I Feel Scammed By Star Citizen And I Gave Up On It...

[@SomeOrdinaryGamers]

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[@simeonehdhdyxhxy]

love you muta

[@bonbob9512]

New Muta vid just dropped

[@NailsByAura]

Love ya mutalation

[@lnactivesince2024]

Hi Mutah!

[@dogearflopper7011]

My balls will never be the same.

[@adenansu]

I'm going to leave my Star Citizen account in my will, and hope my grandkids will finally see the game released.

[@sooshibagel]

i feel like my account is the reason ill never have grandkids

[@SkylarTrahan]

They’ll have to leave it for their grandkids

[@B.V.Luminous]

I'm not lying here when I told the person who introduced me to Star Citizen that we would have to leave our accounts to our children.

[@InsertSomethingStupid2002]

​@@sooshibagel gah damn man

[@jamie1224]

When their great grandkids are adults, perhaps.

[@eric_of_weird2776]

Eight or so years after buying in I got an email telling me the team was working hard on creating the tech to allow sheets to work realistically on beds.

[@S....]

Whatever makes them sleep better.

[@dicariel]

Visionary 😮

[@A55455In47I0n]

IT'S BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY A BIG CASH GRAB TO FUND CHRIS ROBERT'S FAILED CINEMATOGRAPHY DREAM WHILE USING THE 'TECH' AS THE CINEMATIC ENGINE WHICH MIGHT MEAN THAT WE GET SOME EPIC MOVIES 10 YEARS FROM NOW? XD?

[@KingBeelz]

@@A55455In47I0nWHY ARE YOU YELLING

[@Jizzlewobbwtfcus]

I hope those sheet have Anti-Amber Heard Poop Technology

[@PlayerOne.StartGame]

I was pumped about star citizen back in 2012 when I saw Angryjoe talk about it. I figured I'd wait till it was polished up a bit before I made a pledge.... It has been 10 years, I joined the army, served in 5+ countries, got a degree, left then came back to religion, and got married. And this shit is STILL IN DEVELOPMENT.

[@NEOgeek402]

The issues is no one really thingks about it look at games like GTA, cyberpunk, etc they take almost as long and make why more for less.

[@Zarathustra_infinite]

your grandkids are going to play the finished star citizen

[@Tyzen7]

And yes your PFP is still cringe. Didn't grow much did you bud?

[@reecechadwick8504]

Ah well 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@vagamer522]

Thanks for serving whatever country your in.

[@Shamino1]

12 years and still no Squadron 42. No Gary Oldman, no Mark Hamill- but they certainly got paid with backerbucks so Chris Roberts could LARP as a director again.

[@frankiecoss7141]

Little do we know, but Chris has been actually developing a way to become immortal so he can work on Star Citizen for an eternity.

[@jcorwin651]

He needs the Star Citizen money to keep that snail away from him.

[@worldgov3922]

​@@jcorwin651 The snail is inevitable. No matter where you are. No matter what you do. It will reach you.

[@parable2788]

@@worldgov3922 im putting it in a hamster ball

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Well it's been 7 years, same as Starfield. Rust took 8 RDR2 9 And Cyberpunk 10 It's also TWO games, so $250 million each, RDR2 spent $350 million on advertising alone. RDR2 and Cyberpunk also had ten times the staff, and legacy code in an established Studio What SC has done with so few staff and in such a short time is unprecedented in gaming history. Of course you can disagree, but you can't tell me the Dev stats for Starfield, or any other comparable title, because no other Studio releases them.

[@devastatingrpg2075]

@@worldgov3922 holy shit ive figured it out. Chris is trying to get his mind put into star citizen which is the product of all the money he gained from the deal and pledges. He is trying to escape the snail by living in in SC

[@Duran8998]

The game has been in development for so long that I have forgotten about it completely on three different occasions.

[@stage6fan475]

😀😀😀😀😂

[@moonasha]

funny thing is its been in development for as long as GTA6

[@leroyrussell8766]

No it has not. Please educate yourself. Or I can do it for you. First, development did not start until 2012. Prior to that, there was only a proof of concept created in order to start up the crowd funding. But, this game we are playing, was not started in 2012. It was started in 2015. Why? Because Chris Roberts originally envisioned it as an updated Freelancer type game. There were going to be no planets or moons that you could fly down to. Only instances. In other words, if you remember the original Area 18...that's what planets would be like. You can see this in the 2014 CitizenCon demo. They select to land at Area 18, and the game would fly you down to the planet, and give you a little tour as you flew between some buildings. You would not have control until landed. Then, you could depart the ship, or choose to leave the planet. When leaving the planet, it would have been the same auto-pilot function Well, a bunch of us asked for more. I was polite about it, but some weren't. Chris Roberts said he needed 23 million to make his original vision. By the time the big "real planets" thread took off, they were at around 45 million. So when CiG originally said they could not do this, some people got nasty about it, and tied the amount of money to what should be in the game. In other words, they were closing in on twice what Chris Roberts said he needed. So, in 2015 a survey was sent out. A link in your email to a survey. The results were overwhelming...the community wanted more, and they wanted it to be epic. Sound familiar? Seems the community for No Man's Sky were doing the same thing. Kind of a trend these days, when the Developers try to be open to the community, the community suddenly becomes Idea Guys, and demand everything their heart's desire. Thus, the "stretch goals" were born. You want this feature, they need this much money. At some point, the community then demanded that the stretch goals be stopped, and the game simply be made. No more new features. I should also note that The Next Great Starship had a lot to do with this also. I suspect they did it to look for talent they could hire. We have Apocalypse Arms ship guns in the game, because one of the guys in the competition who was really good at animations created the that name for his gun, in the preliminary competition, and he got hired by CiG. Keep in mind, they had a very small crew in 2012, and had to build up from there. More on that later. But TNGS brought out more nastiness. They people who participated were quite talented, and they made some very cool ships. This brought out the trolls who took it as an opportunity to slam CiG's ships. Well, Chris took that to heart, and even said during one of the episodes that they were going to have to up their game. Now, this puts the current development at 8 years. Yes, everything made prior to that had to be redone. Now, is 8 years a long time? Not really. Red Dead Redemption 2 took 10 years, and that was a fully up and running game studio, with teams that were familiar with each other, and the game engine they were using. CiG has had to recreate much of the game engine they are using. For instance, the CryEngine did not do curved water surfaces, which were needed for these round planets. So they had to create that themselves. Sean Tracy was hired to be their CryEngine expert, and he admitted that the engine has changed so much, that he's not the expert on the engine now. To be sure, there have been some hiccups along the way, but given the fact that they had to create this game while also creating a new, very large team to do it, that's not unexpected. The bottom line is this...there are a couple of key technologies they are working on for Squadron 42. The AI is one of them. The CryEngine couldn't handle what they needed...they weren't happy with the AI, so they are creating a whole new AI. That's one tech that I know of. But I heard there were two or three they were working on. Once those are done, Squadron 42 will release. After that, we can expect a lot of content to be released to the Star Citizen PU, since they did admit that they have to hold a lot of content back for Squadron 42. Why is that important? Well, do you remember all the fanfare in the gaming media when ARK went live? No? Exactly. There was no fanfare. It was a snoozefest, because we had almost everything when it went live. The reality is that the epic games made today, tend to take a long time to make. But, most are made without you thinking about them much. You get a bit of news here or there, but the hype doesn't start until they are very close to being ready to take pre-orders. Many of those games were in development for many years before they hype began. How much time a game takes to make, will depend on the type of game, and how much new tech is involved. A Madden 2023, reskinned to be Madden 2024, isn't very involved to make, so they can pump those out like burgers at McDs. A new CoD will take a little longer, but that's still going to be made from the tried and true recipe, with a few new gimmicks to make it feel fresh. But a game like Star Citizen...something that has never been done before, being made by a new Start Up company, is going to take more time. I'm in the camp that wants them to get it right. Too many times, games are rushed out, not ready for Prime Time, and it kills the interest. The community implodes and only a few diehards remain. You especially see this with early access games. By the time the game is polished and ready to play, most of the people have moved on. I've seen this happen many times. Anyway, yes this is a wall of text, but the explanation couldn't be done any justice in a short couple of sentences.

[@ihavestage5terminalbasedca887]

@@leroyrussell8766 buh

[@polymloth]

@@leroyrussell8766 I wish people would read this

[@Megaman8880]

I had an online buddy that was excited about this game years ago, and he literally died before release.

[@kajmak64bit76]

LMaooo F in the Chat

[@65firered]

It still hasn't been released.

[@alkohnest]

I've graduated three times, got a job and bought a house.

[@Spike-qh2bb]

Star Citizen is still not released yet probably in another 5 years if you're lucky.

[@petermmm42]

​@@Murderbits I hope life gets better and you get back to health 🙏

[@davekennedy6315]

A sobering thought is that Chris Roberts last finished game was Freelancer back in 2003. Freelancer was only eventually finished after Microsoft stepped in and kicked Chris Roberts off the project altogether! Prior to that there were major complaints about Roberts wasting time and money. The Wing Commander movie was over budget and way behind schedule. Being over budget and behind schedule sounds like Roberts standard!

[@Motionlessmouse]

yeah but all of those things were well received, its almost like taking time on something makes it better.

[@CALAMITY0FHYRULE]

​@@Motionlessmouse but if you can't finish it, you have failed. I don't care if star citizen is the greatest game of all time. They have refused to put themselves in check and finish the systems they've put in

[@Motionlessmouse]

@@CALAMITY0FHYRULE last i checked they still have time to finish it... whats your point? the game hasn't been abandoned and the development has actually sped up. The single player game squadron 42 is in polish phase and there has already been testing for server meshing (800 players in a single instance) Tell me this, what exactly do you think it takes to implement new technology and systems that no one else has made?

[@twottj]

@@Motionlessmouse found a member of the star citizen cult

[@urahi830]

@@Motionlessmouse dude this isn't normal, please seek help, it didn't take this long to develop all the GTA games combined

[@LizzyKoopa]

My first interaction in this game was drinking coffee in the little apartment you start in. My character was shot out of the space station and went into hyperspace. On my next attempt, I avoided the coffee and stuck to the decafe. wanted to be like Futurama and deliver packages, I honestly like the hauling concept (( when it works)) I loaded my ship and tried taking off. suddenly my ship just spazzed and launched directly into a building exploding. I suddenly have a warrant not for my arrest. I try to figure out how to get it removed and low and behold it's a whole chore on its own. after about a month, I did become a delivery driver, but I am delivering coke and space weed. I just wanted to deliver pizzas or something, but star citizen made me a criminal who can only drink de-cafe.

