I Doppelgang for X = Everything | $35 Budget Magic

[@MTGGoldfish]

Cosium Confluence blows up enchantments?!?

[@MidgarMerc]

You literally did it the game before

[@Soulryu11]

I was like Seth, you let the opponent get out of hand, but you wanted an extra cave I guess 🤣😭🤣

[@aretwodeetoo1181]

You were saying that as you were casting it for 3 caves 🤦‍♂️

[@crapparc]

Greeeeeeeeeeeeedy, Seth, greedy! Braid your beard and call yourself a dwarf because you delved too deep!

[@sephmojo6416]

he had many ways to win the bombardment game... he copied restoration of eiganjo of all things when he could have copied a food token with all those lands and gained 21 life.

[@user-iz7nu4wk3h]

"We don't actually have an easy way to just stop this Arcane Bombardment" said the person with Colossal Skyturtle in hand and a Cosmium Confluence in grave...

[@honestabe411]

Cyrillic detected, opinion discarded

[@zorglub105]

@@honestabe411 They're right, though

[@Hylianlink51047]

Literally scrolled down to say the same thing hahahaha

[@midn8588]

Just cast the goddamn turtle and copy it 4 times!

[@arghanothername]

Yeah, Seth’s refusal to win was strong in that match.

[@davidcochran6974]

Game 1: 9 virtues of strength gives us: 1×(3^9)=19,683 mana per basic

[@willbill6942]

"I tap for 240 thousand mana"

[@hablasetacobell]

Once I tapped a flipped Itlimoc for 4.6 quadrillion mana. There was a lot of Nyxblooms in play

[@RealLifeScarytales]

I’ve doppelgänged 25 restless prairies 25 times. That’s (25x25)•25=1625 restless prairies. Each one gives each other one +1+1 attacking😆

[@baboyaga7711]

Playing Confluence with the Arcane Bombardment out and them using Trasures because they were having mana issues. Seth: "Alright...I know how this goes: Cave-Cave-Cave..." Having a skyturtle in hand to get back the Confluence and stop them from going crazy with the bombardment practically the entire game. Seth: "We just have nothing that can answer that Arcane Bombardment" Food sitting on the battlefield begging to be copied and eaten to get back to a safe lifetotal. Seth: "We are just so low on life...we are going to die." I never wanted to reach through the screen and grab the mouse more. Really fun video and cool deck!

[@jrjamesson]

don't forget "we ran into literally the worst matchup" while playing a deck with 4 maindeck enchantment removal and 4+ ways to regrow the enchantment removal

[@Uberriffic.]

Man that Bombardment game was *rough* to watch. All I could think was "Turtle back the Confluence, blow up the Bombardment. Please blow up the Bombardment. *Please* blow up the Bombardment." Glad to see Bombardment is still super good though. Lightning Helix was such a massive upgrade for it.

[@SkylarPastor]

Also feel like it couldve been over much sooner if he doppleganged the cavernous maws instead of other caves

[@toneloks7912]

Same here. I can understand not blowing it up with the first one but definitely should have with the second one.

[@davidcochran6974]

Bombardment was out when he ramped by three with the Confluence. I wanted to cry the whole match

[@ther3aper561]

My favorite part was him saying he doesnt have a good way to deal with it after casting confluence

[@wdeborde]

Yeah, spent the entire game thinking about how to copy things and forgot sometimes you have to not lose the game.

[@vipershark1]

Seth, the entirety of the Arcane Bombardment deck game was a punt. Not just a part, the entire thing. I'm proud you are brave enough to show it.

[@pketr5]

29:37 could have just blew up the bombardment here with the Confluence. Even had the turtle to do it anytime.

[@Bman-rl3yt]

And could have had 7 food = 21 life to possibly live longer but instead chose there silly saga ??? 33:31

[@dtthire]

You know a deck’s sweet when the game starts lagging And for those curious about the first game: Seth has 9 virtues on the battlefield (original + 8 copies), each tripling the mana a basic produces, each virtue tripling the mana of the previous one: (1 basic) X (3 to the power of 9) = 19 683 mana per basic land.

