i had a ben shapiro/jordan peterson phase... and i'm glad i did

[@urbanoverlord2412]

“I was just as close minded as the people I accused of being closed minded” This. So much of this.

[@RictusHolloweye]

You can see examples of it in many of the comment threads here. I've read a fair few comments giving their opinion or experience (usually quite mildly) only to receive a string of furious replies denouncing them and throwing insults and strawmen. I guess it's just part of the human condition. After all, we are still apes and our base instincts have a far greater influence on our decision making than we like to acknowledge.

[@eatyourcereal6577]

A really beautiful quote here

[@leonamvinoy3008]

26:12

[@adij9432]

@@Seeattle added sm to the conversation 😩💀

[@Gaburierairuze]

Right?! It's shocking to me that they don't realize they're different sides of the same coin.

[@luciennederooy7153]

It’s always confusing to me when americans use the terms liberal and left wing interchangeably. Here in europe they are usually considered polar opposites. The right is considered liberal, with the ideals of the free market and emphasis on individual responsibility, while the left is considered socialist with more responsibility for the state as a whole to look after its citizens.

[@luciennederooy7153]

In addition to that, in europe left wing and conservative are not considered opposites. We have a spectrum of left wing(socialist) and right wing(liberal) and then theres conservative versus progressive.

[@j2daakob]

Out overton window is so far to the right socalism and communism mean the same thing and anything left of Republican is liberal

[@rosamancuso2740]

I think here in America what are considered liberals in Europe are called libertarians. There is a difference between the two. Liberals are more leftwing while libertarians are considered fiscal conservatives not necessarily moral conservatives.

[@Hieroph4nt]

By liberal do you mean Libertarians? If so, that would fit the use we use too. Liberals want more government control, because they believe they can control things more securely and enforce diversity and equality throughout the country.

[@CA-zr1kz]

Well that’s because America is a different country than yours so of course they are different. Liberalism and left wing are the destruction and downfall of society

[@teetee1324]

The problems is recently everyone thinks that they have to go extreme to one side or extreme to the other. They also make it their personality. Like calm down

[@kamu38]

Yeah I agree. The concept is weird. You don't have to fangirl over commentators or youtubers. Peterson is mad smart so it's always interesting to hear his thoughts on various psychological-related issues and watch some of his lectures, I don't care about anything else re climate change/god because he's not about that. And I know nothing about Shapiro etc because I don't really care.

[@quotidian5077]

Exactly!

[@coolfear360]

Centrism wack. Pick a side to the max. 😎

[@change_5088]

Yes...blame on social media and their algorythm, anti intelectualism, society of spectacle, lack of justice , lack of an indetity and sense, negligence in mental health by the system that cares more about productivity and profits than people and their needs in some cities , hypernormalization , hyper reality,liquid modernity ,and so on ...

[@idot3331]

It's alarming how many people seem to say and believe "If you're not a ultra-left supercommunist then you might as well be a nazi", and how many people misunderstand what centrism really is. I don't label myself as a centrist because it's become a bit of a meme to hate and misunderstand centrism, but going by the actual definition I probably am a left-leaning centrist. Extremes are clearly what causes most of the problems, centrism does not mean being complacent with the status quo.

[@salsafeynix]

As a conservative leaning person, I really appreciate you pointing out the tricks and things these conservative speakers use. It really bothers me that they foster a narrative while accusing the left of doing the exact same thing. Also, How to Lie with Statistics by Darrell Huff is a really good book about how statistics can be misleading.

[@miaworthington2148]

Thank you. It’s incredibly frustrating to watch someone demonize one side of an argument ( a lot of the use words like evil and demonic to discredit the left) while shoving their agendas down your throat

[@elizabethlaws9128]

Using Statistics to be misleading is something that is so prevalent that everyone should learn about it. My kids are in grade school and I'm glad that they are still teaching in math and science classes how to make and read graphs and charts. The problems come in when they don't put in the important factors on the chart and then claim that they are showing something quite unrelated. While I've met the conservative people that are "everything can be fixed with personal responsibility" people, I know more that are let's fix social and systemic problems at the local level so we can see if what we think will fix things will actually work. I joke that being in the center is a great way to make everyone hate you 😅 but let's ignore the really crazy fringe ideas for a second. Say that there is a young couple, unmarried and out of work, that are going to have a baby. Everyone wants what is best for them. The left are likely to offer to abort the pregnancy, make sure there are state sponsored benefits paid to the woman since she's legally single, and try to support them from a government level. The opinion from the right might have a good dose of personal responsibility in there, encouraging the couple to get married or stay together to raise the child, but they are also going to want to help by making sure there are local food banks so the couple can eat, support churches and post birth centers who provide diapers, formula, and other supplies for children, be good neighbors that will mow their lawn, watch the baby, bring over casseroles or invite the family over for cook outs, and many other things that are specific to their needs from the town level. When you find a group of people willing to discuss things, the common thread is always they want the best for people. A rising tide raises all ships. We win or lose together. However, when we disagree about what is best for people, the methods needed to achieve a common goal, or declare that we know what is right and invalidate people's personal desires about what they feel is best for them we get all the yelling and drama that is so prevalent in videos all over the internet today.

[@LAZRGATR]

Kind of depressing grifters like Shapiro or Peterson are considered “representative” of the right

[@andrewsadler5418]

Based on people I interact with in my personal life and in my professional life as a social worker, I do not think this is accurate. While there are plenty of charitable right leaning people, they tend to stop at donations or the occasional charitable act. The while personal responsibility tends to foster poor attitudes towards the poor and homeless in particular. I hate to say that many left leaning people outside of my field are no better, as they are mostly performative in their actions. The sad fact is that society in the US places so much emphasis on individualism, which helps to foster these polarized issues. Left vs right, black vs white, lgbtq vs cis, younger generation vs older generation.

[@elizabethlaws9128]

@@andrewsadler5418 lol I don't think we disagree at all actually. I was more describing my understanding about how both sides present solutions to societies problems. There is a dramatic decrease in community in the US compared to how my grandparents described things. There are only 2 or 3 of my neighbors that I would recognize if I saw them in the grocery store and I don't have their phone numbers or emails or anything. While there are small pockets where people can still find community around interests, I don't see the kind of community that people talk about either. Yesterday I said something that someone said they didn't feel was accurate, and I asked "Which part of my comment was it A or B?" Apparently that was offensive enough that they blocked me instead of letting me know what was wrong. I would love to know how to move society away from treating people like they are disposable.

[@Tcbca]

The fact the she has no embarrassment and is able to put herself out on the internet like this makes it so genuine and respectable. This level of honesty is what we need. Everyone can relate to a degree.

[@wuyi6945]

Let's face that fact: the conservative side is incapable of forming ANY logical argument.

[@Tcbca]

@@wuyi6945 That seems awfully emotional Serafinu...I think you missed the entire point.

[@wuyi6945]

@@Tcbca convince me

[@animetoonshd3889]

@@wuyi6945 I think it’s quite the opposite. I don’t think I identify with neither leftists or rightists but conservatives nowadays definitely form better arguments than liberals. Not to say that progressives suck at arguing, but conservatives are less common and need a way to get out there and they do that by forming logic arguments. I think Ben Shapiro is the definition a good debater and I can’t say the same for left wing representatives

[@b_delta9725]

​@@animetoonshd3889 they make logic arguments but often reject new ones. i used to like being a conservative because they like making hard and important questions, and they don't sugar coat stuff, but that attitude stems from their hate of everything that's not capitalist, and their hate to people overall, they're often more adult and more experienced yet they seem too much into hating any new trend. take neopronouns for example, a normal reaction to neopronouns would be "that's silly as hell, what is the purpose? would someone even benefit from this?", maybe read about it to try and form an opinion... but no, they take it at face value, they act like it's a problem present in every school that needs to be erradicated or else their children will be castrated, when the real world outside of the internet is far more nuanced, people aren't really affected by these things, and they harass the new generation over anything, as if child neglect wasn't the main reason of their depressed mentality. also i don't think there are many left wing representatives. like of course the right has Ben shapiro, jordan peterson and plenty other men in suits, but the left only has... zizek? and i like that dude but he's so old, channels like these represent the left a lot more i think

[@Lea-ul7dr]

I went through a really intense Jordan Peterson phase too. I think what is so addicting about it is watching the way intelligent people speak with confidence and self-assurance. Jordan Peterson is so purposeful with word choice, and always corrects interviewers who try to twist his meaning. As someone who sucks at arguing/debating, it's almost like watching an olympic athlete and I'm more in awe than anything?

[@_ghoul3z]

Wow wow wow, exactly this! It was moreso awe-inducing for me to see someone calmly maintain their position and managing to keep up in discussions so effortlessly

[@katybee3891]

Intelligence has nothing to do with confidence but people who can’t understand a discussion intellectually tend to believe the more confident person. Don’t let the way someone presents their argument influence your opinion.

[@kevincastellanos6328]

That's exactly how I watch any debate or controversial interaction. Whether I'm watching Shapiro, Peterson, Harris, Destiny or Vaush, I'm more often than not watching it like a sports watcher rather than because I agree with anything they're saying. I just enjoy the art of debate and rhetoric.

[@notonfire7318]

Yeah same. But then I realised that I wasn't really understanding his arguments sometimes, sometimes because of my own fault and sometimes because he was speaking plain bs. I think he has some great insight on psychology, but on politics and sociology he's really not that educated, he's just a really good orator. I would recommend watching Contrapoints and Cass Eris's videos on him for a fair critique

[@sabelotoda2]

@@notonfire7318 no the contrapoint video on him is bad. Wich bullshit has he said? For the most part he only said thinks that are fact.

[@stevendamian2871]

In 2016 I was getting off heroin and struggling mightily. Out of desperation I emailed Jordan Peterson, this was right around Bill c 16 so not quite at the height of his fame. He corresponded with me, gave me free access to his programs, and really took interest in helping me get clean. It's 2022 now, and I am still clean. I will always be grateful to that man

[@ewaberchulska]

Wow ,I'm glad your doing better ,sending you so much love and peace

[@ianbyrne465]

Well, if this is true (not trying to be a dick, just that it’s the internet, you never know) I’m glad you got clean and you’re doing better! I don’t agree with Jordan Peterson much, but I’m glad he was able to help you!

[@jameskennedy6719]

I don't think anyone would deny that Peterson is a good psychologist, and he probably helped many more like you. It was more of a tragedy of circumstances, some of his personal views just happened to have coincided with conservative reaction towards woke politics at the time, when the right was looking for its "high priest of reason" to speak for them. Peterson took that role even though much of the contestation that were occurring were outside of his area of expertise, perhaps by the prospect of recognition and public adoration that he could never dream of as a regular university professor. But from his debate with Zizek you can see a man who has been forced onto a stage that's a little too big for him. I wouldn't be surprised if the stress from all this played a part in his benzo addiction and bizarre lifestyle choices.

[@ianbyrne465]

@@jameskennedy6719 Poor guy. Yeah, being thrust into the deep-end so to speak would be pretty rough

[@johnnickfanaccount3492]

@@jameskennedy6719 Peterson isn't even right wing he's just a neolib larper like the rest of them

[@trinitygallagher]

THIS IS SO REFRESHING. i went through the exact same thing. i was bullied so hard by students and professors in college for bringing up conservative topics in "open" discussions. and just because of that, i sunk my heels in, falling pretty deep into the ben shapiro rabbit hole. and JUST like you, i discovered the ugly side of the right as well. my republican step father would spew just awful things with no backing, which brought me to my independent political label today. all you can wish for on this journey is tolerance, love, and truth

[@jasperrafols750]

Oh boy.

[@puntodelectura]

"I was wrong, and when people told be 'yo b*tch, you are outta line' I was line WHAT? I felt really uncomfy, it was like a real attack on my freedom of being wrong about everything, but then I saw someone else be wrong more loudly and I ALMOST reached self-awareness. I mean, it didn't make me rethink things really to the point of being right 'cause I'm still butthurt about that time I was called out for being wrong, but I'm, like, gonna sit it out" (You, probably)

[@ivskwy_18]

@@puntodelectura"any opinion that does not unconditionally align with my side of the political spectrum is wrong because i have the critical thinking and awareness of a twelve year old and people should be attacked for basic use of free speech and having an opinion, especially in educational spaces. to convey this ridiculous message, i’m going to aim for a pointless form of irony that gives off a message that i’m too afraid to directly confront and clash with online and political discourse i don’t agree with and will instead make immature arguments with zero substance like this" (you, probably)

[@mybrokenfingerz]

@@ivskwy_18LMAOO OMGG

[@lukholotukela5795]

@@ivskwy_18 Damn! Bro, don't make her cry... 🤣🤣👏

[@MOX-ch2]

This is one thing i really hate about KZbin and social media as a whole nowadays. As soon as you start leaning left or right the algorithm picks up on it and starts blaring it in your face to get you to click on it. All it does is lead to confirmation bias and divisions

[@AbeYousef]

yeah youtube didn't change its algorithm that favours radicalization, it just made sure it radicalizes towards to the left instead of the right nowadays

[@odst2247]

If you watch both leftist and conservative materials this won’t happen though;

[@Shilpa_Kujur]

@@odst2247 Kinda of true but the algorithm is sort of able to tell what you prefer more.

[@kickoGaming]

@@odst2247 actually what it does is, it breaks the algorithm believe it or not. It's just sad people go into these "Phases" & become shit people or they break out of the left or right phases. Which then I notice they become decent people.

[@odst2247]

@@Shilpa_Kujur “prefer” is mainly based one what you watch more, you start watching ‘leftist” videos (whatever that is, or defined as) you’ll see those more, so you balance it out with whatever counters that, or you do as most people do, and just look up the content you’re looking for. Don’t you do that anyways? There’s billions of videos, don’t get stuck in your feed

[@GnosticTraveller]

Most people won’t ever consider that they’ve had it wrong, especially life-long beliefs. That takes a lot of humility to explore

[@shadowofhawk55]

I'm actually the opposite. I am constantly second guessing my own views, but I think that's why I can trust them. I am incredibly critical of them, so I can pick out their flaws within certain situations.

[@625098evan]

shadowofhawk55 1 is correct. riddle me this: if someone is humble, deep thinking, and comfortable with admitting they are wrong, what do they do if they find out that they are right?

