.

[@username5155]

@@leiwang9087 That’s why I’m concerned

[@zaptrap1002]

Coffee Bean is already in the Chinese Version to help counter Archmage Zombie that put plants to sleep in the Dark Ages also gives plants a small minor damage boost

[@CoralReaper707]

--Coffee Vine--

[@EpikBirb]

They could make Coffee Bean energize the plants (ex. the Chocolate from the first game) for a while and make his sun cost 50 If he was added when Dark Ages was released I'd like the mushroom plants to be half awake in the day because of their tiredness and afterwards fall asleep

[@Bd-qs5bn]

the only good returning plant ever is pumpkin :heckyea:

[@Vizedar]

what about sunflower 🙏

[@marktheuncanny]

True

[@Justcommentinhere]

Mega gatling pea????

[@rhinowithInternetaccess]

​@@Justcommentinhereway to op please nerf

[@ShowGames_TV]

and yet its design is cheap and sucks

[@JoseViktor4099]

For the Scaredy Shroom removal, one of the main reason why of this decision along a lot of shroom that as well got removed on DA was because a lot of Popcap Developers left PvZ2 during Dark Ages development. Thats also the reason for being the shortest world.

[@SylviaYSI]

Yeah, with that context it does make a lot more sense. Though I also feel like even back then, PopCap probably realized that Scaredy would have been a better Peashooter if he worked the same way that he did in PVZ1

[@Therevengeforget]

@@SylviaYSI That's... not exactly a high bar.

[@Duppling]

​@@TherevengeforgetI mean, if you take plant levels into account Peashooter kinda skyrockets in usefulness. Well, although at a pretty steady pace. Peashooter, along with the other plants you get in the tutorial, cost much less seed packets to level up. After playing for just a week and only doing pinata parties for ancient egypt, my Pea was already dealing more damage than Repeater for only 75 sun. Granted, Repeater now also deals more damage at the cost of 175, but it still makes the early game a breeze. Truly fitting of its role, ol' reliable.

[@Therevengeforget]

@@Duppling Leveling makes every plant reliable, that's not an excuse.

[@Duppling]

@@Therevengeforget ... Except every other plant besides the tutorial ones take MUCH longer to level up compared to pea. I actually decided to replay the game again and I got pea to level 5 in just 2 days. 2 days! Pea packets are extremely easy to come across compared to all other plants. Good luck doing that with literally anything else.

[@NovaMSM]

As someone who stopped playing after the adventure mode ended, It's a shame to see the huge drop in quality the game has been facing, especially in it's art and animations.

[@SylviaYSI]

What I hope for is that the game does get somewhat back to where it was in the past, but knowing modern PopCap… not likely

[@Clay-camo]

NOVA I DIDNT EXPECT YOU TO BE HERE!

[@kristindrummond8480]

@@Clay-camo same

[@Wood-bn4de]

MSM FOREVER

[@Guest_5A1K1]

no way Nova what are you doing here

[@Justcommentinhere]

Tbh I think that mega g. Pea was best of these. He has cool new design, is slightly reworked, and still usefull.

[@SylviaYSI]

Fair enough, honestly. And I’ll say this much about this one at least: the anims are good

[@Justcommentinhere]

@@SylviaYSI Yeah. I also think that mega and levitator were final plants of original devs because designs still look somewhat pvz2, animations are good, and they are far more unique...

[@boilington]

​@@SylviaYSIThat's because they're just reused!

[@thepizzaman6310]

​@@boilingtonlevitater is fully original, so it can't be reused. But for M Gatling... fair

[@boilington]

@@thepizzaman6310 I never said anything about Levitater!

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

Trust me, you’re not the only one. It’s obvious that they’re only doing it as nostalgia bait, and they’re pretty open about it lol. I’m pretty sure they’ve had bundles offering MGP, Scaredy Shroom, and I forget what else, and labeled it as a “Nostalgia Bundle.” They really should have pulled the plug on PvZ2 a long time ago, because this is starting to get even more sad than it was before.

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@AzureWolf168 I mean, even with the “trying harder,” with each update, the game loses quality. What I should have clarified is that they should cut content updates in PvZ2 so they can focus more on PvZ3 and get it out. At least there they have an excuse for the different artstyle.

