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[@ChrisHongArt]

Let me know what you think my NEXT Skillshare class should be about!🤓👋

[@MBrocoolie]

I would like to see how you work out the debth in your watercolor paintings and indicate that the main piece belongs to its background ;) thanks for sharing your knowledge! :)

[@megan7788]

Creation of original characteristics and tips for reference usage.

[@daydarasensei12]

Coloooor! Watercolooooor ! 😍❤️

[@IshikaShanai]

Painting with gouache for sure!

[@xxpandagalaxyxx5655]

Please do one one color.

[@kobycesar9713]

Hello everyone! My name is Kyle, I’m the owner of the @Cruditart art page and I’m one of the students that were critiques here in the video. I feel I have the right to speak since I feel my picture was changed the most from its original state. I think everyone here really reallllly needs to lighten up. Miss Hong is kind enough to allow you all to voice your opinions in the first place by making commenting available under this video, which In itself is brave because Shes opening herself up to scrutiny. I’d like to make a point of saying that in her Skillshare class miss Hong says that she encourages all to give her method a try but only as a launching pad off of which to build your own technique. If you come to see a video tutorial by a certain artist, it’s reasonable to assume that it’s because you like that artists style. You want to pick up on their technique. It’s only reasonable for miss Hong to assume that if someone decides to watch a tutorial on how to draw in HER style, they must want to draw in a style similar to hers. In this video, she simply goes through and puts her own spin on things! And much of it isn’t even anything specific to her style. It wouldn’t be fair to say that deepening values is making the drawing her own. Sure she May have shaded the noses in more than certain of you May care for, but if you don’t like it, don’t do it! If I watch a Gordon Ramsay MasterClass in cooking, I have to be prepared to see dishes prepared to his taste. Now if I don’t like thyme, or rosemary or cracked pepper, I’m free to leave it out! But I wouldn’t bash him for changing a dish to his taste, especially when his taste is much more seasoned than my own! I for one, as someone who’s drawing was changed the most among the four think miss Hong did an exceptional job and I continue to support her!

[@heidilorenz3517]

I couldn't agree more with you Koby! I have only read your comment and no others; tho I understand how there are neigh sayers all over the web & it's a reflection of the commenter & not of the artists tho. One must have an impervious skin to put oneself out there & I'm so grateful for being able to view this video & others like it! Super educational, I love it!

[@mandalyn3926]

Could you possibly do a video about finding the shadow shapes in photos with low contrast?

[@ChrisHongArt]

That is definitely much harder to do..! I think then you just have to break down planes of the face and actually figure out how light would affect the forms of the face (figure out which planes is in light, and which planes are turning away from the light and therefore darker). The key is to keep it CONSISTENT and make sure if you design the shadow shape going one way, let's say the cast shadow from the nose, then it has to be consistent and match up with the direction of the other shadows ^^

[@xxpandagalaxyxx5655]

Take that baby in to a photo editor and blast up the contrast. Have the unedited close by to make sure you dont go to ham, but it will help clearly sperate the values.

[@ChrisHongArt]

xXPandaGalaxyXx Oo yes that’s a great tip!

[@iliveinarichgirlsdream]

Just turn the brightup

[@elsagrace3893]

xXPandaGalaxyXx yeah, but then you aren’t learning the plains of the face. This is crucial knowledge for an artist! Study it and give yourself a few years to grasp it. Also study how to create shadows of buildings cast by the sun. It’s a very simplified way of learning lighting because buildings are boxes and sunlight is one strong direct light.

[@lalaiisha]

Found this very informative, although you really didnt have much good to say about the first portrait even though it already held many important techniques. Positive reinforcement could have been encouraging to the artist.

[@XLouiseBabeyX]

Agreed. I also thought a lot of the added shadow on the eyes and lips took away from the portrait as well, though that is just my personal opinion.

[@cutelittleReis90]

Her eyes were popping more before, gave her a more innocent look. With all the shadow on the eyes afterwards it looked more like someone with heavy eye make up

[@XLouiseBabeyX]

@@cutelittleReis90 100% Which is a shame considering the original artist was inspired by the eyes in the first place.

[@CNBcrazy]

When I was in art school, this was how it was. It’s not something you take to heart but more of just learn from (: they are positive critiques! It’s peoples opinions , and critiques and what they think! Everyone is different. I don’t think shes trying time being down the artist at all, and I heard a couple of compliments. And I’m sure they get compliments often 😌

[@luanaprado4248]

yesss!!!

[@cakeairminge7004]

Chris this is good but I think you added too much tumblr nose to these lol

[@justtubingby129]

Your honest comment did not earn you her stamp of approval. But I agree with you.

[@boysandcorpses8768]

Calling something "tumblr *blank*" isn't a real criticism lmao its just her preference because people find red/pinkish tints to noses cute

[@justtubingby129]

These aren't in colour. Black noses look dirty and do not teach lighting as she claims... Therefore, she IS imposing her style.

[@ChickenOfAwesome]

Yeah, I was thinking this - first portrait, while pretty, looks like she's had a terrible cold for days once she's done with the nose.

[@flwerwolfie4398]

I know!! I was thinking that same thing 😂😂😂

[@user-fr9vv7rg4k]

Love your critiques and art style but the nose makes it look like the model has a cold, I know that the main goal isn’t to look as accurate as possible but it muddies the shape of the nose.

[@gwoopington]

I love her art style but I definitely agree about the nose. It also to me feels like she's lost the sense of depth in the face because the nose should be one of the brightest spots in most basic lighting types for a picture. Cutting back to drop shadow on the neck in the first drawing also messes with the depth perception because it looks like the hair isn't casting a shadow anymore. It's kind of me thinking "That looks really nice but it doesn't seem logical to me".

[@leilablue]

I love red noses

[@hentaislayer9642]

Hmm, i really like the nose thing. I see it in a lot of artist's work, i think it defines the nose more.

[@veronicadumitru1636]

I definitely liked it before she made the nose. It looks off and really not pleasing. The before and after are completely different. The before relies more on the picture, but the after is just... Nah.

