I'm Furious But NVIDIA Is Right - WAN Show September 22, 2023

[@NoKi1119]

If Microsoft actually owns Nintendo, can only shiver at the thought of its impact on Microsoft Store. -Timestamps- [0:00] *Chapters.* [0:55] *Intro.* [1:20] *Topic #1: NVIDIA releases DLSS 3.5.* > 2:02 NVIDIA's claims, "AI is the future of gaming." > 3:44 Linus on native res gaming, DLSS implementation, Luke on possible issues. > 8:52 Linus on using AI to game dev, data processing. > 15:02 Game dev, graphical fidelity, Luke's "story." > 20:41 Stream dies, spliced VOD. [20:43] *Topic #2: Microsoft's Nintendo acquisition plans leaked.* > 21:57 How rumors spread, LTT food & LinusCatTips > 22:58 Documents leaks planned projects for Xbox. > 25:11 ZeniMax's planned games, Luke on Tomb Raider. > 28:52 Microsoft's interest to acquire companies, Luke on companies that fell off. > 30:51 Nintendo Switch's power, lack of roadmap, "it's Tomb Raider, who cares?!" > 36:00 Luke on Microsoft's roadmap presentation, "pyramid scheme." > 39:02 Lack of themed Xbox, Linus's & Luke's experience, Luke's TV, Confused Dan. > 44:15 Microsoft's graph on lumping gamers together & other leaks. [45:53] *Merch Messages #1 ft. Not-so-smart Linus.* > 48:15 Have you considered adding legal experts to LMG to review tech lawsuits? > 50:39 Tips on helping my autistic brother not be susceptible to microtransactions? > 1:00:20 What actions would you take if a MrBeast-sized creator wanted to join FP? [1:01:17] *Topic #3: Microsoft's Copilot AI companion.* > 1:02:04 Release date, abilities, trying it out on stream. > 1:04:02 M365 Copilot's release date, OpenAI's DALL-E 3, new Surface devices. > 1:08:44 Trying out Copilot, failing miserably. > 1:17:13 Viewer logs in using Steam's QR, crew baffled & impressed. > 1:18:35 Luke's prompt suggestions, Linus's drawing, Luke on Copilot's preview. > 1:35:55 Linus vents about Microsoft's search ft. Sleep Country. [1:38:01] *Topic #4: House LAN center update.* > 1:41:09 Linus on rack ports, custom terminated cables, pool watercooling. > 1:45:20 Planned LTT videos, thermal camera, heat exchanger & transfer. > 1:59:08 Server-heated fireplace, Linus on existing tubes & hot water pipes. [2:05:10] *Sponsors.* > 2:05:17 Corsair. > 2:06:22 The Ridge x Hennessy. > 2:07:31 AG1. [2:09:07] *LTTStore's new onesie ft. Linus & Luke wearing it.* [2:10:20] *Merch Messages #2.* > 2:10:24 Logistics team's reaction to the M&P truck ft. G4 cube, Z Fold 3 repair. > 2:32:48 How did Luke get the Starfield Constellation Edition Smartwatch? > 2:34:39 Would the badminton center include rental rackets? > 2:36:29 RAM in Intel & AMD chips? ft. Luke's phone, old hardware, CD movies, RF-blocking paint. [2:51:28] *Topic #5: LTX2024 is not happening.* > 2:54:17 Whale LAN, potential to improve Whale LAN. > 2:59:33 Whaler_99, OG LTT forums mod, officially hired as LMG's IT guy. [3:01:55] *LMG employees' comments on M&P's owner & video production.* > 3:04:12 Best parts that didn't make it into the video? ft. Linus is a fainter. [3:11:26] *Topic #6: Asus's ROG Ally base model.* [3:11:44] *Topic #7: New KZbin policy allows channels to change YT name only.* > 3:12:18 How a hacked channel might look now, could Google not make things worse? [3:13:06] *Topic #8: Unity swaps their install fees change with a new plan.* [3:14:25] *Merch Messages #3 ft. WAN Show After Dark.* > 3:15:03 What's the itch factor on the LTT merino T-shirt? ft. Onesie photos. > 3:16:44 Tech projects wanting to stay independent despite purchase offers? > 3:18:42 Precision screwdriver showcase. > 3:18:24 5M face shield Canadian Government formal order story. > 3:19:09 Tech in its early days that would become the norm for schools? > 3:20:29 Would LTT x Noctua screwdriver be available through Noctua in Europe? > 3:20:58 Opinions on tech leaks & its impact on purchases? > 3:22:18 What was the best product in a game bundle you got? > 3:24:34 Cancelled video project you wished to release and why did you cancel it? > 3:25:49 What is Linus's opinion on Ben & Jerry's ice cream. > 3:26:47 Favorite LTTStore merch you've ever done? > 3:28:46 Opinions on Supreme Commander 2? > 3:29:05 Anything felt different since the week break? Any noticeable improvements? > 3:33:50 Tech tips on cooling without a pool? > 3:35:50 Tell a story about a time you felt like a Sims character. > 3:36:52 Thoughts on the GR Corolla & the intelligent manual transmission? > 3:37:41 Thoughts on selling 3D printed LTT screwdriver case? [3:39:20] *Outro.* _I had to timestamp this THREE TIMES today._ Side note: donation link is in my channel description.

[@teebles]

Thanks timestamp guy!

[@lazyreader4089]

Thanks man.

[@OmahaGTP]

There goes my hero

[@bizmar]

LEGEND

[@MarasiTemple]

Thanks!!! Whoooooo Timestamp Guy

[@Praderanoire]

As someone with family members on the spectrum, I have to applaud how Luke approached the answer to the merch message about microtransactions. I don't know if he has any family who is also on the spectrum, but it feels like he knows the more gentle and effective ways to get through to these people in our lives. The idea about playing a different game with them together is spot on.

[@saladgreens912]

Tbf I think he was talking in general how he would treat anyone. This kind of thing is hard to help someone with. Personally I don’t think micro transactions effect people on the spectrum differently, but they can be more susceptible to it. “You can’t force your help on someone” applies to everyone and is important to learn.

