I forced TF2 YouTubers to build an unplayable map

[@augisterman3685]

This should be called “MGEdit”, because that’s a much cooler name than “MGE but you can edit the map”.

[@commodorex]

I am so sad, I thought of the same thing but 10 hours later😭

[@noahhamilton5974]

Nah, it's ultiMGE chicken horse

[@Zyquux]

​@@noahhamilton5974 I was thinking Ultimate Chicken Fort.

[@Keventor]

MGE camping edition

[@MystralThunder]

@@commodorexStill thought of it, pretty cool!

[@free-2-play]

this is like watching the kid who would always make up rules during recess so he doesn't lose but he's facing a kid who does the same

[@M50A1]

All of those kids went into competitive gaming eventually

[@jokerofspades-xt3bs]

I wanna do a D&D campaign where i cannot tell the players no. but i keep track of all of the stupid rules they make and use those dumb rules against them

[@glden_I]

That'd be cool ​@jokerofspades-xt3bs

[@realryushiro]

The kids that say "Time out" when you're 3 ft away from them in tag. Run 30 ft away and say begin again.

[@lexyboi1461]

true

[@red5t653]

8:40 So fun fact about doors! The actual collision of a door has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the door props in and of themselves, but rather a specific moving door object that's invisible and placed usually just behind the door. This means that just putting a door somewhere won't cut it to block off space, you actually need to add a clip brush in order to stop stuff from just phasing through it.

[@Lizzen343]

Thanks for the fact dude!

[@LordRemiem]

Shounic and LED follower 🤝

[@breadenjoyer76]

so your name is red but your pfp is blu

[@crusadingcomrade8873]

@@breadenjoyer76 *They* are they spy

[@zzyxxyzz5442]

​@@LordRemiem or just anyone familiar with hammer?

[@giuseppe9653]

Average Zenith change in one round: "I want you to trap him, give me ammo and health on a place safe for me, and uber"

[@tttttttttttttttp12]

Fr

[@somnvm37]

considering all his challanges are just killing thousands of players with +2 pockets it's not surprising at all.

[@objectionablycurious]

to be fair, thewhat just sat in spawn spamming flares for a good 8 matches

[@SniperOnSunday]

Meanwhile, TheWhat gets turned down for wanting a healthpack near spawn.

[@khemically6124]

TheWhat: can I have the something to counter this Blue: no

[@Lermurmer]

It's kinda like ultimate chicken horse but in tf2. Awesome.

[@acee555]

that's what im sayin!!!!!!

[@giuseppe9653]

That game is fucking awesome

[@Somoneyippe]

He literally says in the description that this is inspired by that game

[@Lermurmer]

​@@Somoneyippe so I'm right

[@ED-gw9rg]

Ultimate Chicken Fortress!

[@TheGhostThatWas]

the arms race escalated so quickly. it started with "give me a ramp to reach high ground more easily", before going to "give me a button to kill TheWhatShow instantly"

[@iamthemouse4483]

"Delete TF2 from TheWhat"

[@JohnJohn-r4l]

"Kill TheWhat in real life"

[@commit_CRIME]

“Give me a knockback 1000 stick and teleport TheWhat to me”

[@Ethylus]

write “thewhatshow tf2” in the death note

[@Shagaru_Bleed]

"Cover the TheWhatShow in oil and make him feel..."

[@LimeCultivist]

The instant transmission push triggers were hilarious, but the rocket spawner at 43:10 had me cry-laughing

[@andyblanton6570]

TELEPORTER GOIN UP

[@naked_molerats_are_awesome]

/tp me thewhat

[@Thereal67P]

Just the combination of the same explosion sound playing every game tick and seeing a LITERAL shower of rockets. I've not cried from laughter many times, but THAT did it for me.

[@Hellwaterva]

That’s what pissing at 2am is like

[@TheWhatShow]

Me and my iconic giant block of slime

[@-RandomStranger-]

yes

[@Scoutussy]

So iconic!!

[@zayneeeeeeeee7080]

I only watch your videos for the block of slime.

[@okok09293]

slime

[@jbomb06]

BFFB FDBFJKBFSKGBFKJBK brap brap brap thewhat stinky!!!!!!!!!!

[@nobody7204]

"I had my literal back against the wall, and then I just happened to phase through" is a hell of a quote

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

Implausible Infiltration moment.

