I know you're talking about Steve Lawson | John MacArthur gracious take

[@kachengachisupa6389]

Pastor John Mac's comment is deep and full of wisdom....truly thankful for him. "How does one preach past his conscience unless his conscience is scarred".

[@RonaldMillsaps]

False. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing, and that's true for everyone else in Ligonier as well.

[@Twister1980]

​@@RonaldMillsaps you're blind

[@TheJEWalter]

That comment hit hard, but he's spot on.

[@Twister1980]

@@RonaldMillsaps WRONG

[@RonaldMillsaps]

@@Twister1980 you are very false, sir

[@brendag8418]

MacArthur-always the hammer hitting the nail on the head. I know this situation has hurt him deeply. Thank you, Jesus, for giving us John MacArthur.

[@RonaldMillsaps]

@@brendag8418 John MacArthur is a false preacher, and so is Steven Lawson. Ligonier and Calvinism are satanic.

[@RL-tg6ds]

I love this man. Thank you Lord for faithful ministers of Your Word. ❤

[@RonaldMillsaps]

You won't find them in Ligonier.

[@RL-tg6ds]

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[@RonaldMillsaps]

Yeah-- they're not found in Ligonier, as Calvinism is false.

[@fluke8928]

He’s a false teacher motivated by the millions he’s earned turning people away from the lord and down the path of darkness. The devil is working through him.

[@turtleneckferret]

I find it weird that people laughed when he said I know you're talking about Steve Lawson. That's nothing to laugh at.

[@lizenamoradomazzoni8226]

Me imagino que no se están riendo de la situación, sino de lo directo que fue Macarthur. No hay que hacer una tormenta de toda gota de lluvia.

[@andrewmjohnson]

That’s because Lordship salvation breeds self righteousness and lack of empathy

[@judah_bethany6971]

Probably because Nathan was so careful to avoid saying Steve Lawson and he danced all the way around it and Dr. M just straight up said what everyone was thinking and kinda made Nathan’s careful speech unnecessary.

[@RonaldMillsaps]

Lawson, Sproul, MacArthur, Piper, et cetera, have laughed inappropriately many times and have encouraged the same. It's a horrible, demonic, irreverent ministry.

[@turtleneckferret]

@@andrewmjohnson that's an ignorant comment

[@periphron]

I so deeply appreciate Pastor MacArthur answering these questions even though he is laboring to breathe.

[@fluke8928]

Stop being brainwashed he is a charlatan motivated by the devil and his promises of rich and fame. He’s not a believer in Christ but a false preacher. Rebuke him in the name of Jesus. Find your way to god. Away from this terrible ungodly practice of prosperity gospel.

[@beguileme8201]

@@fluke8928 He is one of the most theologically sound pastors out there.

[@newyorknight]

Thank you Lord Jesus for always being faithful and Holy🙏 Awesome statement from Dr MacArthur.

[@TheJEWalter]

I have spoken or listened to many reformed pastors about Steve Lawson. I have appreciated the candid nature of the conversations I've had from them. Many are being confronted with the fact that they are not invulnerable and that they need to remain in constant vigilance against temptation. So purify the church? Macarthur is spot on.

[@jtlearn1]

Better accoubtability and less celebrity speakers. David fell too. 😢

[@moderndayzorro7072]

GCC covered for Lawson for over 5 years. He is lying that they didn't know unfortunately. They knew as the woman was a granddaughter of one of the founding members.

[@jtlearn1]

@@moderndayzorro7072 I doubt it

[@Kitty-zd7qp]

Pastor John Mac Arthur has been a great source spiritual blessing to me personally since 1999. First time I heard Lawson during the Strange Fire conferance, a message on "Sola Scriptura" and kindled a fire in me to love the Puritans and their commitment to the doctrine. When I heard about the issue, I prayed that it should turn out to be a false allegation. Praying that the Lord restore him back again.

[@michaelosborne3414]

Restore him to what?

