I Hate Feminist Hollywood, And Here's Why.

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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
04:44 Part 1: Toxic Masculinity
07:56 Part 2: It's Not All About Men
11:40 Part 3: Films And Their Makers
15:21 Conclusion
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Movies:
Mulan (2020)
Birds of Prey: Harley Quinn (2020)
Charlie's Angels (2019)
Sex Education
Wonder Woman (2017)
Captain Marvel (2019)
The Force Awakens (2015)
The Rise Of Skywalker (2019)
Avengers: Endgame (2019)
Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)
Fight Club (1999)
The Wolf of Wall Street (2013)
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Beauty And The Beast (2017)
Maleficent (2014)
Black Widow (2021)
Mulan (1998)
Beauty And The Beast (1991)
Brave (2012)
Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (1953)
WandaVision (2021)
Ghostbusters (2016)
Men in Black: International (2019)
Ocean's 8 (2018)
Marriage Story (2019)
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[@Nutsa]

If you liked this video please make sure to leave a like and comment I promise it really helps ❤️ (because algorithm ✨ SUCKS✨)

[@Fanatical_Empathy]

Done! I am grateful for your desire to speak against bad writing.

[@hamizanyunos1502]

Completely agree, it seems that most strong female characters in modern cinema are very powerful and strong-willed which are good traits but that alone doesn't make them interesting. Character flaws, struggles and short-comings are also components that add to character's development and appeal. Regarding toxic masculinity in films, I am actually glad that more male characters are becoming more vulnerable and emotional instead of being cocky and stoic all the time. Wanda Maximoff is one of the best and complex female character I have seen so far, she is powerful and brave at the same has her own emotional vulnerabilities due her harsh experiences and trauma. In Addition, she is also independent but very empathetic and emotionally connecting to others.

[@jellydonut505]

As a male I agree with what you said, its why I hated the new trilogy and all the live actions because it just felt like corporate trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel for a "movie" regardless of the outstanding series. Same with Ghostbusters 3 or whatever

[@hamizanyunos1502]

@@jellydonut505 What is Anti-logic sort of points out how some of new woke movies are coming from very old franchises: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGirdaKwqZd2gZI

[@jellydonut505]

@@hamizanyunos1502 will watch thank you

[@S.FENNAH]

Fantastic video. A strong female character doesn’t mean powerful, unbeatable and infinitely superior to all living things; it means strongly written, which includes weaknesses, shortcomings, struggle and striving. Watching a character being something will never be as interesting as watching a character *become* something.

[@cable7152]

A female character should be able to be anything, not just strong or weak, just human like we all are, same as male characters.

[@robinthrush9672]

I was just trying to sell the DragonLance Chronicles books to my girlfriend with how a couple of the female protagonists (large cast) go through a hero's journey and one goes from a spoiled love-sick princess to a general for the armies of the good races and she said "of course she can't start off competent", to which I pointed out that her equivalent on the evil side does and is probably the best fighter in the trilogy, but she's already experienced at the start of the books. Can't win with female characters.

[@osmanyousif7849]

The problem with the archetype of the “strong female character” is that it’s a perversion of what we mean by which particular character is “strong”. If you want a good example of a strong female character, watch the film Young Adult with Charlize Theron, where she plays the main character Mavis Gary. *SPOILERS* Now to describe Mavis is very easy. She’s selfish, egotistical, delusional, and a bit mentally unwell. She spends the movie trying to get back with her old high school boyfriend, feeling that this will turn her life around, not even accepting the fact that he’s already moved on with his life and has a new wife and daughter, and is perfectly fine. Now that’s a strong character. Not because she’s a warrior, some boxer, or a god-like being, but because she’s written well. She has flaws, complex, contradicts herself, and is imperfect. Like some realistic people. That’s what makes a good and fascinating character, whether male for female. But today, society states that female movie characters who are “strong” have to have no man with back them and make the men look dumb or over masculine, or boorish.

[@summertyme5748]

Confused nonsense from you. Strong character is not the same thing as well written. Your entire screwed up essay simply substitutes one issue for another. *This is known as DEFLECTING.* It is definitely implied in the definition of strong character - that the fictional character has a personality attribute of strength - whether emotional, physical or mental rather than weakness. Why is this an issue? (You seem quite clueless) Because it is a cliche to portray female characters as weak. A weak character can still be well written. A strong character can be poorly written. They are distinct issues. Your essay is really weak for example. Thought it is not badly written technically. *You run away from the issue by trying to change the subject.* That’s weak. The goal of *feminism* - which terrifies you, is to have strong characters that are well written. Such as. ⬇️

[@summertyme5748]

A good example of a character that is strong and well written is Charlize Theron in Mad Max Fury Road, and *not* Young Adult. Young adult is a well written film about a person who is weak. Another example - is AnyaTaylor Joy in Queens Gambit. Another example is Regina King in Watchman. Another example is Park So-Dam in Parasite. Hopefully you have a clue now.

[@rickhunter8484]

"Dont write strong women, write humans" Best thing i heard in a while. Subbed and liked.

[@leroyvermilion7708]

Same.

[@jojoco120]

👏👏👏

[@rickhunter8484]

@@raymorningstar7399 Well kinda?

[@LegacyComics100]

@@rickhunter8484 XJ-9, Storm, Ahsoka, to list a few, but they still need to follow the same rules.

[@rickhunter8484]

@@LegacyComics100 That goes without saying. And who is XJ-9 btw? Never heard of?

[@syberyah]

Hollywood has redefined "strong" to mean an emotionless war machine.

[@hesmybabyflx]

facts

[@psychicmouse1051]

For real

[@nakajimakuro]

Can't agree more

[@SLOTHSRIDEUNICORNS]

Social justice warrior. More like feelings hurt wimps.

[@theblasteffect4499]

a stoic one

[@96vicki]

My favorite scene in Wonder Woman ist when Diana hears a baby crying and she squeaks and shouts "a baby!" in gleefull joy. Its so cute, well acted and reveals a lot about her character, how she is caring but also fascinated because she never has seen a baby.

[@shannonmcelroy8454]

That's right! In fact I think it might even be a carry over from the comics where she was shown to love helping and spending time with kids.

[@cybersearcher1041]

God I wish we got to see more scenes like that. Her ignorance at the world not manifesting as contempt, but as utter and pure joy.

[@TheRisky9]

I love that scene. I have two black belts and sword fight. And I'm just like that when I see a baby

[@HorrorGameFanatik]

If it isn't your favorite scene why bring it up?

[@alexpaulartist94]

It was so fascinating for me , to introduce myself to Wonder Woman or Diana , She was so mesmerizing and fascinating as a character , She felt so great as a character, leaving everything behind and standing for the whole human kind. She felt like a goddess or angel or superior being who had such sensibility and sensitivity and was sensible around the man she loved , leaving all her ego aside ( which she never displayed but its easy to have an ego when you are that strong) that's why I loved wonder Woman, she struggled so hard and trained and did everything and in the end she became what she is, even tho she was born for it , she deserved it because of the person she is unlike Captain Marvel, Diana's vulnerable movements are something that makes her feel so special to me, I didn't like the second part much. If Power is the only quality for someone to like then everyone would have loved Hitler.

[@jernejsrebrnic]

"Hollywood put a wig on toxic masculinity and called it a day." Wow, this is the sentence I have been searching for the last few years. Perfect analogy.

[@chikitronrx0]

Except that, that thing is not "toxic masculinity" being an asshole is genderless. And often portraits as pure only masculine traits, which is not remotely true. These characters are the same bully arrogant, self centered, and we have the same examples of that on male characters that are hated, but for the female characters is another story. It's a double standard because the male ones are often seen as not redeemeable and the second one is just the way it is and justified by some undernead explanations or stories about something that make it look like it is okey to behave that way because of something that happened to them. How is that fine?

[@andrewgreeb916]

Toxic is toxic, no matter what is in their pants. Misogyny is wrong just like misandry (woman hater/man hater), so why is misogyny considered somehow so much worse? I thought we're all people so why are women somehow more deserving of our protection, care, and hollow praise?

[@marshalsunrise6582]

@@andrewgreeb916 because misogyny is looked down upon by men and women but misandry is celebrated and hyped by women, some men and feminist/feminised man and feminists

[@lurji]

@@marshalsunrise6582 lmao

[@Jesei1211]

@@lurji His point is the truth when we have statements like "Putting a wig on toxiv masculinity[...]" while talking ABOUT women. Stop lmaoing.

[@darthzayexeet3653]

“Hollywood is so focused on making their female protagonists strong and independent, they forget to give them character”

[@arannak3826]

Cuz you know? Having a personality is the weakness 😅

[@Tiabliaj1989]

Yeah. Remember what an asshole Ripley kinda was back in the first Alien movie? (From the perspective of making all the right but tough choices like leaving infected crew in quarantine etc). And how she was the sole survivor by being capable, smart and tough? They didn't even have to show her beating up a physically superior/better trained man to prove women could be action heroes too. They were just able to make her both the star of the movie AND a capable hero without drawing attention to her gender by telling a good story and putting a woman at the head. They didn't need to make her seem "special" for being that way. No unique powers or training, just luck and grit.

[@marinavasquez8813]

Exactly

[@hellabella8295]

They forget to make them LIKEABLE! I friggin HATE SHE HULK AND WANT TO SLAP HER! 😂

[@strangehobbyist]

Well it’s true.

[@greywarden1261]

I feel really bad for Natasha, because its literally made a point in Age of Ultron that the thought of not being able to be a mother is soul destroying for Nat, it made her feel inhuman for a long time and less of a woman, but she learned that its not everything that makes her a woman. I think the Black Widow movie should have explored that more, have Nat mourn the loss of her choice to have children and come to terms with it and really uplifting herself despite her loss and have Yelena as the type who never wanted children and feels like a woman. Could've been a great oppertunity to really show off a "no one way to be a woman" that is actually empowering instead of the cookie cutter formula Marvel keeps producing

[@KateCat420]

That would've been awesome, I wish we had gotten that

[@HydratedBeans]

I love when a rando on KZbin writes a better plot than a multi-billion dollar company. That would have been way more interesting. I still like Dr. Strange 2, but her plot felt like character assassination

[@Random_dud31]

@@HydratedBeans i feel like, if wanda didn't resolve her issues in wandavision, dr.strange 2 might have been a great movie. B

[@fooman1188]

Your idea would have been a perfect way to show multiple pathways.

[@Mark---W]

The original cartoon "Mulan" was the true strong definition of a 'strong woman' because she chose to sacrifice herself to join military for her father's place. She wasn't perfect & needed lots of training to be a great Soldier.

[@jamirdreviews9461]

I loved the "Strong women are toxic masculinity with a wig on top" part. That's exactly what it is

[@coops1992]

Nope, Wonder Woman is strong af for real. I hate the fake ''strong women''

[@diekritischestimme]

@@coops1992 Nope, Wonder Woman is a piece of fiction, with no real life reference points what so ever. There are reasons why women do not compete against men in olympic games, or especially martial arts. If you want some good female heroines, look for Sophie Scholl. A hero is defined by character, not by muscle power or artificial super hero abilities.