[@SubZero_4553]

When he said "Play it with them, have some fun!" it melted my heart. Such a great response.

[@shutitfukface]

@@SubZero_4553 bruh....

[@KitGerrits]

Lack of self restraint can be a symptom of lowered executive functions which can be a symptom of stress/burn-out (especially when on the spectrum). There are days when I can plan and execute my day and there are days where I go into a full-blown panic if I can't get that one silly, useless thing done *today*

[@kcscott11]

I had to read this 3 times to prevent myself from defending myself by saying "spectrum" is the only ISP worth a crap in my location, however the true meaning finally made it into my mind, and you are on point.

[@Everth97]

TIMESTAMP GUY WE LOVE YOU WHEREVER YOU ARE

[@Artholos]

Where has he gone? I have a mighty need!

[@GFClocked]

Why can't the ltt do the time stamps? Aren't they like multi million company at this point?

[@hisamiyomotsu1337]

​@@GFClockedi mean why do it if they have a single guy that does it within a few hours of stream ending and they just pay him with a free floatplane sub?

[@Artholos]

@@GFClocked why pay a scab to do it when your loyal fans do it for free?

[@Rashimotosan]

Probably left cuz Linus sucks now. Also they should timestamp their own show

[@sulack]

Linus using copilot is like teaching my mother how to use email.

[@BrandonFenty]

Except your mom is probably less stubborn.

[@grn1]

@@BrandonFenty I don't know about that, my mother can be extremely stubborn. Though she actually does decently well with email and Facebook (if she wants to learn something she can usually learn it and fortunately she understands that I can't always be there to fix stuff for her).

[@phoenux3986]

Or my Dad trying to use a touch screen, something doesn't act the way he wants and immediately he's jamming his finger into the screen randomly

[@dabigbadwolf5081]

But the average user would use such prompts.

[@dnik117]

Someone scanned the steam qr

[@drakenbakken]

I can't believe LMG was so close to acquiring Mr.Beast!

[@AustralianMurderTurtle]

The next time LMG get hacked it's because Linus left a login QR code on screen.

[@arcadeportal32]

I honestly laughted at that, someone logged there hilariously named account on his pc lol.

[@jnyc96]

@@arcadeportal32that was me! 😎 saw the code and couldn’t resist

[@Ubeogesh]

1:15:49

[@NP907AK]

I was watching when my Etsy shop was showed for the screwdriver cases. My jaw dropped to say the least. I have always loved this community so much and I started this all as a hobby and been some of the most fun and challenging time learning how to run a small business. From starting from nothing, learning basics of marketing such as SEO, planning material supply demand and having to learn to deal with a few cases of supply shortages from my material supplies… simply put, a wild ride. I cannot express enough how amazing seeing all the hard work and passion I have poured into my hobby show up. While I make a point to not advertise on LTT forums, I cannot thank you all enough for this. Really a life event that I’ll always remember of Papa Linus seeing something I did. 🙏 Truly thank you and the community ❤

[@machintrucGaming]

So, did you see a sale boost ?

[@NP907AK]

@@machintrucGaming a little, I wouldn’t say it like took off or anything but really was just damn impressive to see something I designed make it in front of Linus’ face. Was very surreal.

[@coolbugfacts1234]

I think Linus was talking about my Reddit post lol, I believe my design was one of the first, mine is the altoids tin version. I posted my STLs as public domain on the subreddit expecting to just get reddit points, and then only later set up an etsy shop on a whim because people wanted them and I had spare materials. I had much the same experience, it was fun to do, and awesome to see people enjoy it, but not exactly an amazing business. and having to figure out EFTPS and making my first payment was not the most fun thing in the world 😅

[@coolbugfacts1234]

@@machintrucGaming I designed the altoids tin bit case which I think was one of the first bit cases, I released my STLs for free in December 2022 and posted it on the subreddit, then enough people wanted them I decided to try making an etsy store. A day or two later, they posted my reddit post on their Facebook which sold quite a few of them. But rest assured, doing an etsy store selling accessories for an expensive internet screwdriver is not a very good way to shamelessly cash in, it's definitely more of a labor of love 😃

[@mully006]

Use the server heat to pre-heat the cold water into the boiler. Tap water is usually under 10C and adding any heat to that will reduce your gas bill a good amount.

[@CyberbrainPC]

This is what I do, works extremely well since... well... my well water is cold usually around 15c.

[@blunden2]

Are Canadian homes actually using natural gas for heating? I thought that was mostly a US thing. I could certainly be wrong though. 🙂 Doesn't change the usefulness of the suggestion as it would lower the energy bill, whatever the source, but just curious. 😀

[@josephdias5859]

couldnt that make his boiler work overtime since a water heater has termostats that open and close once the water inside reaches temp so continously adding watter make it have to constantly run since adding water would cool the already hot water inside

[@itsandrewt]

​@@blunden2yes. Natural gas is less expensive by a large margin.

[@adammiller9029]

@@blunden2 Electric is inefficient at heating, thats why gas is still popular.

[@mukiex4413]

1:28:36 Luke here is trying to do The Luke Thing, which is to fiercely wrestle away the foot that Linus is desperately trying to push directly into his own mouth, and I appreciate that.

[@donotworried]

fr. Really the only person in the room being rational. Damn.

[@thewatchersofthewood3530]

Yes definitely.

[@robertn6214]

Right? So soon after all the accusations of doing a terrible job reviewing products, Linus reviews the wrong version, get called out for it, and is somehow oblivious. Kudos to Luke.

[@BeerPatio]

Editors you guys did great splicing and uploading the VOD. Right on time for the east coast morning drive. Thanks!

[@arkfunatic2024]

I watched the mom and pop store video yesterday. Fantastic idea, entertaining and community spirited. I love stores like that. Although some of that stuff wouldn't be out of place in a tech museum 👏👏

[@mikkelgeorgsen]

I have to agree with some here, the computer store buyout was probably my favorite piece of content from LTT in quite some time. I hope there will be a follow up, come on AMD give them a tech upgrade ❤️

[@TheInternetHelpdeskPlays]

The instant that tick appeared on steam, i started laughing.

