I finally watched Russell Nelson's talk

[@genericname865]

This talk is a train wreck of a talk. It essentially boils down to thought control and the main point is to think Celestial, and that is problematic because that is a theoretical idea that we don't know exists and this thought process could cause irreparable damage to certain relationships, especially the section where he mentions about not associating with those who have lost their doubt. And what's funny is that all of my associates who are members praise it as one of the best talks in recent memory. Yikes...

[@tawneenielsen4080]

Most people see it as a miracle he spoke. I see it as he couldn't miss any opportunity to be seen as a speaker of God. He knows his time is short and can't fathom not being seen and heard. Did anyone else notice his tongue seemed thick? Meaning, maybe his pain meds hadn't worn off

[@Rabano_Yodado]

Thnx bro for this comparison. When i heard Nelson's talk it scared me, because i knew My parents were also watching the conference at their Home. It scared me and pissed me off because i knew that because of this idiot i was going to lose them. It is so bizarre to really hear and see them doing this.

[@ubermormon9611]

I feel the same way about my parents watching it:(

[@capo5005]

Really great breakdown. So great to see comparisons to other relevant things like Doe. Makes it so clear and easier to understand. A very great service you are doing, thank you!

[@ubermormon9611]

Thank you for the kind comment!

[@capo5005]

@@ubermormon9611 I like the way you think, bro! Keep it up

[@chrewtransformation]

5:37 ha yep i remember the shift to moral agency. Good call on including the Bednar clip

[@rebeccaloveless3594]

“Always a bridesmaid never a bishop.” 😂 That was my dad too!! Thank you for your content. I loved this video! 👍 👏

[@ubermormon9611]

Thank you. I really love making it!

[@user-fj4tp1gx6y]

Well said. I agree completely. I was a young teen in England when I met a returned missionary, went to California, married in the temple still a teenager, had 4 beautiful babies in less than 5 years. I am free now, no longer go to church and try to live the best I can with kindness every day. One of my children still goes to church here back in England, I support her, she loves it and I love the small Mormon community here although I no longer go. My 3 sons are all successful, happy, well educated and kind young American men who no longer believe. Sadly their father had cancer and was gone too soon, but my returned missionary was a drug addict that I divorced when the children were young. I then supported them alone, went back to school and have a master’s in nursing as my children’s father spent years in prison. Life is hard but beautiful, live today and fill the day with joy and kindness to share, how many complete families are perfect enough to attain an unknown goal? Think for yourself and love those around you. Have a happy day everyone. Thank you Ubermormon. Would love to see more videos🌟🇬🇧🇺🇸

[@ubermormon9611]

@@user-fj4tp1gx6y thank you for the nice words!

[@bradsky7464]

I like your concise and logical analysis of Nelson's talk. Keep up the good work!

[@ubermormon9611]

Much appreciated!

[@karlisolari6689]

This is super creepy Thank you for posting this

[@chrewtransformation]

9:34 when I learned about special pleading it caused a major shift in my deconstruction.

[@ubermormon9611]

Watching the WACO bio series illustrated special pleading for me.

[@patricianoel7782]

As an MS client I went for 5 separate sessions of ketamine in my pain management clinic. It was for pain and depression. I saw the other dimensions. I was given such relief for my brief future. I was a devout Mormon for 64 years. I never knew I had been living my life in a cult until 2 years ago.

[@ubermormon9611]

I’m sorry for the time you lost. I wish you the best going forward.

[@Jsppydays]

I believe you had a near-death experience I believe in them heart and soul. Due to the fact my grandmother had two and my son had one a year before his passing. It's a gift. God bless you!

[@chrewtransformation]

8:16 Marshall would have made a good apostle (that's not a compliment to him)

[@iheartcello0]

I totally connect with the Free Agency semantics. I remember seminary lessons about the difference between Free Will and Agency. Whenever I hear the phrase "free agency" I still instinctively turn my head in a "Well actually..." motion....

[@counterpoiseag6068]

Uber - love your content, even though I’m not Mormon (deconstructing catholic at the moment). I’m not sure I believe in the “cookies in the sky” anymore, but if I am honest I still wish /hope that there is something more on the other side (not in the ancient text way). Can you relate? Likely a byproduct of my brainwashing. Thx for your content! Makes me feel less alone.