[@nerotoni3253]

The third plant in the bundle was torchwood

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@nerotoni3253 Alright, thanks.

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@AzureWolf168 I’m not a big fan of some of the recent design choices. The odd new font, the deteriorating consistency between plant designs, and the even worse powercreep and animation makes the game feel hollow. But that’s just my opinion.

[@CoralReaper707]

I feel you. The dead horse that Popcap is beating is nothing more than dust at this point.

[@SpicyInk]

They saw the hype mega gatling pea generated and tried to repeat it. The problem is that other plants just don't work in pvz2. Ice shroom is just ice bloom again Scaredy shroom is just peashooter again but worse Sea shroom can only be used in a single world Mega gatling pea had none of these issues making it's return good

[@RayPhilip700]

Ice shroom has received a complete buff and 2 new abilities, the guy who runs this youtube channel has done 0 research and basing everything he's read on how bad scaredy shroom is, which is the only thing he's right on. And Sea Shroom has received a grid item which can partner and be used along with him.

[@stinkyramirez]

​@@RayPhilip700but probably sea-shroom still have the puff-shroom ability and only plantable on water

[@DanialTarki]

So… Scaredy Shroom is basically the same.

[@gabrielvera8988]

@@stinkyramirez Aqua Vine will cover that issue. Yeah , Sea Shroom needs another plant to work without puddles

[@DaNoob1485]

About Sea Shroom. I’m 99.9% sure that it’s canceled. I think the devs realized it would be absolutely useless and no one would care for it in any way. There hasn’t been any work done for Sea-Shroom sense it’s design got leaked… so yeah it’s definitely scrapped at this point. (Also before anyone mentions Nightcap being leaked long before she got added. Just note that Nightcap actively got changed and worked on in each patch, while Sea Shroom isn’t even a plant in the files, it’s only a Seed Packet image.)

[@SylviaYSI]

I hope that’s the case, because frankly it doesn’t need to exist 😭

[@popkorn6844]

there's actually a grid item called "puddles" and "potholes" in the works and they're basically big wave beach water but only on one tile. this is 99.9% being done for sea shroom so he can be usable in arena and other stuff

[@Monarchbean]

The fact they’d need to go that far just to make sea shroom usable speaks nukes

[@drago252]

theres 2 problems with this as 1: Nightcap took an insanely long time, and look in the upcoming content in the wiki theres Puddles

[@DaNoob1485]

@@drago252 for the first one you mentioned. thing is. Nightcap is a very complex plant with multiple entirely brand new abilities they had to program. Sea Shroom is literally just Puff Shroom but water. Even if they gave it a new ability, I highly doubt it would take this long to make. As for the puddles and potholes, I have no idea what those are for. but I highly doubt it’s for Sea Shroom. Maybe their an attempt to make Sea Flora not useless in their eyes (which wouldn’t work sense Sea Flora is trash but that’s besides the point) or they might be trying to make more water plants (dear god please no) either way, Sea Shroom probably isn’t happening. It could happen. Wouldn’t put it past modern Popcap. But still, probably ain’t happening.

[@za.ni_toko]

scaredy shroom literally came from looking like a taller puff shroom to a goddamn emo shroom or smth

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

All of the newer plants look more “animated,” and yet their animation is leagues worse than the standard ones. Great job, PopCap!

[@Hipnopoleon]

​@@TwilightChomperEnthusiastthats my problem with the new palnta: that noghtcap for a example: it looks like the animation is identicao to the trumpet meme

[@imspoilerina9228]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING. I really don’t know why they decided to give him a new major design when his original design from the first game was literally perfect. The eyes, the mouth, and the stem literally didn’t have to be changed but for some reason they decided to make look tired/really freaking high. I’m sorry for ranting.. I just really dislike the design they gave him…

[@tangerinepaint3643]

Reminds me of luigi from those flash animations for some reason

[@mrsbo-h2e]

he actually had a old scrapped design that looked much better than the current one where he was basically a better drawn version of his pvz1 design

[@GNVS300]

I'm pretty sure they're significantly reworking Ice-Shroom in PVZ2, so he at least feels more reasonable than something like Scaredy-Shroom. I do agree though, and it's nice to see a video like this that's a reasonable length and not stretched out to 20 minutes for next to no reason.