[@FoXzzig]

Linus, I'm a data center technician with Microsoft and I haven't heard of data centers that throw servers away without troubleshooting. It might exist but it's also likely that the person who told you that misunderstood. Some data centers loan out server space and when they do that you don't have spare DIMMs or storage devices so you pull the server out and ship it to a repair station.

[@BenjaminWagener]

My problem with upscaling is, that it kind of works quite well in 1440p and above. But it doesn't work really well in 1080p. The growth in performance of entry cards for players in 1080p is way too low and AI, upscaling and so on can not compensate it.

[@01ai01]

The copilot bit was gold 😂 From what you guys showed, it looks suspiciously like they integrated the more "advanced" cortana features instead of rebuilding the functionality to how most people would expect it to work.

[@MMNDrDre]

Very disappointed to hear that LTX isn't happening. I only ever seem to catch on to things like this when they go away. I saw the reaction to LTX 23 and was going to put together the logistics to get there next year. 😢

[@DarcMagikian]

wait LTX is cancelled forever or jsut for next year?

[@MMNDrDre]

@@DarcMagikian They haven't stated the decision as permanent, but 2024 is out for certain.

[@AdrianVM19]

Watching Linus interact with Autopilot like that is like watching my grandpa search for 'Facebook' on Google. C'mon, man!

[@turun_ambartanen]

"Turn off wifi" "do you want me to turn off bluetooth for you? (yes) (no)" Linus, five minutes later: "I have no idea why it needs my confirmation. It should just do the thing!". Imagine you are listening to sensitive material via BT heatphones in that moment... That section really was a classic Linus moment. Why should I test it properly if I can just make fun of it. Real Billet Labs vibes :(

[@ProgrammedAttempts]

Luke makes great points during the CoPilot section.

[@nickl9939]

Especially their take on the clearly different versions. Luke clearly stated that the version they were using is different than the one that would be released and was demonstrated. Even if Linus and Dan were just trying to piss off Luke, first, they went too far and actually pissed him off instead of just bantering, second, they were against clearing up their words for something so obvious. Linus goes on to say that even though it isn't the same as the one mentioned in the article, they may talk about Autopilot preview cause Microsoft released it. However, what he speaks of now clearly is not reflective and comparable of what is explained in the article yet has THE CONTEXT of what is mentioned in the article. This reminds me of his ignorance regarding the type of GPU used in the CPU/GPU combo cooler where he just assumed the similarity between the 30 and 40 gen GPU. I really enjoy most of the conversation and input given in the WAN show and didn't jump on the hate train during the recent incidents, but LTT really doesn't seem to be living up to their promise in being careful as a journalistic entity. (As an attitude, well more so Linus)

[@trashtrash2169]

We will see. This seems unnecessary at best and just plain bad at worst. Search usually shows what you're looking for and I think already has voice input, and it is much faster in general. It's also a plus that you don't need to converse with it. For that one replier, Miscrosoft is not some small company, they are not Billet Labs, what an innane comparison. I don't think LTT is actually going to change much for the better, but this is not one of the tells. This will fail like every other Microsoft experiment, and probably should. Stop slobbing on the knob of the closest AI project and realize that almost none of them are usable yet, and the ones that are will soon become paywalled to the moon. AI will be a money maker, but not a useful tool for real people.

[@trashtrash2169]

All Luke said was that the preview may not be comparable to the release build, not that any of the criticisms of the current build were invalid. As they said, the full build could suck just as much. I have to wonder why it's being made to be such a big deal when the answer will become clear by the next show, right?

[@CanoeBoi]

RF Blocking Paint! Finally! I worked as a technical support clerk for a communications company (like Rogers, Bell, etc) in Quebec and one of the higher level technicians told us about a client that painted his bedroom walls with this kind of paint because there was a huge rebate on the paint in some hardware store. Turns out the client couldn't put ethernet cables through walls (landlord refuses) so he had to strip out all the paint and do it again. That paint really worked as advertised. Lesson learned; don't cheap out on paint. Buy it nice or buy it twice! **Edit : this happened 4-5 years ago.

[@RehtseStudio]

25:59 I was folding clothes when Luke said the comment about Tomb Raider😂 I stop and got speechless . I k ow how you feel Linus 😅

[@WildkatPhoto]

Props to the editing team. I knew where thee jump cut was going to be from watching live on Floatplane and I still missed it the first two times I watched.

[@JohnSmith-oj9oh]

Why did they have to do that? Issue with Flotplane playback?

[@KevinRiggle]

2:14:05 I want to watch you build a computer with that multi-display adapter that is like an actual flight simulator cockpit

[@jimmy3189]

Luke getting angry about Linus and Dan's attitude for playing with a different preview build is pure legit and I hope he is continues to stand up for things like this because I think he's right for LTT's attitude as whole for them to be taking certain critiques on accuracy and transparency. Props to Luke for that.

[@deathofthemagi]

Poor Luke, he is trying so hard to prevent another backlash like the one that recently shut them down but it is like trying to heard cats

[@Nereosis16]

Backlash about what?

[@ichimaxify]

​@@Nereosis16about reviewing things improperly.

[@deathofthemagi]

@@Nereosis16 Something about them not testing things correctly? They stopped putting out videos for over a week as they came up with new guidelines and rechecked some videos.

[@nukedathlonman]

Well, in a sense it's too bad that LTX won't be back next year - but I also fully understand. I hope you put a little thought into perhaps letting another group take it over (aka spin it off) - I mean it was a nice large tech focused event that frankly we don't generally have many of here in Canada (I can't think of any other). Of course it will mean name has to be changed (for a few dozen reasons).

[@rdcrezz]

1:41:45 ToR Network switches are often mounted on the rear side of the rack, with reverse flow fans.

[@matthewoyan]

Sad about LTX 2024 not going through, but its nice that they're going through with Whale LAN.

[@arcadeportal32]

I always wanted to go, but I would need to save quite a bit just to even get the plane tickets to Vancouver from the US Midwest. Any air tickets I have seen were well over $600

[@lennartmook9182]

@@arcadeportal32 waste of money imho imagine how many time you can inivte your friends to dinner for that amout of cash

[@Nostalgia_Realm]

My educated guess is that the difference you are seeing in co-pilot on the laptop and in the promotion video are because Microsoft for some reason releases features only for some locales. Like the Bing points thing I don't think has ever existed in the EU, same goes for currency conversion that was (maybe now is) not possible here from Netherlands because it was locale specific.

