I HAD A BREAKTHROUGH

[@articleconflicted]

This breakthrough is ahead of its time. In a few years we won’t be able to push the meta any further in a lucid state, and people will solely advance it through dream prophecies and Ayahuasca spirit journeys

[@mrlucius57]

We will be ready for Melee from higher dimensions

[@jh.schwartz]

Alternative title: I learned how to auto-cancel bair like Mango in a dream

[@ssbm-icarus]

Actually he should steal that

[@inhalants]

I dreamt like mango

[@starfox300]

Mango has done this 10 years ago

[@Vagabor123]

@@starfox300 ya...he said that

[@mattmadonna9136]

This is actually not only fire advice but arguably one of the funniest ways to figure out a piece of tech lol I would love to hear what the dream was

[@SsbmGinger]

It was literally me at a computer watching mango frame by frame and being like "wait... he doesn't back flip! Do I backflip??" and then I watched myself and I was like "OH MY GOD I BACKFLIP" and then real life worked the same way essentially lol

[@jiraiya2000]

@@SsbmGinger 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 I wish that was the video!

[@SadToffee]

"it was revealed to me in a dream"

[@mymyscellany]

cool. having insights during dreams is always such a cool experience

[@kizzagaming6523]

Defs not just you, I didn't even think about it

[@sambsounds]

we'll all be playing catchup with mango the savant until the end of time

[@The_SOB_II]

Someone check if Isai was doing this back in the day as flacco

[@zachariemelanson485]

This is so funny 😂 I can't believe a Falco as well thought out and calculated as you has never connected the dots on this lol. I guess I can see it if you only use auto cancel bair with the A button. Can't wait to see what you can do with this unlocked!

[@jiraiya2000]

Everyone learns differently, that is an amazing breakthrough!

[@sambtt]

yeah, its definitely the case that you initial jump direction (whatever angle you hold last frame of jumpsquat) has way more influence on your momentum than any drift (any direction you hold afterwards). it's kinda unintuitive but super useful if you can master different combinations of jump angle + drift

[@CutieCakeClips]

I use C stick a lot, and just assume its faster in tight situations like this.

[@dylanelias8595]

I've always had this same problem this is so good to know

[@morganlak4337]

it all makes sense now...

[@MrSlowpez10]

Ive been wondering why mang0 could get away with it and i couldnt. What the heck. It was just that simple lol

[@jeyserreacts3444]

Bro was dreaming off the red 40 last night

[@decent-videos]

You kinda just blew my mind. I wanna go lab this right now. I run into this issue all the freaking time.

[@maxmustermann5590]

I just hopped ingame to check, I always did it correct just by accident. I think it's pretty natural if you use cstick for aerials. Getting the right one with A is a little unnatural imo

[@jamesschroeder6487]

OH MY GOD!!! I've been wondering how mango and other Falco's do this in VOD reviews for a while now!

[@sorenzzz]

Basically seperate the inputs of jumping and moving backwards.

[@vTropic]

duuuude this is big! I always get grabbed back-airing sheik and always had been doing the backflip, hopefully implementing this will stop me getting grabbed so much lmao

[@Goreblender]

I don't think I consciously knew that there was a difference, but I have for a long time jumped straight up when I intend to fade away, or even fade in with bair. I remember watching mang0 years ago and seeing him fade in with bair and still beat shield grab and thinking "well his opponents just suck," but then watching more, I realized he was jumping straight up, WHIFFING back air, and then fading in and hitting them with the weak hitbox as he was falling, so he would actually AC bair but still turn it into a late hit on shield. I incorporated that into my game and then the muscle memory just kind of bled into my fade away punishes

[@averyheadington3983]

Had no clue but it makes so much sense now. Thank you!

[@Zemmu]

Shotouts to your biggest fan, lucas vlory

[@GeoffFClark]

Fantastic explanation. Thank you for sharing this tech discovery to push the entire metagame forward, unlike Mang0 who keeps secret tech like this to himself for years, while pretending to not know what a jumpsquat is LOL.

[@Binlaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

This happenned to me a bunch but I never figured out why, hype

[@beauhendershot7911]

Damn I’m thinking about it this just might how backflips work in general? Like maybe you’re able to just drift back further with backflips but you’re able to switch your drift from left to right easier if you aren’t backflipping. A small but lowkey insane discovery👍

[@sachatasev3114]

I didn't know that! Great video :)

[@hestoned]

Frame perfect bair brings you closer to shield. For example a frame 1 falco fair will land 2 kicks on shield. Frame 2 will land 3 kicks. Fun fact frame 1 aerials will let you fast fall 1 frame faster

[@mhmmmmmmm]

I'm glad no one ignored he found the solution in a dream lol

[@mystery_1155]

i had this same breakthrough in reverse. i realized that backflipping and delaying sh aerials covers almost everything that beats sh aerials or at least keeps you in a good position

[@surfyswag]

very hype, this explains why my ac bairs weren't consistent

[@spacejambluray2591]

100% have seen ppl do this on accident

[@EchoStormSSB]

Bro what you just blew my mind

[@mova_94]

OMG I just tried this out and im sitting in my chair stunned...what an amazing find Avery holy cow

[@MindshiftProd]

It would be hilariously fucked up if ginger still dreaming. Waking up excited to try this till it isn't working and checks his channel and this video never happened. lmfaoo

[@SsbmGinger]

please no... LOL

[@kickmonlee3390]

There are many different jump variations and like you said a directional jump gives you momentum you have to fight against if you want to attempt a bait. Like you said a lot of this is kinda second nature for people but it is good to keep in mind which jump type is best for which situation.