[@shadowofhawk55]

@@625098evan Keep it to yourself cause you know that people will either agree with you on it or remain entrenched in their own world view cause they are clearly right cause they know better than you. So nothing is really gained.

[@robxsiq7744]

@@625098evan understand and empathize with how others who may have a incorrect view could come to that conclusion would be the next step

[@625098evan]

@@robxsiq7744, agreed. perhaps after that one could present day technology to help as many people as possible. using the previously stated humility of course.

[@misterdeity]

Sounds like you learned HOW to think rather than WHAT to think. That's the key! You've also learned how to assess claims and what constitutes actual evidence. Good job!!!

[@djhardcorehengst6356]

What about WHY?

[@misterdeity]

@@djhardcorehengst6356 So you don't turn into a MAGA!

[@djhardcorehengst6356]

@@misterdeity make American great again? Wdym

[@naniruja3407]

@@misterdeity Yea hate MAGA so much that you elect someone like Biden and Harris... Pure American failures 😂🤣😂

[@naniruja3407]

@@djhardcorehengst6356 The OP is just a close-minded leftist who has yet to learn "How to think?" but will preach others to do so...🤣😂🤣

[@direweasel7101]

I relate to this SO HARD. It feels sometimes that I can't talk about my opinions with anyone because everyone will just hate me. From both sides. I try to evaluate the information I take in with scrutiny, and hate hypocrisy and manipulation techniques. It's very frustrating navigating the modern cultural landscape because people are so quick to latch on to a viewpoint like it's scripture and be so sure that THEY"RE RIGHT that they leave no room for nuance or complexity. I've been repeating a phrase ad nauseum for the past four years. That phrase being "It's more complicated than you think it is"

[@TheDumplingGecko]

Exactly. People are so blinded by theses cultish political parties that they just respond with anger. It’s shown in the comments of this video and throughout all democratic nations. People need to really calm down and take the time to focus on themselves, not what politicians want and say.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

There are people like you ( and me ) around! We share a similar hatred of hypocrisy and manipulative techniques. You want to know what is so dangerous about this sentiment, though? Hypocrisy applies to YOU AND ME as well! No one is immune to it, rather, it is about monitoring ourselves and managing any creeping hypocrisy that wants to raise its ugly head within us again. We agree, too, regarding nuance and complexity, the need thereof. There is a difference between Complexity and Complicated. If you are a Truth-Seeker, learn how to distinguish between the two. I've been hated / "unfriended" by people very conservative to very progressive. They both hold extreme country club membership rules, believe they have THE truth, and will not have the intellectual honesty and courage to admit when another tribe has a good point. ( This happens in Religion / Politics / Culture & the Arts, etc. ) P.S. -- Again, watch out for any personal hypocrisy whatsoever. Often when anyone protests so much about another's fault, they usually contain a similar fault as well. Or, a good way to stay humble while open-minded is to ask oneself: Is there ANY way whatsoever that I am in error of the very thing I am judging as wrong? It doesn't have to be the exact same error/sin/evil, it can even be in another context or category altogether. We must stay humble while pursuing truth, utilizing critical thinking, forming our judgments. Peace & Love to you, fellow traveler.

[@nicolasjimenez6583]

I think exposure to social media from a young age might have something to do with it

[@dieauferstehung]

its funny how she admits universities are left leaning, she goes to college and becomes left leaning HAHAH coincedence ;))))

[@pri6096]

I have started making an effort to stop consuming a lot of content, and actually talk to people. This has made me realize that people are actually good and want to listen to you. My biggest learning has been realizing that political opinions are a part of our personality but they do not entirely define us.

[@dogchaser520]

This is the only reasonable response. There are no sides. We're all just people. "Sides" are the divide and conquer strategy used to prevent people from thinking too hard, including the OP.

[@Volan21]

Oh my god, this is me literally. I got into a lot of arguments with my family basing my opinions over things I saw online. I just didn’t talk to anyone because I thought I might encounter some “awful thought” (aka different opinion). But when I decided ti actually talk to people and treat them as such, things just get a whole lot easier.

[@xocolaatl]

I've done both, but i just can't overcome the homophobia i live in my environment, sometimes it might be easier to some to just up and leave the idea of fighting in terms of politics. But when you're told your going to hell and should not be treated as an equal, the idea that there's more good people than bad people doesn't resonate. Cause it might be true but there's still people who given the chance would strip you of your rights, all because of ignorance and misinformation.

[@hollandscottthomas]

So much "content" ends up funnelling you onto a rail because of how the algorithms work, and not even in the ways you expect. It's important to listen to people and their experiences, and to also be aware of their biases. And above all: you gotta be kind.

[@godnotavailable2094]

I know I'll sound like a boomer for saying this, but the internet has really ruined the way we communicate with others. It undoubtedly has the positive effect of making us smarter and spreading information quicker than ever, but there's also misinformation mixed in with real information, propped up narratives, a bunch of dumbass people like me consuming it all and making dumbass, unintelligent statements, and everyone's forming a fucking cult or something. It's so artificial and not how humans organically communicated for thousands of years.

[@cheggg-i6q]

the amount of self-awareness, maturity and reflection in this video is insane. absolutely love it

[@onox4740]

This level of self-awareness, maturity and reflection should be the norm.

[@cheggg-i6q]

@@onox4740 agree, but unfortunately it's not realistic

[@TheHadMatters]

I mean. Took her long enough. Being surprised that black-on-black violence coexists next to racist oppression just because you're an impressionable high-schooler, and going so far as to let that change your mind about your political beliefs, is an indicator of some absurd amounts of naiveté. I was an impressionable high-schooler, too, but that doesn't have to erase your ability to perceive the nuances of reality...Obviously black-on-black and ghetto violence is an issue. Doesn't mean the government shouldn't find better ways to dissolve it early on than to throw people in jail in herds. The resources invested into addressing the problem were pretty laughable compared to what could have been done, had priorities been more progress-oriented. Tl;dr: You bet she was able to learn self-awareness. There's only so many years of your life that you can waste being mind-blown by the existence of a black conservative.

[@cheggg-i6q]

@@TheHadMatters i'm impressed not by the fact that she has changed her beliefes, but by her ability to fully and systematically understand what and why led her to the conclusions she made. It's extremely rare, most people dont bother themselves thinking about things like that. And it's okay to be impressionable when you are young. We can shape stable and solid systems of beliefes only by challenging and doubting them, so it's even good that she did that. And it wasnt a main point of your reply, but i would argue there is any opression in the modern western world, particularly in the US, where those ideas about opression come from. There is discrimination and certain problems for certain social groups, but saying that white people live their best lives at the expense of black people wouldn't be true

[@zoerobinson1967]

@@TheHadMatters agreed

[@theendlesslights]

I sometimes feel so alone being a leftist who used to be conservative. It's so strange that most people don't change their opinions on things. It's like beliefs are more about identity than morality.

[@oboe6548]

So true! I've found my people here!

[@wyass4722]

I feel like the big thing is that politics don't have to be ethical to be relevant TO YOU. They have to be moral

[@magmaro2260]

aye man me too

[@Bruhsue]

@@wyass4722 well said

[@afarensis16]

"It's like beliefs are more about identity than morality" And there ya' go, hitting the nail on the head an everything....

[@erikzherrllo6960]

I made a damn fan art of Ben saying “facts don’t care about your feelings” and he liked it on Twitter MY GOOOOD THE PAAAAIN

[@Emma-Maze]

My condolences that you'll have to live with that, sending hugs :'D

[@ganjacore]

Do you still have it 😂

[@vontae1339]

Ben says facts don’t care about feelings, until it’s facts exposing Israeli war crimes 😭

[@Cassian457]

​@@vontae1339lmao

[@dieauferstehung]

its funny how she admits universities are left leaning, she goes to college and becomes left leaning HAHAH coincedence ;))))

[@IXSigmaXI]

Its depressing that so few people will ever reach the level of self awareness and maturity that you've achieved at such a young age. (not to mention fashion sense) Thanks for sharing your story -- I hope a lot of people can learn from it!

[@ouzei]

I think this is a great comment!

[@kaibabun]

hmmm yes 8:56

[@d4davidg302]

This is the type of awareness and maturity I try to strive for

[@okumay]

@@kaibabun she's admitting her past mistakes there...im not saying that she's a self-aware saint but this is a bad example to disprove that

[@matiasalejandromab]

Majority of people reach these self awareness levels, but are not brave enough to admit that they were the same person they would call names on. And i include myself in this group.

[@madison5116]

I never thought a video like this would be on KZbin. After my own phase, I felt super embarrassed about it and tried to act as if it had never happened. So seeing a video like yours really helps myself and hopefully many to feel ok about changing perspectives and thinking on your own without these popular figures doing it for you. So thank you again for this video!!

[@zerohours.]

You need critical reading and listening skills if you are falling for people's diatribe.

[@dogchaser520]

God forbid we think for ourselves. BTW, Peterson still has a lot of good things to say that are not political. t. a leftist (not a centrist liberal)

[@dogchaser520]

@@joaovmlsilva3509 He's right more often than that, though. In reality, most humans probably agree on at least 50% of things, which we ordinarily take for granted. Peterson is a good traditional-style lecturer when he stays in his field and doesn't get political. I'm a professor myself and know the difference between a strong and weak lecturer. He could certainly improve by engaging with his students more rather than talking at them, but he's very good at keeping what he says relevant, so that traditional style works fine for him. (It doesn't work well for most people, and is generally the lowest and most basic form of teaching.) The problem is when he wades into subjects about which he knows next to nothing: politics and economics, especially. That's not surprising. He just hasn't done much work there other than taken what he's learned from his field and tried to apply it. The reason he was "destroyed" by Žižek in their debate is because he lacks the fundamental understanding of the specifics of the discipline required in order to have intelligent discourse. It was as if he'd been asked to have a debate in Chinese: he just doesn't speak Chinese.

[@dogchaser520]

@@joaovmlsilva3509 He's a bit of a huckster, and rationalizes some of his behavior by saying he's pro-capitalist and there's nothing wrong with making a couple of bucks. He struck on a kind of formula that works and has made him rich, but I think he realized there are some things he's done and conclusions he's made that are fundamentally wrong, and that's caused him a kind of cognitive dissonance. The life-threatening addiction to benzos fits. When he's firmly grounded in the realm of psychology and isn't making it political or turning to polemics, I still think he's a good lecturer, and has some interesting insights. It's at least gotten a group of young people to be interested in intellectual pursuits who might otherwise just stop at the smug self-satisfaction of Ben Shapiro and then go play Fortnite. (And Peterson is leagues above Shapiro.) He gets more credit than he's due, though: both for how wonderful he is from the alt-right kids, and how demonic and abhorrent he is to mostly centrist liberals. The post-modern neo-Marxist tag is a good example of when he's way out of his depth. He's just rolling concepts together to talk about something he dislikes. He's trying to sound smart. If he were being honest, he'd just say "wokeness" or "cancel culture" or "political correctness gone mad". It is a pretty amusing appellation, though, considering how many Marxists detest postmodernism, and how few of the people he's trying to talk about have any association with Marx beyond maybe skimming the Communist Manifesto and realizing there's something "not so good" about capitalism. What he's railing against has nothing to do with Marx or socialism more generally.

[@Kuffyeyo-HonestWeirdo]

I passed through it too. Been feeling very embarrassed about it but I understand I needed it and I’ve grown because of it

[@muffinfleet3147]

Bouncing back and forth between extremes until you reach a happy medium is hard, but important for personal development.

[@tieman3790]

But that medium is more left than liberalism. If youd really know about all ideologies, youd get yourself stuck in the middle somewhere at a social democracy. Maybe Democratic socialism

[@musicdiary5768]

@@tieman3790 That’s what happened with me. From Conservative to Centrist to Democratic to Democratic Socialism.

[@funnyspoon5120]

@@musicdiary5768 I went far right, medium right, to center right, to liberitiran / social democracy / center right mix.

[@tieman3790]

@@funnyspoon5120 isnt libertarian and social democracy literally the opposite;)

[@tieman3790]

@Work In Progress so my guess is that makes you a social democrat. And i dont really see how public property takes away from the individual. Its the opposite, it creates more economic freedom

[@RK0978]

I love how a good part of Gen Z is just in this constant state of learning and self-reflection, moreso so motivated to share this learning and reflection with the greater world. These are the little things that change the world.

[@mojewjewjew4420]

lmao most of gen z arent like that at all.

[@nicolafiorillo4048]

we need more intergenerational dialogue, I feel like Gen Z is wary of older people

[@Dirshaun]

"I was very sensitive to anyone who didn't think the way I did." That's the issue right there in a nut shell.

[@derekb2314]

Is it sensitivity, or is an invitation to challenge? i can't speak for others, but i won't follow an ideology that has no followers who can make their case, yet claim to be doing what is best for everyone when they cannot convince me how it will benefit me.

[@frankvonfrauner]

@@derekb2314 it's becoming more and more common (and primarily from the left) for people to feel their superior morality and intelligence gives them the right to lie and mislead the masses because they want to protect them from the "bad side" But when people find out that you're lying to them, they tend to push back pretty far the other direction.

[@APsGTG]

@@frankvonfrauner yep. Which is why so many people are flocking to Jordan Peterson. It’s always better to give people the details and let them come their own conclusions rather than try to coerce them into one way of thinking, because when they find out you tried to coerce them then they will pull away forever.

[@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395]

@frankvonfrauner Don’t you realize that republicans and conservatives do the EXACT same thing though? It’s all about perspective, you can’t cherry pick when to call it out when there’s just as many liars and hypocrites on the other side

[@Dirshaun]

@@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395 what's even more interesting is that I never stated my political position.

[@linkgrinmbn]

As a very leftleaning-guy this was very interesting. I think the biggest flaw on the left side currently is narrow-mindedness as you said. Never allowing yourselves or other people to ask difficult questions makes it easier for malicious people to make those questions but with bad answers. I loved hearing your thoughts, as it is important to know about the dangers of rabbit holes.

