I FIXED the Most Hated Rifle... [Mossberg Patriot .308]

[@WHOTEEWHO]

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[@mhughes1160]

Cheapskate , cheap rifle and cheap bulotts makes perfect sense . LoL 😂 👍

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Bingo

[@Mike80528]

I'd love to see gun shops put together ammo sampler packs - 5 rounds each from 4 different brands/versions of bullets for gun testing. You could buy a pack or two and nail down which ammo your gun prefers...great gun show idea for anyone paying attention.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Good idea

[@texpatriot8462]

Gun shops will never do it, but companies like Hornady should offer 20 round sample packs for cartridges with multiple offerings: Eldx, SST, Interlock, and CX.

[@bigtexfirearmsllc]

We offer it to our customers on reloads. They get 5 different loads at 4 rounds each. Doing factory ammo would be very expense on the dealer.

[@eltomas3634]

That has always been something I thought about doing. But, when you got a pile of bing bangs, ammo never goes to waste. I just keep them on hand for other projects. One tip: write it down in a logbook which guns like what, if you're like me you will forget. And some folks even write it down on a piece of paper and put it under the butt plate.

[@jisaacs8]

That Norma ammo is the real deal. My savage 308 absolutely loves the 150 grain Norma whitetail ammo. I got same hole groups with it. I appreciate the time, money,, and effort you put into this!

[@CanukWbyFan]

Savages will shoot almost anything well. My Mark 2 in 22lr shoots 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards with Winchester whitebox ammo.

[@davemcmullen6682]

@@jisaacs8 Im a fan of Norma ammo too..

[@toddhall5565]

​@@CanukWbyFanI bought a Mark 2 Minimalist a few weeks ago and am really impressed with it. So far I've only shot Winchester Power Point through it but it shoots basically one hole at 50 yards with about as many rounds as you want to shoot. I've gotten a couple good 100 yard groups as well.

[@craigbraswell4269]

I've got a savage axis 2 precision with the heavy barrel and I can get .292 groups at 100 yards with 155 gr match all day. .650 groups with 168 gr match.

[@frankrodriguez9697]

Playing nurse maid to a picky eater is a true test of one's metal.

[@sapago4166]

*mettle

[@CabinOnTheWater]

I agree with Jim. If you can take it out again and shoot a similar 3 round cold group then I think you have a winner.

[@TODinWY]

Which proves this ONE gun has promise. If you need a cheap gun buy a 783 and work with it.

[@jfess1911]

Those next groups should be overlaid and compared to the first targets (or shot on the same target) to see where the next 3-shot group lands in respect to the first. I recently watched a video showing individual impacts of a 20-round group. The overall group size was about 2.5" but each of the first three, three shot groups were less than half that (this was a worn out heavy barreled rifle and the shots were random, not "walking" in a particular direction as the barrel heated up). The second and fifth shots were about 2" apart, but as long as you just looked at individual 3-shot groups, you would not have seen that. Some hunters have gone so far as to take a single target and do one to three cold-bore shots per day for a week or two. Although it took a lot of time, they figured it was the best way to see how consistent the rifle was for that important first shot.

[@eltomas3634]

Jim needs to get some Win power points and try his patriot, I bet it will do the same.

[@jfess1911]

@@eltomas3634 He sent that rifle off to Ultimate Reloader who couldn't get it to group either. It was a barrel issue. He put the action into a fancy chassis stock which worked great with a new barrel but still performed badly with the old one. A lot of things can happen during barrel making to cause problems. Sometimes there is a flaw in the steel, other times it is a machining issue. This rifle has a button-rifled barrel. It is not terribly uncommon for a button to skip and produce a bad spot that will affect accuracy. These can be found, but the extra equipment and testing adds cost so it is not done on an inexpensive rifle.

[@eltomas3634]

@jfess1911 I still think it would have shot well with Winchester Power Point 150 gr or 180 gr. I've had several Mossberg rifles Mavericks, ATRs, Patriots and they shoot fine with the right ammo. They shoot terrible without the right ammo. Button rifling is fine, of course one could be bad, but its a very reliable process. I hope this whole Patriot good/bad issue continues and the other channels or someone figures out why they almost require the Winchester ammo. It has to be a variable in the ammo specs. I hope they try it again because of WTW's results.