[@dtthire]

Also, for decks that have spelunking and fetch for a lot of basics, I’ve been liking Volatile fault a lot more than Field of Ruins lately. Same card except it’s a cave, it costs 1 less to activate but instead of a basic you get a treasure while the opponent gets their basic I made a G/R lands deck and the card really felt like it made a difference when I ran out of basics, also it was INSANELY sweet with Blossoming Tortoise and the other land reanimation spells like Worldsoul’s purge and Aftermath Analyst

[@YouTubeChonce]

So with 55 lands he could make literally ~1 million mana and Doppelgang for X = ~300,000 but there's not even remotely that amount of legal targets for it. It doesn't say copies of up to X targets permanents, it just says X target permanents, so X can't be more than the amount of permanents on the battlefield. Which means that Seth even tapping a single land there would already have more than enough mana to cast the largest Doppelgang possible. I guess he could get it back from the graveyard and just keep exponentially increasing the amount of permanents each time, but arena would probably break on the first try lol

[@Red-Tower]

​@@KZbinChonceit would also hit the arena token limit almost immediately unfortunately

[@sampy1004]

SImic Wizard Dopplegang. We love casting selves

[@Red-Tower]

We're sponsored by the shadow guild pact. Legalize clone warfare

[@lesterhawkes7809]

Legalize rachet bombs

[@laurentrobitaille2204]

⁠@@Red-Tower Warning, clone warfare is now legal planewide

[@piralos1329]

Many have pointed out in the arcane bombardment match up that you could get back cosmium confluence to blow up the bombardment, but there is ALSO something to be said for playing out the turtle, and doppelganging it a bunch of times!! The opponent was VERY pinched on mana, and so would very much struggle to pay through all the copies of Ward 2 for each turtle! And if you keep even one, you can map onto it a bunch of times to beat down!!

[@jrjamesson]

there were probably 15 ways to win the game even after the first punt

[@Dragiceoriginal]

Seth, Cosmium Confluence can remove Arcane Bombardment.

[@MidgarMerc]

Seth doesn't read cards. Its the reason he always says "if you read it closely" when spoiling cards despite literally just reading exactly what the card says.

[@uselesscommon7761]

Doppelgang is probably my favorite card in the set. What a fucking concept. Incredible name, art, and flavor text. Elegant effect, powerful but not OP.

[@as95ms98]

This is the most Phil card that I've ever seen. I can't wait to see Crim and Phil's brews around this one as well!

[@svendejong8110]

Oof, that match against Arcane Bombardment was rough. Cosmium Confluence destroys enchantments too, could've gotten that back with a Skyturtle very early and won with Maws.

[@johndoe9343]

Honestly, super satisfying game against Humans even without Doppelgang. Popping off with Spelunking and the Discover lands and Virtue of Strength and Zendikar and drawing to cast a million spells was sick.

[@klutzedufus]

i think mirror box would be pretty fun in this, gets around legend rule so you can get a ton of sheoldreds, wandering emperors, or whatever 😅

[@BobbyBev95]

This build might be one of my favorite standard builds you’ve made Seth! The math is just wacky, so cool

[@justinswartz2162]

I'm sure someone said this but you could have sky turtled to get back confluence and used it to blow up the bombardment at like any point during that game

[@XxGrimdazexX]

or doppelgang the food he made to offset the burn

[@Spotifist]

Hinata, Dawn-Crowned came to mind as I saw the thumbnail. Could be fun with Doppelgang!

[@XimCines]

Nice card, didn't knew it existed. I was thinking on 3 copies of Ulamog, Ceasless Hunter and mill him to death

[@boobox2000]

34:00 you should have been on the cavernous maw plan with the first doppelgang and you would have won already.

[@maxcc-vp9zn]

Seth "oh god i hate farewell" meanwhile playing a whole deck using board wipes.

[@stonerainproductions]

Seth, i LOVE this deck but it really needs a Hurkyl's Final Mediation or two heh!

[@shoot_again2753]

Built this and played casual. This deck works very well and is amazingly fun to play. THANK YOU for sharing!

[@AndresLeeMejia]

Here after making a deck with the thunder junction damage lands. Can say that I've had some fun and am still saving up wildcards to make the deck more functional.

[@Mythikal13]

Imma call this deck fractalgang, love the idea of exponentially making bigger doppelgangs with doppelgang lol

[@scottcampbell9515]

It's time to add this to a Doubling Season deck.

