I Feel Scammed By Star Citizen And I Gave Up On It...

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Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! This time we take a look at Star Citizen after all these years. From a game that recieved a couple million on Kickstarter, it's raised over half a billion with the most ambitious game idea that has yet to be realized to even 10% of the vision Chris Roberts and Cloud Imperium Games has set. This game and it's troubled development has led me to abandon this game and hoping to return when it finally drops what was initially advertised. Thanks for watching!
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[@SomeOrdinaryGamers]

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[@ios5]

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[@simeonehdhdyxhxy]

love you muta

[@bonbob9512]

New Muta vid just dropped

[@ShadowLinkleVR]

Love ya mutalation

[@wonniera]

Hi Mutah!

[@adenansu]

I'm going to leave my Star Citizen account in my will, and hope my grandkids will finally see the game released.

[@sooshibagel]

i feel like my account is the reason ill never have grandkids

[@SkylarTrahan]

They’ll have to leave it for their grandkids

[@B.V.Luminous]

I'm not lying here when I told the person who introduced me to Star Citizen that we would have to leave our accounts to our children.

[@InsertSomethingStupid2002]

​@@sooshibagel gah damn man

[@jamie1224]

When their great grandkids are adults, perhaps.

[@PlayerOne.StartGame]

I was pumped about star citizen back in 2012 when I saw Angryjoe talk about it. I figured I'd wait till it was polished up a bit before I made a pledge.... It has been 10 years, I joined the army, served in 5+ countries, got a degree, left then came back to religion, and got married. And this shit is STILL IN DEVELOPMENT.

[@NEOgeek402]

The issues is no one really thingks about it look at games like GTA, cyberpunk, etc they take almost as long and make why more for less.

[@Zarathustra_infinite]

your grandkids are going to play the finished star citizen

[@Tyzen7]

And yes your PFP is still cringe. Didn't grow much did you bud?

[@reecechadwick8504]

Ah well 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@vagamer522]

Thanks for serving whatever country your in.

[@eric_of_weird2776]

Eight or so years after buying in I got an email telling me the team was working hard on creating the tech to allow sheets to work realistically on beds.

[@S....]

Whatever makes them sleep better.

[@dicariel]

Visionary 😮

[@A55455In47I0n]

IT'S BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY A BIG CASH GRAB TO FUND CHRIS ROBERT'S FAILED CINEMATOGRAPHY DREAM WHILE USING THE 'TECH' AS THE CINEMATIC ENGINE WHICH MIGHT MEAN THAT WE GET SOME EPIC MOVIES 10 YEARS FROM NOW? XD?

[@SirBeelz]

@@A55455In47I0nWHY ARE YOU YELLING

[@Jizzlewobbwtfcus]

I hope those sheet have Anti-Amber Heard Poop Technology

[@davekennedy6315]

A sobering thought is that Chris Roberts last finished game was Freelancer back in 2003. Freelancer was only eventually finished after Microsoft stepped in and kicked Chris Roberts off the project altogether! Prior to that there were major complaints about Roberts wasting time and money. The Wing Commander movie was over budget and way behind schedule. Being over budget and behind schedule sounds like Roberts standard!

[@Duran8998]

The game has been in development for so long that I have forgotten about it completely on three different occasions.

[@stage6fan475]

😀😀😀😀😂

[@moonasha]

funny thing is its been in development for as long as GTA6

[@leroyrussell8766]

No it has not. Please educate yourself. Or I can do it for you. First, development did not start until 2012. Prior to that, there was only a proof of concept created in order to start up the crowd funding. But, this game we are playing, was not started in 2012. It was started in 2015. Why? Because Chris Roberts originally envisioned it as an updated Freelancer type game. There were going to be no planets or moons that you could fly down to. Only instances. In other words, if you remember the original Area 18...that's what planets would be like. You can see this in the 2014 CitizenCon demo. They select to land at Area 18, and the game would fly you down to the planet, and give you a little tour as you flew between some buildings. You would not have control until landed. Then, you could depart the ship, or choose to leave the planet. When leaving the planet, it would have been the same auto-pilot function Well, a bunch of us asked for more. I was polite about it, but some weren't. Chris Roberts said he needed 23 million to make his original vision. By the time the big "real planets" thread took off, they were at around 45 million. So when CiG originally said they could not do this, some people got nasty about it, and tied the amount of money to what should be in the game. In other words, they were closing in on twice what Chris Roberts said he needed. So, in 2015 a survey was sent out. A link in your email to a survey. The results were overwhelming...the community wanted more, and they wanted it to be epic. Sound familiar? Seems the community for No Man's Sky were doing the same thing. Kind of a trend these days, when the Developers try to be open to the community, the community suddenly becomes Idea Guys, and demand everything their heart's desire. Thus, the "stretch goals" were born. You want this feature, they need this much money. At some point, the community then demanded that the stretch goals be stopped, and the game simply be made. No more new features. I should also note that The Next Great Starship had a lot to do with this also. I suspect they did it to look for talent they could hire. We have Apocalypse Arms ship guns in the game, because one of the guys in the competition who was really good at animations created the that name for his gun, in the preliminary competition, and he got hired by CiG. Keep in mind, they had a very small crew in 2012, and had to build up from there. More on that later. But TNGS brought out more nastiness. They people who participated were quite talented, and they made some very cool ships. This brought out the trolls who took it as an opportunity to slam CiG's ships. Well, Chris took that to heart, and even said during one of the episodes that they were going to have to up their game. Now, this puts the current development at 8 years. Yes, everything made prior to that had to be redone. Now, is 8 years a long time? Not really. Red Dead Redemption 2 took 10 years, and that was a fully up and running game studio, with teams that were familiar with each other, and the game engine they were using. CiG has had to recreate much of the game engine they are using. For instance, the CryEngine did not do curved water surfaces, which were needed for these round planets. So they had to create that themselves. Sean Tracy was hired to be their CryEngine expert, and he admitted that the engine has changed so much, that he's not the expert on the engine now. To be sure, there have been some hiccups along the way, but given the fact that they had to create this game while also creating a new, very large team to do it, that's not unexpected. The bottom line is this...there are a couple of key technologies they are working on for Squadron 42. The AI is one of them. The CryEngine couldn't handle what they needed...they weren't happy with the AI, so they are creating a whole new AI. That's one tech that I know of. But I heard there were two or three they were working on. Once those are done, Squadron 42 will release. After that, we can expect a lot of content to be released to the Star Citizen PU, since they did admit that they have to hold a lot of content back for Squadron 42. Why is that important? Well, do you remember all the fanfare in the gaming media when ARK went live? No? Exactly. There was no fanfare. It was a snoozefest, because we had almost everything when it went live. The reality is that the epic games made today, tend to take a long time to make. But, most are made without you thinking about them much. You get a bit of news here or there, but the hype doesn't start until they are very close to being ready to take pre-orders. Many of those games were in development for many years before they hype began. How much time a game takes to make, will depend on the type of game, and how much new tech is involved. A Madden 2023, reskinned to be Madden 2024, isn't very involved to make, so they can pump those out like burgers at McDs. A new CoD will take a little longer, but that's still going to be made from the tried and true recipe, with a few new gimmicks to make it feel fresh. But a game like Star Citizen...something that has never been done before, being made by a new Start Up company, is going to take more time. I'm in the camp that wants them to get it right. Too many times, games are rushed out, not ready for Prime Time, and it kills the interest. The community implodes and only a few diehards remain. You especially see this with early access games. By the time the game is polished and ready to play, most of the people have moved on. I've seen this happen many times. Anyway, yes this is a wall of text, but the explanation couldn't be done any justice in a short couple of sentences.

[@ihavestage5terminalbasedca887]

@@leroyrussell8766 buh

[@polymloth]

@@leroyrussell8766 I wish people would read this

[@MrBothandNether]

over a decade in and still missing key alpha features _but the store worx flawlessly_

[@xsubi456]

even the store doesn't work flawlessly ...

[@mikoto7693]

I felt that way about Fallout 76 when it was new.

[@ch3cksund3ad]

@@xsubi456 it works far better than the game I never experienced a bug or crash there lol

[@sigma_04]

which key alpha features are that, exactly?

[@FlakAttack0]

Adding the ship recall timers while people are still regularly getting sucked into space or spontaneously exploding? Yeah that makes sense and won't get in the way of playing the game at all.

[@therealmeasles7474]

I have never regretted my decision to avoid Star Citizen.

[@TempoLOOKING]

Pixle starships

[@anonsidious358]

Same I and I loved WC series and the Spin off Privateer Series. In fact watching what happened with it had made me decide never to pre order or pay for early access in games. Someone in this comment section said it may well be a money laundering op. how do you get a half a billion dollars, 10 years & not have a complete game at the least a good core game going while you crafting DLC? Within this time a game like No Mans Sky promised the moon failed then redeemed itself and is now cranking out free DLC updates and have a great game.

[@KnowledgeIncarnate]

​@anonsidious358 Robert's has always been astoundingly bad at managing things, this includes game dev. WC only came out because the publisher stepped in and put their foot down. Star Citizen is what happens when you give someone like that a blank check and no oversight. I think they might eventually release something playable, it might even be good. I just also think it would have released in half the time and budget if Robert's wasn't in charge of it. Right on with the pre-order/early access comment though. I'll only do that if the 'early access' build is a playable game in its own right like Starsector. Otherwise you're just spending money on an idea. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that, I backed The Mandate (RIP) because I wanted to see it made, but you're essentially throwing money into the wind.

[@annekedebruyn7797]

Same. Elite dangerous scratches that itch very well. I don't need super duper planets that feels like an empty single player game.

[@source7431]

i have never regretted my decision to buy star citizen. It's great to see how much fun i've had since buying it despite what everyone says. I'd say you're missin out, but then again, don't hate when you aint.

[@mugthemagpie3001]

Because you mentioned Freelancer: Chris Roberts was actually removed from the lead of the game due to the fact the game started costing more and more money. Star Citizen is basically what if Microsoft never intervened in case of Freelancer.

[@jaydee6347]

Are they just getting away with this ? Great vidéo but this not 1 failure it's a scam 101

[@vtubersubs3803]

@@jaydee6347Exactly. They're making more money on the cultists buying expensive ship packages that supposedly won't exist once the game is finished and they don't need any more """pledges""". They have a MASSIVE financial incentive to keep stringing people along for as long as the money keeps coming in.