[@JB-mh5xy]

I'm probably more left-leaning than you (full left socialist), and, yes, the problem, no matter the side of the aisle you're on, is this weird "my team vs your team" dynamic present in modern politics causing narrow-mindedness. As a socialist, I identify more with working class Appalachians who vote Republican than I do a prog lib white woman who lived in suburban mcmansions her whole life. Meanwhile, I just sit over here like "You two bozos do realize the political spectrum isn't binary, and you won't even listen to anyone outside of the accepted, center-right norm, right?" Prog libs are fine with the way things are so long as no one hates black people and gay people. They're fine with human suffering so long as it isn't based on skin color, ethnicity, or gender.

[@baptizednblood6813]

What questions?

[@eyjayy]

i think we (the left) dont have enough discretion between when is a good time to interrupt/yell/attack vs when to calmly respond and educate or just have a conversation. there is a time for each!

[@fearnomoshpit]

This is by design. Leftism is the denial of reality as a means to wish fulfillment. If sunlight is the best disinfectant, then sunlight must be kept out at all costs if one wishes to preserve the culture, nevermind that the culture is one of deadly bacteria being cultivated for use in bacteriological warfare. One can't be God if one acknowledges an entity higher than oneself, so deny the truth (because God is Truth) until the very moment God strikes you dead, and then continue denying God in hell (all Leftists are gnostics).

[@amyh9512]

Trans rights are often brought up as an example of the left feeling like walking on eggshells when we are simply "asking questions," but truth be known,despite what Bill Maher claims. it is a myth spun by the right that if you simply ask "questions," you will get canceled. Why is it a myth? I give Lia thomas as an example. Lia rightfully should not have competed. Nobody on the left including MOST TRANSWOMEN gave any support to Lia. When FINA finally ended that embarrassing escapade by only allowing transgirls who never saw male puberty, compete, Nobody on the left, including the major trans influencers complained. Perhaps a few wackos like Veronica Ivy, who are guilty of taking trophies from women, did, but that was it.

[@EspritsFantomes]

As a non American, I find it interesting how it seems people cannot be in the middle there. It’s either you‘re into Ben Shapiro or you’re a SJW. It’s not possible to agree with everything a party says. It’s just not

[@yddet4369]

The problem is our two party state only representing two views, effectively bolstering tribalism and an "us vs them" mentality. Many other factors also play into this as well, but this is the source.

[@beregarcia8655]

I don't think its just in America its just who is most outspoken or popularwho can sway what and how much you are willingly to learn more. Also I think she is canadian. It just come down on education and how they may just show one side. I do agree with you nothing is ever black and white and we should always try to strive to grow and learn :)

[@odst2247]

That’s ironic, because most Americans are moderates. The reason many believe other wise is that the media is more likely to report on extremist individuals. Seriosuly

[@sinad8906]

I think there a a lot of people like that but they don't voice it. The extremes are always the most vocal.

[@PoHazard]

its just easy for most normies to pick one camp or another because our political system endorses only 2 parties. if you're in a niche, you kind of have to work without saying that you believe in a niche ideology and try to get people in the mainstream to help you with your goals by means other than political election. this is both hard work and also sucks for the visibility of groups outside of the 2 parties. some movements outside of the democrat and republican parties go for high visibility, but being visible isn't always a benefit so long as there's governmental bodies that'll assassinate your leaders, have your whole movement slandered in the media, and then have your group be legally considered a terrorist organization if you start effecting noticeable change. woe. i know that part of your point is more that there is no group that can properly represent the full range of beliefs of the individuals that comprise it, and all i can say to that is.......... yeah. the world would be a uniquely different place if any one unique person were the king of it all. but to make any kind of difference in the world, you either have to join a group or start doing personal actions to directly change your immediate area. or both. and joining a group often means that there is someone to direct your personal actions so that the combined force of multiple peoples' actions amounts to more than the sum of its parts. which is pretty appealing.

[@keylime6]

I was a liberal most of my life. Then I fell into the conservative rabbit hole. Now, I understand both sides behave the same. They portray each other as extremists, while in reality most of their supporters are normal people. It's textbook polarization

[@popo0129]

Yeah when you really look at both their communities and I mean the ones who spend time going to these rallies or maybe a show, it honestly just looks depressing. With Jordan Peterson there is a lot I agree with in terms of say Psychology but with other subjects it depends. It was funny to me for instance how curious him and his daughter were about an author's experience with 50 Cent. Guy is basically just good at presenting a character that represents a lifestyle he lived but I swear it comes off as them being surprised when they hear that he actually is just a very kind person. I feel it is the same for politics. Both sides have their good points but to just side with one and stick to it hard then try to shit on the other makes no sense and I would say is dangerous.

[@keylime6]

@@popo0129 well said

[@SalvadorButtersworth]

So true. One side chemically castrates children, aborts 1 million babies per year, wants wars all over the world, legalizes crapping on the sidewalk, encourages riots and burning cities, and does everything to increase suffering and poverty. The other side are meanies because they won't agree.

[@SarcasticSyringe]

I stopped labeling myself when it comes to my views on things because I just see it as putting myself in a box. The world is too complicated and different issues are too deep to be black and white or pick a side on. I would say I generally have left leaving views but even that doesn't really correctly describe my views on things. I like to think that an intelligent person (such as yourself) constantly questions their own beliefs and who is feeding them these ideas, constantly trying to improve themselves.

[@Swansen03]

look up a "political compass" (also because it just feels right, look up Moran Cerf)

[@SarcasticSyringe]

@@Swansen03 I’ve done the political compass test quite a few times and always ended up somewhere in the bottom left quadrant however I’ve never heard of Moran Cerf but I will definitely look into that. Thanks!

[@echoptic775]

Smart. Life is not about politics

[@kumjumba1377]

@@echoptic775 kinda is. Especially if you are a minority of some sort.

[@longangrysausage3495]

I completely agree with u

[@davesvoid7279]

It's so interesting how masses of people went through the same phase at the same time. It seems like the failure of the school system, the rise of social media, and other factors all converged into one big wave that seems to have reached the shore in this comment section... Almost everything you said explained what I experienced and I feel more free now, like i can let go of this conservatism label I put on myself

[@unluckycloverfield4316]

It's true we really need more political education . Instead we get political branding. Actually we probably should all take marketing and media literacy classes too

[@kavky]

@@unluckycloverfield4316 Political education sounds just like old school indoctrination.

[@simeondobrev5835]

Bien dit bro

[@davesvoid7279]

@@simeondobrev5835 hey bro what d'où tu vois mon commentaire hahahaha

[@shroomer8294]

We should all inform ourselves on the dangers of stochastic terrorism. It always starts with some edgy jokes and before long they’ve become edgy “jokes.”

[@l.franciscobattista2559]

This video perfectly describes the '13-year-old discovers politics' meme, and in a good way.

[@nathanboyles6222]

its the whole channel. shes a mental midget, uses very weak arguments and vast majority of examples that apply to all of humanity.

[@baptizednblood6813]

No in a bad way. I can’t wait for society to make right wingers afraid again

[@dddaaa6965]

You were wrong back then, but there is no way you are wrong now right?

[@ChristopherColumbusesFeet]

​@@dddaaa6965 what does that even mean

[@dddaaa6965]

@@ChristopherColumbusesFeet IF YOU ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO FALL FOR THIS THE FIRST TIME, HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU DIDN'T JUST FALL FOR IT AGAIN

[@syrukean]

I love that you were able to trace things that influenced your line of thinking. I love that you emphasized that being bullied for thoughts/views can definitely motivate you to lean even harder towards that belief. It's very cool you were so transparent here and if you have recommendations for content creators that are focused on sparking a conversation rather then trying to tell you want to think, please send them my way!

[@HolyMith]

They de-radicalized you, and so they did their job well. even if you eventually came to disagree with much of what they were saying, they taught you to at least listen to opposing viewpoints, and ask yourself honestly if they have any merit. This is the first and most important step to debate and discussion. And these things are what lead to a fair society!

[@JoeARedHawk275]

@The Lost Peterson is very intelligent, and that’s where the trap lies. His answers are very intelligent-sounding. However, they are not always coherent. Unfortunately most people aren’t equipped with the critical thinking skills nor education and knowledge to break down his often false and roundabout arguments. When I was in high school, coincidentally when I was at my “edgy” phase and still did not have any meaningful knowledge of politics, I was a conservative. However, I would say that I got lucky due to the pandemic; it gave me some time to re-evaluate what I was listening to. I am in a situation similar to the girl in this video, although my views have much influence from Marxism now. I agree with her that being “left” or “right” is reductive and limits the exploration and discoveries that could otherwise be had.

[@84C4]

@@JoeARedHawk275 It's such a shame that the unwashed masses aren't as enlightened as you, oh great one. I apologize for this idiotic world which burdens you so, but I do hope and pray that a day will come when you may make us all equal under your great leadership.

[@PvtMalarkey]

@@JoeARedHawk275 lol

[@ericjf5343]

@@JoeARedHawk275 May I ask why do now lean towards Marxism?

[@padraicburns9278]

@@JoeARedHawk275 I’m curious what your response to the economic calculation problem of socialism theorized by Ludwig Von Mises is

[@Devdoog]

Philosophy should be a required course in High School and/or College. The value of critical thinking and open minded thought cannot be overstated. The lack of simple critical thinking and logical reasoning is so lacking in modern discourse that it is truly stomach churning.

[@miguelpadeiro762]

Here in Portugal you have 2 years of philosophy and an extra optional year, and boy, seeing how people behave online, it should be a mandatory class worldwide. It works on logic, critical thought, ageless questions such as the value of art, our will, and educates you on the process of making your argument constructive and comprehensive, yknow, so when you have to express an opinion you don't make yourself a fool and employ several logical fallacies that people online eat for breakfast. If everyone had at least 2 years of philosophy class, you'd see the numbers of conspiracy nuts decrease

[@Muscaplays]

@@Gabriela-ps8bw Yeah that's the problem with school in general. They don't teach concepts, but rather facts.

[@JoseGonzalez-kr8gg]

Do you think Marxism should be a class as well

[@miguelpadeiro762]

@@JoseGonzalez-kr8gg Marxism can be discussed in philosophy class, where the subject can be analysed and debated, yknow, how education on these subjects should go, not "x is bad, y is good. It is known".

[@JoseGonzalez-kr8gg]

@@miguelpadeiro762 marxism isnt philosophy. It's an entire system of analysis that warrants a class of its own. Political economy isnt taught well enough to kids before they can vote

[@mh-ih6lk]

we need to bring back critical thinking skills because i promise you that you can understand peoples belief and viewpoints by just TALKING to them instead of switching to extremes as soon as someone asks you a hard question. we do not need shaking morals in the society think for yourself and figure out the nuisances PLS 😭

[@Flatcetera]

Joardan Peterson and Ben Shapiro sure are nuisances

[@phlasaban]

literally

[@archesworn377]

Yes critical thinking skills are only held by people who agree with me. I'm with you on this.

[@alexandrou13]

critical thinking is really the most important thing they ask from you in high school in france

[@alexandrou13]

it's true, once there is disagreement, people tend to the extremes to make the confrontation even more sustained, this is why the left has responsibility in the rise of alt right

[@Mogalog]

2 years ago my liberal friend sent me this video and at the time I was entering a conservative phase and refused to watch it. Here I am 2 years later trying to come out of being a conservation and your thoughts are very eye-opening and intriguing. I too at the time though I knew the truth and I was really open-minded when I was actually very closed minded. I'm on a path now to be more general with my thinking and not immediately believe everything I hear from politicians or political speakers. it's just like you put things, every politician has an agenda.

[@Siegfried5846]

If you truly are open minded, then check out Jared Taylor

[@babyamyxo-o6c]

@@Siegfried5846 He's just what I needed!

[@Siegfried5846]

@@babyamyxo-o6c That is good to hear.

[@Petit.lion06]

I'm very proud of you, congratulations :)

[@toritrevino9522]

Tbh it was very obnoxious of them to send that to you

[@micheller3251]

seeing both sides from the inside and then taking a step back allows us to realize that the world is way more complex than left and right politics

[@mikegriego3671]

Both sides have their crazy extremists. But from what I've seen, those on the far left are the true Cultists. Whatever their master says, they agree with. On the flip side, I see Trump supporters who actually disagree with some things that Trump says.

[@micheller3251]

@@mikegriego3671 hmmm it seems to imply that no trump supporter blindly follows him, which isn't true. I've met a few people who directly contradict this. Always be carefull to measure apples with apples. Blindly following someone is a matter of will and habit, you can see all sorts of people do this. They could be students, workers, soldiers, religious folks, cultists, people in pyramid schemes, etc. I don't think it has any link to political allegence. Unless I misunderstood your point in which case, can you clarify what you are refering to? Because some sub groups are indeed more likely to encourage blind following, but it's usually specifically in the identity politics movement which, if taken the wrong way, encourages covert narcissism since they twist it in a way that you can't question someone by virtue of them simply existing. This kind of mentality is also present in many religious groups, in most groups where someone higher in the hierarchy cannot be questionned (work places, families, army, some toxic clics, etc.). I've seen it in some right wing groups but more overtly in the form of bullying, degrading someone if they start to take "the enemy's side", implying they lack strenght and intelligence untill the person feels forced to bend knees and stop questionning or to leave the group entirely, but there are also tactics to covince the person that they will be lost if they leave, so they feel trapped.

[@micheller3251]

@@mikegriego3671 also you seem to have missed the point of my comment (but I might me the one who's unclear). Just pointing at "the left" or "the right" is pointless. Point at specific politics, specific ideas. That's the only way to avoid untrue and unjust generalizations about both sides. The right isn't just trump supporters, and the left isn't just identity politics and "wokes".

[@mikegriego3671]

@@micheller3251 When did I say all?

[@micheller3251]

@@mikegriego3671 sorry, reading back I realize I misread the sentence. I apologize.

[@tatsuyasuou3368]

I had a Ben Shapiro phase, and looking back, I realize what made me like him: his attempt at the appearance of intellectualism. The look and feel of being smart and morally superior. Even when he said incredibly rude and unkind things. The allure of feeling smart has always tempted me as a person. I was always praised for my intelligence or my maturity, and in order to appeal to my parents (far right) and to cover my insecurities, I doubled down on that. But now I see how immature and hateful I was. Now I see how immature and hateful everything was. I’ve grown. I don’t see things in the black and white way I used to. And I’m a better person for it.