[@bigal7125]

I am really, really glad you were able to do this! Congratulations!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

🙏🙏🙏

[@davidjernigan8161]

Seems like how they are chambered, the twist rate or barrel harmonics make it like standard cup and core lead core bullets in the 150 grain range.

[@ronthompson2366]

I will have to agree with your friend. The same thing was going through my mind. Three shots, ok.... let's see it, do it repeatedly. Before it's done.

[@etxtremor9404]

Agreed, but i think he was just trying to find a starting point with ammo that would group.

[@smokedbrisket3033]

The thing about hunting rifles is they don't need to do it repeatedly. They need to be able to do it cold-bore with a single shot.

[@johncmitchell4941]

For any gun to be ammo-picky is one thing, but guess which among these loads have been around the longest. Don't discount the affordable stuff because fancy bullets are 'better', esp if they don't group as well as what's on the shelf and suits the wallet. Props to WTW for reminding us to keep trying other stuff. I actually thought he'd come up with something like partial bedding, stock screw torque, or something mechanical. Not. 🙂

[@JayLewisFarmStyle]

Thanks Adam! I watch and enjoy all your stuff, but I was particularly interested in this series. We did a series on our channel a couple of years ago on an old 1990s era Winchester Model 70 in .243 that we rescued out of a scrap pile. Long story short: after much time, effort and hundreds spent on different factory and hands loads the best groups we ever achieved from that rifle were with cheap old Winchester Super X Power Point 150gr. which ironically is probably one of the first commercial offerings ever made for the .243. Thanks again for all you do👍

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Crazy how that happens sometimes. Appreciate you watching

[@leonhart2452]

On the one Winchester load with the copper bullet, try cleaning the bore to bare steel. Any jacket fouling can throw off copper bullets. Been proven by many KZbinrs. Once clean shoot 3 to 5 shots tomseason the bore to the copper.

[@bruced1429]

I have shot many many many Barnes copper bullets for 264 win mag 338 win mag , 6.5 x55 swede 308 win. Never had any problems , but you must remove the copper after 20 rounds, Barnes says so in their reload manual. AND you have to seat them 50 thousands back from the lands . Do this and you will have good results. I am a firearms instructor and I teach this in my classes.

[@jasonshink6589]

Why TF would you do all that and not just buy the .3 inch group stuff

[@theoriginalDAL357]

@@jasonshink6589Because life’s too easy and you want to introduce unnecessary complexity into your life? Just spitballing.

[@andreisharma]

@@jasonshink6589well for me in a savage 110 the Barnes is the only thing that gives .3 group. Plus I like shoulder shots on elk n such so 338 barnes would be way better than the 2 moa eldx that blows up to bits on a shoulder bone

[@adamdoig1448]

The ppu ammo is the cheapest here in New Zealand and it mint totally underrated

[@rejectthereset8480]

Glad you were able to find an ammo it likes! Hope it groups consistently! That Mossberg is a sharp looking rifle and it's sad if it's a lemon. Glad you were able to reach out to the Backfire channel and Gavin and got some advice from them! Always good to follow up!

[@kirkboswell2575]

👍 Good job!!! Just an FYI, though - it is a well established quirk that all copper bullets won't group well from a barrel that has had standard copper guilding bullets through it. In order to determine what all copper bullets are capable of, from any particular barrel, you have to shoot that group from a thoroughly cleaned barrel. Thanks for checking things out so well!

[@larryduttry9400]

I was thinking this after watching Ron Spomer demonstrate this “phenomenon” with different bullet weights and bullet constructions.

[@LogosMediaII]

Glad you got it worked out. I was at the range with my son last weekend with a new Sig Cross 6.5CM and we were doing barrel break-in. We used that Hornady Whitetail, too, literally the cheapest ammo we could find. 4 shots clean, 4 shots clean, shots 9-14 - a 5-shot group - we had 4 in the same hole with one "flyer" a quarter inch off - I likely pulled it, for a .586" group. I had mentioned previously that we had two Patriots, and mine was a real dog and sold it, my son's does well - same model as yours - the higher end one. With load work-ups the best group I got was .99. I paid $289 for mine and it wasn't worth $500-700 in ammo to figure out - especially in a state that requires lead free.