[@sigmamale6128]

Do actual cargo trading, box missions are ass tbh

[@maineman5757]

Pain

[@milhousevanhoutan9235]

That sounds like a 10/10 late stage capitalism life experience simulator tbh.

[@SkintSNIPER262]

@@milhousevanhoutan9235 You have no clue what capitalism is

[@bellissimo4520]

I went to the hangar deck to check out my ship. Crouched down so that I could crawl under my ship to inspect it from every angle. Only to get immediately stuck in the floor with the lower half of my body. Then a while later, with a different kind of ship, when I tried to enter the ship in some elevator, I was immediately killed. Also, on the starting space station, there were several NPCs either standing in a corner, staring at the wall, or T-posing on a chair... truly amazing technology!

[@dexagalapagos]

Been a backer for over 10 years now. Was in my late 20s when I first heard about it, am in my 40s now. At the rate they're going I'll be long dead before we get the promised 100 star systems.

[@markwood5153]

thats actually sad when put in that perspective, i was in my late teens, now early thirties edit: spelling

[@MagnusGuard]

wtf i didn't think about it like that i am 37 now and damn when i backed the game i was what 25-26 ? shiit

[@Soliye.]

Was 13 when I heard about it and got hyped. 21 now, the game is like an incomplete childhood memory in my head. While I hope to play it someday, I've grown to just not follow it's development or care little about new stuff CIG announces. Sad to think how successful it would have been if it had released with only the things they promised 5+ years ago...

[@ch3cksund3ad]

play Starfield and call it bro, Im so sorry

[@Ravensbite]

At least theres Starfield that'll hopefully scratch that itch for ya. Sorry to hear about that.

[@MrBothandNether]

over a decade in and still missing key alpha features _but the store worx flawlessly_

[@xsubi456]

even the store doesn't work flawlessly ...

[@mikoto7693]

I felt that way about Fallout 76 when it was new.

[@ch3cksund3ad]

@@xsubi456 it works far better than the game I never experienced a bug or crash there lol

[@sigma_04]

which key alpha features are that, exactly?

[@FlakAttack0]

Adding the ship recall timers while people are still regularly getting sucked into space or spontaneously exploding? Yeah that makes sense and won't get in the way of playing the game at all.

[@mugthemagpie3001]

Because you mentioned Freelancer: Chris Roberts was actually removed from the lead of the game due to the fact the game started costing more and more money. Star Citizen is basically what if Microsoft never intervened in case of Freelancer.

[@jaydee6347]

Are they just getting away with this ? Great vidéo but this not 1 failure it's a scam 101

[@vtubersubs3803]

@@jaydee6347Exactly. They're making more money on the cultists buying expensive ship packages that supposedly won't exist once the game is finished and they don't need any more """pledges""". They have a MASSIVE financial incentive to keep stringing people along for as long as the money keeps coming in.

[@elkneto4334]

CR has a history of fucking projects up

[@crayvd8229]

Star Citizen is what you get if George R.R Martin, Elon Musk, and Todd Howard all came together and decided to make a video game. George will spend decades finishing his portion, Elon won’t stop adding features, and Todd just manipulates us into believing his sweet little lies.

[@craig5340]

only issue is that it would not have the bugs if elon did it. (it be playable)

[@braintexx3581]

@@craig5340 say that to the tesla declaring war on a random chinese lady 💀

[@Homiloko2]

@@craig5340 Say that to his underground car tunnel, his spaceship, his mars colony, his dancing robot, his cybertruck, his vacuum bullet train, etc? The truth is that Elon knows how to hype things up but 99% of the time he never delivers lol. He promised Tesla FSD was fully working in 2016 and could drive itself from New York to California, but it's now 7 years later and they're still in beta fixing bugs. And you really believe he'll take people to Mars??!

[@theod4660]

@@Homiloko2 To this day I still don’t understand what problem the tunnel for cars was supposed to fix. It’s the same as adding a traffic lane, just more expensive. Is building a train track so hard in the USA?

[@Homiloko2]

@@theod4660 I think he was trying to invent the metro, but with a rich person's mindset who hates public transport, making it many times more dangerous and inefficient.

[@ashkebora7262]

I love the _"In Stock"_ on the storefront... as if digital assets have actual copy limits...

[@YourOtherSock]

Well to be fair, when you're a good game that has actually released, as well as are beloved by fans it's possible. FF14 had to actually stop selling digital copies a for a bit because they were getting too many new players and some servers had to be updated/upgraded to accommodate the huge increase. Shit was wild

[@ashkebora7262]

@@YourOtherSock Yes, but that is a services issue, not an availability of the digital asset issue. This game selling a ship for $100 bucks is not comparable to FF14 having to stop selling _actual game copies_ due to server capacity issues. Completely and wholly different. One is nothing but capitalism being the joke that it is. The other is a capacity issue.

[@bamboozled8955]

I think they did it on purpose to be quirky or smt

[@Nightshade31401]

​@@ashkebora7262 Sounds like you're not a fan of free market.

[@ashkebora7262]

@@Nightshade31401 Not in the strict sense, no. I think some things shouldn't be commodified. In the realm of entertainment, though, I don't really care. Capitalist it up (one of many downsides to a free market). I'll still make fun of blatantly greedy sobs. They shouldn't be able to advertise falsely or profiteer, though. As much as various industries have been pushing those boundaries over the years...

[@ArDeeMee]

They should just declare Star Citizen a live-service game, because that’s what it already is.

[@boink666]

If it's in the service of crashing and never being done...sure!

[@ShoanQuebecCoD]

It’s easier to avoid backlash when a alpha is a laggy mess compared to a live game

[@watermelon58]

Needs to be a lot more stable than it is, there is genuinely some fantastic aspect to the game but dear god is it an uphill battle to get it to behave as intended.

[@EndGameEnt]

They make more money lying about that. 😅

[@watertrooper]

Correction life-service game.

[@petrawojciecha6314]

In a strange way, I feel like Hello Game's latest project, Light No Fire, is some sort of slap in the face of the whole SC concept: - Stick to one planet, - Make it fun, - Make it engaging, - Make a completed game*, (*even though you still plan to add content).

[@Benzinilinguine]

I would take anything Hello Games says with a grain of salt after... ...the event...

[@OmegaEnvych]

let's hope that they learned their lesson and will release game when it's done and not when, well, alpha is more or less working.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

People like you literally said the exact same thing about Starfield before its release. Why do people not learn from history? Wait until Light No Fire is out before saying "it's a slap in the face to CIG" when every time people have said this they have been proven wrong.

[@fiesbert5677]

Your mistake is thinking its a game. It is a game development investor roleplaying experience. You can watch your money being drained while there is no progress on the project you invested in. Seeing this roleplay project for what it is, it is a unique masterpiece

[@ceestone1]

yOu actually get it it's nothing but a glorified demo and nothing else

[@fiesbert5677]

@@ceestone1 It would even be a shit tech demo. Its not even that

[@GomulDart]

There is progress though....

[@Jamie-ul6ww]

I don't really understand how you can NOT see the progress - Yes it's buggy, yes the communication is poor. But from a single space station you could barely exist in, to an entire solar system, several cities, and many different types of gameplay loops. No progress tho right?

[@ceestone1]

@@Jamie-ul6ww Nope

[@ctrlcf]

Star Citizen is the epitome of “perfect is the enemy of the good”

[@oskariKN25]

and Publishers are the enemy of perfect. Star Citizen doesnt have a publisher team sadly so it will stay like this perfectionist mess for a whiiile.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

And SC Critics are the definition of a Cult/ Circle Jerk

[@WhiteGinger10000]

@@Uncanny_Mountain No game is really safe from criticism. Especially if it is warranted. People have the right to feel how they want about Star Citizen.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

@@WhiteGinger10000 so tell me the Dev stats for any other game, if none are above criticism, (even when those criticisms were fabricated out of whole cloth)

[@ileutur6863]

​@@Uncanny_Mountain Dev stats? Why are dev stats more important than actual finishes projects? Star citizen copium

[@nathanb7166]

This whole thing would make a great front end for a entire money laundering system.

[@killerkitten7534]

I’m genuinely convinced given how much they’re making that this is just a money laundering scheme. They’re doing just enough development to look “legitimate”

[@johnwinters2815]

I'm not surprised if that's what it is. I feel similarly about James Cameron's Avatar franchise.

[@pandapancakes37]

​@John Winters lol😂 that would actually make sense and explain the 35 planned future movies.

[@johnwinters2815]

@@pandapancakes37 And why it took over ten years to make just one (of at least four) sequels).

[@zeroneutral]

Yeah a taxable business is totally the best way to launder money.... Do you hear yourself?

[@piotr7805]

I really wish to know the ending of Star Citizen's story. Is it going to be remembered as the biggest crowd-funding scam in history? Or maybe it is going to be the most revolutionizing game made to this point? Can't believe the coin is still in the air after DECADE!

[@TempoLOOKING]

Ouya

[@mastershep11n74]

It won't be a scam. after the last citizencon, what they showed is crazy. Honestly they should just release it after squadron 42 and a LOT of bug fixes, and then do updates forever to add everything. Once they do its either gonna be good or bad, but it will be a game to play that does exactly what it said it would, and then they can add things to it.

[@FishteStank]

I mean a scam implies a malicious intent. Either way there is a LOT of work going into for a scam. People need to chill out and just not buy into it if they don't want to support development. Super super easy solution.

[@jerm70]

​@@FishteStankIt is a scam though. Like it or not the game isn't released yet not on the basis of actual development time but that Star Citizen will make less money on launch than it ever has since the game cannot justify its MTX after it launches. Customers have been scammed into funding a cash shop that has had its heyday. If Chris thought he had a year left of this grIft the game would be delayed further.

[@leoferwer1813]

It will be the biggest retro game ever made when it is finally done in 200 years...

[@Ecselsiour]

There's always a chance it will be done; maybe when the AI jobpocalypse hits, a 90 year old Chris can replace his private island workforce with a couple super computers and an AI - then when a full planet and everything on it gets done per day, our great grandkids might finally live the dream of being a space plumber, working for the descendants of those who inherited all cruise liners and battleships.