[@slevinchannel7589]

My, my, do we have to call it Feminist-Hollywood? Ya know that Fmeinists also denounce those Looneys, yeah? Woke doesnt mean Feminism or VIce Versa.

[@greensaintjester6392]

@@diekritischestimme fictional still doesn't mean it cant be written well. I think wonder woman (not saying her movie is absolute masterpiece )and black widow (not in here solo), and mainly scarlet witch are one of that well done female charecter from comic book adaptation. And the point u made on fiction is more wrong when not all movies are not made from real life influenced. And i seen more well written female protagonist from my launguge movie's that even won national award's for acting.

[@GaiaMelki]

Sorry for the interruption but is that a Saint Seiya pfp I see 👀..

[@CH-zc8qx]

I think one of the most underrated feminist movies is Legally Blonde. Elle Wood looks like your typical ditsy blonde. She's extremely girly, wears pink from head to toe, sometimes acts silly, but Elle is incredibly intelligent and capable. Everybody dismisses her as an air-headed barbie but she proves everybody wrong using her own feminine strengths and never changes her feminine demeanor.

[@themoviebudz1988]

So true! Legally Blonde heavily surpassed our expectations in how they treated their protagonist. Elle isn’t afraid to be vulnerable and that’s a great message for anyone and everyone 👌

[@sorateal12]

YES!!! I was thinking the exact same thing!!!! Legally Blonde portrays femininity and girliness as a strength!! These days, it's almost a sin for a female character to be feminine in any way!!

[@TheDaphinator]

I agree I agree. Legally Blonde is my favorite chick flick (and I am not a very big chick flick girl) and I think Elle is the female role model we should be getting these days instead of all these Reys and Captain Marvels. Elle shows you can be a girly girl and incredibly strong at the same time, which I respect so much even though I am not nearly as girly. Plus she is a very likeable character (notice I say "character" and not "woman"). Really says a lot about the current climate when you remember that Legally Blonde came out in 2001.

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

Back in the day I was shocked at how much I enjoyed that movie, and her character. Wasn’t what I thought she was

[@HiHi-lt1cb]

I agree 100%

[@noods9088]

I think Katniss is a a good example of a strong female lead. She has relationships and express love and nurture but that doesn’t make her any less of a badass. The whole point is that she wants to win the Hunger Games to go back to the people she loves, not to just be a stone cold killer a fuck everyone up. She fucks everyone up because people rely on her and love her. We’ve seen her vulnerable throughout the WHOLE MOVIE but that just made her stronger and actually gave her relatable characteristics.

[@antrn5026]

but she cried so weak

[@mazeknox]

I mean..Jennifer Lawrence was the first female action star ever.

[@xxromanovaxx6682]

@@mazeknox what? Sarah Connor, Ripley etc. werent played by Jennifer Lawrence

[@mazeknox]

@@xxromanovaxx6682 haven't you heard? She said so herself. Just search Jennifer Lawrence first female action hero.

[@TheShadowSentinel]

A sad day for culture when young adult dystopias are example of something good.

[@samanthajeffers9339]

I’m really happy you talked about the first Wonder Woman movie. Directed by a woman who knew how to make a good character, awesome music, a great plot about a paradigm shift and keeping your morals.

[@kazekaze1378]

The irony that the first good WW was written by a man and the WW 1984 was written by a woman

[@ruturajshiralkar5566]

Zack Snyder was involved in the first WW movie. The second movie i.e. WW 1984 did not feature Zack Snyder and was entirely written and directed by Patty Jenkins herself.

[@samanthajeffers9339]

@@ruturajshiralkar5566 weird, whenever I watched some films critics praising the movie, they conveniently left his name out but was hyping up Patty

[@ruturajshiralkar5566]

@@samanthajeffers9339 I wonder why

[@isaactsibu-darko6854]

I loved that movie so much...still do😊

[@OmarTafur75]

There's nothing wrong with a female character falling in love, as long as she has a character outside of falling in love.

[@Tevikolady]

For Disney movies I play the Pretty or Problem game. Did the Princess get her happy ending because she was pretty or did the Princess cause a problem she had to then fix? Sometimes, they fall into both

[@peteryang8991]

Both male and female got their strength and weaknesses. Guys might be able to better kick ass, but there are certain things only women can do. For example, hot female spies. I am telling you forget about 007, some of the best spies in history are hot girls. I mean sure you can say it is demeaning to women in some ways, but at the same time you can say they are women that use their sexuality to achieve great things. Depends on how you see it.

[@takekoputa1209]

It annoys me when a movie or show flops and many people are like: Oh it's because people are racist/homophobic/sexist etc... No, it's not! It's because the content sucks.

[@silashurd3597]

Don’t bring those topics into movies people!

[@lanaholic3015]

Shut up

[@coconut2184]

@@lanaholic3015 why are you mad? yikes

[@notyourbusiness2687]

@@silashurd3597 y ?

[@mr.lowbrassrules5214]

@@lanaholic3015 Can you explain why?

[@ErickCastrilloArroyo]

One actress I love to my core is Danai Gurira. Her role as Michone on The Walking Dead is perfect, she is strong and can kill zombies like a badass and she also shows affection and cares about her friends, her relationship with Carl is awesome. That’s how you write a great character

[@waynebimmel6784]

And she was as damaged as every other lead character

[@princesscharis]

I saw her on the Marvel Movie Black Panther and she was awesome! The scene with the car chase was brilliant in my opinion. As for TWD I loved a lot Carol, very badass female character. The walking Dead have loads of feminism (real feminism) in there and you see those really really badass females who can absolutely kill the shit out of you, and they do not bitch ONE time if a man is the "leader" or not! This is what strong women actually thinks..... real feminists who know their abilities and powers, doesn't care if a male is in "charge". They allow the natural leadership of Rick, they disagree times to times, and they simply try to survive, no drama about sex.

[@ErickCastrilloArroyo]

​@@princesscharis loved your comment and I agree 💯 with you. Carol started as a woman afraid of her husband for assaulting her and became a real badass. She saved the entire group when they were capture in Terminus. I loved it.

[@estherokoyen9597]

I actually do think maleficent was a good lead in part one. We saw her entire story, we saw the heartbreak that caused her to turn cold, we saw all that change when she become a mother and that became more important to her and in the end she was happy and metaphorically “let her hair down” she showed strength, she was nurturing, and you connected with her as a person on an emotional level and you were on her team

[@skyjuiceification]

I don't watch movies to connect to characters on an emotional level, sorry, but not sorry.

[@realestsienna]

@@skyjuiceification o…kay??☠️☠️☠️☠️

[@joannroy3278]

​@@skyjuiceificationand you felt compelled to share that useless factoid about you?

[@laughloveshop2618]

“Hollywood just put a wig on toxic masculinity and called it feminism.” VERY succinct description! Very good.

[@3ggshe11s]

It was the same with second-wave feminism. Women succeeded in making inroads to the corporate world, but then someone decided they needed to dress and act like the men around them (remember the garish shoulder pads in women's '80s business suits?), rather than just be women on equal footing with men.

[@HiddenHandMedia]

Huh? Wtf is toxic masculinity?

[@kennethferland5579]

@@HiddenHandMedia How do you come to this video or comment section without having ever heard that term?

[@808INFantry11X]

@@3ggshe11s my problem is with Hollywood like she said they just put a wig on toxic masculinity and called it feminism I call it lazy and irresponsible typically Hollywood.

[@KhadaJhin04]

I'd say it's more or less toxic femininity since it's a lot of women writers and directors expecting praise for bare minimum or straight up horrid movies/shows/books, I feel that a part of fixing the problem is taking accountability for our actions as women, we can be just as toxic, I don't see how a woman who says her movie flopped only because men didn't want to see it after specifically saying she didn't make the movie for men in any way relates to toxic masculinity anyways, same with internalized misogyny, why can't we just say women have some less than stellar qualities that are gender specific, if we can generalize and say toxic masculinity, then sure same goes for us, acknowledging the problems is the first step to solving them.

[@Pssst.ByTheWay]

Dont write strong women, just write good humans Very beautifully said.

[@lowkeyemilia]

@Lettice Gayog yep, strong but not toxic

[@BIOCiiDE]

@@lowkeyemilia I respectfully disagree. It has nothing to do with "Strong not Toxic". Arcane's characters are fundamentally flawed. They feel like real people. There are genuine consequences to failure. I'd imagine the writers of Arcane are quite fond of the earlier season of GoT, as Arcane's Characters aren't immortal. Nobody is safe, and you cannot guarantee everyone will make it out okay. The problem I see with "Modern Hollywood" mainly is character writing. They fill a box, they don't write people.

[@MrDezokokotar]

@@BIOCiiDE I assume you dont play League of Legends? I feel like for those who do, they know which characters are immortal and safe. Which makes it so that not only we know which ones will not die, it also really narrows down the ones that can die.

[@anni1348]

Arcane is an good example. The female leads are all like Jinx or Vi, complex characters with internal motivations, feelings, weaknesses and even mental illnesses, while they are also physically strong and have no issues fighting for themselves, but they fail often times. Also "Legend of Korra" has a good female lead. Many dumb nostalgic Idiots who didn't even watch the show, claim that Korra is an "Mary Sue". While she's in fact not. Korra as a character is your typical arrogant, hot-headed, short-tempered Teenager who doesn't listen to any advise and thinks they know everything better while having no experience, plus in her case while being physically strong and good at bending. As you can see, Korra as a human has many flaws, for example like no empathy and therefore no understanding for her enemies actions, which all strive for more complex political ideologies to justify their sick actions. She trys to solve conflicts through violence instead of understanding. Korra also struggles with her new role as avatar: She builds her entire identity around this one role she's forced into (so she has to find her own identity), she has lacks in her spiritual abilities as avatar, while the entire world tells her she's not needed. Korra fails a lot and then is ashamed of herself, because she's not capable to fulfill this one role perfectly in the way this role requires her to. Through out the series Korra fails over and over again until she hits her lowest point, she suffers from PTDS, which after struggling a lot, leads to her biggest mental development at the end. To point is not to create an flawless or perfect female lead with no toxic traits whatsoever, it's more interesting to have a female character who has struggles and makes mistakes or fails.

[@FireJach]

...Who become strong on our eyes :)

[@ChromeDaimao]

I think the old charlie's angels (Drew, lucy, and cameron) are a perfect example of GOOD "strong" female leads (not to mention all the older stuff like ripley and sarah connor). That movie is campy as hell and ridiculous, sure, but I watched it with my gf recently and she was the first to be like "wow, when they're not preposterously kicking ass they actually just act like real, normal women." They're strong and brave, but vulnerable and flawed. They're always ready to take on the mission, but they worry about relationships, act goofy and dance, cry and react when the villains jab at their insecurities. They like to get made up and feel sexy, but never act full of themselves like sexy just IS what they are. They even do that weird thing guys will never understand where they gleefully smile and squeal, bouncing up and down with excitement (don't front ladies, you know you've done this in real life). I miss that kind of female lead. Now we just get the "I'm superior in every aspect because of my vagina" trope and to whom does that even appeal? definitely not men, and apparently not women either (based on the ones I spend time with) so who is all this even for?? pretty crazy that a cheese fest film like that does female lead better then most, or really all, AAA releases today.

