NVIDIA Fake Frames Scandal - WAN Show January 10, 2025

[@NoKi1119]

-Timestamps- [0:00] *Chapters.* [1:14] *Intro ft. "Can't sell the WAN Show anymore."* [2:29] *Topic #1: NVIDIA's RTX 5000 series keynote ft. Lisps.* > 5:36 NVIDIA's "fake frames," concerns with future benchmarks. > 8:04 Do "fake frames" DLSS count towards the card's performance? > 11:49 Recalling RTX 4000 DLSS demo, async reprojection, latency. > 17:33 DLSS's on by default, game settings, NVIDIA was cooperative. > 23:56 "Don't screw this up," claims, reviews expectations, NVIDIA's event. [31:34] *Topic #2: Intel's Arc B580 bad performance according to Hardware Canucks.* > 32:53 Lack of official support with Intel's 9th Gen, ReBAR, Bad AM4/AM5 performance. > 34:09 Hardware Unboxed, how many CPU gens should GPUs makers support? [37:44] *Merch Messages #1.* > 38:57 Common arguments you have with your SOs? ft. L&L, Brandon, rickroll. [52:48] *California's fire, Colin and Samir's & Kyle Bitwit's homes.* > 56:02 Drone takes down a Canadian water bomber. [Cont.] *Merch Messages #1.* > 56:23 Best way to speed up a Synology NAS? [58:50] *LTTStore's couch & hot potato hoodie.* > 59:48 Limited edition hot hoodie, Luke demoes the hoodie, FP guys. > 1:03:44 Can Luke tell what PC parts are? ft. Modmat releasing next WAN Show. [1:17:19] *Topic #3: CES 2025.* > 1:17:35 Digitized arcade, chess robot, "does Linus let Luke finish a sentence?" > 1:25:31 "Narwal turns militant," Hisense's TVs, lifting exoskeleton. > 1:35:01 New eGPU enclosures & USB cables, Thunderbolt Share. > 1:39:38 NVIDIA's Constellation, XREAL One Pro, Luke tries it. [1:47:31] *Sponsor - Thermaltake.* [1:50:02] *Merch Messages #2.* > 1:50:21 What can a junior do to catch up to those using PCs as kids? > 1:51:26 What would you recommend to tech-ify a new home? > 1:53:04 Is Linus excited over the new ANNO game? ft. Retirement stream anniversary. [1:56:50] *Topic #4: Linus to star on The Tonight Show.* [2:11:32] *Topic #5: AMD Ryzen AI Max.* > 2:19:16 Lenovo Legion Z2 Go, Ryzen AI Max GPU specs, past gen TV prices. > 2:24:52 Tech yacht, Facebook marketplace yacht shopping. > 2:27:42 Why yachts are cheap, content ideas, considering seeing it. > 2:32:48 Linus wants a jet, Luke tries to suggest a plane. > 2:36:06 Linus on the plane's weight, "50 people can charter it." > 2:40:26 Painting boat in black and RGB, naming the yacht. > 2:41:36 Luke suggests other planes, "get a 737," TheJetBusiness. > 2:45:22 Annual cost, blimps, partying & charters. > 2:49:54 Final call to proceed with the yacht, messaging sellers. > 2:52:47 pinball machine, talking about phases, Terren Tong. > 2:58:16 Linus thought about buying a hotel, problems with it. [3:01:36] *Topic #6: Lenovo Legion Go S to use Valve's SteamOS.* [3:01:54] *Topic #7: Meta suspends fact checking module.* [3:03:18] *Topic #8: Amazon TV may unmute itself during commercials.* > 3:04:06 How far would companies go to make you watch ads? [3:05:50] *Floatplane's new beta layout.* > 3:06:21 Sammy nearly breaks the robot. [3:09:26] *Linus's wisdom teeth & food.* [Cont.] *Yacht, yacht, yacht!* > 3:10:22 "I know a guy for a plane." > 3:12:32 Gulfstreamer offers a tour of the facilities. > 3:15:23 dBrand, discussing costs. [3:19:36] *Topic #9: Framework community on fire over one joke line.* [3:23:24] *Merch Messages #3.* > 3:23:33 Career advice. > 3:25:15 Using an RTX 5090 as a heater? ft. "Goat," losing it. > 3:28:18 Advice for vasectomy recovery. > 3:29:00 Thoughts on giving kids Apple Watches instead of phones? > 3:30:16 Which RTX 5090 is Linus getting? > 3:32:07 How long was LTT Modmat in development for? > 3:35:22 How do you remotivate yourself? > 3:35:48 What was the most satisfying aspect of your job? > 3:39:36 Why's the hate on Fortnite? > 3:44:25 Thoughts on upgrading OG Ally's battery? > 3:46:28 Linus's experience with Tough Socks. > 3:47:18 Most expensive product at CES 2025? > 3:48:56 Where's the 2024 & 2025 sticker bonus? > 3:49:55 Any advice to let Dan be less aggressive at curating? [3:50:52] *Outro ft. Confused confusion.* Side note: donations are available in my channel's about section, thanks!

[@FleaOnMyWiener]

You are beautiful ❤️

[@piveeolol]

bros so fast

[@HelloPixels]

thank you 🙏

[@iGerman]

I love you, and so does everyone else here

[@lovem1lk]

Stream over only 3 minutes ago. HOW???

[@snazzy]

4 hours. Hooboy.

[@NoKi1119]

How long until 5 hour WAN Show's back? 👀

[@AthanImmortal]

3:51:48 .... PRETENDER TO THE THRONE!

[@castortoutnu]

Pfff not even

[@StoneyMaloney1]

Light work.

[@maddawgzzzz]

Light weight babyyy!!!

[@Xassefras]

I see Cosmo and Wanda are disguising themselves as Linus’ hoodie.

[@cybernedlytedlythewise7499]

Under rated comment 😂😂

[@Damicske]

Whahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha

[@ChaoticD3sTroYeR]

LMAO... top tier comment. 😂Linus really is just successful Timmy.

[@ser1es835]

This caught me off guard lmao

[@SaiyaRanGaming]

😂😂😂

[@Cptn.Viridian]

2:33:00 Genuinely the play might be to buy a rail car. Cheaper, infinitely less maintenance, and extremely generous carrying capacity. Im not sure how the charter scene is up in Canada, but I know Amtrak in America will haul your private train car on the end of their train, with service hookups as well.

[@jfwfreo]

Does Vancouver even have the kind of railroad tracks and station you would need to make that work?

[@kart182]

That’s so cool

[@metroidfan220]

Plus you can call it the Hype Train

[@arnaudthevenet3802]

I can't see The Whale Yacht Lane work in a company where they try to "limit their footprint" in terms of packaging, shipping, etc.