[@tahliatalks8902]

I think tbh the artist had a slightly different light source and she just completely changed where the light was coming from

[@izehsy6715]

Fantastic video although u darken the bulb of the nose too much to the point where it looks like a deformity I would recommend you go with lighter values on that area

[@waoh21]

Yeah, agreed!

[@amberhalcyonart]

I agree

[@goolumf]

Ehsan Hooman she couldn’t rlly lighten the nose enough because of the white pencil

[@izehsy6715]

@@goolumf wdym ?

[@fiishdiish1480]

They look like they have colds

[@natashiabahnhansen6733]

(NOTE: This is NOT a hate comment!) As a painter I just wanted to remind that black-gray-white drawings don't only depict values made from shadows and light, but also tones and values created from the convertion from color to black-white. So, if the highlights are emphasized by darkening the surrounding values, it will read to the brain as a darkening of color as well, not just shadow. Certain areas are a little dangerous, when it comes to this. One being the nose. When the areas around the highlight of the nose is darkened to emphasize the highlight, it reads to the mind also as darkening of the implied color, and for the nose that would typically be red. Too much value around the nose in black-white therefore easily reads as darker red, which can make the person look like they have caught a cold. The same goes for the hair. If the hair is a fair blond and therefore competes with the light on the skin, the darkening of values should not necessarily be on the hair, but on the skin, because the skin typically will have a more muted and therefore slightly darker gray tone than the blond hair, whereas the hair will show as a darker color. I am not saying that it is a problem here, I just wanted to remind people that darker values don't just depict shadow but also color (even if the drawing/photo is black and white).

[@C4MER0N41]

exactly! great points

[@bevrobinson6660]

I think the darkening of the nose is a fashion within this type of illustration, so many people do this currently , sometimes it looks cute , other times they look ill or worse a drinker

[@elsagrace3893]

Natashia Adongo Hansen thanks! I should study more B&W photos.

[@melmel1071]

Couldn’t agree more with the noses I couldn’t stop reading them as red lol.

[@arielceleda4897]

Excellent coment, very clear. Thank you for your contribution to improve skills. Salutes from Argentina!

[@munchedmuffin]

i really really appreciate that ur not being overly nice with your critiques while also not being mean, you’re really encouraging while also pushing us to look critically at our own art. this was really informative and helpful!!! when i have some spare cash im definitely checking out your class!💜

[@ChrisHongArt]

I'm glad you found it informative, Di Di!

[@spardaspawn481]

She is very talented but the original first drawing looked nicer to me. Guess art really is subjective and even the "correct" techniques aren't always best.

[@dainah105]

Sparda Spawn she made it more technologically correct, which doesn’t always mean more pleasing but students need to know how to make something technically correct first

[@suzy2462]

Sparda Spawn that’s what I was thinking I was thinking it blended really nice together to were it was 100 in my eyes like the highlights on the bottom in the hair meant to add difference became to hold when she shaded it all in at the bottom wjew

[@cutelittleReis90]

@@dainah105 making the nose tip this dark isn't technological correct, also leaving the shadow from the neck, isn't. You can cleary see that the light comes slightly from above, so there should be shadow

[@sourpuss5951]

@@dainah105 If this was suppose to be technically correct, the noses should not have been so dark, unless you're seriously going for a "been rubbing nose all day from being sick" look.

[@Araanor]

skilled*

[@mosarratsiddika6086]

Some of her techniques and advices are valid and makes sense, but the rest of it seems unnecessary and overdone making the picture look quite muddy. Also it feels like she is completely changing the art style and not improving it. And the nose of all the drawings is overdone too.

[@asha_4095]

Yeah the nose changes were all unnecessary. It seemed to be more of a style thing. Dunno why she changed them

[@Tigerwhite28]

I actually prefer the first drawing as it was before

[@cabbagewater3377]

same

[@Tigerwhite28]

@Flávia yeah sure! The tips were useful and it's a good lesson! I just don't like how she changed the drawing because I think it looked great before, for my personal taste

[@cutelittleReis90]

Same, it gave me more purity and emotion before

[@re-mo3jq]

yeah especially the lips. they had a weirdly attractive dept to it

[@bradwatson7324]

Nope. It's better with the corrections.

[@cocopuppy5165]

When I look at the thumbnail, in general her new version of the first drawing looks more solid and better in general but the nose really sticks out being overly dark. Also I think I prefer the third one before she changed it. I really enjoyed hearing about the tips about light and value though.

[@symphony4124]

you are right, the third one had a couple of good parts that were changed.

[@bunnyph0bic156]

It overly dark to make ur eyes go to her face since its like a black dot on a white piece of paper..

[@cocopuppy5165]

PeachuePie Arts I get where your coming from but I feel like it gets to the point where it obstructs everyone from thinking it’s a “perfect” piece. It ends up looking like she’s got a flu or smt and changes the subject of the picture as a whole

[@lizardlizard8276]

@@bunnyph0bic156 yeah but the artist that made it made it pretty light so i dint think the artist wanted it to be overly dark like how this youtuber made it

[@votisit]

The reason you have so many comments regarding the dark noses is because you are a teacher and are teaching your students incorrectly when it comes to the values on the noses. They are far too dark. Not just a little bit too dark, but incredibly dark. If you stop the video at 55:34 there is a comparison photo that the student worked from as a reference. Honestly, can you not see how the altered drawing on the left is so very wrong? I feel that you have made some big mistakes when it comes to correcting your student's work with regards to value. You are also drawing straight lines where there are NO straight lines. A shadow will make a straight line, the top of the lips may be straight, but the nose has virtually no straight lines and yet you have altered your student's work with straight lines. Why? I feel that you have removed the charm and individual style from all of the drawings. You have imposed your own style and whilst that may suit your own drawings I think you have done these an injustice by your alterations. So much so that any "good" advice is ignored due to the way you have removed the character from the originals.

[@ch0o_choo]

Natasha Terran yes!!!

