Piracy Is Saving Video Games...

[@Skrin19]

00:31 Fun fact, that video following the fbi warning screen actually used stolen music. They didn't license the music for the video from the creator. Oh the irony

[@OnBrandRP]

proof you should pirate

[@EllaAnimates543]

That makes the PSA purely ironic…

[@awesomefez6959]

It wasn't those exact PSAs, but it was one for a small film festival iirc.

[@gmanoffury]

Another fun fact: The you wouldn't steal a car ad actually helped promote piracy because at the time it ran, the internet was such a new thing the majority of people didn't realise you could download movies lmao

[@thechugg4372]

That's actually misinformation btw

[@ProtoNecron]

Piracy has saved so much media through the years.

[@rageinthecage3900]

big up to that

[@Box1-lf9hv]

It also saved films from being lost too.

[@okkefaber9993]

@@prele also fuck paying timmy on ebay 200 bucks because he has that one game you want on disc that is not available anymore digitaly

[@ArtVaeirs]

You people still don't understand what's going on here do you? They are intentionally making new bad and bland games for the past few years and then the plan was to get rid of all their past good games, so people will be stuck with the newer games that they don't even want to play, they are intentionally trying to kill off gaming. All the big gaming companies are gonna do this not just Sega So that means they will come after your little piracy to, and they will come hard down on anyone that pirates

[@crazyfloof]

and money

[@VygoUwU]

Piracy is saving entertainment in general honestly

[@Wes_Trippy4life]

bot

[@SyntheticChud]

What's your of

[@airb0ll304]

bot

[@Bumble_Bee145]

Not the one down bad comment 😂

[@ItsTaken__]

These botted channels getting out of control😂

[@jimjones9631]

I remember that quote for Gabe Newell. "Piracy isn't a cost problem, its a service problem". These companies aren't providing us a service to purchase and experiences these classics and thats a major issue

[@kylespevak6781]

They're also making their current services terrible, which causes people to seek out older games

[@Yui-ys5cv]

Then why are the newest games being pirated , even the games with physical disks

[@TrulyGodsGoofiest]

To be fair, most people pirate because they can't afford said games. Appropriate regional pricing actually works wonders. It's just that publishers/developers are either too dumb or too greedy to use their singular shared brain cell to think like a normal human.

[@alazarbisrat1978]

@@TrulyGodsGoofiest or afraid of VPN exploiters

[@CaptKami18]

@@Yui-ys5cv A lot of the time it's either A) Certain games aren't available in certain countries, so they HAVE to pirate to even get access to them, B) It's too expensive in countries when the amount of money they're asking for isn't what the general population just has, or C) People are entitled and they want to play the game without paying for it.

[@PhunkBustA]

once they stop selling a game and make it impossible to buy legitimately then piracy should be legalized imho, its essentially abandonware at that point

[@TheoHawk316]

That wouldn't fix anything in the future, as devs could just release an update every time the game is about to become abandonware. Good intentions, but, policy shouldn't be made on intentions. That's how you get a lot of problems.

[@narrativeless404]

​@TheoHawk316 Cringe pfp. But yeah, companies will always find loopholes instead of actually doing something great.

[@malicekerendu3574]

The only reason anime is popular outside of southeast Asia is because of piracy. Even in this age of "convenient" on demand streaming.

[@tedtheodore5715]

You say that as if it's a good thing fam

[@otadota8864]

@@tedtheodore5715because it is? The spreading of information and data which otherwise wouldn't have been seen without the intervention of onlookers, will always be good. Whether you enjoy the medium or not.

[@Royal_R3GALIA]

These streaming platform bs has made piracy a better choice

[@m2bradley161]

​@@tedtheodore5715 why wouldn't it be?

[@massive_legend6766]

Almost everyone here in SEA pirates anime, except maybe someone with Netflix

[@yourfeedYT]

If major companies actually were fair towards consumers piracy wouldn’t be so wide spread. Simple

[@adad87821]

That's a lesson unfortunately they refuse to learn

[@AETERNA-PASSIO]

yeah they just want to blame us for their crappy practices pushing us into piracy.

[@AaronScotz]

Companies are like this BECAUSE of piracy. Piracy didn't start because companies weren't fair with their content. It started because people wanted something for free. Because of that, companies retaliated and thus the war of piracy began. Just remember that today's problems with video game licensing all started because of piracy.

[@christownsend552]

You're kidding me right.....ppl will steal whether it is good priced or not. Ppl will steal from non-profits and from homeless ppl.

[@EmperorLukoz]

Piracy is a service problem. Gabe Newell said this 10+ years ago and he's still right to this day. A shame the games industry at large refuses to acknowledge this.

[@Lumi_Tassu]

Piracy - the art of removing annoying stuff that people who watch/game legally have to go through

[@kpsk8031]

Trigger warnings at the beginning of a movie ...

[@Schloopytoober]

*cough* *cough* denuvo *cough*

[@redhgffdsgd1605]

It makes the game even better in some games and no force update break mods or force censor later on or remove songs like in GTA sa

[@danielkinton7193]

@@kpsk8031 Shoulda had a trigger warning for the trigger warnings I guess lol, but yeah when I bought far cry 4 (I think it was) the FOV slider was stuck crazy low and everyone online was making fun of us because it was an anti-pirate feature gone wrong, and there was no fix in sight.