[@JoseViktor4099]

I Heard he was gonna be a Melee plant/short ranged attacked? Huh, seems interesting honestly.

[@rhinowithInternetaccess]

​@@JoseViktor4099now he has 3x3 aura around him that chills zombies and buffs winter mint plants so he's now a moon flower but for ice plants

[@autismandgaming4532]

Oh look, the guy who petitioned they bring doom shroom back even agrees with this subject. I don’t think that’s good for Popcap

[@JoseViktor4099]

@@rhinowithInternetaccess Seems that I was mistaken. Thanks

[@GNVS300]

@@autismandgaming4532 lol I never formally petitioned, and stopped when he was added as BBF's Plant Food. Plus Heath Seeker pretty much outclasses Doom

[@ItsDelano]

What MUST come back in the game is survival endless They made vasebreaker but no longer updated it, despite some POTW levels in pennys pursuit being vasebreaker levels

[@chaosthebaryonyx6344]

Or I zombie but they will never add those

[@Ringanden201]

​@@chaosthebaryonyx6344we *need* i zombie tbh

[@lankylank274]

Well, the main reason why we got more PvZ1 returners is because as you said, PvZ2 is a decade old by now so they might be doing this to celebrate, the problem is the choice, they brought back Gatling Pea last year and then they went to the COMPLETE opposite of the scale and brought back Scaredy Shroom, made a design for Sea Shroom, and making a VASTLY reworked Ice Shroom for the next update, Doom Shroom would have been a better choice because we need SOME counter to the bullshit zombie spam of the later worlds, Gloom Shroom would have made a better choice and has actually been made into one of the best custom plants in recent time, the fucking UMBRELLA LEAF would have been a better choice when you take into consideration all of the zombies and projectiles that fall from above, it’s almost like Umbrella Leaf was MEANT for PvZ2 for god's sakes!

[@randomgapper]

hello there

[@CarinaSacks]

I completely agree with all that, and they could add gold magnet, but change him that he could could collect sun instantly when sun comes. Though it wouldn’t exactly make it a GOLD magnet.

[@lankylank274]

there is actually a concept idea for Gold Magnet in PvZ2 on scratch of all things and for the most part, it's rather solid

[@lankylank274]

That's more of a cameo, and even then, it isn't the real Doom Shroom

[@that1apple]

4:42 this part aged like fine wine

[@owenisaparasitemoveonhydrus]

3:49 and this did not age like fine wine

[@dukefang1001]

They turned my boi Doom Shroom into a… a pebble. I can’t really put into words how they butchered him so, only that they have.

[@HuskgamerI]

I agree with your video 100% but some of the returning plants personally I don't have a problem with them like the gatling pea and cattail for example and some of them might get a buff or a different power like ice shroom being a moon flower for ice plants but my problem is how they are introduced as a premium plant that make them less useful overful and also the animation and style is going low quality in the recents which will make the returning plants overall fell worse if those new plants/returnig plants have a purpose in a new world designed for them with better visual and animation I think the community will happily accept them (like the umbrella leaf defend from multiple obstacles and zombies in that world it was designed for) but for now It's totally annoying how they use nostalagia bait for money and we all agree if gold magnet makes a return in pvz2 we would literally lose our minds 🤣

[@doge_guy11]

Cat tail on land in pvz 2 (and possible to f2p to get) is all i want (also not trash)

[@AwesomeGamer-om4hm]

Seeing the talk in the comments on Ice Shroom changing, if I were to change Scaredy Shroom, I would utilize some of the popular ideas in changing him such as higher hiding defense and shooting way faster when zombies are closer. One change of my own would be that when a zombie bites into him even once, they get poisoned. I mean, look at him. He's a flipping mushroom, and mushrooms are usually known to be toxic.

[@Sonque123]

An idea i'd like is giving scardy shroom an mid-evil sheild when he uses the plant food. It sticks around and it gives scardy shroom the hp of that of an wallnut with the sheild

[@vietkoala303]

They gonna add umbrella leaf any second now Scratch that they gonna add flower pot any second now

[@popkorn6844]

umbrella leaf could be good to finally counter octo zombies, garguantuars throwing imps, jesters and more so i definitely think they could rework it to be a cool plant

[@goober4347]

flower pot could allow potato mines to be planted on lily pads! not much, but it's something!

