I found a new home...sort of. The Lisbon housing market sucks.

[@gutsynomad]

"...I've put on Cher's 'Believe' and I've just been kind of like dancing all morning to ... some 90's, early 2000's dance jams..." This is what life is about 😂🦄

[@Papayasalad13]

Don’t have any regrets, it’s better to lose money than end up with anxiety and second thoughts in a place you would eventually hate. Your apartment looks lovely and i’m sure you’ll have another happy year there! What neighborhood are you currently at?

[@AdrienField]

I’m in Principe Real

[@keenonyoga]

I'm glad you are staying where you are, I could tell from the videos that you are in the right place. Just spread the cost of the lost deposit over the year or what you would spend moving out again in 6 months when you couldn't stand it. It's never good to be by a big road. Hang in there and you will find your place.

[@AdrienField]

Thank you, that’s also the way I’m looking at it

[@eduardoherrera6320]

I admire you. I have acted similarly and second guessed myself afterward. Your Portuguese sounds pretty good! I am about to start learning the language myself. Hopefully you can get your money back! Good luck!

[@mohametlaytar]

what camera and mic do you use? amazing video quality!

[@tamaramadelin4831]

I think you made the right call! I personally wouldn't want to live in either of those areas. I lived in Avenidas Novas and loved it in that area. Campo Pequeno or Saldahna are both great areas! Look in the center, but out of the touristy areas.

[@mdjay1000]

Noise pollution is such an important factor. 2k for a apartment in Lisbon sounds wildly expensive though. Things must have changed in the once affordable Lisbon.

[@AdrienField]

Lisbon is not that affordable. Especially for the Portuguese

[@loa367]

​​@@AdrienField Lisbon used to be affordable, lived there for a couple of years even after breaking up with my boyfriend at the time. I moved to old town (Graça) with my dog for a 1 bedroom apartment for 6 years. I used to pay 250€ and raised max to 350€ when I moved country in 2013 when our PM said the economy was broken and we needed to find jobs abroad. This ridiculous prices started when Madonna moved to Lisbon and became trendy, absolutely heart breaking💔 for Alfacinhas and Lusitanian people hoping to move back in a few years! I'm just stating facts not being r a c ist! Aah I'm mixed race person

[@AdrienField]

Wow, those prices are long gone. I agree, this country is pretty broken economically and it doesn’t make sense how hard the housing prices are compared to the average wages.

[@GengarOnXanax]

​@@loa367 Not really... Before Madonna there were already problems especially due to a huge wave of brazillians and africans. Some used Portugal as an entrance to Europe due to the easy access of citizenship and passport (easier than other European countries), but most stayed but didn't went for the smaller and less populated cities. Fast forward and a wave of "digital nomads" from richer european countries and north america also came and stayed in the same cities because they are the most developed. Then came a wave of asian (mostly from nepal, india and pakistan), some did occupy the small cities and villages, but most also came for the most developed cities. The Portuguese middle class disappeared, young people (from 18 to 30) can't buy houses, an apartment is almost 2x the mid wage value. A room in Lisbon and overall cities are almost the same price as the minimum wage or at least 25-50% of your salary, unless you want something in a cave and don't mind having a small room with no conditions.

[@AdrienField]

Good analysis

[@christaylor4667]

You should ask for at least half the deposit back. I also pulled out of an apartment in Lisbon after a week and got 50 percent back. You should try. But good move about that apartment. It’s a super noisy area and you didn’t even mention the airplanes going overhead. And the bridge noise too.

[@AdrienField]

Actually the airplanes you couldn’t really hear from inside the apartment, the noise was from the road though

[@rennie2611]

@@AdrienFieldI could hear the noise from the video.

[@thesilk1954]

Adrien. Been watching you for a while. (Not in a weird way : ). ). What is the appeal of living in Portugal? I've been bouncing around Bali, Lombok Cebu and Da nang for the past year and I'm trying to convince myself to go back to Colombia. But with the amount of comfort you can get in Asia Vs the Cost? No other country compares... Wondering what I'm missing about these places that appeal to so many people.

[@AdrienField]

I do miss many aspects of my life in Asia but as a single gay man it is pretty hopeless. Also the lack of infrastructure in Bali was frustrating at times, I ended up isolated at home often because going outside was too exhausting.

[@snoopy13946]

Finding the right home can be awfully difficult. I love views but I’d prioritise peace and quiet. Views don’t mean much when you have traffic noise you can’t get away from.

[@AdrienField]

Yes, a big part of the problem is that the bedroom also faces the road. There’s no way to escape it

[@D-One]

1900Eur ?? THAT IS INSANITY, thats more double the minimum monthly wage of the country.

[@AdrienField]

Clearly not every apartment in the world is affordable for those making the minimum wage

[@D-One]

@@AdrienField Sure... Cant argue against that. From someone who lives here for 35 years: the average T2/3 used to be around the same as minimum wage not that long ago.

[@mindaugaslukosiunas]

Housing was the reason I left Lisbon. :( The prices are CRAZY. Best of luck finding a place.

[@AdrienField]

It might be the reason why I end up leaving too at some point 🫤

[@keenonyoga]

@@AdrienField are you on the facebook group about people leaving Portugal? Maybe consider Spain? It's not easy.