[@Kitty-zd7qp]

@@michaelosborne3414 when you fall into a sin next time, ask the same question. When MacArthur says, he is praying for him every night, he prays for what? That God may kill him? Or, for restoration? "Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall." [1 Cor. 10: 12].

[@Димчик-ъ4т]

I think falling of someone checking our hearts as well,

[@Kitty-zd7qp]

@@Димчик-ъ4т "Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall." [1 Cor. 10: 12].

[@petratical]

Right, the "Strange Fire conference", were Steven Lawson say's something totally different from the "Sola scriptura", as he said; "We are to be filled "by" the Spirit, not "with" the Spirit." No, Steven Lawson is wrong, as the scripture in Ephesians 5:18 specifically say; "but be filled with the Spirit"! As the sense of that phrase is to be constantly being filled, that the filling of the Holy Spirit (full of the Holy Spirit) is to be an ongoing experience. As it was for "Stephen, who was a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit", Acts 6:5. As this being filled with the Spirit is what can keep us from the works of the flesh; "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." Galatians 5:22-25. He should repent and have this recording changed, as ministers of the Word Of God must be careful in presenting it, as one that "needs not to be ashamed", 2 Timothy 2:15. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5O3hJWpitmcZ6M (49:12).

[@megleighnor7759]

Thank you, Pastor John MacArthur, for all your sound teaching of the whole council of the Word of God! Much love and may the Lord God Bless you.

[@GAP0914]

John MacArthur has so much wisdom. He is a gem that we are blessed to have at least for a little while.

[@thrivewithjesus5216]

Just heartbreaking. You can feel John's pain and sadness for his friend.

[@newinsights5496]

Pastor MacArthur, you have blessed us for so many decades. You will continue to do so, God willing, long after you are gone. You have been and still is, so faithful. God bless you, sir! Indeed He has.

[@AndroxineVortex]

This is a sobering reminder that we all need to keep ourselves accountable and vigilant.

[@debbiealexander8694]

Perfectly said Pastor John Thank you

[@kimberleywalski6290]

He calls it as it is plainly seen .

[@theloniouscoltrane3778]

Steven Lawson did not voluntarily came forward; he was CAUGHT!

[@darwinhughey3861]

Hope God doesn't catch you Pharisee!

[@lmathews5608]

Well articulated ❤sad times, but amazing truth

[@Scratcher1960]

Of recent I have been reading and listening only to dead theologian/pastors who have run the race faithfully. The Lord is indeed purging his church. As always it needs to begin in my own heart!!

[@dmustakasjr]

I do not hold to all of the theological positions of John MacArthur, but we are much blessed to have him in our generation as a preacher and teacher. God please raise more men to your church once you call JM home.

[@kimberleywalski6290]

Get your theology right and you will know he’s telling absolute truth .

[@RonaldMillsaps]

No, Calvinism is demonic, as is Ligonier. Ligonier is probably the worst ministry on the face of the earth.

[@Tyler-xd9rb]

Not when he's pushing the pre-trib rapture. A false doctrine that gives my brothers and sisters a false sense of security. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqi7oICEpbSbpdU&pp=ygUtNyBwcmUtdHJpYiBwcm9ibGVtcyBhbmQgdGhlIHByZS13cmF0aCByYXB0dXJl

[@Rebound703]

​ @kimberleywalski6290 When I began listening to John 20 years ago I recall saying to myself "I finally found a Bible teacher who got everything exactly right". Years later I heard R.C. Sproul say " every Bible teacher has some heresy in their teaching". He didn't mean it in a deceptive manner but that no man have everything exactly right. I'm sure you're familiar with John and RC's friendship. It's well known that they did not agree on everything.Now after listening to John for twenty plus years I'm familiar with his beliefs and I too don't agree with everything John teaches but still listen to him.

[@smilingtulip8126]

So much wisdom in these words!