[@melonman2225]

​@@goober4347a potato mine in top of a flower pot while also in top of a lily pad just sounds useless

[@Boogar3514]

If they add flower pot, Make a pvz1 recreate and have roof be in the game

[@WhynotTheTheory]

The unique good plants that came back are on China, Cattail, Cob Cannon, Gatling Pea, Pumpkin, these ones are the best

[@jor4082]

They may be pointless in PvZ2 but as someone who played the first PvZ, I think it’s really cool to see every plant from the previous game come back for nostalgic reasons.

[@JPOG7TV]

I just wished they looked more like their original artwork than the new redesigns that look ugly

[@ningun813]

i think that if they chose other plants it could have been cooler

[@dampongtrungmuoi507]

​@@JPOG7TVdevs put literal few effort to improve artwork, just look how bad animation of recent plants, only milking player out.

[@KauriYouTubeAdventure]

​@@dampongtrungmuoi507 Pretty sure that's because after modern day, the original art team was laid off and the artwork was done not by popcap or EA, but overseas/freelancer people doing it for money. This info could be found in the downfall of PvZ video

[@Dog-qu8tu]

i like having some of the old stuff come back but i’m not just gonna pay for a overpriced nostalgia pandering plants who are better than most plants

[@SeanRobert-di8sz]

I still Like the ice shrooms ability since he has COMPLETELY differing mechanics

[@somemadnessfan4763]

gonna be 100% here. I agree, when i was younger i was disappointed that some of the PVZ1 plants were cut and was so jealous of 2C for having Cattail and OG Gatling Pea now i understand why they weren't brought back

[@gamesandsuchwithalex9168]

I've noticed that these are all the mushrooms, mainly. This is because, with the 50 sun, the ability to do stuff for cheap is less in demand

[@BramLastname]

While Scaredy Shroom had a small niche in PvZ1 because the zombies were less adapt at breaking into the back line, Even in PvZ1 it's purpose was questionable.

[@Definitely_A_Fleshy_Human]

​​@@BramLastnamei think scaredy-shroom were made more for people completing adventure 1 of night and fog instead of people who is just collecting all badges. I mean thats how I use them

[@BramLastname]

@@Definitely_A_Fleshy_Human the thing is that Puff shroom is too good in pvz1 for scaredy shroom to have a major impact. Sure they're an upgrade and they do have a legitimate niche, But the game doesn't really encourage you to use it.

[@Damian-cilr2]

@@BramLastname in pvz1 it was (kinda) a better peashooter at night,but a worse peashooter at day,it was similar to a peashooter but it got handicapped by the hiding when there is any zombie in a 3x3 radius But puff shroom is straight up op in night so...

[@BramLastname]

@@Damian-cilr2 In PvZ 1 it is usable despite being so severely flawed, As such while it is by no means OP or even one of the best options, It has a legitimate place in the game, It just has competition that's arguably better. In PvZ2 they made an entire event to show off the plant, And it was bad even in the levels tailor made for it. The only good thing about it is that it's significantly cheaper than peashooter, Which is a trait only useful in dark ages endless mode, Which also has Jester, the one zombie scaredy shroom is most useless against.

[@bulletbro4745]

They added Sea shroom and made him an absolute grind to unlock. Just make him a world plant in big wave beach ffs 💀

[@manachromeYT]

World plants those don't exist

[@Sirmokoucheesealot]

They should literally make a new world that is like a dark and water theme and put those premium plants into free plants

[@ralsei66]

ScaredyShroom from my knowledge wasn't cut because he didn't fit the first time, it's because the team was too small to fill their full vision with dark ages.

[@frostwing1899]

2:56 i think it would’ve helped to mention that he’s a melee attacker with a 3x3 chill radius instead of an instant as a result of ice bloom existing and his ability to boost surrounding winter mint plants

[@KiwiLuvsPieOfficial]

Personally, I think having the old plants return is just fun because of the principal of it. It’s been years and it makes sense for them to debut again. And also, we’re going to get more and more new plants anyways, why not have it just be the old ones?

