Using Down Smash Vs. Marth Up B

[@Kosmicd12]

thank you for explaining this!

[@jacoblindsey6888]

Kosmic playing Melee now? 👀

[@Kosmicd12]

@@jacoblindsey6888 kosmic BEEN playin it

[@jacoblindsey6888]

@@Kosmicd12 I'll need to catch that on stream!

[@Easy801]

@@jacoblindsey6888 ya I be bodying him

[@rufusburnesheath3695]

kosmic pog

[@dullxdaggers]

i love that most pro melee players want people to get better, they dont just hide intircate tech when they find it. thanks

[@john117950]

And then there's hbox

[@viczikkchannel6267]

Because they know even If everyone knows secret. Techs ect you need years to perfect it and never Hope to beat a pro, they are on another planet x)

[@dullxdaggers]

@@viczikkchannel6267 well that's not really true. zain and a few others have proven that you dont need to have 10 plus years on the game to play proficiently. some people are wired to be good at things, but digging deep to take the time to practice and apply as many new things you learn at every moment, that is what separates the chumps from the champs. top players are amazing, but dont short yourself by saying the skill is unattainable.

[@davedanger4414]

@@dullxdaggers It's less to do with talent and more to do with how dedicated you are and how efficient your "training" is. Zain started playing melee and immediately went to tournaments. I'm sure he was grinding every single day. Most people don't have it in them. It's understandable. Playing to be a top pro is putting in work like it's your job.

[@joed9514]

Please God keep posting these kinds of videos, ur brain is so huge

[@Radarssbm]

Always wondered the variables for when it works and doesn't work. Super useful, thanks so much!

[@justyndimez]

Thanks for the percent based explanation!

[@deep_cuts2019]

I was just wondering about this exact thing! Thanks for making this video

[@r3aperrising984]

Love how useful your vids are going, keep it up!

[@M0NN1]

Good explanation! Really helped me a lot to understand the percents easily. Can you do one on dairing or bairing against Peach upB?

[@CoconutJewce]

I've been told to use down smash against Peach Up-b and to do it on either reaction or audio cues (I forget which lol).

[@notwhoyouare1543]

@@CoconutJewce audio cues = a type of reaction.

[@CoconutJewce]

@@notwhoyouare1543 You're right; I was referring to visual cues. My b.

[@Matt-vw9nd]

doing the bird's work in mitigating the marth menace, great vid also thanks for playing like 5 games with me on slippi despite you three-stocking me every time.

[@FP-ih1lu]

Can this work when falco is facing away from the edge? So that you’re threatening to actually grab the ledge?

[@just_mr_gng]

Yoo thank u this will make my mario edgaurding 10× better :)

[@carlcarlqvist7521]

So happy to see notification that u dropped a new video! Love ur content

[@WH1SK3YJ4CK]

Super helpful

[@kiracite]

fantastic, useful, u da best

[@3shrimp950]

What's the deal with the taunt at 0:54?

[@thomas-tk6ce]

Great video, everything’s presented so it’s really easy to remember and it’s really helpful information as well

[@yas2ne19]

great video very useful

[@robo-rex0239]

Ginger clutch

[@cfalcon8342]

what about the thresholds for fox?

[@SsbmGinger]

Someone didn’t watch the video :p

[@exeterd9]

Bless up

[@jimtroeltsch5998]

Awesome video, thanks Ginger :)

[@blfnlupa2538]

Always was uncertain when this worked, thanks!

[@obedcalles4690]

Le doy like y me suscribo me sirvió mucho

[@negativesplits06]

No te entiende.

[@obedcalles4690]

@@negativesplits06 que triste

[@darly5448]

veryvery nice. now beat Zain plzz

[@jhubsley]

Great video, I really need to make better use of save states in 20XX. Also, any plans to analyze your set against S2J? I'd love to see you pick it apart.

[@ofischial]

do these same principles apply to a sheik downsmashing marth?

[@mrMario468]

very useful as always, thx tho, ginger what do you think about working on falco's dtilt kill % in different stage positions, i currenly have vs fox, falco, marth, sheik, jiggly and ics (popo)

[@SsbmGinger]

It's hard to set up down tilt kills, but they can be good for sure! I know general %'s. Especially on sheik and marth because it comes up the most often

[@FuranA7x]

Gracias amigo

[@rumfordc]

wow i finally understand this. thanks!

[@hahahalala-i1x]

ohhhh myyyy goddddddd makes so much sense what the heckkkkkkk fudbwishfurruuru SO UNINTUITIVE BUT IT MAKES SENSE

[@Tommy2_0]

Does anyone have the percent thresholds for the other relevant characters?

[@notwhoyouare1543]

Tldw; Asdi down 0 - 62 percent Cc 12 - 125 They overlap and percentages are similar with fox

[@RemiGemini]

Thank you for this One question though, with asdi down do you just hold down on left stick the entire time, then dsmash > react to getting hit > dsmash? Or do you have to release left stick at some point?

[@jhubsley]

My guess would be that he does a down smash, holds down on the left stick to ASDI when he's hit, then C-Sticks the second down smash

[@SsbmGinger]

@@jhubsley exactly this!

[@urd3adnow]

is it at all usable to milk the invincibility of his legs or is that just too susceptible to early up b?

[@SsbmGinger]

nah it's not really viable to use the invincibility on the legs because you'll generally be hit by the up b anyway. Maybe certain times it could be good though!

[@Emperorerror]

Doesn't crouching automatically do ASDI down unless you're holding the c-stick another direction?

[@mcfam8657]

Cool to get the %s for this

[@lionheart1607]

Sweet, with this new knowledge I'm gonna body Zain, be right back...Yeah...somehow I still lost. I guess I just suck.

[@Syched]

I guess my post from the marth discord got around

[@sujetonormal3399]

How to grab zain with falco

[@ludvig.r3341]

At what procents for marth is this a viable option? What happens is marth is at 0%, will he jus do it again and again and get "free dmg" on you?

[@familytv1523]

about the stale, i think powersheilding falco's lasers refreshes stale moves