[@arthurlagasse1994]

My brother and I have taken several " lemons" and with meticulous and judicious handloads were able to bring them all to sub moa. Not easy but can be done.We even brought back several that were in a " fireproof safe" but not waterproof. Those were bears to do

[@biggs8729]

Agree with Jim. For a test to be valid it has to be repeatable. If you can get similar results with the rest of the box, I would be impressed.

[@xaviergreyling6620]

Well done WHO-TEE! Finally something the rifle likes! Is very interesting that a .308 likes 150gr. Not every day .308 is happy with 150gr....we all know that every other .308 settles on 165gr-169gr. And if you are really lucky, 180gr as well (JP SAUER S100, CZ 550LUX, STEYR) giving you 0.5" groups. On the copper tips flying all over, Jim and Ron both encountered it: when swapping between lead-core & monolithic bullets, you gotta scrub that barrel. This process is not even caliber specific! Happened in ALL of 'em....from .243, 6.5CM, .308, 7RM, 300WM!!!! ALL my rigs refused to group when I swapped to monolithic...until I scrubbed the barrel. Then again, be grateful that rifle likes the cheap stuff. Very lucky!!!!! I had to settle on relatively expensive 180gr SAKO SUPER HAMMERHEAD 180gr...the FEDERAL FUSION is much cheaper!

[@roystephenson5607]

Leave it to you, Adam! Some of the other channels have spent money to actually rebuild the rig to try to get it to group… And you pull off a .35! Extraordinary well done

[@IRishbuck58]

All the money on ammo and the rifle you could have got a tikka lol👍 good video

[@WHOTEEWHO]

True 😝

[@adamelam6385]

Wish he would get a Tikka to test. Come on Adam if you can swing the Sako S20 you can swing Sako's "red headed stepchild" Tikka.

[@johncmitchell4941]

That wouldn't prove anything about the Mossy.

[@adamelam6385]

@@johncmitchell4941 it's no secret they are inconsistent. This one was no different but it had a silver lining.

[@Zer0Edits00]

Tikka costs more still 💀 he already has a few CVA cascades, those will do all he needs to do

[@dennisgilcrease957]

I always like the looks of the Patriot but when doing research on it Jim was on top with views on it and I changed my mind glad you found something it likes. Thank you for your videos.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching

[@jimpapay2895]

It's interesting how different manufacturers in bullets makes such a big difference? It would be cool to measure the barrel temp with these testings.

[@AllAboutSurvival]

Great video! It’s interesting to see how you tackled the challenges with this rifle

[@oldgandy5355]

Perseverance. Determination. And the right color T-shirt. Now work on some good hand-loads. 🤔

[@Mike-xi4zt]

Re-crowning the barrel has always improved accuracy from my experience.. Brownells sells a crowning tool with a pilot specific to caliber. You can use that tool to recrown a barrel without a lathe. It does a pretty good job and cost less than $400.

[@Mike-xi4zt]

For $500 you can get a custom high quality barrel. So you can spend $$ on ammo or spend it on the barrel to mitigate spending it on random amounts of ammo. Take your pick

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

So happy that you found 4 loads that actually shot well for you out of the best “looking” $400 rifle out there. Hopefully 🤞🏻 it will be repeatable. I wish I could have found American 🇺🇸 Whitetail in 300 WSM on the shelf at Cabela’s when I picked up my rifle. That way I didn’t have to use at the time (2019) a $43 box of Hornady Outfitter with 180 grain GMX to foul up my barrel and sight it in. Those 165 grain Interlocks are decently accurate and somewhat affordable.

[@cervus-venator]

Thanks WTW. I couldn't catch the premiere as between Sparta and Cookeville I have no signal. Went to Cookeville and watched. Awesome on finding that ammo to match the rifle. I'm looking forward to part 4 and the repeat

[@bow99hunter]

You gave me a lot of hope for mine. No reconsidering not getting ride of mine. I was getting what you got the first time. Haven't bothered with it since.