[@vjcodec]

Mom and Pop segment was amazing! Linus was so funny in his classic sceptic humor. Also the Owner was such a character. Hope he got an ok deal to fix that truck. Linus was driving a hard bargain. Suggestion for what to do with the gear. A mock up shop with the products in a 2004, 2007 setting. Have people come in to upgrade their computers from that time period.

[@abrodeur]

I was thinking this was purchasing products to use in junk yards, but how they are talking about I am not sure any more.

[@grn1]

@@abrodeur It sounds like most of the stuff isn't fit for junk yard wars. It would also be hard to put prices on some of the stuff which makes cash limits harder to enforce.

[@Stefiou974]

''In today wan show, grown up toddlers talk tech'' 😂 especially luke with the hood on is hilarious 😂 ngl the onesie looks confy af tho !

[@Greenytica]

The pointless co-pilot pre-view thing is the 1st time I think I have ever skipped a topic. I get why Luke was annoyed.

[@hjr2000]

Luke was completely wrong on this one actually. His concerns were not valid.

[@DanH11]

31:50 - ngl that "might as well call it Switch Off" joke almost made me spit out my drink 😆

[@zwerko]

Dang, that live Co-pilot testing was embarrassing. If the version they plan to release isn't SIGNIFICANTLY better, they should probably not release it at all because people will ridicule it into oblivion and they'll never see a wider adoption even when/if it becomes actually useful.

[@mascot4950]

All the time I was watching it I wanted to teleport over there and yell "this is clearly a build they've been using to _train_ the version that's releasing in a few days, you absolute knobheads!" I mean, I could be wrong, but that just seemed so obvious to me. It's asking for confirmation for every action, including actions that it clearly just performs in the video. It just reeks of reinforcement learning before turning on the ability to fully interact with Windows in the release build.

[@trashtrash2169]

How much better can it possibly get in four days? How many people participate in previews like these? This is supposedly a build released today, or yesterday, so wouldn't the improvements from previous builds, if there were any, already be included? C'mon, where have you seen AI that can do the stuff this is being expected to do? The tech isn't there, this will be bad at release with a possibility for future improvement. Remember how Open AI has nuetered ChatGPT? Now every answer is blocked by default responses. Why? AI is hard to wrangle, and you don't want it controlling your computer.

[@mascot4950]

@@trashtrash2169You're assuming this build and the release build are the same branch, that's not necessarily the case. Given the evidence at hand, it's almost certainly not. Take games, for comparison. You often have an early access game that's updated days before release, yet tons of new content appears on release. The early access updates were only technical at that point, while the release adds tons of extra content that was never in the early access. This could well be the same. The pre-release updates being merely technical in nature, while the dataset based on the training data is only included in the release. We'll know in a few days. I'd rate my expectations at medium to low. I know how to navigate Windows, so it would have to be pretty good to be an improvement over doing it old school.

[@spusuf]

It's the wrong build entirely, the assertion that it is the latest build is just wrong. On the insider build from 2 weeks ago everything in the trailer is working 100% including dark mode, organising windows, toggling wifi, etc.

[@trashtrash2169]

@@spusuf We will see. I have to wonder what your definition of working 100% is. Even you have to realize that nothing works 100%. Nothing with AI works even 75%. This also does not change that this feature is useless. It would be faster to open search and type dark mode to change the setting yourself. The only convenience would be the settings app not opening. Definitely sounds very useful and not like more system bloat that Windows gets injected with every year.

[@vic.enzo.r0]

The Copilot is nothing near the old Cortana. I used to ask Cortana, from my bed, to shut down my computer after I watched a movie and it worked.

[@T3chpat]

No audio!

[@imjody]

Audio works fine for me.

[@cheesebucketman1606]

​@@imjodynaah that's foul man

[@cheesebucketman1606]

No the audio does not work

[@nilselton184]

VCC Vertical Circulation Core, From the beginning, this was done in multi-storey buildings such as apartments. So that it would take the same time to get hot water, like 10 seconds. Doesn't matter what floor you are on if you are on the 1st or 10th

[@EpicWolverine]

I saw that Steam QR code come up and was honestly surprised how long it took someone to figure it out and attempt to log in. And then Linus didn’t notice the animation of it giving a checkmark to log in 😂

[@medokn99]

😂😂😂😂

[@Thegreatequalizer]

1:28:00 Luke desperately tries to explain to Linus the concept that when a company says "Hey, here is what our new 1.0 version and what it can do!" and then release the 0.9 version in the meantime that you cannot then just use that 0.9 version to essentially criticize the 1.0 version as any criticism you have may well have already been resolved for that upcoming release.

[@purona2500]

YES, you can even use Linus Tech Tips own statements to mean the same thing its like criticizing their current videos after the week off or even before to criticize their future videos where they plan on increasing their standards. They havent released or started everything they said they are going to do, but they are still releasing videos.

[@zacbackas]

I work in software and totally disagree. If they have a fully working version of the software then I just don't buy that they released an essentially non-functional preview 4 days before launch. 4 days. Come on.

[@hooby_9066]

I'm of two minds regarding the native vs. DLSS rendering discussion. And I can't really decide... On the one hand, I think that video game graphics are kinda overrated anyway. Games are (or should be) about their gameplay, and about being transported into a fictional world, and being able to interact with it in various ways. I'm not saying that visuals are not important - video games are a visual medium, and the visuals are important to the mood and feel of the work. But I believe that good art direction and art design is a LOT more important to that mood and feel, than having scientifically accurate, physically based rendering. On the other hand, things like for example raytraced global illumination can do a lot for the mood, even in games that are otherwise more stylized and not aiming for photo-realism. And many older rasterization methods and tricks are just trying to emulate exactly the same look, by layering multiple hacky approximations on top of each other - to far worse results. So, giving developers more and new tools to more easily achieve whatever look they are going for, is always a good thing. And I think that's what it boils down to - the developers should be able to pick and choose whatever they feel is the best match for the kind of game they are trying to make. Over the last years we've even seen some amazing games being made with retro pixel art in low resolution and very limited color palettes - and I see nothing wrong with that at all. So, I think AI methods like DLSS and stuff, should be just another tool for developers, to allow them to achieve whatever they are aiming for? The important part here is, that it remains optional - that developers actually have that choice to use it how they see fit.

