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[@haks_123]

This man has made every video known to man on the hobby of fpv. You search one thing and joshua bardwell is literally everywhere

[@MactacFPV]

"I feel really in control and I don't know why". Love it.

[@elxero2189]

I got that same woah feeling when I tried the Cinematic preset... I never flew circles round a tree that steady before and my twitchy stick inputs were all smoothed out. That was really awesome!

[@sergeyzhelezko]

Soooo... how different is it in comparison to just raising your expo on rates?

[@MrVlodato]

they should just put those presets in a drop down in rate setting tab

[@zero-voltzfpv5715]

That would be awesome to have them on a switch

[@rmhfpv9225]

I wish I could set a profile for the entire setting group of cli. then I could flip back and forth in the goggles without needing cli/laptop

[@bizmar]

Bf is hesitant to include presets, becouse a new version of the configuration has to be downloaded for each change.. so if a preset was damaging quads it would be hard to change.. if somebody would code the infrastructure to update the presete on the fly, they would be there. But so far nobody has volunteered the time to do that...

[@RcMcNutt]

I'm confused. I learned something today, but you dodn't tell me I was going to. Sooo did I really learn something today?

[@lucasajaeger]

Haha

[@stevekoptyra4082]

Haha great video as always and nice ending by the way

[@brandonwoodford579]

I always watch till the end.

[@WrongWayFPV]

Everytime JB hits a branch.. do a shot 😂🤣😂🤣

[@tehllama42]

Im shioken i cn even findmhy keyboarn wih this challenhth

[@Stygmah]

Bardwell you are gem and must be protected at all costs. That intro, the banter with yourself, some humour, self-depreciation and humble-bragging - but as always I did learn something today. ❤

[@ModitRC]

3 packs a day is good. I did this back in 2012 to get good at LOS quad acro. You can do more than 3, and on rainy days fly an indoor quad. It works! In 3 months time you will see a huge difference! You are already pretty good btw. I need to do tjis as well, my fpv flying could use some help

[@TheCombatFighter]

I have been flying with 4.2 since rc1, as a beginner I find this 4.2 to be really nice. One thing I was surprised is how good the filters work. Had a bad crash and lost my soft mounts, now the fc is hard mounted with steel bolts and nylon nuts. I have rpm filter enabled and sliders pushed to 2.0 and so far no problems.

[@fawkeyes5111]

you describe it perfectly :DD that's how i feel since bf4.2 too.

[@audiogek]

And the reason my next build will be Kiss. Because it's not that bad making your own pizza, but they keep changing the toppings

[@peterzingler6221]

@@audiogek for that reason I'm just sticking with 3.5.7 and good

[@53roger]

@@peterzingler6221, I flew and really liked 3.5.7 UNTIL last week. I setup 4.1 with the RPM settings per Jb's vid. It flies as good or better than 3.5.7 plus easier to change GPS/RTH settings. I'm very happy with 4.1 and now MAYBE take a look at 4.2

[@stu22uk]

I was initially super disappointed with 4.2 but maybe I'll give it another go. I had the same issues at the beginning, massive bounce backs/prop wash and bobbles that I could not tune out in the usual way, actually thought I had a weak motor/esc until I flashed back to original firmware/tune and was great again.

[@therustyfareye]

...that HD cinematic tune looks like it's on rails....🤘😎💨

[@kmarsdenelectrical]

Is it hd or cinematic Cant see a hd cinematic preset

[@skyraidfpv6753]

I'm learning a lot today. I'm basically bingeing all your BF 4.1 and 4.2 vids to tune my quads. Great stuff!

[@AggieRC]

You star! I was going mad trying to figure out what didn't feel right and how to fix it with the default pids, went with this approach and now my hawk is singing again. I learned something today.

[@drewparks1616]

Dude! Great stuff! I didn't know about the presets

[@TimeFadesMemoryLasts]

There is a lot of info in the Betaflight wiki

[@drewparks1616]

@@TimeFadesMemoryLasts Great point, I'll have to look into that, and do some research. I'm pretty new to the hobby, so you guys are all really helpful!

[@grassfpv1876]

I been at bf for 3yrs now and never new about presets. U fond those in the wiki or github?

[@grassfpv1876]

Also liked the ferris bueler reff at the end

[@TimeFadesMemoryLasts]

@@grassfpv1876 There's always a new wiki entry on github called "BF x.x Tuning notes" when a new version of BF comes out

[@zimzillakilla]

@JB, you overlooked an important part of the 4.2 puzzle, make sure to turn off the ADC filters on openTX radios, the device where clear to do so before attempting running some of the more aggressive scripts (even if turning xfireshot).

[@bengmo64]

Your practice program is giving you results! As fellow beard owner, you gotta find a conditioner that works for you.