[@jonathanhoppe6500]

I had similar results with my PSA PA10 Gen III. I got it cheap because it was "horribly inaccurate." First rounds I tried were cor-lokt 150gr and I got two 3/4" groups back to back at 100yrds. Moved to more expensive 150gr power point, 4 inch group. Same with pretty much every other ammo I shot. I'll have to try that hornady whitetail as well!!

[@Mike80528]

The PA10's seem to like 168 grain the best from what I recall. It can be pickier about the 150 grain. At least that was what I found in the various videos I could find. Haven't shot mine enough to speak from personal experience yet, but I stocked up on 168 gr.

[@paulstoyek381]

After testing I look forward to your view on whether it was all worth it or not..Taking into account this could happen with any budget rifle..IMO..

[@Rufus_McMillian]

My 308 loves the 150g powershok ammo

[@jamesbromstead4949]

Good on you WTW for your persistence. Thanks for the video.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching

[@eltomas3634]

WOOHOO! I hate to say I told you so....but Itoldyouso! Mossberg Mavericks, Patriots, and ATRs like Winchester Power Point 150s and 180s. I don't know why exactly, has to be something with bullet land engagement, I think, IDK for sure. The first Mossberg rifle I got in .308 , I didn't want to do what you did and that was spend a bunch of money on ammo to find the best, so I just researched what others did. The Win PPs was the best I had. Glad you saved the old thing!

[@Based_and_leadpilled]

Thanks for doing this. From a practicality stand point the Savage Axis runs circles around the patriot in 308 for the same price

[@wbsj00076]

My Remington model 700 270 mountain rifle loves the Hornady American whitetail 130g..that was a really fun video!

[@Phalanx443]

Outstanding, Adam! I always like to start with the cheap stuff and work my way up.. slightly more cost effective, but when dealing with trial and error, it can get expensive! Good on you for being rock steady and persevering.

[@davemcmullen6682]

I am going to get a Savage 243..for myself. probably by Christmas...since I've been such a good senior citizen 😁

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Good choice

[@davemcmullen6682]

Because every guy needs at least 4 deer rifles

[@reloadnorth7722]

6 years ago I purchased a Mossberg MVP Predator 7.62x51/308 with a heavy short barrel. I put a Vortex Crossfire II 3-9x50mm illuminated reticle. I use 165/168gr ammo and it is a near 1 hole tack driver. I am 61, diabetic that has the shakes, and I will state that this rifle shoots far better than I can.

[@M60E3G]

I have a Mossberg ATR 100 in .308 from about 15 years ago that still keeps to nearly one hole with 147gr ball, 150 SPs or 168’s. Couple years ago I put a Boyd’s At-One stock and an Arken 4-16 on it.

[@reloadnorth7722]

@@M60E3G Right on

[@donbenson5292]

Glad you got that dialed in. I dont buy loaded ammo but did do a comparion with 150gr Norma. They group fair but are 150 to 200 fps lower than the box says. I am using a Win XPR in 308 and playing with a 30-06 just to see what they will do when i get done tuning.

[@kellym3531]

Way to go Mossberg, it's hard to make Winchester ammunition look good!

[@Thousand_yard_King]

That's funny because Winchester ammunition in my 303 British is the one that performs the best! I've tried them all, and none of them work very well except Winchester and the original world War II British ammo.

[@JimSevier-p5z]

I watched an episode of Backfire where they tested budget rifles. Out of the many rifles they tested only one rifle wouldn’t group worth a crap and that was the Mossberg Patriot chambered in 308 He later sent the rifle back to Mossberg and the told him they fixed it. The rifle still would not group at a hundred yards

[@timothymitchell4261]

I have been told by really good shooters that if you change to all copper, you need to do a deep cleaning to get all the lead out of the barrel. Then the groups will tighten up.