[@AdrienField]

Spain was always my first choice. I’m only here because of the Visa. Eventually I will leave Portugal most likely once I have a passport and the ability to live anywhere in the EU

[@anom3897]

Additional comment living opposite a hospital or graveyard is bad feng shui!

[@AdrienField]

Lots of ambulances going by there 😩

[@paulolopes_studioPLO]

I find so comical the fact that well off immigrants such as Adrien are complaining about Lisbon's housing market and prices...when the fact is ..these prices were inflated due the the large demand created by ...those same well off immigrants. 12 years ago I used to own a beautiful 80 sqm flat in central Lisbon - I was renting it for a while for 700 euros - that was the acceptable and sustainable price. But then a wave of Americans, French, Dutch and whatnot came in floods, driving prices completely unsustainable for the local population. You are complaining about prices? FYI minimum wage in Portugal is little over 800 euros. a medium white collar salary in Lisbon will be 1200, 1300 euros. I love mobility, and the fact that people can travel, learn and share cultural insights with each other - I truly do. But be mindful of your presence , impact and footprint.

[@AdrienField]

The prices were already high before I arrived and it’s not as if my singular presence is to blame for the fact that the economy is bad and the government has favored bringing in immigrants because they cannot create an environment in which the local people are able to live well.

[@paulolopes_studioPLO]

@@AdrienField Absolutely - I do completely agree that this isa government "mafia" problem. It's been happening for quite a few years - and the latest elected government has decided to perpetuate it even further. Now, do not feel personally attacked. As I mentioned, "immigrants like Adrien" not Adrien specifically. And I mentioned a time frame as well. You are one of many, many, many others. In fact you enjoy KZbin success due to that migration flow. Having said that - I believe this is the perfect situation to clarify the context and background for the issues you are mentioning. The solutions is regulation - and regulation is stubbornly missing

[@AdrienField]

I have been on youtube for 6 years (well before I moved to Portugal) and i make a few hundred dollars a year from it. If that’s success then the bar is pretty low 😂

[@paulolopes_studioPLO]

@@AdrienField indeed - you have room for improvement. None the less there's popularity around moving to Portugal, and before that to Barcelona, and before Berlin, etc... As these locations end up spawning reactions of social unrest - the same is happening and will happen further in Lisbon. In fact, Lisbon is not really Lisbon anymore...just a caricature f itself

[@cristianomendes4904]

one clue...when a lnadoner in portugal say mayby i will have to live here our for my son...thats a glue son or later u will be out of that....tahts a small talk here , that shoull u ......carefull.....they dont say it if they dont want u in a long time in the rental...thats a sine of carefull in your head... im portuguese !! and thats a sine that he or she want incresse the value of the flat....small contracts of time...will increase the rent ...they always think in that ....one hug and tc

[@AdrienField]

I don’t trust my landlord as far as I can throw her

[@rennie2611]

What about rental houses, I’m sure you would have the space needed.

[@figgettit]

bruh you needed to extend on a month to month basis. then continue searching. that's all.

[@AdrienField]

You’re right, that’s what I should have done 🫤

[@s.y.n.c.c]

1990s kkkkkk more like 2010s

[@anom3897]

1900 euro a month for Portugal !!!! Your getting scammed even Amsterdam is cheaper and that is 1000X times more popular and better job market then Portugal. Prices are going up and up in Europe because of expats immigrants. So your part of the problem of rising prices.

[@AdrienField]

It’s not a scam. This is what the prices are.

[@AdrienField]

Prices are going up everywhere in the world.

[@anom3897]

@@AdrienField Might not be a scamm but Im shocked by the prices!

[@davidmarques4209]

minimum wage is not even 900. imagine how hard it is to actually live and work here, like most portuguese people do and always did before Lisbon was trendy for foreigners... ridiculous.

[@AdrienField]

The minimum wage in New York State is currently $16 per hour in NYC, which makes it tough to afford the average rent of around $6,166. So NYC isn’t exactly affordable for minimum wage earners either. The situation in Lisbon isn’t unique, unfortunately.

[@EnronnSierra]

My gosh, to just have 2k go down the drain like that, you are strong. I remember your frustration with your taxes and the amount you owed. Europe is looking more undesirable the more of the KZbin expat videos I watch. I am conflicted about what I will do when retirement approaches in a couple decades, do I stay in the US and find a cheaper location or do I attempt somewhere like Mexico (potential crime), Europe (Portugal, France, Spain) - expensive, language barrier? I do want to be in a western culture though thats gay friendly though.

[@AdrienField]

Well you have a couple of decades to figure that out. The world will be a different place then

[@bobbyjett7047]

Im looking at Mysore, India.

[@AdrienField]

Unless you are a hard-core Ashtangi yogi I can’t imagine why anyone would want to live in mysore. I lived there for 30 days to do a yoga teacher training and it is not a comfortable place.

[@bobbyjett7047]

@@AdrienFieldwhy do you say this? It seems very clean with nice neighborhoods and a good vibe

[@AdrienField]

Have you ever actually been there? India is a very dysfunctional place. If you don’t speak the local language you will also have a very hard time there.