[@ubermormon9611]

I 100% relate. I don’t WANT there to be nothing after we die. I THINK that is the most likely outcome. I HOPE for it just like you do. Thanks for being here:)

[@SavvyShannon]

Also really liked your view on NDE

[@rogermartinez8606]

What if I don't want to be sealed to my scandalous wife for eternity. I can barely stand to be around her for 5 minutes now.

[@ubermormon9611]

Before becoming an atheistic worldview, the god I believed in wouldn’t force something like that. What do you think will happen?

[@rogermartinez8606]

@@ubermormon9611 I was raised roman Catholic but I am agnostic. I do find religious beliefs fascinating. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around some of the things people believe in all religious beliefs. I'm glad you got away from the church. I have seen so many people traumatized by religion. Good luck and you really are doing a public service by educating people.

[@tamaraelsberry6630]

Get a divorce.

[@chase.wilson]

There was this discussion that I was watching between I think Bill Reel and Jacob Hansen (although it could have been someone else) where Bill asked Jacob is he would be happy to have his own daughters live and work in the Joseph Smith household. Or if president Nelson said that it was time to bring back Polygamy, would he be OK with following the prophets under those circumstances. Jacob’s (or whoever it was) said that they would definitely need to pray on it and receive his own confirmation before he could make a decision. I think about that conversation a lot. It’s almost as if there’s nothing that we won’t rationalize, and the leaders appear to be banking on that. I’ve seen in the early church, wherever somebody took issue with some goings on - the leaders would implore the people to pray about it themselves. It’s either implicit or explicitly meaning - pray about it until you are comfortable doing as you’re told.

[@ubermormon9611]

I think that was Bill and Jacob. Sad that members permitted to trust their own thoughts unless they already align with what the church approves. Jacob would most likely be praying for the strength to let it happen. Sad.

[@violetlaw8119]

Mr skull and bones 322 , appears to resemble a reptilian

[@translucentbricksky2086]

It's a tangent, but brain activity could continue while hearts aren't pumping. I think the bigger problem with NDEs is that 1) they are largely contradictory 2) they seem to depend on each person's religious background and preexisting expectations 3) they are unverifiable anyways.

[@papsmirnoff101]

I would not wish living forever to my worst enemy. Think about that for a second living forever what a nightmare. even a 1000 years would creep me out but FOREVER LOL.

[@ubermormon9611]

A little off topic but if you’ve seen the ending of the good place this makes perfect sense.

[@rogerbrunt5918]

Lol 😂 to be exact

[@teekonnal2099]

Thank you for this! I think you pointing out special pleading is spot on. Having been a TBM, this is exactly how I used to think - "yeah, those imposters sound similar to us, but that is just Satan imitating God's Truth to lead away the Elect". Also, the supernatural/postmortality interpretations of the near death experience phenomenon have been widely criticized and perfectly good naturalistic explanations exist. The naturalistic explanations of phenomena are always superior to supernatural explanations. If history of science can teach us a fundamental observation, it is that the body of phenomena once considered supernatural is shrinking with the passage of time 🙂.

[@ubermormon9611]

I love when eloquent people tell me they liked something. Thank you for a thoughtful comment!

[@user-vc9xr9if5f]

How his name?

[@Monkumii]

Is it weird for this video to make me feel angry? I’ve been separated from the church for a while now but have never put too much serious thought into it. I was disconnecting myself from the idea of religion as a whole but this video emphasized obvious issues I didn’t even realize were there. I feel almost cheated by the programming that I know I haven’t fully shook.

[@ubermormon9611]

Sorry it woke that up in you.

[@Monkumii]

@@ubermormon9611 Don’t be sorry, I really appreciated this video. I had always assumed that the manipulative aspects of the church were just an inherent part of religion. Even growing up as an active member, I never had that much faith. Mormon teachings being entirely false doesn’t completely shatter my worldview. My frustration comes from seeing the manipulative tactics used to indoctrinate people. I’m unsure of what to attribute to my frustrations. It’s hard to believe that Joseph Smith was honest and of sound mind in the creation of the church. However, I don’t know if the sequential prophets are acting intentionally manipulative or if they are genuine believers who are just continuing the cycle of manipulation without even realizing it.