[@naiomiskelton]

I agree.

[@bethsleepien9817]

If you are interested in why some artists use straight lines in noses I feel like the video sinix designs did on noses could help you understand why she made those choices. :)

[@paunaic5460]

I don't think the way Chris handled the first drawing was the best way. The author said she was inspired by the striking eyes of the photo, so normally the handling of the drawing should have gone to the "popping out" of the eyes (similar to the thrid drawing). At the end, the eyes were pretty drowned out. Chris focused a lot on marking the shapes, so I guess she didn't care that much about the eyes of the first drawing for the lesson. The rest of the drawings resulted incredible though. Chris is really talented and professional with her critics.

[@akkoXD]

Yhea, I thought the same thing! I loved what she did with it, and she gave some really solid advice. But I feel like the eyes were really radiant before, and after the just felt a bit dull instead of popping out.

[@tallyrobinson9438]

Yeah I totally agree I feel like she made the face stand out as a whole but the eyes just kinda blended with the face a bit....if u get what I mean

[@safwanosman6329]

no bruh she was getting rid of the things she considered distracting, but also improve the sections that were distracting(or taking the focus away from the eyes).

[@ad_kk16]

@@akkoXD Ngl I liked it. It could just be me It wasn't too busy, the eyes are still the first thing you see. Nothing is really distracting you to see those eyes, I think it just fits more into the picture. Maune I'm just the type of person who will always lead up to the eyes first

[@hoodybox477]

i feel like she is just changing the artstyle

[@ch0o_choo]

hoody box me too

[@taniani884]

Idk, I think that’s just how it comes across bc of how she draws bc it’s... her art style. The notes of value and shape and focus are valid and important

[@Lilly-qs5sr]

definitely on the first one

[@user-ir7dd1xh8y]

Yellow Beret but the fact is that it’s her art style and that’s why she’s enforcing it on the originals. it’s not improving them a lot, it’s just modifying them to her own tastes. no hate though, she’s a good artist.

[@avavarose]

i agree that she’s adding her art style to the drawings, but i think she does modify the lighting and shadows to be more realistic. this can help teach others who have the intention of creating realistic portraits.

[@amba8916]

In my own drawings, i definitely tend to see hair as confusing strands and lose focus on what I am drawing, SO seeing you focus on shape and value really solidified in me what to look out for in my own art. THANK YOU!!! P.S. Your art really keeps me inspired to keep on creating, thanks a ton for the video!

[@ChrisHongArt]

I always find I'm fixing the hair and simplifying it further as I go ^^ I'm so glad to hear this video has helped in any way! Thanks for watching :)

[@asdfghjkl15301510]

I feel like most people criticizing this video didn’t actually watch the class - obviously the critiques she makes are related to the class the students participated in when creating these, not just completely general, ‘subjective’ tips. Also important to remember these people wanted critiques, she didn’t just decide that these ppls art should be changed, these ppl wanted her comments on work created when trying to use the techniques she taught them.

[@pottettoto]

These are so nice! The tips of making the focus to the face instead of the hair is great as well, although I do find that my focus goes to the nose; they look like red noses haha

[@ChrisHongArt]

I admit I might have gone a bit far with them, mostly to drive home the point about how the highlight of the nose has to be against something darker XD thanks for watching!

[@andrewaguayo115]

Chris Hong Art Haha I actually found it super cute to be honest! Though I have a genuine question! So I’ve been doing many art mistakes and you say to create more geometric shapes but I’ve never thought of doing that since my style is more cartoonish/anime than realism. But I assume shadow casting over certain parts make it look geometric shape? Not sure since I don’t study portraits or anything /: but I’d love to know your input on that! Because when you did it, the drawing became waaaay more realistic than not doing a geometric shape

[@aaliyahp6941]

@@andrewaguayo115 Try using sharp lines instead of soft ones and see how you like it. You can switch(use one fully) and even use a mix of soft and harsh lines for you art. Good luck, I hope I could help.

[@huhhhhfh]

kinda confused about the addition of straight lines. like why exactly does that help the portrait besides make it look more stylized?

[@elijahelkwood5459]

Sofia Agreed. She mentioned it made it more geometric but that seems like more of a style choice than anything? Maybe I’m missing something

[@Dln_rsls]

I think it helps balancing the overall composition, some straight lines can make a lot of contrast in a round/soft piece. But honestly I don't know if that makes sense lol

[@nataliedavis8949]

Oh, um, usually when drawing organic forms (people, animals, etc.) circles are usually avoided. They tend to look inorganic or just unnatural. It also helps with composition and such. Obviously that’s a purely stylistic choice, but I’ve noticed it is a common technique when drawing organic forms! :)

[@commentbot9510]

I think it just helps make the features more defined without getting too complex. She seems to have a theme with keeping things simple.

[@huhhhhfh]

@@nataliedavis8949 hmm interesting I can see what you're saying, I just feel like the end result looks a bit more cartoonish rather than more realistic and organic if that makes sense

[@imquitetiny7271]

i think theres a difference between fixing a few things and just completely changing the art style. There were a few helpful tips but i think it's sad that the things that made the art of your students unique and special (since everyone has a different style) were changed aswell.

[@Victoria-so1in]

s_sup agreed!

[@jiyam.12]

yea, like the addition of straight lines?? i felt like that's just a stylized choice, not a "correction" per se. it looks nice, but the art could have been left as it was already, because it gives a unique style to it

[@tamaradahlager8233]

Definitely agree

[@Malwina157]

Omg my thoughts! I was getting more and more mad during the video, for that exact reason.

[@crazydragy4233]

Sadly it's rare to see no bias here. 'Academical' art favours and pushes very specific things like structure.

[@skyt8327]

All of the nose “corrections” were way too darkened and it ended up making all of the portraits look like they had broken noses lol

[@daniaza3625]

do you guys not realize these people come specifically for CHRIS'S commentary not for y'alls subjective commentary?

[@233Hicks]

Why do they all have alcoholic noses now? It's like a Rudolph gallery.