[@Duracell-BenGi]

Joshua you really improving! Im watching all your videos for a while now and im starting to see new things in your freestyle sessions!! Keep it up man 🤙

[@MiniMicroFPV]

I think I shall be trying the Cinematic preset this weekend;) Thanks for the demo!

[@SkyCandyVisuals]

Jb about to have everyone flying cine presets 😆 gonna go load it up now...

[@srossi88]

I know you like to run 48khz on your ESCs, and if you are, then that is the likely culprit of those bobbles. 4.2 for some reason is exacerbating the issue of 48khz having decreased torque and breaking.

[@waldemarkraus2855]

Yep, I already told this to a couple of people seeing those throttle cut wobbles. If you still want to run 48khz, you need to reduce I term. I mostly set the multiplier to 0.7 and increase P/D to 1.4. that basically just reduces I term. It helps a lot, but I have never been able to fully get rid of those wobbles. Only on 24khz, there's absolutely no wobble.

[@waldemarkraus2855]

And today I tested the same on my 5" build. Lot of wobble on 48khz, absolutely no wobble on 24kmhz :)

[@meh0420]

This man deserves more than he gets !!!

[@RCOverKill]

I like BF, but sometimes I wish I had a chef around to teach me how to cook with all the new ingrediants,lol Thanks JB.

[@jlarson42]

Very interesting. Looking forward to seeing your in-depth videos on BF 4.2 Happy flying, 🤓

[@timoherrmann7959]

This should be in the BF 4.2 playlist, to have all 4.2 specific videos in one place. I will definetly try the cinematic preset.

[@marinehm]

I'm embarrassed, I just switched from BF 4.0 to 4.3 just the other day. Too much fun just flying... Now you got my attention with presets. Can you do an in-depth under-the-hood explanation of what's going on with the couple of ELRS presets? JB Style!

[@minkorrh]

TL;DR.......Betaflight has figured out how to make 'flow' into a setting. Joshua, I have to say thank you for your advice about dumping any previous notion of PIDS and using the sliders from scratch in 4.2.1 and another video where you talk about expo. I have struggled for nearly 3 years to get 'gud', not knowing what RCExpo actually does and never played with it. Well, last night I set some expo up with a few tweaks of the sliders from default and well, lets just say there's no more panicking for small gaps, split s' are snappy, flat and accurate, smooth flying fast an inch from the ground is a no-brainer and the quad essentially just does what I want when I want. I have some high throttle oscillations that I need to get rid of though......Less p-term?

[@bobbym3155]

Those sideways flips were so moth. Great flying. Trying 4.2 out this evening:)

[@shareobj]

Oh, I know this place. I've been there in LiftOff. 😀

[@805fpv3]

that intro is tooo funny lol God bless you Joshua and all

[@tehllama42]

I feel like this is "double rainbow" mixed with "JB meets Feedforward Transition and iTermRelax

[@RobertLeclercq]

If you are shocked and amazed at this stick feel difference, you NEED to try Emu's Rate Dynamics!

[@acommon]

Your tricks in this one looked super smooth

[@tribefpv]

That last pack bro was sweet your throttle control really good 👍

[@trigatupp]

What’s your favorite preset ? Loved your ending, swear you copied that from Ferris Bueller’s Day Off

[@andreapiacentin8396]

Til the end! 👍😂 Anyway that's really good to know as always.. Thanks man

[@yyin88]

I tried the cinematic setting, then my motor 3 starts acting weird. all motors arm fine but 3 shuts down when takes off. then I flash with JESC ( I panicked....), but 3 motors showed flash failed, motor 1, 2, and 4, not the problem 3. so I'm starting all over again as if I first got this quad. I hope I'm not making it worse. how strange is it.

[@Marshcar]

Always enjoy your vids Josh!

[@tonysandvig1478]

the 2nd video is what im talking about. dont think im gushing joshua. this is the style i hope to work from.

[@bizmar]

Filtered RC and FF round off sudden stick stops, and that helps with minimising P wobbles.

[@lucarednic7658]

Nice end part

[@digilogic1812]

Yes JB I watch all your vids all the way to the end lol!

[@TheMadmacs]

funny i remember a set point that made the quad feel telepathic, telepathic and slightly better pilot than me, like i would input sticks and the quad would say h he wants a 3/4 roll and then pull up, but i would make a twitchy mess of it, but set point thing completed the move like i was a pro, completely disconcerting hehehe, turned it off.

[@stratoskoutroulis3720]

You might want to try disabling lpf1 on the gyro since it generally doesn't do anything on clean quads with Rpm filtering on 4.2. I would log it and check it out. Make sure you have 3 harmonics checked on Rpm filtering.

[@GardoRotor]

Nice Ferris Bueller reference at the end there!!! LOL

[@FOOTSMACK3]

I always watch till the end. Lol. Iv learned a lot from watching your videos.