[@dknf4036]

Great video man, I've never put this together either. That autocanceled full drift away bair looks like such a good option too

[@magicsixball]

Same principle with Falcon when approaching around spacies uptilt. If you forward jump, you'll generally have too much forward momentum. By neutral or back jumping, you'll have much more control of your drift

[@latinobacon]

neutral jumper here.. also mango doesn't even hit shield sometimes

[@RobnuSSBM]

Actually insane, love it

[@shinobiwannabe]

Pushing the falco meta! Going to do my best to bring this to my local 🎉

[@ericapritchettche]

Back when I used to play melee like 4 hours a day for 7 years (and was still terrible) i would just naturally do this with Falco just cause I always felt like the C-stick better aerial control. Too bad I'm not a beast like this Ginger guy.

[@drinkmug]

this is large

[@savaget2058]

Yeah, I do this naturally 😅

[@mikeking1286]

this was not on my 2024 melee bingo card

[@SheikAshii]

I had a dream about always pulling a special item as peach while pressing Z and using the dpad before. It was called zpadding in the dream. I then explained it to some people at a local in 2014 and as I was showing them I pulled a stitch and a bomb. So dreams are no joke lol. The melee dream meta is the future

[@inhalants]

Its always the simplest shit

[@sageryfrekenstein]

this reminds me of the pipsqueak video about different initial jump drifts

[@andrew_gaming7133]

To preface this I am by no means a good player but I have always done backairs like this. I quickly hit the x button and flick the C stick in the backwards direction. I almost never use the A-button for aerials. I think the reason why I started doing this is from when I started playing marth back when i first picked up the game. I was watching pewuniversity and he did fading double fairs this way.

[@TheGlitchedUpGlitch]

I've been playing for 15+ yrs and I also did not know this wtfff

[@vsevenkrew1464]

I can only do it to the left like this cause I flick the cstick with the meat of my thumb, having done it for instant marth fairs with a backward jump

[@HM-gm1kn]

ive always used the c stick.... does that mean this doesnt apply to me?

[@SsbmGinger]

You still need to make sure that you don't backflip when you jump! It's still very easy to do unintentionally. You might already do the correct method though!

[@HM-gm1kn]

thanks man. great vid and love all your content. :) @@SsbmGinger

[@TheJorjj]

this is why you aerial with c stick

[@skii_mask_]

I've only recently started learning falco so I can't use this, but this is the kinda game knowledge i love to tuck away and im sure will help me in the future. thanks!

[@Bamby290]

Hey just some advice. You can def do it. The way I AC bair with c stick is I use the palm of my hand to flick the stick, but this only works on the left side. On the right side I just move my fingers really fast lmaooo so good luck on that one it takes some practice.

[@salvokai]

I think I get it but input display on would've helped make it more clear

[@theturokchoi]

holy shit i was wondering why i was getting grabbed...... and sometimes why it works

[@Bamby290]

Surely this is a meme right 💀 I use A for ac bair if the drift make sense since it’s easier but I always use c if I need to go the other way. I thought this was common knowledge lmaoo. Plus why have you never just asked mango? Ginger is going to be so good at melee now lmao

[@-_-kiwi]

very interesting video

[@djreball9453]

it's crazy because i was doing this before i could pillar

[@elise3852]

now it all makes sense. i had the same issue as u, shout out ur subconscious

[@MantisMonkey]

Mf guess i gotta grind in my dreams now

[@alexanderespinoza]

C stick op

[@billsmathers7787]

Is that Jameszoo I hear in the bg?

[@SsbmGinger]

it is the David Dockery w/drums version, but yes!

[@ravian]

🔥🔥🔥

[@adamkunesh4290]

Massive.

[@MathyAsdf]

so you bair with the cstick?

[@SsbmGinger]

that would make it much easier than using A for this, yes

[@SSBMARBLES]

holy fuck based

[@lackss7120]

My response didnt matter? What the hell

[@SsbmGinger]

LMAO - "How to feel a sense of purpose in life (as a falco main)" I'll take a crack at that video idea one day

[@lackss7120]

@@SsbmGinger love u big dog

[@Aoi_Tori_]

Oooo

[@kiracite]

W

[@hunterstudios39]

It kinda makes me mad that you didn't know about this lol

[@hunterstudios39]

Grats tho 👏

[@BJarv]

yuge

[@McDunzo]

For those who want more info on this, Gravy on the 20GX youtube channel has an in depth video about this concept called Dissecting the Mechanics of Jump.

[@narddog2151]

I thought this was common sense tbh

[@narddog2151]

...but also KJH famously didn't look at his opponent as a professional player lol. I think we all have blind spots like this