[@eastcoastmz]

I know Pastor John's heart is crushed by Steve Lawson's fall. I'm sure all our hearts are because Steve preached solid doctrine. That's why we're in shock how Satan can deceive. As Pastor John said God is purging His church. It hurts and I pray Steve is reconciling himself to God. I miss his terribly.

[@RonaldMillsaps]

The bigger issue with Lawson is that he's a false preacher, as are all others in Ligonier.

[@YouTuber-r5c8x]

Maybe he's not preaching "sound doctrine." These guys are full of themselves about that.

[@RonaldMillsaps]

@@KZbinr-r5c8x excuse me?

[@happyday2765]

Calvinism and lordship salvation is not sound doctrine.

[@dog7881]

@@happyday2765What does calvinism teach?

[@brentlillistone2905]

We are all in need of a Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.

[@governedbypolitics8089]

Funny how you can tell by the comments, those who have been called by God and are truly saved by grace, and those who just want to find fault. I thank God and pray for Pastor John's well being all the time. God knows how he used John to encourage me and help me in my sanctification.

[@loraladd6616]

Amen.

[@clarkemcclymont2879]

100%

[@L.Fontein7]

Same here.

[@scwienert]

Pot meet kettle.

[@brendatajik6150]

Please, dear God, heal Pastor MacArthur. He and men like him are needed to lead us! 🙏 📖 🤲

[@moderndayzorro7072]

Their conseling department discourages wives to report their abusive husbands. It's a very unsafe church. John's own family has received millions of dollars that they didn't earn. Nepotism.

[@dmitriy6147]

Love this man!

[@maryross6366]

Don't ever forget there is none righteous. No not one. The heart is deceitful above all things. He was exposed but all those secret sins (we all have) will be exposed when we appear before God. Judge not.

[@jbud5404]

Actually Paul says to judge sin in the church otherwise the leaven grows. Matt.1815-17; 1 Timothy 5:20, 1 Corinthians 5:1-13

[@michaelsamuels9901]

my mom always said to me be sure your sin will find you out

[@YouTuber-r5c8x]

Thanks for the information. That is a misquote and not helpful. I prefer Jesus when he says that everything done in darkness will be exposed by the light.

[@jaylaw8242]

@@KZbinr-r5c8xit not that her mother quote don’t be a stick in the mud no need to be rude

[@bblande]

Numbers 32:23 But if you will not do so, behold, you have sinned against the Lord, and qbe sure your sin will find you out.

[@k.hendrickson8735]

She’s 100% right! I’m old and I’ve seen this happen again & again in my and my family & friends lives…. I also feel very blessed that I am able to learn from **other’s mistakes!**

[@robertsharp6479]

​Numbers 32:23..."and be sure, your sin Will find you out..."​@@KZbinr-r5c8x

[@beaulin5628]

Good response by John MacArthur.

[@1798iscomingback]

We tend to glorify people and then condemn people and we forget that the Power is in the Gospel and NOT in the messenger. Gospel power is INDEPENDENT of WHO proclaims it. God can call a donkey to proclaim the Gospel and the Gospel will not lose anything from its power. Yet, we all are DUST which means, absolutely NO INTRINSIC VALUE and NO INTRINSIC POWER. So we have this infinite dichotomy of an infinite power being carried by clay(dust) vessels. We should Glorify God for the power of His Gospel and be aware of the weakness of the vessels that carry it at all times.

[@abrahamn2057]

Yes. Well said by John Macarthur. Thank you

[@cmdesign01]

glad you prayer for Steve

[@lauras7352]

Mmmmhmmmm...so why haven't we heard from Lawson himself...his silence says alot.

[@victoryak86]

This is a very godly statement by John MacArthur.

[@chibonchibon3967]

JMac love him although he is the sinner and pray for his repentance , thats what I call Christ like.

[@noelenliva2670]

That's not Christ like. He's simply circling the wagons. He mocks the gifts of the Spirit and attributes them to the devil - that's about as blasphemous against the Holy Spirit as you can get.