[@Manco65]

While the same cartridge basically ut was a totally different type of rifle but I once owned a Springfield Armory SAR-48 budh rifle. Basically a fixed stock IMBEL made FAL with a 17.5"bbl It wouldn't group for crap with any of my loads that were 1.5moa from my NM M1A and 0.5 and less from my bolt actions. Guess what that dang thing shot 1MOA and less? Freaking copper washed steel cased Norinco!🙄

[@garyshrum2076]

You hung in there like a champ trying to make it work. Looks like you will have 2 choices to go with. Next you need to try them with a cold barrel test. Congratulations.

[@PaulNirschl]

With all copper bullets you need to start with a barrel cleaned to bare metal or it will not group. Something to do with the two different types of copper. I did the same thing shot all copper right after copper jacketed bullets out fo a Tiika, it was horrible. Then cleaned the barrel and it shot .5” 5 shot group with all copper bullets.

[@Sambomoses]

That would make my day if I could get my lemon shooting ...I'd keep it and just keep a stock of what it likes

[@Thousand_yard_King]

The problem has got to be a combination of chambering, throat, and twist rate. If the chambering is okay along with the headspace, then the throat is too shallow where the bullet is engaging the rifling too soon, perhaps upon cocking. And then the rifling is too slow for anything above 150 grain. Perhaps 1 in 18? If it were a 1 and 10 it would handle that 180 grain without any problem.

[@V8RJIM]

Try the Federal Power Shok 150 grain (Blue Box)

[@mikewest712]

Seems to be the most recommended for the Mossberg patriots. Still haven't bought any for mine. Sig, ppu, and Hornady were no good.

[@vettepicking]

The main thing with mossbergs is the cold bore shot, and the walking as it warms up. Makes them no good for targets or hunting....

[@NELLY-jg2rx]

Just think WTW, its all luck, you could have grabbed a box of 27.99 Hornady American Whitetail first and found the ammo it liked 1st try! Thanks for keeping up the effort on this!

[@True70woodsman]

Good to see you’ve found something it likes. The American Whitetail is one of the most consistently accurate rounds I’ve experienced. But pencils through deer from my 270 and 308. It has good terminal performance from my 300WM. I guess the extra velocity/energy makes it open up well.

[@rogerphilipps8466]

Glad you got it working. I was afraid it was that truck muffler on the end since my non threaded one works fine with the cheapest 150g I can find online.

[@trellbradley4506]

Federal power shock is good to 150gr

[@brucesmith5501]

Ron Spomer said that some jacketed bullets and solid copper bullets don’t run well together ,try separating them cleaning when switching between them

[@scotthillman3642]

My Winchester Black Shadow 7mm WSM wouldn’t group anything well. I almost sold it but decided to shoot Winchester Power Max 150 grain as a last ditch effort. After all, it was my first rifle. I covered all three shots with a dime! I kept the gun and bought several boxes of the Power Max. Tack driver with that ammo!

[@rogerbrown966]

I agree loading ur own makes a diff. My patriot 25-06 shoots consistant 1/2 groups. When i bought it i bought 2 boxes of factory stuff jst to get brass. 117 grain sierra game kings , 50 gr imr 4064. Can shoot groups that looks like a clover.

[@penroddavis8098]

Do a complete stripping of all the folding metal in the bore and then try the solid copper bullets like the Winchester. Your buddy Ron Spomer.has quite a bit of info on the fact that copper bullets won't shoot with gilding metal fouling in the bore.

[@jmc041071]

I've seen that sometimes copper bullets can be finicky. Have to start with a clean barrel then shoot a few just to lay down some metal in the barrel before testing for groups. Sometimes even between other copper bullets. I know you know Ron Spomer, I'm sure you've seen that in his tests.

[@Doc-Holliday1776]

Awesome video, the one big thing I have seen and heard about Mossberg rifles is the stock is weak. Seen videos on them breaking internally. 308 is not a low pressure round, would not be shocked if it happens. Loved my Ruger 308, and so so sad I had to let it go.

