I HELPED MAKE THIS: Pietro 58 Review

[@LanceHedrick]

Again, there is obvious implicit bias here. I will always clearly articulate when that is the case. But with the PSDs, multiple blind and double blind tastings with colleagues, etc, I tried my best to be as objective as is possible. I want to reiterate what I have stated in the caption above- this by no means is a financial necessity on my part. I work full time in an incredible job with Onyx Coffee Lab as a wholesaler of roasted coffee. This is where my food comes from. I do NOT rely on KZbin or on any project like this. All these little ventures I do go directly to my channel. For what it's worth. Hope you enjoy the video!

[@user-bdpdfom]

Can’t be any more explicit than having it right there in the title. Your honesty and deep technical knowledge are second to none. Keep it up man happy friday!

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you so much! Appreciate the kind words and support

[@3rdeyewoke609]

Hey Lance, I'm a new coffee enthusiast who is looking to upgrade my breville grinder. With so many options , an the niche being everyone's 1st choice, I'm having a hard time choosing. And I'm looking for it to be use for espresso mainly. Also I saw the 078s sculptor and as of right now it's my 1st choice. What do you think? Max budget $750

[@3rdeyewoke609]

Also, I will be upgrading my espresso machine, but it's much easier & faster to buy a $750 grinder compared to a $3000 espresso machine .😅

[@3rdeyewoke609]

*update* I'll go $1k for a grinder if it can be justified. Reliability, quality of grind, NO stalling, and style points. And being put in a position that I would not need to upgrade. Or feel wanting more.

[@MagicKSA]

I am a blind content creator . Maybe you didn’t think about blind people when making the manual grinder, but it was indeed suitable for me as a blind person. I really liked it after trying it at a coffee shop and decided to buy it immediately. The ease of accessing the control knob and the clicking sounds helped me measure the grind settings accurately without relying on sight. Also, the stability of the grinder on the table made it difficult to accidentally knock it over. Even the ease of removing my grinder burrs for cleaning, all these things helped me as a blind person to accomplish the details of making my coffee in an easier way. Perhaps they are simple details, but for blind individuals, they mean a lot. Thank you for everything you have done, and thanks for keep helping me in my journey to learn how to make the best coffee cup 🙏

[@mudiyang1941]

This is INCREDIBLE! Good work Lance and everyone at Pietro for pushing the envelope on what hand grinders are (and what everyone thinks they are) capable of.

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you! Excited about the burr set, for sure.

[@alanjarrar]

Thanks for this, Lance. The timing is perfect as I'm competing with Pietro tomorrow. Great to get to know this grinder in detail before going on stage. I appreciate your objective mindset when reviewing this. Also, salutes to you folks in the studio as the editing game keeps getting better every time.

[@LanceHedrick]

oh wow! That's incredible! Hope it goes well, bud!

[@Guips96]

Ok, come on guys. Huge props to Hugo for that sponsored bit and the editing. Holy crap, that was top tier with the Phonk in the background, synced with the video. Loved it!

[@LanceHedrick]

I was cracking up at the edit. He is a master.

[@Guips96]

@@LanceHedrick indeed hahaha. It gets better every video

[@hugoferrazporto]

Thank you so much 🙏

[@Guips96]

@@hugoferrazporto Np, you're the man!

[@danymeeuwissen5973]

@@hugoferrazporto I usually forward 30 seconds during the ad break, but your intermissions are absolute gold! 👌

[@camjkerman]

Sometimes Lance is just as caffeinated as you would expect from a coffee youtuber

[@LanceHedrick]

it's true.

[@andriitserkovnyi1740]

Win a red dot award. Put an ugly stand on it to make it usable 😂

[@emanggitulah4319]

Form over function 😂

[@lilteyang]

I like the switch-a-roo with the 064/064s, the panda vibe is strong with these ones🤣

[@LanceHedrick]

had to do it. low hanging fruit ripe for the picking lol

[@niccoloaurelius1587]

Cool to hear that the "deep sea fishing" method of using it actually helps with a slightly better particle distribution, as I just discovered that way of using it myself yesterday, and found it much easier than holding it on the table. I've been loving the clarity, as well as that "body" or as you say "smoother body", in the cup. It's not "tea-like". The week prior I had a local roaster grind a bag for me on their Mahlkonig, and then this week I've been using the Pietro probrew, and it actually seems like I can taste and smell a lot more with this grinder. Definitely way more than I've had with 64mm HU, 83mm stock on DF83, and a Flair Royal hand grinder, too. Very glad I jumped on the preorder for this...I was about a day away from ordering the Ode gen2 with MPs, but then serendipitously saw someone talking about the Pietro and went for it.

[@nolanscott9870]

Tried this method on mine today, and it was MUCH easier than holding it on the counter.

[@niccoloaurelius1587]

@@nolanscott9870 there are hand grinders, and then there are belly grinders.

[@sweaner]

That is how I use my OE Lido2. Much easier.