[@mahdita12]

As a woman, I highly agree. The movies mentioned here, I cant relate to them anymore because they dont act like women anymore. I super love the series Charmed where the main characters are bad-ass witches but they have lovelives, work and career problems, they make mistakes too!

[@sm0000]

Sarah Conner, Beatrix Kiddo even Alice from Resident evil are good female action characters

[@bossviper2833]

@@sm0000 "Alice from Resident evil" Alice? A good character. No, she is not. She is a poorly written Mary Sue played by the director's wife who he wanted to push above the existing better characters of the RE franchise.

[@jordanlaquey5325]

The problem with wanda vision is that they brushed off all the bad things she did as justifiable

[@gagerouane7422]

No one will know what she sacrifriced...

[@KingKayro87]

"They'll never know what you sacrificed for them." My sister in Christ, she enslaved a fucking town!

[@abongilezolanipeterson5588]

​@@KingKayro87But also killed the man she loved in order to save the world, and they'll never know. So yes, they'll never know what she sacificed for them

[@brizzany10]

As a black woman, I personally hate most of Hollywood’s “wokeness” on both my race and gender.

[@user-ph6nx2xg9v]

Those guys are just hypocrits. They only do it for points without caring about viewers feelings. And it certainly doesn't do anyone favour.

[@viscountrainbows6452]

The latest Kenobi shitshow is basically Black woman Kryponite. The show was more about Reva, a poorly acted, motivationally muddled, and altogether inconsequential character that only exists as detritus in the SW mythos. She survives getting stabbed by Darth fkn Vader TWICE, and this is supposed to tell the audience that she's... strong? I guess? But she is by all definition, a throwaway character who only exists for DiVeRsItY.

[@donn.4766]

Its that identity politics put on screen. To Hollywood, you are a color/gender/sexual orientation, not what you are as a person.

[@anderajohn133]

Same here! So many films I can’t be bothered watching because of this!!

[@youngling1226]

@@viscountrainbows6452 anyone survives lightsaber attacks in the disney era. They are more colored swords now rather than the 20000 degree weapon everyone wanted to have.

[@kyledougherty2823]

We don’t want STRONG female characters We want strong female CHARACTERS

[@yehorparkhomenko3354]

Periodt😤

[@LegacyComics100]

Strong characters that happened to be female, or a teenage robot, also a Hawkgirl.

[@balabanasireti]

Stolen comment

[@KaiJordan23]

what the fuck does this mean- oh I just realized.

[@angelofdeath1072]

True

[@englishkiwi3051]

Sarah Connor Ellen Ripley Clarice Starling Princess Leia Galadriel and Eowyn Hermione Granger Arya Stark A list of female characters that are very well written and don't have to be loners, be amazing at everything and are happy to have help from both men and other women.... not hard to write a great female characters without turning her into a toxic masculine character!

[@she-venom9842]

You forgot me and Xenomorph Queen

[@Superkid33]

Padme (clone wars version of her is amazing!) Ashoka Tano

[@MelanieJeanneSchons]

Elizabeth Swann!!!

[@Gunsandjewels]

Sheena queen of the jungle!

[@eri_noemi1462]

I'd add a few magical girls to that list, they're well written too. It's a huge genre in Japan and they've mastered how to write strong female characters.

[@jayyzee5708]

Wandavision showed true vulnerability which made for a great character… ANDDDD then they threw it all away and brushed it off by justifying all she did as a mere ‘they wont ever know what you sacrificed for them’

[@danofsteel785]

She may not be the main protagonist, but I think Astrid from the _How To Train Your Dragon_ series is a great modern example of a strong female character. She is the most skilled fighter of her group but doesn't go out of her way to denigrate her male peers for their inferior skill (though her patience is routinely tested by the likes of Snotlout). In the first movie, she expressed contempt and hostility towards Hiccup for not living up to cultural expectations; and it's not just because she's a "strong female character" who thinks she's better but because she's concerned for his safety (albeit expressing it rather coldly). Viking life is an occupational hazard, and Hiccup's lack of physical prowess is a huge detriment in her eyes. When she comes to understand Hiccup's forbidden friendship with Toothless and his individual merits beyond his scrawny appearance, she starts respecting him a lot more, later acting as a voice of reason for when he's feeling troubled. Furthermore, she is his most staunch defender, angrily silencing the villagers when they questioned Hiccup's authority. She doesn't overshadow him; she complements him. They build off of each other to overcome strife. Her strength comes from the content of her character (compassion, loyalty, thoughtfulness, and ingenuity), not from how many dragons/vikings she can beat up at once.

[@_thomas1031]

...GREAT example and explanation, Mate🙌🙌🙌😆

[@STARCR33D]

And plus Astrid is fuckin' hot too

[@Lightguardian_HOH]

Don't forget princess Fiona

[@jacksonjames2489]

One-hundred percent agree. Made my day seeing someone already mention this. She's a great leader in her own right, so good that she doesn't have the lacks that force Hiccup to find his eccentric, alternative strengths. Yet she's so self-possessed that she's capable of also being wise -- taking note that Hiccup is up to something before anyone else starts to catch on -- and humble, ceding the role of leader when she recognizes that Hiccup, precisely due to what would otherwise be his lacks, brings something to the table that she wouldn't. All the while she remains the leader of the troupe, even if Hiccup is its visionary. And adding to that, she's made that much better by the extended exploration of her character that the long-form tv series allow for. Even the romance between her and Hiccup is developed in a patient, mature, respectful, reciprocal manner. Suffice to say, I for one was tremendously impressed with much that HTTYD brought to the table -- and that's coming from someone who wrote off for nearly a decade a friend's suggestion to give it a shot due to assuming it was too childish or 'kiddie.' (Similar experience with 'Avatar,' though I'd say the romance in 'Avatar' is not executed as cogently -- which isn't to say it doesn't make sense or anything like that -- and Ahsoka in 'Star Wars' is great, but for her romance is almost entirely neglected.)

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Heck one year before Wonder Woman, Disney released Zootopia with Judy Hopps and Nick Wilde showcasing both a strong man and woman working side by side!

[@ihaveseenthings0]

You know female empowerment is done well when the character's gender isn’t constantly shoved in your face, in favour of their personality and understanding of their struggles. This is just one of many reasons why Arcane is utterly spectacular

[@rKhael53]

Thank you. The story, the writing is what matters the most. No matter your ideology, just write good stories and people will follow.

[@KuzonEmbers]

Exactly correct!

[@KomissarLohmann]

how can you understand their struggles, if you forget gender? That's absurd. It's like trying to understand the black civil rights movement without race. Just plain stupid lalaland (non-)inspirational mumbo jambo.

[@rKhael53]

@@KomissarLohmann ​ Bruh, do you know a woman can have struggles which aren't necessarily related to her gender ? Like... any human being ? He basically said don't force your feminist message into the viewers throat. Just make good characters (which happened to be female) and a good story in a first place. No matter if your character is male or female... If it's a well-written character, viewers will follow him/her. They will have interest in him/her. Maybe they will root for him/her. And if a message is attached to this character (voluntarily or involuntarily), then it will pass naturally to the audience.

[@MrKarateMain]

Brrroooo I absolutely love arcan and all the girls in there are strong but sooooooo good and relateabld and tough abd fought without being a jerk and cocky like Bree Larson

[@user-ng6io5lt5t76AAZj]

One of the characters that reminds me of this is Elsa. People say she is strong and badass , independent cause of how she doesn't show her emotions while Anna is weak because she is really emotional while reality it's opposite. The reason why Elsa is actually not strong is because she is incapable of showing her emotions she is constantly saying "don't say don't feel don't show" she is suppressing her emotions. That's not what being badass or strong is and that is her struggle in the movie how she is actually weak people really missed that and called her badass for not being able to be emotional...Emotions are part of life and they don't make you weak. Literally this is what toxic masculinity is. Saying how all the Disney princesses are weak because they show emotion...

[@queenarialya]

Anna is overlooked. I mean, look at Mirabel, Isabella, abuela,Pepa and Luisa from encanto, Judy from Zootopia and moana

[@EvelynL.1112]

Poor Anna ​@@queenarialya

[@matthewshanks3684]

Finally a female video essay maker! Why has the algorithm hidden you!!!! It’s nice to hear a female voice on topics like this, Thank-you!

[@Grace-ms7un]

Yay welcome to the rabbit hole of lady essayists. Shanspearse and mina le are favorites of mine

[@jjthe13th]

I watched Avatar The Last Airbender show, and in one scene a formerly chauvinistic guy was apologizing to a female warrior. He said "I'm sorry for treating u like a girl when I should be treating u like a warrior" And she replied *"I AM a warrior (shows her femininity by kissing him on the cheek) But I'm a girl too"*

[@alibrennan5977]

And that was one of the main characters! Character growth!

[@multistanhuhue1601]

Sukki and Sokka are truerly the best

[@jjthe13th]

Aand solid proof that u can write a woman to be strong and capable, WITHOUT sacrificing her femininity. WITHOUT making her a Mary Sue and WITHOUT bashing the men to prop herself up

[@lorenzogeere1956]

Good ol’ Sokka

[@justseanc]

Sukki is probably my favourite female character besides Katara

[@spacedust95]

The reason why I love the animated version of Mulan more than the real life version one is because, in the animated version it shows mulan just like everyone did not have the super strength. With her team mates she pushed through and became strong with everyone else. It showed everyone had some kind of weakness in them but also showed how it did not stop them from achieving their goal. Having vulnerability does not make us weak. It makes us human. But in this society the toxicity is immense. The real life adaptation of mulan showed if you are a god gifted female child you are a hero but if you are born normal it means your only destiny is to get married and bear a child. Its so stupid and dumb. No wonder it got huge amount of hate and disappointment.

[@leeshdee9269]

I love the animated Mulan's montage where Mulan starts off as weak. Not necessarily because she's a girl, but because she's an inexperienced person with no training posing as a soldier. But instead of giving up, she trains harder. She uses her intellect to solve her problems and overcome them. Sure, wrapping the two medals around the pole and using them to hug the pole as you shimmy up may not be the "correct" way to do it, but the goal was to achieve the arrow and she did that. It showed that despite your weaknesses, if you put your mind and body to it you can overcome them.