[@zazzyboy8592]

I’d love for this to happen but I think he already can access an AI like that but he won’t because he wants to keep raking in money

[@murdercide4967]

I'm high too

[@LibertarianGalt]

Hahahaha it will never be finished. Endless goalpost moving will see the game bankrupt the company before they get close to releasing 😂😂😂

[@zazzyboy8592]

@@LibertarianGalt they are nowhere near bankrupt. His original goal for kickstarter was 500k. He’s at over 1000x that now

[@LibertarianGalt]

@@zazzyboy8592 so? Wheres the original game he promoted?

[@StayAtHomeAstronaut]

Thank you Chris Roberts and CIG for single-handedly keeping the UK financially above water.

[@jotunheim5302]

CIG is based in the US ....

[@alexmcclay8152]

@@jotunheim5302 They have 5 studios around the world and purchased a massive office in Manchester, so they are definitely stimulating the economy over there.

[@StayAtHomeAstronaut]

@@jotunheim5302 They are a global developer. As you said they're headquartered in the US in Los Angeles but have teams throughout North America and Europe. Among these they have a 1000 person capacity studio in Manchester, UK. It was mainly a hyperbolic joke about it being one of the few things making money in my country.

[@jotunheim5302]

@@StayAtHomeAstronaut I'm from the UK as well and yeah we need all the money makers we can get here.

[@EnderPearlRs]

​@@jotunheim5302 You have a license for sharing that opinion, mate?

[@j4yd34d5]

The word “scam” has been banned in their twitch channel for years, make of that what you will…. 😂

[@Jo_Rogan]

scam citizen

[@actioncat5333]

Fraud citizen

[@profitabundance70707]

Nuff said.

[@Chevifier]

From the perspective of a honest game developer I wouldnt want scam to be associated with my game, Not saying theyre an honest game developer😂

[@aweirdwombat]

​​@@Chevifier I think the point is the fact "scam" gets mentioned so much in the chat they feel the need to ban it. Most games don't have that issue.

[@IrisCorven]

The feature creep vs performance is... Insane. There are people with 4090's and 64gb's of ram struggling to run the game. Meanwhile, this was a game that was announced OVER A DECADE AGO.

[@memeboy8207]

Imagine using anything higher than 1080p

[@TheAngryOnion]

I mean, I was using a 10 year old i7 and 1080ti and running it just fine, if they are running a 4090 and failing to run the game, at that point its on them

[@officerjohns9554]

@@TheAngryOnion yeah, its either a bottleneck issue, or they havent played longer than 15 min to let the shader caches to load

[@metadata4255]

are you insinuating this game requires 15 minutes of playtime to start running properly@@officerjohns9554

[@metadata4255]

I have a laptop with a 150W 3070 Ti and an AMD 6800h, I can run Exodus Enhanced at max settings (GLOBAL ILLUMINATION RAY TRACING FFS) 1600p at >60fps. Star Citizen runs like shit. I wonder what bottleneck I have that your 10 year old build doesn't@@TheAngryOnion

[@SeniorSmellyPants]

I feel like i should stop what I'm doing, go back to school, get 10 years of AAA game dev experience, and then get a job at Cloud Imperium Games and work on Star Citizen.

[@ozordiprince9405]

Go for it man. It's not like they're gonna complete the game before you get the chance to do all that stuff. There's some good money in it and a nob existent deadline for the game

[@RusticRonnie]

When you are on it you can make yandare simulator

[@stopicantaim6920]

Bro I already have my intern ship lined up I start work next week at CIG ill probably never have to look for another job

[@SeniorSmellyPants]

@@stopicantaim6920 you'll be a vet by the time I get there. Can't wait to hear your war stories about the years you spent on making the in ship coffee machines perfect.

[@stopicantaim6920]

@@SeniorSmellyPants When I was in college I interview one of the members on the ship team for my class that man spent 4 months animating doors for ships. God I hope I get the coffee machine

[@anony88]

So glad I never gave a dime to these people. Being given $600m+ and still not able to make a game is beyond ridiculous.

[@anonony9081]

It's still better than what we get from most AAA studios who release games clearly unfinished while hacking out content just to sell it back as DLC. At least the people who put money into star citizen did so knowing it was going to take a long time and there was no guarantee of a "finished product"

[@xx_amongus_xx6987]

Money doesn't make game development any faster

[@DayspringDetectiveAgency]

@@anonony9081 I'm not sure I follow your logic. What you're saying is that throwing 600 million dollars into a void is better than paying zero dollars for an unfinished game to hit the market is better because...you weren't promised a product? Is that right?

[@whenallelsfails21]

​@@anonony9081 that makes zero sense.

[@zeektm1762]

I am currently playing this “game”. It is unfinished but enjoyable. The performance side of things has also been a significant improvement since COVID. The amount of people working on this game is commendable. If you do not think that they are using the money effectively, I invite you to look at their financial reports. One thing I will give you is that the scope of the game has increased since the initial pledge in 2012. I think this soured relations with the original playerbase. Since 2017-2018 though the game has mostly been on the same track. For the record, I am not saying that the development of AAA games SHOULD be like this, but I also don’t think this game is a scam or a “failure. The player base has been growing significantly.

[@LoveHandle4890]

Sometimes the smartest thing you can do is give up.

[@vaztak4659]

Not really more respect comes from not giving up and restarting when nothing works out

[@joshucamereeno8155]

@@vaztak4659 lol. Lmao. What’s the definition of insanity again brother?

[@chilbiyito]

​@@vaztak4659 other people have delivered more with less money in less time

[@Zeropointill]

I've got a ship or something in that game like 10 years ago and I still haven't even tried it yet.

[@frogfarmer3551]

As a former RuneScape player, I agree 100%

[@guderheinz]

The only shocking thing here is that there are still any people out there who after all this time are willing to spend any amount of money on this scam.

[@silver4831]

Some literally pay a subscription.

[@guderheinz]

@@silver4831 To me charging a subscription for this scam should be criminal. And those who pay it are too gullible to live independently, I think.

[@superzac]

@@guderheinz maybe try the game before calling it a scam

[@guderheinz]

@@superzac Yeah, sure, buy into a scam before you go calling it a scam. Brilliant idea.

[@kion1519]

The only real money you pay, is when you’re buying the game. Any more spent and that’s on you.

[@ValenceFlux]

I bought an Avenger for $40 just to check out this game. I crashed it and woke up in a hospital where I got lost trying to find the exit. Eventually I made my way out of the building to the transports. I figured I can figure this game out I'll give it a chance. When the gates to the transport opened I fell through the map some how. Great start. I tried to record the whole thing to upload but this game guzzled all my ram haha.

[@billywashere6965]

Sounds like maybe you didn't have it installed on an SSD. World data has to be streamed in real-time, and you need a VERY fast M2 or SSD to handle it otherwise, it doesn't stream in fast enough and you end up in the situation you just described.

[@ValenceFlux]

@@billywashere6965 Ok interesting and good to know. I had it installed on a Seagate Nytro 1351 SSD.

[@robertseymour1432]

@@ValenceFlux If you played recently, the free-fly event always messes the servers up. Wait until 19.1 comes out and see if it helps. I was lagging so much during free fly.

[@HarenunHoppus]

Get a refund under the 30 day window just in case

[@kvasir8931]

Sounds like youre just too poor to afford enough ram. Everything below 1TB of ram is pleb territory.

[@svenwagner4717]

Star Citizen is what happens when every idea coming up in a team meeting gets explored, from the ones of the lead producer to those of the janitor. Add to that the PTSD a creative had of past projects torturing him with deadlines and deciding to never have any for his future project and here we are at a bloated money/time sink of epic proportions

[@producerevan88]

please, the guys a scammer.

[@arandomcommenter412]

@@producerevan88 Okay, “Evan”

[@GamerLogicalArt]

oh come most janitors are probably saying how the fuck have you not finished this game yet.

[@thrackerzod6097]

Even if all of that is true, that doesn't explain this mess, this game has taken so long even if they implemented the ideas of an entire small town the thing should be long done by now with the funding it has. Over ambition is the least of the problems here, and I would argue with the state of the game, isn't a problem here since I see no ambition.

[@fallingintime]

​@@thrackerzod6097 feels like it has no direction really.

[@volundrfrey896]

It's crazy that a game can make over half a billion without ever releasing.

[@Mootkins]

Could be worse. You could be Beyond Good and Evil 2... At least Star Citizen is SOMEWHAT playable.

[@andrewryan2928]

Well it is in a playable state sooo

[@AnDr3w066]

@@Mootkins its not and its a scam

[@Mystic_Flex]

​@@andrewryan2928 Well we found the bozo who keeps giving money to a company who clearly doesn't care about their players

[@andrewryan2928]

@@Mystic_Flex here is the big difference Star citizen is actually good Blizzard, activision, EA, Square enix are not

[@therealmeasles7474]

I have never regretted my decision to avoid Star Citizen.

[@TempoLOOKING]

Pixle starships

[@anonsidious358]

Same I and I loved WC series and the Spin off Privateer Series. In fact watching what happened with it had made me decide never to pre order or pay for early access in games. Someone in this comment section said it may well be a money laundering op. how do you get a half a billion dollars, 10 years & not have a complete game at the least a good core game going while you crafting DLC? Within this time a game like No Mans Sky promised the moon failed then redeemed itself and is now cranking out free DLC updates and have a great game.

[@KnowledgeIncarnate]

​@anonsidious358 Robert's has always been astoundingly bad at managing things, this includes game dev. WC only came out because the publisher stepped in and put their foot down. Star Citizen is what happens when you give someone like that a blank check and no oversight. I think they might eventually release something playable, it might even be good. I just also think it would have released in half the time and budget if Robert's wasn't in charge of it. Right on with the pre-order/early access comment though. I'll only do that if the 'early access' build is a playable game in its own right like Starsector. Otherwise you're just spending money on an idea. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that, I backed The Mandate (RIP) because I wanted to see it made, but you're essentially throwing money into the wind.

[@annekedebruyn7797]

Same. Elite dangerous scratches that itch very well. I don't need super duper planets that feels like an empty single player game.

[@source7431]

i have never regretted my decision to buy star citizen. It's great to see how much fun i've had since buying it despite what everyone says. I'd say you're missin out, but then again, don't hate when you aint.

[@lootmaster1337]

so i can have a 2 week holiday or i can buy a digital ship in a video game, what a time to be alive

[@bitrunner2000]

you can have a 2 week holiday for $45 ??? 'cause that's how much a starter package costs...

[@alexlamar676]

@@bitrunner2000 and honestly this game wont be finished until they run out of money same thing that happened with freelancer

[@goopah]

@@bitrunner2000 Sure you can. Just make sure you have your rent and utilities pre-paid first, oh and a fridge full of food, then get your $45 starter pack, and proceed to spend two weeks rooted in front of your monitor. I meant that in jest, but you know, it might actually be less stressful than a RL vacation.