[@therealno_one]

Ice shroom has a pretty funny alamanc entry

[@IAARPOTI]

PopCap is going to Disney route. Nostalgic bait.

[@CoralReaper707]

It's so true it hurts.

[@larajamila005]

The thing about Scaredy-Shroom is that they DID have a good rework on it before. It's from the Garden Warfare games! That Scaredy-Shroom also hid when zombies are near but the point of it was that it was a high-damage, long range shooter (basically a sniper that cowers in fear when enemies are near) They could've easily implemented that in this game! Have Scaredy-Shroom's projectile do high damage, it takes long to fire between shots, the projectile travels down the path quick, and still hides as zombies come near

[@Qwasu]

4:14 Bungee zombie is NOT boring. Never say that again

[@gigamoumantai2696]

If any of the PvZ games doesn't exist except for PvZ and PvZ:GW, the world would be a much better place.

[@NOWNVATTU]

All these plants that aren't even good as premium yet still no new world? PvZ truly has fallen from grace

[@AsukaFangirlJassy]

if they are adding pvz1 plants, they should at least add in cattail

[@civicmimiv]

The leaks say that Ice Shroom will be a strong melee plant that boosts nearby chilling plants. That just makes his appearance even more pointless. If it's entirely different plant, then why is it ice Shroom?

[@SylviaYSI]

FOR REAL

[@rhinowithInternetaccess]

Because they have to nostalgia bait people some how

[@MAXIMA]

it's literally the gw ice shroom now

[@locosword3985]

Now that Ice-shroom is back and he has his own gimmick completely he looks cool. (No pun intended)

[@TomatoGuyReal]

is it just me or did the animation of the plants get stiffer? the starter plants like peashooter and cabbage pult have smooth animation but now the more recent plants like scaredy-shroom have stiffer animation. kinda weird but ok

[@imspoilerina9228]

You’re not wrong at all. For example the newest plant, Cranjelly has the worst animation in the game (imo) whenever the plant goes into its jelly form, the animation doesn’t even look smooth it just looks… weird and off. Not only that, but when the plant rolls offscreen, these cranjelly blobs just spawn it out of nowhere with even more lazier animations. I don’t know what they were doing when they animating that plants and its gimmicks..

[@studyNOW215]

doom shroom is now a plant alone in pvz2💀💀💀

[@janthecoo4964]

worst part is, most of the post game plants cost money which im not going to spend

[@edithpiaf7846]

Scaredy Shroom with Cactus could be great if when he hides, he's more tanky, thus they act like a wallnut and the greenish spiky plant

[@vladimirterehov4044]

Honestly, I don't care that much about what they add, I just want it to be a little more polished. Pvz 2 is an old game I just want popcap to fix all major bugs, like music not playing, before the game is not supported anymore.

[@SylviaYSI]

That should be their priority right now, it’s frustrating how there’s still all these bugs, and yet they’re still adding Plants that we don’t need right now 😭

[@enzopereira2606]

My problem with them bringing back pvz1 plants is that current pvz2 have noticeable lower effort put into them. Scaredy shroom looks horrible in comparison to puff and fume shroom.

[@CyleJoshuaReyes]

I guess you can see the differences of plants before the power mints/arena came out and after power mints/arena. The only exception to this probably would be pumpkin. Personally, I love PvZ2 because updates and new plants are still ongoing. And in my opinion, I think these plants were made for strategic purposes not meant for the adventure, but for other modes (e.g. penny's pursuit, travel log quests, endless zones, etc) and levels with objectives. For example, you can use scaredy-shroom, with its 25 sun cost, for objectives that requires not to spend too much sun, or if ail-mint plants are buffed. But I still get your point. 👍 And that is my opinion at least.

[@lovepeople777]

Why? I have a better question: Why *not?* It's not like anyone's forcing you to use or buy these plants. And to be honest, I just like the fact that they exist in PVZ2 at all. They don't have a point, but honestly I don't need them to.

[@GummitMan]

Tbh Doom-Shroom is one of the only plants that DESERVE to come back, like I can imagine it being a blast in arena.

[@Mushroom_of_DOOM]

thanks

[@GummitMan]

@@Mushroom_of_DOOM Doom Shroom!1!1!111!11!!1!

