Betaflight 5" Freestyle Preset Comparison & Shootout

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00:00 - Start
00:03 - Betaflight 5" Preset Options for Freestyle
01:01 - Freestyle 5" Karate Style Preset
02:23 - UAV tech 5" Feestyle w/ GoPro (650-750g AUW) Preset
03:19 - Supafly Freestyle 5" Preset
04:16 - ImpulseRC Apex 5" Preset
04:56 - Push vs. Damping Differences
07:17 - PID Strength Differences
09:17 - Fiter Strength Differences
10:58 - Stick Tracking Differences
12:22 - Test Quad Parameters
13:02 - Flight Footage Testing Parameters
15:33 - Preset Test - Smooth Forward Flight
15:48 - Preset Test - Full Throttle Punch
15:59 - Preset Test - Prop Wash Testing
17:28 - Preset Test - "Throbbles"
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[@mouseFPV]

Woah, I made a UAVTech video!!! Thanks for including me 🐭 Few things to note: -UAVTech, supafly, and Karate offer AMAZING "all purpose" tunes. If you are flying a non-specific build, 10000% choose one of those three over what I have. Probably try all three because presets are so easy to try out. Since that "niche" was already filled by the studs I just mentioned, my presets are much more focused. I use pid-toolbox and basement tune all my builds with my hardware, pushed to the edge (hence the high gains). My tunes are listed by frame because in what I have seen, the frame makes the biggest difference to p:d ratio and possible gains (more than motors or stack or whatever). My tunes are meant to be flown ideally on the frame that they are listed for. The goal is to push further in some areas where a more generic tune may not. So, for example my sonicare preset has far less filtering than my Incisor preset. For example my tp3 tune assumes a toilet tank battery and has higher gains on roll than pitch, as such. Things like that. Lastly.... That apex tune is listed as experimental because I haven't gotten around to fine tuning the filters for that frame, so they are a bit conservative.

[@GardoRotor]

Use moar cheese😅 love it

[@MystikSquash]

🧀 please

[@reboot110]

Hey Mouse, I’m flying the Quadmula Siren F5, it’s an H style like ur Incisor but about 100g heavier, think ur preset would be ok with the extra weight?

[@mouseFPV]

@@reboot110 probably the incisor preset, choose the larger GoPro option. Won't be perfect but probably a good base.

[@SupaflyFPV]

Thanks for the shootout. It's interesting to know how others approach things. The preset system from Limon has made it so much easier to help people get a good tune. It's a tough call to draw the line between a robust tune for general users out there and balance performance as well, but there is a link in my tune to further tips and a calculator for those who want to squeeze out more performance.... I know the Dynamic notch can get lower total latency but the motors never sound as sweet due to its lower accuracy compared to the RPM, so it's a tough call again....like most decisions...

[@uavtech]

Yeah, shoot. I missed covering that KV slider help. Shoot. RPM vs. DN Only: folks have easy options is the win. It is a checkbox. Try out both, see what ya like. :-)

[@mouseFPV]

Another part of the balance is usability. One could make a tune preset that was both robust for a wide range of setups, and has amazing performance potential, but then you end up with an insane "option" matrix and a preset with more options than the pids tab in betaflight, so it's not easy for people to actually use. I would love to see dependent/nested options as well as a combination of check boxes and radio buttons in the options to help with select 1 vs select many to help with this a bit in the future ❤

[@SupaflyFPV]

@@mouseFPV yeah thats true also - where to draw the line on options. I tried to keep mine simple otherwise as a preset it becomes more complicated than using the GUI lol....

[@IvanEfimovLimon]

Nice summary, listened with pleasure for the whole video.

[@mouseFPV]

Shout out to this guy for making this stuff possible (as well as the rest of the team)

[@manski209]

I appreciate all the work you do for us pilots. I'm always learning something from you, thank you.

[@ClareFPV]

Great in depth video. Amazing presets. Kudos to the people that created this 🔥🚀

[@dadpoolfpv]

Thank you for the video sir. I've had very limited experience with presets, I tried your 5" Freestyle with GoPro tune last night and my quad has never flown better. Flashing to 48k esc and that tune got rid of all of the jello on my RCO 5. Thank you so much for posting this. Keep sending!

[@CgitEinsteins]

I just want to say thanks. For all preset you share in betaflight. Its really help me to quick setup.