[@lootmaster1337]

@@bitrunner2000 i mean the 2000 buko one he posted in the video. For 45 i can't even survive on cup noodles thanks to inflation

[@rattapoomkotchapong1674]

Truly. we are all blessed with choices.

[@oicmorez4129]

The worst thing about it all is that the demo you played looked fun. If this game is finished in 2056, I'd probably really enjoy playing it.

[@zDemoGODz]

Lol considering how long pyro is taking to add, 2056 seems like wishful thinking. Every time something big is supposed to drop we get a delay, half-assed excuse and then a delay for the delay lmao.

[@donmega5202]

@@zDemoGODz The excuses for delays is because they didn't anticipate the growth of GPUs and the slow development of CPUs, as well as changes in graphical fidelity and rendering techniques (see the transition of streaming LODs to Nanite in current days). They're trying to keep up and it bit them in the ass for awhile.

[@zDemoGODz]

@@donmega5202 that sounds like the stupidest excuse ever. They didnt anticipate computers getting faster, so they are taking longer to make the game a laggy, buggy piece of unoptimised rubbish? I have a ryzen 7 5800 and a 3070, 32gb ram and im getting 50-70fps.

[@donmega5202]

@@zDemoGODz You don't get game development. You're a consumer, not a developer. I develop games and from my standpoint they made a mistake by assuming CPUs could handle their lack of poly culling. Thing is, current day CPUs cannot and will not. The game has a lot of draw call issues that also need to be resolved, something that was very common ten years ago. Yeah, mismanagement lent to the game taking this long to get anywhere but I've seen more action recently than I've ever seen in this game's development.

[@mbg4681]

@@donmega5202 >> You don't get game development. Ah yes, the mating call of the Star Citizen zealot. I haven't heard it in _minutes._ >> You're a consumer, not a developer. I develop games and from my standpoint they made a mistake by assuming CPUs could handle their lack of poly culling. They made a mistake by not releasing SC in 2014 like they were overprepaid to. >> Thing is, current day CPUs cannot and will not. The game has a lot of draw call issues that also need to be resolved, something that was very common ten years ago. SC is basically Elite Dangerous + BF2042. It contains precisely NO unprecedented features. The only reason it underperforms is that it is poorly managed. >> Yeah, mismanagement lent to the game taking this long to get anywhere but I've seen more action recently than I've ever seen in this game's development. Yeah, we saw object persistence bring SC to its knees. I guess I can't blame them for never releasing the game; they're clearly incompetent.

[@sephiroth668]

The one time I tried playing this game was a few years ago, I tried one of their free play events and jumped in to the game. The immersion is definitely up there among some of the better immersive experiences I have partaken of, but after an hour of running around like a chicken with my head cut off in the hub world I spawned in, I couldn't figure out how to feed and water my avatar and soon died of thirst and starvation. I did find restaurants, but couldn't figure out how to actually get them to allow me to place an order.

[@itsnoburu]

The way you do it you hold F and interact with the food. Just look at it while holding F and click on the Buy option.... just don't forget to take your helmet off LOL And put it back in after you're done, so you don't EVA out of your ship in the middle of the void and die without oxygen AHAH Many such cases.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Best played with friends, or ask for a guide on the global chat

[@butsargeee]

@@Uncanny_Mountain everything is best played with friends

[@MrRoblcopter]

Why didn't you just ask for help lol, there's a lot of helpful people in there.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

@@butsargeee what I said obviously triggered you that you had to virtue signal with a strawman A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man". It's literally all your cult has As I've continued to prove, time and time and time again 😂

[@ChaosSkye]

I remember saying this game will never get a full release and will be in perpetual alpha as long as people keep throwing money at it. I said that FIVE years ago. Money keeps pouring, no deadlines, no bosses to answer to, and no accountability. What could go wrong?

[@rustyshackleford234]

Imagine buying a SINGLE SHIP for 2,000$. That’s how much I bought my car for.

[@billywashere6965]

I mean, some people buy paintings for a lot more than that... Some people buy furniture for a lot more than that, which they don't even sit on.... What exactly is your point? Some people spend disposable income on things they like that other people may not like?

[@benneb4113]

At least they have those things.

[@Mootkins]

The $2000 ships are your cruiser/carrier ships where they can crew 15+ people. While one person can dump $2000 on a ship, it's more meant to appeal for organizations with everyone chipping a little in. A solo player can play just fine in a $60 ship.

[@Eric-mc1jf]

@@billywashere6965 they dont drop $2000 for a concept of a couch that could possibly exist

[@rustyshackleford234]

@@billywashere6965 I’m frugal lmao

[@tylereyman5290]

With how long it's taking them to develop this game, my star citizen account is going to end up being a family heirloom passed down for generations to come.

[@Gafferman]

You can literally play it right now.

[@tylereyman5290]

@Gerlaffy what makes you think I don't play it.

[@Gafferman]

@@tylereyman5290 that you seem to suggest your account needs to be passed down generations as if it still won't have been used...

[@uliseto]

Or sell it in the grey market

[@okctrl]

@@Gafferman ur delusional.

[@SoulReaverVidView]

I haven't given them any money, but I have been following this game since it was announced. Turned from a hope for a great game, to eating popcorn and watching the dumpster fire, to wow this is just sad now.

[@zoranhome]

best description

[@JaniceHope]

That's exactly why thought. I would probably love to play the single-player game but I don't like MMOs so I watched what happened.... and it's... not good. *laughs*

[@michael15637]

Same.

[@sokar_rostau]

I'm in the same position as you. If you want to see how sad Star Citizen really is, go and drop $20 on Spacebourne 2. Aside from being single-player, this Early Access Alpha release already has most of the stuff SC promised a decade ago AND IT WAS ALL MADE BY ONE GUY without half a billion dollars in funding.

[@kalackninja]

i remember getting in arguments with people more than a decade ago about how graphics aren't everything and having a fun game without bugs was always a better alternative while being screeched down with the statement "look at how many polygons the pilot has" as if that's going to make the space sim any better. 11 years later we have no star citizen even though it got 500 million and starsector is developed by a handful of people and does a lot of things citizen pretended it was going to do. To bad the lack of polygons made building an empire using illegal alpha ai cores just an awful and unfun experience.

[@ThrobbGoblin]

Thank god someone with actual reach is making a video about the absolute state of this game. I've been obsessed with this for years, drooling over what the game "is going to be around the corner", and the devs know that this is the fanbase's mentality. They'll never hit 1.0 with this game, they make more money off of the *promise* of 1.0. "This will be the best game ever made one day, just stick with us and someday you'll see!" It's a lot easier to make money off of an amazing promise than it is to make money off of an amazing game.

[@AtomicPiggly]

Brother...People with BIGGER numbers than Muta have made a million videos about this dumpster fire scam. Almost yearly. Not sure what your on about lmfao. And every time people call out this game, people still fund it. At the end of the day, it's still better then starfield.

[@jovhonokamoto9397]

@@AtomicPiggly You just compared a Space sim to a RPG set in space... yikes. Two different games, idiotic comparison.. games like no mans sky and elite dangerous are actual comparisons.

[@xavi_]

Cyberpunk 2077 launch flashbacks.. Atleast the game is amazing now

[@SamaelMoneyStein]

You're sad.

[@crispy9175]

​@@jovhonokamoto9397because SC is a better space RPG in it's current state than Star-loading screen- field.

[@zariavalkirian3569]

Im 28 now and i remember me and my friends being hyped about this back in high school. Now most of us are too old to even have time to play a game like this. When you have a full time job or a family, we don't exactly have time to have a second life in star citizen anymore. The development of this game is taking so long that we will probably never play this game together. We had plenty of free time to play this game together back then but now we have obligations. Its very sad.

[@thatlonzoguy]

29 here, sucks don't it

[@liselotteline8596]

Some backers probably died waiting for this game.

[@liselotteline8596]

​@Yuck Foutube I scrolled to some comments below and someone wrote, that they wanted to play the game with their friend, but their friend passed. Someone answered that their health declined and that they probably won't be alive if the game would ever be fully released. It's just sad.

[@batman_2004]

69 here. I agree.

[@damiresq]

Kinda my story, when i first saw that cgi cyberpunk clip released, i never though my future wife will buy the game for my birthday 😂

[@Spumoon]

What I'll say in CIG's defense is they do a metaverse much more effectively than Meta. You actually feel the tedium of living, rather than existing as a cartoon torso.

[@citizenerased7214]

Lol

[@craniumssuperburger7749]

This youtube comment is realer than my Credit Score.

[@Bootchair]

Still have yet to see people standing on chairs exclusively at a fast food restaurant in real life

[@arandomcommenter412]

@@Bootchair Happens all the time for me, you must live in a bad part of town.

[@davellii6309]

Real, my first 50 hours exploring and discovering shit was an absolute blast. For the little amount of content it has, its incredibly immersive (as long as you dont encounter one of many bugs). After 50 hours you realize how tedious and broken it is, alt f4, test out the next patch for a couple hours, repeat.

[@myroc1]

SC is like a Mushroom trip. 50/50 could be a horrifying experience or a blast, It will be difficult to do simple tasks, each session is a guaranteed six hour commitment, and it isn't habit forming no matter how addicting it feels at times.

[@Jasonmakesvideo]

😂 excellent analogy!

[@severalwolves]

yeah but the mushroom trip is only gonna cost you like $20, maybe $30, not ~$1,250 (depending on how many sci-fi pictures you want to look at)

[@atraxisdarkstar]

@@severalwolves You can get a starter package for like $45. If they didn't reset the game world so often, it would actually be pointless to buy ships with money.

[@SnowTerebi]

@@severalwolves 😂 People still believe this bs?

[@zDemoGODz]

I keep telling people, star citizen is not about the game or gameplay. Its about the friends and experiences you make along the way. Given most of those experiences were caused by bugs and us trying to "defeat" the bugs by finding workarounds.

[@hot_soup4319]

I love the comments like "Good things take time." Like, my man, it has been 10 years and it's still in Alpha. How much longer do you want to wait? Here's some perspective, Starfield comes out in less than a month, it took $200 million with about 500+ people. Star Citizen has a team of 600+ people and has made a total of $500 million dollars toward development and they haven't made it out of Alpha yet. Sure one is an MMO with a whole universe and the other is a Singleplayer game spanning only 1000 planets, but c'mon man stop smoking the copium and just admit you're a victim of the Sunk-Cost Fallacy. Let it go, be free.