[@chrewtransformation]

0:20 Lol listening to your 150% on 2x

[@ubermormon9611]

Hahahaha

[@lesbrown8915]

Nicely put!

[@ubermormon9611]

Thanks!

[@JeffDayPoppy]

You might *try* to appreciate the hell out of me, but the hell was already out of me!

[@ubermormon9611]

I don’t care if you’re a dad or not, you just got a dad joke award. 🥇

[@MegaJohn144]

Nelson sounds very desperate. Not having your marriage valid in the next life doesn't mean you won't get to see and be with your family. Ask yourself: who or what is going to stop you? If you are going to apply that passage he quoted from Section 132, then you ought to universally apply it, not just to marriage, but to all performances, vows, expectations, etc. Section 132 has a very dicey history. It came out long after Joseph was dead. It contains doctrine that contradicts all other scripture. Joseph Smith did not follow the precepts of Section 132. After Joseph died, the church authorities falsified parts of his journal. You can see this in the Joseph Smith Papers. If they falsified his journal, they could and would have also falsified his revelations. The church is teaching false doctrine when it says you get to choose which of three kingdoms you will end up in, in the last judgment. The degrees of glory are successive states that we go through, just like is portrayed in the temple. In other words, Jacob's ladder only goes from one place to another place. It doesn't branch out. Jacob's ladder progresses through the degrees of glory. A careful reading of Sections 76 and 88 show this. "Exaltation" is not salvation on steroids. There is only one definition of salvation.

[@rockytreadway]

❤

[@ubermormon9611]

❤️

[@deidrekline2149]

Wasting this one precious life for the promise of some man made imaginary after-life. How Egyptian.

[@SavvyShannon]

Okay, I didn’t here the beginning about heavens gate, no wonder I was getting Hale bop comment vibes! However after watching the temple ceremony, I just assumed that was someone from the church. I am dating a morman and am new to all of this, I am not new to freemasonry however and when I started investigating ole Joseph, I almost fell off the bed when I realized he simply STOLE the ceremony.

[@Telow599]

First of all you only have One life bar in this life might as well thrive to the End and Survive.

[@christinaelliott1087]

Great video, as far as the NDEs gripe you have if you want Eben Alexander, will give you some food for thought, also, Amy Call, as an exmormon. Also, did anyone else notice that doe (sorry for spelling) never blinks….

[@grandmaroxie2210]

Speeding him up helps his smacking and speech problems. Thank you for making him more tolerable. 😂

[@brettneuberger6466]

Let’s take an exacting look at what Truth Really is. In its purest form Truth can’t be attacked, discredited, debated or even explained. Truth is nothing more and nothing less than what it is….which just is. (Remember, I Am is the name of God) Truth is Truth and so is everything “else.” How could it be otherwise? It can’t. Once this is seen, the question of whether or not a church is True becomes obsolete and completely absurd.

[@violetlaw8119]

Also, imo, the heavens gate goofball, looks rather reptilian too

[@jeepmap1]

Did you have your Marijuana before or will you have it after the show?

[@VAATAUSILI4139]

GOD the Eternal FATHER, & HIS WIFE, GODDESS, our beloved HOLY Eternal MOTHER are fully aware of, this Man & his video, perfectly reveal rebelliousness.

[@IIIJT]

Which eternal mother for the podcaster, for yourself and for me? In the realms of celestial polygamy, the God of Mormon theology presides, not unlike the barbarians of yore, over a harem of women. This celestial court, an echo of primal urges, seems intent on a Darwinian mission: to propagate the divine lineage into future generations. It conjures an image of a pantheon, not of singular divinity, but of a multitude of heavenly consort mothers. Among these celestial consorts, one wonders which might claim the honor or burden of being the primary goddess mother of you, your neighbor, or even your earthly siblings. Are we all celestial half-brothers and half-sisters?