[@erejnion]

@@jfwfreo Actually, LMG itself is like 150m from such railroad tracks, and less than 3km away from a heritage railway depot. If the heritage railway can be used, surely a Linus Tech Train can also be used.

[@superbnns]

17:41 A while back, a friend was streaming the original Bioshock on Discord. Something looked off to me immediately, but he didn't seem to think so. I asked him to open the graphics settings, and it turns out he had been playing it at 800x600 for the past 20 minutes and thought nothing of it. Some people really just don't care.

[@satratic127]

Wh... wha.. what! God the beauty of ignorance

[@sdmitch16]

Note superbnns didn't easily notice the low resolution. I'm confident 1080 AI upscaled to 4K will be good for 90% of users.

[@Jestokost]

@@sdmitch16 there’s a difference between noticing it on a screen in front of you, vs. noticing it in a (likely windowed) stream of someone else’s PC using an app with lossy image compression. I even agree that most people will be fine with AI upscaling, but this has almost zero bearing on that.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

I cant wait for the 5090 vs the 4090 raster benchmarks.

[@oxfordsparky]

Around 30% uplift.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@oxfordsparky yeah that is what I am thinking

[@H4GRlD]

30% more powerful and 30% more expensive while using 30% more power, insane value. 🙂

[@427cidpower]

@@H4GRlD buy more to save more! 🤣

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@@H4GRlD wait for the benchmarks

[@EmAllWasTaken]

Dan is a freakin encyclopedia of random but somehow useful information.. Gotta love that dude.

[@benkendall7489]

God I fucking love Dan it’s great seeing him like alert and perk up when a topic he’s knowledgeable on comes up

[@kart182]

I think they mentioned his family or friends or something are in the yacht business which is why he knows so much. Love Dan

[@DoitYHWH]

@@benkendall7489Why call out on the Lord and take his name in vain, sad.

[@bratan_archer]

Love Dan, but there is no way that generator fuel to run anything on a boat like that is $40-60k a day. That's roughly 50 tons of fuel, enough to cross the Atlantic. The yacht might use several tons a day while cruising. Electricity generation is less than cruising.

[@doc8125]

​@@bratan_archerI think there was some guesstimation being thrown in when accounting for the 50 gaming PCs linus wanted to throw onto the boat lol

[@camerongordon5818]

The biggest issue I can see is that Devs are already using DLSS and FSR as a crutch for skipping optimisation, what happens when you have a GPU without multi-frame generation and the Devs start using that to try get playable framerates

[@aforiegnarchitect]

Do you mean like cyberpunk 2077? Dragons Dogma 2? Remnant 2? Starfield? Silent Hill 2? or stalker 2? We have been at this point: using upscaling and frame gen as a REQUIREMENT basically since the beginning

[@DanielFerreira-ez8qd]

@@aforiegnarchitectAdd monster hunter wilds to that pile. Requiring framegen on midrange GPUs for the RECOMMENDED specs.

[@KBorePC]

This is my issue as well. I do very much think upscalers and frame gen is cool tech to boost your experience. But when it's required to play games because devs havent optimized, or require full RT like Indiana Jones that's when it's an issue.

[@finderbades]

all triple a games have been closed or laying off the devs. they aren't making games worth caring about and a 4090 will play the 2077 benchmarcks the same as 5090 cause its the same 2077 being tested on it.

[@AndrewB23]

Or are the GPU companies are trying to make it so even if the game is unoptimized we can still enjoy it, not a fan boy I'll buy the best I can afford don't care the brand

[@nes999]

I'll donate 1,420.69 USD for it to be named Linus Tug Tips.

[@GameDevyn]

I’m a game developer. I have watched modern AAA Titles launch with DLSS on by default. I like DLSS when it’s used to squeeze more performance out of games that already run well but that’s not what’s happening. Instead, Unreal 5 pushes developers to use one click “solutions” that reduces the amount of work required, even at the cost of massive performance hits and DLSS with frame gen is the one click “solution” to solving the performance hits. This creates a worse experience for gamers and I’m not on board. Editing my comment to clarify my opinion. Not all developers misuse these new technologies. When used properly, games look great and run well. But most AAA studios focus on maximizing profit margins. It’s very easy to get rid of the people whose jobs it is to optimize, saving hundreds of thousands of dollars, and instead turn on nanite, Lumen, and DLSS. This means gamers get a worse experience.

[@abecx]

I highly disagree, I as well am a developer for over 20 years. What unreal engines and dlss features do is free up time to for dev to focus on mechanics and not performance. People have NEVER bought a video game for the graphics, its not 1995 anymore. People want invigorating gameplay with unique fun. There is a reason every single Valve game is successful and its not because of graphics. Nintendo pumps out amazing games with the worst graphics. Zelda was cell shaded and sold millions of copies. Name a single game that people purchased because the performance of it was so smooth and the framerates were so high. You're speaking from a developer perspective and not from a consumer perspective. The average consumer wants god of war level immersion, not tomb raider on max settings to be smooth.

[@GameDevyn]

@ totally agree to disagree heh. I’ve bought many games for graphics. Especially half life 2. I realize I’m not the norm but assuming everyone buys things for the same reason isn’t right. Never is an absolute word that I think is extreme, I agree it’s not necessarily common. Folks gushed about the graphics of Witcher 3 and later Cyberpunk. Same with red dead redemption and grand theft auto. I think tools are great, and I see DLSS as a tool. I think it’s being misused but that doesn’t mean I find it useless. Regardless, I appreciate your perspective!

[@Syntaxoutofmind]

Yeah, I was annoyed by the stance, "It's here to stay". So, you seriously want to tell me, I will never play a game with nice graphics, even on low with reasonable fps in native resolution ever again? Anyone who experiments with DLSS and Frame Gen a bit will clearly see all the artifacts, flickering, tearing and blurriness of the games. How is this acceptable? People already have forgotten how games looked before all the upscaling and multiplying frames.

[@sycronxiv]

​​@@Syntaxoutofmind I agree with the head comment tbh. Many players forget just how much computing power was needed to render older games, especially with techniques like edge smoothing. SSAA in particular was incredibly demanding, and while it produced great visuals, it came at a high performance cost. DLAA is a good step forward because it leverages AI to deliver high-quality results without the heavy resource drain of traditional methods like SSAA. As for the use of DLSS and Frame Generation, they can be fantastic for boosting performance, especially in well-optimized games. But the auto-implementation in engines like UE5; automatic optimizations don't always consider the best balance between visual quality and performance, and they can lead to inconsistent results. Developers should find a balance between those methods, and not make it the new norm. It should be additional only, not a mandatory thing.

[@harmless6250]

@@abecx as a consumer…when the game doesn’t run smoothly nothing else about the game really matters.