[@LanceHedrick]

BELLY GRINDERS FOR THE WIN!

[@niccoloaurelius1587]

@@LanceHedrick I wonder what pourover recipe and roast level you used for this test? I've been trying to figure out the best way to make my Pietro shine, trying lots of different pourover methods. It seems like maybe the unimodality makes it more challenging to dial in?

[@serenabalassi6024]

I very much appreciate this long, and in depth video; not so much that I'm interested in buying this grinder, more so that it went a long way to help me understand, or, if not truly understand, but at least demystify burr sets and unimodality. It is truly mind bogling, and, as far as I've been able to find, you are the only person really delving into this!

[@hiddenlawyer]

Just had a first spin with mine with the Lance set. Made some siphon brew with a light roast, 8.5 grind setting, 21g, 300ml @90sec (tastes like this could use some tweaking, a little on the weak side). I see now what is meant by bringing out clarity. This is my first flat burr grinder, it is very well built and feels great grinding. I love how small this thing is compared to electric grinders, I almost went electric until I saw this video and am glad I went with this grinder. Thanks for the video and your contributions to the coffee community and now industry!

[@nachoote260]

This looks great Lance, I believe there’s definitely a market for flat burr handgrinders, and this one looks great!

[@LanceHedrick]

Hope so! But, as I said, it isn't a make or break for me. just happy to contribute something!

[@justinbouchard]

Loving the continuous content :) I don't think I'm a hand grinder kind of a guy but this does look like it was engineered well as far as the actual function of the grinding mechanism.

[@LanceHedrick]

yeah. it's not the most fun haha! I have been enjoying it more with the base, tbh. Did not enjoy it without it.

[@jeremiahchamberlin4499]

When you sing, sometimes you remind me of the Lion in the movie ‘Wizard of Oz’ with Judy Garland. The actor’s name escapes me at the moment, but he was a most endearing actor.

[@thomasmooney5653]

Magnetise the base and design the grinder 'holder' to receive, & hold, it at a slight angel. Free hand rests on top of the grinder. Faster easier grind.

[@jslanfranchi]

Thanks a lot for the great review! As a early owner of the multi purpose version, I was excited to wait for your in deep dive into the Pietro and Pro Brew burr set. Definitely will be ordering your burrs to compliment the multi purpose. Funny, you have not really expanded on espresso cup profile for the multi purpose but I can see some similarities with the pro brew in terms that compared to some conicals, it’s more defined and velvety instead of body. Also made my best turbo shots on this. And while I agree that a JMax fills the bill, for me the Pietro has been a clear step up in terms of cup profile. For some reason, I feel the blind burrs are partial to that feeling. Would love to see what grind distribution looks like (from a technical perspective) on these burrs. One point you didn’t mention is that even if you don’t do the step less mod, there is no drift when setting it between clicks (was a worry for me as I find it hard to believe the 15 microns adjustment per big click based on my time experiments with shots). On the other side, quite disappointed with the design of the base. I am sure it will make grinding less wobbly, but it stains the design (it’s gorgeous on a counter top as is). Let’s see the final product though.

[@danymeeuwissen5973]

Same here, I like the Pietro with mp burrs better than the j-max. Maybe even better than Kinu.

[@LanceHedrick]

Yeah- i'd say they arguably are a stepup, but I wanted to be clear it was not night and day. At least, not to me. But thanks for the comment overall!

[@DownTownJohnBrown22]

I've found the source of the ticking, it's a hand grinder! Yeaaaaa! You've made my day with that reference!

[@LanceHedrick]

so glad at least a couple have picked up on it! COnsidering that video's once viral success, I figured there'd be more haha

[@Saucisse_Praxis]

Wow ! I've wondered for some time if we'll ever gonna see a flat burr handgrinder. That day has come, that looks fantastic !

[@LanceHedrick]

I agree! mostly excited because the future now looks bright for them ha!

[@ryansiol]

Loved your video Lance! Super appreciate the transparency that you're bringing to the table keep up the good work!!! Time to shill this to my friends haha

[@LanceHedrick]

hahaha appreciate the kind words, Ryan!

[@michailxyntarakis1590]

I was skeptical about your bias but no you were right! Hoon's coffee tried Pietro with the Pro burrs using blind tests and found it preferable over all other manual grinders including Fellow Ode Gen 2. They have made several videos, check it. I also got the Pietro based on our word about a month ago. I am very happy with it thus far (except for the weight) but I haven't compared it yet with my DF83 with SSP HU. Overall, yes, I think you were honest and your findings were not biased. Great work!!

[@animaginaryboy_]

I’m relieved to know the source of the mysterious ticking noise is only a pin and not in fact a pipe bomb

[@LanceHedrick]

thank dobby for that tbh.

[@KushalJoshiP]

Lance love the content and the full disclosure of your involvement in the project. Keep up the great work!