[@nicklitt]

"Hold on, my beard itches" Been there haha

[@traviscook5144]

I really really enjoy watching these

[@mr.m.4887]

Thumbs up, Joshua, that's great stuff! I didn't tried the "Cinematic" for the fear of "dull" flight feel - until now! Will check it out tomorrow :-)

[@sergeyzhelezko]

How was it?

[@mr.m.4887]

@@sergeyzhelezko it was OK, but in the end I use a slightly different setting in some points.

[@mr.m.4887]

set vbat_sag_compensation = 100 set anti_gravity_gain = 5000 set feedforward_transition = 40 set iterm_relax_cutoff = 11 set iterm_windup = 75 set yaw_lowpass_hz = 50 set throttle_boost = 10 set throttle_boost_cutoff = 10 set ff_spike_limit = 50 set ff_smooth_factor = 50 set ff_boost = 30 set ff_interpolate_sp = AVERAGED_2 set rc_smoothing_derivative_type = PT1 set rc_smoothing_auto_smoothness = 40 set thrust_linear = 20 set dyn_lpf_dterm_curve_expo = 7 set gyro_rpm_notch_q = 800 Additionally I use dynamic idle with 20% off the RPM the quad shows in the motor tab at Dshot idle speed (usually 5,5% -> 1055 in tab). The ff_interpolate_sp = AVERAGED_2 I used with CRSFshot.

[@athefpv4670]

Nice content as always! Love the new end videos!

[@PESKII]

That's the one preset I haven't tried yet 😂 thank you sir

[@K_Nasty]

I broke my first frame and got my new one today.Next time im juat going to spring for a legit one. I need to see if its worth it.i would have to told steel to keep those props.and that tune at the end was abrupt but smooth. Very nice

[@drc022800]

Steele props are smooth asf idk what you’re talking bout

[@K_Nasty]

With such a low pitch I just dont have the confidence I do with a set of HQ 4.3. Trying different props is one of the best parts of this. I'll try them again . I just broke my frame and transplanted the parts. Maybe I'll like them better on this setup. And id take any free props . just talking shit . steel is just like me . a dick.

[@TheXanUser]

Amazing! But full flail on the the buffet vs sushi chef's choice analogy. @JB next time you are in in the North SF bay area, please let me take you to sushi!

[@scooterfpv8864]

4:51....."If you have to shoot, SHOOT ....don't talk" -Tuco, circa 1966. From the movie epic....The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. JK man. Good stuff and as always...Fascinating 🤔

[@seagullhunterfpv]

I'll be try these out very soon. They look decent

[@jayjaghla7310]

Would you recommend Cinematic PIDs for someone just learning to fly?

[@stefankellenberger8315]

Yes allways to the End- ilove it

[@Life_a_bike]

You're flying gaps where I didn't see you flying with an analog setup ;-)

[@Lucky32Luke]

Is it only me hearing it? One of your motor has a damaged ball bearings? It is either a badly bent prop - but that would be more noticeable on the footage - or the bearing is about to give up. I always use my recording to analyse my motors. Great video otherwise!

[@its_AlphaSloth]

All the way every time

[@mr.h.4501]

Your property is pretty cool.

[@TweakRacer]

Now just add props out, and no more smudges on the lens while landscaping with your drone.

[@birdman316]

great flyin bro! lets orbit a lil bit......BAMM!! awww man i drifted out too far and smakked the post lol!!

[@Ender_FPV]

Saw that post on the way was cringing haha

[@Eskatone]

Hey maybe the cinematic one is like the dynamics rates of emuflight 3.1 working with the feedforward :)

[@YorkyPoo_UAV]

I Think the DJI Googles look good

[@scramblerfpv7124]

I'm really digging that new line gap you found!

[@mattparker267]

The DJI goggles look RAD! the JB sticker on them looks lame...but the goggles look RAD!

[@bradleydraifinger]

tell us about those new axii 2 duo's!

[@kag46]

Would be nice next time if we really can see what’s going on with sticks in some kind of Picture in Picture

[@deshithahansajith7385]

Thanks joshua

[@RatFink_fpv]

Great Job!!!

[@johnk8825]

Nice ending.

[@HuntAndFishExchange]

You should totally AirBnB that trailer between the trees and sell it as an FPV Excursion / getaway. I would book it!

[@msadowniczy]

So now there are "HD" & "Cinematic" - two different suggested profiles - which one did you fly here Joshua?

[@ThomasGail]

He does HD 5:10 and Cinematic at 8:29

[@marinehm]

I think you locked on to something really cool there at the end. NOT the VERY end. hahahaha No, I didn't watch it to the end where you asked me why I'm still there.