[@its-tinyavocado]

As Russian I can confirm that piracy were going downhill, even for movies and music, but after war sanctions it's back again. It's not like I couldn't use pirating websites before, I just wanted to pay fair price for things I enjoy. Now it's nearly impossible to do it, you need a bank account in other country and I simply can't open it.

[@f1resta_r439]

This.

[@usernamenotavailablee]

That speech at the end was actually amazing, Muta. I literally feel like that "Oh my god, I get it" meme from Always sunny

[@neoasura]

Been "preserving" games for over 20 years. I have literally every single Japan/US/EU game from the Atari 2600 to the Dreamcast, even all of Sega's games including Saturn. I will do my part to make sure those games never get lost to time and I'll always find a way to share them with people if sources dry up.

[@randomshit168]

You're doing gods work, friend! Thank you!

[@war_fish]

how big is your storage

[@samburgerwithcheeze8145]

That's dedication right there

[@upon-fe2720]

Yeah I also had the entire sega catalogue on my PC aswell as a near complete PSX catalogue, had ZX games we used to play in school and lots more to boot. My computer got the classic "Trojan" warning one day and every single file got corrupted. I lost a lot that day and switched to Mac the day after. Thankfully never had a virus since.

[@AngieDeAguirre]

Marry me.

[@rasungod0]

If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't theft.

[@TercesGarret]

If delisting isn't deleting, then piracy isn't stealing-

[@tarhun9977]

It never was. It's copyright infringement.

[@LG555]

At most, it's a scam.

[@kamruzzamanuzzal3764]

buying is not owning, it's just getting a license to play it. and piracy is not stealing, it's just illegally playing the game without the license. easy as that. I still prefer piracy as in my country we don't have any laws that says piracy is illegal, so I can legally pirate games here. there are many countries like that out there where you can legally pirate games. one fav example is Japan, where you can rent a 70 USD game for just 20 yen (less than 1 USD), physical copy that is, then make a copy on your PC and play, it's legal to keep a copy of any physical media you rent in Japan. so ppl don't pirate in that country. though by western laws, that's also piracy, but by Japanese laws, it's not piracy. in my country only medias like music and films are protected by copyright laws, games are not protected by such laws, so you can pirate them legally here

[@andrejtb1]

No one gives a damn really, our schools here are pirating programs. 😂

[@rpk7330]

The moment Red Dead Redemption for PC costs 50 dollars (14y/o game) you know piracy is the only good way to go

[@Bumble_Bee145]

50 dollars?! Nahh 😂😂 Imma be a somali pirate

[@dimaadamov8501]

I'd rather pay 50$ for Red Dead Redemption with slightly improved graphics than pay the same for the AI-enhanced remake like the GTA trilogy.

[@Razer5542]

This is another big reason why piracy is better, because it's straight up bullshit to pay a extra 50 fucking euros to play something like Red Dead Redemption 1..

[@YuYuYuna_]

This is another part of the piracy debate pie that only further pushes people to piracy. I would absolutely love to buy a game like RDR 1 from the developers for $20-30 max. These developers that port shit to PC with no meaningful improvements or graphical overhauls and then ask for brand new AAA game prices deserve to be pirated from.

[@DeSch0ft]

@@YuYuYuna_ Aren't brand new AAA game prices $69,99 now?

[@WhatDaFaust]

21:45 - Preach it, Muta. It is crazy how many games I bought that I had to pirate in order to get them playing in an acceptable manner. The Series X bridges the gap a bit with its excellent backward compatibility, but that is only a small consolation overall.

[@dracugla]

Another banger video, I love older game titles and I really appreciate the people who went out of their way to protect them and continue their life through this method. I think of DS games or any games I played in my childhood. I feel like this is a beautiful community of people who just appreciate the art for what it was, and where it started. Sad to see companies just abandon it all.

[@marioandluigi143]

Honestly, there should be legal preservation under abandonware standards, if a game has been inactive for a set amount of time, with no active sales to the publisher, or any specific work done on the specific titles, they should be considered abandoned.

[@buenogoodlive]

That's just basically the public domain.

[@akl2k7]

Unfortunately, you know companies wouldn't like that. And they're who lawmakers care about more than the actual people.

[@tortron]

This would lead to a micky mouse type copyright, they would add 1 line of code or something everybtime it's about to run out, claim its a new release, and do it forever

[@Pfromm007]

​@@akl2k7You are an uncommon breed who knows the truth of the world we live in.

[@BoredPodcaster]

@@tortron Except they'd have to actually rerelease it and sell it. They can't claim commercial viability if nobody can buy it, new code or not. That would solve this issue completely, just by itself.

[@deaddead698]

Piracy has gotten to the point where if it didn’t exist, 90% of the entire entertainment industry would be nowhere as profitable as it is now

[@Red_Planet]

The only reason why touhou games ever got the slightest bit of notability in the west is because of piracy, since they weren't buyable by western people for nearly two decades until Toby Fox was able to talk the dev into getting them on Steam.

[@Wenbebis]

TOBY DID THAT ????

[@mioda3109]

Im still floored at the idea that Touhou is known enough in the west that we have gotten the games on steam and consoles, if you had told me that we would be at this point I wouldve called you crazy

[@Crissaegrim-xv9cu]

Touhou games werent on steam for LITERAL YEARS, and even then, only a handful of them are on steam, good fucking luck if you want to get the older games legit lmao

[@Crissaegrim-xv9cu]

And yes, i still have some of the games on a flash drive lol

[@dzikidzikers4082]

@@Crissaegrim-xv9cu Yeah, too bad 6th part isn't avibable legitimetly outside of japan, because that's where i wanna start. You have to buy physical copy, but that means high delivery costs

[@_M_643]

Personally I don't play old games only because I grew up with them I also like playing old games I've never heard of as they're genuinely fun and interesting.