[@aggiebrandon2007]

I really appreciate your passion for burr sets and the PSD data. As a chemical analyst, I probably use the same instrument in your data analysis. Because of your thorough reviews (and Jonathan Gagne's blog) , I recently received my EG-1 V3 and use the Ultra Burrs exclusively for espresso and pour over. It is AMAZING. Thank you for your content. I think the Pietro with Brew Burrs would be a great way to enjoy very similar filter coffee for travel/work. I like the engineering of taking a burr set that would traditionally be used in a powered grinder and implementing it in a hand grinder. I own a monstrous OE Pharos I used to bring to work 😂

[@LanceHedrick]

that's awesome! So glad you are enjoying the EG1. Still my favorite thus far. ULF burrs by SSP at the 80mm size are hard to beat- and I have the 98mm versions. Pharos is a beast!!! you're dedicated!

[@Jahloveipraise]

Totally respect you not wanting to use this more on the platform, but i personally would love to see more comparisons on your Patreon or something. I totally understand having a bias towards it, but im more interested in the different profiles compared to other grinders. You don’t even need to say which one is better or worse cuz there’s no such thing. They’re all different, and i think it would be interesting from the burr guy to hear how they’re different. Great video tho man, really awesome job on the pietro, you def made your momma proud lol

[@LanceHedrick]

for sure! Can do that on Patreon easily. Maybe do some videos there or something. Just shoot me a message there! @ me in the grinders place.

[@SerialNerdery1825]

Hear me out Lance! Imagine a hand crank single dosing EK43S. Same burrs and design with a weighted flywheel at the back of the unit. Drop a dose into the gated hopper. Start turning the flywheel and crank it up to a fast speed. The spinning weighted flywheel will keep the burrs spinning rapidly with momentum. Open the gate and the beans fall through. You can still continue grinding normally. Use the fun bag knocker. Threaded attached catch cup to eliminate static mess.

[@danielleanderson6371]

The subtle tire screech when you said "drifting" got me XD

[@coenwouters6808]

Love what you did tot the sculptor dials and cups!! 😜

[@LanceHedrick]

hahaha! That was all Hugo's idea lol

[@Akdale777]

Nice. As you demonstrated the base and the impact on stability, i was reminded of pencil sharpeners i used in school.

[@solomantesfaye8017]

My dude, been absolutely loving the memes/personality in your videos lately! Keep it up 😍

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you! As I get more and more comfortable in front of a camera, I also get more comfortable letting myself out haha! Appreciate the kindness.

[@janpalenik4125]

Exactly. You are great, Lance. Stay goofy

[@T_OneOneSeven]

Teaaaaasing us with those Sculptors in the back 😉 excited for any potential future coverage there!

[@d3nswiper]

This looks like a great idea, great grinder for great coffee... but bad user experience. Handle should be longer so it doesn't shake so much. Shown accessories (stand etc) should be part of the package for this price. Even then, awkwardly positioning your grinder on the edge of the table just to make sure you don't hit the table with your hand while grinding is just a weird design choice overall. Kudos for pointing the issues with it it, being top heavy with a short handle. Honestly I don't care how many 'design awards' from 'designers' product gets, I'd rather see it getting engineering awards and user experience awards :)

[@max1000000ify]

The ergonomics for this are exactly what my dad with arthritic hands is looking for in a grinder! Stoked to see a quality looking vertical flat burr hand grinder. Also, I'm jamming on the tuxedo sculptor shenanigans in the background. Glad you're being thorough and apparently having fun.

[@LanceHedrick]

haha thanks! Always like messing around with grinders if I have duplicates. I did the same with the pietros a while back. Always good fun. Thanks for the support!

[@tiyatatsasiphonganan2484]

Really love the vibe. Not only educational but a remedy for my heavy day. Thank you ♥️

[@LanceHedrick]

that is so great to read! I am glad my silliness could improve your day even a little. Hope the rest of the day just gets better!

[@domingosvarelamarreiros7490]

Saw this grinder at the Amsterdam Coffee Festival. Amazing stuff!

[@LanceHedrick]

awesome! Hope it left a good impression!

[@jasonrappazzo6167]

Harry Potter puppet pals will never not be stuck in my head now…. Thank you for that

[@LanceHedrick]

you are So welcome! Growing up, my family of 5 would do the whole song in the car. Bunch of GOOBERS

[@AP-ei3fy]

I bought a Pietro grinder with Pro Brew burrs. Sensational, but I have a doubt. You say that the grinder shines if it is adjusted to around 8. I think the grain size is too big for my grinder, for several coffees the pour over time is less than 2 minutes around 1'30". What you presented I understood to be a prototype. Did anything change for the final production? Please, can you tell me where I can find a map of the grain size in micrometres depending on the value set on the grind dial?

[@wadeduvall7026]

I found your channel from the EG-1 review, where I disagreed with the stalling portion. Since there I have been following and I love your content! Honest, entertaining, funny, and highly caffeinated!

[@LanceHedrick]

What about the stalling did you disagree with?