[@RonaldMillsaps]

Overall, though, MacArthur is a heretic, as Calvinism is demonic.

[@rodney8075]

@@noelenliva2670 You lack knowledge. He spoke in great detail on this topic and to chock it up as mockery is absolute foolishness.

[@noelenliva2670]

@@rodney8075 you really shouldn't idolize him

[@moderndayzorro7072]

He is refusing to take Steve's calls. They let Steve conduct this relationship on the GCC campus for years. God is judging them now.

[@davidtaylorjr1985]

This was a stern, but gracious, response.

[@RMR-g1i]

A little light on the grace but then it is in Reformed circles so we don't want too much grace...

[@davidtaylorjr1985]

@@RMR-g1ilight on the grace? You can’t be serious.

[@FranciscoPerez-sn9ms]

What did you expect? Condemnation?

[@RMR-g1i]

​@@FranciscoPerez-sn9ms Condemnation is all I heard.

[@moderndayzorro7072]

@@FranciscoPerez-sn9ms The truth perhaps. That the relationship was in full view of GCC campus and that people complained, but the elders did nothing.

[@blacksmithbest1]

6 "Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. 5 For each one shall bear his own load. 6 Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches. 7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. 9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith." (Galatians 6:1-10)

[@Frances-e7x]

He's correct !! On getting things right in his church

[@dougvanmeter1137]

I don't understand why the emphasis is on the impact upon Grace Church rather than Lawson's sin's impact upon his own church.

[@rodney8075]

A lot of people have been lying in wait to go after John MacArthur. You will see soon enough.

[@Rebound703]

Lawson was a Professor at Masters Seminary.

[@santosh92]

What is someone who isn't his homeboy, does something like this?

[@tjp-re4du]

JM, such a Biblical Classy individual.

[@dtsdminstudent5243]

I wonder if Dr. MacArthur thinks Steve Lawson is saved today or was saved during his ministry time? Based on MacArthur's theology, I would assume he would say he was not a "genuine" or "true" believer? Does anyone know if he has answered that specific question?

[@stevnreed7763]

Good point

[@HelpforDominique]

He is very short breathed . it's sad to see great men aging. we tend to think then immortal...

[@treesquatch9150]

J Mac looks good

[@recoveredcalvinist]

Even while talking about Lawson's sin, they have to bring in Hillsong, Bethel, Elevation, etc. It is hell on earth for a Calvinist to deal with one of their own falling.

[@Hannah11235]

So true. Great catch

[@datchet11]

I still can't believe that about Steven lawson what next? John macarthur becomes Catholic?

[@JohnFromSC]

MacArthur becoming Catholic... that caused me to spit out my coffee. 😂

[@datchet11]

@JohnFromSC 😂

[@bajaaron541]

Can you tell me where is the original q&a session?

[@theMrs3838]

It was a live steam which isn’t up for long.

[@rwd2213]

We can be perfect, when we die to self. Christ was and still is perfect. His perfection should shine through. I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me. Steve Lawson was living in the flesh, and not the Spirit. A Romans 7 Christian, and not a Romans 8 Christian. Knowledge only gets you so far in this walk. You must utterly die to self. By their fruit, ye shall know them. SL gave off the impression of pride at times. Pride of position, accomplishment, etc. I sensed it oftentimes while listening to some of his sermons, and now it all makes sense.

[@darwinhughey3861]

Lots of condemnation for Lawson, how about a little soul searching for the rest of us!!!

[@Beth31597]

How do you preach past your conscience? I have never been able to put it into words, but this is a question I have had for many, many years. No leader is perfect, but to stand up and preach against the VERY thing you are doing is hard to grasp. To preach love, when you meter out harsh words and rejection without ever TALKING to the person ...... I do not get it.

[@geraldpolmateer3255]

John MacArthur associated with a man who was not a pastor but just a preacher.