[@smokedbrisket3033]

Adam, have you ever tried Meopta optics? Made in Czech Republic, really good glass that doesn't break the bank. Optika 5 is their "budget" line, I'd say they're about as clear as a VX-3 or maybe even VX-5. That's what I have mounted on the 9.3x62 I took to Africa, worked like a champ. The only thing I can't say anything about is how well they hold up. I haven't had mine very long, but I've got a buddy down in Oz who has one on his 35W, he rolls his own, and rolls 'em hot. He's been using Meopta for a few years, no complaints. My only complaint about them is the length of tube between the bells - right at 6". For LA rifles, you really need to use a Picatinny so you have some wiggle room on scope placement/eye relief.

[@martyadams3915]

I have a model 99 ruger in .308 that absolutely love the american whitetail ammo. This gun is super picky, i believe because the harmonics of the very light barrel to very heavy action ratio. I had almost given up on better than 2 inch groups and my wife got me some of those hornadys for christmas. I think mostly because my son wanted to keep the gun in the family lol. They did the trick and shoot as good as i will ever shoot now.

[@charlesreediii5083]

Adam, I own a few Mossbergs, 308, 30-06, 270, they all like the Winchester ammo, I'm gonna try the Hornady WT see if I get the same results. Thanks for sticking with the 308 I knew it was a good rifle. Gbwy.

[@shygirl-qu3ms]

good video. but that does not surprise me i have seen winchester power points do some incredible accuracy in various rifles and cartridges

[@johncmitchell4941]

The difference in a brand's ammo/price is all about the bullets. IME primers and brass are the usual quality no matter what we pay for 'factories'. Cheers.

[@shygirl-qu3ms]

@@johncmitchell4941 thank you

[@leonhart2452]

I have one in 6.5 CM that shoots ragged one hole groups at my back yard 50 yard range. Double that for 100 yards and it is a bit over 1/2" with Hornady 140 gr match ammo.

[@johncmitchell4941]

Patriot seems to have a positive rep in .243 also.

[@chevyon37s]

It’s mostly the .308 chamberings that have a bad rap. And in my experience pretty well any 6.5 cm rifle shoots well

[@anthonyguidas2012]

I’m glad you stuck with it and found an ammo it likes, even better that it likes the cheap stuff 👍

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching

[@johncmitchell4941]

When does that NOT happen? 😉

[@russellweber3466]

Mossberg has walnut stocks for the Patriot so does Boyds have laminate stocks for the Patriot, changing from the plastic stock could make quite a bit of difference in accuracy.

[@michaellai2062]

Can't wait for the next video wringing the accuracy out of the Mossy Patriot. I have the Mossy 4x4 w/ laminate wood and marinecote finish. Gorgeous gun but haven't shot it enough to know how it groups

[@celmer6]

Perhaps it just takes a while to Fire Lap the barrel and seat the action into the Stock? I'm curious if using a couple of hundred rounds of M80 Ball to break-in the barrel would help keep costs down during break-in?

[@sammartinez8084]

Great info 💯💯💯 and thanks again for the info 👍👍👍👍

[@Bill-4570]

😂 I been shooting and loading for the 308 win for around 45 years now🇨🇦 ...I think I might be stubborn 😂 but you sir are tough competition😂....can't wait to watch your next time with it at the bench ...thanks man

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching

[@MichaelSisley-fw3xr]

I cried uncle on my Patriot in 308. Nope, it was terrible. Bought a Savage 110 after that. That gun had no groups over 1". My pet load for it is a 165 Nosler Ballistic Tip, IMR 4064, .5".

[@outbackjack46270]

My sons left handed Ruger MK II?.270 stainless with green laminated stock just loves the Winchester 150gr Power Point ammo. Shoots 1/2" groups all day long with the PP. Every thing you read about 270's is that the 130 grain bullet is what made the 270 what it is however my sons cannot fire a two inch group no matter if it was factory 130gr or handloads. I switched and went for the walmart special as you say with the 150gr and never looked back. I bought a half dozen boxes of the 150's and still have most of it as he doesn't hunt anymore and I'm not a lefty. You just never know. After my experience with this gun when I buy a new gun I always buy the cheapest rounds I can find to start off seasoning the barrel and grouping and if the cheap stuff groups well I don't spend more on more expensive ammo. Power Points, Core-lokts, Hornady whitetail and even Privi Partisan PPU is the stuff I buy first. Sometimes guns like a specific weight of bullet. The first centerfire rifle I ever bought was a Rem 700 Mountain Rifle in 30-06 and it just loves 165gr rounds. My dad has taken at least three elk (one being a very large 6x6) a 300+ pound black bear with the 165gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw and many, many deer with the 165gr cheapies. He saves the bear claws for elk as they are spendy and since they group the same as the cheap rounds he uses the cheap ones on deer.