[@wadeduvall7026]

@@LanceHedrick On the EG1, we talked about it there.

[@LanceHedrick]

ok. I just don't recall lol. but i'm thankful you're enjoying the content, friend!

[@os.]

like the stormtrooper design of the white one 😄

[@LanceHedrick]

haha! for sure!

[@Tazer2death]

Potter Puppet Pals reference made my day

[@LanceHedrick]

first to recognize it!

[@GadgetsGearCoffee]

"uncle Lance, I don't got a gut like you my man" bahhahah, love it, use what you got!

[@LanceHedrick]

got to! Got it, flaunt it!

[@yasirb9172]

Never knew the Pietro 58 existed. It's a shame there aren't more reviews. The few I've seen concur with the outstanding filter brew quality.

[@Andrew-wp1bz]

Well you can’t get more transparent than making your relationship the title of the video. Great video as always!

[@LanceHedrick]

haha thank you! just trying to be well above reproach. Hopefully this will help people retroactively understand I fight bias with every ounce of strength and objectivity I have in my arsenal with everything I review.

[@gmsystem77]

Thank you for introducing us this nice pencil sharpener

[@LanceHedrick]

hahaha!

[@jamesnyman1245]

Great video, intriguing new toy! ........also love the sculpture mix and match 😁 Regards J

[@LanceHedrick]

haha thank you!

[@0whitestone]

Awesome video as always! I get so excited when you start your video with a disclaimer about how long an in-depth it is. In regards to the "beans aligning the burrs" situation, I know people have a real problem with that. I've seen a lot of talk on Reddit about it and I, myself, have argued with people about it. People who ignorant about manufacturing or engineering want the grinder to be 100% perfectly aligned and have 0 movement. My thoughts are that many premium manufacturers have said exactly what you said in this video regarding the beans influencing alignment. This tells me there's probably something to it. Commandante, Weber (with the Key Grinder), and now you, to name three off the top of my head. I think it would be a really cool video idea for when you get your laser particle analyzer, to compare multiple of the same grinders with visible "defects", or whatever it's called; where it looks like there's misalignment but when you put the beans in it works itself out. I think that would go a long way for our little community to help assuage people's fears or misunderstandings about having perfect alignment and perfectly rigid materials.

[@LanceHedrick]

yes! That is one of the ridiculous amount of tests I have ideas for haha! Good idea.

[@kevinfong2405]

Hi Lance if you were to pick one burr for pourover would you rather these pro brew burrs or the turbo burrs from timemore 078?

[@J0SH.0]

Not something I'm in the market for yet. But gosh darn I'm happy it's being made!

[@beecat4183]

Minor point. For the price, these should come with a tool set, including the small wrench, in a little bag. I don't love the design, it seems like it was primarily designed for looks rather than stability. I get that the optional foot will help, but it does make me shake my head. Obviously, stability should have been part of the design philosophy. I'd also like to see some kind of anti-static technology built in, rather than banging it on a table.

[@LanceHedrick]

Tbh I agree with all this. There were things I pushed for that didn't make the final version, hence my focus on what exactly I helped on.

[@beecat4183]

​@@LanceHedrickI'm glad you did. I hope you have the opportunity to design a grinder from the ground up at some point, I think your focus on real world usability, with attention to the actual cup would really shake up the coffee world. Also, thanks for kicking around in comments. That's a bigger deal than you might realize.

[@LanceHedrick]

appreciate it! Sometimes it takes a bit to get to, but I try to be available for at least the first day or two of a video being published. I know I am not perfect and sometimes people correct me, so I am able to make amendments to captions or pin comments. I value highly feedback!

[@erniewcarr]

Hugo's shot at 0:17 was too crispy!!!

[@hugoferrazporto]

🙏🙏🙏🙏 you're too kind ❤️😊😊

[@savioneves8791]

Love the Potter Puppet Pals reference!

[@LanceHedrick]

haha Pietro Puppet Pals? dad jokes.

[@peterlin6419]

The swapped Sculptor knobs 🫣

[@LanceHedrick]

haha had to do it!

[@highac3s]

Is that a Potter Puppet Pals reference I hear? Man, what a blast from the past!

[@LanceHedrick]

you know it! harry potter, harry potter OOO

[@gyorgykarpati9721]

Hello Lance! Did you make the espresso with the B-Modal burr set or with the M-Modal burrs? Does the M-modal burrs capable for espresso also? If yes, in terms of flavors, what is the difference between the two? Could you please help me, because I would like to change my current ROK grinder to a more professional one and I really like this one. I would really apprectiate your help! :) Thank you in advance!

[@dan138zig]

This video uses the m modal

[@williamchan4519]

"Come on now, just how unbiased can Lance really be here?" Literally the first words of the review: "Out of box, I don't really like it that much." Ah, well then, I see... Very exciting to see this! Definitely a unique offering in the market, as you articulated. PS - you should have a trigger warning for those with a deathly fear of opera

[@LanceHedrick]

hahaha i'll start warning on the musicals lol

[@davidbrooks05]

Saw them at the SCA expo in Portland today. Felt good in the hand. Nice colors. Thanks for the interesting review

[@LanceHedrick]

heck yeah! Glad you got to mess with it. HOpe it was a fun day at expo!