[@spacedust95]

@@leeshdee9269 Exactly. You worded it perfectly. I agree with the same reason. In animated series they showed it perfectly how she trained through and got over her weakness as an inexperienced soldier. Just like others. It gives me the real life soldier vibe to it. In boot camp everyone including males and females gives their best to become stronger and everyone pushes through tough obstacles. But as you can see in the live action Mulan if you are born with a “Special” power you are considered a hero. If you are weak it means you are pathetic. Being vulnerable is what makes us human beings. Everyone has weaknesses. That doesn’t mean I’m a failure in this world. Every live action Disney ever did was ruined. No wonder people loves the animated version way too much than this live action crap

[@vak.o]

That was a perfect explanation for what happened with the Mulan Live action movie! You captured exactly what was lingering in my mind when I watched it, and you explained it just right, the only language you know to speak is absolute straight fucking facts, respect!

[@spacedust95]

@@vak.o hahaha thank you for your excellent compliment. ❤️

[@DaScorpionSting]

That and cause they filmed it at a providence where they had internment camps, Disney shot themselves in the foot when they thanked them for allowing them to film the movie in the end credits.

[@blondieinbusiness]

YES! I so much agree with you! I am feminist, but I hate this “strong woman without any fears and emotions” type. A good example of a good female character I see in “Mr and Mrs Smith”, “Devil wears Prada” and “Pretty woman”. There are females with different personalities, they do not say on camera “I don’t need men”, they are sexy and strong, they have their own purposes, but also they are vulnerable, as real human beings are! I wish this awful trend will over and we will see more INTERESTING woman, not only strong.

[@enjoyingthedrama.2513]

as a woman I ALWAYS hated it when I see a female character in a movie beside the male character and it’s not just me even my mother and my sister we were always saying “oh here we go miss right is here the one who is everyone falling for her but she won’t choose a man because she is better” we ALWAYS said that, now! i’m watching your video with my mother and my sister and we are so happy that a lot of people saw that too it’s sad that we as females hate other females in movies just because how arrogant and narcissist they had made the characters and what’s more frustrating is the actresses I mean they did read the script before everything right? yet they are okay with it?! this is madness.

[@eugeniosabater8449]

Because they're radical feminist themselves!😂

[@sittingtreeva927]

Also- Katniss from the Hunger Games is a FANTASTIC example of an amazingly written strong female character oh my gosh. I balled so many times because she tried SO hard to be strong, but you also saw her break so many times. Her trauma in the books broke my heart, and the movies did a great job portraying it.

[@adrianrammirez]

I’m a man and Katniss Everdeen is one of my all time favorite characters, but no I’m still sexist because I don’t like rey🤣😒

[@sportschool3537]

@@adrianrammirez I really like the idea of Katniss Everdeen and the idea of Hunger Games as a concept and I enjoyed the movies and think they're good but I think I should have enjoyed the movies much more to be honest... I think it's because I don't really enjoy Jennifer Lawrence as an actress... she's a good actress but a very cold, unrelatable and distant human being and it shows in her acting... I think that if Katniss was played by someone with more soul and more intensity in her the movies would be even better... that said, I did watch all the movies and I do think they're very good movies, don't get me wrong... I just think that Lawrence fails to give a few explosions of emotion in moments that they would be much needed and instead maintains her cool, distant personality... Trying to think of an actress that I'd like for the role but drawing a blank... weirdly enough I think that Daisy Ridley (the poor girl they made act like a robot playing Rey Skywalker... she's actually a really decent actress outside of that mess) would be fantastic in such a role as Katniss... I've seen Daisy in some interviews and she's a really grounded, human and has a strong character and I like that she and the guy that played Finn criticized all the bullshit the directors did (I hope they didn't ruin their careers but it was the right thing to do)... I think that someone like her would be able to show intensity when needed... I 100% believe that the trainwreck that Rey Skywalker is is not her fault... I know Jennifer Lawrence has won an Oscar and she's a very good actress... just her Katniss role while it was good I feel it she could give it even more...

[@tonycastro6386]

I hated how frustratingly defiant Katness is in all of the stories, but that is also why I loved her story arch so much. She really is an example what of an amazing woman character can be.

[@idontwannabeanonymous4725]

Couldn't agree more...

[@knuffelknuffi]

@@sportschool3537 i fully agree just one small thing: rey was and never will be a skywalker, if anything shes a palpatin

[@dejiadeleye5697]

Male Characters: Comedic, Heroic, Cocky, Genuine, Heartfelt, Laid Back, Courageous Female Characters: Empowerment Generators

[@slevinchannel7589]

Watch Owl House or Amphibia then. Made by Non-Woke Feminists.

[@marinavasquez8813]

Agree🎯

[@zaidanhakim4974]

stop strength power equality, encourage fun compelling equality

[@Tevikolady]

Male Characters: Comedic, Heroic, Cocky, Genuine, Heartfelt, Laid Back, Courageous Female Characters: Entitlement Generators Fixed it for you, you're welcome :p

[@Mr.Cold777]

@Strawberry Cake same

[@sepenti]

You did a really good job of covering the elements of this issue and your editing is superb! My only criticism of this video is that I was excited initially to see Wanda go through the grieving process but the show shot itself in the foot at the end. Instead of integrating the pain and growing she runs off without taking any responsibility for how she wrecked so many people's lives. Also how Monica Rambo just diminishes the pain she inflicted with a shoddy cop outline. Anyway, You got your message across very well and I will probably share this with others when this topic pops up!

[@europhann4460]

I love how you bring all of the points together, especially in the continuation of this video you uploaded. Great work, looking forward to your future uploads👍

[@chaoticfangurl567]

One of my main problems with rey in Star Wars is that she hardly ever struggled. She became way too strong too fast without actually showing how she got there.

[@xXIronSwanXx]

Made absolutely no sense for her to go toe to toe with Kylo. They used Palpatine as an excuse to magically grant her the extreme power she has without giving any details as to how that happened.

[@rhaenyralikesyoutube6289]

@@xXIronSwanXx It's through the magic of Force wokeness, don't ya know? 😂😂 In all seriousness, yeah, I don't get it either.

[@xXIronSwanXx]

@@rhaenyralikesyoutube6289 🤦‍♂️

[@KaosNova2]

They threw something in to stop consequences, it bored the hell out of me with TFA, didn’t bother with anything else after that

[@nyetzdyec3391]

Instead of giving us any reason to LIKE Rey... to WANT to accept her... The Disney EMPIRE... FORCEd Rey down our throats... so, naturally, a lot of people REBELled.

[@ninenezumi]

"Toxic masculinity is okay, so long as it's done by a woman". Also, your channel is so underrated, you earned a sub.

[@hanburgundy4317]

Not disagreeing with your comment, but just commenting on the topic. I don't see what's so "toxic" about masculinity - leastwise, men being macho, capable, badasses; some of us are lol Others are cowering, submissive types. Others put on a tough front, but are insecure and vulnerable. But some of us are tough; some _do_ "eat nails and spit fire" - some are heroes, who do the incredible and face fear and danger - and there's nothing wrong with that. Nowadays, if a male character possesses these traits, it's done in a joking manner - or, he's portrayed as a villain; either transparently or _secretly_ , as is usually the case nowadays. The latter teaches the idea that men - even and especially those who seem truly good - are always secretly douchebags.

[@BeardedWolfKing]

@@hanburgundy4317 its not masculinity thats toxic but i get your point. Its not like most of these male lead movies portray an "eww i dont like femininity", their just the typical strong guy. Maybe there are some but mostly its the usual macho, a very built badass that everyone wants. But then agian, maybe its bc of how theres a FUCKTON of these male macho leads are made and keep getting milked that it sets an expectation to men as time goes on and more of these films gets released. And considering how toxic masculity wasnt really taken seriosly even back then, promosting more and more of this idea of a man is kinda problematic thats just how i see it though

[@firestriker3580]

@@BeardedWolfKing it isn’t

[@firestriker3580]

@@BeardedWolfKing no there isn’t

[@firestriker3580]

@@BeardedWolfKing There is no toxic masculinity

[@ayshafariha290]

Where was your channel all this time I cannot explain how happy I am to hear what I really think about modern "feminism" from another human being I mean the whole thing and how you put the thought into words which I can't sometimes when I'm saying this to someone is amazing Thank you , genuinely.

[@davidhock4909]

I apologize because I just discovered you, but your content is just SO. WELL. MADE. You practice what you preach. It’s very thoughtfully constructed-like the Wonder Woman leitmotif on the title card, which made me laugh. I also just watched your video on broken villains (Kylo Ren and Jinx), which I loved. Thanks for making these!

[@lucivee6755]

When I was a girl I dressed and acted like a tomboy because I was under the influence that "girly" girls were all stupid and only cared about fashion and looking good. If you dressed like a boy and acted tough though, you were cool and you suddenly had a brain. I actually got a lot of recognition from other kids when I dressed boyishly, and even my teachers acted like that sometimes. I'm fine with being feminine now, while also occasionally enjoying dressing more masculine, and it's nice to be comfortable with myself again :)

[@phadenswandemil4345]

The internet calls "acting like a tomboy because i want to be seen as cool / taken seriously by adults and boys" the "not like other girls (nlog)" phase. I've been through it too. It's great to fully embrace my feminity. I think there are definitely people out there who don't take me seriously because of it, but I'm way past caring what other people think now.

[@MaidenOfHusbands]

I remember thinking this way when I was little but then I realized it was honestly probably because I was gay as fuk because even though I thought that way when I was really little I still did feminine things because it's like... who the hell cares? Genuinely why do you care so f****** much?? Especially if you're an adult and I'm a kid... Especially if I'm an adult and you're an adult and we can finally mind her own f****** business and do whatever we want because we are adults?.. how is it masculine and how is it feminine if I'm a woman doing this? No matter what it's automatically feminine because a woman is doin it. I wasn't about to listen to that random sexist b******* that genuinely never ever made sense to me while boys got to literally have all the fun in the world and do whatever they want while we were forced to mature and act civil. While they got to bully us because apparently that was boys having a crush (even when they literally didn't) on us but we couldn't bully them back because that's not how girls act because boys are the tough ones and boys are the ones who are able to be abusive to girls they like and then two later grow up to abuse the women they like and women grow up to accepting abuse because it's their boyfriend loving them.

[@Ailieorz]

I feel you, but I've always been more masculine and the most annoying thing now is that I actually feel I was more accepted back in the 90s than I do now. Back then, it was considered ok to 'be like a boy' but now being masculine is considered bad. I get more flak now for my muscular body than I did 20 years ago. Apparently now I'm a bad example for young girls eventhough I can outlift any of the pouty faced women in these movies. Yeah, I'm the bad example for letting my body grow and adapt to what I'm doing instead of focusing on staying skinny to be considered 'attractive'

[@3ggshe11s]

The difference now is that being masculine makes you a boy, in the eyes of the woke. You can't just be a girl who likes boyish things, as if "boy" and "girl" are just costumes you put on. One day we'll see how destructive this has all been to girls and women, hopefully not too late.