[@captanspace]

Guys, I'm begging you. when testing the new gpus, compare the latency accordingly. If the game is running at 24 fps and your turn on frame gen and it hits 200fps, you need to compare the latency with the game running at 200fps with lower settings without frame gen. If you compare a 50ms 24fps with a 38ms 200fps, even though 200 fps should have been 5ms, nvidia will get away with it again. We need to introduce another indicator other than fps, because if there's only one, they are going to sacrifice everything to improve it. You have the power to be one of the bastions of gaming, so please be it.

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

Good point, i also concerned about that, because to able to gen those fake frames it means the real frame actually was rendered, just not displayed on the screen, because the GPU just starting to generate those fake frames between the 2 real frames, alias a significant delay will appear what is similar to input lag.

[@dpb22]

Nvidia is going to get away with it anyway. Their gaming division is a rounding error compared to the AI sales, so if everyone hates what is going on and they don't sell, they just leave the space and count their money. But they will sell because everyone buys Nvidia cards. And why? Because their software is better. The same software everyone is bitching about - "its generating fake frames!"

[@jorismak]

If you care about the (potential) performance of a card, framegen should not be included. If you talk about the gaming experience, framegen is something to include, but yes, including latency is a very good thing then (but also the number of output frames, because that's what framegen is for, reach those crazy high framerates modern monitors can do, but with AAA games).

[@Trucking4Jesus]

im going to go to Gamers Nexus for the true benchmark testing, linus and his team fumble way too often when it comes to benchmarking and testing products.

[@captanspace]

@daMillenialTrucker yeah, it's unfornute. Since they have a much broader reach.

[@azenyr]

"I'm not paying $2000 for a card and have to still turn on fake frames generation" - all said

[@xerith22]

100% agreed. We made a huge mistake as a community, allowing dlss to be a staple on all cards and not just the low end cards for some cheeky frames. The 4090 a d 5090 should not have it as an option.

[@sp6450]

The only issue we have about DLSS Frame Generation is the latency and the fact that the generated frames do not have any input from you. Well I think Reflex 2 is somewhat counter acting this.

[@n0h4ndl3]

@@sp6450 "we"? The problem I have with DLSS is that the generated frames aren't real and don't reflect what's actually happening in the game. The problem I have is that it causes shimmering, jittering particles, and looks like you've smeared WD40 on your monitor. And yes, the latency.

[@nickwallette6201]

Absolutely agreed. I'll take 1080p with zero AI, please. I'd rather have fake pixels than fake frames. This reminds me of that awful feature of consumer TVs that turned human movement into uncanny valley vampire glides by making all video content 120Hz.

[@RubelliteFae]

The TV remote control was originally sold on its ability to mute ads. Human desire to not be psychologically manipulated by corporations isn't new or to be avoided.

[@nes999]

This is my favorite fact I've learned in recent history. Thank you!

[@ZOMPTONSTOMPER]

No it wasn't

[@RubelliteFae]

@@ZOMPTONSTOMPER Because of bots we're no longer allowed to post links, or I would. But you're freely able to search "history of the TV remote." There's a lot of fascinating things about it. Like, before infrared many worked off of sound frequencies. Which had interesting results when other things in the environment would hit those frequencies and people's channels started changing at random. Anyway, no need to be a contrarian asshole. Go learn. 🌈🌟

[@sligit]

Whether that's how it was marketed, that's what it was designed for. "In the 1950s in the US, Zenith Electronics president Eugene F McDonald gave the company’s engineers a challenge: he hated having to sit through adverts. He wanted a device that could let him mute them, or skip to another channel"

[@RubelliteFae]

@@ZOMPTONSTOMPER Ah. The old playground technique of, "Nuh uh." It always works. 😄 (Poe's law notice.)

[@SeroKitsune]

The amount people that are saying "5070 = 4090" after CES is baffling to me..

[@thecooljohn100]

These are the same people screaming "fake frames!" from the top of their lungs. Do they not know that's the only way the 5070 will be matching the 4090 is with "fake frames". Only in applications with frame gen will the 5070 match a 4090. In anything without frame gen, my guess is the 4090 will be the second fastest GPU still, even faster than the 5080.

[@milkycannon444]

@@thecooljohn100 you're lost john

[@zer00rdie]

@@thecooljohn100 Are you for real?

[@meateaw]

The number "zero" baffles you?

[@levi7581]

Yeah bro I've seen so many people say that I can count them on one hand

[@historybugs]

"I'm not buying a 2000$ GPU to turn on fake frames". This is the most reasonable and logical comment i have ever seen in the tech world for a long time

[@expertb6348]

This wan show is up there as one of the best. Every time I think Linus can't get any crazier ideas he somehow does. Also I'm convinced Dan is a vampire. Him knowing everything about everything will never cease to amaze me.

[@AdamsWorlds]

Future benchmarking is fairly clear to me. Crank settings to the max they can go to hit 60fps. 120fps, 144fps Don't add any DLSS, FSR none of that. Do a separate test with DLSS/FSR to see how much a percent improvement you should expect and what this looks like. People can just add say 20% to the figures from 60fps, 120fps, 144fps target settings to know what to expect. No need to know if a card does 323 fps or 88fps, people want to hit the refresh rate and a little over just to be sure its smooth.

[@Autonimaatio]

@@AdamsWorlds That would be kind of clear, but sounds extremely complicated to execute in practise

[@AdamsWorlds]

@@Autonimaatio already kinda seen this done with Digital Foundry. Simple chart for each FPS target showing the games that hit the targets with what settings at the top, powder consumed, vram consumed. You can work out from it fairly quick when the limits are being reached, if a card it doing 60fps on epic its clear it will struggle at 120fps, if the vram is all used up at 60fps high texture its probably not going to do 60fps epic texture due to the limits and so on.

[@Autonimaatio]

@@AdamsWorlds That's pretty cool, didn't know they'd pulled off something like that

[@KillerGhostWolf]

Linus, you’re going to crush “The Tonight Show”. I can’t wait to see you on Monday!

[@ivanjovic6287]

Shipbuilder here: there is a reason why all yachts have 12 passengers. If you go above that you go into holy different class of ship. At that time build from zero or buy a ferry.

[@eldibs]

While I like having DLSS, even if most people have it on, I dislike having it on for benchmarks. The point of the benchmark is to compare the relative compute power of multiple devices, and for that you want as few variables between them as possible, that way you don't have to account for a bunch of different use cases, and your benchmarks can more easily stay relevant as new software features come out.

[@quarantinefox]

That's only a valuable benchmark if people are using the GPU that way. If they're using, or at least open to using upscaling and frame gen, users need indicators of that performance. So there is a need going forward for data on both. Personally, with this new tech I think users need to try it for themselves to understand their own perception of it. If I can't notice the negative effects of it, I'm gonna be happy with it and buy lower end tech and save money. If I'm not, I'll have to spend more.