[@lindamasters5494]

Can't be involved with these mega churches, so much evil!!

[@matthewanderson6559]

Steve Lawson's church should discipline him by making him listen to steve lawson sermons

[@19marino61]

This sin affects the whole body as one can hear how it has affected Pastor John. (1 Thessalonians 4:1-8)

[@alu175]

Some say..... therefore "Lawson was never really saved?"

[@tonimccoy9778]

I wouldn't go that far. I figure he simply fell to temptation..Toni's husband

[@timothymcdonald7407]

Johnny is so perceptive.

[@RonaldMillsaps]

He's a heretic

[@WEWALKBYFAITH7]

He ain't that Leighton flower son 😂​@@RonaldMillsaps

[@RonaldMillsaps]

@@WEWALKBYFAITH7 Don't call me "son", and Leighton Flowers is sound; Calvinists are not.

[@stevesolis4807]

"distinguishing between spirits", is a gift listed between prophecy and tongues - Lawson was in this relationship for 5 years, it was not 'perceived" by the leadership, and he didn't come forth and reveal it - he was caught by the woman's father.

[@RonaldMillsaps]

@@stevesolis4807 or maybe the (false) ministry did know about it and covered it up

[@Hannah11235]

Calvinism is not sound doctrine. Praise God He set me free from it

[@andrewjans2961]

Maybe it was the devil that deluded you that you thinking you were set free?

[@RonaldMillsaps]

Andrew-- not a chance, and you'd better be careful what you say because Calvinism is demonic.

[@roguecalvinist]

God setting you free from Calvinism is not even consistent with anti-calvinism

[@RonaldMillsaps]

@roguecalvinist Calvinism is anti-Christian, and God will lead anyone out of it. It's up to the individual to follow. This stuff is a cult. No, it's not Christian, and RC Sproul, James White, Steven Lawson, John MacArthur, and John Piper are satanic. The worst of all is that piece of human white trash Josh Kuipers, and a parent would be a fool to have his or her child in his youth ministry.

[@FlyTour69]

👍🏼

[@Jeremy_Mitschke]

Salvation has Nothing to do with the way we live. “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you-unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,” ‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭15‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ Not works Not “repenting of sin” which is just a fancy way to say follow the law Not going to church Not getting baptized Not giving your life to Jesus Not following Jesus He gave HIS life for you JUST believe in what he did for you

[@scwienert]

John mixed up the churches. It was the church with truth had left their first love that lost the lamp stand. They were so focused on truth they lost sight of Jesus Himself.

[@cmdesign01]

no mention for prayer for Steve ?

[@lizenamoradomazzoni8226]

Yes, he said prays for Steve every night

[@T.Ravikumar]

I can't see what JMac is trying to say here! He says the church in Smyrna was done but here he says his Grace Community Church is not done but is being purified. It just goes to show that your theology has nothing to do with sinful actions. JMac thinks that he's got a great discernment in choosing who preaches at his pulpit. He doesn't think that he's just a normal human who's capable of being deceived. Further, he doesn't talk about what Jesus means in Mat5:28, when He says even a lustful thought is as good as the actual adulterous act. If he believed Jesus' words, he'd have known that most guys preaching at Grace Com Church would not be fit to preach. But the true Christian born-again redeemed child of God knows that his qualification to encourage another to love & good works, doesn't come from his sinning less righteousness, but from the imputed righteousness of Christ & the permanent anointing of God's Spirit!

[@cheaprice1]

1Tim3 v2-12... We are all sinners, fact. But if you are to be serious with Jesus-Christ as a Pastor, you need to be right in your life cuz you will be an example for all to see. Mal 2v16 Also read Tite1v6 and review your comment... Maybe your position will change, as it should

[@WayneSmith-zx3tf]

Are you attacking John MacArthur? Are you attacking Grace Community Church? Sounds like a spirit of division to me.