[@fraustosound]

I am always amazed at how entertaining your videos about these topics are. The way you present everything is captivating, concise and provides the right type of context for us to do further research too. You are a teacher by nature. I have a rule that I will not watch videos from any channel where the presenter puts their face on the thumbnail. JB and yourself are the only people I make an exception for. Thank you for all you do!

[@uavtech]

Thanks man!

[@PIDtoolbox]

Great comparison! A lot of work, thanks Mark!

[@uavtech]

Yeah it was. Thank Brian!

[@ariefjoe800]

gonna try it all, thanks to all creators 🍻

[@mouseFPV]

Side note, I appreciate the sped up voice to burn through some of the minutia in the video. Kept me engaged so I wasn't skipping around or fast-forwarding.

[@GardoRotor]

Good stuff, great video Mark

[@baggszilla]

Thanks Mark! Great Work!

[@butcher]

Wow this is very informative!

[@NOT_ANOTHER_FPV]

Karate is the tune I've been playing with the last week and love it so far. Titan 6S no cam

[@man0mule]

totally made me check my playback speed setting with this video.

[@radosfpv]

haha same here

[@ArtyomNovikov31337]

Great video. Thanks!

[@loneranger101200]

Very interesting and informative 👍

[@Rcschim]

I love your presets! Last copter I tested I threw on your preset on p1 and supafly on p2 to compare them quickly. Yours won my taste ;) On simpler longrange copters I'm fine with just bf 4.4.1 defaults ;)

[@MasYayan]

are you use UAVTech preset?

[@xfOL.]

thx fol all you do!

[@uavtech]

SPEED UP: Yes, I speed up the explaination portion of the vidoe as there was lots to cover. If too fast for you, play at 0.75x speed in YT playback for normal speed.

[@BikeGuyFPV]

I thought something was up when you first started talking at the start of the video 😂

[@hangtimeFPV]

Tuning on steroides 😉Nice one. Thx!

[@CC_FPV]

That's a brilliant video very informative. I have a 5' build weighing in at about 780g including battery and Action 2 camera. I've had a Supaly preset on and although it handles very well I get quite a lot of prop wash. According to his literature with my moto KV I should set the Master Multiplier to 1.2. Watching one of your videos about Prop Wash I've set Dynamic Idle to 30 and increased the Master Multiplier. I got to 1.5 and the Prop Wash was still evident but not so much. I've put yours on today and for my build, it feels straight away that it's much better. The response is instant and the prop wash is already better than I could get it on Supafly. I say better but it's still there when I really throw it about. I set the Medium Build setting and enabled RPM Filtering. My ESC is set to 24k and by RPM. Although the prop wash is much better it's still there a little bit. Is there anything I can adjust slightly to help?

[@Dec1duousTree]

Thank you!

[@baggszilla]

Hell yeah!

[@alekblaser]

supafly for the win, just did a video comparing all their 4.4 preset modes

[@MasYayan]

are you use supafly preset

[@UAV-AP]

Did you speed up your video when explaining lol you sounded like the micro micro machine guy from back in the day haha thanks for the info as always you rock :)

[@uavtech]

Yeah, lots to cover.

[@tonypena1]

From this video would you say UAV preset is best for Sbang style or which is the best of the compared presets for Sbang ?

[@CarlosRodriguez-vg2ob]

hi i see in betaflight that you have a preset for cinematic. "UAV tech Rates with cinematic/whoop options" is the preset applicable for any build/drone like the gepRC LR 4.0 or the mark 5?

[@k1ortia]

I'm in desperate need of help here please. Iv loaded the new 4.3.1 betaflight onto my baseline. But having issues not binding. How do i downgrade back to 2.5.0 which it originally came wit? I'm literally pulling my hair out. Thank you

[@reboot110]

Hi Mark! Awesome vid, just started 4.4 and (coming from 4.2 🤫) used ur preset, on rails when I’m over 40% on the throttle, but I’m getting vibes under 40…any suggestions, mess with the MasterM slider?

[@uavtech]

Yup, increase.

[@js78367]

Pretty new to quads.. I can see/hear the difference in the prop wash (frequency, amplitude, duration) but how should that tell me which are better or worse than others?

[@ThedonnyLlama]

So question i changed my motors from 2207 1800kv to 2306 1755 kv and I used the supafly 5" freestyle preset no hd camera with the medium smooth rates and it flew great on the 2207 motors but when I swapped over to the 2306 when I did a a punch out my quad would wobble and when I would roll it would wobble. I was wondering if that preset should be okay with the 2306 motors because I don't know much about tuning yet and I thought that preset would be okay with those motors, so I'm wondering if it's my gyro

[@marheim9361]

Hi Mark. Awesome video! In BlHeli I have set a low pwm frequency of 24 khz and a high frequency of 48 khz. What should I choose in the ESC PWM window?