[@daboijean472]

Average backrooms interrogation moment

[@KarimovPrime]

52:48 "He just jumps stairs to stairs and I'm not allowed to instakill him!" Perfectly summarizes this entire video

[@editorman20]

"tf2 but if you lose, you make it unfair for the other opponent" prety cool pretty cool

[@fedethegreat88]

And then they just add *slime*

[@noahhamilton5974]

Wait till you play ultimate chicken horse

[@Atylonisus]

"you attempt to make it unfair for your opponent but actually just kneecap yourself because you didn't fully consider the repercussions of your actions"

[@ChuPa-Chups1k273]

@@noahhamilton5974 No, firstly, the UCH is made originally from this concept. Secondly, in UCH every player can place block, and third, the placement is limited ( you cant like put anything that you want, you need to choose items that are present to you )

[@noahhamilton5974]

@@ChuPa-Chups1k273 i know they are different, but it is UCH inspired.

[@zenithzv]

Teleporting to the other side of the map has always seemed like a strange case to me

[@endarkenedgd]

grengith

[@appelofdoom8211]

Nothing personell kid

[@_phloggy_]

what is this zenith impersonator doing here

[@misplease]

its a push trigger zenith

[@Lanetgm]

⁠@@_phloggy_he is the real one

[@Lilikyri]

The unyielding light of God vs the enduring schemes of Lucifer

[@SrQuack-js6sn]

The indomitable human spirit vs the wish to end it all

[@zsomboregri758]

Which one is the giant slime

[@Dalek59862]

​@@zsomboregri758god definitely.

[@HyperDash47]

​@@zsomboregri758the combined strength of humanity

[@eclipseknigth1174]

​@@HyperDash47so does that imply that the penis rock represents the wish to end it all?

[@GoldenOwl_Game]

This is like Ultimate Chicken Horse but more overcomplicated than it has any sane reason to be…

[@noahhamilton5974]

You are right, he said so in the description

[@busterbackster1]

Thewhat: put the health pack so he can still get it but it’s just a skill check Zenith: put a button that instant kills thewhat

[@paevepailbrack6899]

Did not think this was gonna be so literal

[@primary2630]

I mean the saw blade in the health pack was kinda dumb but it was funny

[@jacobthesquirrel4169]

I absolutely love this. I would love to see more of this, possible even 2v2 where all players get one edit per round. I feel like the best part was the very last match and would love to see that be more-so of the middle of the game so the first is slow, middle is chaotic yet fun, third is just full on chaos

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Perhaps a shared one per team, and then another for the losing team (or even one per member of that team) The shared edit just to make them work together and to balance the edits a bit.

[@fpxha]

"What's even the fucking point of life if I can't insta-kill TheWhatShow every 2 seconds?" - Wise words from a wise tf2 player

[@ryanb7701]

41:54 is insane, dude teleported like he just learned Instant Transmission

[@GumshoeClassic]

That door incident felt like those scenes in movies where someone leans against a wall and opens a hidden door. You know, the classic "Wall rotates and they're gone".

[@Blayzeing]

19:01 Adding to the notes from people who use Hammer: source maps actually *do* do raytracing, it's just not real-time. It's baked at the beginning once in a fairly CPU-intensive process, and then all of that reflected light is stored in the map's textures and loaded when the game runs, so you get realistic lighting, without the need to continuously do raytracing.

[@rat...]

haha, doodoo

[@Zaneyboy2_0]

"What's even the point if I can't just insta-kill TheWhat?"

[@Cinnamowo]

51:00 ok, this whole fucking section was the most hilarious shit I've seen. It was pretty funny all the way through, and then at 52:50 Zenith just made me fuckin lose it, I cried for the entire next minute of the video. I can't even explain why that exact time when he repeated his desire to instakill TheWhat was so amazing, but the comedic effect was the best

[@Sombodydumb]

Another thing at that section has the points be wrong like zenith not getting a point when he wins and when thewhat wins zenith gets the point :D

[@ethoatom668]

I think what does it for me is that he's able to say it with a straight face.

[@SunfallMelancholy]

"Popped a perc, stared at the eclipse, saw god staring back and he blinked first. All while I swam on my slime, runt." - Thewhat89

[@piperbarlow1672]

Read this like Dracula flow

[@SunfallMelancholy]

that's the point

[@DucksAreCool08]

24:36 "but heavy's awesome!" "I don't care" The two heavy mains aren't gonna like that great blue.