[@jesusbarrera6916]

we just keep getting unoptimized trash reliant on AI upscaling... so no thank you

[@hooby_9066]

@@jesusbarrera6916 that's not really related to DLSS though, right?

[@An4lAvenger]

My concern right now is that not every studio is using dlss. Maybe Nvidia will essentially flip the script on it so it's easier to integrate than even regular rendering. Right now it's an afterthough for smaller studios, sometimes even for larger ones, despite the clear advantage it has in widening your available audience.

[@PoleTooke]

1:17:15 lmaooooo someone scanned the QR code and signed in 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Neclony]

And here we see how bad reviews happen at least how i thin it does, right there at 1:25:00. in the article is a release date. they are testing a version that is not yet said released version and are assuming without any knowledge how old that version actual(behind the scenes) is. Luke is vey right here.

[@sunnyschramm9650]

THEY ARE WRONG and the best example IS "Cyberpunk" with DLAA - looks SO MUCH BETTER!

[@etherealmistlc]

Linus: I don't ctrl+shift+esc for task manager because my hand is already on the mouse! Linus' other hand: am I a joke to you?

[@Sett86]

I struggle to fathom a method that uses mouse to invoke task manager that would be anywhere as fast as a simple key combo.

[@etherealmistlc]

@FTreba you can right click the task bar, so it's not really that much different, but still. The keyboard shortcut is muscle memory for me so that's my go-to. Plus my left hand is usually right by those keys anyways no matter what I'm doing.

[@ppcasm9837]

I recall a story, or documentary (can't remember) somewhere that when Microsoft was developing the OG XBOX that they had approached Nintendo about buying them out, and they essentially got laughed out of the room. I'm not sure if this is what they were referring to, but that idea didn't go anywhere then and is probably less likely now.

[@roqeyt3566]

On the topic of upscaling: I think developers working within the limitations of hardware has brought us some really unique experiences. Think of badgeboosting in early Pokémon, or the fog in I believe resident evil. Simply adding a filter with graphical artifacts or one that only works on certain components is the worst way to handle working within the limitations of hardware. Now, I absolutely love that upscaling exists, especially driver level ones that are a toggle for the user (think AMD's RSR). I love it because it allows for specific experiences, such as the Steam Deck to play certain games. Using it as a "by default" required toggle is... Well, not desirable.

[@SimonVaIe]

This argument only works if you either categorize diss as somehow being different than the myriad of other performance saving measures that are in use since ages ago, or if you don't think having those be turned on by default is undesirable as well, many of them aren't even exposed in settings though.

[@jakermeister269]

Can someone explain why they had a cut out around the 20minutes mark? I tend to watch on KZbin instead of FP just to be another view in the ad revenue 😅

[@DrLegitimate]

This CoPilot segment encapsulates so perfectly everything that is Windows these days. A headline feature that doesn't so anything useful that no one asked for that came at the cost of features that people actually have cared about for decades. Pat yourself on the back Microsoft as Windows continues to lose relevance.

[@id104335409]

CoPilot is part of a worldwide government movement towards control of all data. It is being voted in right now and its purpose is to make EVERY single company to use their AI to scan through absolutely everything that you do. So when the CIA or FBI asks about people who have bomb related content on their device - the AI will dump that information to them. Or with the same power if you have let's say Biden's son laptop content - they will be at your door in an hour. Whatever they want to check - the AI will give it to them. Meanwhile the AI keeps a helpful facade to millions of people that it helps with daily query without telling them that it also spies and rats on them.

[@TSiber]

Found the Linux user

[@JCglitchmaster]

Windows will never lose relevance so long as Linux remains a massively un-user friendly experience.

[@hisamiyomotsu1337]

​@@JCglitchmasterlinux can be user friendly, ever heard of the steam deck?

[@hisamiyomotsu1337]

it has quirks to iron out and anticheats are still a pain but it's been rapidly improving, anyone who says otherwise is living 3 years ago

[@ejasmith]

Real shame about ltx 2024 as I had started planning how to finally afford the trip to Canada, but glad it was done for the right reasons

[@faeranne]

I was unable to go this year cause of financial issues, and was instead prepping for trying to go next year, but I guess... that's not happening anymore, which is really sad.

[@MegaLokopo]

That is why you have kids, younger siblings, employees or well trained pets, to flip disks and change the channel.

[@rustumlaattoe]

42:13 I bought a TV when i moved into my own place. I've had it over 2 years now and i've turned it on about 10 times. Almost all of them was to use spotify to play music in the lounge while i was washing dishes in the kitchen. I've got a 4k Nvidia shield sitting under it going to waste too.

[@nicholaschevy134]

Here in 2024 to help confuse Linus about the KZbin algorithm

[@MarkBarrett]

I've found the best way through the maze of the Starfield game. I can give it to you.

[@Subjective0]

I'm totally with luke on the copilot discussion and respect for seeing what was happening and setting your foot down. Was getting a little afraid that the whole scandal a few weeks ago had no impact on the team.

[@Marc_Wolfe]

12:01 It's almost like... how textures are applied. Lines between points ("markers"), Then textures between those... wow...

[@JonRakos]

1:16:47 Mad lad logged into their steam lmao

[@cheesebucketman1606]

Oh my yes lol

[@BrianGlaze]

Wild lol 😂

[@staberas]

you know it a troll cause he also changed the nickname

[@jnyc96]

@@staberasim not a troll that has been my steam name for about 10 years

[@thatampguy]

I’m not into gaming at all and this came up in my autoplay feed randomly. Listened to the whole thing. Good hang.