[@elkneto4334]

CR has a history of fucking projects up

[@Megaman8880]

I had an online buddy that was excited about this game years ago, and he literally died before release.

[@kajmak64bit76]

LMaooo F in the Chat

[@65firered]

It still hasn't been released.

[@alkohnest]

I've graduated three times, got a job and bought a house.

[@Spike-qh2bb]

Star Citizen is still not released yet probably in another 5 years if you're lucky.

[@petermmm42]

​@@Murderbits I hope life gets better and you get back to health 🙏

[@frankiecoss7141]

Little do we know, but Chris has been actually developing a way to become immortal so he can work on Star Citizen for an eternity.

[@jcorwin651]

He needs the Star Citizen money to keep that snail away from him.

[@worldgov3922]

​@@jcorwin651 The snail is inevitable. No matter where you are. No matter what you do. It will reach you.

[@parable2788]

@@worldgov3922 im putting it in a hamster ball

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Well it's been 7 years, same as Starfield. Rust took 8 RDR2 9 And Cyberpunk 10 It's also TWO games, so $250 million each, RDR2 spent $350 million on advertising alone. RDR2 and Cyberpunk also had ten times the staff, and legacy code in an established Studio What SC has done with so few staff and in such a short time is unprecedented in gaming history. Of course you can disagree, but you can't tell me the Dev stats for Starfield, or any other comparable title, because no other Studio releases them.

[@devastatingrpg2075]

@@worldgov3922 holy shit ive figured it out. Chris is trying to get his mind put into star citizen which is the product of all the money he gained from the deal and pledges. He is trying to escape the snail by living in in SC

[@IrisCorven]

The feature creep vs performance is... Insane. There are people with 4090's and 64gb's of ram struggling to run the game. Meanwhile, this was a game that was announced OVER A DECADE AGO.

[@memeboy8207]

Imagine using anything higher than 1080p

[@TheAngryOnion]

I mean, I was using a 10 year old i7 and 1080ti and running it just fine, if they are running a 4090 and failing to run the game, at that point its on them

[@officerjohns9554]

@@TheAngryOnion yeah, its either a bottleneck issue, or they havent played longer than 15 min to let the shader caches to load

[@metadata4255]

are you insinuating this game requires 15 minutes of playtime to start running properly@@officerjohns9554

[@metadata4255]

I have a laptop with a 150W 3070 Ti and an AMD 6800h, I can run Exodus Enhanced at max settings (GLOBAL ILLUMINATION RAY TRACING FFS) 1600p at >60fps. Star Citizen runs like shit. I wonder what bottleneck I have that your 10 year old build doesn't@@TheAngryOnion

[@petrawojciecha6314]

In a strange way, I feel like Hello Game's latest project, Light No Fire, is some sort of slap in the face of the whole SC concept: - Stick to one planet, - Make it fun, - Make it engaging, - Make a completed game*, (*even though you still plan to add content).

[@Benzinilinguine]

I would take anything Hello Games says with a grain of salt after... ...the event...

[@OmegaEnvych]

let's hope that they learned their lesson and will release game when it's done and not when, well, alpha is more or less working.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

People like you literally said the exact same thing about Starfield before its release. Why do people not learn from history? Wait until Light No Fire is out before saying "it's a slap in the face to CIG" when every time people have said this they have been proven wrong.

[@fiesbert5677]

Your mistake is thinking its a game. It is a game development investor roleplaying experience. You can watch your money being drained while there is no progress on the project you invested in. Seeing this roleplay project for what it is, it is a unique masterpiece

[@ceestone1]

yOu actually get it it's nothing but a glorified demo and nothing else

[@fiesbert5677]

@@ceestone1 It would even be a shit tech demo. Its not even that

[@GomulDart]

There is progress though....

[@Jamie-ul6ww]

I don't really understand how you can NOT see the progress - Yes it's buggy, yes the communication is poor. But from a single space station you could barely exist in, to an entire solar system, several cities, and many different types of gameplay loops. No progress tho right?

[@ceestone1]

@@Jamie-ul6ww Nope

[@crayvd8229]

Star Citizen is what you get if George R.R Martin, Elon Musk, and Todd Howard all came together and decided to make a video game. George will spend decades finishing his portion, Elon won’t stop adding features, and Todd just manipulates us into believing his sweet little lies.

[@craig5340]

only issue is that it would not have the bugs if elon did it. (it be playable)

[@braintexx3581]

@@craig5340 say that to the tesla declaring war on a random chinese lady 💀

[@Homiloko2]

@@craig5340 Say that to his underground car tunnel, his spaceship, his mars colony, his dancing robot, his cybertruck, his vacuum bullet train, etc? The truth is that Elon knows how to hype things up but 99% of the time he never delivers lol. He promised Tesla FSD was fully working in 2016 and could drive itself from New York to California, but it's now 7 years later and they're still in beta fixing bugs. And you really believe he'll take people to Mars??!

[@theod4660]

@@Homiloko2 To this day I still don’t understand what problem the tunnel for cars was supposed to fix. It’s the same as adding a traffic lane, just more expensive. Is building a train track so hard in the USA?

[@Homiloko2]

@@theod4660 I think he was trying to invent the metro, but with a rich person's mindset who hates public transport, making it many times more dangerous and inefficient.

[@guderheinz]

The only shocking thing here is that there are still any people out there who after all this time are willing to spend any amount of money on this scam.

[@silver4831]

Some literally pay a subscription.

[@guderheinz]

@@silver4831 To me charging a subscription for this scam should be criminal. And those who pay it are too gullible to live independently, I think.

[@superzac]

@@guderheinz maybe try the game before calling it a scam

[@guderheinz]

@@superzac Yeah, sure, buy into a scam before you go calling it a scam. Brilliant idea.

[@Shamino1]

12 years and still no Squadron 42. No Gary Oldman, no Mark Hamill- but they certainly got paid with backerbucks so Chris Roberts could LARP as a director again.

[@ashkebora7262]

I love the _"In Stock"_ on the storefront... as if digital assets have actual copy limits...

[@YourOtherSock]

Well to be fair, when you're a good game that has actually released, as well as are beloved by fans it's possible. FF14 had to actually stop selling digital copies a for a bit because they were getting too many new players and some servers had to be updated/upgraded to accommodate the huge increase. Shit was wild

[@ashkebora7262]

@@YourOtherSock Yes, but that is a services issue, not an availability of the digital asset issue. This game selling a ship for $100 bucks is not comparable to FF14 having to stop selling _actual game copies_ due to server capacity issues. Completely and wholly different. One is nothing but capitalism being the joke that it is. The other is a capacity issue.

[@bamboozled8955]

I think they did it on purpose to be quirky or smt

[@NIGHTSHADE31401]

​@@ashkebora7262 Sounds like you're not a fan of free market.

[@ashkebora7262]

@@NIGHTSHADE31401 Not in the strict sense, no. I think some things shouldn't be commodified. In the realm of entertainment, though, I don't really care. Capitalist it up (one of many downsides to a free market). I'll still make fun of blatantly greedy sobs. They shouldn't be able to advertise falsely or profiteer, though. As much as various industries have been pushing those boundaries over the years...

[@nathanb7166]

This whole thing would make a great front end for a entire money laundering system.

[@killerkitten7534]

I’m genuinely convinced given how much they’re making that this is just a money laundering scheme. They’re doing just enough development to look “legitimate”

[@johnwinters2815]

I'm not surprised if that's what it is. I feel similarly about James Cameron's Avatar franchise.

[@pandapancakes37]

​@John Winters lol😂 that would actually make sense and explain the 35 planned future movies.

[@johnwinters2815]

@@pandapancakes37 And why it took over ten years to make just one (of at least four) sequels).

[@zeroneutral]

Yeah a taxable business is totally the best way to launder money.... Do you hear yourself?

[@piotr7805]

I really wish to know the ending of Star Citizen's story. Is it going to be remembered as the biggest crowd-funding scam in history? Or maybe it is going to be the most revolutionizing game made to this point? Can't believe the coin is still in the air after DECADE!

[@TempoLOOKING]

Ouya

[@mastershep11n74]

It won't be a scam. after the last citizencon, what they showed is crazy. Honestly they should just release it after squadron 42 and a LOT of bug fixes, and then do updates forever to add everything. Once they do its either gonna be good or bad, but it will be a game to play that does exactly what it said it would, and then they can add things to it.

[@user-ve8vx3tx7p]

I mean a scam implies a malicious intent. Either way there is a LOT of work going into for a scam. People need to chill out and just not buy into it if they don't want to support development. Super super easy solution.

[@jerm70]

​@@user-ve8vx3tx7pIt is a scam though. Like it or not the game isn't released yet not on the basis of actual development time but that Star Citizen will make less money on launch than it ever has since the game cannot justify its MTX after it launches. Customers have been scammed into funding a cash shop that has had its heyday. If Chris thought he had a year left of this grIft the game would be delayed further.

[@leoferwer1813]

It will be the biggest retro game ever made when it is finally done in 200 years...

[@MrChadLedford]

I can't believe people pay those prices for digital ships in a game. Wtf....

[@bonbonjovi4836]

Those are the same people who will work a 9 to 5 their entire life.

[@arianasnowvr6038]

i paid 40$ and got every ship now cause of ingame purchases you can earn currency and buy the ships you want so you really only need 1 ship bought and the others are obtainable with in game currencies

[@Wanelmask]

​@@arianasnowvr6038yeah, until the next wipe.

[@leviticusprime4904]

@@Wanelmasksunken cost

[@arianasnowvr6038]

@@Wanelmask started very late in the wipe and im saying i already got every ship its easy to do early after wipe and get your stuff back should only take 3 or 4 days to get done rep would take longer obviously but you can have the ships back in about 3 or 4 days if you spend those days right

[@anony88]

So glad I never gave a dime to these people. Being given $600m+ and still not able to make a game is beyond ridiculous.