[@Jeremiah17910]

T. Ravicumar, Proverbs 10:18. Whoever conceals hatred has lying lips, And one who spreads slander is a fool. You are a hypocrite by concealing hatred which amounts to murder. God calls you a liar, a slanderer, and a fool. Friend, don't get mad with me I am trying to help you see by the word of God that God is telling you in His word what is in your heart towards John MacArthur. Please, stop, repent now, God has no pleasure in fools.

[@GettingRight707]

Mr ravi, there are some sins which are seriously counts to disqualify a pastor, whoever they are it doesn't matter. It's not about the truth of imputation but it's about obedience to the pastoral qualifications that are in the Bible. We love steve but we should accept that the reality of the discipline done to a pastor also a love towards God and care towards steve.

[@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316]

What he said about Smyrna and Laodicea is completely extra-biblical. This is just the tip of the iceberg. He teaches many things that reveals his carnality. He does not understand Christ and what Christ came to teach us.

[@ct46518]

Why you got a consciences

[@cmdesign01]

question John: Did you react this way over RC jr? remeebr what he did ? hmmmmm….

[@kimberleywalski6290]

RC Sproul JR had more levels of sin exposed. He has no ties to Grace Church.

[@AndrewMagnus-x7z]

RC Jr. repented.

[@cmdesign01]

@@AndrewMagnus-x7z i know he did. They just shuffled it all under the carpet and he was allowed to come back

[@cmdesign01]

@@kimberleywalski6290 no not true

[@L.Fontein7]

​@@cmdesign01RC Junior actually went out and started his own church.

[@leenieledejo6849]

"We were all stunned". Those of us with discernment were not.

[@harpoon9996]

Now what did you say about Ravi again? Was JM’s answer ego-centric?

[@moderndayzorro7072]

How is it gracious? He blames God for corrupting the church and then states how it's a good thing because now he is purifying it. That's blasphemous. It is alleged that the relationship took place on the GCC campus for years. Many went to the elders complaining but because Steve was a favorite of John, they were ignored. The elders, again, looked the other way and retaliated against those who made reports. In time we'll know the truth, but please understand, this is rehearsed. It's a PR nightmare. GCC allowed another adulterous affair go on by one of his leaders/professors. This is nothing new.

[@Anthony-ix3rp]

Is Lawson a member of Grace Church ?

[@kimberleywalski6290]

No he is not !

[@eastcoastmz]

He taught at Master's Seminary, Expository Teaching. Was Dean of their Dr. Of Divinity program and preached frequently at Grace

[@RonaldMillsaps]

Don't give excessive credence to degrees and/or positions. MacArthur is a false preacher, period. He's demonic, as I'd Calvinism.

[@RonaldMillsaps]

is*

[@Anthony-ix3rp]

@@RonaldMillsaps ??

[@1tmagda]

I don't know if his condition has changed his position on these issues, but when Ravi Zacharias was accused, the predators came out, J Mac along with Alistar Begg were quick to condemn him in a very harsh way without any grace that he seems to have for Lawson. I just wished people would've looked more into his investigators Miller & Martin ant-Christian biasness & corruption history before anyone concluded a scandal. I get it, "Me Too" was a monster at that time, but it's still no excuse destroy a dead man's legacy especially when he can't defend himself. As J Mac put it well at the conclusion, so Chuck Swindoll would say "we need more grace"!

[@greg54444]

First, obviously, when your friend or family member is the transgressor, you are going to be more gracious in your denunciations. It is more difficult to call out people you love. That's not a bad thing. Second, Ravi had more problems than just the moral issues that came to light later. I started listening to Ravi daily for a while years ago. After about 2 months I figured out that while he had some good stories and illustrations, he was not really providing anything in the way of a deeper understanding of anything. Ravi was a great speaker, but everything was an appeal to emotion, even though it appeared he was speaking from intellect. Did you ever see him at a Shepherd's Conference? That is no accident. I do think that the Grace Church gang often has a lack of compassion for people who are hurting unless they are an accepted friend. That's not really a good look is it? But clearly they have denounced Steve Lawson as should have been done because JM is right, people like Julie Roy's puppet pals will use this to come after people who stand for the Word.