[@elamyne]

I'm so proud of Luke for being assertive on his stance in criticizing Linus during the co-pilot segment. Great on you for constantly being level headed and capable of thinking further than what is in front of you! I can see that the recent mess Linus dragged LMG through has been a wake up call for Luke and he can no longer be dismissive of his own concerns when it comes to dealing with the ignorant mind of Linus. Hopefully in the future Linus will no longer be the name and face of LTT/LMG since he continues to prove he is far too naive and arrogant to be in a leadership position at the company. It doesn't matter if he gave the company life. It doesn't matter if he has good intentions with helping consumers make informed decisions on purchases. If he can't get his head out of his own ass and realize he's not as smart as he believes/loves to self-proclaim, then he needs someone who is to replace him. A new CEO was a great first step and having a right hand man like Luke should help significantly, but if he can't grow with the company into something other than his current self, it's time to back down.

[@Pyroteq]

Regarding using heat, I have my server rack in a small storage room. To prevent the room overheating I had someone install an AC duct with an inline fan that carries the heat all the way to the AC return in my ducted AC system. This means the servers are essentially heating the entire house (although it's a big house so it's unlikely you'd ever notice it). In summer it means it will make the house a bit warmer, but since we have solar we can easily counter that just by cooling the house with the AC. In winter days are shorter and nights are colder so the server rack is giving a small help to heating the home (again, probably hard to measure but it's something) and the server room stays a decent temperature all year round.

[@ChewyFudge]

No audio on my end...

[@cheesebucketman1606]

No you're not crazy the video itself doesn't have any audio

[@gregor2436]

Works now. KZbin doing KZbin stuff.

[@spusuf]

That copilot version is very old, the insiders have had fully functioning copilot for a while, including dark mode, toggling system settings, launching apps without input, etc.

[@Quanalogy]

Hey DJ NoSound, I don't like this track

[@Redhell-]

Probably KZbin fault

[@thqp]

can we please discuss the new 1080p "premium" quality option of youtube in next weeks WANshow?!?!? It came in effect for me today, and holy damn, the regular 1080p is such a pixelated blurry mess.........................

[@TetraSky]

Luke really called Tomb Raider a movie tie-in game... Oh ... Oh my God...

[@Antrikshy]

Then he called the Spider-Man game (presumably the 2018 one) movie tie in… I’m still not sure if he was joking.

[@transgrl]

I feel like a big issue with focusing on games using AI to render is that the network needs to be trained on the game in the first place so this is going to leave indie developers behind which is a huge problem

[@transgrl]

Also AI has to be trained on rasterised images in the first place right? So won't this just result in stagnation of graphics if we rely on AI?

[@zachb1706]

1. Indie developers generally don't push the limits of graphical fidelity. DLSS wouldn't be needed 2. Since DLSS 2 games don't need to be specifically trained for it.

[@lignorof8475]

i still remember when this WAN show only had 20 minutes

[@KazuhiraWolf]

Most AWS data center equipment is Front IO, it's easier to work with, from power to network cables.

[@KaoruSugimura]

Nvidia isn't 'right' they just have a business mindset. It's significantly cheaper and more profitable long term to push exclusive software upgrades with marginally better hardware generation to generation vs providing a good value upgrade generation to generation based on hardware spec bumps. Hence the 40 series actually being a hardware downgrade in some areas but they sold them on the software exclusive features and called it an upgrade. This is what happens when there's a lack of competition. My expectation for the 50 series is a repeat of the 40 series. Little to no hardware upgrades but one new exclusive feature that just can't possibly run on the older cards because fuck you that's why. Now buy our overpriced garbage because you have no other choice in the high end PC market.

[@steel5897]

Armchair-expert redditor comment.

[@Raigekon]

Sooner or later we'll reach a transistor size limit(and we are close already), at which point making any kind of performance improvement will be difficult. That means that there will have to be new tech that will improve performance further, some of it on the software side and some on hardware side(rt cores as a example). They can probably make the gpus bigger as well, but that comes with higher power consumption and also means the gpus will be hotter and harder to cool. So yes there are limits that can't be overcome with brute force and both nvidia and amd will hit those same limits.

[@AkuniLesare]

​@@gozutheDJyes, but not at that pace. Also, we've had 60 cards (as by architecture and hardware choices) sold as 70 cards, to jack up prices. Don't try to defend Nvidia. They are just after the money.

[@joee7452]

@@Raigekon Yes and no. Are we close? Yes, are they close on consumer side, no its probably 10+ years out for them to reach where business is currently going. There is a huge size difference between Nvidia's 7nm chips and the 2nm chips that IBM successfully made a couple of years ago. Heck, the is a large difference between the standard 2nm that are going to be made starting next year with the 45nm gate and the IBM chip with it's 12nm gate which I think is scheduled to be made in late 2025 or early 2026. I believe they are working on making a 1nm and chip next year and they expect to get to 1/2nm after that. So for Nvida which is on 7nm now, they would be going to 5nm as the 2nms will start being made and by the time they go to 3 or 2nm the 1nm will be being made, etc. By the time they reach the limit of the current silicon designs, tech will have moved on to something different.

[@Kadeda]

@@jfolz You're thinking of the 4060ti... the 4060 was a solid 20% ish uplift. You guys call nvidia on this but for some reason the 7800xt is fine. it's worse than the 4060ti in uplift.

[@dgillies5420]

2:36:29 VLSI process tech is tuned for the particular chip being made. DRAM needs high capacitance for small and long-lasting DRAM capacitors. CPUs need very low capacitance for high-speed signal propagation. So one chip cannot do both efficiently.

[@raptros_]

re the nvidia stuff, I think the issue is that over the years we've seen that artistry, style, design can punch far above a game's level of graphical detail.