[@waterdropmusic]

Man I love your channel! :D

[@carlgill5946]

The force is with you my friend! Great flying sir.. Oh and im curious if you teach your kids how to fly? Or actually im not sure how many kids you have or there ages. Your wife does she fly? I cant get my girlfriend to hardly even put the goggles on or hold my transmitter...lol

[@GregQuillen]

Now to hit liftoff and try this move.. the Bardwell twist

[@randomdudefpv4927]

Son, i'm dissapoint! You old school /b/astard

[@FPVStyle]

Hello very nice videos I love your channel 👍. I want to build a new freestyle copter and looking for good motors which motor you can recommend? Parts what I will use to build 4s lipo, f7 flight controller, armattan rooster frame 4 in 1 esc F55A T-Motor. Thanks for your help

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Get the Betaflight 4.2 presets here: github.com/betaflight/betaflight/wiki/4.2-Tuning-Notes#quick-settings

[@bwasfpv]

that antennas so big :)crazy

[@Isaac_Rogers]

First like comment and view bro I’m building my own fpv quad copter and you are helping me

[@SigmaOfMyParts]

you did fly better then ever in a way but hit all the bushes.

[@WillHsuAerial]

Best intro ever!

[@thiagosmith3019]

Yes, till the end and subscribed :) is bf4.2 out?

[@BenderTheOffender]

RC3 is out and works well.

[@dwarfzilla2529]

I think the goggles look bad ass. Lets see you do better. ;)

[@InvertFPV]

7:35 When Bardwell gets super hyped about a move you have been doing for years with indifference.

[@aleeezena]

For extra weight (camera, or bigger battery etc) how do you change your PIDs. There is any general rules? Thx a lot.

[@Jake-dk4md]

That beard is 🔥 joshua

[@Reingekotet]

Hi, where can I find the PID Settings you used? :)

[@halucinerify]

I found it on that site: www.fireniko.ru/2020/04/betaflight-4-2/ Most of the site is in Russian :D but the pids are described in english

[@Reingekotet]

@@halucinerify Thank you :)

[@elmattbo2540]

betaflight wiki on GitHub. 4.2 tuning tips

[@DobuDobuDobuDot]

There's no HD Cinematic preset. There are however both HD and Cinematic presets...

[@skunk929]

at 13:03, raise both sliders to 1.2? P and D gain, and P/D Balance? Thanks JB!

[@nuno2200]

I actually think DJI goggles look quite cool. Well ,here I am using box goggles.

[@WayneGrant]

4th :) thanks for the vidz, always entertaining!

[@johntyer2200]

I'd like to build a drone for outdoor wargames. So I have 2 questions. 1) what is the best way to protect the wires/boards from accidentally being shot(bbs) 2) what visor do you recommend for best image quality and range Not looking for cheap, just function( although if the two line up I won't complain)

[@zephyr2278]

get a mavic air and an ipad with a screen protector. I'd build a metal wire cage around the props to protect it from bb's, and build an acrylic enclosure for the camera. the mavic air also has no exposed wires and boards, so you're good there. I'd also try covering the bottom of the drone in some kind of thin Styrofoam or ummagrip (look it up, great stuff) to absorb some of the impacts from BB's

[@alep_sn9550]

Watch the rotorriot guns v drones video. Anyway, for BBs you have 0 concern. At 400fps it won't hurt the quads. Build a 5in (any will do but I'd use high end components with a durable frame) and get some decent props. I'd expect any decent plastic prop to survive shots with field legal fps/joules. I'd recommend the Gemfan 51433 as they seem durable. as for video, we call them goggles, the best bang for the buck would be a set of used HDOs (sub $300) with a TBS fusion module ($120-130). Dont get a mavic, the prop aren't nearly as durable & its more expensive then the BEST betaflight 5in you could build. tldr; get any decent 5in drone setup, it'll handle it. Theres 0 need for concern regarding wires because on any neat build they'll be tucked away and VERY short.

[@johntyer2200]

@@alep_sn9550 thanks for the advice. This is my first time and I hope to have fun freestyling with what ever I end up with

[@hoboman0001]

Luv u Bardwell ❤️

[@princesfpvdrones]

Yup, I watch your videos to the end..lol..heee..heee

[@86evilalt98]

Sick! I actually flew my 3 2s packs on a Tinyhawk 2 and 3 1s inside 😁

[@GregQuillen]

U have 4.2 on ur tinyhawk ii? I went to do it yesterday or couple days ago and only had 4.1.6

[@86evilalt98]

Q Speed Racer Nah man I just got into FPV and I don’t wanna ruin my shit

[@GregQuillen]

@@86evilalt98 same. I just got mine like a week ago.. flew a few batteries so far.. I've been follow fpv forever but never bit the bullet. Had few dji drone for photography. But I did update my betaflight firmware. And I want to update my blheli for rpm filtering lol