[@547warrior]

I agree whole hearted. Something was not quite right about it.

[@1tmagda]

@@greg54444 I agree much of what you said, Ravi did use emotion to sway listeners, but that was what made him so loved and accepted and loved by many, mixed with some intellect (he didn't want to speak above anybody) I have a few of his books and I've listened to many of his talks and stories which was rhetorical at times, but I was ok with that, he came across as one who was very gracious and that is what I think we all need more of. I feel like because Ravi wasn't a Calvinist, and that he spoke against it, he was a marked man by the determinist camp, but they never go after genius's like John Lennox for his position, maybe they'll wait until he passes to say anything. I'll have to go back and find the Shephard's conference one and see if I've heard or watched that one before....

[@1tmagda]

@@JohnGodwin777 We can attach "manipulation, exploiting and abusing women to Lawson just the same and even to J Mac ask Julie Royce, but we have to look at why and who is reporting and who his investigating and the facts surrounding these people. Many of us are lazy and just accept what we're being told but bottom line is that people are dishonest and biased in so many ways, and secularists even more so, just to beat someone down especially when you're an esteemed person in the Christian circle. I'm not denying Ravi may had a moment where he slipped, that could possibly be, but I don't believe it was as much as Miller and Martin made it out to be, especially knowing their background and in conversing with Ravi's son. Ravi had a bad back and lo "T" for a long time for me to believe the allegations especially when weighing it against his character. Miller and Martin has a history of fraudulent misrepresentation, and much of the "facts" they used to destroy Ravi's image, which worked wonders especially in the heat of the "me too" movement. I often wonder how many allegations would be dropped against people if there were consequences to them.

[@scwienert]

@@greg54444 having differing standards for someone you are close to and someone you aren’t close to is indeed a bad thing. Proverbs 24:23 NKJV These things also belong to the wise: It is not good to show partiality in judgment. Perhaps you meant to just point out that we are all susceptible to it? That may be so, but it doesn’t make it “not bad”.

[@martygough]

They hero worship pastors. Seriously that is the problem. They then hero worship celebrity pastors even more. Lawson was a mess, it should have been obvious to everyone around him, it was in kanybways but he is the pastor right? Also a pastor who did not pastor, who avoided the people. He preached, he got paid, he left

[@IsaacNelson54]

How about go to the King James Bible and let the Lord Jesus Christ tell you himself what the truth is. All this sitting down and letting the philosopher tell you how the situation is going. Let God tell you!

[@YouTuber-r5c8x]

How about you grow up and knock it off with the KJB stuff.

[@rodney8075]

I agree the KJV isn't the only reliable Bible. To say so does a disservice to your own KJV. Any good student knows that when in deep study you don't just use English translations but also the original language. The KJV isn't perfect. Period. The NKJV, ESV, NASB, and LSB are great. And better for some. So keep your tribalism out of the Church.

[@princeofpeaceproductions3506]

I appreciate MacArthur… I think the Calvinism is underlying problem that will never be addressed … dead orthodoxy is what happened to Lawson.. he was so right…that he was dead right

[@bantidas9025]

Why are these people laughing? Is it a joke? You find it funny?

[@anniehalland6790]

They didn’t find it funny - they find it obvious.

[@datchet11]

Settle down biggen.

[@cmdesign01]

no mercy for Steve ?

[@drjcw]

Mac believes God predetermined Lawson and his sin, and that God is glorified by it. Baloney. I guess Lawson was a great Calvinist but not that good of a Christian. He dropped the "P" of TULIP and never persevered.

[@DarrellEgolf]

Or just maybe it's reaping what you sowed...