[@uavtech]

24k PWM

[@Sugar_K]

Lols the karate came up pretty good in the flight testing 😜 just so you know it’s not got a lot of development it’s more a good slider based place right start messing with. It’s definitely ment to me tweaked. It was a full slider tune when none of the other karates were 🎉

[@jefffpv2759]

without a cam my 5in weights about 700g. should i use the with cam settings since mine is heavy?

[@uavtech]

Yes

[@tomblanckaert6055]

Can a frame impact the sound of a motor? Have always used apex frames and when i switched to another brand the motors sounded off (nagging laggy heavy i have no idea how to describe it). Put em back on an apex and sounded like i was used to (crisp and well not nagging).. any input? Resonance or something? Quad flies perfect tho.. any input would be appreciated

[@uavtech]

Probably a frame vibration causing the motors not being able to hit full RPM. Alex was maybe cleaner so motors could get to peak RPM?

[@tomblanckaert6055]

@@uavtech so basically not something to really worry about?

[@uavtech]

@@tomblanckaert6055 if you are on the Apex, no. You should be hearing the motors "scream" at full throttle. If they sound doggy (like not hitting 100% RPM), then add m9te filtering.

[@jawz101_fpv7]

What it's wrong with the playback speed?

[@LehtusBphree2flyFPV]

Did you speed this up cause I had to slow this down to .75

[@Ptorpong]

Like fast X. ha ha Thank you for a good contents.

[@fededabz52]

Issue with the playback speed?

[@kkeil9449]

Ya it is

[@chrisbee5481]

I actually like it speed up just a bit. 😅

[@chrizzfpv]

He use less time for more info 😅

[@MatthewTaylor3]

0.75x works fine for me

[@PaulSokolov]

Preset tests prop wash 4x - awesome tutorial

[@scu-dub]

Hows it going I have a rekon 4fr and I have really bad zero throttle wobbles as if the camera is sitting on jello....I raised thrust linearization and it helped alot however I don't like doing that because any bump into something causes the quad to freak out....I'm at a loss....any ideas? Anything would help thanks🙏🏼 and just so you know the wobbles are very bad as if the quad is drunk lol bad left to right front to back wobbling all at once

[@uavtech]

1. Set ESC to 24k PWM If still there 2. Reduce the Drift/Wobble slider. If still there 3. raise Master Slider

[@scu-dub]

@@uavtech thank you so much I will try this🤞🏼✌🏼

[@scu-dub]

​@@uavtech hate to bother you I know your incredibly busy but I dont have anyone to talk to for help and me being a newb 2 years later doesn't help lol I have the zeus f722 min on my rekon I believe it has blheli s if I'm not mistaken so how do I go to getting blheli configurator ? Hopefully lowering the master slider and wobbles slider will help but if not then I'm gonna have to raise pmw 24khz trying to avoid that because I'm not 100 sure if I have blheli 32s or s

[@scu-dub]

​@UAV Tech thanks so much I moved the sliders up to like 1.2 and went down on d I think down to 2? Can't remember but it helped so much! My quad felt like my camera was on jello at zero throttle after punch outs and now it's only like 20/25% there compared to 100 so thanks again 👍🏼 I have a little left but it's now kinda propwashy but again it's alot better 🙏🏼🤟🏼👍🏻

[@grampafpv8013]

well i just tried the uav tech 5 with a go pro and got throttle wobble and some fly away when giving small throttle punch's but slight warm motor's and the quad is a new build, This did not happen with supafly 5'' preset i don't get it anybody know why ? Oh yeah this happened with two other quad's as well .

[@uavtech]

Sounds like you need the lighter weight quad preset.

[@ron7979]

Whats the story? is your vocal set to 2x speed or are you just on speed?

[@uavtech]

Play at 0.75x if you want slower

[@fpv_am]

Hi Mark, all KZbinrs say that by increasing Master multiplier propwash will become better. In my case it just becomes worse, quad starts to get 2-3 biiig shakes which are visible on hd and BB, whereas with lower master shakes are muuuch smaller though a beat longer, hd doesnt see it. What can cause this behaviour? High filter delay? (Tried 1-2ms for gyro, and 1.5-2.5 for d term).