[@Overmillion]

Idk I kind of get the idea Shapiro would be glad that you were able to learn to think for yourself whilst taking in his and others' information from either aisle. As a long time fan, HE is still the one who caused me to not listen to him and find disagreements. He's confident, still pretty damn smart... but I think it's up to us to not follow celebrities, politions, influencers, etc without question. Shapiro has never stopped saying that.

[@j.ronnygibson]

My life was very similar to this

[@ThomasFoolery8]

Where do you stand now? For anyone who has gone through the political journey, I can’t imagine them drifting back left after experiencing Shapiro. I think the next step is just a right leaning centrist that understands that Shapiro isn’t always right but he has to push right wing policies.

[@tatsuyasuou3368]

@@ThomasFoolery8 Uh centrist I guess. I don’t particularly like the labels of right or left; it’s more an individual issue thing.

[@reddd-77]

@@ThomasFoolery8 you can't imagine anyone drifting back left after experiencing Shapiro? Why not?. I did, alot of people have.

[@jasmineturner3528]

People need to understand that freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from backlash/consequences. It means the GOVERNMENT can’t limit it, arrest you for speech.

[@tiffanywyatt5137]

you can tell the truth about something and get backlash. Doesn't make the backlash right. Y'all are saying "well you can tell the truth about something but it's okay if you suffer consequences for it". If that's the society we live in than I want it all to collapse.

[@serpentsuperior7473]

Well said

[@tiffanywyatt5137]

@@ricardobotello2087 facts like Obama bombing 7 different nations and winning a peace prize is something like I'm talking about. Obama is the only peace prize winner to bomb another peace prize winner

[@moistoyst3187]

@@tiffanywyatt5137 Alright let's go overthrow the government come on

[@kurodo9926]

@@tiffanywyatt5137 agreed, this quote sounds cool on a surface level. But completely shatters when you look deeper

[@GuardianSpirits13]

I really appreciate this video, and it was very eye-opening to hear that a large part of how this journey started was the sort of social rejection from people online. I had a very similar incident happen recently myself where I tweeted something that I did not think through, and initially people were very gracious and some even messaged me privately and encouraged me to reevaluate my internal biases...until a screenshot was sent around and I was essentially booted from what I thought was an open-minded community. I came away feeling very defensive and bitter, and it took me quite a while to calm down and realize that the personal attacks aren't *really* personal, they're just reactive. The types of people who send hate and spread rumors are not the sort of people I'd like to associate with anyways, even if it is moderately justified.

[@kylewhite5695]

I just started college and I made a friend who is very conservative, she’s also one of the kindest people I know. Your bit about being more tolerant of people who disagree with us almost made me cry. I’m glad I met her.

[@ArgzeroYT]

I had a similar relationship. We are all stronger together.

[@im_not_political2026]

I’m in a similar situation but the roles reversed. I have a roommate I’ve lived with for 2-3 years who’s much less conservatives and less religious than I am. That said he’s one of the nicest people I know and we get along really well irrespective of our differences, which I’m really grateful for.

[@hisookey136]

I hate people like you some of you friend can have hurtful and dangerous take about others but because they kind 🥺 you forgive everything

[@isaacdoherty1739]

@Les Toussaint this one of the best comments I ever read keep in touch w these ppl for a long time the only way the world can really move in a positive direction is for ppl who disagree to have respectful discussion

[@ironmaiden93ofangmar]

@@hisookey136 you probably have a lot of bad, damaging and hurtful takes as well and you don't realize it. Or not. My point is people can be wrong. Maybe that conservative friend of hers is wrong on certain things. It is what it is. What matters is how good of a person can that friend be. Same with you.

[@Ai-yahUdingus]

I really hate when people use stats in arguments because numbers and studies taken out of context can be easily misunderstood

[@StimPakTskAwwYea]

I agree 100%. The reality is though, alot of people who throw stats in will find a hand full of statistics that support their claims and use it on repeat. If you notice when people such as Ben Shapiro debate, he's literally repeating verbatim the same % and studies that he has on a 10 index file cabinet in the back of his head. Real statistics/probability used for science and actual ground breaking theories require more than 10 studies on a subject matter. They require 100's. But in a debate no one will really fact check you for more than 2-3 sources you bring up that support your claim. It really is one of the biggest fallacies to think just because you know a few statistics from a few studies that you are educated to speak on a subject matter. I've work with physicists who have spent their lives researching a single subject matter and still cannot say conclusively whether something is left or right. We should be approaching all theories/beliefs/studies with the same level of prejudice and uncertainty.

[@ShieldSniper]

I really hate when people don't use stats in arguments because numbers and studies can be easily understood.

[@giraffestatus2074]

@@StimPakTskAwwYea what is your best advice for someone looking to find “the truth” and see through all of the cherry-picking? I anticipate you saying to do my own research, but I find that even research is difficult to decipher.

[@ilawinterburn2111]

Yes! I always want to know what study someone got their statistics because there can be so many different stats and studies on one issue. I think the best thing about more academic sources is that all of the sources a person has used need to be referenced so you can check them out yourself later

[@nope8083]

@@giraffestatus2074 it definitely is difficult! if you’re talking to someone, press them for sources, and then looking into those sources (you can look up something like “[study] criticism”. if you just see it floating somewhere throughout the internet, you can look up the stat/source and the key is: why and how? that’s only a start but it’s a good one imo!

[@lookidocalel286]

As someone who went from uniformed SJW to “edgy anti-SJW centrist” to “informed leftist”, I can really relate. It’s really painful to watch people go from left-leaning to right-leaning because they don’t like a subset of SJW’s.

[@russ7625]

The sad thing is, anyone who isn’t on the left just sees sjws🤷🏻‍♀️ we need the logical and caring left that we’ve had in the past

[@aaronpearson1744]

Be careful not to offer up the "SJWs" as a sacrifice. If somebody is willing to rally, protest and fight for minorities, they're doing the right thing. Don't turn your anger towards them, keep it focused on the people who oppress from a place of power.

[@kkon5ti]

Same

[@NAZGULLAK]

Leftoid spotted

[@debtfree.degrees]

@@russ7625 Not necessarily true. A lot of people would claim I am a conservative (I am really very center and a bit libertarian). I certainly don't think all left-leaning people are SJW. It just seems to be exacerbated at younger ages when teens don't have too many real life experiences but have the time to protest. Unfortunately, the majority of social media is young people so the media appears to be made up of SJWs.

[@thisiswhatilike54]

I went through that “Facts don’t care about your feelings” and I probably still am, but I’ve since come to the realization that the opposite is also true, strong feelings don’t care about the facts, either. It definitely pays to be emotionally aware and keep your emotions on a leash, lest you say or do something detrimental to yours or others’ safety and happiness. Feelings are fleeting, but there are some times when you have to realize that there’s no getting through to some people. Nevertheless, honesty and adherence to reality will always win out in the end. EDIT: Forgot to mention that this the first video of yours I’ve seen, and I thank you for posting it!

[@ronantheronin3521]

I had a hardcore right wing phase, and I still tend to lean towards the right on certain policies, but it doesn't change the fact that I will always stand against authoritarian rule, whether it is with left or right wing policies, as I believe censorship and tyranny to be a crime against humanity.

[@alr12]

You are right , Trudeau must go down.

[@rubyd8690]

This right here sums me up 🙌

[@lcb9807]

Thats a great start, because in reality, the ones that are pulling the strings are the rich. They will use left or right (Bill Clinton, George Bush, both under the globalist authoritarian) to push the one world government.

[@ghostprxphet]

Same. I don't really care about left right too much but I am almost radical libertarian at this point. The last two years really radicalized me.

[@needparalegal]

I am not conservative, I just hate liars, so I align with conservatives/cuckservatives.

[@ussglowcloud6988]

good video but please don't conflate liberalism and leftism. Also, our school curriculum in the US is definitely not leftwing, and oftentimes not even liberal, lol

[@artemismeow]

Yea, I was thought that the southern states went to war because of state's rights. XD also my school where I learned this was Robert E Lee elementary. Neo liberal maybe but certainly not left leaning

[@ulisesmora1282]

facts,,, i would say american liberalism or "leftist" is rooted in neo-liberalism thoughts and in turn a lot more right than people think.

[@ussglowcloud6988]

@@ulisesmora1282 agreed

[@elmjojokes7782]

Don't know about that chief, modern school system is absolutely trash and more and more schools seem to push leftist views

[@eypu999]

@@elmjojokes7782 it is trash cuz it’s not meant to tech people, it’s underfunded and the teachers are underpaid. But like what? Have they been teaching you socialism, communism, anarchy or even the concept of the redistribution of wealth or the means of production behind my back?? Most likely no, they probably told you racism is bad and respect trans ppl.

[@butterflymage5623]

As a black person its always funny to me when I introduce the idea to my non black friends that a lot of black people are really conservative when you sit down with them and talk about things. They may vote democrat but it’s usually because of taxes.

[@SLYKM]

This is certainly something I observed as well. The problem comes when people assume that "listen to minorities" means that minorities are always right, or even worse, that minorities can't be bigoted.

[@lonnordyll6837]

@@SLYKM And many are also guilty of homogenizing minorities. For example from what I heard most US latinos (I hope it is a propper term, I'm not native) are very coservative. Many of them don't even see themselves as a minority.

[@lanxy2398]

As a black person too that hasn’t ever been my experience, maybe it’s a geographical difference but non of my friends really hold conservative values

[@SLYKM]

@@lanxy2398 I think you're right. I live in a red state and most people here are socially conservative to point where I am more likely to see a white leftist than a black leftist but also I have only met one black person who would vote Republican, but otherwise I encounter people who would agree with Dave Chappelle when it comes to social issues. Which is still not Republican but also I wouldn't say lacking some conservative values. Prolly true for most people in my area not just black people, whereas white people are 50/50 dem or repub voters.

[@lodzat]

What? this objectively wrong and oversimplified a long history of why people vote

[@adeyemi120]

I grew up in a conservative Christian home and really believed in most of the conservative talking point until college… my views became very liberal because college led me to ask something I didn’t think of doing growing up: asking why. Now I do it until I get to the point where I can’t anymore. I also do this in order to make sure that my view comports with reality.

[@Siegfried5846]

Look up Jared Taylor, and see how his arguments hold up with your critical thinking.

[@theholypopechodeii4367]

​@@Siegfried5846I did, and they don't really hold up at all.

[@Siegfried5846]

@@theholypopechodeii4367 That seems unlikely. His reasoning is flawless.

[@blitzkriegedvanhauten5261]

Jared is based​@@Siegfried5846

[@SalvadorButtersworth]

Why are white men 20 times more likely to go to prison compared to black women? Why? According to intersectionality, it's clear proof that our society is designed to oppress white men for the benefit of black women.

[@jazminaguilar3468]

I love to see other young people like me encourage independent thought, safe spaces for discussion, and removing yourself from the radicalized sides of politics! We can NEVER create a more beautiful and peaceful future if we are not allowed to disagree or change our minds, regardless of whatever ideals we hold!

[@tropicalvirus1897]

im with you! the worst of all is that these same people put barriers on everything, the dehumanize people and their ideas using dumb words and are alwais into echo chambers...definitively its not something that would end soon but its definitively worth the try.

[@_justbreathe_6560]

Agree. My family and I argue about politics all the time, sometimes we really fight, but afterwards when the conversation is over it is all ok again. But there is also and end to being openminded for me personally, like if someone is racist, sexist, homo- and transphobic. Obviously there is a difference between being uneducated or just having certain stereotypes still engrained in your mind, then I would try to continue the conversation, but if someone is past all reasoning I am not going to further burden myself with that discussion.

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

you say "sides" but where are these leftists people keep claiming are against any of that? oh unless you're counting bigotry and climate denial as "disagreements." which they are not, opinions need to be subjective and objectively wrong.

[@kfcchicken1610]

Honestly talking about politics scares me, but it is something I am so deeply passionate about. Whenever I disagree with something I wont say anything. Partially because I am worried they would get mad and partially because I am autistic and end up confusing people. They call me slurs and tell me to go on the short bus, when clearly I am not incompetent. Even if I was why is it okay to disrespect me?

[@timothychen754]

TOTALLY agree! I'm so glad I found this channel. If you have any other channel recommendations I'd be very interested!

[@lb598]

This made me feel less alone. For quite some time I thought that the leftists are the good ones and conservatives are the bad ones but not anymore. Also, I've never been able to put myself into the box of 'left' or 'right' anyway because the things I believe in fall in both of those. It's good to know that I don't owe anyone to put a label on myself and I can just believe what I believe.

[@MrDakadaka]

After reading conservative comments across KZbin I wouldn't call conservatives bad guys but they are not nice people and some of them need to be humbled and brought down a few pegs.

[@lb598]

@@MrDakadaka I understand where you're coming from.

[@cherryred11]

@@MrDakadaka A lot of conservative are unpleasant people but there are some kind ones out there :)

[@professormutant3252]

@@cherryred11 just like everyone, really. some nice, some nasty, and just some meh. The nasty people just tend to get more attention unfortunately.

[@professormutant3252]

I 100% agree. that's pretty much my experience with this stuff.

[@cqrson8079]

People always look at me like I’m crazy when I said I had one of those phases. That phase is why I am where I am politically and why I’m so progressive and accepting at this point.

[@firytwig]

Absolutely, it’s the same reason I even have this pfp. It’s so easy to get stuck in your own bubble and ignore the blatantly hateful homophobic people. I used to think there was an over representation of LGBTQ+ people when now I realize it was just any representation. The instant I switched to this pfp it opened my eyes to just how many people will go out of their way to attack you for supporting a community.

[@cqrson8079]

@@firytwig ong

[@maxkho00]

@@firytwig Okay, so now here is the question: are you actually just an LBGTQ+ supporter, like a lot of people are, or are you also part of the dogmatic left that Olivia so eloquently characterised in the video? Do you believe that gender as a meaningful concept is distinct from any of: sexuality, sex, and the femininity-masculinity spectrum? If so, could you please explain what it entails? I'm very willing to listen, but as far as I currently understand, the three concepts that I describe, by their very definitions, comprehensively encompass all of human biology and psychology except arbitrary self-identification.

[@mercury3352]

@@maxkho00 arbitrary self-identification falls under sociology, while not necessarily biological, it is a side effect of being a pack species. Gender identity can be seen as similar to wanting a different hair color. One may be biologically blonde, but can change their hair color to brown, and we know through the study of sociology that different hair colors may make others treat you differently. A similar thing happens with gender, you may be born female, but wish to be perceived and interacted with as male. The difference being: there are substantially more implications to being seen as a gender than with hair color.