[@sackerlacker5399]

Me too. That’s how I got into Sonic games (with Megadrive/genesis classics)

[@Burbund]

Muta: Piracy is a crime Also Muta: You can download a mod to restore original music Wouldn't that also constitute piracy? Or is the music already in the files and rockstar distributes unlicensed music?

[@AceRuiner1979]

Its the latter usually If you go through the files of the game "Flatout" you can actually find a file that has Motley Crue's "Doctor Feelgood" on it, even through the song shows up nowhere in the actual game! So yeah, stuff like that actually does happen!

[@TheoHawk316]

Muta definitely supports piracy, he just can't say that because there'd be problems, hence why he mentioned the mod.

[@sighswoons]

We're seeing it with anime as well. As crunchyroll has basically a monopoly, all the older animes pre 2000s are nowhere to be found other than torrenting and piracy

[@kevinerbs2778]

I hate crunchroll.

[@dogethegamershibe]

Literally. I can’t find Yu-Gi-Oh! season 0 (1998) anywhere except via piracy. The same thing for Kirby Right Back At Ya! (2001). Only way to get that is via a google drive link created by someone.

[@alphakowaclips]

Crunchyroll doesn't even have a monopoly, anime is still scattered aacross 4-5 websites that if you're not subscribed to all you'll miss out on great shows, we all saw it with every anime that disney plus acquired

[@viethonore]

@@dogethegamershibe kirby is also on internet archives right now free all 102 episodes

[@itsdokko2990]

if it wasnt for those...internet pages, i wouldn't have been able to relive my childhood watching Ranma 1/2

[@RomnysGonzalez]

Thanks you for touching the SEGA topic. Nobody talking about it. Nobody attacking SEGA. Nobody jumping at SEGA for deslisting games like they did to Rockstar with the definitive edition or Ubisoft with TheCrew 1. They are robbing people from their right of ownership of those games. At lot of those games are being removed because they are releasing remasters or remakes of those games with the SEGA project they showcased early this year. They just removing those games to force people to jump into their remasterers

[@bestlaptop_psn]

It is still bad but not to the extent of crew one where even if you own a physical disc it is a paperweight

[@mlmitchell2625]

Seriously! It’s absolutely crazy on top of it how many ppl will likely miss out on those original games simply because of a) rerelease costs will be ridiculous, b) shitty reanimation/updates and or removal of certain content, and c) the simple fact many of these games will be unavailable/unknown to newer generations/ppl in general; essentially forgotten

[@12DAMDO]

a lot of people talked about it, wdym the only reason i even know about it is through word of mouth

[@troin3925]

Do you remember the Sonic Origins controversy? Everyone was angry and rightfully called out Sega for delisting classic Sonic games in the leadup to Sonic Origins' release, a collection that also happened to be a huge mess at launch. It seemed to have gotten better since then, but I think there was still some things that were inferior to the original releases of those games (and that's not even going into the music licensing crap with tracks from Sonic 3 that were composed by Michael Jackson being replaced due to licensing issues. Music licensing copyright is a whole other frustrating topic). There's a mod that's still being updated called Sonic Origins Ultrafix that improves the collection, fixes bugs, brings back original content like those Sonic 3 music tracks, along with a ton of other improvements. Update: Actually, the mod uses remixes but it's compatible with mods that bring the original music back.

[@spiritmacardi9300]

Don't forget, the new versions will have Denuvo added because Sega doesn't like their customers having products they can play whenever they want.

[@KN-592]

Not only games, which is sad af man

[@WarkWarbly]

Truth. I use sci hub regularly. Gotta pirate those research papers, publications, and patents somehow 😅

[@KN-592]

@WarkWarbly Louis Rossman showed through a community post that you cannot download or access a university certificate "not supported by Linux" changed the browser user agent and joked about pirating a God damn certificate lmao

[@Bumble_Bee145]

Nah fr like movies too, it's really sad and the worst bit is that I'd love to pirate games it's just I've got a disk free.ps5 😭

[@KN-592]

@Bumble_Bee145 bruh Netflix streams you 720p even if you pay for 4k

[@McLovinMods]

​@@WarkWarbly seriously, how disgusting is it that scientific research is is kept behind a paywall

[@neo1711]

Very happy that muta and others are finally saying the quiet part out loud. Companies can't expect this to not happen when everything gets put back in the vault and sold at an unreasonable price

[@KabeeshS]

Sailing the high seas is what we are supposed to do now to preserve the treasures.

[@BarelyDere]

Another point is many of these games around 30 years old, some older. I'm not convinced copyrights should be this long. Preservation is only piracy because copyrights are way too long

[@rashira9610]

Blame Disney for this, at least on the American end. Disney trying to keep a stranglehold on Mickey Mouse is the reason why it takes almost 100 years for things to enter into the Public Domain now.

[@alicevioleta3184]

​@@rashira9610i doubt it with the new administration, but hopefully we can undo the damage

[@RandomPersonOf2005]

​@@alicevioleta3184probably not, too many large business benefit from copyright lasting author's life+70 years

[@dwergbungus4597]

thanks didney

[@TheChaosDragoness]

You can thank Disney and their "Mickey Mouse laws".