[@YouTuber-r5c8x]

This guy is really something, though. Think about what he's saying about his church and his camp having such a hold on the actual truth. All that talk is really gross and it's guised in piety. All the other is okay. Typical Johnny Mac.

[@happyday2765]

If we're going to judge an adulterous person as disqualified for ministry based on the law, none of these guys are qualified for ministry, even Macarthur himself, since Christ raised the bar to include even the thought of lust to be adultery. The arrogance of these calvinist (& arminian for that matter) lordship salvationist leaders are glaring. For anyone to think they can live up to any of this is pure arrogance. For anybody to say any other person is disqualified for ministry is hypocrisy.

[@mikehamilton7668]

We can say if someone is not qualified by knowing Scripture. 1 Timothy 3:1-7 "This saying is trustworthy: “If anyone aspires to be an overseer, he desires a noble work.” An overseer, therefore, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, self-controlled, sensible, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not an excessive drinker, not a bully but gentle, not quarrelsome, not greedy. He must manage his own household competently and have his children under control with all dignity. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of God’s church?) He must not be a new convert, or he might become conceited and incur the same condemnation as the devil. Furthermore, he must have a good reputation among outsiders, so that he does not fall into disgrace and the devil’s trap."

[@L.Fontein7]

It's in the Bible dear heart look it up.

[@JohnGodwin777]

This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.

[@Titus2_13]

His theology wasn't sound

[@Jeff-gr3yl]

Shame on yous for gossiping In front of the world and doing the work of the devil.

[@johnknop6825]

So horrible. Such gaslighting. He takes no responsibility. No apologies. You help hire a robber. They rob your friends. And you are like .. well .. it happens. Absolutely disgusting. If this doesn’t humble a man, I don’t see how he is not calloused to the Holy Spirit.

[@gracegrace4734]

Thank you Lord for your faithful servant pastor John MacArthur who has edified your people and whose faithful proclamation of your Word has led many to faith in Your beloved Son Jesus Christ.

[@richhunter5013]

MacArthur needs to be exposed for his false teaching of calvanism T.U.L.I.P. another gospel Galatians 1:6-12

[@mikehamilton7668]

You could try.

[@JohnGodwin777]

Exposed? It’s not a secret dummy. If you don’t believe in Calvinism, fine. You think you would have chosen Jesus if God didn’t first choose you? Well, then I guess you’re just a better person than me and the apostle Paul.

[@Hannah11235]

Amen

[@BarkotSentayehu]

Lets not forget mcarthur was exposed a cople of years ago for embazlement Pointing fingers here

[@mikehamilton7668]

It was his son, not him.

[@dog7881]

No he wasn’t.

[@JohnGodwin777]

Liar

[@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316]

"Sound Doctrine"???? Are you kidding? MacArthur, you are in the same boat. You preach a version of God, that is unlike Christ. Don't you get it? Your doctrine is NOT sound either. You have become so ANTICHRIST in your theology that it makes me angry. Wake up Church!!!! Return to the revelation of Christ. He fully revealed His Father to us.

[@noelenliva2670]

Paul Guay, David Gray, Albert Alegrete - pedophiles protected by JMac

[@johnknop6825]

In what why is Steven and John the AntiChrist? (Curious on your perspective)

[@drelombongo5480]

Likewise here. We waiting for a sound response ​@johnknop6825

[@kimberleywalski6290]

Your comment is ignorance

[@johnknop6825]

If I might clarify my question. Steven Lawson and John MacArthur very well might be a type of AntiChrist. There are several key things that they me are missing about Jesus. I was just curious about the commentor’s perspective.

[@josephwolfe8717]

He talks about theology. Johns theology is that God ordained ,decreed and literally caused lawsons sin. You can dance around it,but that is what he teaches.

[@JohnGodwin777]

What happens that God doesn’t ordain? Lawson is responsible for his sin just as the people who crucified Christ were, even though it was God who ordained that Jesus would be crucified.