[@Underworlder5]

okay, who is the other one?

[@zesnowpea6347]

@@Underworlder5big joey

[@ScoutTrooperMan]

@@zesnowpea6347 Bearded expanse as well

[@Trafficallity]

@@Underworlder5 me

[@jadegreenleaf781]

i've missed theWhat's iconic block of slime, glad they brought it back

[@toasteroven6761]

Surprised there weren't more rocket spawners pointed towards TheWhat's spawn after the *teleport's behind you* strat was "countered"

[@lemonlemonlemonlemonlemons]

Yeah TheWhat just couldn't catch a break with the amount of shit Zenith got away with that broke the only original rule of "keep it balanced" and blue just had to wonder why he was forced to play highly defensively smh

[@noonehere6994]

@@lemonlemonlemonlemonlemonsI mean I'm pretty sure great blue kept waiting for thewhat to order the same thing since it was pretty funny

[@primary2630]

not zenith's fault it took him so long to change it lol

[@faultinyoutube]

That was a ton of fun! If you want a more controlled environment for future games/videos of this style, you could create a butt load of prefabs, and then allow the players to chose from among those prefabs. This would also allow more complex logic setup to be built before hand, and implemented with the click of a button! If you want to push it even farther, could make it grid based and force the prefabs onto a grid.

[@nobodyimportant9443]

so ultimate chicken horse TF2?

[@BaZinga-y6l]

The contrast between TheWhat trying to make a fun game with an advantage Vs. Zenith attempting to violate the Geneva Convention with every turn is very entertaining

[@W_Winters_99]

Like half of TheWhat's changes were just things that negated Zenith's changes. He'd just put a wall or a saw or a sentry on whatever he tried to do.

[@WaylaidByEndlessNinjas]

53:14 "The dementia show" You cant send that kind of joke towards me and expect me to live

[@rotothedragonlord7198]

Make a button that instantly turns TheWhat into slime

[@worstspytf2824]

Zenith is the type of guy who gave himself every power in existence while playing in the sandpit in kindergarten.

[@itsraventm]

this is such a perfect description lmao

[@blujay1294]

"changes will be fair for both teams" went out the window VERY quick LMFAO.

[@Oslith]

I need a 50 episode series of this released weekly for the love of god please

[@kukukookoo]

Love this! I think for the future the ruleset should be: After a duel, the loser gets to make 1 edit, THEN the winner gets to make 1 counter-edit, and then, most importantly, the loser gets to pick whether they get to be RED or BLU. This would hopefully encourage the loser of the previous match to come up with insane changes while the winner would be more focused on making the map balanced, as not doing so would always put them at a disadvantage. An additional rule could or could not be added that forbids the winner from simply mirroring the loser's edit.

[@MrShinyObject]

Easy fix to the overpowered stuff:randomize who's red and who's blue, or make the map symmetrical. That can make it a little fairer (or at least let people screw themselves over)

[@memelescream4796]

The map by the end is just a demoknight's wet dream. Ramps, push triggers, water, mwah.

[@karlbergman5678]

I'd love more of this but you should definitely add some rules, so that it's more clear what the players can add, and it's not just dependant on your opinion of what's balanced. I've got 3 suggestions. 1. You cannot edit the spawn area 2. At least one class needs to be able to reach the point from spawn for both teams (so no completely blocking off spawn or the point) 3. Max one 1 sentry (lvl 1) 4. Nothing that immediately kills the opponent or makes yourself unkillable I'd say anything else is fair game since the loser can always counter an addition. (E.g. if spawn can only be left by mobility classes the loser can add a teleporter or a ramp.) Maybe you could allow certain OP things like an Uber button, but they have to be at an equal distance away from both spawns. I also think the winner should place first since it's an advantage to go after. The winner getting 1 feature and the loser getting 2 was really fun too. I REALLY hope to see more of this!

[@andyfriederichsen]

And no spell books.

[@badasscrusader]

​@andyfriederichsen well no there can be spell books,but they have to be in the center to avoid camping,same with health and maybe ammo

[@RubyW4RD3N]

15:14 The moment Heavy trimping was discovered.