[@CH-kr2df]

Yes, looks like alcoholism or a very angry pimple.

[@sourpuss5951]

Or a clown dress up party

[@FrolleinFroschbein]

I wondered that too

[@keithfukumitsu4851]

I might suggest rather than drawing over the artwork, you can use the old practice of using tracing paper over the art and make your comments there, and flip back and forth to show the differences. This doesn't lend itself easily to the contrast / lighting adjustments. though. Just a thought. Maybe some notes on the basics of modeling shapes; chiaroscuro, darkest dark/lightest light, cast shadows and reflected light as they apply to the complex shapes of the face. That may help to clarify the "why" a shadow is too dark or a highlight is too light.

[@madameberry]

Or just print out two copies and leave one untouched to flip back and forth between.

[@Uranusfog]

Becoming an art teacher to semi-professional artists is an easy job to get nowadays because of youtube. Just because someone can draw nice pictures doesn't mean they can be good art teachers. Most of her comments were generic and not concise. Artists need to be careful who they pay to teach them about anything.

[@becquerelian]

There are some good tips and pieces of information to gain from this video, but it seems clear to me that critique is not something you are familiar with giving. There are a lot of unnecessary changes made seemingly to satisfy only your preferences, given without solid advice alongside them, or things that were done very experimentally with a "well let's see what happens" kind of attitude. I feel it would be best to keep each critique to a couple of strong points and not stray too much from those. Try to support more what the original artist intended, as well, rather than running away with your own ideas. Keep the integrity of the artist intact.

[@ashadowintime7305]

you're simply too fragile for any criticism. she was extremely nice and helpful in her approach.

[@becquerelian]

@@ashadowintime7305 Pretty sure this years-old comment didn't say anything about her not being nice and was about giving better critiques rather than a rejection of all criticism. I'm glad you found the video informative though

[@mjrhmekssh]

I feel like if you submit your art to be painted over you actually want big changes. I don't see the point in only doing two or three things. Most commenters look at it from a perspective of personal preference instead of how much the student could take away

[@becquerelian]

@@mjrhmekssh What? If you're a student, presumably paying to learn how to create art as you envision it, why would you accept a teacher who doesn't value your takeaways from the exercises? That's a cool story though I guess. She's undoubtedly a talented artist, but if I wanted to see how she *specifically* draws, I would watch almost any of her other videos. Or this could have been a video of redraws rather than being advertised as tips and advice for her students.

[@alioleary3681]

Idk if it’s just me but I think I liked the first picture more before

[@RaffyART1995]

@ported_tree original drawing looks better that the one she changed it to.

[@WonderTwin11]

I disagreed with blocking out the light in the hair on the 3rd drawing. maybe very lightly shade so its not as striking as the highlight on the face but don't completely take it out. Hair reflects light too so if the source is coming from that side then the hair should show that as well given the hard contrast on the face

[@fiishdiish1480]

YEAH I AGREE it felt so offfff when the other side doesn't sync with the other

[@alexf3036]

To be honest I hope the red bulbous nose trend goes away... other than that, it's nice how much effort they put into those drawings.

[@xypaisb8026]

but I like it

[@Floof1122]

😔 I like it too

[@shadowseer07]

It gives the nose dimension, that’s the point.

[@justtubingby129]

@Alex Fülle, I agree with you. It's okay when she does it because it's her unique style. But when all her students begin to copy that nose or (even worse) when she changes other artists' drawings of noses into her "recognizable" style, then it gets to be too much. I really think the first nose looks like a clown's and the second one like an alcoholic because the girl's face is so pale. Sadly, however, we are (apparently) not allowed to comment on what "we see". We must conform and be agreeable and see things the way the aggressive viewers do. The ones who are ready to do battle over someone's point of view. If you are not an agreeable sheep, their hammer will strike you on the head. Because, in this age, popularity wins over freedom of expression. You must be in agreement with the artist and her followers because, being popular on KZbin, makes you an expert in every way. My condolences to you that your comment did not earn you a kissy heart. It was honest as well as kind.

[@bluewren65]

@@justtubingby129 The noses are what is really troubling to me. It gives them a cartoonish character, which is fine if you are drawing that way, but for straight portraiture it does grate a little. While it kind of works in the first drawing (although I agree with you it makes the whole image a bit clownish), it absolutely ruins the lovely geometry of the second drawing.

[@solarbear3621]

What happened to the jawline of the first one? It looks like the head is floating now lol.

[@marybaldaan7079]

Am I the only one *hating* the sound of the blending stump? It really gives me chills and I also can’t use it in real life 😂 Awesome vid btw

[@laia6548]

same

[@bluewren65]

A really interesting exercise. First I'd like to say thank you to the people who agreed to submit their work for review. That takes courage. Like some commenters below, I too have a problem with the nose shading. While I realise this is Chris's style, I don't think it fits quite as well with these drawings. Also, the third drawing was really good after the first editing, but going back to it resulted in the image being overworked. It was also the only drawing in which I thought the nose worked in the initial edit. Overworking an image is something that I am constantly vigilant about. Great video, very instructive and generous of you to share with us, Chris.

[@BethanieBailey]

While some of the things she did made since and show how you should be thinking about values (light sources and etc,) she took away most of the things I liked about the original drawings. Also she didn't explain why she did some things. Like she often made shapes on the face more geometric or "straight lines" rather than curved. Why?

[@Alicia-rn8bg]

Is like she is erasing her students personality expression.

[@BethanieBailey]

@@Alicia-rn8bg yes, I feel like she took away the things that made each of them unique!!

[@saram2905]

I think it has to do with defining the shapes. Since the video has too do with her portraits class ( she said the class addresses anatomy and shadow and light values), I think she focused on correcting the drawings with that in mind not the originality or other stuff since for example for a teacher when evaluating a project abt shadow and light values they will focus on that in particular. Not the other stuff that for example you might have liked better on the drawings.

[@xeon2773]

showing off or defining the planes of the face?