[@wittywolk]

Having benchmarks only with it might be a valid complaint, but in general that's a dumb take.

[@eliaserke7033]

Nah you need benchmarks with it on and off. If every GPU manufacturer has their own solution for frame gen, we have to compare those as well.

[@wittywolk]

@@eliaserke7033 but you also need cross benchmarks too. It's a value proposition and people need to see this. DLSS isn't some gimmick used by 0.1% of gamers and it really changed how we play games.

[@Mehkanics]

valid af

[@DoozyBytes]

2:35:00 ... the FAA will not allow you to fly a plane with any sort of equipment or modifications to the interior materials without having those be certified first.

[@martint6097]

yes but i asume it's feasible since planes already have certified plugs for laptops and adding a switch is all it takes to technically make a lan party. another reason to get the jet factory onboard

[@jkbrbc]

The llc running the boat business should be "Linus Tech Ships"

[@deanobeany]

Yacht linked

[@hjr2000]

Maybe Linus Tech Tubs if it's a small boat 😂

[@llamawarllord]

Linus deck tips

[@JustFun598]

As for the quote of 80% gamers turning on DLSS, it's probably true, but the problem is DLSS and Frame Generation are technically two different things, but Nvidia Marketing puts them under the same name. Most likely there is 80% of the gamers that use DLSS (myself included), but amount of gamers that use Frame Generation is wayyyy less than that, to begin with, it was only available to 40 series GPU's, so I would say anywhere up to 15% (at best) of people maybe used it. Personally I would most of the time use DLSS because of good anti-aliasing and sharp image (or DLAA when available), but I would not use Frame Generation because of the latency, artifacts and sometimes even losing that DLSS sharpness.

[@yucinalo]

Sadly if they enable it by default when applicable, as people are slowly rolling over to newer generation of GPUs, it's going to be used by a lot of people who don't specifically turn it off in the settings. This should never become a thing you are expected to use.

[@thecooljohn100]

Love it when people who have never used frame gen talk about how they would never use it😂 it's clear that by how you spoke about it, you don't own a 40 series GPU and have never used frame gen. You realize there's still people out there that have sweared to never use DLSS and they probably own a GTX1080 or 1660 that can't even use it?😂 You're basically doing the same thing as them.

[@JustFun598]

@@thecooljohn100 Love it when people assume something and they are completely wrong. FYI, I have 4070 Ti Super, and I have tried it, why would I talk about something that I didn't try, how could I have an opinion about it in the first place and know how it works and what it brings and what it takes away. But what I understood from your reply is that you are a sheep that follows and accepts blindly whatever these companies tell you, this generation they are selling you Generated Frames only, I am not saying that they should stop Frame Gen, I am saying that Frame Gen should not be THE selling point of GPU, but the actual performance of something that we already overspend on.

[@yucinalo]

@@thecooljohn100 I have a 4090. Frame generation is just ass.

[@TheWDuo]

4090 owner. Frame generation reduces the actual number of real frames and results in gameplay that feels like the game is running poorly, even if it does look smooth. I can't stand it. They need to stop calling it DLSS. It's not the same thing at all.

[@CoffeeKadachi]

The trope of Luke and Dan bullying Linus with outlandish ideas is my favorite 😂

[@Dr.Bernardo]

Can’t wait to see this while I sleep 2 years from now

[@kurtwagner16]

I think there is a difference if 80% of people turn on DLSS upscaling or Frame Gen. Those two things are very different. Because with dlss upscaling you render the "real" frames 1:1, just at a lower resolution. But with Frame Gen you insert "fake" ones 1:2-4

[@rasmusvedel]

1:1 -1:3, but yes

[@iurigrang]

​@@rasmusvedel he means real frames:total frames, that's how you get 1:1 without frame gen

[@rasmusvedel]

@@iurigrang well that’s not what he wrote. He wrote “you insert fake ones 1:2-4” and that just isn’t how the math works. You INSERT them 1:1-3. But the total ratio would be 1:2-4, yes. But that one word, “insert”, changes the math and the numbers. I’m not the one that chose that word, I just know how it works.

[@OutOfNameIdeas2]

Still get bad artifacts on the "real" dlss frames. Although the fake ones have serious artifacting.

[@kurtwagner16]

@@OutOfNameIdeas2 yes i know. And i have games where it works well and other games where i can't use it because it looks terrible. Its nice to have the option and great when it works but you can't rely on it. So at the end of the day all that matters is the raw rasterized performance.

[@jfwfreo]

+1 for buying an old bus, they are going to have much better guts (chassis, frame, drive-train, mechanicals etc) than any RV.

[@AndyKraken]

I would 100% watch a Gulfstream factory tour; that stuff is neat as hell

[@hyperverbal]

We are all nerds, look at the statistics on your KZbin stats, nerds are engineers. That's why we are watching your show.

[@evanfloridamusic]

@@hyperverbal engineers are nerds, not all nerds are engineers

[@PenguinMaster98]

@@hyperverbal I’m not nerd, I don’t get that technical… I just like hearing nerds talk about nerd stuff It’s like watching a political podcast, but without the controversial nonsense

[@PestifeR]

I am a nerd but i am not an engineer

[@hyperverbal]

Nerds have engineering minds ​@@PestifeR

[@hyperverbal]

@amaranth6174 There are so many parallels. An engineering mind can be lots of things. Just like you like hearing them talk about technical stuff, doesn't mean you understand it. I get it. I love watching PBS SpaceTime and I don't know the equations very well. ❤

[@BrandonMirrors]

As a SoCal native, I can tell you there was a serious mismanagement of resources and fire mitigation efforts. This isn't who or what I voted for, so yes we can politicize this. They'll take credit for when it goes well, but won't take responsibility for when it goes bad

[@TheAdatto]

If you're buying the newest gen card. Dlss should only be used to extend usage time when after x years your card is getting old. Not to be used from the start. For over 2grand (for playing games!) You should hit 100fps on max on pure power.

[@ZboeC5]

That's dumb.

[@TheAdatto]

@ZboeC5 damn right it is. I remember buying the 1080 and could run everything on ultra high with high speed. No frame generation just pure fps

[@JensAllerlei]

20:06 I think that is what triggers me and many others - I totally agree that there is or at least can be value in DLSS (M)FG. But the frames computed based on the game engine (reducing latency) are still the main/most important performance metric and only matching settings allow for a direct comparison.

[@VanlockFR]

exactly !! I don't want any Frame Gen unless it lowers latency like normal DLSS upscaling does !

[@rainmaker709]

Linus, your sentiment at 3:05:30 is fundamentally flawed. You are right the they will continue to ratchet it up until the business is viable. The flaw is that they are not looking for viability, they are looking for maximum profitability. After the reach the point of "viable" they won't stop. Stopping would be "leaving money on the table". They will continue tighten those clamps until they are forced to stop.