[@uavtech]

Lower PIDs will give a bigger shake. High it will be lower and faster. .check your Yaw P. Many times the shake is on yaw, and you may need to set it to RP mode for the sliders and make the Yaw P and I 100.

[@fpv_am]

@@uavtech ok, thanks, and what about the latency? How much is good or perfect or bad?

[@TavoFourSeven]

I have a rotor riot tanq and am just getting at every quad is a lil different. In my experience moving p and i up helped tame or end the propwash a little sooner and kept increasing intil it was noticable on slower decents. Then increased D. Wound up over 100 in Ps and my dmax is about 74. They get warm, i might lower the master some to see if it preforms worse but definitely take his advise first.

[@uavtech]

Filter or stick movement latency?

[@fpv_am]

@@uavtech filter faze delay latency, per gyro and d term? Ho much is excellent or good.

[@ElChingonFPV]

Could I use your 5” with GoPro on my Flyfish 6” build?

[@uavtech]

use 6" preset

[@ElChingonFPV]

@@uavtech Ah. Wasn’t sure if there were any. Thanks.

[@shralpygames5683]

My playback speed is set to normal but I swear this is in 1.25x or 1.5x

[@uavtech]

i did not speed up I don't think. 🤔

[@TheSnow520lee]

how to lower full throttle shakes?

[@uavtech]

increase D-term attentions (formally know as TPA). Default is it just attenuates D-term. Change the change the cutoff to 1750 and set to 0.8.

[@richmiller540]

Have you speeded up the video? your audio sounds a bit off. Thanks for all the info. 👊

[@uavtech]

Yea. Lots to cover. Was trying to save time. Play at 0.75x for normal.

[@richmiller540]

@UAV Tech it's perfectly watchable as is, I was just checking you knew. Thanks for all the info, I'm just building a new apex and a supafly juicemode so your video has landed at exactly the right time for me. 👊👍

[@sunsetpark_fpv]

Am I high or is the video playing at like 1.5 speed? UAV Tech doesn't talk that fast LOL

[@FPVian]

Welp, now I know my preset hasn't been added to the 4.4 list yet...

[@IvanEfimovLimon]

Hmm I think I did....

[@FPVian]

@@IvanEfimovLimon Just submitted a PR. I missed it too!

[@matthewbradley8971]

I really don't get presets. This is such a subjective science. The difference in PIDs can be massive between various frames. I can't see how a preset designed for one frame could even remotely work properly on another one. You really need to basement tune each quad - from there tweak off the feel your looking for. I know its a PITA, and you could spend an entire weekend doing it (believe me, I've wasted my fair share of weekends doing this), but applying presets to just any random quad is borderline dangerous IMO. Some of these have D gains cranked up so high - if you don't already know your build is super clean, then you could easily fry an ESC or motor.

[@uavtech]

Nah, once you get the pids for the quad class close, that pretty much works for a lot of setups within the class. I like to say you are 80% to 90% of the way there. If you want the last 20 to 10%, that is tuning. P/D balance for example, across all those presets it varied, but it was fine on this quad and I suspect for many others. Same for i/P balance.

[@pirateradioFPV]

Low P equals low (carbon) fiber diet, gotcha 😂

[@mikebergman1817]

Note that low P, high D is rich in soy.

[@slapstickfpv]

Have you spead up the voice ? Seems spead up and unenjoyable watching

[@uavtech]

Play at 0.75x. Sorry.

[@arthurganz]

Thanks, now i dont have to play the video at 150% 😂 I dot that all the time for every informational video. Cant keep focus otherwise.

[@uavtech]

Me too!

[@TokeyFPV]

Too much too fast LOL

[@uavtech]

Probably need to play at 1x YT speed. Or you can go 0.5x. Idk. A lot to cover. Sorry.

[@jumpstartfpv]

0.75x is 1x.

[@TokeyFPV]

@@jumpstartfpv good call. Thanks will re watch now.

[@pbshooter100]

Can you talk faster?

[@uavtech]

speed up playback (or slow down). 🙃

[@JDDupuy]

Unwatchable, what a shame!

[@uavtech]

play at 0.75x.

[@funKdatFPV]

@@uavtechjust leave it at normal and the let the user decide. That’s what the speed options are for.

[@uavtech]

@@funKdatFPV can go up or down though, right?

[@funKdatFPV]

@@uavtech why force a user to choose if they don't want too?