[@anonony9081]

It's still better than what we get from most AAA studios who release games clearly unfinished while hacking out content just to sell it back as DLC. At least the people who put money into star citizen did so knowing it was going to take a long time and there was no guarantee of a "finished product"

[@xx_amongus_xx6987]

Money doesn't make game development any faster

[@DayspringDetectiveAgency]

@@anonony9081 I'm not sure I follow your logic. What you're saying is that throwing 600 million dollars into a void is better than paying zero dollars for an unfinished game to hit the market is better because...you weren't promised a product? Is that right?

[@whenallelsfails21]

​@@anonony9081 that makes zero sense.

[@zeektm1762]

I am currently playing this “game”. It is unfinished but enjoyable. The performance side of things has also been a significant improvement since COVID. The amount of people working on this game is commendable. If you do not think that they are using the money effectively, I invite you to look at their financial reports. One thing I will give you is that the scope of the game has increased since the initial pledge in 2012. I think this soured relations with the original playerbase. Since 2017-2018 though the game has mostly been on the same track. For the record, I am not saying that the development of AAA games SHOULD be like this, but I also don’t think this game is a scam or a “failure. The player base has been growing significantly.

[@ArDeeMee]

They should just declare Star Citizen a live-service game, because that’s what it already is.

[@boink666]

If it's in the service of crashing and never being done...sure!

[@ShoanQuebecCoD]

It’s easier to avoid backlash when a alpha is a laggy mess compared to a live game

[@watermelon58]

Needs to be a lot more stable than it is, there is genuinely some fantastic aspect to the game but dear god is it an uphill battle to get it to behave as intended.

[@EndGameEnt]

They make more money lying about that. 😅

[@watertrooper]

Correction life-service game.

[@ThrobbGoblin]

Thank god someone with actual reach is making a video about the absolute state of this game. I've been obsessed with this for years, drooling over what the game "is going to be around the corner", and the devs know that this is the fanbase's mentality. They'll never hit 1.0 with this game, they make more money off of the *promise* of 1.0. "This will be the best game ever made one day, just stick with us and someday you'll see!" It's a lot easier to make money off of an amazing promise than it is to make money off of an amazing game.

[@AtomicPiggly]

Brother...People with BIGGER numbers than Muta have made a million videos about this dumpster fire scam. Almost yearly. Not sure what your on about lmfao. And every time people call out this game, people still fund it. At the end of the day, it's still better then starfield.

[@jovhonokamoto9397]

@@AtomicPiggly You just compared a Space sim to a RPG set in space... yikes. Two different games, idiotic comparison.. games like no mans sky and elite dangerous are actual comparisons.

[@xavi_]

Cyberpunk 2077 launch flashbacks.. Atleast the game is amazing now

[@SamaelMoneyStein]

You're sad.

[@crispy9175]

​@@jovhonokamoto9397because SC is a better space RPG in it's current state than Star-loading screen- field.

[@ChaosSkye]

I remember saying this game will never get a full release and will be in perpetual alpha as long as people keep throwing money at it. I said that FIVE years ago. Money keeps pouring, no deadlines, no bosses to answer to, and no accountability. What could go wrong?

[@dexagalapagos]

Been a backer for over 10 years now. Was in my late 20s when I first heard about it, am in my 40s now. At the rate they're going I'll be long dead before we get the promised 100 star systems.

[@markwood5153]

thats actually sad when put in that perspective, i was in my late teens, now early thirties edit: spelling

[@MagnusGuard]

wtf i didn't think about it like that i am 37 now and damn when i backed the game i was what 25-26 ? shiit

[@Soliye.]

Was 13 when I heard about it and got hyped. 21 now, the game is like an incomplete childhood memory in my head. While I hope to play it someday, I've grown to just not follow it's development or care little about new stuff CIG announces. Sad to think how successful it would have been if it had released with only the things they promised 5+ years ago...

[@ch3cksund3ad]

play Starfield and call it bro, Im so sorry

[@Ravensbite]

At least theres Starfield that'll hopefully scratch that itch for ya. Sorry to hear about that.

[@ctrlcf]

Star Citizen is the epitome of “perfect is the enemy of the good”

[@oskariKN25]

and Publishers are the enemy of perfect. Star Citizen doesnt have a publisher team sadly so it will stay like this perfectionist mess for a whiiile.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

And SC Critics are the definition of a Cult/ Circle Jerk

[@WhiteGinger10000]

@@Uncanny_Mountain No game is really safe from criticism. Especially if it is warranted. People have the right to feel how they want about Star Citizen.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

@@WhiteGinger10000 so tell me the Dev stats for any other game, if none are above criticism, (even when those criticisms were fabricated out of whole cloth)

[@ileutur6863]

​@@Uncanny_Mountain Dev stats? Why are dev stats more important than actual finishes projects? Star citizen copium

[@dumbass1611]

Citizen Con this last weekend showed off server meshing and the replication layer (the early stages of what you started talking about). We'll see if it can actually be implemented.

[@mr_confuse]

I bet the $40 I have invested in the game that, at the very least, SQ42 will be a banger of a game. If it's not? Oh well lol, it literally can't be worse than MW3 and still is cheaper :)

[@PutYourQuarterUpGaming]

Every scam con for like last 5 years has done that. Like, don’t y’all ever get sick of perpetual hurry up and wait, let alone, least a tiny bit suspicious? 😂 It’s all a pipedream.

[@dumbass1611]

@@PutYourQuarterUpGaming I’m not sure I can call it a scam. While the monetization of the game is fucking atrocious, the development is still chugging along. While it’s taken far longer than it should due to absolute shit management, they are making absolutely brand new tech (notably the way they are doing server meshing which was shown off this year at citcon to have been working) for any video game. And while they’ve had shit citizen cons, this last year we saw a different kind of citizen con with none of the panels being touched by their predatory marketing team. It was all panels by the devs showing off what they were doing for the next year without a single “This is what we are believing we’ll do in the future” and all of it being “this is what we are doing for next year and here’s the work we have on it.” If you’ve been following the development at all, you’d notice a very different tone from “imagine these features” to “look at the progress of these features you’ve been waiting years for” so idk man we’ll see over the next year. It’s already come a long way even from 2020, this year seems like a major boost in the gameplay and mechanics. With constant progress, it’ll eventually be a good game. And I’m not saying it needs to be FINISHED, it just needs to realistically become something fun to play for it to be worth it.

[@elkneto4334]

update 5 months later, the replication layer is not in the game and on the test servers it replicates server crashes. and about server meshing, we will never hear from it again

[@moronic5805]

well well that video didn't age quite well to this point. Let's see in another 2 years when they release!

[@LizzyKoopa]

My first interaction in this game was drinking coffee in the little apartment you start in. My character was shot out of the space station and went into hyperspace. On my next attempt, I avoided the coffee and stuck to the decafe. wanted to be like Futurama and deliver packages, I honestly like the hauling concept (( when it works)) I loaded my ship and tried taking off. suddenly my ship just spazzed and launched directly into a building exploding. I suddenly have a warrant not for my arrest. I try to figure out how to get it removed and low and behold it's a whole chore on its own. after about a month, I did become a delivery driver, but I am delivering coke and space weed. I just wanted to deliver pizzas or something, but star citizen made me a criminal who can only drink de-cafe.

[@sigmamale6128]

Do actual cargo trading, box missions are ass tbh

[@maineman5757]

Pain

[@milhousevanhoutan9235]

That sounds like a 10/10 late stage capitalism life experience simulator tbh.

[@SkintSNIPER262]

@@milhousevanhoutan9235 You have no clue what capitalism is

[@bellissimo4520]

I went to the hangar deck to check out my ship. Crouched down so that I could crawl under my ship to inspect it from every angle. Only to get immediately stuck in the floor with the lower half of my body. Then a while later, with a different kind of ship, when I tried to enter the ship in some elevator, I was immediately killed. Also, on the starting space station, there were several NPCs either standing in a corner, staring at the wall, or T-posing on a chair... truly amazing technology!

[@j4yd34d5]

The word “scam” has been banned in their twitch channel for years, make of that what you will…. 😂

[@Jo_Rogan]

scam citizen

[@actioncat5333]

Fraud citizen

[@profitabundance70707]

Nuff said.

[@Chevifier]

From the perspective of a honest game developer I wouldnt want scam to be associated with my game, Not saying theyre an honest game developer😂

[@agenerichuman]

​​@@Chevifier I think the point is the fact "scam" gets mentioned so much in the chat they feel the need to ban it. Most games don't have that issue.

[@hot_soup4319]

I love the comments like "Good things take time." Like, my man, it has been 10 years and it's still in Alpha. How much longer do you want to wait? Here's some perspective, Starfield comes out in less than a month, it took $200 million with about 500+ people. Star Citizen has a team of 600+ people and has made a total of $500 million dollars toward development and they haven't made it out of Alpha yet. Sure one is an MMO with a whole universe and the other is a Singleplayer game spanning only 1000 planets, but c'mon man stop smoking the copium and just admit you're a victim of the Sunk-Cost Fallacy. Let it go, be free.

[@dirtyshinobii]

It costs way more then $200 million, more around $600 million mark.. if you factor in all the wages, contractors, ect ect 200 million only buys you about 2-3 years of development

[@thorscape3879]

Granblue Fantasy Relink began development some time before its announcement in 2016, saw delay after delay, lost Platinum as a co-developer, and still released before Star Citizen this year. Its initial release date was 2018 for persepctive.

[@LoveHandle4890]

Sometimes the smartest thing you can do is give up.

[@vaztak4659]

Not really more respect comes from not giving up and restarting when nothing works out

[@joshucamereeno8155]

@@vaztak4659 lol. Lmao. What’s the definition of insanity again brother?

[@chilbiyito]

​@@vaztak4659 other people have delivered more with less money in less time

[@Zeropointill]

I've got a ship or something in that game like 10 years ago and I still haven't even tried it yet.

[@frogfarmer3551]

As a former RuneScape player, I agree 100%

[@volundrfrey896]

It's crazy that a game can make over half a billion without ever releasing.

[@Mootkins]

Could be worse. You could be Beyond Good and Evil 2... At least Star Citizen is SOMEWHAT playable.

[@andrewryan2928]

Well it is in a playable state sooo

[@AnDr3w066]

@@Mootkins its not and its a scam

[@Mystic_Flex]

​@@andrewryan2928 Well we found the bozo who keeps giving money to a company who clearly doesn't care about their players

[@andrewryan2928]

@@Mystic_Flex here is the big difference Star citizen is actually good Blizzard, activision, EA, Square enix are not

[@Jacob-gs5ov]

He didn't hold the line...