[@maxkho00]

@@mercury3352 Okay, sure, but then where is the logical consistency in referring to somebody by their self-identification rather than by what they are in reality? Using the example that you give for hair colour, obviously, when somebody wants a different hair colour, we don't refer to them as having the colour of hair that they want - we refer to them as having the colour of hair that they actually have. Even more relevantly, there are people out there that genuinely identify as different animals. Of course, they are totally free to identify that way, and I won't judge them for it, but we don't treat these people as the animals that they identify as, right? We treat them as humans. So why did we make an exception for gender and only gender? Why does one's self-identification have a name in case of sex, but not in case of species (which is rare but far from nonexistent) or other traits? And even if we did decide to make an exception for sex for some reason, why should self-identification - which doesn't represent any part of reality - take precedence over reality? I understand that some people may find it demoralising or upsetting if I don't engage in their (I genuinely don't mean this with disrespect) fantasy (although I wonder how much of this is a consequence of social conditioning - apart from those suffering from gender dysphoria, how common were transgender people 50 years ago?) and I actually find that to be a good argument for why, in social situations, we should make an effort to play along if it isn't difficult for us. But why should we keep playing along in formal situations, where reality has significant consequences?

[@maifarouk4639]

hi olivia, i've been watching your videos for a week now! i love how deliberate, clear and genuine everything you say is. your content is so well-researched and filled with genuine and heartfelt reflection, that it's such a breath of air on youtube which is all about entertainment and drama. i learn so much from you and your videos! really makes me think. i hope you keep making them 💖

[@mariahsjourney356]

Yes, this video resonates with me so much, I thought I was alone! Ive gone back and forth many times on the political spectrum and, as a black woman, I feel this weird moral obligation to heavily lean left while agreeing with points from both sides. I realized that once you step away from social media, and just TALK to people normally, most humans have mutual views and can get along regardless of political opinions. I wish more people could understand the facade of extreme one-sidedness. All it does is divide. Youve earned a new subscriber 😊

[@katy9291]

Very well said

[@hopedavis7920]

@@katy9291 yea well said

[@gen2mediainc.577]

This is THE take

[@raknasemcensura]

Sorry but Americans dont have political spectrum, just a black and withe mentality.

[@Mia_M]

It depends. I used to be able to talk to a lot of my friends about issues prior to the election in 2016, but a lot of them started saying a lot of racist and homophobic things that I couldn't agree with for personal reasons. Our views didn't align at all anymore.

[@abbysc417]

This is really interesting to me. I had a kind of similar phase where I went from extreme feminism (borderline misandry) where I completely neglected myself trying to avoid "beauty standards," towards femininity/trad-fem content, and now I fall somewhere in the middle. I always feel encouraged and hopeful when I see other people developing enough self-awareness to move away from any kind of extremism. Building an inner value system and an identity outside of influencers is very important.

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

The four existential threats to humanity (Automation, AI, nuclear war and climate Change) have only far left solutions

[@gabriellevautour23]

SAME! I had to go to that extreme to come back to the middle and decide how I wanted to present myself

[@sofalso]

"Extreme feminism", or borderline misandry as you put it, has nothing to do with feminism. Feminism is a movement for equality, not supremacy. The word being co-opted to signify the most distorted and contradictory version of the concept shouldn't even be considered as a subgroup or school of thought of feminism. That's what the Sharpiro's and Peterson types do

[@sirrobbieiii1953]

@@sofalso Same thing with "Toxic Masculinity" I had a recent discussion about masculinity and how I think that men (western) were never truly masculine to begin with so therefore saying Toxically masculinity shouldn't be used but rather just toxic men and that our idea of masculinity has been completely messed around with viewing it as behavior patterns, accessories etc. Rather than an inner body identity or essence. Today a man with a moustache, short hair cut that's emotionless is deemed as someone that's masculine. Which I find to be so fucking stupid. Random but I figured it would be interesting to say.

[@seralee883]

thank you for this comment. a lot of friends i had in the past had this phase, you can oppose beauty standards without neglecting yourself still. I hope many women realize this too. Being feminine is good, being masculine is good. I once read some "feminists" that declared that white teeth standard was a way to oppress women and that it was oppressing wanting female to brush their teeth every day? rejecting basic health measures is disgusting and NOT a flex or a feminist thing.

[@jamess2832]

I appreciated this video. The older I get and the more I get involved in political issues, the more judgemental and close-minded I become. It's good to get a reminder that people are more than their opinions and it can be important to talk to people you disagree with (as long as they're respectful)

[@soomi5667]

This right here 👏✨

[@sashamarie9346]

i’m so happy you made this video, i went through something really similar during blm and i’m now restructuring my beliefs. i feel embarrassed and ashamed but it feels really good to know i’m not the only one who had this experience

[@MmeSyl]

As a swiss I personally think it's very sad that the youth especially in other countries apparently doesn't learn how to debate and question studies/articles in school. It makes them very influenceable for quick radical content on platforms like KZbin, Twitter and TikTok. We have to debate and write essays on different articles from known right winged and left winged newspapers. It's literally the main thing in language classes and history class here in Switzerland but only in High School which most kids don't get to visit. I find these phases sad BUT if that's the only way teenagers start to do their own research then I'm glad too. Just wish it would be way less necessary. Because it seems like many young Americans went trough an alt right phase and that shows how the school system failed them. And you can't expect everyone to go to college to start question things. It must be tought at 14 or now a days even earlier like 12. It's also annoying that important words become buzzwords for political ideologies. Debates immediately get shut down.

[@jesusisapisces]

I agree with everything you said!!

[@clifflutz155]

Yeah our education system in the U.S. is a real problem. I'd hesitate to pin the majority of the blame on schools though. The American media landscape is very sensationalistic and often skews to the political extremes because level headed discussion does not draw as much attention. On top of this there are deeply partisan currents that flow through every aspect of our culture. In America your political positions are often inherited from your family and community. It seems almost impossible to have a civil discussion about anything anymore because people live in different descriptive realities depending on their media diets and social circles.

[@jameelakk4149]

That sounds so cool. I like watch people debate and stuff, and I also like to do that. But I'm so afraid because I've never been in such a debate. I'm also so uncomfortable with opposing things even when I have good points. I think should learn to do that. It's really gonna help you throughout your life.

[@user-ff9ps4yb9q]

Schools in America don’t turn kids alt right, quite the opposite.

[@alexanderfraser8096]

If you believe watching Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson makes you alt right then I encourage to please watch their videos. I have never seen anything close to alt right from them, especially Jordan Peterson. Also, American highschool does far more of creating far leftists than alt right.

[@sarahjanecleary1801]

I went through the same thing as you and I felt so strange suddenly relating to conservative ideas more than liberal after relating to liberals for so long but it was happening in my first year of doing a psychotherapy degree and loving Carl Jung's work. I came to realise maybe my psyche was just looking for homeostasis and wholeness after being so one-sided for so long. Its good to always check in with our values and beliefs and be open to change since well we are constantly changing

[@corneliaaurelli1603]

Uh I don't want to burst your bubble if it gave you stability but Carl Jung and psychodynamic psychotherapy is the field of psychology that is the most criticized due to it being the least adherent to empiricism.

[@fluffymcdeath]

I don't think it's the leftness or rightness that attracts people - it's the thinking. Navigating a path through the gray is much harder and more rewarding than cheering from the sidelines.

[@madprole5361]

I'd recommend reading socialist philosophers, political theorists, and psychoanalysts/psychologists. Specifically related to Foucault and Deleuze.

[@ahobimo732]

@@corneliaaurelli1603 This may be factually true, but that doesn't mean that the consensus on Jungian psychology is actually correct.

[@ahobimo732]

@@fluffymcdeath I agree. We need to stop viewing social issues through such a simplistic lens. There are no heroes or villains in the world. There are only individuals, and each and every one of them is unique and motivated by a complex range of beliefs, biases and ideas. The key to social progress is open, honest dialogue. Going on a moral crusades against some imagined "other" is never going to make the world a better place to live for any of us.

[@charlotteb6450]

I think it's healthy to detach yourself and own beliefs from a specific group/movement - it allows you to research/think critically about a topic and come to your own informed conclusion, rather than feeling as though you're unable to question something you don't quite understand or take issue with simply due to group affiliation. Especially since this dissatisfaction can make you vulnerable to persuasion tactics/points that don't hold up under scrutiny, as happened here. As someone who's recently started going through the exact same thing you did (not to the same degree lol but same principle of consuming more right-wing media than I ever have, especially since both my old high school and university are left-leaning) it's comforting knowing I'm not alone in feeling like this. I'll try not to fall into the traps of persuasion tactics as you did, so thanks for the guidance and perspective :)

[@BenjaminTJames]

A very nuanced take on your two major phases, oli. I never went the conservative route myself, but did oscillate between scepticism of issues like identity politics and wholeheartedly embracing them, from what one would call a left-wing perspective. Now, after a lot of learning, I've learnt that there isn't a 'correct' political position one has to take. It's been one of the most important lessons I've learnt to date.

[@myla_chae]

girl i also went through the same thing. I'm happy I let myself be open to new ideas and really build my own perspective.

[@vagosg.9269]

So u dumb left?

[@babyamyxo-o6c]

I'm going through a skeptic phase, but definitely not a conservative one. I can easily call out cons on their BS without needing to bring up lib viewpoints. I noticed their tactics very early, but what I also noticed was that just about everyone who's had this phase has gone back to being an SJW. By the end of the video, she had trauma bonded with her abusive woke cancelers. Do you check if you've fallen back into being woke or are you happy with it? A quick test is to simply compare your comfort level to either side's opinions or how much of either side you consume.

[@FootballJunky-r6h]

​@@babyamyxo-o6cI'm apolitical and atheist. I don't usually watch political debates , but whenever I listen to some political clips , the conservatives seem to be collected and have arguments backed with facts, whereas democrats seem to like to go with emotions. It's just my observation in some of the clips I've seen.

[@DelectableDays]

Then you'll get married, have children, and become more conservative. Or you'll meet a conservative guy and you'll just adopt his polticits like pretty much every woman does when they get a husband. Women tend to just adopt the politics of whatever man they happen to be in a relationship with, they dont really have any strong standing beliefs/ideals, its not evolutionarily advantageous.

[@ReisRBedir]

@@FootballJunky-r6h Did you watch this whole video?

[@Charizardlison]

not being homophobic, caring about the poor, doing smth against climate change, etc. are not part of a „leftist agenda“ in education - it is called common sense!

[@idcchmeh]

stupid no. the problem is when u are making a bigger deal and being dishonest about it

[@divyanshsingh1078]

Lol well said

[@elf3856]

Frfr

[@el7284]

Forcing these things in a socially debilitating way is.

[@gummybear32]

exactly the comments have no critical thinking skills of their own 😭

[@juliatroian4456]

i myself had a conservative phase during school years and i genuinely think it helped me experience both sides and realize how right-leaning politicians manipulate their speech, but also be more critical about liberal groups, constantly question my own leftist beliefs and study theory way deeper than those who’ve never been through that hypocritical phase

[@chrischika7026]

What are your political inclinations right now

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

Why do you say hypocritical? At the moment, I still feel a sense of profound shock when I see how lawless, corrupt, dishonest, and unhinged the Democratic politicians, celebrities, and news personalities have become.

[@mel1723]

@@MrBrachiatingApe theres a lot of lawless and dishonest actions on the right too. you cant really trust politicians in general. thats the issue with the two party system, no one is actually the right one, we just have to jump from red to blue depending on what their policies are. like theres no greater good in american politics, only a greater evil (if you’re lucky)

[@Wackaz]

Liberals aren't leftist.

[@bertkilborne6464]

@@Wackaz - But if someone doesn't support liberals or left you're labeled a Trump Supporter .

[@Arniqua]

I am a MSc Social and Cultural Psychology student and I too had a Jordan Peterson/Ben Shapiro phase. Jordan Peterson being a person from my academic stream also was what drew me to him. But now, I don't lean towards their thoughts anymore. I still occasionally listen to Peterson, I find his analysis using Jungian psychodynamics and archetypes interesting since I've always been drawn to such psychological takes on the occult. I totally relate to you on so many levels and I'm so happy to have found your channel. ❤

[@Sylv01222]

Can I ask what happened or what made you think otherwise of him? Im genuinely curious if anyone on this comment section actually had a very revealing enlightenment or if they are just coping really hard against the "scary" thought of them possibly agreeing or being on the conservative/right wing side because they think they are so evil for some reason.

[@ganjacore]

​@@Sylv01222 I used to be a very active listener, but I realized that he's constantly demonizing his opposition and as a result, slowly shifted away from him. He can't debate a modern leftist, without making vague remarks about horrible dictatorships, which were led by paranoid psychopaths, which are simply not representative for the kind of socialism, that we're having in contemporary Europe or what left-leaning Americans want for example. As a result of his recent stubbornness, I'd actually go as far as calling him closed-minded nowadays and I'm somewhat concerned, that it's linked to his cognitive decay setting in at this point

[@Sylv01222]

@@ganjacore you mean the socialism that is starting to ruin countries like spain, netherlands, sweden etc, where eventually an "extreme right wing fasci" leader has to arise so they can clean up the mess in an ever ending cycle. You mean the leftist ideas that make everyone fly out of blue states into red states, and socialistic/communistic countries into capitalism. Do you really it is just a coincidence that all the ones who have tried socialism have been paranoid psychos? Maybe him bringing that up all the time is him trying to shine a light on this very obvious pattern that yall are completely ignoring

[@gabrielhagedorn5942]

“I wanted to do this video unscripted.” Proceeds to speak in an extremely eloquent and well-thought-out manner, regardless of the lack of a script. 👏

[@williamstevens5599]

You make it sound like a bad thing that she’s not reading from a script. Unscripted doesn’t mean unthoughtful.