[@VAATAUSILI4139]

@@IIIJT Our beloved HOLY GODDESS, the Eternal MOTHER is, the WIFE of GOD, our Eternal FATHER, who are in-charge of Planet Earth. They're our ETERNAL PARENT'S, while we're with THEM, in the PRE-MORTAL LIFE, before Earth Life. Our beloved, HOLY Eternal GODDESS MOTHER, and our GOD the Eternal FATHER, and US, already exist, in the PRE-MORTAL LIFE, before Earth Life.

[@IIIJT]

​@@VAATAUSILI4139 I'm not entirely sure you're having fun with me or I'm having fun with you. Maybe this is all parody and we are having fun together. In the labyrinthine corridors of Mormon theology, lurks a celestial character most enigmatic, most elusive - the Goddess Mother, or should we say, mothers? This divine entity, or entities, shrouded in celestial mystery, is akin to an ecclesiastical Waldo, ever-present but perpetually hidden from view. She is there, they insist, but not for your eyes, ears, or especially, your prayers. Now, one must appreciate the cosmic irony here. In a religion that boasts of direct revelation and additional scripture, the Heavenly Mother(s) remain a theological afterthought, cloaked in divine obscurity. It's as if Joseph Smith, in his revelatory zest, overlooked a footnote that read: "P.S. There are divine women of strength and intellect too." The Mormon Heavenly Mother, barred from the podium, absent from the scriptures, is the ultimate embodiment of the church’s views on womanhood. Here is a goddess who embodies the quintessential virtues of Mormon femininity: silence, invisibility, and a celestial breeding program that would make a Victorian blush. She is not to be prayed to, spoken of, or acknowledged in any meaningful ecclesiastical role, save for her contribution to an eternal polygamous arrangement. Ah, the joys of celestial polygamy - where women are not just hidden, but multiplied and then amassed in divine harems. This divine maternal figure, ostensibly equal in glory and power, is conveniently tucked away from any narrative that might place her on an equal footing with her male counterparts. It's almost as if the Mormon God attended the same gender seminars as the Catholic Church, concluding that divine representation is a strictly male bastion. In the grand cosmic scheme, where gods and planets are as common as Brigham Young's progeny, the Heavenly Mother is the ultimate paradox - omnipresent in theory, yet conspicuously absent in doctrine. She's there, somewhere, behind the veil of celestial patriarchy, whispering, "Here I am, not that you'd know it." So, to the devout and curious, I say, good luck praying to this hidden goddess. Perhaps in the echoes of your unanswered prayers, you might just hear the faint chuckle of Mormonism's best-kept secret - a goddess who exists but doesn't, reigns but doesn't rule, and is revered but never revealed. In the grand pantheon of religious oddities, the Mormon Heavenly Mother truly takes the celestial cake, without any of the icing.

[@drakosophos]

Hey friend, a lot of this was stuff I would have expected to hear from other channels-I found the first half to contain many scarecrows and misunderstandings of the broader picture. In particular the claims of NDEs and when they start/stop. While you discuss the structure of the claim and its veracity you overlook one of the key components in what is happening. In a way it’s tied to how you discussed determining the “feeling” of the time of the experience, there is a difference between physical time and states of exotic phenomenal time which are still valid structures of time and the qualia of the experience, but there is a difficult explanatory barrier here. The language of such events is tricky to parse. In regards to free and moral agency, it’s a bit of an old hat argument; every Exmo makes the same one. It’s too bad Bernard et al are correct though. Nelson is off-putting and his linguistic is trash, so the comparison is workable, but Nelson’s message, while still divisive, is more clear and less culty than the shown counterpart. If they’re going to keep multiplying the earth some division is not only inevitable, but necessary.

[@ubermormon9611]

Could you name one of the many straw-man’s?

[@drakosophos]

Tired from long day and catching a flight tomorrow so here’s just some relative timestamps from a second listen through without further explanation for the time being. 2:28 4:53 7:00 14:45 16:30 19:50

[@Sayheybrother8]

@@drakosophostypical apologetic response, I don’t have time to address the concerns or it’s not worth it so here a couple counterpoints that don’t explain the apologist view or contradict the evidence presented by the questioners.