[@joaoie]

2:47:00 listened to this podcast while I had a laserdisc player open for maintenance. Can't wait to see the video

[@ClowdyHowdy]

Watching Linus interact with the AI like it's a person, then getting frustrated when it doesn't react like a person is a good representation of how people naturally frame their interactions with current AI models. It's almost like a subconscious thing. It does seem though like Linus does always approach this stuff antagonistically as if he needs to obfuscate his intention to the AI as a challenge, instead of issuing simple commands. There is a balance between finding ways to break it and also finding ways in which it actually works. I'd like to see him at least try to find out what it can do in addition to what it can't. Also, he took the ai response at face value, when it said it's an AI, it can't interact with the computer. That's just the bing AI coming through. If it's bugged, it will rely on it's fallback bing AI responses. It's not self aware, like Linus is treating it

[@DiSCERiTY]

I hate AI and will always treat it in antagonistic way because people are already stupid with this "invisible computer" shit. AI is just going to exacerbate that to a huge degree. After all, AI is just lots of computers in another place doing computations, but the casual person does not think about that at all. It's lame.

[@callummcneill6266]

It should be tested like this as that is what Microsoft was advertising

[@ClowdyHowdy]

@@DiSCERiTY reacting emotionally towards AI and taking out your frustrations on it when you interact with it is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. Thank you for helping demonstrate that in another way.

[@berryblaster21]

2:23:26 that would be sick, thats always what I wanted to do with a G4 Cube, since way before I even knew how to build a PC

[@SyntheticFuture]

Having seen what NERF rendering and what generated frames can look like I honestly agree with Nvidia. If these techniques look good and are much faster to render why not go for it? Will it REPLACE traditional rendering? Hard to say. I feel like super dynamic elements would be hard to do that way but fairly static items like buildings and stuff being much much easier to render already saves a ton of rendering capacity.

[@MazeMouse]

3:24:30 My favorite gamebundle was when I was a little kid and it had Earthsiege 2, Civilization 2, and Settlers 2. And it was like a tenner at Dixons.

[@jamesmccandless3435]

LTX bi-yearly makes alot of sense

[@Metal_Maxine]

Not least because doing the planning cycle every year would be murderous, let alone having to pre-film extra content to run around it etc

[@nathnathn]

I almost blacked out one while getting a blood sample taken. It was a clinic technician hitting something “nerve/muscle” Before hand i could just watch them do it without issues now i instinctively tense up. Probably not helped by having tremors since shaking limbs don’t mix well with needles

[@Schaelpy]

Luke is a complete hero at 1:28:07

[@ayetik]

Linus being a ....... once again. He wont learn from his mistakes ...... just makes me wanna unsub because of his BS

[@Wavpro]

Linus is simply reviewing what Microsoft released, there is nothing wrong with that. It may change in the future, but this is the current state of the feature. He shouldn't review it based on any future promises.

[@trevorbeingtrevor]

Idk I felt both sides on that one. They should of heeded Luke's alarm bells going off though and just moved on sooner. In the end, I think most people got the big disclaimer that they felt unprepared to make a full judgement on it yet, but what they had seen today was not impressive.

[@stoogel]

@@ayetikSeriously, I feel like every time I watch the WAN show Linus has a moment where he acts petulant or bitter in a way that it’s obvious he learned nothing from recent events.

[@stoogel]

@@Wavpro Very important to note he is not reviewing what Microsoft released. The whole point is that he shouldn’t treat it as such. They weren’t even using the latest Insiders build.

[@bradencannon3045]

Hey last week you guys were talking about standardizing laptops and talked about the xps for reliability. This may be different with other people but I have had to send my xps 15 9520 back twice since I got it this summer due to motherboard issues.

[@Cantimule]

I use a 4k LG C2 OLED, I cannot tell the difference in-game between 1440p and 4K, other than the framerate dropping. So long as DLSS doesn't make the game look worse, I'd be happy to use it. My current experience is kinda mixed though, lots of weirdness being added to things like fences and overhead cables, flickering and stuff. I do think this is a good path to take, though, so long as the upscaled performance isn't being used as an excuse to hike prices. Nvidia seems to be very aggressively pushing reviewers to factor in DLSS to try and justify the insane price tags on the 40 series cards.

[@Rashimotosan]

Sorry but it's absolutely worth it and DLSS 3.5 is god mode

[@Cantimule]

@@Rashimotosan Do you mean "worth it" as in just enabling it and adding it to more games? Because yes I'd agree with that. Or do you mean "worth it" as in paying Nvidia more money for essentially the same performance hardware? Because that definitely is not worth it.

[@Shade00a00]

When Cortana first came out its advanced functionality was limited to US-English locale settings with us-english display language and region marked as united states. If any three of those settings for you aren't US/US/US I would expect the behavior to be as much of a miss - including missing audio processing or being unable to legally act on your behalf on your computer

[@yannick7049]

39:00 The leaked documents talk about how Microsoft wants to put the new Xbox Series X in Xbox Design Lab, so console customization is absolutely something they are thinking about. 1:27:00 And for the record, the Copilot they're using here is indeed not the one Microsoft announced. This version has been available for months. The Windows update they installed just swapped out the old icon for the new one, but everything else is back-end stuff that simply hasn't properly rolled out yet.

[@grey8_]

Awesome that another user said this about the Copilot! I commented this, too. Was frustrating to see that because it doesn't really represent what they plan to release. I don't really have a lot of love for Microsoft; but I think accurate portrayal is important.

[@trashtrash2169]

We will see, lol.

[@jonathanzj620]

Pool advice - if you have plaster or something like pebbletec and it is truly getting that warm there, you can't feasibly drain the pool for that long without that cracking and causing cracks. Same for if it's just a pool liner, but at least then you can more cheaply replace the liner. Good thing in winter is that you don't really need to balance chemicals will need to be balanced because stuff doesn't grow below a certain temp really. Don't put antifreeze in it please. Generally, run the pump LONGER in winter but at a lower speed (in general).

[@imjody]

Interesting; it went from 3:20:46 in length on the live stream, up to 3:40:17 on the upload.

[@blankidelics]

Because of the 20 minutes lost due to the stream getting interrupted

[@imjody]

@@blankidelics thank you for clarifying, as I did not watch live. 🙏

[@rikschaaf]

12:58 If you were to combine this technique with a geometry similar to Astroneer, I think that you could create quite awesome destructible environments.

[@NickVu1]

Nvidia:"More's law bla bla bla" Translation: We are cutting the size of our every GPU in order to get skyhigh margins and we blame it on technology. Bad take that we need software solutions so that manufacturers can cut their cost with die shrink.