[@DaBlaccGhost]

Inventory is still broken Fucking getting worse fps 8 years later 3 gpus later I'm over it man

[@StayAtHomeAstronaut]

Thank you Chris Roberts and CIG for single-handedly keeping the UK financially above water.

[@jotunheim5302]

CIG is based in the US ....

[@alexmcclay8152]

@@jotunheim5302 They have 5 studios around the world and purchased a massive office in Manchester, so they are definitely stimulating the economy over there.

[@StayAtHomeAstronaut]

@@jotunheim5302 They are a global developer. As you said they're headquartered in the US in Los Angeles but have teams throughout North America and Europe. Among these they have a 1000 person capacity studio in Manchester, UK. It was mainly a hyperbolic joke about it being one of the few things making money in my country.

[@jotunheim5302]

@@StayAtHomeAstronaut I'm from the UK as well and yeah we need all the money makers we can get here.

[@EnderPearlRs]

​@@jotunheim5302 You have a license for sharing that opinion, mate?

[@SeniorSmellyPants]

I feel like i should stop what I'm doing, go back to school, get 10 years of AAA game dev experience, and then get a job at Cloud Imperium Games and work on Star Citizen.

[@ozordiprince9405]

Go for it man. It's not like they're gonna complete the game before you get the chance to do all that stuff. There's some good money in it and a nob existent deadline for the game

[@RusticRonnie]

When you are on it you can make yandare simulator

[@stopicantaim6920]

Bro I already have my intern ship lined up I start work next week at CIG ill probably never have to look for another job

[@SeniorSmellyPants]

@@stopicantaim6920 you'll be a vet by the time I get there. Can't wait to hear your war stories about the years you spent on making the in ship coffee machines perfect.

[@stopicantaim6920]

@@SeniorSmellyPants When I was in college I interview one of the members on the ship team for my class that man spent 4 months animating doors for ships. God I hope I get the coffee machine

[@REX11522]

I was considering playing it, but then i read that they do wipes that delete all the progres of every player, imagine after delivering countless packages, get fu*ked in the ass and get all your progress deleted ☠️☠️☠️

[@Neanderthal75]

I completely regret giving my $50 to them 10 years ago. I wonder how long they can keep doing this, until someone will feel shaken down enough to launch a lawsuit against them.

[@heartwormskillcats8357]

Agree, SC is a complete scam.

[@rybuds47]

You havent been able to play 50$ woth of SC in all that time? I got 100 bucks in back in 2017 and ive played probably 500 hrs. So i feel like i broke even. Pretty lame how its been going though.

[@darklyvintage9147]

You could've given them 30 dollars instead

[@hangglidingmontana6134]

I spent 45, 10 yrs ago. Felt ripped off....until i saw starfield launch. Redownloaded, and pledged another 80 to star citizen. Nothing comes close...

[@REX11522]

​@@rybuds47did you get all ur progress and ships deleted? ☠️☠️☠️

[@Ecselsiour]

There's always a chance it will be done; maybe when the AI jobpocalypse hits, a 90 year old Chris can replace his private island workforce with a couple super computers and an AI - then when a full planet and everything on it gets done per day, our great grandkids might finally live the dream of being a space plumber, working for the descendants of those who inherited all cruise liners and battleships.

[@zazzyboy8592]

I’d love for this to happen but I think he already can access an AI like that but he won’t because he wants to keep raking in money

[@murdercide4967]

I'm high too

[@LibertarianGalt]

Hahahaha it will never be finished. Endless goalpost moving will see the game bankrupt the company before they get close to releasing 😂😂😂

[@zazzyboy8592]

@@LibertarianGalt they are nowhere near bankrupt. His original goal for kickstarter was 500k. He’s at over 1000x that now

[@LibertarianGalt]

@@zazzyboy8592 so? Wheres the original game he promoted?

[@rustyshackleford234]

Imagine buying a SINGLE SHIP for 2,000$. That’s how much I bought my car for.

[@billywashere6965]

I mean, some people buy paintings for a lot more than that... Some people buy furniture for a lot more than that, which they don't even sit on.... What exactly is your point? Some people spend disposable income on things they like that other people may not like?

[@benneb4113]

At least they have those things.

[@Mootkins]

The $2000 ships are your cruiser/carrier ships where they can crew 15+ people. While one person can dump $2000 on a ship, it's more meant to appeal for organizations with everyone chipping a little in. A solo player can play just fine in a $60 ship.

[@Eric-mc1jf]

@@billywashere6965 they dont drop $2000 for a concept of a couch that could possibly exist

[@rustyshackleford234]

@@billywashere6965 I’m frugal lmao

[@RoastMePls]

Nailed it in the latter part of the video: Chris Roberts isn't accountable to anyone. The CEO of Coca-Cola isn't the owner of Coca-Cola. Tim Cook is the CEO of Apple but not the owner of it. There's investors, shareholders and boards of directors that can call out a CEOs bullshit, there's always someone the CEO has to answer to for any bad business decisions. Roberts is both owner and CEO with noone to hold him accountable. He's living his dream as head of a gaming studio, getting paid a CEOs salary, he's never finishing this game because there's no need to... He keeps promising, suckers keep paying him, then he promises some more and gets paid again. 600 million later and still a barely playable alpha to show for it... I kinda feel bad for the chumps that gave Roberts their money but then again, they had it coming.

[@ginebro1930]

If you want Star Citizen play X4, this is just a scam.

[@ValenceFlux]

I bought an Avenger for $40 just to check out this game. I crashed it and woke up in a hospital where I got lost trying to find the exit. Eventually I made my way out of the building to the transports. I figured I can figure this game out I'll give it a chance. When the gates to the transport opened I fell through the map some how. Great start. I tried to record the whole thing to upload but this game guzzled all my ram haha.

[@billywashere6965]

Sounds like maybe you didn't have it installed on an SSD. World data has to be streamed in real-time, and you need a VERY fast M2 or SSD to handle it otherwise, it doesn't stream in fast enough and you end up in the situation you just described.

[@ValenceFlux]

@@billywashere6965 Ok interesting and good to know. I had it installed on a Seagate Nytro 1351 SSD.

[@robertseymour1432]

@@ValenceFlux If you played recently, the free-fly event always messes the servers up. Wait until 19.1 comes out and see if it helps. I was lagging so much during free fly.

[@Underb00t]

Get a refund under the 30 day window just in case

[@kvasir8931]

Sounds like youre just too poor to afford enough ram. Everything below 1TB of ram is pleb territory.

[@svenwagner4717]

Star Citizen is what happens when every idea coming up in a team meeting gets explored, from the ones of the lead producer to those of the janitor. Add to that the PTSD a creative had of past projects torturing him with deadlines and deciding to never have any for his future project and here we are at a bloated money/time sink of epic proportions

[@producerevan88]

please, the guys a scammer.

[@arandomcommenter412]

@@producerevan88 Okay, “Evan”

[@GamerLogicalArt]

oh come most janitors are probably saying how the fuck have you not finished this game yet.

[@thrackerzod6097]

Even if all of that is true, that doesn't explain this mess, this game has taken so long even if they implemented the ideas of an entire small town the thing should be long done by now with the funding it has. Over ambition is the least of the problems here, and I would argue with the state of the game, isn't a problem here since I see no ambition.

[@fallingintime]

​@@thrackerzod6097 feels like it has no direction really.

[@the_other_jackal]

A few buddies of mine from university went on to work at cloud imperium back in 2018. Now I understand why they were so excited about it.

[@hudgypudgy2960]

You should get in touch with them, potentially provide GREAT insight

[@the_other_jackal]

@@hudgypudgy2960 that’s a good idea…

[@emberparadox458]

I tried playing this about a year or two ago when they did a free weekend. The controls were horrendous and trying to do even the most basic movements was unintuitive. When I finally managed to get to my ship, the part of the game that I actually wanted to do, it was a nightmare. There was no tutorial when I played and I had absolutely no idea how to fly my ship. I think I managed to lift off into a hover above the deck but that was really it. I didn't know how to retract the gear, engage the thrusters, or anything else and I could not for the life of me figure out the control scheme. At that point, I logged off, uninstalled the game, and fired back up Elite Dangerous where I was able to easily fly my ship wherever and however I wanted. Grand total play time for Star Citizen: approx 10-20 minutes before logging off an uninstalling. Total play time for Elite Dangerous: 7626.3 hrs and counting and still enjoying it to this day. If you're considering spending money on Star Citizen, or Starfield for that matter, I'd suggest looking into either Elite Dangerous or No Man's Sky first. Both of these options combined are either the same price or even cheaper than either Star Citizen or Starfield and are far superior games in my opinion. Yes the graphics for them might not be as clean and highly detailed as SC or SF, but they're still good and the story/content/enjoyment factor for either far supersedes either SC or SF as well as being far more long-lasting in terms of how much time you're happy to put into them.

[@rileyflack8010]

so you logged in and magically expected to know the controls without looking at the rather robust keybindings menu clearly labelled in the settings? I'm never gonna tell anyone to "play" the "game" as it is currently, but that is a ridiculous criticism to level at a "game" you practically refused to engage with. Also the free weekends are pretty ass, and the PU as a whole is pretty ass right now, but complaining about controls when you clearly made no effort to understand them is pretty meeeeh.

[@tatybara]

@@rileyflack8010 bro thats so sad youymaking excuses for the lack of a tutorial by telling people to read the settings page. the developers would be embarrassed to see that post

[@joshuashepherd7133]

You're probably one of those "Shoot myself in the foot" type of people, who uncheck options like 'Show control hints" as soon as you can. Then freak out and rage because you don't know how to do anything. You go back to whats familiar because you don't have the capacity to learn anything new, or learn anything on your own without extensive handholding and guardrails.