[@ThyRetroNerd]

⁠@@williamstevens5599lol, maybe you're just more likely see stuff in a negative light. At least for me, I didn't take their comment as a bad thing. Stay positive~

[@gabrielhagedorn5942]

Yea it was supposed to just be pointing out that I couldn’t really tell that she wasn’t using a script aside from the fact that she said so

[@Kingofthenet2]

That’s what I thought whilst watching this. She has a special talent of articulating very well

[@tylerc1980]

I refuse to label myself politically. If somebody wants to know my opinions they can ask me directly on each issue and not assume my opinions because I'm a "Leftist" or "Conservative." I am a person, talk to me like one.

[@DilettanteThat]

Me too- Honestly complete mood. I think that's why for a long while I just went with centerist if anything.

[@Tokiiplaysguitar]

this 100% this , people disagree or agree before hearing the point bc they see an idealogical tag on what the opinion is lol

[@DilettanteThat]

@@Tokiiplaysguitar ^^

[@ME-gs6yn]

@@DilettanteThat You know being a centrist is a political stance right?

[@DilettanteThat]

@@ME-gs6yn Yep, but NO one uses it and it was the closest to "treat me like me" I could get while stating a political stance. At least that's what I had thought about it at the time. Now I just don't label myself.

[@nikko1942]

What she said about her chinese immigrant parents influence was so relatable. My mom is a Chinese immigrant who is definitely more conservative. Due to what I was being taught in school and just the general push for leftism in my area I believed I was somehow more moral but now I realize that is not the case whatsoever and believing that u are “morally superior” can often lead to being an idealog

[@freyaday6076]

Wow, I’m so glad this popped up in my feed. I listen to people on every side of the political aisle for this very reason. I think the saddest thing is that so many people nowadays lose their ability to have relationships with family members because of different beliefs. We get so caught up in things. We have almost no control over that we forget that the people right in front of us are the most important thing and all we really have in this life.

[@wa0187]

It is always good for the government when people are divided to the point were family can become enemy, because that way you will forget who the true enemy is

[@westvirginiascoolestcanadian]

i feel like having a conservative phase, especially as a teenage girl really helps you understand the appeal of all these reactionary ideas. a lot of the media they put out there speaks to the inherently young adult desire to feel like someone in the world understands you in a world where everyone seems to be against you. the younger you are, the more scary all these changes in society seem to you, and the right really knows how to communicate their ideology to fearful, nihilistic high schoolers.

[@davisholman8149]

What cracks me up is how she (& most SJWs) criticize Shapiro for being funded by entities like the huge oil & gas industries. If you start to study people on ewe toob & other tech platforms - they are being paid by the same sources, it’s just the fact they don’t research who actually owns the companies paying them. So many of these somewhat smaller companies are owned by the so called huge ‘bad’ companies.😜

[@yolliedoll]

im a teenage girl too and it’s so weird how pushed out we seem now in the new age of liberals. im british so a lot of things on the internet which r “cancellable” r completely normal here. for me it’s the greed for being the majority alot of ppl have for example the push for neo pronouns to be completely accepted within what 5-10 years? pushing things too fast won’t make anyone agree and speaking louder does not make u more heard

[@hiyylight]

it's best to first have a liberal phase, then a conservative, and then neutral (what I had)

[@westvirginiascoolestcanadian]

@@hiyylight i don't really think the order matters so much as you realize you were previously wrong in the end.

[@johnisaacfelipe6357]

@@yolliedoll ..... you can literally be imprisoned for a racial joke in the UK.

[@TheBeastBandit]

I had this phase, too. Used to listen to Shapiro every morning on my way to work at a Catholic private school. I’m a better person for it, being more aware of the prejudices on each side that get in the way of real, meaningful discourse. I also know what a great debater or political commentator sounds like (and it’s not Shapiro. He just talks fast and over his opposers. That’s not good commentary or discussion).

[@bobojenkins5805]

Wrong he's prepared and comes back with facts

[@rudytheduck4776]

@@bobojenkins5805 ah yes, which is why he makes arguments entirely from feelings, like fear perhaps?

[@JackDSquat]

Ben Shapiro is a good gateway into the conservative world, but eventually it’s wise to branch out to more nuanced right wing commentators. For me that was HoC

[@neildepressedtyson540]

@@bobojenkins5805 Lmao what

[@stevonwhite8933]

@@bobojenkins5805 You had a life changing weather event that destroyed your home? Just sell your house.-Ben Shapiro

[@Mariaamirasharif]

As a black woman I’ve had the exact same experience. People like us genuinely care about humanity and the truth. I think often black people are disregarded and just used as pawns in a never ending game that we never even know the rules. With that said I think education is so important, facts are so important, and observations are so important and critical thinking. With the rise of the Internet it’s like only certain things can get transmitted through media and the result time after time again is our senses deceiving us bc we are consuming without education. I really love your videos and I believe they are so necessary for the times we are in. Thank you !

[@Dannalasapa]

And the same happens with the lesbians/bisexuals/gays as well. Immigrants too. I think they like to focus on using every group that has ever been discriminated is history as a pawn because giving people a reason to feel like a victim is easier than empowering them. Bc that way they’re easier to control. It’s kinda sad when those of us who belong to these groups are shamed for seeing right through it. As if suddenly we’ve become 70 year old wealthy white men who want to go back to the 1960s in order to discriminate ourselves. Like the girl in the video said, it’s important to see both sides. And I wish being a centrist or simply having mixed beliefs was normalized instead of frowned upon.

[@basedmathh]

The problem isn't education its retention. You and everyone who completed high school presumably should know the answer to questions like factor the quadratic completely: x^2+12x+32. Most adults forget this. And because most people cannot even do basic algebra how on earth can they assess what facts are? What does that word mean to you? IE How do you determine the validity of information you receive objectively?

[@i-love-anime-idols]

@@basedmathh well, not everybody uses those kinds of equations in their daily life so... 💀 I'm in college for accounting so obviously I'll use that stuff but what is the average citizen gonna do with that type of math???

[@basedmathh]

@@i-love-anime-idols Op''s point is that we need more education. I contend we retain little of what we learn anyways...

[@Crazy_Diamond_75]

@@i-love-anime-idols Information doesn't have to have direct utility in your life to be valuable. I think that attitude towards "well if I don't use it daily, why should I bother remembering it," is actually the major issue at play.

[@ddotmajor]

I can say I had this exact same phase in my life as well. Thank you for being open and honest about your experience. I think that it is important to constantly challenge the way that we think, and that isn’t always easy, but it is necessary.

[@rafaelduarte7137]

Well said!

[@yuan713]

I got into Jordan peterson more so cause of his breakdowns on Mythology and his videos on Disney movies. Both of which were things I love. I don't always agree with him politically, but he does bring up some good points now and then. It's one thing I always felt tho, was that neither the right or left was always right on their views.

[@thosesweetbookpages8123]

Yeah, it goes without saying that both political ideologies have extreme flaws

[@esthie4490]

It's really cool that you can still respect people and listen to their ideas even if you disagree with them. I think that's a huge sign of maturity which a lot of us gen-zs seem to lack.

[@icecell]

Don't worry, nobody is always right. Even religious deities make mistakes. That's why imo it's wiser to sit in the middle and hear everyone out. Ngl tho, it's fun to take sides and roast sometimes. :P Some people just take it way too seriously or even extreme.

[@casiecase12]

Thank you! You pretty much summed it up for me

[@michaelkulakov9716]

@@thosesweetbookpages8123 for some people I guess. From what it looks like on twitter, it's the polar opposite.

[@TryinBin8889]

I also went through a Jordan Peterson phase. I was very liberal as a teenager and always talking about social justice, but I wasn't a critical thinker when I did it- I just was taught by my schools since I was young and by social media that conservatives are evil and old etc etc, and that they hate people and don't listen and are based on wanting to hurt others. Then I took literature and was confronted with some ugly texts and ugly truths that made me really uncomfortable but forced me to think. I came to realise the world isn't so black and white and that people believe what they believe- for the most part- because they believe this is what is best for the world. This is how they want to help others or think others can help themselves/each other. I was on KZbin and came across a 'curb your meme' compilation, and one of them was a snippet of Cathy and Peterson's interview, and even though it was a funny meme, it caught my attention. I started to follow and listen to this person because he would talk about things so many people wouldn't, and would have critical discussions. His calmness, logical reasoning and willingness to listen to others made me so as well. I didn't listen to Ben Shapiro much however because I felt he used a lot of flashy language and hyper-specific examples that were easily lost, and I didn't agree with everything Peterson said, but when you looked at his comments his audience would also respectfully disagree with him and engage in discussions in threads. I went into science and engineering- as a woman- in university and was constantly undermimed by people who thought they were being supportive. "Wow you're a woman in STEM? That's so impressive." "You're really amazing for choosing engineering, empowering women!" And I know my chances of employability in the future will be a piece of cake because I'm a female in a male-dominated job. I felt undermimed because it's like, 'yeah, I'm doing engineering not because I'm a girl but because I'm a hard working person' and people who thought they were being supportive couldn't look past my gender at all the other things that made up who I was. I felt like I didn't even need to try in Uni because I would just be employed based on my gender, not my capabilities. And it's kind of true. Anyway doing engineering and science ALSO made me question when people use statistics, because you can find evidence that supports anything and everything under the sun. Things that agree and disagree. Eventually I came to the conclusion I will never know the truth or what is 'better'. I just learned that people think different things based on the logic they use. And personally, I feel that there are pros and cons to every side and that everything has its place and purpose in making the world better. I agree with lots of liberal ideas and also lots of conservative ideas because they have their places.

[@taylie673]

I read this thing and couldn’t stop thinking you are crazy. Like seriously seek help.

[@rG1vZ]

Ppl do seem to forget about nuance

[@nnishchit289]

Mate I second this. We need to start a cult/

[@pedrosaraiva1013]

Well put. Society would be a much better place with more like minded people as you

[@TryinBin8889]

@@pedrosaraiva1013 thank you for your comment, it really touched me. I will say it took me a long time and a long journey of pursuing what the 'truth' was to me to eventually settle where I stand now

[@timogul]

The problem with these right-wing "master debater" types, is that they will come onto a show loaded down with an arsenal of facts that support their side, lay them out, and then demand that the other side present counter facts. And this sounds reasonable, but think about it, what are the odds that the person on the other side of the table will have looked up the exact opposing data in advance and have it ready at hand? It's possible, even likely, that such data _exists,_ but it would take at least minutes to look it up, fact check it, etc., so to demand it in the moment would be an unreasonable expectation. But it does look good on camera. I would love to see a long format "thunderdome" style debate on serious social topics between "the best of the right" verses "the best of the left," but the format of it would be that you would have speakers on each side, but also a dozen or more research assistants, experts in certain fields, people just good at looking up credible information, etc., and instead of being a "live" debate, each participant would be able to speak uninterrupted for a certain amount of time, and then there would be a 30-60 minute _break,_ during which time the other side could put together the most informed response they could, then they get to say what they want for a certain amount of time, then _another break_ and the first side gets to respond with their best possible answer. The whole process would go on hours at a time for perhaps days, and then repackaged for later viewing as concise bites. Instead of being a pissing contest between the two debating parties, it would be a genuine attempt at finding the best possible ANSWERS, to truly test the IDEAS, rather than the INDIVIDUALS.

[@mr.powell8817]

Peterson V Zyzek doesn't count I guess

[@randompunkbaby]

If you can't argue your point, you should prepare.

[@kremington231]

If you're going to join a debate, especially about a certain topic, you should do some research. Leftist look dumb because they don't see a reason to research, they always think that their perspective is right. Everyone who disagrees with them, is a "monster" and a "bad person"

[@mahatmaghandi4288]

They are both debating the same topic, so as a bare minimum they should be aware of the facts about the topic to make their argument. It scares me that you think people who go on national TV to educate people about a topic, shouldn't know enough about a topic to be able to debate someone, or know simple facts about said topic.

[@ofcet]

dumbass take honestly.

[@thomasj7506]

You just articulated my political arc much better than I ever could. Thank you for being so vulnerable in this video

[@yeahohright3097]

We should all stop letting youtube and twitter algorithms recommend political ideas to us... let's go back to browsing our bookstores and libraries for political ideas, please? We've all become so much dumber because algorithms promote clickbait and ragebait

[@MarSprite]

Bookstores and libraries had their own "algorithm" of sorts. It was the humans in charge of the system. Political slanting isn't an invention of the internet.

[@yeahohright3097]

@@MarSprite True but it's nothing compared to the internet. As far as what topics are covered, both the internet and libraries seemingly do a good job; there's centrists, leftists, right wing, anarchist etc perspectives. But when it comes to nuance, that's when the comparison falls apart. A book can't hide behind 140 characters. It has all the time in the world to make its case; you can't just write a derisive "other side bad" tweet and get published. There are plenty of trash books but at least you have 300 pages to realize the argument they're making is bunk. You also can't discard the fact that thinking so long on one topic, as opposed to clicking every 20 seconds for a new perspective, develops or more complex way of thinking. Less simplistic, more focused on details and consequences and the bigger picture. The internet, on the other hand, rewards clickbait and ragebait. It HAS to, because it has to get normies to click on it as much as possible, because without enough eyeballs they don't get ad revenue. Also, the barrier to entry to publish a book is much higher, and expertise actually means something, no matter what people try and tell you. I'm not saying that *only* experts should publish, since there is value in outside opinions. But when the entire conversation is guided by randos who base their opinions off the videos the algorithm happened to show them, you will have bad political consequences. I have no doubt that many of our current mainstream political beliefs were started by crackpots with tinfoils who gave themselves an air of credibility by being invisible.

[@yeahohright3097]

@@MarSprite Oh, and another thing I forgot to mention: bookstores and libraries may have their own sort of "algorithm", but there were enough different publishers and bookstores that we had many many different perspectives to choose from. Now who controls what we can even see? Google (which includes youtube & instagram), Twitter, Facebook, Reddit.... and that's pretty much it.

[@MarSprite]

@@yeahohright3097 If you read trash, you get trash from it. I haven't been to twitter in years, for a reason. If you wanted to read trash before, they been selling it in the grocery store before. Very accessible. I stopped using google when I realized they were selecting results with political bias. There are other "publishers and bookstores". For now, I'm trying duck duck go. Some stores just come out on top though, and they usually have the scummiest business practices of the lot. Evil pays.

[@yeahohright3097]

@@MarSprite Yeah, but we're talking about the effect of these algorithms on the general population, not you and I in particular.