[@aiden3585]

I would say that consumers do the same, they dodge ads as much as possible; installing Adblock, training the algorithm to not give ads, etc.

[@JGComments]

Really glad I got my 7900XTX. Baller rasterization, half the price of a 4090, don’t care about Frame Gen or Ray Tracing. First upgrade since my 1070!

[@rollingfinn2044]

Heck yeah same here man I love mine

[@speedracer2please]

And FSR has frame gen too, they just don't try and misrepresent that as double performance!

[@hampocampo]

I went from a 1080 to 7900XTX, the melty powerconnectors was the nail in the coffin for me.

[@pandaabear6762]

The thing they talked about at the start with "Asynchronous reprojection" kinda sounds like what Nvidia is attempting with their new Frame Warp that nobody rly seems to talk about.

[@SegFaultOnLine1984]

2kliksphilip talked about it in his recent video

[@hiteywhart6653]

@@pandaabear6762 the coolest tech gets ignored because it can't be summed up in a clickbaity KZbin video or Reddit post

[@maximravinet9950]

​@@hiteywhart6653also the coolest tech rarely gets pushed as hard on studios by Nvidia and therefore rarely makes it into games. Pascal launched with a ton of stuff for improving viewpoints for wide fov and so on. 9 years later we still have shitty stretched images on 32:9 monitors but blurry dlss is in every single game

[@MaaZeus]

That is exactly what it is. It has been in use for VR forever to decouple head movement from actual FPS but only now is getting use for every game. It is a cool feature.

[@bastiaanhoffmans1762]

Thats what i was thinking. Seems like kinda awesome tech

[@hamsterthesaurus]

The whole segment on arguments with significant others and how you guys approach arguments in general is peak WAN for me. I absolutely love when you talk about these things, not necessarily because of a parasocial thing (but let's be honest, also because of that) but because you're successful people in business AND in your personal lives and I think, especially with Linus and Yvonne, there are a lot of valuable things you have shared over the years. Mostly it's a "hey, my wife and I have been doing that, too, thanks for the validation!" but sometimes it's genuinely eye-opening stuff that is a real help. So. Uh. Thanks, I guess? :D

[@Tomiply]

10:10 I think it's more likely to use DLSS with a 4090 than a 2060. Let me explain. Someone with a 2060 card likely games at 1080p, and DLSS starts to look pretty bad at 1080p, and he likely won't need it anyway. Someone with a 4090 though? They likely game at 4K and need the extra frames, and you won't notice DLSS much at 4K anyway, so why not? Extra performance for minimal loss in image quality. Someone with a 4090 gaming at 1440p definitely won't need DLSS though.

[@123TheCloop]

yup, glad someone actually sees who DLSS was "aimed" for. its not for the low end users, hell low end users yes will game at 1080p but they would gain more from changing in game settings than using DLSS (which can still be CPU bottlenecked) which for a lot of low end systems is more than likely the case where DLSS just wouldnt actually net them any gains. DLSS was there trash attempt at making 4K playable without having the need to constantly one up each generation by huge margins. do people seriously forget what Nvidia said when turing launched in regards to Pascal? flat out admits nvidia wont ever make a generation leap like they did from 900 series to 10xx series and thats held true even with 50xx series vs 40xx series

[@Koxv2]

@@Tomiply I agree with it. DLSS is good for 4K gaming only. On 1440p it creates blurry image, even worse on lower res. In addition to that, I hate playing with FG. Games feel very unresponsive with it. I feel sorry for gamers who will buy 5070 with high hopes and find out how unplayable games with FG are.

[@musguelha14]

@@Koxv2 It's very game dependent. On some games DLSS quality at 1440p looks pretty much like native. It actually improves image quality in some games because of better AA. In other games it does look bad.

[@Kale13000]

I'm very new to PC gaming. I've been a console gamer since I was a kid and I've had a PC for about a year now. Running a 4070 TI, I generally don't see the need for DLSS on my 1440P monitor in most games. That said, I also recently got my hands on an ROG Ally, and FSR is a lifesaver for some games on that. Also, framegen I find a lot more enticing on games that I care less about precision in, whereas precise games I want only the true frames. I really think it's a game by game, card by card, player by player basis

[@ThyCorruptor]

Totally agree it's completely subjective. The only time I dislike using DLSS is in 1st person shooters and when some games have REALLY BAD smearing. Palworld has the worst smearing I've ever seen with dlss

[@maximravinet9950]

Exactly, framegen is only good if accuracy is irrelevant to gameplay

[@iurigrang]

Have you considered you'd probably be having a better experience if you had a 4k monitor and used dlss?

[@ThyCorruptor]

@@iurigrang why would that improve the experience?

[@NGEvangeliman]

You go down 2 roads when you become an enthusiast, you either get sick (like me) where even knowing better is theoretically possible for any reason makes you think what you are getting is unacceptable, or just don't care about performance (beyond "it runs at 60fps"). I like sharp images (even in the back ground) and NEED smooth motion clarity. So recent graphics and game engines drive me nuts.

[@redwaller1]

Linus buys either a boat or a plane, tries to get it painted... DBrand: Hold my stickers.

[@Appleloucious]

I like Dan and how he does his Job! Awesome work! So much insight into different things! Thanks Dan, I (and many else) really appreciate you! Hope you ignore comments like the one at the end! You said you are doing your best and I really enjoy these long WAN Shows. One can watch at higher speeds or these comment0rs could just opt out of watching instead of thinking just about themselves XDD Anyways thanks Dan, Luke and Linus for the fun episode! This one was one of the funniest in a long time! Really love it when Luke and Dan are making fun of Linus mid conversation : D It is a really funny dynamic! One Love! Always forward, never ever backward!! ☀☀☀ 💚💛❤ 🙏🏿🙏🙏🏼

[@tommihommi1]

I think most people don't necessarily know or care about the difference between lower and higher input lag, but the experience will be *better* for them with lower input lag

[@despairdx]

Thats applied to multiplayer shooters Average consumer can care less about extra 5-10ms latency Some youtube channel tested latency on cyberpunk 2077 between 2x and 4x MFG having 50ms vs 57ms while boosting frame rate by almost 200%

[@quarantinefox]

That's not true. They only have a better experience if they can perceive the difference. If they can't perceive the difference, the experience is the same.

[@MaaZeus]

​@@quarantinefox Until they start games where every mistake is dangerous. They start throwing controllers at walls screaming "I was dodging, I am sure I pressed the button on time" not realising that because of high input lag, they were late and what they see in the screen is not what has already happened in the PC.

[@quarantinefox]

@MaaZeus If that's the situation they have bigger issues than input lag. Like poor emotional regulation.

[@MaaZeus]

@@quarantinefox Not the point. My point was that wether you can feel it or not, severe input lag does still have a negative impact on everyones gameplay. How big negative impact, depends on the games you play.