[@AB-kz1iu]

Hey Lance, thanks for the video(s). I'm now an addict... You say the pro-brew burrs work for espresso, too, if one likes the taste. I was thinking of buying them to supplement my Mignon (which, you've said, works better for darker roasts) for lighter espresso roasts. Does that make sense or am I setting myself up for failure? Sorry for asking for personal consumer advice...!

[@omerkaya1504]

Loved every second of this video, excellent❤

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you!!

[@Taverius]

I bought this with the m burrs just because i wanted to try it, it arrived today like 2 hours ago - after I made coffee, sadge - and only after unboxing did I notice your sticker on the side! 🤣

[@LanceHedrick]

.....and the verdict? You like? (they do get loads better with lots of seasoning)

[@cliffcox7643]

I just bought one! with the Burr geared to pour over. I have subscribed.

[@tjt6966]

Harness coming? In all seriousness though, specialty coffee needs you Lance and you keep doing you. Love you.

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you! Really means a lot!

[@yingbomiao]

I know what to upgrade from my kingrinder k6 now: The Pietro with pro burrs. Thanks, Lance!

[@LanceHedrick]

oh yeah! Hope you enjoy!!!

[@michaelbarton5169]

The degree of coffee geekitude and exactness is fantastic! Love it

[@LanceHedrick]

hahaha I appreciate it greatly! Thank you!

[@144avery]

I love mine and have both burr types because I want to make ibrik. Didn't get any funnels with them. Looks like I'll have to speak to the manager! Lol

[@LanceHedrick]

oh dang! Get that funnel!

[@jnattress]

Oh boy, here we go!

[@LanceHedrick]

hope you enjoy it!

[@khungreen9773]

Quickly adjusts ZP6 to marker 5 🙃 Informative and enjoyable as always Lance

[@LanceHedrick]

haha! ZP6 is an awesome grdiner! Should be proud you got one of the limited rerun

[@robertjason6885]

Does there have to be a burr alignment procedure at any time?

[@carstenjunge1327]

I am undecided between this one with the pro brew and the Fellow Ode 2 once you can get it for 230 V 50 Hz......

[@LanceHedrick]

really boils down to a) obtaining (imo) better tasting coffee while sacrificing ergonomics or b) obtaining better ergonomics and sacrificing a bit of taste. Both fantastic. And tbh you can switch loads of burrs with the ode over time if you accumulate 64mm options.

[@coenwouters6808]

So after watching the full movie, thank you lance for sharing the story of the development. For me it is no issue you are involved. I respect your point of view of not talking about the Pietro grinder to often because of your bias. But for me this doesn't matter. You always seem to be approaching this as objective as possible. In your video you state that the ode gen 2 with ssp burrs is the best for filter before diminishing returns, is that already taken into account the sculptors 64 and 78? (I know the review is coming, but just curious if the initial testing is already influencing your statements 😉 )

[@LanceHedrick]

Sorry- I said in my Timemore video (of the 078 I already bought) that I thought it was the new king of "before diminishing returns." I made this burrset about 2 or 3 months before the 078 was released. So, I was testing it against the ode with ssp. So, that was the comparison I included. I have not done heads up against the timemore 078, but the zp6 is quite close to the 078 turbos.

[@coenwouters6808]

That is exactly why I was surprised to hear you mention the Ode :) thanks for the clarification.

[@LanceHedrick]

for sure! TBH I should've said this in the video. Probably confusing. Dang it!

[@jamesnyman1245]

Glad for the clarification, I was starting to doubt my sculpture purchase! Regards J

[@ondrejmitas3325]

This is really informative and exciting. I hand grind my espresso on an Arco, so probably the added value from this grinder would be in the unimodal burrs, to have a weird/different/contrast.

[@LanceHedrick]

Oh nice! Arco does a solid job for trad coffees. I should probably review it soon? Lol

[@PeterGtze]

Great video, you are informative AND funny! Even your plug for Squarespace was hilarious🤣

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you! So glad you enjoy it. I hate having to rely on sponsored ads because I know it annoys most viewers, so I try to make them fun.

[@PeterGtze]

@@LanceHedrick it definitely works. I will not miss another add in the future🙂 Keep up your great work and please never stop spizing your videos with your great personality👍

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you! Means a lot after reading and needing to delete some hate comments. Appreciate you, peter!

[@PeterGtze]

@@LanceHedrick you know I bet if Nelson Mandela had been on KZbin he would have gotten hate comments- it’s not on you!