[@IvaZinga]

11:55 you darken the hair and then 15:11 you add light ?? very confusing but overall I found it helpful to hear your toughts of drawings so I learned a lot !

[@snowangel7980]

The first one I think you made too dark. I liked what you did with the hair shape at the beginning and then the eyes, but after you darkened the pupils and the values on the left side, I think you should've stopped. The eyes were the focal point and the drawing was a little bit "cartoony" so the ways the eyes popped from the highlight on the eyelid gave it a little more character. I also liked the lightening of the nose, but I felt that the darkening of the lips, and adding the straight lines to the nose were a mistake as it made it look more stylized. If anything, I would've further darkened the background to bring out the shapes around the neck and hair. When you darkened the whole shape of the chin and the neck from the cast, we completely lost the jawline, which made the drawing look more flat. The reshaping of the background above at the very end was nice, but I think that because the light source was from the top right corner, that the top of the hair should've remained white, or at least very very light compared to what it was. It was also confusing that you put the sharp lines in the face, but then noted there shouldn't be sharp lines but rather shapes in the hair. Overall, the original drawing was really soft, so I would've tried to maintain that. For example, the lines you drew under the eyes just seemed to distract from the highlights you emphasized in them as it was a sharp point of interest. I was also really confused why you decided to remove the sharp hairline on the second drawing. Blending the hair out into the background took away from the emphasis on the "sleekness" of the hair and because the right eyebrow was darkened so significantly, the two dark areas sort of created this checkerboard feeling, where my eyes wanted to look either at the dark patch or the eyebrow at the same time. Because the shadows were all on the right side of the face, the hair lightness and the background shadow you created seemed confusing and opposite, like they also should've been on the right side. And again, as in the first, the hair/jaw/neck definition was totally lost in making everything one shape. We can't really tell where her neck ends and her hair begins. Then in the very next drawing, you tried lightening the background around the hair because it was competing with the shape of the hair. So what you did in drawing two, you told the artist of drawing three to not do. Mighty confusing. When you went back and darkened the chin and right side of the jawline on it I was sad, because the shadows on the left hand side lost their emphasis. The shapes became less intentional. Also, because the right hand side of the face was well lit, it didn't really make sense to darken it. If anything, the eye should've been lightened (which I realize would be very difficult for you to do with your white pencil). I've not seen any of your own artwork, but your corrections make me think that your art is stylistically very geometric. For portraits and teaching courses, this may be adequate especially in using shapes to help create better portraits. But also as a teacher, I think it's good to recognize that not everyone will draw the same way as you, and that the critiques shouldn't seek to make their drawings yours, but rather to improve them conceptually (darkening that patch of hair to one value to emphasize it's shape and reduce noise, creating focus points, recognizing where shadows are coming from, etc.) Some of the choices and changes you made seemed to come not from a technical perspective but one of personal choice.

[@allieoop9277]

it’s interesting to see the changes made and while i agree with a lot of them, the darkening of the nose seems a bit too stylized? Like i can tell the reddened nose is something that might be consistent in your own work but i’m not sure if it went with the style of the other portraits

[@wakaranai5165]

i dunno..... i think the original ones are better and you actually ruined it. like how you like making blunt lines that makes the lips or the nose look lopsided and over shadowing some parts that it looks a mess.

[@Olga-vo8gc]

Dude, the hate people are throwing to a woman who has one of the best art channels is insane. It's not the first time we see "it looked better before" comments on drawing over videos but I kinda took for granted that they'd have a bit more respect to the f* Chris Hong. People just go at anyone on the Internet theese days. I'm curious to know who theese people are and what do they do in their lives to back up their cruel statements. Besides, most of the things they're saying aren't even true. She was respectful with her students' decisions, she just made those decisions stronger and explained how, she didn't even change them. And she definately worked like the pro she is on the one that looks completely different in style to hers like "go with this, this is your style, it's ok, just pay attention to this and that". If that's not what a good teacher says, I don't know what it is. Also, she could as well not post this video here. I'm nothing but thankful, honestly. And she's not being defensive: she simply doesn't have to smile and nod to whatever thing a nobody feels like saying here. Please excuse me if my english is poor. Keep it going, Chris

[@ChrisHongArt]

haha I appreciate your comment and your English is perfect! I don't get bothered by a lot of comments (used to it by now XD) but I agree, I think there's an upward trend of leaving fairly accusatory, and inflammatory comments guised as some kind of bulletproof "opinions", and being told to just say "thank you for your opinion" as if we shouldn't question its validity is just flagrantly wrong and not something I stand for!

[@Olga-vo8gc]

@Sweet me well, I think there is criticism and there is "hate". And I also think that some comments were designed to offend her personally other than provide an opinion... that made me tick. guilty. XD

[@izehsy6715]

Istebrak is the best art portrait teacher just sayin

[@Jordan-db2og]

@Compulsive Winner you'd have a point if there were any comments calling the artist a bad person lmfao. Nice try tho

[@Jordan-db2og]

@Compulsive Winner if anyones being hateful, its definitely you. If you need to call someone pathetic and delusional because they don't agree with you, you need to get a grip and grow the fuck up

[@nataly9921]

i think you overworked the third piece

[@beargvn]

I appreciate you critiquing the pieces but the only one I cannot agree with are the straight lines in the nose and addition of geometric. These are more stylistic choices rather than fundamental technique. I feel like you muddied up the shape of the lips as well and lost a lot of the contrast in the face in general. I really appreciate you doing this though.

[@gabriellehenry1044]

I think she mentioned it tho in the last one she was going over that it was more of a stylistic choice

[@JensengTea]

I definitely think that some of these tips are dependent on your own artistic style. I, personally, wouldn't have strengthened certain features by using harder lines since it takes away from the softness my style likes to emphasize. But this was a really interesting video to watch - I haven't seen someone draw over another person's sketch to edit it before!

[@Alicia-rn8bg]

You are forcing your art style into your students drawing, this is not helping or improving their technique, this is erasing their personality

[@busanocharlenb.9694]

Agree. It breaks my heart.