[@CodeModCreator]

Video game companies: Don't pirate our stuff! Can I get the game without pirating it? Video game companies: no.

[@angel_of_rust]

it's more like: Video game companies: Don't pirate our stuff! User: Are your games good? Video game companies: Our games our diverse! User:...

[@Walamonga1313]

​@@angel_of_rustMore like User:not even worth pirating then!

[@Brancuu]

If companies cared bout players, piracy would be non-exsistent.

[@toastman7671]

Piracy would still happen just at a very low rate if this was thr case

[@christownsend552]

Cap

[@rasungod0]

Gabe Newel said piracy is caused by bad service.

[@christownsend552]

@@rasungod0 It happens because humans suck. Humans will try to get away with anything they can. It's funny how now that these games aren't gonna be around to buy ppl now want to justify piracy. Yet nobody was buying these games when they were around and cheap.

[@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll]

It would still happen, dude. It’s delusional to think that everyone is some moral crusader for good consumer practices. Some people just want stuff for free.

[@TouringWolf42]

Thing is, piracy is relevant only when you resell or repackage the product. Otherwise, nothing can really be done about it, it isn't illegal to download or possess.

[@p5eudo883]

Depends on where you are.

[@fernando_chadlonso]

Growing up as a kid I only played the console versions of the sims 2 and 3. I only realized years latter how very different the console version is to the PC version. Thanks to some "preservation" I have been able to fully experience those games.

[@MengusDew]

Software piracy is NOT theft. Software piracy doesn't take anything from anyone. The logic that pirating software is costing the company sales is non sequitur. Most people that pirate software would not have purchased the software if they had NOT pirated it. Therefore, logically, the company isn't LOSING money in piracy. You CANNOT, realistically, consider every pirated installment as somebody taking something that anyone else paid for. Not even the sale. They aren't losing anything, but heir pride and ego. Software isn't a necessity, and so ,piracy is NOT directly correlated with NOT PURCHASING. It's often pirated out of convenience, not refusal of legal business. Now this part is anecdotal, but since it is, that makes the other end of the spectrum ALSO anecdotal: Whenever I pirate software, I either like it enough to use it indefinitely, or I use it and uninstall it. If I keep it because I liked the software/game/movie/etc......I always purchased the official release, when available. IN many instances, pirating software convinced me to purchase said software, whereas I would not have. Something that I have NEVER done: pirated software, despite have enough income to easily afford it, kept using the software without ever paying for it. If I did pirate something, use it, and not pay for it it's because i only needed it for a single use application that was more convenient than the alternative, and I wasn't gonna pay for it regardless.

[@FinnySpam]

also no use in paying for somethign if they can just... take it away (shutting down social networking parts of games, stopping support despite the rapid evolution of technology, etc). usually in order for someone to take something away like nothing like that, its because you didnt pay your taxes or wahtever, so they repo your car or osmething. why pay if steam can just delete it? (mostly only goes for games not bought directly from the developers rly)

[@benayers8622]

Arrrr me hearties 🫡

[@alucardhellsing9640]

Exactly its not like people sell it for a profit..

[@cheato1163]

Best case for me, i pirated total war warhammer 2 as i wasnt sure if my system could even run it, 8 hours later i was on steam buying the full game.

[@arstotzkanplaguedoctor]

That's why the old meme goes like: >How to bankrupt nintendo >Download Super Mario over and over until price tanks >Buy company when at 1$ >Profit

[@MisterVercetti]

Say it with me now, everyone: _If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing._

[@Pfromm007]

If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

[@jellythyme]

@@Pfromm007 IF BUYING ISN'T OWNING, THEN PIRACY ISN'T STEALING

[@gsdcool4321]

*If buying isn’t owning, then piracy isn’t stealing.*

[@tedtheodore5715]

*If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing*

[@TheRealRuddRants]

If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

[@HeathenMetalhead221]

There really needs to be a law in place like if a company doesnt make a game accessible again within 5 years of it being delisted or out of print, it goes into the public domain.

[@joshbuxton8249]

What if they re-list for 24 hours then de-list it again??

[@HeathenMetalhead221]

@@joshbuxton8249 Add to the law they need to have it listed for an amount of time or something? Idk theres ways to cover the loolholes though

[@iand255]

​@@joshbuxton8249then the game's still alive in some way, and accessible. Arguably, this loophole would still be better for preserving those games because not only will consumers are able to more easily know when and how they can grab the game, but also it means the company has to keep the original versions of that game on hand to be able to relist or reprint it. I see that kind of situation still just as much of a win. Also note that this also mentions being out of print. Sure, already digital games can be relisted pretty easily, but a huge chunk of retro games would require tons of work to make accessible. Either they have to keep it out there somehow, or it goes public. The amount of work that would take for all those companies to revive all those games would be beyond insanity, and would likely force companies to pick their favorites and take some losses; especially as time continues to progress and they make more and more games that they have keep out there forever if they wish to keep the rights. Not to mention the companies that have gone out of business and can't keep their old games alive anymore. Honestly, just this short KZbin comment already seems less loophole prone then actual existing law.

[@jefreestyles]

What things have gotten into public domain and then gotten back into private domain? I don't think that's how that works. They can make a new version but the old version will still be in public domain.

[@desertsandfly2277]

Americans and Europeans: "Piracy is illegal! You will go to jail for it and face legal action!" Third world countries: "Oh no! Anyway..."