[@BLKBRD-SR71]

New GPUs give a new meaning to the phrase "Fake it till you make it".

[@I_Print_Like_J-Pow]

Is it just me or are the KZbin ads getting out of hand? I decided not to skip any ads for this video. I've been playing the video for 5 hours and I'm 1:01:25 into the actual content. That's 3:58:35 of ads. I skipped an ad to check the timestamp of the actual video and another ad is already playing. I haven't even gotten through half a comment without another ad break. I lost my TV remote and don't want to have to stop what I'm doing on my phone to skip ads every 3 minutes. It seems designed just to be as annoying as possible. You literally have to skip the ads if you want to watch this video within 12 hours. Anyone else noticing this??

[@StarkTripod2006]

Watch on phone, best advice I can give I suppose

[@aksimozok4077]

​@@StarkTripod2006this isn't about giving advice this is about how unfathomably greedy Google became, not even TV had that many ads and 4 hours of ads for 1 hour of content just shows how greedy they are. can't wait for the idiots who say "Ughhh but its a free service" to show up defend a megacorpo who spies every second of their lifes

[@Novashadow115]

Noticed it more on the TV side of the youtube app. If I watch on my phone it doesn't seem like they show up, but the moment I cast the video to my TV, bam! Ten million ads

[@MrCodyminner]

Yeah, i had an add the other day that was a couple hours. I dont know what the heck it was, but i was listening to a audio book, and i thought man, the narrator changed and this is a totally different story. I look and it was just a 2 hour long add in the middle of my 30ish minute video.

[@deon700]

Yeah, ads on TV seem to have full podcasts. It's just absurd

[@skadragon]

Fake frames scandal? About 2 years late...

[@Convexified]

Yes, maybe I remember it wrong but I think the reaction was totally different when DLSS (and especially frame gen) first showed up, maybe it’s that we did not know how to react to it or something else but I feel like it’s because of the shift in perception about machine learning that happened after chatGPT was released, we are all more wary of anything labeled AI and the possible negative consequences (with good reason)

[@kurtwagner16]

​@Convexified there is a difference between using dlss upscaling or frame gen.

[@maximravinet9950]

​@Convexifiedwhen dlss 1 arrived it got flamed (because the rendering was terrible), when dlss 3 with frame Gen launched it got flamed (because the latency was terrible). Now they only need to tell us what it does and they get flamed because we can instantly spot multiple ways in which it will most likely be trash and we'll be stuck with it forever. The only way to have anything decent with Nvidia is to aggressively roast the sh*t out of them for years...

[@eliaserke7033]

@Convexified "More wary" I would even say "getting tired of" everything being AI. I know they need to have that stuff in there because it's the thing rn, but oh boy the delivery with 5070 vs 4090

[@DomenG33K]

Maxing frame and 1 and 3 together to make frame 2 makes some sense just making 5 frames out of thin air is insane...

[@randulah]

Buy C130 - “dry dock” / keep it on stands / turn cockpit into actual flight sim / turn cargo bay into LAN and game room. EZPZ

[@randulah]

And paint it hot pink and green or ltt colors

[@MrDadyD]

Best of luck with the teethers! Had all of mine removed 13 years ago and it was not a pleasant experince. The roots where sprawling so they had to crack the teeth in 4 parts and then remove them. They then had to do stiches and it turns out I was allergic to the threads which caused my gums to get inflammed.... God I hate going to the dentist!

[@HanMedSkjegget]

I would be more likely to watch a video about the design and engineering of private planes than I would be watching another oversized TV

[@ungrave5231]

Is a robot chess board not a common product by this point? Thats like, a comparatively simple problem that could probably be done way under $1000 if it's actually built at scale.

[@gingaming_gg]

2:55:00 - if you don’t take this opportunity to create an IRL “Space Cadet” pinball machine, you have failed your community…

[@jesse40900]

Up with a newborn all night tonight. Thanks Brotendos.

[@Psychoticgamer94]

Condemn me if you want but 20,000 wildfires throughout California's lifetime is actually crazy and can be prevented.

[@bogdansss]

42:49 So sweet that Luke & Linus are doing couples therapy, and it looks like it's working!

[@digiscream]

Gotta love the fact that Linus couldn't think of a common argument, but Yvonne didn't even have to take a breath.

[@Ondrarix]

I am behind on WAN Show this week. But man I just watched you on Fallon.. what a love letter for all the nerds that was :D you were nervous and clearly super excited and yet you managed to send to all these muggles(mean no offense) a Steve Irwin energy and passion about tech. Great job man.

[@PCPAyLOAD]

1000% agree. I would not spend upwards of $2000 on a GPU to use frame gen. Or should I say, 2000% agree..

[@MorbiusBlueBalls]

i wish this discussion was more about the actual fake frames and less about dlss. dlss isn't the real problem here

[@nathangamble125]

Instructions unclear, installed goat into my PCIe slot, but now my computer doesn't work and it ate my power cables.

[@Jeffool]

Now THAT'S a cliffhanger ending... Unrelated, but cool that Linus will be on the Tonight Show this Monday!

[@fl00d69]

Why? So smarmlord Fallon can fake laugh at everything he says?

[@adreanmarantz2103]

Good for him, I guess. I left all TV behind so very long ago.

[@Jeffool]

@@fl00d69 Why? So the person who makes web stuff I like can get a few extra eyeballs and maybe a few extra fans. It's just being considerate.

[@fl00d69]

@@Jeffool Yeah right - I'm sure Linus could use a backup Porsche... 🙄

[@satratic127]

​@@fl00d69damn dude. Have you considered just not talking?

[@WyndbladeX]

Was a good show ^^

[@whitestar618]

volvo in the auto industry when it comes to safety equipment (safety cage, 3 point belts, laminated windshields, ABS....) was a historical flex.

[@Dr.Kornelius]

ghosting in thumbnail 💀💀

[@DudokX]

The most important thing DLSS does for me is DLAA. I cannot explain how much better RDR2 looks with the DLAA forced enabled mod compared to the trash blury TAA. I am at Ultra Graphics 75+ fps with DLAA on 1440p on 4070ti and it looks amazing.

[@two-keytech7578]

living in a RV right now and its been super fun getting the place techified. Would totally let you guys come do your thing! It's a fith wheel parked on private property.

[@DeletedTaters001]

19:50 I really like this idea from Luke. If there's one thing I have learned from decades of gaming, it's that I'm more than willing to tweak with graphic settings to hit a frame rate target. Frame rates equalized, I think it would be a great comparison to see the raw raster to the full AI upscaled/frame gen result.

[@Spoonyspoon27]

Linus is on my Fallon!!