[@dirtyshinobii]

It costs way more then $200 million, more around $600 million mark.. if you factor in all the wages, contractors, ect ect 200 million only buys you about 2-3 years of development

[@MasterCode86]

At this point, star citizen backers should be able to deduct their payments to star citizen as tax deductibles, this is just charity at this point. Also for those curious, the most expensive ship in star citizen to the posting of this video is the javelin and it cost 3,000 USD

[@jfarrar19]

Honestly I'm just waiting for a star citizen ship to cost more than an actual plane.

[@dorugoramon0518]

@@jfarrar19 In the future when man has colonized space, some archaeologists will dig up a PC with star citizen on it, boot it up, and then wonder why the heck people were paying so much for 3d models of spaceships that are sold used for about 50 spacebucks

[@griknott]

I honestly hope they hit a billion for shits and giggles at this point

[@galliumgames3962]

They probably will Q2 or Q3 in 2024, not even that long from now. It’s already far more than either avatar movie, which is an insane amount of money.

[@qzy-179SanTzxkW]

​@@galliumgames3962almost as much as both combined(budget to make, market AND release)

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

@@galliumgames3962 GTA6 is over 2 billion, Destiny Halo and Anthem all cost 500 mill SC and 42 are 2 games, plus the modes, so more like 250 million each, same cost as GTA5 which took 5 years SC has taken 7 But go on, expert

[@juh9870_projects]

@@Uncanny_Mountain But GTA5 was actually delivered. You are throwing argument around about other AAA titles, and considering rate of income, they will really hit that billion in 2024, and two billions one or two more years down the line, and something tells me that game is not even close to be released in that timeframe

[@devastatingrpg2075]

@@juh9870_projects and the company for those aaa games got the money from users buying other much more playable games gta5 etc. Not people "pledging" ridiculous amounts for the concepts of ships and such

[@forrandomsites3336]

Star citizen is basically a live service tech demo at this point.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

What projects are you comparing to? Please give examples I'll wait 😂😂😂😂

[@blueshky]

@@Uncanny_Mountain hey how much money have you given them? jk you work for em.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

@@blueshky A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man". I've noticed that's all you parrots have 🐦

[@johndor7793]

@@Uncanny_Mountain You're paying for a game that'll be swamped with bugs for probably a literal decade.

[@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

​​​​@@johndor7793 Pay no mind to that window licker. He literally sucks CIG off in any video he can find.

[@jamesclark7380]

We might actually colonize distant stars for a lower budget before this thing is finished.

[@CursedStudio]

As a frequent player of star citizen I heard the word 30K and I shivered in fear For context a Code 30000 is a server wide crash when the Server FPS hit's Zero you might be running at 60 but the server itself being persistent will have it's own FPS FreeFly events which Muta was in are typically the buggiest times of the year with 30K's Crashes to desktop etc etc and I laughed when he mentioned the kraken.. I know people who have coughed up the 2200 USD

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

There are about 12 to 14 major ships in the backlog, most of them need multiple systems before they can justify their size and role in the verse. Apollo Orion Liberator Crucible Railen Odyssey BMM There are also about the same number of major features: Water / Weather Fire / extinguishers Pushpull / Bounty animations Engineering* Flight surfaces / driving rework Scanning / E warfare Maps / QT / markers Habs / Hangers / Roads* Munition / Armor Orbits/ Seasons As well as reworking four or five ships like the 600i, Caterpillar, modules etc We also know most of these mechanics* (not ships) will come with 3.20 By the time 42 is ready to launch we should already have Pyro and Nyx, bringing the total number of systems to 5 or 6. They will also have around 1400 staff, and the resources to focus on bringing all ships up to the current standards with the relevant mechanics and features, as well as assemble larger teams to focus on legacy ships that remain like the Galaxy, Perseus, Polaris and Nautilus

[@CursedStudio]

@@Uncanny_Mountain Absolute fact. You did forget the merchantman but some of those things you said I agree with 100% I did hear that weather will come soon bringing things like Thunderstorms on Hurston and Sandstorms on Daymar which as you said "most of these mechanics* (not ships) will come with 3.20 " When 42 Comes out we possibly will get all the other systems in the verse' like Sol Proxima Centari So on so forth as those systems were made in the earlier days of SQ42 which SQ42 is getting pretty close to the end I think they just need all of the Persistence online

[@benson4820]

I just met someone yesterday in game who has spent over 20,000 dollars on the game

[@CursedStudio]

@@benson4820 Rookie numbers lol.. but for real I know a few people who have spent about 45K.. People are maniacs lol

[@eduardoborges506]

The thing is, you cant defend having such a long dev cycle. Eventualy all the code that was writen 10 years ago will become unbarely outdated and need fixing. This game hasnt released and prob alreayd has a ton of spagheti code.

[@fingmoron]

Bro I actually can't imagine how unreadable it all is, imagine hiring a bunch of fresh outta uni plebs who just spend a year producing a bunch of disorganised gibberish and then are replaced by the next schmuck.

[@Akkbar21]

It’s mismanaged and near, But not a scam

[@ChrisDelChris]

Nothing screws with a developer’s brain more than making them look at their own old code. It’s a cataclysm of embarrassment, confusion, and frustration.

[@Akkbar21]

@@ChrisDelChris it shouldn’t be always. Up your discipline then.

[@spinnenente]

code is not milk. A lot of modern programs run on 30+ year code still doing important jobs. The issue here is mismanagement and scope as well as feature creep increasing the workload to infinity. They didn't even manage to release a second star system and they announced it years ago. This continual fractal of new features also requires rework of older features and a lot debugging so that the progress is almost immensurably slow.

[@_Jay_Maker_]

I also have enjoyed some time with this game, and you know what it feels like? It feels like a game in eternal creative limbo. A game developed by a group of people who are constrained by an overwhelming need for uniqueness while misunderstanding most people's expectations of modern development timeframes. The game will never be "finished." It might hit a 1.00 at some point in our lifetimes - maybe - but it's just as likely to remain in the state it's in now, with updates as they happen, questionable decisions and bugs, bugs, bugs. It might be "fun" sometimes, but it will never "belong" to the people who play it. Edit: If you want to play a space game that's basically totally in your control, with a huge learning curve, but potential for lots of satisfaction, just play X4. It's an acquired taste, but a damn good one. If you've ever played any of the prior "X" games, forget your time with those and just play X4. X4 is a total improvement, despite its typical Egosoft jank.

[@SluggedNugg]

I second X4, it's a intuitive and indepth game, but I heavily advise people against playing it because of that. The learning curve is too much for people who don't have the time to dedicate a week learning the basics.

[@abdiganiaden]

It’s only a creative limbo to those that spent real money on it. Having ships bought with in game money taken away here and there is simply ridiculous and designed to take in real money eventually, rinse repeat and call it alpha forever.

[@barrett-si4zq]

I hope they don't get about dime looking at several hundred dollar spaceships they're selling.

[@lionelwhiskerknot]

I'm hoping the game goes under but someone buys all the assets and rereleases the game as a space simulation only with all the garbage like first person shooting and tedious chore work cut out.

[@auru1325]

I would reccomend EVE online as well

[@MrChadLedford]

I can't believe people pay those prices for digital ships in a game. Wtf....

[@bonbonjovi4836]

Those are the same people who will work a 9 to 5 their entire life.

[@arianasnowvr6038]

i paid 40$ and got every ship now cause of ingame purchases you can earn currency and buy the ships you want so you really only need 1 ship bought and the others are obtainable with in game currencies

[@Wanelmask]

​@@arianasnowvr6038yeah, until the next wipe.

[@leviticusprime4904]

@@Wanelmasksunken cost

[@arianasnowvr6038]

@@Wanelmask started very late in the wipe and im saying i already got every ship its easy to do early after wipe and get your stuff back should only take 3 or 4 days to get done rep would take longer obviously but you can have the ships back in about 3 or 4 days if you spend those days right

[@SgtAwesome97]

Everything you just said mirrors my thoughts perfectly. I truly want this game to succeed. But right now, it's a glorified tech demo disguised as a "game". For something that's been in development for literally more than half my life on this earth, I expected so much more, but all i got was immense disappointment.

[@pommespeter420]

At your age you have no right to an opinion. Apparently you have never owned or even played Star Citizen if this reasonably ''good'' video, which you definitely have to see ironically in some places, meets your expectations. 3.19 ran fantastic up to the free flight event and that with the background that we got a new database with 3.18 (Hugh tech update). So much has happened in SC in the last year and so many new things have happened. 90% of the comments under the video as well as your comment give a completely wrong picture which corresponds to a development state of probably 2017-2019. And I quote ''I expected so much more, but all I got was immense disappointment'' FYI Chris started with 6 or 7 people and has opened several studios over the years, employs over 800 people and produces 2 colloquially Triple A titles . So to speak, in the last 10 years, which in your eyes have only produced disappointment, CIG has developed into a huge company. And again you kid, with your probably not even 18 years, have experienced NOTHING of the world or how long processes just take! In Germany we say ''If you have no idea, then STFU!'' We already have enough rubbish titles like cod BF etc. so why add another one? I'd rather wait another 5 years or more and in return I get what no one else can even begin to deliver.

[@via_negativa6183]

I gave up on this game years ago in disgust when they started selling ships aggressively, after being an original backer. Recently I came back to check it out, since i was curious. I have to say I have had some fun with it, but it's laughably buggy and I don't see it leaving pre alpha any time soon. When it works it's fun. But it often doesnt work at all. I've had the wings of my ship blow off upon leaving the hanger for no apparent reason. The NPC's stand around the map in every outpost in t poses. The game frequently loses connection to the server where you have to make an insurance claim and wait 15 minutes to get your ship back and prey the computers work. I've logged out on my ship with an inventory full of gear only to come back and find myself naked back at the home planet. When it works it's kinda fun.... it just doenst work very often and I cant see this changing any time soon. Ultimately its the garbage Ptw elements they hid during the campaign is whats pushed me away. Yet theres hordes of people who will defend this to their dying breath and keep throwing money at it ... SIMP Citizen.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Well it's been 7 years, same as Starfield. Rust took 8 RDR2 9 And Cyberpunk 10 It's also TWO games, so $250 million each, RDR2 spent $350 million on advertising alone. RDR2 and Cyberpunk also had ten times the staff, and legacy code in an established Studio What SC has done with so few staff and in such a short time is unprecedented in gaming history. Of course you can disagree, but you can't tell me the Dev stats for Starfield, or any other comparable title, because no other Studio releases them.