[@InvaderTAK1989]

"Piracy is preservation?" Always has been

[@carjockey2135]

Piracy is indeed saving gaming but also saving entertainment in general. I remember the old days of ROMs back in early 2000s. such strange times

[@nightwingnl5354]

I only pirate older games as a last resort if I can't buy them legally

[@deadboyo2773]

Good average person, keep it up

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

Thats seems reasonable enough.

[@paperluigi6132]

If only THIS was the standard enforced.

[@Stormer-vx5kw]

why the original devs arnt getting the money anyway

[@Razer5542]

Same here.

[@AngeliqueStP]

I appreciate GOG so much... they enabled me to *still* play my 'super-old-timey' favorite game: Masters of Magic from 1994. (It's my 'comfort game' - basically it's Mac 'n Cheese.)

[@hypnoz7871]

GOG is good. But honestly, almost all their games are already cracked and available.

[@MightAngel]

Heroes of Might and Magic 3 too (especially for PvP these days which I would not have expected)

[@lareolanKFP]

Yeah, they have so many amazing games from the 90s that wouldn't even run on modern hardware without proper modification and emulation.

[@AngeliqueStP]

@@hypnoz7871 Naw, I have money enough that I don't need to swipe some little 5 buck game off a sketchy site run by parasites. My whole feel is... I'd rather spend the 5 bucks supporting people who give a damn about game preservation and the gaming community as a whole. They may not do it perfectly, but we need to support the few that are out there trying.

[@AngeliqueStP]

@@MightAngel Talk about reading minds! When I said MofM was one of my 3 old favorites... the other was HOMM3! LOVE that game. Broke my disc out during the pandemic lock-down and had a great time. And now that I'm disabled and lost function in my hands, which means now I can't play the games I used to, the fact I can STILL play those 2 games makes me love them even more.

[@foxinbox8489]

I will never believe that "piracy is bad" Is not said by either A) moron B) greedy corporation C) to comply with TOS

[@reynaroine]

If all of us gamers just collectively start pirating games and stop buying newer games they would probably start releasing classics on modern systems if they ain't getting money then they will have no choice to release classic games like the gamers want, But no one will join me in it cause of the "fear of missing out"

[@cayder7485]

average piracy W

[@SomeSnoozer]

Piracy does what companies don't

[@Maximilian1990]

Steal?

[@Official_Arion]

​​@@Maximilian1990No, keep their own games on market, actually make money off their IP. ("keep it around for people to play it" is probably more of what this person means). But game archival is screwed rn bc of the rights holders themselves regardless

[@Maximilian1990]

​@@Official_Arionso steal AND violate ip owner's rights, gotcha

[@ThatGuyNamedRick]

As a "Serial Archiver" I have games from companies that don't exist anymore or pulled from digital marketplaces and abandoned by their publishers. Yes, my library is 40% *Slav Jank* from a plethora of Ukranian and Polish Developers, but you know what? I really don't mind, in that pile are solid gems made of English Translation fanpatches and decades-old bugfixes. I'm not at liberty to divulge what the other 60% consists of. Don't ask, for both our sakes.

[@notchrisbacon586]

tell me more rick, i want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes

[@asomns4718]

Bro u don't need to be so cryptic lol it's ok if 60% of your library is hentai I won't judge. Nah but in all seriousness I'm kinda curious is that 60% something along the lines of what I just joked abt or is it smthn different?

[@eduardobenassi3072]

I've like 3tb of pirated games and movies.

[@justaparps8088]

@@asomns4718 Niten don't games probably and he is afraid to witness that out of fear of being assasinated by that company xD

[@ThatGuyNamedRick]

@@justaparps8088 That actually sits at 5% You'd be surprised how small N64 and Gamecube games were back then.

[@Scarecrow_graveman]

Bruh just because it’s illegal doesn’t make it “bad” like stealing and downloading virtual shit ain’t that crazy

[@MrBeetsGaming]

I'm not a pirate, I'm a game conservationist.

[@awawawaawawawa2321]

One thing to think about is what Gabe said about how to beat piracy, "to provide a better service". Nintendo and other companies nuking things of the face of the earth wouldnt be that big of a problem if they made their titles available at a reasonable price. In all honesty though i feel that steam is being held up by Gabe's based beliefs, once hes gone, steam pretty much has everyone by the balls and we would be powerless to do anything if they decided to ramp up the tomfuckery.

[@DrRussian]

Luckily for us, Gabe's son seems to follow the same ideals. We won't know for sure until he takes over though.

[@GridDweller77]

Gabe is making sure his successors are going to keep the same values, i'm not too worried.

[@Razer5542]

@@GridDweller77 Pretty much, it would be completely stupid to put someone at the wheel who is the complete opposite of what Gabe and steam stands for..

[@crystalz-h1d]

Piracy is saving video game industry.. never thought I'd say that.

[@joeyghostx]

I do! I already knew due to all the greed lol

[@mammothplant]

The adventures of The Guy Who Just Started Paying Attention

[@devilslayer3548]

Because it not

[@staarfinger7322]

​@@devilslayer3548it is? Have you even seen the video?

[@vernonharden]

It may come down to doing the same with original recordings of singers. The music industry is on the verge of redoing all old music with auto tune/pitch correction and releasing it, and labeling bit as being "remastered".