[@somerandomgamer8504]

TheWhat: give me a health pack near the spell Blue: nah op too campy Zenith: let me teleport to his spawn instantly Blue: hmm ok seems balanced

[@mewmew8932]

tbf, zenith figured that out on his own, blue didn't see that happening

[@skelskeleton]

​@@mewmew8932 i mean no offense to blue but what else would a push 1000000 trigger pointed directly at thewhat's spawn do?

[@mewmew8932]

@@skelskeleton keep someone away

[@biggestenjoyerofthebiggest7796]

@@mewmew8932 keep them from jumping up onto the ledge when there's a completely unprotected staircase 5 steps away?

[@mewmew8932]

@@biggestenjoyerofthebiggest7796 staircase predicable, platform not. You'll also notice that they were there for multiple rounds before he figured the trick out

[@complain9269]

What I learned: TheWhat is more fun to versus than Zenith. Lol “I want an instakill.” LMAO

[@Sypitz]

What do you expect from someone who does his challenges with pockets up his rear

[@Luke-z2x]

Really isn't lol, the what just camps with flares, or on the book till he gets the jump

[@santiaguo21]

To be fair everybody needs an instakill TheWhatShow button in their lives. Zenith was denied his HUMAN RIGHT by blue.

[@primary2630]

@@Sypitz which are you talking about I wanna view em

[@mewmew8932]

@@Sypitz Do you not have 50 medics on you at all times?

[@Concon12316]

the slime block oddly displays how good source's lighting is even today

[@isaachunter3418]

OK this was honestly very entertaining. I would love to see this played again. whether on a different map or with 4 people. Either way id love to see more

[@reimuhakurei2123]

41:44 i just started losing it from this part forward just Zenith teleporting into TheWhatShow spawn and 42:43 the rain of rockets man im crying from laughter im dying also im disappointed that isnt in the thumbnail also the running gag of Zenith wanting to instantly kill TheWhat 52:46 he just jumps between stairs to stairs and im not allowed to instant kill are you whats even the point

[@Toychica71162]

after watching 2 seconds i can tell this is a great blue classic

[@LeSpydrByte]

Same 😂

[@Tf2pyromaniacnotreal]

You immediately know it's a masterpiece one piece???😂

[@LeSpydrByte]

“THE ONE PIECE IS not REAL”

[@Tf2pyromaniacnotreal]

@@LeSpydrByte Yes, it is.

[@lolucorn1]

​@@LeSpydrByteThats what the GOVERNMENT WANTS YOU to BELIEVE

[@thedatabase6850]

Zenith this entire video: "Aww wth! TheWhat's allowed to breathe, but I can't instakill him in a microsecond? Cringe."

[@__-be1gk]

Have the next one start on this map with the exact same changes and it just keeps building every episode

[@mrstudent9125]

Map edits in TF2 have always seemed like a strange case to me

[@Cinnamowo]

2:07 another based take from Zenith. Literally the sanest most bro Chucklenut of em all. I would vote for him

[@sandieggo27]

pls turn this into a series. I love it so much

[@bisquio]

"why can't I instant kill thewhat its no fair" -zenith for 90% of the video lol

[@santiaguo21]

TheWhat can camp but Zenith cannot instantly crash TheWhat's game. Truly 1984

[@YatzeeWillWearAGreenHat]

I really want to see more videos of this format 😍 This is literally jusr Ultime Chicken Horse with guns

[@noahhamilton5974]

Yeah, both are good

[@Lenorewolf312]

Awesome idea, it's interesting to watch the map evolve as the game progresses! I had an idea for some rules you could always try going forward: Only one sentry per player, and they can have the sentry moved around the center space of the "arena". Cannot create an effect that can instantly kill the opponent upon the match starting, maybe a certain HU distance from the doors on the outside?