[@oliviab4079]

I feel this, when I was young I had my room painted bright pink because it was my favorite color as a kid. But as I got older I grew to resent how “girly” it was. It took so long to overcome that internal misogyny and find my room cute again

[@elis2506]

this made me realize why I feel so annoyed by Captain Marvel. I saw someone say that "oh so male characters liek Tony Stark can be arrogant and sarcastic but Captain Marvel can't?" I couldn't think of a rational explanation why Tony worked and Captain Marvel didn't, but now I realize it's because she showed no other traits or charactertistics, no struggles. In Iron Man, Tony started as sarcastic and ignorant but he grew and we saw vulnerability in him. With captain Marvel, she started sarcastric and ignorant as well but then just... stayed that way, with no change to her character and learned nothing along her journey. She's just arrogant for the sake of being arrogant.

[@amys0482]

How many iron man movies are there? How many captain marvel movies are there?

[@elis2506]

@@amys0482 I'm talking about the first Iron man movie alone

[@amys0482]

@@elis2506 I liked Captain Marvel. I think the criticism of this movie is overblown. Carol Danvers had enough of a character to me. She spends most of the movie not remembering where she came from and being told to check her power by not being emotional so obviously that's a different character journey than Tony Stark. I can understand that this movie isn't for everybody. The 90s theme is a little overplayed for jokes and the feminism angle is a little simple but I don't think it is a badly told story. I would put it somewhere in the middle of the Marvel movies. I actually think it's a little better than the typical origin movie, Iron Man being the best of those. I am also suspicious of complaints about this movie given the troll campaign to review it as "rotten" before it even aired.

[@muhaoai4693]

@@amys0482 I hated that movie because of behind the scenes stuff, primarily the treatment of Mar-Vell, the original Captain Marvel. Long story short, in the comics Mar-Vell is a Kree who came to Earth, fell in love with the planet and its people, and chose to defend it even against his own people. He was even Thanos' archenemy for quite some time. After his death, there were 3 others who carried the Captain Marvel name: Monica Rambeau, and his posthumous children Genis-Vell and Phylla-Vell. Only after that did Carol Danvers take the title. Up until Captain Marvel, I thought the MCU did a really good job of streamlining character origin stories (e.g. Thor doesn't get trapped as Dr Don Blake and need to tap his cane to transform, Iron Man's origin is shifted from Vietnam to the Middle East). But for Captain Marvel, they just flipped Mar-Vell's gender from male to female and called it a day. Even Yon-Rogg, the villain of that film, was originally Mar-Vell's arch-nemesis and part of the reason he decided to remain on Earth. That'd be the equivalent of introducing the Flash as Wally West (i.e. the 2nd modern Flash) and off-handedly mention Barry Allen (the 1st modern Flash) as some regular policeman who was gunned down. Like... what a waste of a character with lots of history.

[@amys0482]

@@muhaoai4693 I haven't read the comics but Mar-Vell's history doesn't sound that interesting to me. Based on what you described here, we got the gist of it in the movie. The Kree are a dominating empire and Mar Vell is a Kree who turned against them to defend weaker cultures in danger of extinction, first the Skrulls but also Earth. Mar-Vell is a woman instead of a man. How does that make Captain Marvel a bad movie? The story isn't about Mar-Vell. I guess I dont understand the attachment to the history since there are so many comic book super heroes and a lot of contradictions. Nearly every iteration makes choices. To me, this movie can only be 'hated' if you have a political position against women being super heroes or swallow a lot of dubious opinions about feminism from people who do. Beyond that, it is at worst an average movie. I think it is a little better than average.

[@kukkinklance8919]

This video was really cool! Just wanted to say - I love the way everything in this video was organised into its own sections. It made it so much easier to understand and it was such a fun watch!

[@SomeRandomDevOpsGuy]

What a top notch essay and editing. You've got some mad potential. Keep it up. (your voice is soothing as well) Thanks for the content.

[@yderga8707]

Hollywood in the 1950s: All women are one dimensional and lack emotional depth Hollywood in the 1980s-2k: Hey did you know women can be badass? Here are some badass women you can look up to. Hollywood in 2010+: All women are one dimensional and lack emotional depth

[@tommasofazio7586]

Your comment is underrated but extremely accurate.

[@TheaterPup]

Um, I suggest you do a bit more research into 1950s and before Hollywood.

[@TheaterPup]

@@tommasofazio7586 Not even slightly.

[@yderga8707]

Have done my research, and as an avid fan of classical movies I can tell you women were depicted as one dimensional. Brainless, incompetent, weak etc. Or did you just skip the whole Honeymooners era? Also you might want to actually give a counter argument other than. "Trust me bro you're wrong, you do the research".

[@TheaterPup]

@@yderga8707 Dude, you saying "I'm a fan" is hardly evidence of anything. Check out film noir if you want to see strong female characters in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. You also got the completely wrong message from Honeymooners.

[@anonymousme9202]

A female character that I love is Elizabeth Swann from Pirates of the Caribbean. She showed a lot of growth but it never felt forced. She held her own without the male characters having to be dumbed down or bashed.

[@insultlk]

I can agree with that but giving her leadership seemed very forced

[@anonymousme9202]

@@insultlk That's a very subjective thing tbh. I thought it felt natural within the framework that they had established and the fact that the characters themselves were surprised by this development made it seem more authentic to me. But again, every person interprets things differently and these are just opinions at the end of the day, whether yours or mine. :)

[@insultlk]

@@anonymousme9202 It didn’t really make sense or tie anything to the story. It just kinda showed that women can be leaders too considering that captains were usually always males but yeah kinda the way u interpret it but who knows

[@anonymousme9202]

@@insultlk but that's the thing right. Jack didn't vote for her because he thought she'd be a good leader or anything. He voted because her stance on going to war was in his favour according to him and because the plans of action proposed by the other pirates did not fit in with his strategy. So it was a mere tactical move on his part. Noone else voted for her. It would have been weird if Barbossa and others had also voted for her and she had become some sort of unanimous leader of the pirates. But they did not and they did not expect Jack would do that either. In fact, after her election the pirates actually diasgreed at first and only when Jack referenced the Code did they agree to abide by the election result. So getting the power was not something her character achieved and it wasn't even an inheritance or a recognition of her superiority or anything. It was just Jack enacting his plan. The fact that Jack would have voted for anyone who helped him achieve his goal means that elizabeth specifically had nothing to do with it. If somone else had been more useful to him, jack would have voted for that person.

[@insultlk]

@@anonymousme9202 fair enough

[@mitchliam974]

Watching this after Emily Blunt saying that she hated the "strong female lead" caricature is great. I hope this gets through to Hollywood cause I for one am tired.

[@EVILICIOS]

I randomly came across your video on my YT home page and my god, what a gem! Instant sub!

[@jeanhubsch4757]

The irony of Elizabeth Banks is that she starred in a massively successful franchise that had a great female lead - The Hunger Games - then she made dreadful movies and blamed men for the failure claiming men do not want female superheroes. I don’t care about the gender of my superheroes but they must be human, relatable and someone to look up to.

[@neo-filthyfrank1347]

cringe

[@icy-lemon-limeyesiwasthatt7439]

for me it is all about entertaining, lik I do not care if the character are relatable or human so long that they are fun and enjoyable to watch like mayuri kurotsuch from bleach. he is not relatable, moral or even human but I just love his over-the-top mad science performance

[@KingBasieSims4]

What's even more cringe is her being in a Charlie's Angel and blaming men for not wanting to see female leads, instead of accepting horrible it was, yet men have BEEN supporting the franchise since the times of Farrah Fawcett. I know ultimately you basically said this, but I needed to emphasise this especially since even females found the new CA boring as hell, yet she blames it on men instead of accepting that that version of CA was the worst.

[@shazattack3711]

@@KingBasieSims4 Also, why is it that she didn't have an issue with the fact women couldn't be bothered to go see it? They are half the potential market/customers...

[@gouravadhikary8629]

They don't even have to be relatable for me to like them. Superman isn't relatable. He's an ideal that society should strive to be. It's the journey where his ideals are challenged, and the decisions supes make (by constantly never giving up to the dark side) is what makes him so good.

[@lordodysseus]

I think vulnerability and emotions are great ways to show strength.

[@PrionicProteins]

Bingo, Reyson, and that's why what's-her-face's remarks about "Men should see female led-movies because we see male-led movies" is so infuriating. It's pig-ignorant of film history.

[@briansneary7535]

@Best Peace "Fear is a superpower" - Doctor Who

[@SeasideDetective2]

Yes, of course! Without emotions you can't have anger, and sometimes you need LOTS of anger to kick ass.

[@Flufferz626]

I thought about this after seeing Dune with the main female lead, Lady Jessica. She is extremely powerful, but emotional. Her internal dialogue in the books shows the struggles she goes through as the mother of the main protagonist. She becomes more strong and powerful that way.

[@commandercaptain4664]

It's amazing how subverting toxic masculinity with toxic femininity, this approach fails the Bechdel test it so desperately wants to kowtow.

[@ladyvignette]

Excellent video. Also gotta say, with the mentions in the comments about strong females, Nancy from Stranger Things comes to mind. She's an unequivocal bad-ass -- independent, feisty, and fearless, but also wraps her identity around men at certain points in her story, has emotions, wears girlie clothes, and has depth. And I love her for it. She's a effing icon.

[@MrEvasto]

Your work rocks and rules! Thank you for what you bring!

[@ajgameguy3674]

I swear, Live Action Mulan will always mystify me in how it fucked up damn near everything. Mulan was already an empowering story for women, it had her go from being prepared to be a housewife to learning how fight in the army to help her father, learning through harsh training and grit how to be a warrior. She had a decent relationship with her fellow soldiers and was generally a likable character. If the director wanted to make an empowering movie for women, they had all of the ingredients to at least make a passable live action Disney remake. They didn't have to worry about weird and jarring special effects like with Aladdin or Lion King, they didn't need to make the lead more "interesting" by taking traits from other characters and putting them on the lead like in Beauty and the Beast, etc. It was so easy. But no, let's give Mulan magical powers that makes her acrobatic and powerful by nature, removing the whole "training to be strong" thing that made Mulan empowering. Let's add a female villain that does nothing but preach about how Mulan is being put down. Let's make Mulan as interesting as a piece of cardboard. It was like the directors went out of their way to make the remake suck and the antithesis to what made Mulan work.

[@peteryang8991]

A recent India movie based on real story of a 16 years old girl sold into sex trafficking turn the table, but she still ally herself with men. She first ally herself with the 2nd biggest crime boss of India that despite do drug trafficking, also do a lot of vigilante work. (India police of the time is far too corrupt) She is later elected as Mayor and push for a series of reform and also got the support of the President. She might be a strong women, but she also got many people helping her, most of them are men.

[@youreembarrassing9484]

@@peteryang8991 what's the title?

[@a.r.r507]

@@youreembarrassing9484 I think its called Gangubai Kathiawadi

[@lirenxin5472]

Mulan is so good in the original disney version, I am Chinese and I enjoy its story, even though its different from what we learned in class of Mulan's story But now, the movie is just crap, and Chinese people don't buy into that shit about Qi.