[@emberparadox458]

@@joshuashepherd7133 So first, I didn't "freak out" about anything. I said the controls were very unintuitive, it made for horrible gameplay for me, which was unenjoyable, and thus chose to depart from the game and not spend any money on it. I don't know if you've ever played Elite Dangerous before but there is zero handholding involved beyond the absolute basics of how to fly your ship and later a few small control instructions for when on foot when Odyssey came out. This is why so many new players end up calling the Fuel Rats, Hull Seals, or NEWP for help when they first start out. The vast bulk of what you do in Elite you have to figure out yourself or go through tutorials if you get really frustrated, and even then there is still a lot you have to figure out yourself. However, a very basic tutorial on the ship controls is far from hand-holding. I don't go into a game expecting that I need to go into the controls menu first and completely memorize every single keybinding just to even get started with the game on a basic level, and I seriously doubt many other people who sink money into this game would expect the same either.

[@mirandamanga9083]

@@rileyflack8010I mean sure, if you want to do that then fine. But don’t expect new players to stay around, that’s like telling a kid to learn math by leaving a textbook on your desk and expecting them to come up and take it without prompting.

[@Spumoon]

What I'll say in CIG's defense is they do a metaverse much more effectively than Meta. You actually feel the tedium of living, rather than existing as a cartoon torso.

[@citizenerased7214]

Lol

[@craniumssuperburger7749]

This youtube comment is realer than my Credit Score.

[@Bootchair]

Still have yet to see people standing on chairs exclusively at a fast food restaurant in real life

[@arandomcommenter412]

@@Bootchair Happens all the time for me, you must live in a bad part of town.

[@davellii6309]

Real, my first 50 hours exploring and discovering shit was an absolute blast. For the little amount of content it has, its incredibly immersive (as long as you dont encounter one of many bugs). After 50 hours you realize how tedious and broken it is, alt f4, test out the next patch for a couple hours, repeat.

[@zariavalkirian3569]

Im 28 now and i remember me and my friends being hyped about this back in high school. Now most of us are too old to even have time to play a game like this. When you have a full time job or a family, we don't exactly have time to have a second life in star citizen anymore. The development of this game is taking so long that we will probably never play this game together. We had plenty of free time to play this game together back then but now we have obligations. Its very sad.

[@thatlonzoguy]

29 here, sucks don't it

[@liselotteline8596]

Some backers probably died waiting for this game.

[@liselotteline8596]

​@Yuck Foutube I scrolled to some comments below and someone wrote, that they wanted to play the game with their friend, but their friend passed. Someone answered that their health declined and that they probably won't be alive if the game would ever be fully released. It's just sad.

[@batman_2004]

69 here. I agree.

[@damiresq]

Kinda my story, when i first saw that cgi cyberpunk clip released, i never though my future wife will buy the game for my birthday 😂

[@GamerMarine89]

I will say this game is amazing... when it works, it's such a cool idea, it's also very fun... when it works. My first time playing I was stuck in New Babbage because the lifts wouldn't work. Then my ship wouldn't spawn. When I finally got it working exploring caves with friends and experiencing weird weather on the different moons. It's so great and has so much potential. I hope this game eventually comes out, I'll keep my hopes low but still keeping hopes for it.

[@fritzhaselnuss7852]

when bugs get you excited and you fall in love with something over its shortcomings you know you are not the most reliable witness to a products quality :)

[@GamerMarine89]

@fritzhaselnuss7852 what? I'm not falling in love with the bugs. The bugs ruin the game, it's not a full release though so it's expected like any game that's not fully out. I love tarkov but I fucking hate the bugs and server issues. I can like the concept and idea of a project while not liking and calling out the bugs.

[@elkneto4334]

@@GamerMarine89 lets talk again when they shat on you for another ten years

[@Vaffi]

I'd love a new video about Star Citizen in a year from now. CIG set a new record when it comes to promisses with this years citizen con 2 month ago. SQ42 is "feature complete" and tons of devs are coming back to Star Citizen to impliment the feature they've made for SQ42. 2024 might be THE year for SC... or just another year with broken promisses.

[@oicmorez4129]

The worst thing about it all is that the demo you played looked fun. If this game is finished in 2056, I'd probably really enjoy playing it.

[@zDemoGODz]

Lol considering how long pyro is taking to add, 2056 seems like wishful thinking. Every time something big is supposed to drop we get a delay, half-assed excuse and then a delay for the delay lmao.

[@donmega5202]

@@zDemoGODz The excuses for delays is because they didn't anticipate the growth of GPUs and the slow development of CPUs, as well as changes in graphical fidelity and rendering techniques (see the transition of streaming LODs to Nanite in current days). They're trying to keep up and it bit them in the ass for awhile.

[@zDemoGODz]

@@donmega5202 that sounds like the stupidest excuse ever. They didnt anticipate computers getting faster, so they are taking longer to make the game a laggy, buggy piece of unoptimised rubbish? I have a ryzen 7 5800 and a 3070, 32gb ram and im getting 50-70fps.

[@donmega5202]

@@zDemoGODz You don't get game development. You're a consumer, not a developer. I develop games and from my standpoint they made a mistake by assuming CPUs could handle their lack of poly culling. Thing is, current day CPUs cannot and will not. The game has a lot of draw call issues that also need to be resolved, something that was very common ten years ago. Yeah, mismanagement lent to the game taking this long to get anywhere but I've seen more action recently than I've ever seen in this game's development.

[@mbg4681]

@@donmega5202 >> You don't get game development. Ah yes, the mating call of the Star Citizen zealot. I haven't heard it in _minutes._ >> You're a consumer, not a developer. I develop games and from my standpoint they made a mistake by assuming CPUs could handle their lack of poly culling. They made a mistake by not releasing SC in 2014 like they were overprepaid to. >> Thing is, current day CPUs cannot and will not. The game has a lot of draw call issues that also need to be resolved, something that was very common ten years ago. SC is basically Elite Dangerous + BF2042. It contains precisely NO unprecedented features. The only reason it underperforms is that it is poorly managed. >> Yeah, mismanagement lent to the game taking this long to get anywhere but I've seen more action recently than I've ever seen in this game's development. Yeah, we saw object persistence bring SC to its knees. I guess I can't blame them for never releasing the game; they're clearly incompetent.

[@lootmaster1337]

so i can have a 2 week holiday or i can buy a digital ship in a video game, what a time to be alive

[@bitrunner2000]

you can have a 2 week holiday for $45 ??? 'cause that's how much a starter package costs...

[@alexlamar676]

@@bitrunner2000 and honestly this game wont be finished until they run out of money same thing that happened with freelancer

[@goopah]

@@bitrunner2000 Sure you can. Just make sure you have your rent and utilities pre-paid first, oh and a fridge full of food, then get your $45 starter pack, and proceed to spend two weeks rooted in front of your monitor. I meant that in jest, but you know, it might actually be less stressful than a RL vacation.

[@lootmaster1337]

@@bitrunner2000 i mean the 2000 buko one he posted in the video. For 45 i can't even survive on cup noodles thanks to inflation

[@rattapoomkotchapong1674]

Truly. we are all blessed with choices.

[@AJDraws]

They ALREADY have more than enough to just start adding a campaign with story missions, to populate the world with creatures, etc. It's baffling how they didn't just do that already. The game is the best looking space exploration game ever. Just add missions with deeper npcs. If this had missions like Starfield, this game would destroy almost everything on the market. But they have to draw out development and develop it deliberately at the slowest possible pace to milk it for more than it's worth.

[@rmpyro]

They need replication layer and server meshing for that, they are currently testing it on the latest public test universe server. So next version might have it in. Everyone might not like the new solar system they are releasing in 4.0 later because of pvp. But like you said, game will be more like you want it to be when they have server meshing working, and they can add animals, new missions and stuff without blowing up the server. Without server meshing they even had to remove a planet so they could add new events and stuff. NPCs on ground are usually broken because they don't have server meshing, alot of ppl are angry because they cant fix that. But it wont be fixed until they have replication layer and server meshing in game. If server meshing works like they want to, then they can sell the tech to other game companies and it will revolutionize mmo gaming. The first versions of it might be broken until several patches when they polish it more.

[@MPSmaruj]

Being an avid fan of AtomicShrimp I had a smile on my face watching all the ship prices being shown in the infamous currency of "Dollars United States Dollars", i.e.: they had both the dollar sign in the front and USD in the back. Real professional look for a half-a-billion project.

[@AtomicPiggly]

Yeah but AtomicPiggly is better.

[@snooganslestat2030]

Kindly sir provide us with all of your details so our UN representative can arrange courier to personally deliver the game. 😂

[@MPSmaruj]

​@@snooganslestat2030 Which details need I provide specifically? The kind I should never share with a stranger on the internet perchance?

[@SoulReaverVidView]

I haven't given them any money, but I have been following this game since it was announced. Turned from a hope for a great game, to eating popcorn and watching the dumpster fire, to wow this is just sad now.

[@zoranhome]

best description

[@JaniceHope]

That's exactly why thought. I would probably love to play the single-player game but I don't like MMOs so I watched what happened.... and it's... not good. *laughs*

[@michael15637]

Same.

[@sokar_rostau]

I'm in the same position as you. If you want to see how sad Star Citizen really is, go and drop $20 on Spacebourne 2. Aside from being single-player, this Early Access Alpha release already has most of the stuff SC promised a decade ago AND IT WAS ALL MADE BY ONE GUY without half a billion dollars in funding.

[@kalackninja]

i remember getting in arguments with people more than a decade ago about how graphics aren't everything and having a fun game without bugs was always a better alternative while being screeched down with the statement "look at how many polygons the pilot has" as if that's going to make the space sim any better. 11 years later we have no star citizen even though it got 500 million and starsector is developed by a handful of people and does a lot of things citizen pretended it was going to do. To bad the lack of polygons made building an empire using illegal alpha ai cores just an awful and unfun experience.

[@tylereyman5290]

With how long it's taking them to develop this game, my star citizen account is going to end up being a family heirloom passed down for generations to come.

[@Gerlaffy]

You can literally play it right now.

[@tylereyman5290]

@Gerlaffy what makes you think I don't play it.

[@Gerlaffy]

@@tylereyman5290 that you seem to suggest your account needs to be passed down generations as if it still won't have been used...

[@uliseto]

Or sell it in the grey market

[@okctrl]

@@Gerlaffy ur delusional.