[@bingbong3084]

80% of Nvidia users using DLSS upscaling doesn't equate to 80% of gamers using frame gen , if anything DLSS does what "frame gen" wants to do , people use upscaling so their game renders faster , giving them actual higher FPS and lower latency , while frame gen only smooths the image out while even slightly negatively affecting your latency , your actual game responsivnes, Nvidia did a neat trick by putting it all under umbrella of DLSS , but these 2 features should be talked about separately, I'm all about the upscaling of DLSS , but miss me with the high latency fake frames

[@somegoogleacount]

WHAT DID HE SHOW LUKE AT THE END????????????????

[@TheHmm43]

I know right??

[@ganderthepanda8146]

Think about who he texted earlier on in the show. It’s probly a reaction to how much the guy would sell that Jetstream for. I’m more interested in what the conversation was that Linus was texting for the approx minute before Luke said “earth to Linus”

[@TheHmm43]

​@@ganderthepanda8146 Totally x2

[@thexgamer8240]

If Linus bought a yacht or a private jet, he should call it The (Tech) Tip.

[@georgeblanchardjr]

@@thexgamer8240 eh

[@SavantGardeEX]

He should call it "Linus PC Tips" 90% of his content is PC

[@JPWestmas]

DLSS frame gen is a frame smoother. It takes two real performance frames and inserts educated guess frames in between them. The performance frames can be slow and choppy or faster with less chop, but the inserted frames from the software are not going to improve the performance (performance meaning movement from pixel A to pixel B). FPS is not a guage or marker for performance and latency. This is not to say it won't look better, it will but that's not the point. A slow moving game is still going to look slow regardless of the smoothness.

[@lupolinar]

DLSS is kinda fine, but FrameGen is not.

[@TheRealEclipse1]

@@despairdx FG is an addon. It has a separate DLL that you can update, just like DLSS and the Ray Reconstruction.

[@snakeace0]

@@despairdx No, Dlss is an upscaler. Framegen creates whole frames. Dlss quality is essentially so good its the best AA solution while rendering games in 1440p instead of 4k. Anyone who doesnt use DLSS quality is simply a contrarian for no reason. The blame lies with developers who optimize games with DLSS in mind.

[@Masterrunescapeer]

@@despairdx DLSS upscaling allows me to run at 1440p with a 1080p card for games I can't run at 1440p. DLSS is basically just running the game at a lower resolution. This is completely fine for budget/older cards instead of the user setting the resolution lower (so it makes stuff like HUD scale better). I still treat it as 1080p gaming and look at 1080p benchmarks. If I was buying a new card, then I will look at 1440p to run native.

[@MorbiusBlueBalls]

​@@despairdx okay troll

[@Neo-Bladewing]

16:30 ish - You're misunderstanding what "fake frame" means. Reusing an old, previously rendered frame is not a fake frame. In fact, that is a clever way to improve performance without any fake frames. A fake frame is any frame that is extrapolated off of, but not directly rendered by, actual, physical game data. I think the way that async repro handles the problem of smoothness is about as perfect as a solution can be because there is minimal work done to fill in the edges of the screen as you turn that is rapidly rectified by a new frame being rendered. The argument "all frames are fake frames" is a bad faith argument that doesn't understand the point being made by the people calling AI-generated frames fake. By having the majority of your framerate AI-generated, you are now only using the game data as a reference for how things should look, not producing an image that actually looks as the game data dictates it should. If AI were perfect, it wouldn't matter, but we all know it's not. Nvidia using it as an exclusive selling point of the 50 series is also highly problematic considering programs like Lossless Scaling exist that provide similar benefits that are available on all GPU's and in all games (as far as I'm aware, at least.) Sure, Nvidia's solution is probably a bit better than Lossless Scaling. That said, if you prefer AI-generated high framerates over native rendering, you won't care about what little difference there is between the two, I promise you. If GPU's are not being compared 1:1 with frame generation tech, the comparison is useless and needs to have alarms blared on it and attention brought to the alternatives. Additionally, and perhaps more importantly, developers are no longer optimizing games properly and are instead relying on frame generation and upscaling to deliver overall worse-looking games than we used to have at worse performance. This is what the "fake frame" argument is about.

[@sscillitani]

DLSS includes way more than just frame gen. You should be more specific when talking about it. The 80% number is likely referring to people using the upscaler, as it works very well at higher resolutions.

[@costafilh0]

A gaming yacht would be cool, but a gaming FLOAT PLANE would be even cooler!

[@crazyeyez1502]

Consolidated PBY Catalina

[@TheHmm43]

I watch a few LTT vids a month, but I catch the WAN Show every week, and have since the Slick days. Whenever you guys start laughing uncontrollably, it's infectious, and I often have to leave the bed so I don't wake my S.O. .. it's a great break from the other news of the week. Thank you

[@braddeicide]

Oh hai, i used to watch your show all the time, this is the first time in a long time KZbin had recommended it.

[@Stewartcrofts]

I've personally only used upscaling in one title and that is STALKER 2. Upscaling and frame generation should only be available to help older cards last longer and not make new cards look faster than they are.

[@scottwatrous]

Yeah, but, they won't be. It's clear the endgame is that every frame is generated.

[@despairdx]

Blud doesnt realize devs cant optimize games because of UE5 and RT with RR 💀

[@Stewartcrofts]

@@scottwatrous it is a sad sorry state.

[@TheRealEclipse1]

How can you really sit there and type out "Upscaling and frame generation should only be available to help older cards last longer...''? Some of you are have lost the entire point of what all of this is.

[@Stewartcrofts]

@@TheRealEclipse1 Ok so you are more than happy to keep paying higher and higher prices for GPUs and getting less and less rendered frames?

[@matthewjantz1011]

Linus needs to do more research before scolding people. There are many reasons to look into the politics surrounding the California fire, including the $17 million budget cut to the LA fire department and the irresponsible forest upkeep. If we don’t look into these and other issues, how are we going to prevent the next big fire?

[@rsprenger79]

Woohoo! 2 of my favorite subjects on KZbin combined into 1 project: Yachting and computer tech. I'm all for it!!

[@sabatory]

For me, one of the biggest improvements for visuals, in a lot of scenarios is Ray Reconstruction. Especially in Cyberpunk 2077! But unfortunately I think you still need to use path tracing to use it.

[@fatsu]

u can use ray reconstruction without path tracing

[@xx_destructo_xxishere4629]

My issue with the Frame gen and RTX 50** performance claims is that generally, higher FPS leads to higher motion fluidity and lower latency. This is the goal of higher FPS but instead this MFG stuff creates higher motion fluidity and higher latency. It is no longer increasing two things that traditionally makes more frames better. Now more frames may not be better in all cases. Frames now do not win games, as nVidia has said, because using MFG in competitive games will not be better.