[@priyashab2214]

Thank you for making this video, I'm sure it will resonate a ton with people who went through a similar phase in 2017-ish when edgy/ sjw vs logic videos were super popular on youtube

[@dante340]

"I'm not left, I'm not right, I just sit wherever I feel like"... Geez i wish i could find friends like you Lol Just about every person I meet is so freaking tribal.. and it's honestly super lonely and isolating because I'm just not like that.

[@7h698]

Same for me.. especially in university

[@sierrajacks9831]

Same

[@indiascarlett]

Same. I'm politically homeless and try to see everyone's side.

[@Ella-le4lk]

I don’t think people should be part of a party, we are our own unique individuals that hold different set of beliefs, sure there may be overlaps but being part of a party is almost like saying “my way of life is better than yours” none of us know what is best for others and we should have humility, I just wish people to live as they choose as I don’t know best nor does anyone in power and even if so, people deserve the right to live as they please. It’s why I dislike the Left and right, many of them try imposing their views on others

[@cam-zl7qk]

@Jonathan Dolan Can you just stop

[@vokkera6995]

Ben Shapiro does not “argue” well. He argues forcefully. The whole point of debate is to reach growth in understanding- Ben Shapiro does NOT do that. He leans heavily on motte and Bailey fallacies and straw men to steamroll a debate. In other words, this is all to make somebody else look bad because they’re constantly trying to correct his false portrayal of their stance instead of ever making their case.

[@KM-bn7dg]

Breaking out of the echo chamber is so powerful. I was a hardcore leftist (also hardcore vegan… so.. LVL100 radical lol) for a decade+… then I became friends with a conservative farmer. We may have some different ideas politically but we also have a lot of the SAME ideas! We love each other, we teach each other, and we make each other more moderate. It’s a shame so many of us fall into the trap of picking a side.

[@madprole5361]

It's not breaking an echo chamber by allowing idiots to have an equal point of view.

[@aspecter2839]

Mans said LVL 100 radical leftist lmao

[@AgentDoubleV_Gaming]

@@madprole5361 what exactly is the point you're trying to make?

[@madprole5361]

@@AgentDoubleV_Gaming that people keep getting worried over echo chambers so they think they have to invite fascists and pseudo intellectuals into the fold like Shapiro, Rand, and Peterson. Also, this echo chamber nonsense presumes that it's always a bad thing for people to agree on topics.

[@AgentDoubleV_Gaming]

@@madprole5361 the problem with echo chambers is that your beliefs don't get challenged in any echo chamber. nothing that goes without challenge can become strong. I disagree with your characterization of shapiro or Peterson being fascists and pseudo intellectuals. its not always a bad thing to agree with people obviously. clearly you are going to gravitate to friends that agree with your view on life, I would argue that its really important to share outlooks on life with your significant other. but these people aren't going to strengthen your arguments because they are your echo chamber.

[@j4jsk902]

in germany we say „if you wanna be against the 'enemy', you must know the enemy“ and i think theres lots of truth to that. Thank you for this video. I needed this video so much because i had literally the same experience with the left bubbles, the phase etc. My eyes started tearing up because its so hard to find a person to talk with freely.

[@suchasnidvongs]

That’s right - know your enemy. That’s what smart people learn view points and different ideologies. And do not just stop there for being the “moderate” or “centrist”, but truly dig deeper. Engage more in conversations. Go talk with people with different view points. Ask them questions with truly open mind. But most of all, use your own judgement based on reasons, not emotions. Be brave at asking all the most “political incorrect” questions. And you will see it through. My first time understanding politics started with that. I asked “What is Political Correctness and where it came from?” And what I found opened doors for a truly new understanding. I suggest that you read George Orwell’s 1984. A speaker on youtube I recommend is James Lindsay, for more academic content. He digs deep into leftist ideology and can help you understanding it.

[@rahhmennoodles338]

@@suchasnidvongs Dude, I feel like everyone who was into 1984 in highschool eventually wind up having similar political views. I was obsessed with it and have identical views to both you and Olivia. That book slaps.

[@Elatzy]

@Savanna from the art of war ?

[@Solaxer]

True, but people that don't agree with your views are not your enemy.

[@j4jsk902]

@@Solaxer yea, the saying is definitely formed exaggeratedly.

[@binbots]

I have been a liberal my whole life and have recently gone down the conservative rabbit hole. The right makes a lot of valid points and when you see liberals (who always preach acceptance and tolerance) scream insults at them you start to see the hypocrisy in you own ideas. This led me to hate both sides. But then I realized that is only because we are usually only shown the extremes of both sides. The reason being is that the extremes are more entertaining but at the same time much more dangerous to be consuming. I have now changed my mind set to one of respect for both sides. Being extreme and never questioning your own beliefs is dangerous. When one party has been in power for too long it usually becomes corrupt and starts pushing their beliefs on the public which starts to take away our freedoms. Thats when the other party needs to step in and stop it. So now I respect both sides and see how they keep the other side in check. Because if that other party didnt exist we would ultimately end up in a dictatorship. Instead of spending so much of our time fighting over who has the moral high ground between the left and the right we should focus on the real problem and that is corruption. Corruption and the abuse of power are common natural human behaviours that can occur in any person, group or system when it is given too much power. The people who should have the power are the ones who don't seek power. When we recongnize that we will start to see some real changes.

[@GringoBrasileiro2022]

As a Brazilian Marxist, I don’t really see people call themselves liberals. I’ve heard people call themselves marxists, conservatives, centrists, social democrats, nihilists, etc. but never liberal. I just want to ask, why are you a liberal?

[@binbots]

@@GringoBrasileiro2022 I am from Canada. Here we have the Liberal party that would be most comparable to a social democrat.

[@GringoBrasileiro2022]

@@binbots Thank you for the response. All the best :)

[@azumarill964]

This is one of the best comments I´ve seen in KZbin. Ever. I am currently in the process of writing a story with this exact message, which I think is something that must be said. Thank you for sharing this info.

[@binbots]

@@azumarill964 Thats great. I hope the book does really well. People really need to stop fighting each other and start focusing on the real problems.

[@shahnazs7422]

I’m going through the same phase. Because my ex believed in gender roles and stereotypes and was slightly sexist, it has impacted my liberal thinking and sense of self to a great degree and I really hope I can come out of this with a better understanding and strong mindset.

[@Siegfried5846]

You should check out Jared Taylor.

[@fishtidz]

It's so hard in this society to have open discussions like this because of mob mentality which makes people never talk about it and feel like they are the only ones they know with these thoughts

[@Yurio]

Especially when basically all social media sites become an echochamber (esp Twitter an Tumblr). Voicing a differing opinion from the status quo just ends up with you getting lots of hate because no one is willing to have an actual discussion about these things.

[@tt-ob5bk]

there's this idea that someone has to be perfect their whole entire life to be a likable person. if someone messes up ONCE a long time ago, they will receive immense backlash and will be discredited and often times canceled. it's almost as if the world forgot about the concept of growth and becoming a better person

[@emanueljames7801]

We need to look at how we find truth in society and make sure we are being objective and actively fight against all forms of bias.

[@aubreysong]

Yah, people can be so tribalistic. Tribalism is real deal.

[@BrianOblivionB]

It's because you convinced yourself that everyone is against you, you are going to be victimized. The truth is you are mentally enslaved to those around you, you are very agreeable, learn to not give a fuck.

[@Anotherjune369]

It sounds like the problem was the "conversion" part. From what it sounds like in your video to me, you switched "sides" because you found out some figureheads of this "side" were flawed... Maybe trying to find the perfect "side" to convert to is the issue people have in situations like this. No one is going to be perfect; eat the meat, spit out the bones.

[@TacticalDimples]

Not quite. From what I got from the video: She switched to conservatism/right because of the lack of open-mindedness from the left. Then slowly grew out of that because of the lack of open mindedness from that side. By the end, she says she doesn’t align with either and just goes with w.e she believed in, which IMO is the best way to live-free from the shackles of propaganda and tribal thinking.

[@Mia15239]

@@TacticalDimpleshmmmm

[@rollinginthedeep6900]

People picking sides in politics or worldviews like theyre picking sports teams 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@johammy]

I love that - eat the meat, spit out the bones. I've found a lot of similarity to her experience with my own experience. I feel like there is a "pink cloud" period (what alcoholics refer to as their first days of sobriety) when being "redpilled". It is a period of discovery. There is so much missing from our way of thinking, and everything consumed is so new and interesting and eye-opening that it is easy to ride that pendulum allllllll the way over to the right. Once that initial period is over, though, and how long that period is I'm sure varies for everyone, there is an eventual discovery of the flaws on the right, as well, that pull us back... either back to the left, or back towards the middle. Everyone will be different, obviously, but I am a firm believer that most of us inherently or eventually situate somewhere in the middle.

[@Sumoniggro]

@@rollinginthedeep6900 Human beings may have gone to the moon, built computers and are completely interconnected with the entirety of human knowledge in the palm of our hands, but we are still tribal primates.

[@Anoyingorang]

I had a conservative phase and then a liberal phase for the longest but now that I’m 24 and a mom, I have to say I’m coming back to reality and stopped completely identifying as anything and just sticking to common sense and facts with a few empathic points. I feel like everything is black and white and that’s why we are so divided. There’s a spectrum for everything and I think people should hear each other out without calling each other sensitive or bigoted

[@marinakesawa7470]

No. We are not divided. That is a lie. 70% of the nation supports things like marriage equality, healthcare for all and minimum wage increase. The problem is that the extreme conservative base lives in a state of bias and denial of reality (helped by their friends at Fox). Being an intolerant right-winger is NOT the same as being an opinionated left-winger. The left isn't trying to remove voting rights, or bodily autonomy, or roll back child labor laws. The right is trying to create a Christian ethno-state.

[@elu9780]

There is no spectrum between hating LGBT people just a little and hating them a lot. It's all a degree of bigotry. I am certainly not going to stand together with people who want me dead because of my sexual and gender identities. Fuck them, they can go eat shit for all I care. If they change their minds, good, but I am in no way to obliged to treat them with any sort of respect when they put my very life on the line because of their idiotic beliefs based on nothing but mindless hatred of others.

[@simaxsas8151]

Well said

[@isaacm1412]

hard agree here, i feel like identifying as either takes away from our own ability to be autonomous and our own individual.

[@rubengardinerart]

Amen! Same story for me (apart from the being a mom part haha)

[@the_piano_nerd4960]

Jordan Petersen strikes me as someone who is well spoken, well thought out, well intentioned, and someone that I just don’t agree with on topics to do with a lot of social issues. I’ve seen him make a lot of generalizations about gender in particular that don’t line up at all with my experience and the experiences I’ve observed. That said, it’s important to keep an ongoing dialogue, I’m grateful that his voice helps me shape and sharpen my own.

[@tobybavin5972]

I was certainly part of the "facts don't care about your feelings" gang as a young man. Fortunately, I've since learnt that straight facts can't always determine the outcome of something, because we're humans, with emotions (lots of them). To not take that into account would be insane. I think it should be a major contributing factor in our daily thinking. loved the video by the way.

[@KnownNiche1999]

I'm not a Shapiro fan, but that isn't what "facts don't care about your feelings" means. What the phrase was originally used for (before it got memed into oblivion) is that even if truth can be offensive to you, it is still the truth, regardless of how you feel about it.

[@GothJedi]

Facts aren’t trying to determine the outcome of anything. They are there to inform you of what the situation is. Now obviously as humans, our emotions are undeniable. And being emotionally aware can be a good thing. But you have to learn how to channel emotions into productivity. Otherwise emotions just get thrown around and you wind up throwing gas on the fire. Solving big picture problems requires logic

[@sweetestaphrodite]

No. Emotions don’t change the truth.

[@mercury3352]

@@sweetestaphrodite But they do change how one experiences things, which effects their perspective. No human is without bias; thus, no human is capable of pure unfiltered truth. The majority of the world is ruled by probability and observed patterns, but there are very few hard truths that can be proven on a 100% guaranteed basis.

[@sweetestaphrodite]

@@mercury3352 Yeah… you’re describing psychology. There are 100% cold hard truths outside of what you describe.

[@shrisiva4016]

I had a Jordan Peterson phase when I was depressed and his self help advice really helped me. Still really respect him for the way he cares about young men when no one in the mainstream really does, look at his collabs with the BBC and Guardian Modern Masculinity series to see examples of this

[@spookymumbles3884]

Shri Siva I agree, he cares about women too. He's actually a very caring human being

[@sorudesarutta]

@Sleepless Max and that shouldn’t discourage or invalidate his other opinions on things. That’s the wonder of the internet, we get to pick and choose whatever points from whoever and construct our own opinions. If you meet someone whose opinions consist of repeating a public figures points, you’ll have found someone who doesn’t know how to think for themselves.

[@niyandrey]

@@sorudesarutta Jordan Peterson is still massively intellectually dishonest. That goes for pretty much any right-wing activist. JP is much more careful about it though. Not saying his supporters are, but both the left and the right can deceive people to some extent (and I condemn it both ways), so people gaslit by JP shouldn't be looked down upon. Rather, they are more susceptible to being converted to the left since they probably wouldn't support him on the white nationalism or transphobia. And even at that, even those views can be motivated not by hate, but a collective misunderstanding. I'm not saying JP is a bad person, and certainly not saying he's a bad demagogue. But being honest kinda matters fam

[@niyandrey]

Not saying his supporters are dishonest, I mean

[@odlfmariner470]

@Sleepless Max It honestly is a matter of perspective i guess, i've never been religious throughout my entire life btw, as far as i know atleast, but i'm not offended by most religions at all. If someones wants to believe in christianity or whatever i honestly couldn't give a fuck, and i realize that the ethics and values (not the actual belief in god etc) that comes from religions are legitimately important for our societies. I don't understand the hatred for religion, but then again i've never been a religious person so maybe i have to be religious and possibly traumatized by it to understand.

[@madox4061]

i just wanna mention... it's so easy to be cool, collected and respectful and tolerant when you're arguing against other people's identities and rights. and it's so easy to look down on people who react negatively or passionately when someone is explaining why you don't deserve to have your identity be respected. i had an edgy anti feminist phase as well and that's what i understand from it. it was so easy to look down on people for getting mad. that doesn't mean they're wrong

[@neveerland]

THIS. This idea that the second people show their emotions in a discussion their arguments become meaningless is ridiculous. yes, respectful discourse is important but heralding neutrality as the beacon of good debating means heralding emotional distance from the topic, which doesn't work when the topic is about peoples rights to exist.