[@rackneh]

The majority of pirates are people in the lower classes. "jUsT pAy fOr iT" doesn't mean much when you struggle to eat

[@sihamhamda47]

Well, some of it includes peole who don't want to hesitate on using the subscription because it's hard to cancel Like many of the paid subscription today is easy to sign up with just one click, but once you try to cancel it you have to pass through hundreds of pop up and redirects that said "dO YoU WanT tO lOSe aLL YoUr BeNeFITs?"

[@Spectrum0122]

Also they won't let us pay for it. I.e I'm not buying a ps4 just for blood borne

[@Maximilian1990]

Maybe go make some money then instead of wasting time on playing games

[@OctyabrAprelya]

@@Spectrum0122 Honestly, Id get a ps4 just for blood borne, used of course.

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

@@Maximilian1990 Something tells me you did not actually read OP's comment.

[@OppWasTaken]

*Breaking laws, preserving history*

[@TheoHawk316]

Government has an interest in making sure you don't know history, of course they'd make it illegal lol Lest you remember better times, when they weren't so powerful.

[@tmapes1989]

If buying isn't owning, then piracy is not stealing!!!

[@Zeldon567]

Pirated content is our modern Library of Alexandria. We must preserve and protect that which we care about.

[@Tooma8Channel]

Piracy isn't stealing. It does break the copyright law, but it's not stealing

[@devilslayer3548]

It is stealing

[@hhrecordzz2838]

​@@devilslayer3548 good

[@XDRosenheim]

@@devilslayer3548 It is illegal, but not stealing. Nothing of value is lost.

[@homermalaluan8680]

Hahahaha! Look! A salmon that swim reverse of the current of river! Gotcha! Yuh! Catching salmon is easy if it became a fool toswim reverse of the current. Yum yum!😂😂

[@YuYuYuna_]

@@devilslayer3548 It's not stealing if the product isn't officially being sold by the IP holder on any platform. If I can't buy Jet Force Gemini anymore then I have every right to pirate it. The entire purpose of anti-piracy is so that the IP rights holders get money for their software/media. If I can't give you money for your product then me downloading it for free causes no damages (aka lost revenue) to you.

[@niospartan]

If buying isnt owning, then piracy isnt stealing.

[@DiamondCake2]

Wow such an original comment, never seen this before…

[@niospartan]

@DiamondCake2 👍

[@thierrydecker8110]

Piracy will always be necessary. It is the only way for media to be preserved and kept available regardless of companies being incomprehensibly wacky. And it also forces companies to be at least somewhat decent with their prices and quality of service, because even a monopoly still has to compete with it.

[@AnDr3w066]

Just say you want free sh.. trying to moralize piracy makes you look desperate.

[@thierrydecker8110]

​@AnDr3w066 im sure multimillion dollar company is very grateful to you for protecting them

[@AnDr3w066]

@@thierrydecker8110 Pointing out they have a lot of money is an argument to justify stealing 😂. You look desperate trying to steal but still trying to make it morally right. Nah buddy you just want free stuff.

[@thierrydecker8110]

@@AnDr3w066 It wasn't an argument for that. It was just to point out that you are doing is kinda pointless. Don't tell me that you actually think that it is good when companies make a thing, sell it to you, and then take it away, because if so, why?

[@AnDr3w066]

@@thierrydecker8110 pointing out how you trying to sound morally justify stealing is desperate and cringy instead of just being honest. People feel entitled to steal is crazy 😂

[@pupi3594]

Lazy Town taught me it is fun to be a pirate.

[@Aeoxander]

"Breaking the law is wrong" Meanwhile Aparathied was legal, Nazism was legal, the majority of humanities atrocities are legal. Law doesn't define what is right.

[@Birdy115]

THANK YOU! I've been saying it for so long that i've given up on it.

[@gaminganimators7000]

You knew exactly what he meant, there's no need to be pedantic

[@Birdy115]

@@gaminganimators7000 Alright, alright. "Piracy is wrong and unmoral thing to do" is probably what he meant since the point of the law itself is to uphold the sense of morality and security. Yet the companies themselves break the law and screw the consumer over by being umoral (Rigged loot boxes, broken games, Denuvos that give you a worse experience). Lately the games are so bad that there is no point on even pirating them. And when thats the case, i dont give a damn about who pirates their games and how many copies are being pirated.

[@Illiminator31]

Learn the difference between being legal and being right. Being Right is a Emotional construct

[@sfecgtt6084]

​@@Illiminator31 no it's not lol. If everyone agrees on it, it stops being subjective. You can just say that all the things in ops comment are wrong without having the "cold hard facts" perspective.

[@mxcximas7682]

I backed the FREE INFORMATION, and freedom of internet movement back in 2007, the piratebay era, and piracy is and act of resistance.

[@Amfneey]

"You wouldn't steal a car." If I didn't actually own it, but I paid for it, you better BELIEVE I'd "steal" it!

[@DrRussian]

You see, that's where they get you. You own the car, you don't own the software that makes the car run.

[@Amfneey]

@DrRussian Oh snap, you're actually right. I've never looked at it that way.

[@Maximilian1990]

Tou paid for a lease tho not the car

[@evillecaston]

Muta's the kind of guy to pirate Lunix, simply because he can.

[@RealMrXrow]

Cyber Pirates. Breaking the law for a good cause. Sounds like a movie, a movie I would love to be in.