[@pewspaws6795]

My 22-250 loves the winchester super x 55gr sp. It was the cheapest round i could find when i got the rifle so it worked out great i was getting almost 1/4 moa consistently

[@xforce708]

Lol. I was already thinking it, but as soon as you mentioned Jim I knew you were not getting away with three shots. Lol. I’ve paused video to make this comment and if you mention Ron next you’re going to have to make a video of a clean barrel and those copper. 😳 But you’re right, we shouldn’t have to buy $500 of experimental ammo for the Patriot. It’s a really good looking rifle and surely Mossburg is tired of all the poor reviews and will hire someone to fix the issues.

[@dave_1958]

I bought my son a patriot a few years ago in .270 win and ours has been very accurate. 2 inch groups at 200 yds all day long shooting hornady whitetail 130 gr. It’s his favorite deer rifle even tho he has plenty of higher end rifles to choose from!!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

That's awesome!

[@steventanner1428]

I have a .270 that was built in the 30s. Mauser 99 action. Fabric National Belgium barrel. Bushnell scope. It likes 130 grain super x Winchester ammo. It groups well with other ammo. But it likes its Winchester.

[@wayne-oo]

It makes sense, cheap gun = cheap ammo !

[@rosalindstewart7013]

You done good mate, well done on finding the needle in the haystack, cheers Yogi ✌️

[@davemcmullen6682]

Yep I'm convinced. Will never buy a Mossberg patriot 308...

[@johncmitchell4941]

Try a Monza in .308. (Turkish like Wby, Rem, & CZ & others' SGs) Weird safety ahead of the bolt handle but like Wby Vanguard/Howa 1500 and a few others a nice alternative. YMMV on which ammo any gun likes. You knew that. Cheers.

[@davemcmullen6682]

@@johncmitchell4941 if I keep buying guns , going to need another safe.

[@johncmitchell4941]

@@davemcmullen6682 I have one safe for un-scoped guns (war relics) just to get near the capacity any is rated for. btw, I have four & any is likely worth more than what it's full of. 🙂

[@davemcmullen6682]

@@johncmitchell4941 keep telling my wife, this is it..the last gun I need..last yr bought three PC carbines ( and new living room furniture for my wife) ..guess I can squeeze one more in my existing safe..plus a new dish washer ...

[@e.l.robbins5614]

Film Backfires 1 moa challenge for Jim with the mossberg patriot. I have good luck with Hornady American whitetail. The interlock bullets shoot good for me.

[@davidlaney8254]

Your video brings to mind how much money has been wasted on new scopes and rings when the problem was the ammo. And just because your other rifles like a certain brand of ammo, that doesn't mean your new one will be the same. I learned that they hard way when I picked up a new rifle and three boxes of the same ammo that had always shot great in my other rifles. Thankfully, I just happened to stumble upon another load it shot extremely well. I can also remember cases where I've overheard people at the range questioning the new scope they just put on their new rifle with absolutely no mention that the ammo might be to blame. Thankfully, we have online sources where we can ask others who own the same rifle what they've found shoots best. And while that approach isn't a guarantee, it's better that shooting in the dark so to speak, pun intended. Something else I might add is that it seems that while some rifles shoot multiple loads well, the picky rifles shoot the one or two loads they like extremely well. It's as the rifle and the load were made for one another. But then, isn't that exactly what reloading is all about? (Nope, not a reloader.)