[@reptilez13]

Theres just TAA related artifacts that drive me insane with DLSS/FSR/whatever. If they figured out a way to do something similar with SMAA or something (which i know currently is somewhat intrinsic to the way these Super Sampling AI generated crap works, but one can hope) and also getting rid of the double images, the dithering... Its super noticeable and I thought I was crazy forever til looking into some videos and other info on this stuff lol.

[@RIPSOE404]

But speaking of your car analogy, there is a massive scene of people that only like naturally aspirated engines.

[@colewelden]

The 4080 is about 300% faster than a 980Ti (give or take 50% or so). It is about 2.5x larger in volume (rough average). It is about 1.5x the power draw per frame. All these are very rough numbers, but pretty close given some napkin math and several sources for data. What I'm implying here is that Intel should have just made their CPUs bigger, and a little bit more efficient, each generation. Then they could have stayed on 14nm another decade, at least. Really though, eventually we are going to reach the point that they can't get bigger. Then, these types of "fake frames" will be the only way forward. Maybe that's already happened and is exactly what we are seeing with this new series. Food for thought.

[@THEMithrandir09]

41:00 Wow, nice of you to share this. Continuously and actively working on communication is so important for any relationship. People don't talk about this enough.

[@ayol1011]

I dont mind these "fakes frames" if they deliver on the promise of high fidelity. Nvidia needs to justify a lot more for the price to what seems as a software update

[@scottwatrous]

Yeah it seems like the goal is that AI will just make the raw image better than it ever would rendered, and so every frame is going to be generated.

[@chrisdpratt]

It's not like these AI features are being substituted for raw performance, though. Every generation has more raw performance than the previous generation, often by a very significant amount. AI is just icing on the cake. I don't see why Nvidia needs to somehow justify their price when they're giving you even better raw performance **and** better AI features on top.

[@Borsecann]

Isn't the argument of needing a justification for the "software update" only valid for those who already have a 40 series card ? In which case I don't understand why most would even consider to upgrade ? If you're at any other generation prior to 40 you're just paying the same as you would for an upgrade to the 40 series but are getting something better.

[@olestampevestergaard4746]

40:49 the audio quality of sticking a speakerphone up to a microphone is really surprising to me 😮

[@GroteGlon]

They're using proper studio mic's... How do you thing electric guitars are recorded lol. They just smack a mic in front of an amp (aka giant speaker)

[@olestampevestergaard4746]

@ i know, but it's a phonecall, they sound notoriously bad even when you are the person on the call

[@GroteGlon]

@olestampevestergaard4746 not if you have a good phone and good connectivity

[@falsemcnuggethope]

​@@GroteGlonthe reason electric guitars are recorded that way is that the speaker changes the sound a lot.

[@GroteGlon]

@@falsemcnuggethope you just said a whole lot of nothing

[@btadd]

Watching WAN show shopping for jets. What is even my life??? 😂

[@ignazachenbach5406]

There was a time when people were grossed out by FXAA. Now, they accept AI upscaling with open arms.

[@strawberyyicecreamdream216]

FXAA was pretty bad.

[@StarkTripod2006]

Do they tho?

[@ignazachenbach5406]

@ They're buying the cards and leaving the setting on.

[@fatsu]

@@ignazachenbach5406 i imagine most people who dont touch their settings have no idea what dlss is anyway

[@robinvekety4639]

@@strawberyyicecreamdream216I had a much harder time coping with TAA blur and ghosting. At least FXAA did not became significantly worse as soon as you move the camera

[@tardcore4life]

bro gets a spot on Jimmy Fallon and all of the sudden he's shopping for yachts and private jets.

[@Frizzy9000]

Nah nah, he shops private jets and yachts and THEN gets the show 😂

[@NathanielMiller]

A friend of mine is a pilot for a charter jet service. He's been grounded for months, because one engine is broken and they can't get a replacement part.

[@crazyeyez1502]

Linus needs to find a used Consolidated PBY Catalina. A ww2 era twin engine Floatplane.

[@netaberger94]

as an architect, imo, these are fake frames. these numbers only represent gaming, not 3d modeling, not rendering, not real world performance.

[@BoobLaser420]

DLSS runs on tensor cores, so if your software (3D modeling, rendering) can use those tensor cores, you get extra performance out of them.

[@ToastNation]

Hey Linus, to your note on pinball machines as an enthusiast some of the most fun cabinets you can find are The Pirates of the Caribbean by Stern and the Star Wars Trilogy Edition cabinet by Sega. I’ve owned both along with some others and these are by far my most well loved machines. Keep an eye out for them in your local area as shipping costs can be quite absurd

[@darkfire2703]

Wow I find the low views on the RGB Mini LED TV really interesting. Linus was like "Low views, guess we'll do a funny VLOG where it falls over or smth. If that's what it takes for ppl to learn about cool tech" - I literally didn't watch the video because it was like "Woooww my TV is trash compared to this" with an over the top thumbnail. If the title was "This TV is using RGB mini LED Backlight" I would have immediately watched it, because Hell Yeah that's fking cool! Really interesting to see the dissonance in what I (and probably a bunch of the technical audience) would click on vs what the vast majority of the more casual audience (that is responsible for the majority of the views) would click on

[@wayward03]

53:42 an absolutely niave and terrible take. They have failed to perform even rhe most basic preparation for this. ( The winds are named, they happen annually) The Palisades reservoir was empty prior to this, fire fighting budgets were cut, and basic Forest management has been deemed harmful to the environment.

[@SooksVI]

The Synology 1522+ can be upgraded with a 10Gb/s card. With all drive bays occupied you can expect steady transfer speed around 550MB/s, sometimes slightly faster. Of course you'd need 10Gb support on any device interfacing with it to make sense.

[@edfiene933]

wasn't long enough

[@Khronos_Aion]

Thats crazy

[@falsemcnuggethope]

You must hear that a lot

[@khulhucthulhu9952]

I knew the SO-DIMM question, as my desktop had SO-DIMM DDR4 memory! It was an amazing little pre-built from MSI that was suprisingly easy to upgrade for it's compactness

[@visual_chris]

honestly really good episode

[@JamesClutterbuck]

For the Pinball decision I would recommend that you set up Visual Pinball and try a bunch of tables to see which ones you like. You can get it working in VR with VPX and it's a lot of fun! Second, you should know that pinballs break down **A LOT**. It's a big machine full of wires that wiggle and break as people knock the machine about. You have a lot of talented staff who can likely fix the kind of problems you'll see, but you should factor in their time into your decision. Pinballs are awesome, but someone will be fixing it constantly. As for specific tables, the Star Trek TNG table is my absolute fave. It looks great, has lots of multiball modes, and great voice acting from the original cast. It's also very clear with what to do to get points, with clearly defined missions lighting up the ramps you need, where as a lot of other tables you're not really sure what you should shoot at.