[@sirsmoss7362]

The hammer editor has always been a strange case to me

[@MortallyBane]

0:58 *Never let Perfect Cell play TF2 every again*

[@TheLofren]

funny that some changes are "nono I must make them balanced" and also putting a teleport, a sentry and a rocket spammer is somehow ok

[@izraeljackson]

I’m going to play devils advocate here and say I think blue was thinking more about what would make a more entertaining video than a fair and balanced game if he wanted that then he wouldn’t have added any of the changes, so when he said that something was unbalanced I think he meant that it was just boring as for all the examples you gave The What could have done the exact same the one truly unfair thing was the rocket spam which he heavily nerfed

[@yellowball1948]

52:49 Zenith laughs before even finishing his talking lol

[@alkimos55]

PLEASE make more of this, this was amazing to watch! I also love how long the video is. :o

[@RX782GP03]

this is great, it be even better if they didn't know each other's edits before the next round

[@maloneymaloney5204]

I think this would be great to make all the changes symmetric, so each player has to make advantageous decisions for attacking with the knowledge that the opponent can do the same thing. By the end, you might have something incredibly well-balanced and interesting, rather than “unplayable”.

[@dudubungles9679]

Im old. Id thought most tf2 content ran its course. Glad to be proven wrong, this was hilariously fun to watch

[@grape_protogen]

Professional Calvinball with a referee. That's what I just watched. And it's still just as goofy from beginning to end.

[@Lunar_Atronach]

technically Calvinball has a referee its just the players

[@fruitloop420]

this is one of the most entertaining and high potential concepts i've seen yet! keep this stuff up, it got me rolling on the floor laughing!!

[@HalfDaft]

52:46 “Its a little bit campy” a hp pack at the spell book its too much, but the i go to your spawn Instantly is just fine howww

[@badasscrusader]

It took him multiple rounds to actually figure out how to do it and after winning thewhat could have just instantly countered it by putting walls in front of it

[@amalkrishnanajay5907]

Literally removes the campiness and causes them to fight directly before the what could pull of his boring ass campy style.

[@andyghkfilm2287]

0:50 Rigby when he goes 1 to 33 against Mordecai

[@haazmat]

Good find 😂

[@ALTEMERI]

legendary

[@cappantwan2978]

This reminds me of an old TF2 mode where people placed items to build their own fort on an empty map. I miss that mode.

[@orangu06]

what was it called tho its familiar

[@cappantwan2978]

@@orangu06 I think it was called Fort Wars

[@twinkytwinklier1400]

Thewhat seems like a genuine fun friend to play with. Zenith on the other hand…

[@zoompipes_twin2889]

I’d love to see more of this, this is a great concept

[@undeniablySomeGuy]

TheWhat: Zenth's push trigger is too OP! Also TheWhat: Keeps walking out of spawn the same way without adapting

[@Gamemaniac92711]

the other hazard-marked push trigger does kinda block the alternate exit out of the what's spawn while offering Zenith's second teleport option even more approach routes though doesn't it?

[@zackOOO-nz9rh]

god this was a blast to watch the whole time, i didn't even notice it was an hour long lmao

[@anshsgh6092]

its WHAT

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

I'm surprised "Make the floor lava" wasn't the first thing they tried.

[@johnfontaine1229]

Please for the love of God do this again. I was howling with laughter a few times and there absolutely needs to be more

[@juno8333]

This is one of.the funniest tf2 videos ive ever seen this format is amazing please make a part two!!! :D

[@GnomeAndHalflingEnjoyer]

"Add a Trainsawlaser to thewhat's spawnroom."

[@thegreatautismo224]

I don't actually want to see this again with better rules I want to see it again with worse rules

[@lemonlemonlemonlemonlemons]

That rule for balance went out the window in Zenith's favour pretty quick, huh? Rapidly became just a siege on TheWhat's spawn with rules on him being way stricter.

[@Tyranitar.]

“Balance” my ass, half of what Zenith did was suggest more ways to make things less fair.

[@Svar3n2527]

The fact that you are talking about balance in this fucking gamemod is funny

[@lemonlemonlemonlemonlemons]

@@Svar3n2527 That was literally the only rule at first. I would be fine with no balance if it was mutual, but it wasn't and it just made the vid more frustrating than fun to watch.

[@Svar3n2527]

@@lemonlemonlemonlemonlemons the point of the first is not to make the game balanced is to not make this fucked/boring/impossible

[@lemonlemonlemonlemonlemons]

@@Svar3n2527 That'd be pointless pedantry if it weren't also wrong. Watch from 0:08 to 0:15 and you'll notice he specifically refers to balance. All he had to do was make the more powerful changes serve both sides (you know, balance them) and it would have been far more entertaining, not to mention fair. In addition, you'll also notice that TheWhat had to start playing really defensively (boringly) entirely because of how unfair what Zenith was getting away with was, therefore even by your own metrics it wasn't done well.