[@awawawaawawawa2321]

piracy not only preserves media but in all honesty gets people into media in the first place, the anime market for example, is so oversaturated by crap that what ends up happening is that people arent willing to take a chance on a purchase with their hard earned money just to waste their time. So they use piracy as a means to test the waters, then when they become a fan. When something is so overwhelmingly good they are compelled to pay tribute and buy products like the blue-ray, DVD, figures, etc. in order to support the creators.

[@Carnyzzle]

No joke, My steam version of Rocksmith 2014 Remastered doesn't work on my PC but I can launch the FitGirl version perfectly fine

[@Skyverb]

There is a patch for the Steam version to run. Even if you have custom songs. Ran into the same issue last year. But that version still works.

[@RedSalamandy]

I own a fitgirl copy of tales from the borderlands because the game on steam is a little pricey...

[@Wesmoen]

Huh weird, played the game last week without issues, using customs and all. What message do you get?

[@RedSalamandy]

@@Wesmoen Idk i was able to access it easily...

[@Carnyzzle]

@@Wesmoen no message, just launches and crashes straight to desktop

[@frankchau]

I bought a copy of Splinter Cell Conviction on steam a while back. Got the itch to play it for the first time recently and when I finally install it, it asked for a key!! Neither steam or Ubisoft had any solution to fix this. I had to pirate just to play a copy of a game I BOUGHT!!!

[@underintact134]

Weird, doesn't steam usually give you the key?

[@CaseyTheBun]

THIS, my boyfriend can't play dead space 3 for this exact reason, he bought it but can't even play it because it asks for a non existent key

[@whit1722_playz]

I feel like there are only a few games that we can trust to never disappear, like for example stardew valley

[@FurqanHun]

3:33 "I'm not pyro" 💀 muta never misses an opportunity

[@WarkWarbly]

I'm on board with most forms of piracy so long as it's within the non-profit context. With what Nintendo is consistently doing, piracy is almost all but the option at this point... at least for any retro Nintendo games.

[@mr.melancholy4973]

Imagine that the company's who crack down on piracy not only don't decrease it but the piracy actually help preserves games better than the company's. That is telling

[@Goatfer]

"Breaking the law is wrong" No, breaking the law is illegal but it is not inherently wrong.

[@gotekeeper9519]

'tis unfortunate that certain groups (PDF files) have been trying to adopt this logic to defend human rights violations, isn't it?

[@multi-milliondollarmike5127]

​​​@@gotekeeper9519Those people are actually causing harm to children. But some laws on the books make things illegal that cause harm to no one; like taking psychadelics or just smoking weed.

[@gotekeeper9519]

@@multi-milliondollarmike5127 exactly. the lengths human-rights-violators go to to paint themselves as victims are pretty gross

[@Maximilian1990]

​@@multi-milliondollarmike5127wait are you saying weed and psychedelics don't cause harm 😂

[@multi-milliondollarmike5127]

@@Maximilian1990 Smoking weed relaxes people which is why medical marijuana is a thing. But it's still only available under specific circumstances when it might as well just be legalized for the general public. And psychadelics have been proven to help people recover from ptsd and chronic depression. Maybe you've just been living under a rock or something.

[@DavidHernandezDavidhe346]

"Piracy is never good" more like piracy is always good

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

30:30 Not a car, no, I have a $1,000+ cargo bike in mind.

[@DarkeningDemise]

They're removing some of these so you're forced to buy the reboot live service versions coming out. Remember they advertised a reboot of Crazy Taxi and Golden Axe as live services a while back.

[@hi0102]

3:33 YOU DID JUST NOT😭😭🙏🙏

[@hi_its_jerry]

we must preserve thr pyro inflation mod

[@UnrelatedAntonym]

Piracy has saved a lot of media in general. Music, movies, shows, games... if they don't see money in it, they abandon it. The executives and shareholders at studios don't know what they're doing, they're just lustfully glaring at the money they imagine.

[@ReloGP14th]

Most of the time they just want to hit their target prediction they did from previous year. If the company says they will do 10% increase in Net Profit they will cut down all unecessary expenses. Video games law is also really nonexistant to the point that the one who makes the law are big publishers. Its really unregulated

[@NickRgibbs]

Man that closing statement made me forget I was watching a video about the gaming industry. Salute brother!

[@Kinglink]

There should always be a caveat. "Piracy is wrong when you can legally buy the goods from the ORIGINAL parties". If products aren't (or can't) be sold by the original developers/publisher, piracy is the only answer. Second hand markets are great for collectors, but that's not preservation.

[@theoathman8188]

"Piracy is never good" and "piracy save video games" are two contradictory statements

[@Invie4196]

You have to or the video gets bapped

[@roflBeck]

Piracy is just required sometimes. Crysis Warhead for example. I wanted to play it, but the disc version doesn't work because it has a release date checker that no longer works. Fortunately there was a GOG release, so it was easy.

[@gokturk15]

People do not want to pirate anything, game companies force them to.

[@EWOODJ]

There are a metric shit ton of people who will pirate just because they want it for free.

[@FakeHeroFang]

Nah, there are absolutely dipshits out there who pirate as a point of pride, to 'stick it' to the big publishers etc. Stupid is inevitable, you just have to look and you'll find it.

[@WeissBrew]

Piracy isn't theft. It's piracy. Stealing is good for the companies and bad for the customer. A stolen car has already been paid for and the buyer will now need a car again. Piracy is neutral for the customer and bad for the company. The buyer keeps his product, the pirate gets a copy for free, the company loses "potential profit" since now there's one less person in need of the product. But they still have their own legitimate product, which they can still sell if anyone wants it.