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Yup. Gotta test atleast a few ammo types

[@virgilcrites8906]

My mossberg 6.5 creedmore likes the Hornady white tail a little better than the Winchester and you can get it on midway USA for $19 dollars a box and free shipping sometimes. Only problem is a lite barrel to be a good bench gun. But live the light weight for hunting

[@ibey01]

I have a Patriot in 375 Ruger. I shoot Hornady 270 gr Interlocks and hand loaded 300 gr Nosler Accubonds. It likes both.

[@anthonyrollins9825]

buddy of mine had a couple Tikka rifles that were this picky. glad you found a couple rounds it likes.

[@omc-radio-tv]

nah, what I consider a lemon if it never hits the paper, but also I follow advice of a great rifleman who prefers handloads than factory, Carlos Hathcock and there have been a couple doozys we've inherited that my grandpa snuck home from wwii europe and 1 horrible used rossi lever action in 357. But, if you prefer to use factory only on tests, that's fine too. Because you never know how the factories are checking proper powder weight, etc, but handloads that you have done by folks you trust, those you can count on.

[@4jaimeavalos]

I have the Mossber MVP in 308. I was having trouble with it all kinds of ways. I was about to give up and sell it but everything came together. Mine seems to like my 175 SMK reloads for distance. I also have the 556 version and 62 gr (green tip) gets me clover leafs @ 100yds.

[@rogerparent9964]

After shooting the monolithics you better clean that barrel to keep the accuracy back to what you saw. You’ll have to foul it too.

[@shane3878]

The only shot that matters is the first shot from a cold barrel. After I get the scope on paper, I only do clean cold barrel shots for groups. Takes a bit more time but it is more applicable to hunting. Hunting in thick woods, a 2nd shot is unlikely.

[@chuckydubree1925]

Heck yea ,glad u found the ammo it likes 👍 sometimes it pays off to be persistent ,as usual you gave it a more than a fair shake

[@marthaabernathy8868]

Well now this was a interesting video and some very interesting groups. It only makes sense that a cheap rifle wants cheap ammo for a truly budget experience.

[@theoriginalDAL357]

I can’t stand picky centerfire rifles; I’ve done my time with them and I’m finished with that time sink. That’s why I finally wised up and spent the extra coin for a Browning X-bolt. Although I know it’s only a sample of one, it shoots all of the ammo I have tried it with at one, or slightly more, MOA. With my favorite handload it’s consistently (key word) under one MOA, which was my goal.

[@leemckee1272]

It would almost be cheaper if you had purchased a Bergara and only 1 box of ammo, grouping .3 immediately. Thanks for your persistence and helping everyone that has a Mossberg find the right ammo.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Yup 😝

[@timsmithoutdoors]

My savage axis compact in 350 legend loves that Hornady American whitetail, 170gr. Im getting just under an inch with it at 100 yards with a 18” barrel. And it’s cheap ammo to boot!

[@JonFox-t5x]

Remember that Ron Spomer taught us copper bullets fly all over the place if you shoot them after the barrel is fouled with lead bullets. Clean the barrel really good and then try the Copper Impact again.

[@Bigbasco77]

I was looking to see if someone suggested this...

[@paulwylie989]

Cup & core lead pullets have a copper jacket. There shouldn't be any lead fouling. What's the diff?

[@JimSevier-p5z]

I own a Mossberg Patriot but it’s chambered in 350 legend I have no issues with mine grouping at all. Just wanted to share my experience with the rofle

[@kriskodisko]

HELL YEAH NORMA WHITE TAIL! But now this makes me wanna try the Hornady AW in mine.

[@MrKoocanusa]

Recently purchased Hornady American Whitetail, pretty box. Finger crossed. Savage Axis .308

[@lesa9675]

Try the Norma Evostrike 308 139 grain. I love your videos. You do a great job. After I watched your video on Savage AXIS PRO, I got one in 30-06 and .482 inch groups with the Evostrike 30-06 139 grain. PS keep up the great work 😊

[@jamesyarbrough4777]

ive had really good luck with hornady whitetail as well.

[@byronbrackett6579]

Mine likes the Norma whitetail and Hornady whitetail as well. It didn’t do well with the Winchester power points but I want to try a different box that isn’t labeled “hog special”. May have been a bad batch.