[@DiegoMonroyF]

If you've been in the software industry for some time you start noticing that it's pretty clear when a project has so many red flags that at some point it will collapse unless something dramatic is done to it--usually, replacing the leadership team or the end goal of the project. That dramatic change is almost always done by the people who run the money--either investors or the C-suite. Star Citizen, however, does NOT have any kind of "people with money" that want their investment to return, as everything has been crowdfunded. If you add that to all the red flags, you clearly notice that there's NO incentive to change how things are run, and that at the current pace they are simply working on a project that is already dead. It's a zombie that feeds on backers who have no leverage on how the project is run. The equivalent of an all-powerful dictator that runs a country based on mystical powers and unlimited oil revenues, completely unaware of how to actually run a society. There is NO feasible way that this gets successfully delivered, unless the company is bought and the leadership team is replaced.

[@dennist6393]

Well said, it's a perpetual ponzi scheme. Kind of scary if you actually think about it.

[@exquisitefails]

See you back soon

[@griknott]

I honestly hope they hit a billion for shits and giggles at this point

[@soapbox435]

at this point they will

[@galliumgames3962]

They probably will Q2 or Q3 in 2024, not even that long from now. It’s already far more than either avatar movie, which is an insane amount of money.

[@stunt94u]

​@@galliumgames3962almost as much as both combined(budget to make, market AND release)

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

@@galliumgames3962 GTA6 is over 2 billion, Destiny Halo and Anthem all cost 500 mill SC and 42 are 2 games, plus the modes, so more like 250 million each, same cost as GTA5 which took 5 years SC has taken 7 But go on, expert

[@juh9870_projects]

@@Uncanny_Mountain But GTA5 was actually delivered. You are throwing argument around about other AAA titles, and considering rate of income, they will really hit that billion in 2024, and two billions one or two more years down the line, and something tells me that game is not even close to be released in that timeframe

[@forrandomsites3336]

Star citizen is basically a live service tech demo at this point.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

What projects are you comparing to? Please give examples I'll wait 😂😂😂😂

[@blueshky]

@@Uncanny_Mountain hey how much money have you given them? jk you work for em.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

@@blueshky A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man". I've noticed that's all you parrots have 🐦

[@johndor7793]

@@Uncanny_Mountain You're paying for a game that'll be swamped with bugs for probably a literal decade.

[@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

​​​​@@johndor7793 Pay no mind to that window licker. He literally sucks CIG off in any video he can find.

[@jamesclark7380]

We might actually colonize distant stars for a lower budget before this thing is finished.

[@inforunners]

Well this video aged like fine milk. Exe

[@loudmoon-rk3ct]

The game is still a mess lol, whats with these fanboys? I played for hours today and the npcs we're acting weird almost everyone on the mobiglass at all times, quest marker issues, s42 still has a while to be released, performance is not up to standard on the absolute highest end hardware.

[@insider.trading]

The game is still a mess lol, whats with these fanboys? I played for hours today and the npcs we're acting weird almost everyone on the mobiglass at all times, quest marker issues, s42 still has a while to be released, performance is not up to standard on the absolute highest end hardware.@@loudmoon-rk3ct

[@RuSosan]

It didn't though. New bullshit doesn't mean CIG suddenly accomplished something. They just had to swap from low effort BS to mid effort BS because even frigging Bethesda outperformed them, lol.

[@MasterCode86]

At this point, star citizen backers should be able to deduct their payments to star citizen as tax deductibles, this is just charity at this point. Also for those curious, the most expensive ship in star citizen to the posting of this video is the javelin and it cost 3,000 USD

[@jfarrar19]

Honestly I'm just waiting for a star citizen ship to cost more than an actual plane.

[@dorugoramon0518]

@@jfarrar19 In the future when man has colonized space, some archaeologists will dig up a PC with star citizen on it, boot it up, and then wonder why the heck people were paying so much for 3d models of spaceships that are sold used for about 50 spacebucks

[@Dracounguis]

Star Citizen is like Schrodinger's cat. It is a scam and not a scam at the same time. We won't know which one until the end and we open the box. 😉

[@Whiskeyagogo519]

Best answer

[@JMcIntosh1]

As someone who has a $21k account. Solid take my dude.

[@Valter_David]

Except we'll never get to open the box

[@theod4660]

So, we will never know

[@ereder1476]

since the grey market is the most complex and functionnal aspect of the product ... i think it goes into the scam category

[@AAX1975]

Man, this video looks real bad now that CitizenCon has come and gone. Both Squadron 42 and Star Citizen look incredible and you can quite literally see all the work that has gone into it.

[@disgaealikerasapOG]

Did they announce a beta?

[@hunt8709]

​@@disgaealikerasapOGnope😂

[@loudmoon-rk3ct]

i just jumped in and it's still a huge mess, what are you on about?

[@bigdaddydons6241]

Some good ol classic haunted gaming, good to see Muta back at his roots

[@myroc1]

SC is like a Mushroom trip. 50/50 could be a horrifying experience or a blast, It will be difficult to do simple tasks, each session is a guaranteed six hour commitment, and it isn't habit forming no matter how addicting it feels at times.

[@Jasonmakesvideo]

😂 excellent analogy!

[@AwesometownUSA]

yeah but the mushroom trip is only gonna cost you like $20, maybe $30, not ~$1,250 (depending on how many sci-fi pictures you want to look at)

[@nickandres7829]

@@AwesometownUSA You can get a starter package for like $45. If they didn't reset the game world so often, it would actually be pointless to buy ships with money.

[@SnowTerebi]

@@AwesometownUSA 😂 People still believe this bs?

[@zDemoGODz]

I keep telling people, star citizen is not about the game or gameplay. Its about the friends and experiences you make along the way. Given most of those experiences were caused by bugs and us trying to "defeat" the bugs by finding workarounds.

[@eduardoborges506]

The thing is, you cant defend having such a long dev cycle. Eventualy all the code that was writen 10 years ago will become unbarely outdated and need fixing. This game hasnt released and prob alreayd has a ton of spagheti code.

[@fingmoron]

Bro I actually can't imagine how unreadable it all is, imagine hiring a bunch of fresh outta uni plebs who just spend a year producing a bunch of disorganised gibberish and then are replaced by the next schmuck.

[@Akkbar21]

It’s mismanaged and near, But not a scam

[@ChrisHoopes1]

Nothing screws with a developer’s brain more than making them look at their own old code. It’s a cataclysm of embarrassment, confusion, and frustration.

[@Akkbar21]

@@ChrisHoopes1 it shouldn’t be always. Up your discipline then.

[@spinnenente]

code is not milk. A lot of modern programs run on 30+ year code still doing important jobs. The issue here is mismanagement and scope as well as feature creep increasing the workload to infinity. They didn't even manage to release a second star system and they announced it years ago. This continual fractal of new features also requires rework of older features and a lot debugging so that the progress is almost immensurably slow.

[@TechCarnivore1]

Update! Update!

[@Fazeshyft]

Server wipes inevitably negating every ounce of my progress, the general broken nature of the combat AI, and networking issues causing massive lag and server crashes prevent me from wanted to get invested. Why bother? I'll lose it all to a bug or an update anyway. Holding out until they actually start to move the needle.

[@Fazeshyft]

The last time I played, I glitched into prison, only gaining a crime stat because I TRESPASSED INTO THE PRISON! Could not escape, got tired of the prison break route, and gave up.

[@sephiroth668]

The one time I tried playing this game was a few years ago, I tried one of their free play events and jumped in to the game. The immersion is definitely up there among some of the better immersive experiences I have partaken of, but after an hour of running around like a chicken with my head cut off in the hub world I spawned in, I couldn't figure out how to feed and water my avatar and soon died of thirst and starvation. I did find restaurants, but couldn't figure out how to actually get them to allow me to place an order.

[@itsnoburu]

The way you do it you hold F and interact with the food. Just look at it while holding F and click on the Buy option.... just don't forget to take your helmet off LOL And put it back in after you're done, so you don't EVA out of your ship in the middle of the void and die without oxygen AHAH Many such cases.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Best played with friends, or ask for a guide on the global chat

[@butsargeee]

@@Uncanny_Mountain everything is best played with friends

[@MrRoblcopter]

Why didn't you just ask for help lol, there's a lot of helpful people in there.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

@@butsargeee what I said obviously triggered you that you had to virtue signal with a strawman A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man". It's literally all your cult has As I've continued to prove, time and time and time again 😂

[@vrabo3026]

Meanwhile, I bought No Man's Sky in 2020 because I got the impression that it was "finally finished" and then another content update arrived. And another.. and another... and another... and another.... and the game in it's current state is nothing like what it was when I got it. And yesterday, 3 years after my purchase, Sean Murray announced *another* update arriving in a few days. Best game purchase of my life.

[@anthonykarnes6804]

NMS has become a near masterpiece

[@doctorgoodson]

Fucking love that game

[@NEOgeek402]

This is the issue though that game sucks IMO. They lied, and they are not doing anything new. SC does things no other game does.

[@ThaKoalaKing]

Never played the game but I love reading this. That launch was so much of a disaster the fact that they overcorrected so hard that you're still getting content today is awesome.

[@konradzaleski860]

@@NEOgeek402 wrong and star citizen stinks

[@ThailandDantotherescue]

RSI got my 45$ for a game that I couldnt even log into for almost a month. They will never see a penny from me. Bethesda has never let me down... Never.. Not even FO76 which I bought this year for 11$... Modders will import all the Star Citizen ships into Starfield... and anything else worth having... or just recreate Star Citien, but working using the Starfield engine. Plus, give it a year or two and you will see an online mod or version of Starfield announced.

[@darthgamer9861]

what absolutely infuriates me about this whole thing is that if this shit was pulled by a AAA studio? There would be no debate. They’d be raked over the coals for this with gamers calling for their heads but when a “poor indie” dev pulls this, suddenly we get people defending them. eff that

[@TricksterRad]

GTA V was indev for 5 years, tech-wise didn't do anything ground-breaking. Starfield was indev for 8 years, it's basically NMS but worse. Elite Dangerous technically released 2 years after development started, but it can easily be argued that it still isn't really finished development. Horizons released another year later, finally allowing ships to land on *some* planets, and Odyssey released another 5 years later, finally allowing Pilots to disembark their ships and walk around planetary settlements and small station hubs, not failing to charge players for every single one of those expansions, making total ED cost for early adopters around $150, though you can buy the whole thing now for around $50 - notice the complete lack of ship interiors, explorable space stations and cityscapes. Meanwhile Star Citizen, coming in with loads of groundbreaking tech like the persistent universe, or server/instance meshing, while that same studio also works on 40 hours worth of single player story content for another, albeit related, game? Yeah, I think I'm patient enough to wait 20 years for that. Better than rushing it and getting another Cyberpunk 2077 anyhow.