[@livrk8005]

Yeaah the message of live action Mulan basically is "Women can't be strong UNLESS they have magic powers" which is the opposite of empowering xD

[@Dark_Peace]

"there was never a female hitler because women never had access to that much power" Merciless médiéval Queens : hold my bloodstained crown

[@magicarp79]

Exhibit A: Saint Olga of Kiev. The one saint you don't want to mess with. 😂

[@stefanoputignano1555]

Bloody Mary: hold my gibbets

[@Gabi-dd7bq]

Elizabeth Báthory: Hold my bath of blood.

[@miscielrossvillegas6307]

There could be female hitlers in history. We just have to dig through history revisions and question the victors who wrote them.

[@dustinmaxwell259]

Red Ice (KZbin). I swear that woman could have been Hitler's granddaughter.

[@borrow4654]

The quality of this video is honestly incredible. I can see this channel blowing up if this continues

[@miriambergo]

Great job! Amazing insights, hilarious edition, brilliant arguments. I dodged wonderwoman because I thought it would be more of the same, but now I'll go check it out.

[@RedRoseSeptember22]

We all need to stop being in denial. Men and women *NEED* each other. Supporting one another helps to create a functioning society.

[@nansiipii9018]

No they don't NEED each other stop being a karen then can heve eachother if they want but they fony need eachother

[@nansiipii9018]

And supporting eachother is diffrent with nedding eachother and gay people exist you know?!

[@nyetzdyec3391]

@@nansiipii9018 You're half right... Men don't need women. Fortunately for most women, most men WANT and LIKE women.

[@nansiipii9018]

@@nyetzdyec3391 most men ?! 😂 yeah you're telling it like you've been on an interview with these most men and wanting and needing is so much of a diffrent thing

[@nansiipii9018]

@@nyetzdyec3391 most men ?! 😂 yeah you're telling it like you've been on an interview with these most men and wanting and needing is so much of a diffrent thing

[@RoseDotWav]

“Don’t write strong women, write humans.” *That part right there*

[@LimeReversed]

""Hollywood didn't even try, they just put a wig on toxic masculinity and called it a day" That's the most quotable remark I've heard in a long time. Well said.

[@RiddleDoodle79]

Nice, just...nice, nicely done...I like the description and research u guys have done, applause

[@jonathanvilario5402]

"Don't write strong women, write humans" pretty much sums it up perfectly

[@blackvelvetbabi6692]

It doesn’t sum up anything because not every movie or show is written for regular humans🤦🏾‍♀️ fiction is fiction people need to realize that movies and shows are for entertainment not school and being normal.

[@ktbecstasy]

@@blackvelvetbabi6692 I bet u a feminist 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@blackvelvetbabi6692]

@@ktbecstasy acatually no Im a normal female that knows the difference between reality and REAL life and FICTIONAL ENTERTAINMENT. People are dying and suffering in the real world but yall fussing over fictional female characters being too strong. smh

[@ktbecstasy]

@@blackvelvetbabi6692 And u are on KZbin, why aren't u helping them dying peeps out there

[@ktbecstasy]

@@blackvelvetbabi6692 Don't use suffering n death as an excuse, u just mad they called u out as a Femi... something something

[@ryleighs9575]

"Don't write strong women - write humans" Thank you. Also Gal Gadot fucking rocks.

[@blackestcrow3659]

That imagine video was roughy though.

[@mohammadnaghizade3544]

Gal gadot really cant act though.

[@justinharris2320]

Isn't she pro-genocide? And yes, the imagine video was rough to watch...

[@shazattack3711]

@@francisxavier1633 The second movie was total trash in every respect.

[@BennyLindo]

She is a TERRIBLE actress. A hot girl who reads her lines thinking she’s pulling off a strong woman looking beautiful and being the whole package. But failing miserably at it. It’s so cringeworthy!

[@Bond8887]

Ive never seen you ever in my life until now but after watching this whole thing im gonna stay here. Youre 🔥

[@bobsaget832]

Good stuff! Very well articulated and well thought out points.

[@cosmor7521]

Also: Katniss Everdeen. Awesome female protagonist. She wanted love, and peace, and her own family to be taken care of, and strength, and to have a sense of stability. She was angry at times, and jealous, and rude, but she overall just believed in herself and all she was. She loved fashion because of Cinna, and she loved herself enough to forgive herself for many things. Great character!!

[@bgos4727]

She was too stoical for my taste

[@cosmor7521]

Bg Os I can understand that yeah

[@IamCyBo]

There I just have to add that the books were definetly better at giving Katniss the depth she needed than the movies

[@cosmor7521]

CyBo absolutely! I agree

[@miloscott6617]

Yeah Katniss is a strong female character that I actually, well… enjoyed. She was flawed, imperfect, and guess what? SHE WAS ABLE TO LOSE. Which made her stronger, unlike Rey or Captain Marvel who didn’t need any strengthening and were already perfect. That didn’t make her a bad character, it made her believable and relatable. And that made you care about the character. When she lost her sister, I actually felt for her. When Rey lost… oh, hang on, she didn’t lose anything. When Captain Marvel lost… oh wait, she DIDN’T LOSE ANYTHING. Everything was given to her. We need more Katnisses and Ahsokas and Wonder Woman’s (Not the one from WW84, the GOOD WW).

[@drooms108]

This was a real eye opener! “Feminist” theme movies don’t really interest me because they’re hardly relatable. A true strong women has shortcomings, displays vulnerability, and goes through character development. It also made me realize that an independent woman ≠ men hater but rather someone who has healthy relationships.

[@jacquelinej2036]

Well to put it even more straight forward, one of the more recent example is Camille Vasquez from the Depp v Heard trial. We don't know much about her so we don't know much about her shortcomings, vulnerability, etc, but we know that she's a normal human being. But the reason why a lot of people look up to her and view her as a role model and hero especially for young girls, is because she just does her job well and being competent at what she does. Just honest, no bs lecturing to the audience feminist talking points. So we don't even have to know much about her back story, and people are already drawn to her as a hero/role model even more than manufactured hollywood strong female characters. CV showed us that it's not complicated to write a strong female character, but somehow hollywood and mainstream entertainment can't even produce that. In fact, they hate women like CV that actually shows competence, intelligence, grace, and honesty. Why? Because those are the things they lack and they can't stand actual successful strong and competent women in real life.

[@joannamonique707]

Strong men also deal with these things but for some reason we're okay not seeing that side of them but when women don't show that side of them we are demonized for it.

[@joannamonique707]

@Knox2Don I didn't say anything about men being vunerable...I said we're cool NOT seeing vulnerability in men so I'm not sure why you responded how you did. Go take your anger out somewhere else if you can't even make a logical response to what I said bro 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@winda4913]

As a feminist woman, I agree.

[@valoraboveall5793]

I would probably say that there is no such thing as an independent man or woman at all, we often forget the importance of all types of human relationships(for better or worse) and how they effect/motivate us. No one is self contained or independent which is a problem with the macho man and feminists tropes which makes them both unrelatable.

[@bautistalasheras3410]

Great video. A lot of what you said has crossed my mind but you put it together in a very eloquent way.

[@CrisistentialXS]

Found you on EFAP, loving your content!

[@mr.whatzittooya8339]

Buffy is a great example, she is feminine and kind and loves “girly” stuff like fashion yet she’s a strong badass!

[@TheShadowwarrior80]

She also makes a lot of mistakes that causes problems for everyone in the show. What makes her a great example for a well written character is that she learns from it and tries to do better the next time.

[@leelight2301]

exactly

[@riptide380]

found the comment i was looking for. Thank you for remember about the legend herself 👍🏻

[@edejan]

Exactly!

[@Meta_Meech]

And that’s why even as a boy, Buffy was one of my favorite shows as a kid. It was that “Angel” spin off that I hated

[@madelinemulder3794]

Regarding Emma Watson’s role as Belle in Beauty and the Beast When my mom and I saw the film we left the theatre saying that Emma Watson played Belle like she was Hermione dressing up as a princess. She brought no character to it and ruined an iconic Disney female. I wanted to be Belle, she was intelligent, beautiful, didn’t take no BS, and was strong without being a powerhouse woke female who needed to save other people from the bad male character ✊✊✊ AND Belle didn’t fight off Gaston, not because she was weak but because he was a 6’4 220 lb man. (Also side note anyone else notice that the people who hate woke female characters are women themselves who realize the flaws in the trope. Funny how that works)

[@peterpuke2841]

The average Twitter woke feminist would say "so you're just another misogynist woman brainwashed by the patriarchy for saying that" but no, really as a man I appreciate that even women knows that all this Hollywood woke movement is pure bullshit, it makes me feel a bit more of hope into this world despite of the current situation.

[@Chatherbox]

It's because wokeness doesn't leave room for sincere, critical feedback, least of all from men. When we offer our honest thoughts, we're labeled as sexist. So why participate in the conversation?

[@sambanaei2984]

Awesome video, you described the issues with modern movies very well and it makes me happy that i see others, specially smart women like you see the issue as well. I was doubting that there is something wrong with me or maybe i am actually sexist 😂

[@richardbetances9096]

Nutsa, thanks for the video, as it was very entertaining, informative, and straight to the truth. Especially, with your end comment "Just make a woman", and I agree Wonder Woman and Wamda Vision were in my opinion, spectacular for those reasons - you can relate to these figures and therefore, will always have a strong need to return and see them over and over again. Really also enjoyed how you added some humor and effects to bring the point home.

[@emmanuelatti86]

One of the problems with Hollywood is that, as long as the character tick the correct representation boxes, they can't tell the difference between being badass and being an asshole. That's why so many of their feminist characters are so profoundly unlikable. I go to a movie hoping to be entertained for a couple hours by flawed but likable characters and then I end up like "how the heck do you expect me to root for that character when she behave like a moralizing and entitled bully?".

[@muhaoai4693]

I think that that applies to both male and female characters, honestly. Like as I grew older and met more people I realised that people like Grimlock from the Transformers or Wolverine from the X-Men or Batman, characters praised as badasses, are more often than not assholes you'd hate to work with in real life. When they're well-written, you can totally see the badass aspect. Wolverine the last one standing when the X-Men are taken down, relying on his guts and his skill to pull through. Batman figuring out what needs to be done and the best person to go about it. Grimlock understanding that sometimes, the best strategy _is_ to just charge in and smash everything, and convincing others of the same. But when poorly written, I really fail to see how they're different from bullies and jerks themselves. Batman insisting everything has to be done _his_ way. Wolverine being contemptuous of people in charge despite _knowing_ how hard it is to be a leader and not wanting that burden himself. Grimlock not getting that fighting and destroying your enemy isn't the only way to win a war (especially if in the course of destroying your enemy you destroy yourself too). I think the only thing that pushes them over someone like the MCU Captain Marvel is that MCU Carol Danvers often gives off this air of smug superiority that makes her much more unlikable.