[@ben_clifford]

The honest optimism in the wrap-up is always nice

[@sasquatchsenpai]

I learned Seth has an affinity for getting lost in the sauce and not seeing outs. Sheeeeeeeeesh

[@ryanpattison6]

Now this needs to be done again in either timeless or pioneer to have villainous wealth as a back up

[@jixster1566]

I just did this with outrageous robbery to be able to cast the opponents entire deck basically. Pretty fun

[@corptewl]

As always an unbelievable time playing your decks Seth. thanks!

[@erisdiscordia5429]

Doppleganging an Agent of Treachery sounds.. fair.

[@sleprvrru6y-lin-92]

in timeless, you can!

[@Nopiyoutube]

Most Hilarious deck that I've ever seen in MTG life🤣🤣🤣🤣 Good job Seth!!

[@rmroland88]

@MTGGoldfish I loved the gameplay and went and cashed in all my wilds. And when I say all I mean all. I didn't have enough for "consuming tide" so I went with Flotsam/Jetsam playing on the casting my op stuff. The first game I doppelgang for X=5, next turn X=16. It was magical

[@michaelsilk275]

I’ll have to make a Doppelgang deck with Kiora Bests the Sea God. You can gang for 2, copying the saga and the kraken, and you’ll have 5 Krakens. All that is needed after is a proliferate on their turn.

[@sarcastic_ocupie1669]

Next time you should do the outrageous robbery and X=60 to steal your opponents deck Or use undergrowth recon and New Caphenna fetch lands

[@grantmurdock7385]

I got to see someone on the Doppelgang plan come to a screeching halt as they realized copying Slime Against Humanity oozes wasn't going to work.

[@jlayman89]

My experience with hyperramp into dopplegang is that if it doesn't crash the game then the opponent usually scoops. My version was the 8 man dork elves with 4 leyline, 4 llanowar tribes, nykthos, 2 then a handful of X spells. The X2GG one that makes elves, Hydroid Krasis, the blue finality (which is absurd with nykthos), and then doppelgang. You can easily hit a 10 mana finality on line turn 4 or 5 using only lands, untap all those and move into a massive dopplegang using the elves, copy the lands a bunch and then move into another dopplegang or finality/krasis to get another dopplegang and use those lands to go off again. You can combo dopplegangs and finality/Krasis on the same turn by copying lands.

[@EffinChat]

Imagine playing this in paper and rocking up at FNM with a commander deck's worth of Copy tokens to be used alongside your 75-card standard deck

[@pedroalto34]

I got a W with this deck against Boros aggro by making two copies of warleader's call and resolute reinforcements two turns in a row and the ETB's just machine gunned my opponent to death. It was amazing.

[@ther3aper561]

Seth not copying Sheoldred and Glissa against the golgari deck was interesting. He was worried about the 2/2 and trample but Glissa has first strike and takes care of their sheoldred if they attack and he could take 5 from glissa because he was going to gain life from his own sheoldred. I'm not sure why he was so scared of copying legendary creatures against aggro decks just because of legend rule Also not destroying bombardment the turn after they played it is definitely a decision

[@reprogremTTV]

I've been playing this a lot, definitely going to be sniping some deck tech from this video even before I'm done watching! If I get two in a row, especially if I can copy Hulking Raptor for the extra big mana bomb, I've been calling it 'activating the clown car' because that is suddenly a LOT of tokens on the board.

[@WurthTapping]

In the arcane bombardment matchup, should one of the final dopplegang targets have been food token? Then you may be able to gain enough life to climb out of burn range for a few turns to set up better.

[@cuddlequeen3225]

Doppelgang is so fun! I added it into a gate deck with Villainous Wealth and have had some really funny games.

[@adorkmoreon3599]

I've got 1 card to add to this deck. "Wildwood Mentor" with all the tokens hitting the field it would be insane.

[@codylarsen6637]

You should of bamed this like "Caverns of the doppelganger", because that seems like the main and backup plan of the deck. This deck is sweet. Can you imagine splashing like a mondrak in there?

[@user-wj9su1tu6k]

I hate farewell with a passion but that has to be the most epic farwell of all time almost

[@MitchPiotrowski]

Damn... that second game though... that was hilarious!