[@clintkarklus5523]

It's actually hilarious that playing classic GTA games on PC is more of a pain than getting abandonware running.

[@matthewharris517]

If not for piracy I wouldn't have the chance to play many old console games I never even heard of

[@Razer5542]

Thank god i still have my PSP and PS2 with everything on it..

[@PAJARIN999]

Ironic isn't it? When the supposedly "Bad Guys" accidentally becomes the "Savior" due to the "Good Guys" becoming "Tyrants".

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

The unfortunate truth. Sad that a literal crime is what is going to preserve games and not the companies that made said games.

[@mercenarydelta7351]

Gabe Newell did say that piracy isn't a money issue. It's a service issue, which is becoming more and more true these days.

[@VoiceOvaGuy]

The AAA industry has lived long enough to see itself become the villain.

[@Pastafari4]

Phew, full Mega Drive bundle acquired. Thanks Muta, saved my ass there. Hope they preserve these games somehow later, man

[@CheddarVG]

Piracy has always been the best way of preserving media.

[@SprinterCDI]

telling eastern europeans and balkans to stop pirating is like telling the sun to stop glowing, so mutahar i think will keep pirating games

[@madkoala2130]

Two things are constant in eastern Europe: 1. Life is hard 2. You cant force them to pay for software, even those younger generations think thats a stupid idea.

[@stevenmaswabi-zz9kt]

Not to mention Africa and south east Asia

[@Average_Arthur]

Same for a huge chunk of South America

[@SprinterCDI]

@@Average_Arthur exactly

[@krylotik]

Pirating software is a beloved national pasttime over there

[@Jokerwolf666]

It's because all these companies realize that they can do subscription services to give these old games and people will pay it. There are so many from the younger generation that just readily bend over and get into position for that corporate juice.

[@joshbuxton8249]

That would be diabolical if true. Take them down for purchase, wait a little. Build a service to access old titles for 14.99 /month. Profit. God we live in a horrible timeline

[@AlkaRez]

​@joshbuxton8249 wtf you mean IF true? It literally, objectively is.

[@MysticZefer]

Piracy cannot be stealing. Copying something doesn't remove it from the original owner, therefore, cannot be theft.

[@DarkForce2024]

Thank You! I have been saying this forever. Then people want do debate the ethics of it like I'm trying to justify it. NO! I'm simply stating a definition. Right or wrong, I'll let someone else decide.

[@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll]

Like yeah, if we’re talking in a super literal sense. But you know what they mean. Can you steal someone’s idea? That person still has the idea. You can’t remove the idea from someone’s mind. But we still say you stole the idea. It’s obviously just a matter of definition. I agree that it’s difficult to come up with a good definition of “stealing” that incorporates all the qualities we want it to have and excludes the ones that we don’t. Just don’t let definitions control your morality. Definitions are just here to help us communicate.

[@MysticZefer]

@@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll You can't steal an idea. Copyright and Patents are literal fascism. They are the government controlling the free market through threat of violence.

[@Maximilian1990]

You are stealing tho. Taking away the owner's right to do what he wants with the software is textbook stealing

[@DarkForce2024]

@@Maximilian1990 Ok, so elaborate on that. How do they lose the right to do what they want with their software? What can they not do if someone copies it, that they could do if they didn't?

[@Disconnis]

They're probably going to try to re-sell each game individually back to us for $40 each, because of the increasing popularity of retro games...

[@zorororonoraroro]

Ive lived my life thinking im a villian for pirating, turns out I was a Hero

[@Synest2]

9:13 -- Wow Muta, so rude of you to interrupt Muta when he was speaking about grain preservation!

[@crispycritical]

hot take : piracy is bad and is unjustifiable in anyway at all! like if you agree!

[@UndreliPquyquy]

hot cakes 🥧

[@traestephen7276]

Cold

[@xMaGuSx888]

You are literally on a video saying that. Not really a hot take. Nor even original.

[@Sw1ssT0ur3tt3s]

if companies cared, then no. sadly, yes

[@DiabolicCrusher]

Archives could be one too, but alas, can't have nice things because corporate greed and publishers being petty.

[@BigGeordieUK_]

sega delisting a bunch of classics right after striking vimms, they really don't want you playing these legacy games

[@ClellBiggs]

I think the problem is these companies are so greedy they can't imagine that someone would just let them use the fixes they've created for free. They simply can't comprehend that preserving these games is more important than making money to most of us.

[@TheYahmez]

Bhuut myuewtaah 12 yr olds are being raised to own nothing and be happy, they don't even know what a sysadmin _is._ Power users are becoming a class issue.

[@tailsfox5707]

Piracy is justified if you cannot buy the game legally on any store front.

[@EskiZagra]

It's even worse when you manged to buy it, played it, then it was taken down and now you have to pirate it to own/play it...

[@MIDNIGHT_W0LF125]

@@EskiZagra or treating a game as a separate thing on every platform to get you to buy the same thing multiple times

[@Maximilian1990]

No it's not

[@trystan_magana]

Never thought I would see muta use that video title

[@jairo8746]

Nintendo would have lost all of their old IPs if it wasn't for emulators. And for them that is piracy.

[@bucklemonster21994]

It makes sense piracy preserves media. It can be found in a decentralized way, it is often downloaded in a decentralized way and people have their own copy each.

[@ner0p]

Cool seeing my Shenmue 2 widescreen patch being featured in this channel ;)