[@ScrubBear]

This was such an amazing video idea. I want to see so much more of this! Honestly a 10/10 concept.

[@DaRockeet]

Their barbaric spells Vs. Our glorious launch pads

[@lilchris9cmb]

I would like to see this again, a lot of potential. Whether something silly like adding 30 Snakewater snakes that are cosmetic and do nothing, or turning the capture point into the Necro Smasher

[@MakiesOkami]

I was hoping Zenny would request putting a giant sign on the wall that says "Subscribe to Zenith!". Maybe next time.

[@Mr_Bow]

Thewhat should been place a mirror push triggers with opposite direction and same force. Zenny would fly with speed of light from one corner to another

[@Flamma_Dreemurr]

PLEASE do this again I haven’t laughed this hard in MONTHS

[@YoshiBobby]

R.I.P. Bad Luck Brian, died on big boingy

[@HondaCivic0053]

Zenith seems like the kind of guy who when playing pretend would always go “force field! Force field! Nuh uh, you can’t hurt me! Force field!”

[@emred4653]

this format has fantastic potential depending on the edits, hope you do more

[@WolfDB]

TheWhat's edits: "Yeah, can I get a thing that gives me a slight advantage so that way I have a better chance of pulling a neat strategy?" Zenith's edits: "Yeah, can you make it that TheWhat isn't allowed to play the game anymore?"

[@shockbox4289]

Love this! Would love to see another episode and Great Blue could even have some pre-made contraptions to place at player discretion!

[@gjfjfkdksdjjdkeke1309]

You know I love the video and have watched it multiple times, but the spellbook always feels like a turning point that shouldn’t have been allowed. It added a TON of rng and gave both players a chance to roll a guaranteed win out of the blue.

[@inductivegrunt94]

1v1 Turbine arena as the map changes. This is perfect seeing Zenith and TheWhat fighting as they continuously break the map more and more.

[@cluelessdenizen2258]

Artificial intelligence ass comment

[@toxic_shr00m]

was this ai generated

[@haretrigger69]

ChatGPT ass comment tf

[@cluelessdenizen2258]

@@toxic_shr00m dude I said the exact same thing but I think my comment was deleted

[@toxic_shr00m]

@@cluelessdenizen2258 KZbin tends to delete comments that have links or swear too much, so that might be why? If you didn't do either of those I have no idea.

[@percher4824]

Perfectly captures the reason why Ultimate Chicken Horse is the best party game.

[@professionalanagram]

this was sick, really love the strategy of it all. curious to see what they would do differently a second time around now that they know more about hammer

[@badasscrusader]

Yeah a bit more refined too

[@notdemomantf2294]

55:20 and here we see; the rare Editor's Mistake in it's natural habitat, near the end of the video when tired.

[@BunnySpiritWalker]

After watching this from start to finish, I'm happy TheWhat won.

[@Tyranitar.]

Half of Zenith’s requests are just “Can I win for free?”

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Yeah same. Zenith's a jackass.

[@GeorgeWilkins]

Man, one of the funniest videos I've seen in a while. Thanks, I needed that. Zenith teleporting to The What at 45:56 completely ended me. I was in tears. 😅

[@jesterjerry5999]

this would be so much fun between 2 teams and they have to discuss what they want to add for their tactics

[@MegapiemanPHD]

If you decide to do something like this again, you can use premade prefabs of previously made logic to quickly drop in hammer and give players a list of em to pick from.

[@freezie4511]

This was so hilarious, at 42:56 I was actually crying with how funny that turned out to be!

[@stevenhickory5143]

OG title:TF2 but if you lose, you edit the map

[@BullerPerson]

Thanks i was wondering what happend

[@LakeOfPoland]

I speak for all of us. I found this video a good watch that I wish too see more of. The context is good and I hope you keep up the good work

[@xann2681]

you should re-do this but give more leeway for insanity but all changes are cloned for the other side too, so its always fair

[@izraeljackson]

Then more than likely Zenith would win (no hate to Zenith at all) in the beginning (befit the major changes) Zenith was winning a lot more than The What so if The What was to basically try to do anything (give himself an advantage or Zenith a disadvantage) it would just cancel out

[@creative_hamster]

At this point great blue is just your average Netflix bully 😭😭😭