[@Boyetto-san]

I'm just sad that this is unlikely to find official distribution where I live because this is pretty much my ideal upgrade path. I've been acclimated to the hand grinder workflow since I started with coffee, and I'm quite hesitant to go motorized, even for the sake of trying flat burrs, because of the added cost, complication, retention, and thus cleaning. Knowing that the pro burrs have your direct input adds even more to the appeal, given how much you have your hand on the pulse for enthusiasts, without the compromises to the casual market that a big corporate designer will push for. I'm really just hoping that there's some way to get this here at a price still reasonably close to MSRP.

[@LanceHedrick]

there should be! Loads of global distributors. Throughout Europe, Asia, Australia, North and South America, etc.

[@yoniudkoff3577]

Great vid! I’m trying to decide between the two pro Burr sets. I heard what you said in the vid but I was wondering if you could help me and break down the differences a bit more. I drink and prefer mostly filter coffee but will have expressive shots once in a while. Thanks!!

[@alexanderreznikov8112]

Lance, really love the innovations, like goes by default! Couple of questions: do you know a US retailer that will sell your burrs? Espresso parts seem to have the other ones. Also, on Ode SSP, would you also recommend doing the stepless mod (taking the little piece out)? And what would you do to that astringency you got in the video, if you didn't have the other grinders? Just go a step coarser?

[@LanceHedrick]

Hey! Espresso Parts told me theyd be stocking my burrs soon(ish). so, should be good there! and with ode, you need to check out the mod that JKim Makes suggests on his youtube channel to ensure no drifting. and yes- a bit more coarse.

[@johnpearson7815]

Great vid as always Lance! I got my Pietro this week with the bro brew burrs. Ran a kilo of dark beans through it for seasoning before use. On the fence about it at the moment - I absolutely need that stabilising base, can't wait for it to come out. Finding it way, way harder to dial in compared to the 078 (I totally get why, with the latter being a lot more forgiving to dial in). With the washed Kenyan I'm currently drinking I'm having to grind coarser than I'd expected (given it has low fines) to avoid a stalled brew using Hoffmann immersion method on Hario Switch 03 with tabless Japanese filters. Perhaps it needs more seasoning. Still not managed to hit the sweet spot. Setting 6 stalled, 7 was slightly hollow and too sour. Been trying settings in between for last couple of brews. There is absolutely more clarity and less body than the 078, but I haven't managed to get the sweet spot between astringent and sour (overly acidic) yet. Could also be the coffee I'm brewing is finicky. I think my palate also needs to adjust from brewing near exclusively with the 078! Which just produces phenomenal cups in my experience - thanks for tip there Lance 👍🏻 Keep up the good work 😊

[@LanceHedrick]

definitely the base is needed. I am strong on that. I told them before agreeing to officially come out with my cooperation they needed to have one. And seasoning will help but shocking to hear about the stalling! I have had quite fast brews with mine, to be honest. Very odd! hmmmm. Seasoning will help. And, tbh, I haven't used the DLC coated burrs yet. I bet they need loads more seasoning than mine did since mine are not coated at all. They likely seasoned really quickly.

[@johnpearson7815]

​@@LanceHedrick You said you're brewing 8-9 on the Pietro in the vid for filter. That seems quite coarse compared to me, but you're doing percolation... How much finer would you go for immersion based on your experience? (I just do a pretty straightforward steep and release) This could be another factor for me to consider. I just hope I don't have an alignment issue, as grinds don't appear as consistent to my eye compared to the 078 (more boulders)... 😅 Am doing a bit of troubleshooting with the manufacturer, so hopefully I'll get to the bottom of it

[@LanceHedrick]

to be sure, I have my burr touching pretty aggressively at 0. So, you may be calibrated differently. For immersion, with my calibration, i'm going to around 5-6. Hope it isn't an issue with alignment!

[@johnpearson7815]

@@LanceHedrick ah OK. Do you get resistance at 0 then? Mine just makes a slight gliding sound for most of the rotation at 0. Can I adjust this?

[@LanceHedrick]

You can! I'll make a video on how and post a link to it soon. For now, with the clogging and optical boulders, send pics and your concerns to [e-mail] I have messaged my contact and they're keeping an eye out!

[@ericanderson1753]

Wait I want to be sure I understand - for filter, you're saying you prefer Pietro to Ode with SSPs, your "before-diminishing-returns" choice (before 078 with turbos goes into production)?

[@LanceHedrick]

Sorry. I should have been more clear. While I was testing for these burrs, the 078 turbo was NOT a thing. At the time, ode ssp was my ceiling for filter. I was just reliving those cuppings. I think 078 turbo is better than ode ssp

[@SeanGordon-ym4yf]

Great vid Lance!

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you, Sean!

[@andyand100]

Why I’m wanting ice cream after watching you young man ! Are there hidden frames

[@Incip1]

Looks much better than I anticipated. However the more stable base is essential, in my opinion, and it isn't avail for purchase as far I can see?