[@Raigekon]

You do realize that there are actual limits to how much smaller transistors can get right? Physics limits that is, eventually they won't be able to make them smaller, so they literally won't be able to get more performance, unless they make the gpu bigger, with higher power consumption and also hotter as a result.

[@NickVu1]

@@Raigekon They reduced the die size of the 3070 from 392.5 to 294mm in the 4070 long before we reach any technological wall. All the while TSMC was announcing that had 20% open capacity for manufacturing. And same shit is being done by AMD to be clearing it's not Nvidia's first

[@zwenkwiel816]

I think a lot of this is on the devs though. They pretty much get to decide the system requirements for their game and whether or not DLSS or FSR is required for playable framerates on reasonable hardware. And as usual they tend to go for prettier graphics above all else and then just rely on upscaling to get it at a decent framerate...

[@gulagamelee4804]

What i really fear is that the move to forced dlss will be bad for gaming overall. Game devs will get really lazy ane stop optimizing their games cause "muuuh dlss fixes it hurdur"

[@Raigekon]

I didn't say we are there yet, i said there are limits and sooner or later neither nvidia or amd will be able to make things smaller. Both amd and nvidia are years ahead with the R&D, so this is paving the way for new tech for future generations. Also atm 40 series has a transistor size of 4N, and 5N and smaller become very difficult to produce using silicon. So we are slowly reaching theoretical limits with silicon. I suspect that in 5-8 years we will reach the minimum size for silicon, but I may be wrong. @@NickVu1 Edit: 4N is TMSC process size, transistor size 8 nanometer. So the cpus can still be made quite a bit smaller.

[@KitGerrits]

Of you can stick a heatpump in that loop, you can use that to cool the servers and room with, say 20C water.

[@timothymine1135]

Dang it. I was really hoping that LTX 24 would happen as I have not been able to make it to any before. :( I was even going to blow the money for the whale ticket with the PC, if they did that again. Was going to be my one real vacation I have ever had.

[@Megukaphii]

Yep, that was my plan too since I should finally have a job to pay for it, haha. But hey, never say never, it might come back (maybe with efficiences they learn from Whale LAN?)

[@grn1]

@@Megukaphii One of the things Linus mentioned was the need for a new building that they own and control. He said once they have their own building they can save on a lot of the cost and complexities involved in setting things up which I infer to mean that LTX 25 could be viable.

[@TheTechhX]

I love when luke and linus fight, its always so funny. Its just like my esoteric discord arguments

[@SNMG7664]

There were no rumours that the Switch 2 was meant to be anything like the PS5 in terms of specs. I don't know where that came from in the show? Don't we at this point more or less know the chip that's going in to the thing? Some people spoke about a closed door Unreal Engine demo at Gamescom that had "comparable visuals" to a showing on PS5 a couple years ago. Considering the Switch 2 has advantages in the form of DLSS, some amount of dedicated Nvidia RT hardware if it is Ampere or newer, and a several-years-newer version of UE5 on top of that it doesn't seem particularly unrealistic to me for it it run something that you'd think it might not be able to at like 720p 30fps and then use all manner of scaling magic to turn that in to something that is to 99% of people somewhere between comparable and indistinguishable to something they saw on PS5 a few years back.

[@Jasperr9999]

Yeah I thought it was a bit off when they were saying it would _run_ like a PS5 when the quote was about a graphical comparison. The point was that the Switch 2 will have 4k capability using DLSS while keeping high frame rates. There's also been rumors of raytracing on it but tbh I really doubt it, though if it did have raytracing then the graphics comparison would check out.

[@EsePeritoLoco]

You can also install Water Re circulators They send the cold water from your hot water pipes and stop as soon as they send The hot water so you don't lose water Resurculated back into the cold water system

[@cpt0bvius]

Linus also thought he was right about the Billet Labs video/situation. I'm 100% with Luke; someone could legitimately conflate the actual item with the early build.

[@RossBart21]

Luke just made me laugh so hard. Tomb Raider the look on Linus’s face. Priceless.

[@Antrikshy]

I still don’t know if he actually thought the 2018 Spider-Man game is based on a movie. Because it’s not. It’s completely unrelated and way better.

[@Acuas]

Story and gameplay are a problem in most AAA games nowdays, half of them just focus on graphics, and the other half just focus in being as big as possible, but forget the details, and to give life to the massive world they created, Starfield is the last example of this second type of AAA, massive world, a lot of worlds, but almost nothing to do in them.

[@danielpope6498]

You can get little water to air radiators that sit inside vents in your house as part of a hydronic heating system. They aren't expensive and they would look exactly the same as the vents in a forced air heating system. Id link one here but not sure what the policy on amazon links is.

[@HeisenbergFam]

Linus is so furious video lost the audio

[@passnidge]

I'm getting audio now after a page refresh

[@Sotanaht0]

Biggest problem with dlss is a race to the bottom. We can see it clearly in starfield, devs will take any excuse to not optimize their games. Instead of getting something thats better looking or runs better with dlss, what well end up with is something thats worse native and needs dlss to barely run or barely look possible.

[@joesterling4299]

Smart-guessing the missing pixels to upscale an image can never be better than the original image at a higher resolution to begin with. AI upscaling may do a pleasingly good job, sure. So the question then becomes what matters to you. What concerns me the most has already happened: games rendering at sub-1080 resolutions and leaning on upscaling as a crutch to reach 1440p and 4K. Give devs a crutch, it becomes their third leg (fourth?). Optimization is a legitimate and necessary step in the development of any good game, and it shouldn't get skimped on with cheats like upscaling.

[@ferinzz]

the way you worded it makes me think of generative fill... gotta be realy careful about how much you fill in. Which is probably why they're saying that 1440 is the point where it is legitimately viable.

[@DavidRomigJr]

I love the Shannara books, which reminds me I missing some of my Terry Brooks and David Eddings books.

[@bj_]

Just like ReShade has democratized shaders, I really look forward to a future where gaming communities can band together to train their own AI models to use in games like shaders today

[@mafl7291]

Ooh, that sounds so awesome if it were to happen!

[@alynoser]

1:14:25, when mom and dad start yelling at the dinner table