[@katiesalvadore7306]

No... they're in the beginning stages of art and they need to learn techniques for the future. She never said that she doesn't accept these drawings...she's just showing what she knows, so they can implement it with their styles later in life.... Artists learn from each other....literally have been for centuries.

[@katiesalvadore7306]

@@busanocharlenb.9694 No... they're in the beginning stages of art and they need to learn techniques for the future. She never said that she doesn't accept these drawings...she's just showing what she knows, so they can implement it with their styles later in life.... Artists learn from each other....literally have been for centuries.

[@Stewchat_etc]

Its called tuition. Every beginner needs it in order to develop their own style from a solid base. She shows techniques, they can decide whether they like it or not.

[@kyttenn]

@@katiesalvadore7306 Jess Karp is NOT in the “beginning” stages of art. She’s absolutely incredible.

[@Lifeandreborns]

You made the first one look completely different. I liked the original one the features looked softer

[@bossbabypaints]

This is why we can’t have good videos everyone is just gonna bash the artist for drawing over,, smh drawing over is actually a very good way to give critique and the students have consented to this, plus she is trying to show what SHE would do it’s HER class she is technically teaching her methods, her ways and her style eventually so if u don’t want it, well she never gave you the critique why u guys getting so pressed

[@thevanamacha]

I don't know. When I first started watching I was like, "Yeah, she's giving tips to follow the foundations in drawing." Then as it went on, I just noticed that there was a lot of points or changes she made that came from her own personal taste, especially the last one. The last drawing, the student never mentioned if she wanted to draw the portrait in their own personal style, but Chris assumed so and kept it so. If the tips for the portrait drawing were towards drawing portraits straight from life, that's not what this video was. It was a video critiquing work based on what aspects of foundations Chris prefers plus her own personal taste.

[@magical571]

i mean, if she were to "fix" that drawing she would need to start over, cause the eyes are way too big, the forehead should be lower/bigger, the mouth should be a little bit smaller and definitely go further up the face and closer to the nose. Honestly i think she was just being nice lol. cause otherwise that drawing is wrong from the very foundations. and well, this is what she said in an indirect manner too lol.

[@XxlilmewmewxX]

" i dont think the value range is there yet" *makes everything the same dark gray*

[@starlight..]

i know, it kinda stressed me out when she kept darkening everything.

[@magical571]

x'D honestly you may be accostumed to drawings with pastel colors and such, watercolors without much value range, etc. cause you do wanna leave shadow areas generally darker in that "same dark gray". people tend to be scared and just gravitate towards puting the same lights and highlights everywhere, no matter if it's the shadow side or not, and it looks cartoonish.

[@XxlilmewmewxX]

@@magical571 im saying the drawings are too dark and overworked. i know shadows are supposed to be dark lol

[@Aquarius_pooxhi]

I feel like on the first one she made it look worse

[@averymerryfairy43]

How?

[@cabbagewater3377]

i dont think it looks worse but i feel like she overdid it,like she changed it too much and added way to much unnecessary things

[@sodom7317]

No not really

[@danniellesmith5299]

It just ended up a bit too muddy. Some corrections were nice, but others made the drawing looked overworked.

[@xtonibx5770]

I think some of the things she did were great, like getting rid of the little circle thing in the bottom left corner. But I think she made it too annoyingly dark. I feel like in the original drawing, the light was coming from the top or bottom left but she completely darkened the picture to make it look like the light was coming from the right.. ? Idk. Some of her adjustments were good, but she did too much and I liked the style a lot more before. Edit: She also mentioned that the original artist wanted to bring out the beauty in the eyes from the reference photo. The way Chris redid it just completely washed out the beauty and quality of the eyes and that's probably what bothered me the most.

[@loen2629]

The darkness of the noses really distracts from all the other features in my opinion. It's a strong focal point, so strong that it kind of disturbs the balance of the whole picture. Especially in the second portrait the nose is way to dark for my liking. And the first drawing looked better the way the original artist drew it in my opinion. The outcome was too muddy and the purpose of making the eyes pop was almost completely lost between all the dark shadows. The values were balanced before the alterations. But that's just my opinion. I still admire your art style and it looks really nice, but you tried to make these drawing look like a copy of your style since you altered them a little too much in my opinion. I mostly like what you did to the second and third drawing tho (except the dark nose).

[@kosinus]

it is really a shame that you put all these dark values on yhe tip of the nose, make them look like clowns, otherwise this video is fantastic !

[@jyuya6594]

I need to point out that I watched the full video. Like, I clicked on it and started watching and 20 mins later I realized I wasn't even in the middle of the vid, and when I checked the time and saw it was 1 hour, oh well... Let's just watch it all and learn cuz I have nothing else to do right now -_- This actually helped me a LOT

[@ChrisHongArt]

haha I'm glad to hear it has helped!

[@artofjesskarp]

I loved drawing this portrait in your class and thank you for you insights!

[@ChrisHongArt]

Thanks so much again Jess!! ☺️

[@unusuariomas2713]

I love your portrait!

[@Planktonbrained]

Yours was breathtaking! By far my favorite.

[@pathyziermalandrinha]

I liked, but the first drawing I think that strong black line on the right side of the face is so so ugly. I like it more without it, idk why you did it,

[@tomaszmikolajek9688]

She wanted to make the right side of the face look more noticable and to make her cheek bone pop up more. In my opinion it looks good, but I respect your opinion💛⭐💫

[@pathyziermalandrinha]

@@tomaszmikolajek9688 she blurred the entire ear and part of the face with such a black line and shadow ... It don't looks cool at this point, but I love the rest of the work including the drawings she did after.

[@ДмитрийВасильев-я6б]

The lesson learned: "use gray paper".

[@mathilda6763]

The thing about evening out values and being more subtle in the shadow shapes so they don't compete with the focal point because there's toomuch detail and contrast is really helpful. Thank you. I really should practice that.