[@samsneed7979]

I bought a used one off of Ebay and received it yesterday. It really does produce great grinds, but they could not have made this thing less awkward to use. To sell it without the base included is borderline unethical. It's fine until a new bean drops in and throws off your groove. This happens over and over. It's also hard to find a place to hold it without either hand's knuckles whacking / being whacked by something. Same for the pouring funnel. It's very hard to avoid making a mess. If the catcher was a square it wouldn't be as bad, but there are two pillars running down the sides which holds back half of the grinds and then spills them in a landslide. I started dumping the grinds onto a piece of waxed paper to transfer them. It would also help if the catcher screwed in or locked in in some fashion. If you use the grinder like a fish rod it's easy to rock it off. 65$ is a lot of extra money for two plastic pieces that should have been included with an very expensive hand grinder. I'm already trying to figure out how to attach a clamp to my counter to hold it in place. Great burrs, but the rest is comically wonky. And to be honest I'm not sure if the drink tastes so good because of the burrs or because I worked my ass off for it.

[@LanceHedrick]

I believe I said in the video the base is necessary. And soon you can 3d print one. They are working with a 3rd party who designs things for coffee machines. But I agree. I am very against the base not being included.

[@samsneed7979]

@@LanceHedrick You did say that. You gave a honest review and I respect your transparency. My criticisms were just a heads up for anyone interesting in buying this grinder. For the record I'm not regretting my purchase. It's a very sweet grinder, and will be even sweeter when I have a base and such.

[@photobillyli]

I am using this grinder with pro brew set. The espresso (it can make espresso, when the grind setting is almost zero) is so much much much better than my niche. And the pour over is also much much much better than my kinu m47 with pour over burr. But Lance, I wanna make this grinder better, so is it possible to do alignment on this grinder?

[@berkgunduz]

Also I am really curious about that cause my unit just stalled brews at the first brews. Maybe the reason is seasoning but I can hear burr rubbing when Im not even putting force on the handle. But the taste of the brews are not way off at the same time this is my first flat burr grinder so when it comes to allignment I really need the info.

[@user9b2]

Could have rotated the hand crank 90 degrees (horizontally) and used a gear instead of a direct grind mechanism to remove the wobbling effect, then you can add way more tolerance to the burrs mechanisms. Overall very nice product. 👍

[@LanceHedrick]

smart! yeah- as I said in the video, I was brought on late. Lots of choices I would not have made for ergonomics, but I do think the cups are great.

[@umk4s]

Duuude! Thanks for the vid! Great one at that.

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you!

[@JusBThankful]

Lance, can this be hooked up to a drill? And have you ever looked into drill motor tech to see if there's anything out there more or less appropriate for coffee grinding? I could see the 2 items sold separately as a way to bypass various certs... maybe? Lol

[@LanceHedrick]

perhaps! not sure if Pietro is open to this. I had other ideas I think would have elevated the grinder, but weren't taken. They did do a lot of what I asked, which were all aimed at the cup profile. Ergonomically, I had lots of other ideas haha

[@das.gegenmittel]

Fiorenzato has parcticel measurement instruments and a lot of them

[@coffeemanray]

reminds me of my pencil sharpener from childhood, this is tactile fun

[@LanceHedrick]

Haha! That's so true! Didn't even think of that. Wow. Memz

[@stillnessnmindelaine8810]

“My authenticity is my brand. I get kickbacks on this grinder.”Getting ethically fuzzy up in this funhouse. I love your channel IMMENSELY. AND it matters if you profit off the things you critique.

[@LanceHedrick]

That is exactly why I was so clear about my relation and titled the video "I helped make this grinder." I also gave it loads of critiques. But, when given free reign over the burr set, and having the ability to have final say, of course i'm going to sing its praises. Why would I greenlight something I didn't love? I have had so many opportunities to make money and turn them down because they don't do what I want. I purposefully have a full time job AND consult outside of this to not rely on it. So, I am not worried about what is made from this. Whatever I make will go into the channel. I also explicitly state I wont be bringing this grinder up anymore so as to maintain impartiality. No comparisons, no references. If that is an issue for you, well, that's fine. I am happy about my transparency and know my limits.

[@danfirth2678]

Definitely a noob to all of this but so knowledgeable and interesting to listen to mate. Love the content as always.

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you! Always stokes me to read comments like this.

[@waffurups]

Love the Potter Puppet Pals reference 🙌

[@LanceHedrick]

haha! ONly a handful have caught it.

[@kloffsetpressklopmalaysias9450]

I've just gotten the Pietro with the ProBrewing M Modal burrs. I've gone to the maximum setting, and my V60 would not brew less than 4 minutes. And I was hoping that it's going to be closer to ULF, but there are quite a lot of fines. The bed was quite muddy. Water temp was at 96C. What am I doing wrong? As a note though, the cup isn't bitter at all.

[@dan138zig]

Maybe it's the coffee

[@PanopticMotion]

They should make a version of Madkatcoffee Skope X Motorizer for this grinder.

[@LanceHedrick]

honestly. Would be loads easier haha!

[@cheekster777]

Nice work, Lance. 🤩😎

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you, friend!