[@iurivanastacio3081]

You fight, guts. U are always right

[@dilaraswan1253]

sorry but you lost me cause of ur pfp berserk has rape as fanservise lol and manga in general has a lot of AH men represented as badass hollywood too actually

[@orlandocespedes991]

@@muhaoai4693 Captain Marvel is extremely nice. He despises no one. You're a liar.

[@KaosNova2]

Point is, Hollywood is fast food filmmaking for most of the box office draw. They get the money from that, they do more of it because money is the loudest voice

[@ToonamiT0M]

"Put a wig on 'toxic masculinity' and called it a day." I have never heard the issue so perfectly express in such a succinct way. As a man, I love seeing capable, well written female characters that can stand as equals with male characters. Excellent video!

[@LegacyComics100]

He-Man: revelations: Teela: I tried calling for, but you were gone. Prince Adam: I DIED!!! Teela: Shut up, this isn’t about you! Loki: Welcome to the club pal. Sylvie: This isn’t about you. Loki: You know you were originally created from my magic in the comics, I should get all the credit. *Loki gets kicked in the nuts*

[@JoakimOtamaa]

@@LegacyComics100 Imagine a scene where a guy kicks a woman straight to the crotch, because "funny"? Would never happen .I suppose that kick on Loki's snowballs was meant to be funny scene, but no.

[@wraithhh098]

the editing in this video is amazing, its suprising you dont have more subscribers.

[@_averageenjoyer_]

I know this is a year late but thank you for that video. It perfectly summarises my problems with feminism in modern movies

[@justarandomguy1652]

"We don't need a strong female character, we need a strong chacracter that happens to be a female" - Some guy on KZbin that I can't remember his name.

[@inventionscreator8875]

Sun Tzu?!

[@squishyslush1166]

yeah I remember that, maybe schaffrillas?

[@littleangpao1322]

I remember this but i forgot who said it (commenting so that if someone remembers, ill be notified)

[@thedonk2]

Must be a random guy

[@timothyjohnson5699]

You may be referring to Filmento, on his analysis on Captain Marvel, I believe. Wait- no, it's more likely his Charlie's Angles video.

[@Ledinn]

I think that Anne from Anne with an E is also a perfect example of a well-written female character. She loves feminine things, but also won't hate on women who do like masculine things. She tries to understand everybody to the best of her abilities. Yes, she does get shown around romantic interest, but it isn't the only love that's being shown. She shows love to her new family, to her friends, and to all the people who have never been shown love before. She doesn't drag anyone down, but tries to lift everyone up. If anyone perfectly encapsulates what you should be doing as a feminist, it's Anne.

[@starial]

ikr!! such a well written series with such a nice actress

[@jaakkopontinen]

I watched maybe one and a half seasons with my wife, really liked the production and most of the cast. Queen's Gambit was also great, though the writing went into dead-ends at times it seemed. But what do I know, I have no problems with Captain Marvel or Rey. Action badabingbadaboom kinda stuff. I dunno. Normal.

[@cwt_arts582]

Anne was always like that in the book and the original series as well (the one with Megan follows). She, along with a handful of other characters, is the reason that I find these modern ‘feminist characters’ so bizarre. It’s almost like they’re showing off the fact they’ve got a strong female lead like it’s something new and never seen before. When in reality, these new characters are far less compelling than those who have come before. For both men and women, every character is defined by their emotions, relationships, reactions and actions. So someone like Anne Shirley is so much more compelling than captain marvel. Someone like Katniss Everdeen is a fantastic character. Jane Eyre is a fantastic character. They all love, they all go through some hard times, and they all behave like people. Not ‘strong women’ - real people. . Modern Hollywood feminism is seemingly just the traditional idea of emotionally closed off male strength placed onto a female character. And it’s just not as compelling as someone well written, whether that be male or female.

[@Ledinn]

@@cwt_arts582 I agree, I am planning to read the books because I didn't know they existed before I watched almost everything, so I would assume she would be the same in the books

[@rosiejen]

@@cwt_arts582 I haven't watched the show so I can't speak about that, but Anne in the books was beautifully written. She was a strong character, essentially feminine but believed in educating herself despite what society said. Granted she lived in the 1800s so she did have a few regressive views, but overall she was a passionate character, just as human as anyone else. LM Montgomery did a beautiful job of her character traits and development.

[@femboy5332]

Phenomenal video essay. Completely agree that we shouldn’t teach kids that you need to be emotionless and dominating to be strong, for both boys and girls

[@sophiarios8173]

Wonderfully made video, the intros were really cool!

[@EchoEckoEkho]

Wonder Woman sold me on her character when she exclaimed "A baby!" When she was wandering around London. Not having any maternal interest is another common aspect of "strong female characters".

[@Kay-jn3wn]

Yes! This is such an overlooked issue!

[@lucasheinrich9377]

So not having maternal interest is what makes a female character bad?

[@madamebkrt]

@@lucasheinrich9377 What a knowingly ignorant comment.

[@roa3432]

Yea I noticed that too. Like why do we have to strip every feminine aspect from a woman just to her see as powerful? A woman shouldn't have to be stripped of her femininity and become masculine just to be seen as powerful.

[@madamebkrt]

@@roa3432 100%

[@alejandragarcia1403]

I liked Beth from queens gambit. She was intelligent, dreams, meaningful relationships, girly, a badass and femenine. She had meaningful relationships, romantic interests, friends. She was everything above and was not lesser than

[@coops1992]

They did overrate her a lot though. No woman has ever been even amongst the best 7 chess players in the world.

[@solsth31m]

@@coops1992 i don't think she's meant to represent a real life person

[@ciscornBIG]

That whole show was a lie, sweetie. Get better heroes.

[@jillreyerma7592]

@@ciscornBIG What?

[@itzrainy_outside4450]

@@ciscornBIG Eh? What does that even mean?

[@mateuszmarciniak2828]

Ooooooh, I didn't realise until now I've seen your video before I even saw you on EFAP 😃

[@gooogoo2137]

well written strong women in movies: -Sarah Connor (T1,T2) -Leia Organa (SW 4-6) -Padme Amidala (SW 1-3) -Ashoka Tano (SW TCW) -

[@colton6273]

My biggest problem is Capitan Marvel because she is supposed to be a “strong female character” but ends up just being emotionless and half the time is holding a stern looking face for no reason.

[@manonfroment6733]

Yeahhh but in the MCU we have Wanda who is a true Queen

[@user-dk6cj6qs7x]

@@FrostedSnowFlakes- it was more like wandavision finale than doctor strange

[@kietdo4379]

@@FrostedSnowFlakes- The story might be not good but she sure is not belong to the Woke side. I said she is a perfect example of how human overcome their own struggle.

[@the_real_idoit8166]

@@FrostedSnowFlakes- well I’m guessing the darkhold kinda brought that urge back I mean that’s the only thing I could think of to explain that movie

[@mafiabosslvl1007]

kinda sad because brie larson is an amazing actor. her role as envy was way more better feminism than captain marvel will ever be.

[@alleycat2297]

I think Katara from ATLA is one of my favorite female characters. She used to get a lot of hate, but she’s emotional, vulnerable, has real flaws, moments where she gets jealous and loses her temper, is very ‘feminine’ if we want to stick to gender binaries, breaks down, even runs away crying when Aang accidentally burns her, and yet she’s one of the most powerful benders in the show, learns to FREAKING bloodbend, and could give both Zuko and Aang a run for their money. Most people seem to prefer Toph over Katara, and while I like Toph well enough, I can’t help but notice Toph has a lot of typically ‘boyish’ traits, she has her moments of weakness too and is not a bad character by any means, but she’s certainly a lot less ‘girly’ and was meant to be a powerhouse who maintained a calm & collected (sometimes even smug) facade in a fight 90% of the time. Why are we expected to respect female characters only when they display all the same traits associated with toxic masculinity for generations? Really well said.

[@sen7826]

Katara is an awesomely written character! That episode where she confronts her mother's killer is the best showcase of the character: she is kind, she is sad, she is angry, she is insanely strong, she is also weak, she has clouded judgement, but she realises that and she makes the right choice at the end, and finally she is tender. She is human.

[@ismaelrodrigues1543]

Most of my female interactions is with "tough" woman so while I see then use dress and have boyfriends I relate more to Toph than Katara because I see more of "tophs" out there.

[@kingnekogon]

Katara was the stand-in for "traditional girls". Toph very solidly landed in the "tomboy" role.

[@lo4568]

YES YES YES, thank you for saying what has been on my mind for years!!! I could never get into Toph's character, I NEVER liked her as much as Katara and I couldn't understand why Katara got so much hate from the community. Such a shame that so many people hate personality traits that are tied to being female, while they praise everything that's masculine (as long as it's a woman doing it). Fck that shit. JUSTICE 4 KATARA

[@lo4568]

@@kingnekogon I grew up as a tomboy too, but could never relate to Toph. She was way too "perfect" at everything.

[@gajustempus]

I have another philosophy: A GOOD character is not a character that's strong by definition, but a character that's WEAK in at least one regard - but, as the story and world around this character unfolds, faces this own weakness, doesn't back down or give in under it, OVERCOMES this weakness and either succeeds or fails in trying to do something great. Being strong and doing a strong thing doesn't take any effort. Being a good guy and doing something good is nothing out of the ordinary, it's "daily business". But if you're weak, stand your ground and state "I don't give a damn what happens to me! I'll try anyways. No matter if I fail!" is something a character can grow on. It's something that inspires others to not give up, but try again and fight through it.

[@casualcomicfan2390]

New veiwer and subscriber. I like your style btw.

[@snowrider9018]

Here’s the difference between the Captain Marvel and Black Widow movies: Carol Danvers was first introduced as a soldier in the Air Force. Sure, she would always fall down and fail but that’s a theme we can ALL relate with. Her character seemed to have always had that independent nature to her so she can overcome that failure . So by the end of the film, she is STILL the same person except she has superpowers. So she’s a very forgetful hero. Hollywood focused more on her physicality to be a superhero rather than the mental and emotional responsibilities that come with being a hero (for instance like Spider-Man) Black widow on the other hand…. We’ve known Natasha Romanoff for YEARS as a spy, and as the movies progressed, we’d be given snippets of her violent upbringing to be an assassin. We know she has sinned and made mistakes which are mistakes that can’t be forgiven. On a deep level, the audience can understand why she is trying to change as a person, film after film. Finally at the end of it all, she sacrifices herself for the good of mankind, bringing her story to a close. A hero who was originally ruthless and killed dozens of people sacrificed herself to save billions. The Black Widow movie did not even feel like a feminist movie (if it was ever meant to be one). It was her movie, Black Widow’s movie that was a cherry on top to close her character development. Long story short: Make the leads (male or female) WEAK and then build them back up to be DIFFERENT than how they started in the beginning of the movie.

[@LegacyComics100]

I miss Carol Danvers when she was Ms.Marvel, or Warbird. However, Carol is much worse in the comics like her runs, and everything she did in civil war 2 that’s ruined her character, also Mar-Vell’s.