[@yamezschneider6892]

People's noses are usually only dark red when they are suffering an illness of some sort. Those noses just make them look like clowns--you haven't made an improvement to their technique, their accuracy nor their style by darkening the tone of the nose so drastically.

[@nem3sis.yt_]

agreed.

[@goolumf]

Yamez Schneider she wanted to demonstrate structure, but the white pencil couldn’t lighten enought

[@thebigoledowner8922]

It’s a stylistic choice. Some artists like drawing dark noses.

[@fsketchdesignsfengmei3762]

Okay, some of these comments have valid criticism for the teacher, others are just plain assholes. People in the comments need to learn where the line is drawn and to remember that she can read all these comments and she's a person on the other side of the screen.

[@vibing6530]

I know right. Like I prefer the original of the first drawing but sheesh lol

[@philodendron3736]

I think this video was really informative for lighting and shape choices. I do think the faces did change to your style, I think it was mainly the nose like you said in the video. But people taking your class are learning to do your style choices so I'm not seeing a big deal of the drawing over part. I do hope to see a side by side comparison. Thanks for making these videos! 😊

[@dzejbxxx8204]

i think you made the noses a litlle bit more rudolph-the-red-nose-reindeerish, than like a human. Also I don't think you need to really make everything so heavy to pop up the light.

[@voicedify]

I may not agree with everything you have said in this video but I still feel like I learned a lot and I was thoroughly entertained. If you decide to do more videos like this, you have my approval as your new loyal subscriber. :)

[@starcakezz]

it's interesting how in the first drawing, before any modifications, the eyes look to the side, but after modifications, they seemed to look at you. Maybe slightly, and maybe my hallucinations, but it felt like eyes were shifted.

[@atne3484]

The third one looked a lot better before imo

[@x_jun_x]

ikr?? it looked so good, she ruined it lmao

[@BrendaFOBRocks]

you did this so well and so respectfully

[@nataly9921]

yall, the class shes dong its for stuff she knows, the students drawings werent the style she liked nor teached so she fixed in her style

[@Mirage-1210]

Well the students wanted to take her class cuz they admired the way she draws and they wanted her to improve their drawings and that's what she did. Even though she stylized it more to her style (which is normal) she said a lot of information about value and shapes that are basics for any style not only hers. I honestly don't think anyone can disagree that she enhanced the drawings and made them look way better not cuz it's her style but because they lacked a lot of obvious things that u need in any style.

[@kerryd59]

I liked the first drawing before the changes, it looks like one of those whimsy drawings now. The eyes are no longer the focus of attention but rather the heavy brows and the nose that does not look at all natural.

[@darthvader4384]

The first one is amazing and I personally think their is a point where you can over work something but yeah amazing video you are very good a critiquing

[@amberandrews6692]

I don't understand why you darkened the nose so much. Doesn't your nose get the most light?

[@x_jun_x]

The first and third drawings were great before the adjustment.

[@paneeni]

The students made great submissions to your skill share class! Your tips and corrections are so helpful in learning the actual techniques and concepts behind portrait drawing. Also for keeping in mind how to make marks with an intention behind them. Thank you so much for sharing this with us, Chris! You’re a wonderful teacher ☺️

[@ChrisHongArt]

Thanks Connie, I'm glad you hear you enjoyed the video!

[@islagiles8608]

I feel like in an art class you should learn the fundamentals about lighting shading gradients etc. this has that but a lot of ur stylistic opinion

[@elsagrace3893]

Isla Giles but you can tell the difference, right? So what’s the harm? She gives a lot of important info that we can choose to use or not.

[@islagiles8608]

elsa Grace yeah but for a beginner I don’t think people would be able to tell the difference

[@nathanhill8448]

I didnt watch past the first one cuz you butchered it.

[@rosewinter4818]

I disagree so strongly with taking out the highlights in the hair. You forgot that hair is HIGHLY reflective and in black and white pictures you need to remember that color doesn’t matter as much value.

[@shadowseer07]

I absolutely adore your Skillshare class! Its exactly what I've been looking for and definitely the best on Skillshare. I've taken many online courses, and a college Figure Drawing class, but I always feel like I'm not actually being taught the fundamentals, or that something vital is being left out. What I noticed immediately watching your class is though I've heard the terminology you use (blocking in, using shapes etc) you actually show step by step HOW to do it! You show exactly what you mean and that's VITAL. I feel like I can finally take that big leap forward in my art journey because of your class. I can actually see what I've been doing wrong!!!! I know this is a huge and monumental ask, but please tell us your planning a figure class, or at the very least a course on gesture? You are an AMAZING art teacher!!!!!!!

[@ChrisHongArt]

aww I'm so thrilled to hear how much you liked it!! and I'm not sure if I'll ever feel confident enough to do a FIGURE drawing course, I feel so rusty now since I haven't done life-drawing in so long haha. But gesture drawing is something I might consider doing in the distant future! 😁

[@shadowseer07]

@@ChrisHongArt I'm honestly looking forward to any courses you do I love this first one so much!! I feel so motivated to improve.

[@goolumf]

Saying ”great video but the nose looks like a deformity because it’s too dark” Is NOT constructive criticism. If someones teaching you to draw structure and can’t lighten the original drawing, they’re gonna draw OVER it and EMPHASIZE the structure since that’s what they’re teaching you. I don’t see the point of laser focusing on the dark values on her nose? Ok we get it you can tell the value is too dark, good for you. what’s your point? Saying it’s a tumblr nose, a deformity, her imposing her style, shows more about you than her or her art. I’m very curious what kind of art these commenters make themselves. If you’re leaving a comment like this you most likely didn’t get the point of this video, and I feel sad for you that you’re missing out on a learning opportunity.

[@teresamaria3525]

i just feel like they were all better before...

[@Polecat54941]

The first picture was classy and this process ruined it and made it look cheap in my opinion

[@justtubingby129]

I see these drawings more as transformed into your style rather than fixing work of others'.