[@jacobahrens9056]

Hope to see the less budget option soon! I love caves and doppelgang. Reminds me of gates

[@TimO-lj2uk]

The new Kellan is good in this deck too. I'm thinking you should fire up some cavernous maws with this deck

[@controlaltdeleteish]

Immediately throwing into my x-spell magus lucca kane deck

[@Lvl_5_Magikarps]

This deck rocks online I added black for outrageous robbery to steal their whole deck or add more target that I can copy

[@goldenostrichman]

I’m definitely trying this! Love this deck

[@jadynwallace3168]

Great video, that was a lot of fun to watch! So you mentioned some changes that you thought could help the deck, what cards would help it the most? Does there exist a non budget version of this deck? I appreciate the fact that you show how budget decks can be effective in their formats!

[@ccggenius]

That deck mission statement has my inner Magikarp Salesman squee-ing like a schoolgirl.

[@daviddiehl6286]

Game 1 was a commander game, I'm convinced

[@47Mortuus]

Everybody grab a leg!

[@triopsate3]

I played mono black magic's version of a doppelgang deck in historic which ramps out a x=10+ doppelgang on like t3-4. My problem with the deck is that the client basically dies if you go 7+ on a mana tripler or anything with a lot of triggers like soul sisters. Most of my matches end with the client breaking and either being a draw or just getting sent back to the homr screen.

[@chriswampler1]

Flourishing Bloom Kim is good to make many copies of it.

[@daviddent5662]

I was just looking for something to do with my Caves! I'm shocked I didn't see think of this but then I only got blown out by this with Tron in Modern just the other day. @ @ So many Emrakuls...I can never look at Hentai again!

[@beardlybear6528]

i wanna see that ina brenard legends deck with like mirror hall etc lol

[@mattsreacts]

there is a critical mass of lands that you can copy in order to chain do[pples together

[@RealLifeScarytales]

If you use restless prairie instead of cavernous maw, each prairie gives each other one +1+1

[@RumpledNutskin]

I would love it if you brought back mosern budget magic! Even though im an entrenched modern player, i like seeing the nonsense you come up with

[@Gureiseion]

Doppelgang was my prerelease kit promo. 2x Magnifying Glass, 3x Nervous Gardener, you bet I built around that. Aaaaand proceeded not to draw it the whole event. 1-1-1

[@michaelcollins4534]

F

[@MrShinyObject]

Everyone in the comments talking about confluence against bombardment, meanwhile I'm thinking "can't you just play the turtle and copy that? It even has ward."

[@alexandrelima2766]

Why is it best of 1? :/

[@YagamiSage]

Seth can't wait to see you doppelgang commander deck ❤

[@jyrinx]

I miss the Bo3 videos. I get that this one was more “can we make the pile of jank go off?” than deep strategy, but still, more satisfying than seeing a pile of jank go off is surprising the opponent with a pile of jank, then beating the fully-prepared opponent _again_ with the same jank.

[@chriswampler1]

On Arena, you may want to cap X at or near 10 unless you want your game to crash.

[@unclerobbieslug]

What happens with a hinata,dawn-crowned (spells you cast cost one less for each target) and say a few targets for a dopple gang.

[@adamtobiasz8793]

Now that is a deck hard to manage in paper.😅😅😅😅

[@vermora356]

Hitting the token limit with lands and not being able to create tokens of any other type looks like a legitimate concern for this deck.

[@louisnemzer6801]

Game 1: 3^9 = 19,683 mana per basic land

[@DarkYuan]

Could've played the Colossal Skyturtle to copy in that Bombardment game

[@ryanbolson23]

22:33 oh man, if only there was a system in place where old power-house cards get rotated out to allow fresh new cards to have the lime light. Gee they should really look at implementing a system that does that.

[@BadPainYatta]

So, with 9 Virtue of Strength you should be making 19,683 per basic lands. Which might not be enough mana

[@seanrostiser2355]

Would a "Fun-of" copy of mirror box help? Let's you actually get doppelgang on a legendary permanent like Sheoldred?