[@aaronbarkley539]

It’s not about peoples identity being “respected” it’s about people shoving their identities down your throat if that’s all you learned from being “conservative” you weren’t really conservative

[@madox4061]

@@aaronbarkley539 why do you feel like it's being 'shoved down your throat' when people ask you to respect their identity? i get that all the time. if that's the case then i grew up with straight people shoving their stuff down my throat everywhere and i'm not crying about it and refusing to call people the way they ask me to. also i never said i was a conservative, i said i had an edgy anti feminist phase where it was cool to mock people for getting angry.

[@bratprica6383]

Also, if you're unexperienced with debates and public speaking, it's very easy for someone who's good at it to ''win'' a debate against you, even if ultimately they're wrong.

[@aaronbarkley539]

@@madox4061 because I don’t have to call you what you ask of me to, like if I don’t agree with your lifestyle you don’t have the right to nag me about it all the time. Yeah that’s being shoved down my throat. I can respect your lifestyle while not agreeing with it but y’all take respect to mean acceptance when it’s not.

[@ashreh]

As a person who grew up in the south, I learned quite literally nothing about racism, homophobia, or helping the poor. Eye opening to see that not everyone was so shielded from the outside world.

[@Appleblade]

I started on the Right, became Left leaning in college, returned to the Right (with reservations). In grad school in philosophy, just one of the professors was conservative (oddly, he was born in Canada), but he always seemed to have the best relationships with students, and always was understanding and kind, while other professors were dismissive and sarcastic if you espoused a conservative opinion. That seems to be the pattern at the five colleges where I have taught since then... especially among non-philosophers, but even among philosophers. Not all philosophers make truth their priority.

[@markuskarlsson1950]

Sorry to say, but as a finnish person, taught to think " who benefits from this arcticle" since 9 years old, it seems not even the philosophy, doesnt guarantee you to stray away from the stereotypical( stupid) way of thinking. Being kind means ur liberal vice versa XD GOD DAMN PLEASE HELP THIS COUNTRY

[@UnknowableDandelion]

I personally have always thought the truth should be the absolute fundamental priority of every human being, not just philosophers. If you pursue it wholeheartedly you cannot go wrong. Of course, it applies especially to them. Glad you've had your share of experiences!

[@AkiraNakamoto]

I have been the same Lockean since adulthood. Let's assume that American society is a swimming pool and I am afloat in the pool at certain spot. A few decades ago I was moderate left in the swimming pool. Since then I haven't changed my location at all. The damn thing is that the entire swimming pool has shifted to the left for 100 yard. Suddenly I am at a far right location in the swimming pool even though MY LOCATION COORDINATES DON'T CHANGE A BIT ON THE VERY EARTH.

[@justinpurcell3717]

The major basis of philosophy isn't based on facts or truth though, it's mostly based on reasoning. However, truth does play a factor in some instances. A lot of philosophy is very hypothetical and has a lot of gray areas, with some of them coming to the conclusion of a truth or fact. For example, philosophers will debate over god and what is morally correct, that is all subjective. Philosophers throughout history like Plato I think was very xenophobic, not all philosophers are molded by truth or facts.

[@jansvatek5029]

I don't get why philosophers have this notion that only them can know the only true concept of truth. I study cultural/social anthropology and philosophy and every one of my classmates from philo are insufferable douches. Not saying that its a reflection of reality. But from this comment, it seems you have a very similar attitude. I just wanted to say that philosophy has nothing to do with truth, well... it depends i guess, maybe illusion of truth or reason would be better? I mean you can problematize truth as a concept - I identify with Wittgenstein's reasoning behind language and concepts, so truth as a whole is purely a construct made by humans and only works on the level of language and cannot surpass that level. this comment just annoyed me for some reason. idk have a nice day

[@stephenm9199]

"My first mistake was going to a political commentator as someone who would give me 'the truth'". *she snapped*

[@wuyi6945]

Let's face that fact: the conservative side is incapable of forming ANY logical argument.

[@technofi2554]

​@@wuyi6945 That sounds awfully bias and not very open minded :p

[@wuyi6945]

@@technofi2554 is it possible if you can convince me otherwise? Thanks

[@selina8435]

@@wuyi6945 did you not just watch this video

[@wuyi6945]

@@selina8435 I did. After that I did watch few videos from the conservative side and I do notice many ad hominance attack in those videos. Have yet to find a video from the conservative with actual good content. Please recommend some if you have thank you

[@SarkinEtLeSoleil]

Wow. I've had a nearly identical experience: all the way down to my engagement with the study of philosophy in university to help recognize where I've been. My takeaway from this political journey, much like yours, is that it has helped me come to be more critical in my engagement with ideas and more sympathetic to those who I don't agree with. I've been reluctant to tell anyone my experience because of my shame. However, hearing you share this story and recognizing that it helps the listener become more reflective makes me feel I can be more open about my journey.

[@rando_on_web]

Hey, I like the topics you cover. What you say isn't restricted to the left or right: - on name calling, conservative thinkers are frequently called "white supremacists", "racists", "fascists", "bigots", yadda yadda, it gets old. - debating someone who is ignorant of facts isn't restricted to the right or left - as you point out, stats can be manipulated, right or left of the aisle - "lumping groups of people together" is definitely not restricted to the right or left - "facts", people were banned for questioning the "facts" that turned out to be false, and they were mostly on the right. You have a great channel. Keep it up!

[@alexanderhardy3347]

Interesting… I wouldn’t say Peterson is a “conservative” thinker though…. I think the big take away is people on both sides shouldn’t shield themselves from ideas … it is totally okay to find yourself flipping “sides” as the ideas resonate with a feeling of truth, you just need to be humble enough with your beliefs

[@cashkitty3472]

He isn't conservative at all but the left have pushed him to look right

[@kimberlythompson6797]

@@cashkitty3472 have yo ever heard him talk about gender roles or sexuality, or really anything at all? He’s very much conservative

[@gabrielseaborn257]

@@kimberlythompson6797 I would say he's definitely not a progressive, for sure. Looking at the rare occasions he's talked about (non-extremist) economic policy, he seems to be liberal, in the literal sense of the word (i.e. not meaning 'left-leaning'). Now there are things that might predispose you to be more conservative, or rather traditional, such as being of an older generation, or growing up in a rural area (Peterson checks both boxes). But does that make him very much a conservative? Not really.

[@SHDWZ__]

​@@kimberlythompson6797 “Politically, I am a classic British liberal. Temperamentally, I am high in openness, which tilts me to the left, although I am also conscientious, which tilts me to the right. Philosophically I am an individualist, not a collectivist, of the right or the left. Metaphysically, I am an American pragmatist, who has been strongly influenced by the psychoanalytic and clinical thinking of Freud, Jung and the psychotherapists who have followed in their wake.”

[@Djcjx91]

@@kimberlythompson6797 buying into or not buying into gender roles and sexuality doesnt define someones entire poltical stance...

[@rocioperez6812]

This is kinda what I felt taking philosophy classes! You start to understand what a valid argument looks like and therefore feel encouraged to express yourself while listening to arguments against you. Thank you so much for sharing!

[@AshleyHall-fk5jf]

Girl, I wish I knew you in real life. Everything you post I swear I have felt and thought of before. I always thought that I was wrong for thinking the things I did because of the extremist society we live in and it’s very eye opening to realize many people feel the same way

[@whasianguy655]

I was also once a Ben Shapiro fan until I realized how extremely conservative his views were. I’m similar to you where I also lean towards different directions with certain policies or beliefs. I think what makes it a problem is that a group of people don’t really think of their own thoughts and just follows whatever group they favor, and one group refuses to have a conversation with the other since they feel they don’t have to. I appreciate the video!

[@dulappen494]

The main point to take away from all this is that everyone is flawed. Idolizing any public figure and basing one's opinion about everything on that one sole person is always a bad idea. I personally really like Jordan Peterson and feel like I've learned a lot from him. Especially during the time I suffered from depression he was like a beacon of hope for me. But it would be foolish from me to blindly trust him no matter what he's talking about. He's only human and even someone as educated as him can't know everything about everything. But also, realising that someone is flawed doesn't mean that you now need to stop listening to that person altogether.

[@CarriedbyGg]

I don't know if that is the most important point here, man. I agree that Jordan Peterson has some insightful thoughts, especially if you are dealing with some dark stuff in your life. However, what you should take away from this is that Jordan Peterson is a very dangerous path to go down. He is very eloquent, calm, well-mannered. And from one thing to the next, first he helps you with your depression, next you are a bigoted conservatice that mistreats people based on nothing rational

[@dulappen494]

@@CarriedbyGg I respectfully disagree and think "Jordan Peterson is a dangerous path to go down" ... "next you are a bigoted conservative that mistreats people" is definitely not the main point to take away here. Just because *some* people go down that route doesn't mean that that is what happens to everyone that listens to Jordan Peterson. I'd even go as far as saying for the vast majority of people, he's had a positive impact on their lives. I think people as famous as him often get misrepresented by looking at their *worst* fans/supporters. (See the extreme Eminem stans as an other example). So one needs to be careful with such assessments. You can't judge someone for a small part of their audience/fanbase. (But of course I'm also not saying that it isn't at least something to be vary about)

[@CarriedbyGg]

@@dulappen494 this has nothing to do with his followers and everything to do with what he is actually saying. Just his arguments, his logic, his structure of thinking contains some well-disguised falsehoods that lead to a sad and angry ending.

[@luc8254]

Yes, I personally think Jordan shines when he talks about subjects that he studied on a deep level, like psychology for example

[@doryfishie2]

@@CarriedbyGg I think bigoted conservatives tend to gravitate towards JP because he criticizes extreme left ideas. What many fail to realize is that JP is not right wing, JP has himself said that he considered himself more liberal than conservative. The youtube algorithm tends to send conservatives to JP content. It also doesn't help that right wing channels like to make highlight or compilation videos with clickbait titles like "JP destroys crazy sjw". A few years ago, I came across a vid of an alt-right person "exposing" JP for not being aligned with them. The comments were filled with mouth-breathers who were shocked and outraged that JP was not "on their side". He never did claim or try to be aligned with the alt-right. People just have terrible reading and listening comprehension. The confirmation bias is strong. My only problem with JP is when he starts giving nutrition advice. Sure, he has some problems with food, but this is like someone with dental pain pretending to be a dentist.

[@neurotika]

I’m going to just say this- I feel like gen z lacks a lot of real life experience and a vast majority have developed their ideology from the internet. Just like this young woman. Im not saying this as an insult. Hell, in 2007, nobody my age was remotely political. We never picked sides. But we also didn’t live in such a divisive environment. Still, I think it’s important for people to gain more life experience before opening their mouths. Ah well.

[@ivds7226]

Ofcourse Gen Z lacks a lot.of real life experience because of their age.A lot of them haven't or just entered the 'work field'. They are going to talk from what they have experienced. I have seen a lot of Gen Z understand where boomers are coming from but I haven't seen the same understanding from boomers.

[@ivds7226]

What do I seen GenZ talk about often ? Sexism, transphobia, homophobia, mental health issues and they have had experience with that so ofcourse they can open their mouths about it. At the same time,I understand where you might me coming from,there are some topics that you can talk about only if you have been in the 'real work'.I just don't think it's a Gen Z thing,it's more of a people or maybe a youth thing (in their respective generations).

[@bbHoodski]

@Jo Fugya man, this is the same critique verbatim that's brought up in everything from critical race theory to feminism to (insert any activist cause whatsoever) Apologies if I'm putting words in your mouth, I acknowledge I'm projecting onto you a certain archetype... But your tear-down is so broad and unspecific how does it apply to any of these causes you denounce? Let's dive into the deep end with critical race theory. Where in the framework is that little morsel of critical thinking absent in your opinion? Because the only answer I've ever gotten was "well there's no laws targeting races like Jim crow, therefore systemic racism doesn't exist" Which is just so very shallow and one dimensional smh. Laws can be worded in ways that do specific harm to certain people without ever mentioning their race. Take the most obvious example of shutting down voting locations in predominantly black neighborhoods. The law never mentions race and instead hides it's intentions under the guise of budget cuts or square mile quotas. It's really not that hard to extrapolate from there and see how countless other laws function in the same way. At this point the next rebuttal is inevitably "well THAT may be true but then you can't call that systemic racism because it's something else" which is like... okay cool. We can go back and forth on dictionary definitions of words Ben Shabibo, but it's really weird that you're hung up on getting the wording correct as opposed to ya' know, racist politicians welding the law to abuse a certain group of people. To completely ignore the VERY well-researched and obvious discrimination certain people face at the hands of the government seems like you're the one ignoring "facts and logic"

[@ivds7226]

@MR Juggy well put together !

[@Willowtree82]

Well said, I think it's terrible that young people cannot just be young people and everything is political charged, everything they are asked to pick a side on.

[@revaholic]

The media is almost completely responsible for the division in society as both sides just latches onto the most extreme thoughts and keeps focusing on it for their own profits. Fantastic video - you're a true thinker

[@OjoRojo40]

You misspelled Capitalism.

[@StupidAThandle]

@@OjoRojo40 If everything was state owned the state would be giving you information do you really trust the government giving you info

[@OjoRojo40]

@@StupidAThandle I hate the state because it only represents the interests of big corp.

[@mikepowell8611]

NO not on both sides only on the left. Its the left that has gone off the deep end not the right!

[@gabrielriley2388]

@@OjoRojo40 you know governments (the state) controls everything in a socialist/communist society without “big corp”, Right?

[@rebecalouise9851]

29:44 I wanted to note that Jordan's first degree is in political science, and secondly in psychology he was initially interested in the reasons that human societies go to war. He says it struck him that the right level of analysis for understanding mass movements like the Nazi movement or ideological possessions that characterized the stalinist soviets or Mao's communists or any dictators that you can talk about who were in the far left or in the far right during the 20th century. I'm just quoting what he says in one his lectures, this one in particular is a personality lecture from 2014, on Alexander Solzhenitsyn.

[@mageic7001]

I like his lectures and his books I don't think anything he says there is political in any way or at least the ones I've watched