[@ritchakaritch]

knew it yesterday when i saw the grinder in london with all those magnet immedietaly i was thinking to you ahah

[@LanceHedrick]

I LOVE magnets!

[@JesemanuelRamirez]

Accessory for this hand grinder: 3D printed gut implant or gut trainer corsets

[@LanceHedrick]

or just eat bad food. like me.

[@JesemanuelRamirez]

@@LanceHedrick 😂 just you watch someone will make a chest strap to hold the grinder in a special golden angle to use this grinder

[@ciruscoffee4290]

Hi Lance do you have a discount code to order the pietro? thanks

[@benjaminedman1994]

Love the grinder 🔥

[@LanceHedrick]

I think it quite neat! but, as stated in the video, i'm implicitly biased lol

[@danymeeuwissen5973]

My current favorite grinder!

[@LanceHedrick]

love to read that! Hope you're well, Dany!

[@danymeeuwissen5973]

I'm perfectly equipped for the belly base technique after one week in Portugal, will try this soon! 😉

[@LanceHedrick]

oh heck yes!

[@D_JIM99]

It’s has great aesthetics, it feels very good in your hands. Love the build quality and cleaning looked very easy, but the grinding experience is not enjoyable. I tested it at their booth during a coffee festival. I wanted to have one, but the price and experience of grinding made me have second thoughts. The vertical rotation of manual grinding is just a clumsy method, even if you would have an additional separate stand. So instead of buying another hand grinder (as I already have quality manual grinder), I decided to buy a timemore sculptor. Anyways, great videos as always!

[@LanceHedrick]

I don't disagree with that decision! I agree- it is very clunky without the base. Using the base makes it much better. Vertical mounting is not an issue considering a minimum of about 80rpm is being applied. This will cause more than sufficient centrifugal force to overtake any effect gravity might have on the grounds coming out. but the sculptor is a great decision!

[@GadgetsGearCoffee]

is it heavy? looks like it is. I think flat burrs is just too difficult for hand grinding, I'm sure there is a small market for it, but at that point, is it "worth it"? I mean it might be for some people for me, I'm using a hand grinder if I'm traveling and I am just less picky overall because of it. I have an Arco hand grinder traveling now, had an Aeropress but silly me I forgot my filter cap >.< so I purchased a chorreador (have a shorts on that on my channel) and I don't even have a coffee scale (gasp!) I don't have the same palette as Lance so I'm happy with the coffee I'm getting

[@D_JIM99]

@@GadgetsGearCoffee The Pietro is for sure too heavy/Bulky to travel with 😂. What a coincidence, I have a GOAT Arco hand grinder too. If I can’t travel with the Pietro, I might as well spend the same amount of money on the Timemore Sculptor that just sits on your bar. So you’re traveling now and don’t have all necessary tools at hand? Anyways your palette can be developed over time if your a foodie and are open to taste/eat with all kinds of spices.

[@GadgetsGearCoffee]

@@D_JIM99 I def am a Foodie and love food :) one of life's many simple pleasures. People ask if I like to cook cuz it's sometimes elaborate, no. I like to eat lol. But ya :( silly me I don't use the aeropress often so it didn't seem like I was forgetting anything, but I do now have a new coffee gadget 😅

[@LanceHedrick]

it is heavy. 1.5kg!

[@dougdabbs8155]

Amazing information and review, as always. I’m seriously thinking about getting this. I already own the Ode SSP… you said it is the best electrical grinder before diminishing returns. Did your opinion go back to the Ode for that? Because in the Timemore 078 video, you mentioned it was that was the best before diminishing returns. Just wondering if your opinion has changed is all. Love your videos. It always makes my day better. ❤

[@chadw6593]

Ditto I had the same question, especially since the Timemores are in the background of the video.

[@LanceHedrick]

I know this is confusing, and I should've been more clear in this video: All my testing for the burr set prior to completing it was BEFORE the timemore 078 came out. So, I figured i'd replicate those tests in this video. When testing, ode ssp WAS best before diminishing returns. so, I spoke in the present tense. Didn't realize how confusing that was until after a few of these comments. Timemore with turbos is still my number 1 for filter (before diminishing)

[@dougdabbs8155]

@@LanceHedrick Thank you for the reply, that definitely makes sense. I’m contemplating about upgrading from the Ode SSP to the 078. It seems like everyone loves its juicy flavor profile more, which is something I tend to enjoy as well.

[@LanceHedrick]

yeah the 078 is the move if you are filter focused. But, depending on the coffees you drink, the difference could be bigger or smaller. I'd say don't expect earth shattering but you'll definitely notice a difference.

[@robertjason6885]

As my shoulders are bad, the vertical movement would be easier than the normal horizontal turning motion. Would this grinder produce espresso grind as competently as the better current hand grinders? I have a Ode Gen 2 for other brewing styles. Nice video, Lance.

[@Espensoreide]

The edit👌

[@LanceHedrick]

Hugo is a BOSS