[@EvilMeganium]

​@@Mushroom_of_DOOMHi

[@LucBlocker]

quite literally a blast indeed

[@CoralReaper707]

Pvz2 just should've been over at this point. Everything that Popcap has been doing to the game at this point is disgusting. They're literally destroying their own creation and if anything, they're crushing everyone's childhood by butchering these old pvz1 plants. It got to the point where I uninstalled vanilla pvz2 and I never looked back.

[@randomtopia_]

"He has ZERO PURPOSE." "He should SHOVEL HIMSELF UP NOW!"

[@baconaterlover5399]

Much like you’ve said, most pvz 1 plants that were left out post modern day don’t have a use. The only legacy plants I see functioning as they were in the original and still be useful are Pumpkin, Cob Cannon, and maybe Gatling Pea (and 2 of those 3 arlready exist). Other ones are outclassed by other similar plants (scaredy shroom, doom shroom, ice shroom, etc). Some would literally have no use (coffee bean, Plantern, flower pot) unless new world gimmicks were added. Now, I could see some legacy plants being added with a new use. Perhaps coffee bean is used to give plants a buff, or gold magnet being used to automatically grab sun (more useful for pc players), maybe even give plantern an aoe healing effect. However, at that point you might as well just develop a new plant. Popcap has got to do better than simple nostalgia bait.

[@ducklett01god]

You can make a hillbilly explode-o-nut with pumpkin and potato mine

[@Supershadow301]

Cob Cannon already has a PvZ2 equivalent: Banana Launcher. It's not as strong, mostly because it's been rebalanced.

[@SpeedyNinja1152]

I like that they're returning PvZ 1 plants. I don't like when they make their PvZ 2 designs too different compared to their PvZ 1 designs.

[@snowforest4473]

I agree with several points you made, like the high similarity between Gloom-shroom and Phat Beet (and oh hey, Phat Beet does not get hypnotized by the ballad) or how Scaredy wasn't released in Dark Ages. Even if he would have been added at that time, a rework on resistance boost when hiding would not make a big difference, but well, at least, yeah. About Sea-shroom, his ability is currently unknown. I'd leave it blank, and I think you should. Though, the rest in the international version, such as Ice-shroom, or (Mega) Gatling Pea. Did you notice the difference between Gatling Pea from the rest of his elder brothers and sister? He has a random chance to have the plant food effect. I don't know how appealing it sounds to you, but having a little surprise like this is sweet, especially for those who use him with Pea Vine and Torchwood during Arena when the Appease family does not get bruised *cough cough*. Ice-Shroom, have you checked over the upcoming content page? "Smashes zombies in melee range. Emits a chilling aura that both buffs nearby Winter-mint plants and chills zombies." Have you noticed how he functions differently from Iceberg Lettuce and Ice Bloom? P/S: Thanks for expressing your opinion. I like hearing it as watching through your video, but one thing, try to have a more balanced view. At least mentioning some efforts the developers make, rather than hiding them.

[@TheSeedrunner]

I find it somewhat satisfying to see the plants come back, but I also completely understand your perspective.

[@Counltdooku]

i would like it if they didnt design it in the worst way possible most redesigns from the oringal game look quite a lot cleaner in pvz2 but that cant be said about the ones their currently putting out LIKE WTF DID THEY DO TO SCAREDY SHROOME

[@TheSeedrunner]

@@Counltdooku Yeah, I totally understand what you mean. While I personally like the way they designed it, I get how it feels a lot like nostalgia baiting.

[@ba6tatz]

​@@Counltdookuyeah I hate scardey shroom's new design

[@jaycob1830]

Honestly I don’t care, as long as the game keeps kicking I’m fine

[@ElectricPeaPlayz]

sometimes i just wish we got new worlds so we can have more use of these plants and just more to do outside of arena. I know pennys pursuit exists but levelled zombies are a pain to fight also the single water level is butt to play

[@saharatsriboonraung7891]

cat 0:03 look down

[@Waluigilover]

PVZ2 Doom Shroom sweating in the corner

[@HackerDragon9999]

I'm here from the future: Iceshroom is a melee attacker that buffs nearby Wintermint plants in PvZ2.