[@taqresu5865]

Well the thing is, strength comes from overcoming weakness. It's all about that internal turmoil that we face every day of our lives. For Black Widow, part of that was how Drekov and the Red Room made her a monster, "Can you wipe out that much red? Drekov's daughter..." and "You think you're the only monster on the team?" Both quotes and more point towards Natasha's self image. But what about Carol Danvers? She too was trained to be a ruthless, emotionless assassin and murderer, but where's her internal struggle? Missing memories? That had absolutely no impact on her, it didn't awaken her, or influenced any change in her. And as for external conflicts, she never broke a sweat, her only struggle was Thanos punching her with the Power stone (a guy, who quickly dispatched the Hulk, relying on a strength amplifying Macguffin). Obviously one female lead here was written better than the other lol

[@Seele2015au]

@@taqresu5865 When "Captain Marvel" was in the cinemas it was endlessly compared to "Alita: Battle Angel", and the "professional critics" did everything to praise the former and lavish their worst venom upon the latter: at least one of those critics admitted to having to do that in order to stay in the profession.

[@taqresu5865]

@@Seele2015au Neat to know, and not unexpected. I'm not praising Captain Marvel, I'm just pointing out Black Widow is more of a character than Captain Marvel, who lacks many of the fundamental elements of being a relatable character.

[@Seele2015au]

@@taqresu5865 Indeed. I think "Captain Marvel" is mean-spirited at its core, and what turns up on screen is a manifestation of this sentiment.

[@ZeinaIan]

This is why Wanda is my favourite female Marvel character, she is powerful but also has emotions has many feminine traits and even has a love interest. I don't feel pandered to by her like with Captain Marvel. Edit: I just got to the part in the video where you mention her, I'm glad you agree. 😊

[@saintgermainespejo815]

Better Wonder Woman.

[@fallingforfiction8507]

...tbh they both don't really have personalities imo. I think the most complex female character the MCU managed was Jessica Jones and that was in their TV shows.

[@naomid1609]

I agree! I was never able to relate to Captain Marvel, but Wanda is human and beautiful but her vulnerability and even brokenness at times doesn’t diminish her strength. I have been called misogynistic and sexiest by some of my close friends just for having these opinions.

[@kazecnarfal]

what about after wandavision when she imprisoned an entire town with mind control to fullfill an admittedly sweet fantasy.

[@thanakornintajak4456]

@@kazecnarfal I am not saying what she did is right but when ppl are in grief, their coping mechanisms could be questionable sometimes. Wanda was also at the verge of her mental breakdown after losing EVERYONE she loved and then she had to stand at the place where she could have been with Vision. I think she imprisoned ppl in Westview subconsciously, out of her grievance. That moment when she turned the whole town into the hex, kinda humanized her as a character, the character that suffered from depression. If she were a normal human, it would have been just a scene of her crying hysterically.

[@KingAtheist]

You know a good examples of strong female lends? Totally Spies, Xena: warrior princess, Buffy the vampire slayer, even Sailor Moon just to name a few.

[@SharkVisionStudio]

Banging editing skills on your videos

[@axriq]

I think we need to keep in mind that, being "feminine" doesn't define "weak" I hate where they make feminine girls "weak", because they can be feminine while being strong. (Sorry for bad grammar)

[@TwoBs]

Agreed. They’re always made to be the butt of a joke, too nice or ditzy, seen as lesser than the protagonist female is who the opposite, or it’s portrayed as a period in the main character’s life before their “glow up” - when they were just a poor, weak, woman who couldn’t ever be who she truly was because she was just too … feminine. Women now are portrayed as random and quirky (totally not like other girls!) and “strong” because showing a woman in media as having a man help her (or anyone) is somehow just so damaging to women as a whole unless they’re doing it alone, by themselves, because heaven forbid fellow mankind lend a hand as it breaks that image they fought so hard to portray (aka shoved it down our throats). We don’t need no man … or anyone for that matter, apparently. Their strength is also boiled down to being insensitive or a massive bitch … which totally isn’t demeaning or more damaging in any way whatsoever because it just _obviously_ means being powerful. Showing someone who is nice, caring, and mindful is just way too weak and “submissive”. We actually have young women now who believe that feminism means being better than men thanks to modern media and it’s portrayal on what feminism is, and it’s a bonus if you degrade them and put them down at every opportunity because that shows how much of a strong woman you are. Breaking glass ceilings by fighting sexism with sexism - I’m sure that will totally not backfire with the next generation. I’m sure it has totally made people respect and appreciate that equality we always clamor on and on about. If you’re a woman and you go against modern feminism, you have “internalized misogyny” and “hate yourself” somehow - you want to be a “pick me” for men deep down according to their rhetoric. We must all be cut from the same cloth where we reject being a housewife or a significant other to the opposite sex, decline traditional careers that women once dominated, vomit at the thought of being a _(gasp)_ mother, do away with femininity and girly things because of so-called sexism, and instead take extreme amount of pride in independence and being alone. That’s somehow ~true happiness~ for women … It’s so messed up.

[@Tiabliaj1989]

@@TwoBs Tbf, the thing about "insensitive or massive bitch" is something I actually see a lot of feminist women pushing. That in order to be taken seriously we "don't have to be nice". Like, what? Why are training our daughters to be bitches because of their gender otherwise they'll "never be taken seriously"? So that future generations of men have a valid reason to complain about them? Respect those who respect you, reject those who do not. Simple.

[@TheArmyofHades]

These people have defined power with masculine characteristics so while they male bash and try to depower male characters as much as they can, they give the very same toxic masculine characteristics to their female protagonists to make them look strong....Soooo we hate toxic men (they were almost always the villains in movies) but somehow we give the very same characteristics to women and people still dislike the characters only this time they are not villains they are the leads that are supposed to be the heroes and of course it doesnt work because the people writing that crap have 0 understanding of what makes characters likeable and compelling. Power is not masculine or feminine, power comes through attrition, maturing, emotional stability, responsibility, courage, hard work. All that need SKILL in order to be properly developed in a movie and much like the real counterparts of these people who are too lazy to go through the painstaking process of achieving said power and just want stuff handed to them on a silver plater they write their characters in the same way where they live in 1st world countries have a teen mentality where everything is ''hurtful to them'' and suddenly stuff are handed to them without any real work or real suffering besides being BITCHY as hell and as mentioned in the video they dont ever take responsibility FOR ANYTHING.

[@lucky6961]

pretty sure that was the entire idea behind She-hulk, in the comics, of course a lot of things were stereotyped but she could balance pretty well the confidence she built while also showing female traits in a way she enjoys being herself, of course still follows the idea of "with grest powers it must also come great responsibilities", no one would read a heroes comic without heroes

[@omorinintendoswitchedition]

If you want a character that’s feminine while being a badass, play the Bayonetta games (not 3, 3 is really bad) but 1 and 2 deliver a female lead who is feminine and powerful

[@ellestroud4142]

I recently watched Arcane, which was amazing because all the characters, men and women, felt human. They all had emotion, failings and faults. It was a story of people, not gender politics, despite having female leads who were strong.

[@Bearical]

Exactly, it felt real. Real humans.

[@Ego208]

Yeah the way that every other kids in her group looked upto her is amazing. It wasn't because she's invulnarable , it's because she was someone they can count on in a lost world.

[@MustardGuy161]

Agreed. Arcane is a prime example of how to make a strong female lead, or female characters in general, without coming off as feminist. I actually think Hollywood has the capability of doing the same, if only they more focused on character instead of aiming to "empower women".

[@Ego208]

@@MustardGuy161 true, a character without fears or invulnerability is uninteresting. Same goes for male characters as well.

[@vikinginfidel4293]

I'm a man and I absolutely looove how Vi was written. The writers weren't scared to show a female getting her ass kicked, but what made her strong was she didn't give up, she got back up and kept pushing fwd. Most men love seeing a female character kick ass when it's not written in a way that just belittles men.

[@johnnyrocks9]

Best female character in mainstream movies to me is Eowin in Lord of the Rings. As a woman of the court, the first role we see her do is take care of her king. But she's compassionate, loving and trust worthy. Then she get a love interest with Aragorn, but it fails as he loves another. She's heartbroken, but her duty to her king is strong and keeps her going. But she's also very brave, and hungry for showing her people that she can defend with a sword as well as the men. The king, a man, doesn't want her to fight, but not because he thinks he's better, but because he loves her and wants to keep her safe. And why does she takes the sword anyway ? To show people she's stronger ? TO prove herself or others ? NO ! She does so because she needs to protect her people, that's her duty since the beginning, to protect others. In the end, she saves the king. She finds another love interest with Faramir. her character is complete. That's how you do it.

[@jacobpelzel282]

very nicely put together video nice job, great script as well.

[@NekoUrabe]

I love that you said you can relate to Peter Parker more than Captain Marvel. That one scene where Peter is trapped under rubble and is panicking hits so many people because woah he is like max vulnerable and is actually human just like the rest of us and that in a way made me care about the character even more. Seeing Captain Marvel always be invincible just made me not care since there was never any threat and I just knew everything was going to be fine.

[@LegacyComics100]

XJ-9 is a underrated female super heroine, Captain Marvel is much worse in the comics.

[@thehobbyist7275]

That's also why I dislike Captain Marvel as a film: because the protagonist isn't interesting. She doesn't have any flaws or anything about her that makes her seem human. Sure, she's a powerful superhero, but there's nothing beyond there. Every fight she was in, she won with ease, so I was never scared for her. She didn't have a significant backstory that defined who she is as a person(and I'm not saying it has to be tragic)therefore I lost any reason to care. When she was fighting Thanos in Endgame, I wasn't scared for her as I was for everyone else who had just came back. Every other character in the MCU at that point was different from the other. Their origins, worlds, thoughts, and flaws were all different from one another but Captain Marvel didn't feel significant. Honestly, I only watched the movie because of the "Marvel Studios" logo and assumed it was important for Endgame

[@friedegg3732]

@@LegacyComics100 jenny wakeman the robot?

[@LegacyComics100]

@@friedegg3732 Yes.

[@friedegg3732]

@@LegacyComics100 good choice

[@neminho6070]

katara is a great character. strong, feminine and smart. i really hope netflix doesn't screw up with the new live action.

[@Khaleb_0]

That's a dangerous amount of copium there, netflix wil ABSOLUTELY fuck up any live action remake

[@ethanlivemere1162]

@@Khaleb_0 Can't be worse than the Shyamalan movie... can it?

[@neminho6070]

@@Khaleb_0 true ahahh. lost all my hopes with this new cowboy bebop adaptation

[@ravenouself4181]

@@ethanlivemere1162 Sadly, it can... and I can't believe I just defended Shyamalan...

[@MrEdit-ic7th]

@@ethanlivemere1162 I'm going to take a wild guess and say that it'll be thoroughly mediocre with some good elements, making it technically better but not as memorable as Shyamalan's trainwreck.

[@tastelessbb60]

Great video. I can see the amount of thought that went into this