[@miked7728]

The saddest part is that if this game doesn't get released, another game like it is very unlikely to ever come out. The publisher-less nature of developing "niche" games like this one is a double edged sword.

[@sc2sc286]

Actually there have already been other attempts to make a game like this but they died.

[@cementbox4430]

@@sc2sc286 EVE Online is kinda the same but way too different.

[@sc2sc286]

@@cementbox4430 I was actually thinking of starbase

[@djJaXx101]

I wonder how Starfield will compare.

[@satanspy]

@@djJaXx101 it wont.

[@CursedStudio]

As a frequent player of star citizen I heard the word 30K and I shivered in fear For context a Code 30000 is a server wide crash when the Server FPS hit's Zero you might be running at 60 but the server itself being persistent will have it's own FPS FreeFly events which Muta was in are typically the buggiest times of the year with 30K's Crashes to desktop etc etc and I laughed when he mentioned the kraken.. I know people who have coughed up the 2200 USD

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

There are about 12 to 14 major ships in the backlog, most of them need multiple systems before they can justify their size and role in the verse. Apollo Orion Liberator Crucible Railen Odyssey BMM There are also about the same number of major features: Water / Weather Fire / extinguishers Pushpull / Bounty animations Engineering* Flight surfaces / driving rework Scanning / E warfare Maps / QT / markers Habs / Hangers / Roads* Munition / Armor Orbits/ Seasons As well as reworking four or five ships like the 600i, Caterpillar, modules etc We also know most of these mechanics* (not ships) will come with 3.20 By the time 42 is ready to launch we should already have Pyro and Nyx, bringing the total number of systems to 5 or 6. They will also have around 1400 staff, and the resources to focus on bringing all ships up to the current standards with the relevant mechanics and features, as well as assemble larger teams to focus on legacy ships that remain like the Galaxy, Perseus, Polaris and Nautilus

[@CursedStudio]

@@Uncanny_Mountain Absolute fact. You did forget the merchantman but some of those things you said I agree with 100% I did hear that weather will come soon bringing things like Thunderstorms on Hurston and Sandstorms on Daymar which as you said "most of these mechanics* (not ships) will come with 3.20 " When 42 Comes out we possibly will get all the other systems in the verse' like Sol Proxima Centari So on so forth as those systems were made in the earlier days of SQ42 which SQ42 is getting pretty close to the end I think they just need all of the Persistence online

[@benson4820]

I just met someone yesterday in game who has spent over 20,000 dollars on the game

[@CursedStudio]

@@benson4820 Rookie numbers lol.. but for real I know a few people who have spent about 45K.. People are maniacs lol

[@luciainvicta5553]

This is an example of where having a publisher would be a good thing, someone to keep them on track and hold them to due dates. Maybe my grandkids will be able to play the open beta

[@mastershep11n74]

no

[@JayColtMartin]

Ooph! That's how you get the next "No Man's Sky" or "Cyberpunk 2077" or "Diablo 4" release. No thank you. I would rather wait longer for an actually good game.

[@KoeSeer]

@@JayColtMartin how long is the tolerable. This game was made in 2012 and has been in development for 11 years. 11 years. If I had a newborn kid in that year, they're now a 5th grader.

[@user-ve8vx3tx7p]

Oh definitely not. I'm glad to wait publishers are shit. Cant name a single game that does anything even close to what the current alpha of star citizen does. Yall can hate on it all you want. Just don't buy it not sure why its existence bothers people so much. If you don't like it don't support it. Pretty damn simple honestly.

[@Xapheion101]

​@@user-ve8vx3tx7p"can't name a single game that does anything even close to the current alpha of star citizen" Maybe but at least other games release and are playable.

[@astrotraveler6998]

The best analogy for the way CIG are making this game is if you use a house analogy. CIG has built the walls, the roof and have staged the inside of the house. CIG now is making the foundation (tech) for the house. Now all the walls, roof and items in the house are broken and need remade for the foundation to fit.

[@CrimsonFIame]

Really shows how easy it is to exploit gamers. No wonder Activision/Blizzard gets away with so much

[@rusi6219]

A community of thirty year olds still playing games is immature? Shocking, never would think that to be the case.

[@shinski8114]

100 percent. So many suckers in this world

[@4badlisting650]

@@captainultraswagga 🤣 lmao tf?

[@matthewjones39]

What even are these top two replies?

[@Murasame13]

@@captainultraswagga That's like calling yourself a skater or a dancer if you skate or dance. It doesn't mean shit? Wtf are you on about?

[@kamikaze00007]

It's pretty clear they're never going to "finish" this game. Think about it. A few years more and they'll probably be announcing that they have to step up the graphics again or change engines "in order to keep up with modern standards". It's going to be an endless cat and mouse chase with this one. And then, the actual gameplay features just get drip-fed little-by-little.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question. Begging the question is also called arguing in a circle.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Meanwhile GTA6 cost over 2 billion, has been in development 15 years 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@l.palacio9076]

@@Uncanny_Mountain 🤓

[@Logan-zp8bi]

It reminds me of those adult Patreon games that have a free version and an updated patreon version. After an update you'll get the older patreon version if you play for free. But the trick is to hold out on updates as much as possible and avoid the 1.00 full release. Some of these games make 3,000$ month with one developer or artist.

[@sybslays2740]

​@Uncanny-yh8eh 1.68 billion and about 7 years of development idk where you got 15 years but that would mean gta 4 wasn't even a year old yet and they were working on 5 and eventually rdr2 wtf are you saying bro..

[@foxdavion6865]

A lot of the original dev team left after 2 years; They all decided to make a game together which had realistic goals, got it successfully kickstarted and released it after 18 months of development. I had a chat with a couple of them way back in 2015 during the game's alpha stage as well as (the game was Descent: Underground btw), they had some choice words to say about SC and none of them were pleasant, all these guys were pretty important members of the original SC dev team too btw; So the SC guys had to hire all new people to replace them. Then in 2016 there was the big data leak where half the original ships 3D models and most of the currently finished textures leaked onto the internet, prompting the dev team to redesign everything, losing 2 years of work. 90% of the original backing money was spent on setting up the business, printing shirts, those stupid metal badges and advertising the game at conventions as opposed to banking it to pay staff; They basically from that point onwards relied entirely on selling overpriced ship packages to keep the income flow going to pay the staff. Then in 2018 (at the cut off point for refunds) more than half the backers either called in refunds or back charged the company resulting in them going into debt and forcing them to lay off half the staff. Have no idea what has happened in the last 5 years since then. But I imagine the situation with the pandemic resulted in a lot of the company doing nothing.

[@GeorgeMonet]

The goals of Star Citizen were realistic, but fulfilling those goals required ability beyond what Roberts had.

[@RealKeetz]

Well, if that's not a ringing endorsment... Ahem. *Coughs*

[@zodicab6319]

I mean, if you spent more than $45 on this game, that's on you

[@l.palacio9076]

This game is gonna hangout until the point it becomes a true metaverse in VR like in 2050

[@wandereringshadow8658]

So it'll be dead and played by like 10 people?

[@Gawillamon]

This game will be released once everything that can be done in the game can be done in real life

[@zDemoGODz]

No this game is going to be "in development" until the transition to VR gaming is done and then just close down because of "lack of funding to transition into VR" . Mark my words. Even the user agreement has tons of obvious loop holes left in for them to close down without any refunds or repercussions.

[@Relativity404]

People will defend this game to their dying breath, but it feels more like you're paying for an expression of one man's dream rather a game that will ever be finished

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

[@Relativity404]

@@Uncanny_Mountain 10+ years of development, 500 million spent so far, with no end in sight or anything even approximating it. You're paying for a dream, not a game. Wake up

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

@@Relativity404 yes I'm very familiar with your copypasta memes that you can't back up with evidence But it's been 7 years, same as Starfield. Rust took 8 RDR2 9 And Cyberpunk 10 It's also TWO games, so $250 million each, RDR2 spent $350 million on advertising alone. RDR2 and Cyberpunk also had ten times the staff, and legacy code in an established Studio. For eg the budget for GTA6 is over $2 billion dollars, and started 13 years ago. What SC has done with so few staff and in such a short time is unprecedented in gaming history. Of course you can disagree, but you can't tell me the Dev stats for Starfield, or any other comparable title, because no other Studio releases them.

[@baldmista1907]

The first 8 years of development on star citizen have been slow to say the least. But the game is finally picking (and the recent updates have actually been good) up pace as CIG now has 4 development studios with 512 developers working on this massive project. This whole trend of hating on star citizen is bullshit and 90% of people who are hating on the game have never even fucking touched it. Why would they sink hundreds of millions of dollars in it to never release it? It’s the worst business model. This game would make them billions, of course they’re going to release it. Star citizen is a fun game. It’s visually stunning, has fun combat and the exploring and adventuring is like none other. Yeah there’s tons of bugs but you’ll have days where you’ll be able to run star citizen fine and others when you’ll be encountering game breaking bugs. It’s a love/hate situation and if you wanna get the game then get it and try it for your self, it has a 14 day refund policy which is nice. Don’t let these people (who 90% of them haven’t even touched the game) decide for you.

[@baldmista1907]

@@Uncanny_Mountain yeah most of these people don’t know what they’re talking about because they’re just following a trend to recite what everyone else is saying without actually being able to understand anything of what they’re saying.

[@Pwnytroller]

Welp, this didn’t age well.

[@loudmoon-rk3ct]

The game is still a mess lol, whats with these fanboys? I played for hours today and the npcs we're acting weird almost everyone on the mobiglass at all times, quest marker issues, s42 still has a while to be released, performance is not up to standard on the absolute highest end hardware.