[@themercilessss]

​@@Uncanny_Mountain How is any of that relevant to anything he said? Copypasting this everywhere doesn't prove anything.

[@miked7728]

The saddest part is that if this game doesn't get released, another game like it is very unlikely to ever come out. The publisher-less nature of developing "niche" games like this one is a double edged sword.

[@sc2sc286]

Actually there have already been other attempts to make a game like this but they died.

[@cementbox4430]

@@sc2sc286 EVE Online is kinda the same but way too different.

[@sc2sc286]

@@cementbox4430 I was actually thinking of starbase

[@djJaXx101]

I wonder how Starfield will compare.

[@satanspy]

@@djJaXx101 it wont.

[@RoastMePls]

Nailed it in the latter part of the video: Chris Roberts isn't accountable to anyone. The CEO of Coca-Cola isn't the owner of Coca-Cola. Tim Cook is the CEO of Apple but not the owner of it. There's investors, shareholders and boards of directors that can call out a CEOs bullshit, there's always someone the CEO has to answer to for any bad business decisions. Roberts is both owner and CEO with noone to hold him accountable. He's living his dream as head of a gaming studio, getting paid a CEOs salary, he's never finishing this game because there's no need to... He keeps promising, suckers keep paying him, then he promises some more and gets paid again. 600 million later and still a barely playable alpha to show for it... I kinda feel bad for the chumps that gave Roberts their money but then again, they had it coming.

[@Dracounguis]

Star Citizen is like Schrodinger's cat. It is a scam and not a scam at the same time. We won't know which one until the end and we open the box. 😉

[@Whiskeyagogo519]

Best answer

[@Virulent-wolf]

As someone who has a $21k account. Solid take my dude.

[@Valter_David]

Except we'll never get to open the box

[@theod4660]

So, we will never know

[@ereder1476]

since the grey market is the most complex and functionnal aspect of the product ... i think it goes into the scam category

[@l.palacio9076]

This game is gonna hangout until the point it becomes a true metaverse in VR like in 2050

[@wandereringshadow8658]

So it'll be dead and played by like 10 people?

[@Gawillamon]

This game will be released once everything that can be done in the game can be done in real life

[@zDemoGODz]

No this game is going to be "in development" until the transition to VR gaming is done and then just close down because of "lack of funding to transition into VR" . Mark my words. Even the user agreement has tons of obvious loop holes left in for them to close down without any refunds or repercussions.

[@kamikaze00007]

It's pretty clear they're never going to "finish" this game. Think about it. A few years more and they'll probably be announcing that they have to step up the graphics again or change engines "in order to keep up with modern standards". It's going to be an endless cat and mouse chase with this one. And then, the actual gameplay features just get drip-fed little-by-little.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question. Begging the question is also called arguing in a circle.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Meanwhile GTA6 cost over 2 billion, has been in development 15 years 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@l.palacio9076]

@@Uncanny_Mountain 🤓

[@Logan-zp8bi]

It reminds me of those adult Patreon games that have a free version and an updated patreon version. After an update you'll get the older patreon version if you play for free. But the trick is to hold out on updates as much as possible and avoid the 1.00 full release. Some of these games make 3,000$ month with one developer or artist.

[@sybslays2740]

​@Uncanny-yh8eh 1.68 billion and about 7 years of development idk where you got 15 years but that would mean gta 4 wasn't even a year old yet and they were working on 5 and eventually rdr2 wtf are you saying bro..

[@sqlevolicious]

3:25, yea that's what a "metaverse" actually is. SC didn't start as trying to be a metaverse, but it became one. 4:00 tbf, Space UPS is accurate, but there are tons of other RPs like pirate, bounty hunter, drug runner, combat EMS (medrunner), space trucking, and private military contractor (PvE or PvP). 4:40 30k is server degradation, happens to persistence servers, they have a lifespan. Not really anything new for games that use this technology, although usually the server change is seamless, but SC is made by idiots that can't move booted players to a new shard when that happens, so instead oyu get thrown back to the main menu. 5:10 That's the appeal to games like this, it's supposed to be a sim, not a "press button so that the game does it for you" game. You are supposed to feel like you are actually living in this game. No doubt that bathroom-use gameplay is coming, the bathrooms already have a ton of interaction on the ships and the living spaces. Think SCUM, but with better graphics, lol. This is more of a serious feature than you think, and definitely is what brings people to the game. I think it's best to describe SC to a casual peasant-box gamer as a "hardcore sim". There are no hardcore sim games on consoles, so it's still probably difficult to explain without going full turbo nerd and end up saying that it takes years to get into these games and figure out how to actually sufficiently play them. But it's like having more controls and time to play than any casual gamer could understand. Which is why the game is built around no-lifer rich nerds that want a space metaverse. There really isn't anything else like SC though, which is where the appeal comes in. No game has this size and scope, the massive tens of thousands of dollars in costs for ships, the time sink of hundreds to thousands of hours trying to make enough money to afford anything in-game, the serious RP that actually works really well with more casual players, and of course the performance requirements that mean you'll need a top shelf PC to run this game at 30fps. Don't forget the network persistence, complex collision (that kills you more often than works), and plethora of gamebreaking bugs. A lot of people can't even figure out how to buy and install the game and when they finally figure it out, the game is so broken that they can't play it anyways. The cult behavior you reference at 26:00 is absolutely true. CGI has gaslit and scammed their market so much that avid players are in total denial about the game's state and the larger picture in what you actually get out of this game.

[@CrimsonFIame]

Really shows how easy it is to exploit gamers. No wonder Activision/Blizzard gets away with so much

[@rusi6219]

A community of thirty year olds still playing games is immature? Shocking, never would think that to be the case.

[@shinski8114]

100 percent. So many suckers in this world

[@4badlisting650]

@@captainultraswagga 🤣 lmao tf?

[@matthewjones39]

What even are these top two replies?

[@Murasame13]

@@captainultraswagga That's like calling yourself a skater or a dancer if you skate or dance. It doesn't mean shit? Wtf are you on about?

[@Relativity404]

People will defend this game to their dying breath, but it feels more like you're paying for an expression of one man's dream rather a game that will ever be finished

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

[@Relativity404]

@@Uncanny_Mountain 10+ years of development, 500 million spent so far, with no end in sight or anything even approximating it. You're paying for a dream, not a game. Wake up

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

@@Relativity404 yes I'm very familiar with your copypasta memes that you can't back up with evidence But it's been 7 years, same as Starfield. Rust took 8 RDR2 9 And Cyberpunk 10 It's also TWO games, so $250 million each, RDR2 spent $350 million on advertising alone. RDR2 and Cyberpunk also had ten times the staff, and legacy code in an established Studio. For eg the budget for GTA6 is over $2 billion dollars, and started 13 years ago. What SC has done with so few staff and in such a short time is unprecedented in gaming history. Of course you can disagree, but you can't tell me the Dev stats for Starfield, or any other comparable title, because no other Studio releases them.

[@baldmista1907]

The first 8 years of development on star citizen have been slow to say the least. But the game is finally picking (and the recent updates have actually been good) up pace as CIG now has 4 development studios with 512 developers working on this massive project. This whole trend of hating on star citizen is bullshit and 90% of people who are hating on the game have never even fucking touched it. Why would they sink hundreds of millions of dollars in it to never release it? It’s the worst business model. This game would make them billions, of course they’re going to release it. Star citizen is a fun game. It’s visually stunning, has fun combat and the exploring and adventuring is like none other. Yeah there’s tons of bugs but you’ll have days where you’ll be able to run star citizen fine and others when you’ll be encountering game breaking bugs. It’s a love/hate situation and if you wanna get the game then get it and try it for your self, it has a 14 day refund policy which is nice. Don’t let these people (who 90% of them haven’t even touched the game) decide for you.

[@baldmista1907]

@@Uncanny_Mountain yeah most of these people don’t know what they’re talking about because they’re just following a trend to recite what everyone else is saying without actually being able to understand anything of what they’re saying.

[@araulius2132]

Star Citizen cash cows are the living breathing embodiment of "sunk cost fallacy"

[@510tuber]

This isn't sunk cost fallacy. They aren't sinking cost into it, they're making money by not releasing it. Why would they release a terrible game when they can keep it in development and have people give them money. Once people know it's not good, the money stops. Milking idiots is profitable.

[@jovhonokamoto9397]

@@510tuber He was talking about the whales that pay for ships and shit.

[@aviator2252]

Pretty happy with my small contribution right now

[@Jellybeantiger]

​@@aviator2252Game has not changed. Until they put the stuff from the con into the game.

[@Aeoxmusic]

people just want a decent game made. there isn't a single game on earth that is worth playing at this current time. Star citizen is our only hope. maybe in the next 10-20 years

[@theoverallguy6186]

whats crazy is the hyper in depth nature of interacting with the game world doesnt bother me, i actually like it. my gripe is that if i need to do all this stuff its got to work, and when alot of the game features that are simple are just downright broken, it kills it. theres just too many steps to go through for this game and any one of them can and willl be fuckin busted along the way. before anyone says its an alpha dont gimme that bs excuse. games raised over 500 million dollars from supporter packs as expensive as 48 THOUSAND dollars. thats not a typo. its been in develpment for YEARS. stuff like getting in an elevator should work, but instead its likely to kill you.

[@dawishes2329]

I had luxury hanger and it was a white hangar with ship inside and an elevator in the back to go to second floor with a room with aquarium filled with fish and glass window to look outside and balconies on both sides and some catwalks if I remember correctly. Pretty impressive the first time I loaded it, pretty boring after a fking year of waiting.

[@ryuno2097]

My friend really loved this game and had high hopes for it. Sadly he passed away a few years and will never get to see this game to completion (if it ever will complete or be ready for release).

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Time is linear People die CIG didn't make the rules

[@WhiteGinger10000]

@@Uncanny_Mountain Shit take honestly but go off.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

@@WhiteGinger10000 wow, great argument, totally not a cult

[@WhiteGinger10000]

@@Uncanny_Mountain I mean, you responding to every single comment on this video sounds very cultish to me, ngl

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

@@WhiteGinger10000 I mean, in three years of asking the same question all of you deflected with personal attacks and Gaslighting Soooo 😂

[@storm14k]

Playing X4 has really made me rethink SC. The cargo thing is one. Why do you have these huge ships to hand load a little cargo? Why have the huge hollow ships anyway. I started looking at the designs in X4 and realizing a real ship would be modular containers. Simply put there's a lot of stuff in SC that doesn't make sense for the sake of trying to create a trope laden space western role playing game.