[@sabschatz]

you forgot its 3x3 slow effect

[@HackerDragon9999]

@@sabschatz I didn't know about it since I don't actually have Iceshroom and can only use it in Arena

[@sabschatz]

@@HackerDragon9999I just use a cheated version, but yeah it can slow

[@HackerDragon9999]

@udafodil since when does it matter if I give spoilers for a year old video (i dont know what youre referencing)

[@Scarcheeze]

The PVZ1 art style are gritty and cool and iconic

[@nadroji6549]

I literally do not see the issue here. IMO, games like this should already have the original roster from the last game & then add extra characters.

[@alargecrab9146]

I agree, but why are they adding them in now.

[@nadroji6549]

@@alargecrab9146 Content & money.

[@Mudkipz-rt8li]

I don't mind old plants coming back if they add new worlds

[@blobguy64]

1:48, need i say more?

[@Jhams009]

i honestly just want umbrella leaf cuz of its design, idk why but i find it so cute

[@crimsonpolt3rgiest]

4:43 didnt age well

[@Cherry-ee8rq]

I love scaredy shroom in pvz1 but in pvz2 there is literally no point when other plants are in the game

[@JoseViktor4099]

And btw, as an advice, I wouldn't put PvZ chinese as an example to follow, they put a lot of nostalgia content and made them extremely janky and inconsistent. Cob Cannon plant requierent was maintained for weird reasons, and the two spaces interactions are very weird. And let not even mention the OG Zombot, for the sake of god, if you saw it, you might wonder if thats was a 15 years old teen fanmade.

[@AnotherLowQualityGaming]

I just like that I won't have to do the ratio math stuff to find out how many plants are in pvz that aren't in pvz2

[@Profile3918]

Bring back coffee bean and make all night plants not work in the day :trollface:

[@HawloKnight]

Ngl I only like them because of the cool redesigns, although they could just do a pvz1 revamp with the art style of pvz2

[@Igloos_are_piglues456]

can't wait for umbrella leaf and tree of wisdom

[@jacobrodriguez7365]

Gloom vine is basically a gloom shroom that boosts shadow plants

[@chaosthebaryonyx6344]

Why don't they bring heroes plants into the game? We never saw them in a tower defense game. And plants like pineclone could be very cool additions

[@aferblox664]

the real doomshroom is coming back at pvz2 now

[@markdagger9725]

The only way I see this kind of weird strategy could properly work for PopCap and us is just reworking all of the PVZ 1 plants if they want to add them all. For example, I won't be surprised if the OG Gravebuster desing appears at some point, but it would be nonesense considering that tombstones are literally useless at this point, but what I would be surprised for is if they do it as a total different and new plant! Or with Doom-shroom doing the same that they've done with Ice-shroom turning it into a normal plant instead of an instant use one. If they start to add them in totally new and unique way for each one, I wouldn't see it like a problem. BUT, if they add them with their normal abilities just for fan service, that would be horrible for everyone.

[@speedwag0n_foundation]

Dud fucking predicted with Doom Shroom

[@Iru173]

7 month after this vid released Doom shroom is confirmed in pvz 2 leaked planr 💀

[@Angelina_foxy]

The fact that doom shroom is actually gonna be returning soon 💀💀💀

[@MainChannel9521]

One good thing about bringing back old plants is that now modders can use them easier

[@PlaneMusic46294]

the mega gatling pea is amazing better than the old one in pvz 1 it has more purpose to stay in the game

[@los-lobos]

As soon as they added Dazey Chain I knew they were going rogue

[@WillMAW2]