[@JackPowerX]

23:28 Copying Glissa would have been better than copying Sheoldred due to first strike and deathtouch taking out an attacker before trample damage

[@matterhorn731]

23:20 So I think instead of Doppleganging here, a better line would be to Witness Protection their Sheoldred, then use Cosmium Confluence to blow up their saga and animate one of your caves as a blocker. Still dead to removal, but it avoids the trample deathtouch wombo combo. Ah. Except Glissa can remove all 3 counters from the land to kill it when she attacks... oft forgotten third modes, amiright?

[@winssports4830]

Gonna build this in modern with unbound flourishing and awaken the dryads lol.

[@theblakwarior]

Ok, honestly. Put doppelgang into any ramp deck. As a one off even. Usually doesnt even matter that you dont have green with all the universal mana dorks and treasures out there. It just ends games. making 3 mirrex copies is already super good. making 2 topiary stompers usually ends the game. You know what answeres a phyrexian obliterater? Two phyrexian obliterators! Its an absurd finisher that scales exponentionally with more mana put into it. Tho do be aware that it targets so a surge of salvation can be an absolute blowout. But its amazing for any of those grindy matchups that just last forever. Especially as it usually also answeres any of their bombs they just drew last turn. creating 4 copy tokens for 8 mana and one card is an absurd rate.

[@jakebswenka]

Should have made a ton of food tokens to out last the boros bombardment deck

[@pug987]

This deck is slow and hard to play so I lose a lot more than I win but it has been the most fun I've had playing magic in years. I've made some small modifications compared to the lists that I think help.

[@kiDchemical]

Someone how Seth has become even more Sethy lately

[@tres-3770]

I wanna see a deck where u constantly trigger the 2 drop golgari enchantment that makes plants with self-mill and eldrazis that shuffle themselves back into your deck once they hit the graveyard till u mill your entire deck and everytime u self mill u just hit 8 graveyard shufflein triggers making huge plants and swinging for lethal

[@tres-3770]

You could add this to a dredge shell and get even more Triggers

[@JacoDeltaco]

Imagine playing that against your shared fate deck

[@ericbarr734]

The most you can Dopplegang for on Arena is X=16. That makes 256 tokens, and the token limit is 255 if I remember right. Past that you're just trying to break arena, haha

[@RandonActs5]

oh wow, witness protection is a good choice for the theme of the deck.

[@dustyfox6511]

Needs a swamp and outrageous robbery for the mill win.

[@Mensch777]

Well watching game 1 explains why seth is hating farewell und sunfall so hard :D

[@jackmanning156]

Hey Seth, love the deck!!! Also I'm curious, in game 1 why not make copies of the wandering emperor instead of the tokens? You can downtick her at instant speed to make the same amount of tokens plus you end up with the Planeswalker. Idk am I missing something?

[@michaelcollins4534]

Pretty sure the legend rule would kill off all but one of the tokens before you could activate them

[@JoshuaSAlt31]

Just started using it, it’s so fun

[@adammarsh6074]

So like dopple gang with infinite mana combo standard oh thisll be fun

[@jaybartels725]

After testing this deck A LOT, it seems the max you can make X without the client crashing is 8. I’ve tried 10 and most of the time the client freezes and won’t recover, even after restarting it. I crashed the whole thing for 30 mins when I made x=30.

[@PhetaFox]

You actually go infinite that last game Doppelgang a bunch of lands, shigeki back doppel and skyturtle Skyturtle back shigeki Repeat

[@DiogoVKersting]

23:15 Why not copy Glissa? Two glissas stop two tramplers, chump glissa with a beast, take two from sheoldred, you survive at 1 life. Yes Sheoldred is lethal for the following turn, but you have a witness protection in hand. Copying a legend-rule sheoldred in that situation is just so bad.

[@jeremyballer537]

Glissa also a legend

[@ajaxender12]

I guess it's cos of it being a budget brew, but I'm surprised the greed is restrained enough to keep it Simic, and not go Bant to try to destroy Arena by including (and copying) Ojer Triple-Tokens

[@MindstabThrull]

Now imagine if you could copy Doppelgäng while it was on the stack...

[@akodotain]

I think run 1-2 copies of mirror box. It will give you stronger outs against decks reliant on legendaries, which are quite common. Is bant possible for infinite blind mice? Would avoid the sketchy probability requirements of doppelgang to set up the mana for bigger doppelgang. Fun brew nonetheless