[@popularnhandsome]

ya it's like nothing can go faster then light so they had to jazz it up a bit.....

[@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA]

When it eventually hits 1 billion dollars in funding here's something to think about "Taking a range of $1,000 to $10,000 per life saved, $1 billion could potentially save between 100,000 and 1,000,000 lives." It will be coming up for 15 years development soon.

[@Leodigarius]

I gotta correct you on their transparency. It's all surface level. Backers don't get told shit, like when they removed SQ42 from the store or increased ship prices after their big sale. It may seem like they are open about shit, but that is super skin deep.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

Yep!

[@BizzMRK]

The fact that we got more actual no bs answers and actual infos from a hour long Con42 dev panel than from years of "open" communication by CIG says a lot. If Dan would be in charge of comunicating things related to the PU side the project wouldn't be nearly as frustrating to follow. Most of their shows that were originally meant to give some proper insight to the development have slowly turned into advertisements for new concept ships instead as well, where they pitch gameplay for them that doesn't even exist in Star Citizen yet. Even the Progress Tracker is very missleading and doesn't even reflect or show what developers are actually working on.

[@mercenum5186]

Squadron 42 is probably getting canceled.

[@VictoriousGardenosaurus]

Muta opening himself wide to show us how deep Star Citizen cut him

[@Gafferman]

Yet there is no footage here of him playing it...

[@andrewryan2928]

​@@Gafferman there..is?

[@Errant_Gaming]

@@Gafferman Even if they tried they probably wouldn't get passed the loading screen before being sent back to menu with a 30k.

[@BionicBurke]

​@Gomam0n some of us need to still try and convince ourselves that being a Chairman's Club member means something.

[@vrabo3026]

Meanwhile, I bought No Man's Sky in 2020 because I got the impression that it was "finally finished" and then another content update arrived. And another.. and another... and another... and another.... and the game in it's current state is nothing like what it was when I got it. And yesterday, 3 years after my purchase, Sean Murray announced *another* update arriving in a few days. Best game purchase of my life.

[@anthonykarnes6804]

NMS has become a near masterpiece

[@doctorgoodson]

Fucking love that game

[@NEOgeek402]

This is the issue though that game sucks IMO. They lied, and they are not doing anything new. SC does things no other game does.

[@ThaKoalaKing]

Never played the game but I love reading this. That launch was so much of a disaster the fact that they overcorrected so hard that you're still getting content today is awesome.

[@konradzaleski860]

@@NEOgeek402 wrong and star citizen stinks

[@thorscape3879]

Granblue Fantasy Relink began development some time before its announcement in 2016, saw delay after delay, lost Platinum as a co-developer, and still released before Star Citizen this year. Its initial release date was 2018 for persepctive.

[@ForgedHorizons]

Persistent Entity Streaming is online. Went live 2 patches ago if I remember correctly. That's actually one of the major reasons behind the major instability that's happening right now. Too much garbage everywhere gunking up servers. Whether it be empty water bottles, random hospital gowns, destroyed ships or the entire cargo of said destroyed ship, there are thousands if not millions of different objects that are depending on the servers to track. Just wanted to put this here. I know it probably won't be popular to say but ya know meh. It's the only actually incorrect piece of information in here so far.

[@Artemyst]

That and all of the events that make the server unjoinable from being full.

[@billywashere6965]

@@Artemyst Yup, they're purposely breaking the whole thing to find the stress points. They need to do that before putting PES in AWS. The last thing they want is to put PES in AWS and have account corruption or database failure. Find the faults first and then make the tech stable.

[@charlesfuzak]

Sounds like that feature is a really bad idea. Unless they plan to have janitors and cleanup crews. But then that starts to defeat the purpose of objects being persistent in the world.

[@billywashere6965]

@@charlesfuzak They actually are working on an ambidextrous janitor, and the tow truck ship is coming in the next patch so you can tow wrecks out of landing zones.

[@zazzyboy8592]

@@charlesfuzakor they can just put stupid stuff like water bottles and hospital gowns on a timer. In fact I think they should just put everything on a timer besides ships, vehicles, player bodies (for environmental storytelling), and some weapons (albeit a really long timer for weapons).

[@NorthzYT]

The devs are gonna pass down the legacy of developing this game for generations to come.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

[@autdelux]

why not as long as enough ppl give them money they will not stop

[@DaBlaccGhost]

Inventory is still broken Fucking getting worse fps 8 years later 3 gpus later I'm over it man

[@TheHeartlessAlchemist]

Damn! When Muta said "Haunted Gaming" I felt a wave of nostalgia. Good times.

[@danroberts007]

I backed this game first day. Not Kickstarter, but with Cloud Imperium Games when they ran their initial fundraiser themselves; I still get their loooong emails telling me exactly how hard they are working. I bought a new gaming computer in 2014 so I would be able to play this at the highest frame rates or whatever. That computer’s motherboard, CPU, RAM & SSD all got replaced a month ago ‘cause they’d all died of old age. The video card (and network card) had already been replaced a few years back. I remember the Hangar. That’s probably where I’ve spent most of my time in-game so far. All I own is the starter ship because they’ve only gotten $40 USD out of me. So I’d hop in the pilot seat… hop out, walk around the ship and gantry… and log out. Later there was that sort-of tutoria experience? I guess? All I remember is trying to lift my ship up vertically out some hangar doors in the ceiling and I kept crashing and missing the exit. Eventually I got out and had no idea how to fly my ship. I floated around helplessly for 5 minutes or so and logged out. I haven’t been back since. I have enjoyed No Man’s Sky recently. I own several rare ships in that game. Guess how much they cost me? Oh, that’s right! They were free. 🥸

[@MrDeothor]

something tells me you'd enjoy Space Engineers game ;)

[@alexmay2203]

@@MrDeothor SE is a creative blocky ship biulder with no goal or challenge in sight. )) Has nothing to do with survival or space flights.

[@MrDeothor]

@@alexmay2203 you can add mods or play on a small server for pvp. Yea, the core is of sandbox, but sometimes that's all you need without even knowing ;)

[@jodell2023]

Join an organization. It really helped me learn and get into the game.

[@OfficialRapMV]

@@alexmay2203 SE is a much better game lmao.

[@TimmmmmyD]

I backed this also from the start. I will admit i have had some interesting gameplay moments while hopping back in from time to time. 1 being when the wind wasnt working correctly and our ship blew away because we left the engine on amd had to call out to another player to come collect us from a planet lol. Throwing hot dogs around, playing for hours mining and then our pilot crahses and blew up everything we had. I will continue to drop in every now and then.

[@zDemoGODz]

Or here's my experience. Do bunkers. It's night. The height meter in cockpit cant be trusted (crashed so many times because of it). So i try my best at estimating the height. Land, looks clear, get out of my ship. Then i take damage and wonder wtf? Heal, look up, yep my ship is stuck hovering at like 50m height. Had to call in a guy for pickup. We decided I will do a "superman jump" from his bay to mine. 3rd time was the charm and I don't think I've ever gotten a sense of achievement as great as this, while also gaining nothing for my efforts. 10/10 experience, but would not repeat or recommend.

[@GamerMarine89]

I will say this game is amazing... when it works, it's such a cool idea, it's also very fun... when it works. My first time playing I was stuck in New Babbage because the lifts wouldn't work. Then my ship wouldn't spawn. When I finally got it working exploring caves with friends and experiencing weird weather on the different moons. It's so great and has so much potential. I hope this game eventually comes out, I'll keep my hopes low but still keeping hopes for it.

[@fritzhaselnuss7852]

when bugs get you excited and you fall in love with something over its shortcomings you know you are not the most reliable witness to a products quality :)

[@GamerMarine89]

@fritzhaselnuss7852 what? I'm not falling in love with the bugs. The bugs ruin the game, it's not a full release though so it's expected like any game that's not fully out. I love tarkov but I fucking hate the bugs and server issues. I can like the concept and idea of a project while not liking and calling out the bugs.

[@elkneto4334]

@@GamerMarine89 lets talk again when they shat on you for another ten years

[@DexLuther]

The problem with SC _IS_ Chris Roberts. There was an idea at the start and it was good. Then Chris started going Q&A live streams where people basically requested features, and most of the time Chris' answer was sure and he just added it to the list, which is how the game got turned into a life simulator and a pay to win nightmare. The people with a lot of money to space and that got in early were able to get the nice big ships (many of which aren't in the game yet), but the kicker is these ships also come with lifetime insurance, which at the time of writing this isn't available anymore. That means when/if the game releases not only will people have a leg up because they'll be able to start day 1 with all the big pretty ships, but they don't have to care as much about them. Even if they are asshats, their ship will just get replaced for free while everyone else has to pay a ton of credits. EDIT: Another of their problems is that they are building S42 "at the same time" as SC. They should have focused on one or the other. With one serving as the base for the other. I would have completed S42 first and then expanded on it to create the persistent Universe. It's much easier to copy and paste from a finished product to create another product by expanding on it. It's how pretty much every sequel video game is made.

[@JoinedSouls]

I had much the same experience with fortnite, I was a major fan and utterly addicted to the save the world project, and seeing it become what it is and epic do what they've gone onto do has made me feel deeply regretful that I ever discovered it and gave it my money.

[@scottthewaterwarrior]

I've had a pretty consistent line in the sand when it comes to online only games. I hate the idea of some corperate intity being able to change or even take away a game I love.

[@AlexBell1991]

The craziest thing to me is that someone out there would have actually paid hundreds to thousands for an in-game ship. What the flip mate.

[@sublimehypocrisy]

Well, you buy a 40 dollar ship and two months later there's a sale to upgrade for $10 to a ship worth $30 more so you upgrade. Do that a few times a year for 6 years abd you have a $500 spaceship. I spend that on nights out with friends easily in 6 months. People have different desires for entertainment.

[@billywashere6965]

I mean, people pay millions for paintings with just a few lines on them. It's all relative to what you enjoy spending your money on that brings you joy in life.

[@moronic5805]

well well that video didn't age quite well to this point. Let's see in another 2 years when they release!

[@kappa5809]

Mutas real cause for disappointment is the lack of space catboy strippers in star citizen.

[@Mazaroth]

At this point, we might aswell be waiting for the heat death of the universe to happen before SC is released.

[@lurkr5458]

I had no clue how massive the price of some of the microtransactions in that game were... Thats insane

[@glenyoung1809]

This game invented "macro"-transactions, what's surprising is that as much the general gaming community hates pay-to-win, hates loot boxes and microtransactions they have no idea of the scale of microtransactions in SC. When you mention it on some forums they don't believe you, call you a liar and comeback 10 minutes later with an OMG expression and tell you they can't believe any game company can get away with it.