[@idkusername2795]

@@loudmoon-rk3ct squadron 42 is now in its polish phase which I would guess will take them 2-3 years and after that the game will probably release and once released the sq42 dev team can help work on star citizen speeding up development a lot. For the npc it’s because at the moment the servers have to do a fuck ton of work, this will be fixed with server meshing which allows multiple servers to do the job that one server had to do before. (They show server meshing working during citcon so it should be implemented in a few months) The reason performance is still crap is because you do not sharpen a knife before shaping and hardening it, getting the performance good now in just a lot of additional work that would all be lost with changes they are going to make, it makes perfect sense, just the fact that they already have something that is somewhat playable is really cool, they didn’t need to make it work as it does now to develop it, but they wanted us to at least get a glimpse of it. Making games takes time and if they are making something so ambitious they should not rush. My guess is that star citizen will be getting optimized in 3-4 years or somewhere around there, but server meshing should already help a lot in the near future with crashes and lag.

[@RuSosan]

It did though. New bullshit doesn't mean CIG suddenly accomplished something. They just had to swap from low effort BS to mid effort BS because even frigging Bethesda outperformed them, lol.

[@idkusername2795]

@@RuSosan did u even check out the gameplay of both starfield and star citizen? Because it doesn’t seem like you did, once you have done that come back and you can give an honest review. (Doesn’t mean I want u to find SC better, I just want u too look at both, and if you don’t like both games why are you even here) I don’t see the reasoning on why people like you who haven’t spent a single second looking at the games go comment about it and how it is bullshit. My review of both games is: - Starfield as a fully released game has some cool stuff like the physics engine, but it also lacks a lot in multiple area and feels like it got published before being polished or even finished. - Star citizen as an in development game has quite a big amount of problems, but the gameplay and graphics I already find 100 times more enjoyable also just to watch, it feels like something they are putting effort in, and this game is gonna get even bigger.

[@RuSosan]

@@idkusername2795 Except I've actively followed SC's development from the get-go and played in multiple free flights. I have over 100 hours in Starfield. Don't bother trying to BS on their behalf, I know exactly what I'm talking about and CIG has no excuse. None.

[@theoverallguy6186]

whats crazy is the hyper in depth nature of interacting with the game world doesnt bother me, i actually like it. my gripe is that if i need to do all this stuff its got to work, and when alot of the game features that are simple are just downright broken, it kills it. theres just too many steps to go through for this game and any one of them can and willl be fuckin busted along the way. before anyone says its an alpha dont gimme that bs excuse. games raised over 500 million dollars from supporter packs as expensive as 48 THOUSAND dollars. thats not a typo. its been in develpment for YEARS. stuff like getting in an elevator should work, but instead its likely to kill you.

[@QueenAtheia]

I bought an insane PC just for this game and It still ran at 1.3 power point inspired frames. When I asked them on Twitter why the performance is so bad the devs started to blame it on me and one of them went off on a political rant lol at that point I just uninstalled 💀

[@TusksTheAxew]

Ah, yes, because the way to solve a paying, dedicated-at-the-time customer who wishes to simply play your game properly's problem...is to bring politics into the situation, like that's relevant? Are they insane?

[@ydid687]

all i see is two fools: the dev and you

[@CPPRODUCTIONS1001]

At least you ended up with a PC you could play literally every other game in 4k.

[@cyphaborg6598]

Well that's definitely a current experience, felt weird you were able to ask questions but in the end it all made sense again.

[@lunarrvx]

holy shit no way send link im dying

[@via_negativa6183]

I gave up on this game years ago in disgust when they started selling ships aggressively, after being an original backer. Recently I came back to check it out, since i was curious. I have to say I have had some fun with it, but it's laughably buggy and I don't see it leaving pre alpha any time soon. When it works it's fun. But it often doesnt work at all. I've had the wings of my ship blow off upon leaving the hanger for no apparent reason. The NPC's stand around the map in every outpost in t poses. The game frequently loses connection to the server where you have to make an insurance claim and wait 15 minutes to get your ship back and prey the computers work. I've logged out on my ship with an inventory full of gear only to come back and find myself naked back at the home planet. When it works it's kinda fun.... it just doenst work very often and I cant see this changing any time soon. Ultimately its the garbage Ptw elements they hid during the campaign is whats pushed me away. Yet theres hordes of people who will defend this to their dying breath and keep throwing money at it ... SIMP Citizen.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Well it's been 7 years, same as Starfield. Rust took 8 RDR2 9 And Cyberpunk 10 It's also TWO games, so $250 million each, RDR2 spent $350 million on advertising alone. RDR2 and Cyberpunk also had ten times the staff, and legacy code in an established Studio What SC has done with so few staff and in such a short time is unprecedented in gaming history. Of course you can disagree, but you can't tell me the Dev stats for Starfield, or any other comparable title, because no other Studio releases them.

[@themercilessss]

​@@Uncanny_Mountain How is any of that relevant to anything he said? Copypasting this everywhere doesn't prove anything.

[@The_Judge300]

I gave them a little money many years ago when the kick starter started and I have given up on them a long time ago. I was there to get my hangar and my first ship, but it was so bad, so I just put it all on hold to wait till it became a proper game, but it is still not a proper game. The little money I gave, has made no difference for my economy, so I don't care much about it, but I totally understand why many accuse them for running a scam and that they feel scammed. The company has promised, promised and promised, but they have delivered very little. Everything they promised us all looked and sounded fantastic, but I have no idea what they have used all the time and money on, because they have delivered very little over all those years. It all looks more and more like a scam in my opinion as they seem to focus much more on designing more and more ships they sell for tons of real money than they focus on making a good game. There are no other reasons for making all these different ships for insane amounts of money other than to suck maximum amounts of money from people. They should focus on making a good playable game before making lots of unneeded ship models. Gamers should not give them one single cent before they make a good playable game in my opinion. Stay far away from them. There are plenty of good games to play.

[@hernes0071]

it takes another 18 years to actually finnish the game

[@_Jay_Maker_]

I also have enjoyed some time with this game, and you know what it feels like? It feels like a game in eternal creative limbo. A game developed by a group of people who are constrained by an overwhelming need for uniqueness while misunderstanding most people's expectations of modern development timeframes. The game will never be "finished." It might hit a 1.00 at some point in our lifetimes - maybe - but it's just as likely to remain in the state it's in now, with updates as they happen, questionable decisions and bugs, bugs, bugs. It might be "fun" sometimes, but it will never "belong" to the people who play it. Edit: If you want to play a space game that's basically totally in your control, with a huge learning curve, but potential for lots of satisfaction, just play X4. It's an acquired taste, but a damn good one. If you've ever played any of the prior "X" games, forget your time with those and just play X4. X4 is a total improvement, despite its typical Egosoft jank.

[@SluggedNugg]

I second X4, it's a intuitive and indepth game, but I heavily advise people against playing it because of that. The learning curve is too much for people who don't have the time to dedicate a week learning the basics.

[@abdiganiaden]

It’s only a creative limbo to those that spent real money on it. Having ships bought with in game money taken away here and there is simply ridiculous and designed to take in real money eventually, rinse repeat and call it alpha forever.

[@barrett-si4zq]

I hope they don't get about dime looking at several hundred dollar spaceships they're selling.

[@lionelwhiskerknot]

I'm hoping the game goes under but someone buys all the assets and rereleases the game as a space simulation only with all the garbage like first person shooting and tedious chore work cut out.

[@auru1325]

I would reccomend EVE online as well

[@SgtAwesome97]

Everything you just said mirrors my thoughts perfectly. I truly want this game to succeed. But right now, it's a glorified tech demo disguised as a "game". For something that's been in development for literally more than half my life on this earth, I expected so much more, but all i got was immense disappointment.

[@pommespeter420]

At your age you have no right to an opinion. Apparently you have never owned or even played Star Citizen if this reasonably ''good'' video, which you definitely have to see ironically in some places, meets your expectations. 3.19 ran fantastic up to the free flight event and that with the background that we got a new database with 3.18 (Hugh tech update). So much has happened in SC in the last year and so many new things have happened. 90% of the comments under the video as well as your comment give a completely wrong picture which corresponds to a development state of probably 2017-2019. And I quote ''I expected so much more, but all I got was immense disappointment'' FYI Chris started with 6 or 7 people and has opened several studios over the years, employs over 800 people and produces 2 colloquially Triple A titles . So to speak, in the last 10 years, which in your eyes have only produced disappointment, CIG has developed into a huge company. And again you kid, with your probably not even 18 years, have experienced NOTHING of the world or how long processes just take! In Germany we say ''If you have no idea, then STFU!'' We already have enough rubbish titles like cod BF etc. so why add another one? I'd rather wait another 5 years or more and in return I get what no one else can even begin to deliver.

[@MrMycotic]

This game is such a state that it doesn’t even have an uninstall button in the launcher. What game won’t let you uninstall it????

[@veganssuck2155]

A: a ton of launchers lack uninstall buttons B: you can just do it from your settings menu, it isnt that hard

[@ZorroComputers]

Imagine the original developers moving on and their grandkids working on the game. Thats literally generation game.

[@NorthzYT]

The devs are gonna pass down the legacy of developing this game for generations to come.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

[@autdelux]

why not as long as enough ppl give them money they will not stop

[@araulius2132]

Star Citizen cash cows are the living breathing embodiment of "sunk cost fallacy"

[@510tuber]

This isn't sunk cost fallacy. They aren't sinking cost into it, they're making money by not releasing it. Why would they release a terrible game when they can keep it in development and have people give them money. Once people know it's not good, the money stops. Milking idiots is profitable.

[@jovhonokamoto9397]

@@510tuber He was talking about the whales that pay for ships and shit.

[@aviator2252]

Pretty happy with my small contribution right now

[@Jellybeantiger]

​@@aviator2252Game has not changed. Until they put the stuff from the con into the game.

[@Aeoxmusic]

people just want a decent game made. there isn't a single game on earth that is worth playing at this current time. Star citizen is our only hope. maybe in the next 10-20 years

[@emptyforrest]

SC fanbase is the perfect example of sunk cost fallacy. IF this game comes out i doubt it will be much fun for the ultra hardcore fans and RP players, they seem to be focusing on too much on immersion and nothing into making the game functional and fun and no baseline game in sight. elite dangerous is also a large scope game, that has many layers of complexity and persitent universe and an insane amount of solar systems. it came out in 2014 with a base game that they added to instead of constantly shifting focus to non important bullshit. Elite is by no means perfect and actually suffers from alot of diffrent things. but atleast its been a proper game for almost a decade.