[@thatperson1679]

Yeah. I specially feel like the first one didn’t need any touch up. The shadows and everything was nice :~

[@livm.6825]

i think she's just giving tips of some more sophisticated techniques? these people took her class so they obviously intend to learn from her experience and expertise

[@alychart]

@@thatperson1679 the values on the first one look definitely better after the tips that she gives, that it looks good at first doesn't mean that there's no room to improve. Some things may be her stylistic choice but not most of them.

[@dnzzzl4853]

like someone else said, the values def look more defined after, but I see what you mean, especially when she used straight lines in the facial features

[@thatperson1679]

I’m not saying that she did anything bad, just that the drawing was pretty good before (not that it looked bad after but I liked before lol) overall the video wasn’t bad

[@ourabouras]

This was wonderful to watch, I always learn so much from watching a teacher critique mine and other student’s work, instead of simply starting with a blank page. I really like the way you use straight lines to help emphasize/ define the plans of the face through shadow, I’m gonna have to try that out with my own portraiture.

[@ChrisHongArt]

I'm happy to hear you enjoyed it! I also learn a ton from watching others get critique on their work, it definitely helps to have some context! :)

[@echohowell3536]

I really like how you didn’t change the shapes completely, like when a neck was too wide or something else, you didn’t change the shape, you mainly focused on schadows and highlights which is really helpful

[@NachiketNaik]

In the first portrait the light is not coming from the right. It is from the left. You can see from the shadow of the nose, the highlights on the shoulder area.

[@whospilledmybeans]

How did u make it better by scribbling all over it and smearing?

[@elsagrace3893]

Who spilled My beans have you not yet learned to incorporate your subject into a background? Sounds as though you are still drawing floaty heads and figures.

[@masterduelversus]

why does every drawing look like a cartoon?

[@amtra1778]

because some things are very outline and/or emphasized and there isn't exactly super subtle shifts and turns of values

[@silverend85]

Because of the Rudolph the red nose reindeer noses.

[@ZurditaDinamita]

... Because they are not realistic portraits ._.

[@masterduelversus]

@@ZurditaDinamita so their students are learning how to draw cartoons?

[@ZurditaDinamita]

@@masterduelversus Maybe, I can't know it lol

[@vodkahouse6662]

u ruined their drawings to be fair -__ - i liked how they looked before

[@554CutePink]

Me @ 3am: I'm going to draw so much after binging all of Chris's videos Also me: ...tomorrow.

[@nootnootimaboot8798]

This really blurs the line between showing proper technique and just decimating the original art style. Yes there’s a difference between having style and being unskilled, but this isn’t it.

[@goolumf]

She’s not drawing over to make it into a good piece, she’s doing it to demonstrate techniques and pitfalls students commonly have. Maybe she exaggerated a bit or used her own style, but it’s the commentary y’all should be taking srsly. For the first one, there’s only so much she can cover with the white pencil, so to add structure, it got a bit dark. Keyword- structure. Some people in the comments jumping on any chance to feel better abt themselves instead of trying to learn :/

[@user-dc6pk5lg3m]

Could you do a video on how to visualize the human skull as a 3d object/learn how to draw it better and apply it in portraits? Ive been trying to learn but its a lot and a bit overwhelming :(

[@dabrisx666]

Thank you Chris for making this video! Your tips are super helpful and I really appreciate that you shared this on youtube! It's kinda sad that some comments are not very friendly, despite the hard work that you are putting into making the video.

[@harrierdubois8168]

I mean it's a course to learn to draw in her style so... why is everyone so mad?

[@agoodname723]

You Need To Work On Drawing noses There all Drawn The Same And At The Same Angle + They Look Odd

[@blueballs8599]

you messed up the first pic...

[@nit11]

I feel like all the noses are too dark, and you made it even worse, or these girls have a cold or are drunk. The first drawing was more manga and now is more cartoon. I see the problems of light and distractions, but i don't like all your solutions

[@nmonteiro7144]

Love the class so much. I was going to re-watch it when I saw the notification. 😃 I hope I can post my project soon. This video was so useful. Thank you Chris.

[@ChrisHongArt]

Thanks so much Ni!! You left such a nice review 😭😭 I truly hope it helps you when you go do your drawing! 💪

[@Lilly-qs5sr]

the first one was so pretty

[@mimami_]

she made the eyes pop out less in the first one... i liked the original one much better

[@kageoashj2912]

They are drawing tips, not "i am the best artist ever" Of course it will look like her own style, but I appreciate the great tips on lighting and how to darken the value as well as defining hair. One of the most difficult things is going darker with your shades because its easy to be afraid and keep things light and washed out while they still look good.

[@glimpseofparadise]

The 1st looks like a botched plastic surgery after the modifications. 🤔

[@joanne2819]

This was such a great and informative video! I just had to comment since I saw people complaining but... the fact that you went this far into working on their work is so helpful. I don't see how anyone could complain that you put MORE time into giving that many more tips and advice as you draw over it. In art school, I found that you would be lucky to even get 5 minutes of a professor's time so it's obvious whether more critique or less critique is better!? And I thought you were actually super nice in consideration with style. I personally don't understand the gripe with style, the point is to make it better fundamentally regardless of style or "OVERDRAWING" someone else's work, which is... THE POINT?

[@ChrisHongArt]

Thanks Joanne, I honestly didn't expect to upset some people when I uploaded the video!😂 I got the idea for it since I was frustrated that I was leaving very long feedbacks to students' assignments but not being able to actually DEMONSTRATE what I meant. I thought it was a really great idea actually, that this video could serve as an extension to the class that students can refer to to help with their own drawings, and also be accessible for people on KZbin as well. I also don't understand the whole thing about style, as an artist I really don't even give "style" much thought anyway. I'm just happy to see most people are finding the video as I intended it, which is to be helpful!

[@shadowseer07]

Chris Hong Art I take Schoolism courses and this is the exact technique they use, and it’s imperative to the learning process and probably the BEST part of their courses! You are very generous to be doing this for your Skillshare students.🙏🏽

[@dancow7415]

Definitely ruined the first one, why did you feel the need to change the shape of the nose when it was completely unnecessary lol