[@drakosophos]

@@Sayheybrother8 Typical!

[@Sayheybrother8]

@@drakosophos yes and Dan Peterson has perfected it. For me it is the most concerning objection to points made by those with questions. The other, “you need to disregard the evidence and trust the narrative we’ve been told.

[@harambeboy]

make another video

[@trustGodsOnly]

LØL YOUS ARE FUNNY , u get some money from ur lil videos? 😂😂😂

[@ubermormon9611]

I don’t currently make money from this channel. One day I hope to, but not on false pretenses.

[@markmorley7938]

I find your thoughts and your understanding lacking. Sure I understand the need to determine one’s own destination by their connection with God and that is it. How can one come up with an assumption that those that are close to God are going on to mislead others? Do we just turn away from ancient scripture and think we can gain personal inspiration of what is truth and what is not true? You may think that the words of some is just a manipulation for others to follow but I ask to what end? To become a disbeliever, or perhaps to gain an higher understanding than God? Sorry but none of your thoughts give anything except quandry and having others believe or manipulated into thinking you know what you are talking about and that you speak truth? Sorry but your theories are absolutely nonsensical and it is only when you have truth witnessed to you personally from God , that any of us can find a concrete foundation on anything! You prove to me that you know better than God, Jesus Christ or The Holy Ghost and guess what you have no way of convincing me otherwise because I have had those higher witnesses!

[@ubermormon9611]

The guy saying we should make data driven decisions is the nonsensical? Ok!

[@markmorley7938]

@@ubermormon9611 I ask you where are you in life? Where are you going and how do you propose to get there? Everything that the Godhead teach are to the benefit of mankind, so where are your philosophies taking you? Your connotations offer nothing, your thoughts are unhealthy and your expectations are on the road to nowhere?

[@markmorley7938]

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[@markmorley7938]

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[@DRT279]

The LDS church lives rent free in your head. 😂

[@Alnava-ml3wn]

Rent free is better than paying 10% of your income.

[@DRT279]

@@Alnava-ml3wn Like I said before and I’ll say it again cuz it’s true. The LDS lives rent free in your head. You paying 10% wouldn’t amount to much but would benefit you profoundly. You can test it out. You really have little to lose by paying tithing.

[@benzun9600]

Build your life around a goal based on Faith. You dont need to base your goals based on the reality you see. If you only live on what you see you miss out on so much, you dont even have to be religious to understand this. I took his words dont take advice from non believers as dont take advice on how to be healthy from fat people or dont take advice from poor people on how to be rich, not that hard to comprehend. Heavens gate comparison is a stretch showing your bias, I get exmos want to place blame on an organization or man for how their life turned out but that is to easy. Look most exmos are not atheist or deists, its what happens , these people are not who those of faith that want to keep faith should entertain. Guard your thoughts

[@BradleyNowell-zl1jg]

You got a lot to figure out still brother you need to go through some real life hard things....

[@teekonnal2099]

Please elaborate.

[@ubermormon9611]

I know. I’m on the edge of my seat over here.

[@percival1137]

You made a video...about someone else...talking... intriguing...sorry I could watch it...just had to say "bully"😂

[@chadpearson1572]

You guys are fulfilling scriptural prophecy, you need to repent!

[@Chardona24]

If this life is all we have them s conversation never existed, b cause eventually there will be nothing one around to remember it. Nothing anyone does will ever exist. Once death occurs there is nothingness. Eventually the earth will not even exist and the human experience will be as if it never happened. However, if you look at the power of of Christ's body after He was resurrected we begin to understand why we must be mortal prior to becoming immortal. Christ appeared in the middle of a closed room after He was resurrected. They thought He was a spirit. He assured them He was flesh and bones. Romans 6 :9 says Christ will never die again. If we had a body that could pass through walls could a prison hold you? No. Laws would be useless. If we were immortal from birth we wouldn't listen to anyone, not even God. Because God loves us He made us mortal prior to becoming immortal, so we can learn from our mistakes. And Jesus paid for our mistakes if we learn from them.