it feels like this video lacks an actual explanation on why scaredy-shroom has no purpose in pvz2. the given reason for scaredy-shroom seems to simply be the fact that there is no purpose, which doesn't elaborate on anything. or perhaps the exclusion of the plant from dark ages counts as a reason, but there isn't any provable cause for why as far as i know, only rumour. there is clearer reasoning for why ice-shroom doesn't fit, which is good. especially now with the knowledge that ice-shroom is another cold snapdragon alt to go alongside pokra, it's clear that there is a level of (perhaps unintentional) disrespect for the original plants that are being reintroduced. where cactus feels like a faithful recontextualisation, ice-shroom is an uncanny departure. ignoring the readded balloon popping, the former plant looks like the original and maintains similar spike-firing traits, while the latter plant looks like it came from a completely different game and has completely transformed its main functions. scaredy-shroom also have issues of alien redesign, but with the opposite mechanical issue: a near complete lack of adaption to the pvz2 environment. the hiding bonus doesn't make the plant any more useful for adventure unless you feed into the leveling system, and even then the benefits are utterly unimpressive by arena standards. it's honestly the type of plant balance that would've been more expected pre-leveling. but with the way that arena plants are visually and mechanically designed, scaredy-shroom feels like the black sheep of this game, not fitting with the other veteran plants nor the arena plants. i think this is the type of elaboration that was deserved on the topic. might mean making a longer video, but it's more meaningful than simply relying on any existing sentiment over how veteran plants are integrated.

[@jereisnottall8974]

I really like how they are bringing back sea shroom because in its old description it said it always wanted to see the sea now it finally can that’s adorable!!

[@THE_INFECTED]

I hate that pvz2 is acting like the plants are DLCs but no new content other than a random troop for 3 or more dollars they should cost 3 dollars for all of them and 5 dollars for a new extra world and dam remake the modern day boss such a disappointment of a fight

[@imspoilerina9228]

Scaredy Shroom’s new design is really bad. They removed all of the creativity of his old design from the first game, only to make him look like high asf and poor made… especially with those eyes… They should’ve just kept the eyes, the mouth, and the stem from the first game. They didn’t have to give him a major redesign like that. Popcat/EA pls don’t bring back classic PVZ 1 if you’re going to ruin their designs.

[@edenengland1883]

one fendamental issue i have with all arguments against PVZ1 plants returning is that they shouldve really been in the game from the start its like a 2d Mario game launching with only Luigi missing from the roster, and then having someone upset that Luigi is being added in an update, even with any flaws, Luigi by all means *should* be there and so his addition becomes justified

[@DaDannyguy]

The fact that I Play the OG versions of PvZ 2 well I used to before it updated like the doomshroom already came back so theoretically the gloom shroom would come next even though we have the gloom vine

[@brilliant_Potato]

Even though I agree with what you say, Ice Shroom is being completely reworked and and we will get a new mechanic called "puddles" that apparently allow you to plant aquatic plants there.

[@JessePinkmanMemeRv]

I think I just REALLY like mushrooms in pvz, but adding sea shroom was just pointless

[@tuxedobird]

I just like seeing them come back, not like they *need* to be optimal, I just like ‘em

[@Arthumgo]

Well, Ice-shroom function will be changed completely, so I'm olay with that. But Pop Cap bringing back Scaredy-shroom........ WHY?!?!

[@GladSir]

They should have just fucking brought back the plants when the first pvz2 update was made

[@Insimious]

Man pvz1 i miss speedrunning and abusing gloomshroom

[@ZackTheTurtle]

bro Popcap India be keepin pvz 2 alive

[@steffanjansson3092]

It's cool to see more realistic old plants from pvz1 in pvz2

[@amog8235]

Just wait until they bring back Doom Shroom or Cob Cannon ;)

[@BIGSHOT__1997]

I think there might be a new world. That's water based that isn't big bay beach

[@raidenboney9421]

I really don’t mind them coming back I just like to think that they just haven’t been forgotten

[@delangaming5388]

yooooo! popcap actually listened. ice shroom actually has more functions now.

[@clarkshark7597]

4:41 WE WILL MAKE THE DUME STRATEGY GRATE AGAIN for only $4.99

[@assypeachmusic1006]

they're coming back but at what cost if you gotta pay $847297481 dollars to get something you get for free on normal pvz

[@yoxes7560]

How is scardy-shroom useless? It's basically a cheap version of peashooter for night levels!

[@LavelinaAli]

Potato mine exist

[@yoxes7560]

But it takes so long to recharge and it’s only on one zombie

[@littlehorn0063]

None of those are significant issues, though? Repeater is just peashooter but better most of the time, same with melon-pult and pepper-pult, primal wallnut and wallnut. Having variety is not bad, the bad thing is when this variety is locked out in a dumb way (never got the idea of premium plants...). Let them be - that's my take. You didn't explain your points that much, but that's the video's critique.