[@REX11522]

I was considering playing it, but then i read that they do wipes that delete all the progres of every player, imagine after delivering countless packages, get fu*ked in the ass and get all your progress deleted ☠️☠️☠️

[@arkosilaura]

The game isn't great, but i think their customer support is. Not only did i get a full refund after 4 days of checking out the game, but they also cleared up some stuff that worried me a lot. Some people told me that if i refunded that my account would get deleted and my email address blocked from accessing the game again, but the customer support person assured me that my account will be fine and ready for re-activation when i choose to re-buy the game. Best of wishes to Star Citizen, tbh. I hope it pulls through.

[@juh9870_projects]

I'm time traveler from 2096. They are still selling ships for unfinished game

[@no3ironman11100]

@@juh9870_projects I'm time traveller from 2204. People stopped buying ships in a boycott in 2203 organized by the elder great-great-great-great grandchildren of backers, the game died a year later as "We have no money to continue funding this project". There were signs of a third solar system and people regret not having funded it more :(. The cyborg-dev team bought several mansions in LA and cashed out 40 billion reformation VI dollars in crypto(It has been 6 superinflation events in the US since the 2000s and we reset the cash value haha!).

[@baldmista1907]

The first 8 years of development on star citizen have been slow to say the least. But the game is finally picking (and the recent updates have actually been good) up pace as CIG now has 4 development studios with 512 developers working on this massive project. This whole trend of hating on star citizen is bullshit and 90% of people who are hating on the game have never even fucking touched it. Why would they sink hundreds of millions of dollars in it to never release it? It’s the worst business model. This game would make them billions, of course they’re going to release it. Star citizen is a fun game. It’s visually stunning, has fun combat and the exploring and adventuring is like none other. Yeah there’s tons of bugs but you’ll have days where you’ll be able to run star citizen fine and others when you’ll be encountering game breaking bugs. It’s a love/hate situation and if you wanna get the game then get it and try it for your self, it has a 14 day refund policy which is nice. Don’t let these people (who 90% of them haven’t even touched the game) decide for you. Also worth noting, Cyberpunk 2077 took 9 years. Rust, 10 years. Rdr2, 8 years. CIG started this massively ambitious project with fewer devs as well. They’ve gotten a lot done in 10 years considering the scale of this project.

[@juh9870_projects]

@@baldmista1907 You have a typo: Game will make them billions if they *don't* release it.

[@darklordliam]

I had a friend in high school invested in Star Citizen. He told me about it and my “scam” alert was going off the charts, especially after I found out about the prices those digital assets were going for.

[@billywashere6965]

Yes, such a scam.... just like those $1,000 gun skins in CS GO.... right? ....Right?!?!

[@dc5fallout]

@@billywashere6965 I made like 5k through Csgo skins lmao, but thats when I was bored asf

[@mariobadia4553]

​@@billywashere6965 unlike the tech demo you can make money off of gunskins in csgo.

[@notepadinc655]

oh on, somebody speaking about RMT of a game they dont play. i wont even correct you just tell you to stop speaking out your ass XD ship flipping is a lifefstyle

[@TheRealBillix]

​@@mariobadia4553it's called gambling and is essentially a scam

[@the_other_jackal]

A few buddies of mine from university went on to work at cloud imperium back in 2018. Now I understand why they were so excited about it.

[@hudgypudgy2960]

You should get in touch with them, potentially provide GREAT insight

[@the_other_jackal]

@@hudgypudgy2960 that’s a good idea…

[@bormos3]

Star Citizen's biggest obstacle is Chris Roberts himself. He's amazing at coming up with games, but sucks at making them. The only reason his last attempt at a space game was even released was because he got booted from the project.

[@lebouffi38]

Made some research before and this is absolutely true !

[@DatOneCat]

The hub worlds look gorgeous and something I'd totally just let myself hangout and lose myself into. But looking at everything else, I could just get a similar experience in 2D by playing Starbound with mods.

[@AaronSoul725]

There's probably a star citizen mod for Starbound at this point lmao

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

😂😂😂😂 Sure buddy

[@DatOneCat]

@@AaronSoul725 I wouldn't be surprised if there was considering how some mods completely rework the game. 🥴

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@@Uncanny_Mountain Cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope ,cope, cope, cope, cope.~ tuned to the Super Mario Theme

[@billywashere6965]

Yes and no. I love Starbound, and terra-formed a few planets and built cities on them and brought NPCs there to populate the worlds, which also resulted in enemy pirates and monsters eventually coming to the planet(s) as well. It creates some awesome and expansive gameplay loops. However, Starbound and Star Citizen are two vastly different experiences. Starbound is what I imagine will be closer to a 2D version of Starfield. Star Citizen is much more sim-oriented, and logistics and planning play a much larger role in the overall appeal of the game. Imagine a mix of DayZ, Arma, and Elite Dangerous combined together. Also, the "quest" structure is much more loose in Star Citizen than Starbound. You can follow threads in Starbound to uncover various stories in that universe that takes you across different planets and do missions for different NPCs at various settlements. Star Citizen is more about just finding something you enjoy doing and kind of living your life in space and dealing with the hardships of day-to-day survival.

[@LaneyStudios5]

Citizen Kate is a channel that does pretty good videos on SC and is unbiased about it too, pointing out the good and the bad of the game

[@geehammer1511]

Gets a lot of flak about it too, SC has many fanboys who don't want to admit it's flaws.

[@uqs57bju]

@@geehammer1511 Honestly, that's a pretty bad sign for the game. That happens quite a lot when people spend too much on something and are either too ashamed or in denial to admit it. The lovely term of cope-spiral comes to mind.

[@slightlyaboveaveragebutaverage]

What game?

[@liesandy291]

​@@uqs57bju yep sunk cost fallacy.

[@r.daneel.90]

​@@geehammer1511 and it also has a lot of haters, folks who deeply hate the game and its their hobby to hate it. All games have blinded fanboys and haters (especially fanboys), it's the norm. But the amount of hatred and paranoia that we can find against SC, that's something else.

[@heartwormskillcats8357]

From a new player's perspective, Star Citizen appears to be an utter, complete, and total scam.

[@galliumgames3962]

The player worldbuilding of 2B2T is fascinating despite the fact I only ever touched the server once in 2018. If someone can pull off server meshing to where this can happen organically in other MMOs, it would be revolutionary and I’d probably play an MMO for the first time as I was never able to get immersed into the on rails theme park model.

[@billywashere6965]

Dual Universe manages it, but it doesn't have any ground based FPS and the flight model isn't great, and the space combat isn't great, but it does server meshing well and the world-building possibilities are REALLY awesome. Some of the cities players have built looks really intricate.

[@animebhopper]

@@f333udlet that game die, it’s terrible

[@LL-tr5et]

@@animebhopper js it? aw :(

[@Zjombie]

if you've never played the game, this is the Star Citizen Experience: You've been going back and forth in your head thinking about trying this "game" for years now at this point. You finally give in and buy a starter pack, most likely the one with the Mustang Alpha. You spend a good chunk of your time just learning how to just play. You are blown back by the graphics and how good the game looks, how immersive it feels and you get genuinely excited to play. Nevermind the bugs at this point in time, you don't care about those right now. You develop the muscle memory and learn the game mechanics. Fast forward a couple of weeks and now what you first thought was an awesome feat of accomplishment (such as flying your ship and being able to do a package mission without crashing), is now trivial and you don't even think about it anymore. You've been bored for a while now, since you have spent the majority of your time just learning how to play the game, and now that you know how, you realize there is literally nothing else to do. You have bought all the ships in-game that you wanted to try out, you've done your bounty missions, your package deliveries, maybe PvP and have explored Stanton entirely. You logout, uninstall the game, and boom. your done. This is not a game, and I don't think it ever will be. This is a tech demo that people have dumped billions into, and you are the tester. The company has no obligations to even make a game at this point it seems, with how much money they have made and are STILL making from ships, and with no end in sight. I don't know how this has gone on this long honestly. Its a shame to, because if they had some boundaries and stuck to a gameplan, this would probably have been released already. The game they are trying to make will take another 10 years minimum, if not more.

[@shark6350]

Perfect explanation. Although I still had and have fun. You realize there isn't anything else to do after the initial honeymoon phase. Ngl tho sometimes I kinda like just being in the verse.

[@StompGuts161]

I said in global chat the other day " Its crazy to think we're flying ships now that we're probably going to be passing down to our kids" and the entire global chat started to attack me and even went as far as to claim the game was going to be released in the next 4 years. Yes... 4 years. Dude they couldn't even deliver on all of the ships they've been dreaming up and promising in 4 years let alone deliver some kind of finished product. Now that my rant is over, I'm going to go back and play my Carrack and waste more years of my life playing this game.

[@22spedos]

Sounds like a group of delusional psychos who will never admit they made a mistake by giving so much money to the Star Citizen devs.

[@fritzhaselnuss7852]

hey no hate, at least you know exactly what you are doing. I like people who are honest about it. You do you, just try to avoid wasting more money and remember....your time is actually more valuable then your money but as long as you like what you are doing....go for it

[@Madadader]

Let's play a game! What will come out first Star Citizen or Fallout 5. You either pick Fallout 5, or you're wrong.

[@crispy9175]

​@@MadadaderStar citizen.

[@crispy9175]

@timnewsome5161 how did you like the Citizencon presentations this year and Chris saying they are in polish and optimization phase for SQ42 and all core tech (except base building starting in Q1 2024)?

[@JayColtMartin]

At NO POINT in the video (other than the click bait title) does he call Star Citizen a scam. at 14:32 he specifically says its not a scam and you can prove it. Whack.

[@mrtortoise3766]

17:40 he didn’t mention this but the kraken is actually still in development and your purchase doesn’t even give you the ship in game just the promise of it when it comes out

[@cyphaborg6598]

So buy ship but no shipping yet!!.. Vaya con dios.

[@admiralkaede]

to be fair u get it at a reduced price u can always wait for it to release they have a record of releasing ships a few years after the concept so

[@mrtortoise3766]

@@admiralkaede still paying a weeks rent for an nft that hasn’t even been made yet

[@admiralkaede]

@@mrtortoise3766 yes but unlike an nft these will become a thing and the devs actually have a history of following through

[@mrtortoise3766]

@@admiralkaede it has no greater value than an NFT