I'm going to Antarctica to destroy Flat Earth ... or the Globe

[@isaacpriestley]

Calling it now, no flat earther is going on this trip. Not Jeran, not Witsit, not any of them.

[@alvin2021]

It would be stupid if they do, they'll be effectively killing their own channels if they go.

[@jameslyddall]

Shame Nathan Thompson isn’t going it’ll be funny watching him but then again I’m glad ignorance isn’t being rewarded

[@PwnySlaystation01]

Yep, I'd be willing to bet money that none of them will agree to go

[@darkforest4891]

If I knew pretending to believe the earth was flat could get me a trip to antarctica. I'd have been the most belligerent annoying flat earth debater on the internet. It's infuriating that these people got offered such a rare privilege by acting like babies.

[@rustygear447]

They know they're full of shit and going to Antarctica would expose it

[@dany_fg]

flat earthers then: "A 24 hours sun will disprove the flat earth" flat earthers now: "A 24 hours sun will *not* disprove the flat earth" it's called moving the goalpost

[@jwmmitch]

Wait wait wait.... Moving the Globe-post

[@01bonny790]

Except that in reality they're not moving a goalpost, they're pointing to an empty field and saying that there's a goalpost. That way they can point in any direction at any time even though there's nothing there

[@Czeckie]

flat earthers tomorrow: "A 24 hours sun will prove the flat earth"

[@paulpinecone2464]

Silly, there are no football fields in Antarctica!

[@psterud]

@@paulpinecone2464 Yes, there are! They're just being obfuscated by an international military organization funded by NASA to keep the sheeple from learning The Truth^TM. Do your own research!

[@WellingtonIronman]

Flat earthers: ‘If you could go to Antarctica it would prove the earth is flat, but you’re not allowed to go to there’ *gets invited to go to Antarctica Flat earthers: ‘Going to Antarctica does not prove anything’

[@R-BURQUENO]

😂💯

[@HighGradeKonnection]

No , we would say that Thats not antártica , we already tried that route … its so hard to understand that there is a plan to keep Secret the shape of the earth to hide Lands and that they are lying about everything to mantain their lie/Secret ?

[@gmonk003]

yet globe earthers just cant seem to go into antarctica.

[@virginputinmonkey9457]

​@@HighGradeKonnection Um yes. For the past 20 years you can buy trips to it.

[@R-BURQUENO]

@@HighGradeKonnection 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😀😀😀😀🤣🤣🤣🤣SMH😀😀😀😀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😀😀😀😀🤣

[@OfentseMwaseFilms]

Step 1 : Globe people will go cause obviously they can’t lose. Step 2 : ALL FLAT Earthers chicken out, none go. Step 3 : Only globers go and prove and record that the Sun really is up for 24 hours. Step 4 : All Flat Earthers claim CGI Don’t worry, I’m somewhat an oracle myself!

[@tb6303]

Spot on, dude!

[@aceman0000099]

They are already saying "there's no need for us to go" as if that's a valid excuse

[@Baldevi]

You're amazing, a powerful Prophet! I am sorry, but I hope you're seeing an incorrect Future, because I really, REALLY want this Falt Earth Believer to go, even if arrogantly, because the FE Camp really, really needs to stop resisting and attend these experiments. I suspect that Jerenism's 'failed' experiment has them all too anxious to work with Globe believers, despite their firm beliefs in their Models, at least one of the dozens they are trying to squish together to display various things they need to show are possible for the Globers.

[@JohnDoe-ny1wp]

Did you see the new "news" about this? It's been canceled.

[@Baldevi]

@@JohnDoe-ny1wp 😿 noooo! Ah well. Too bad.

[@antonystark9240]

I have spent many months at Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station with the U.S. Antarctic Program. I can assure you that, not only is there "midnight Sun", the most important fact about that midnight Sun is that, looking upward, the Sun goes around clockwise, maintaining a constant elevation above the horizon. In contrast, if you go to the far north, you'll find that in summer the Sun goes around counterclockwise. This can only happen if a person looking up in the far north is in fact facing in the opposite direction from the person looking up in the far south. And of course at night they'll see totally different stars. A simpler "proof" along these lines is that northern hemisphere sundials have the numbers going around clockwise, whereas southern hemisphere sundials have the numbers going around counterclockwise. The actual motions of the Sun and Moon cannot be explained by any flat Earth theory.

[@TheFroneyZone]

yep and once it's all, i guess, "officially" debunked (which is funny / ironic in and of itself) they will simply move on to something like "Well, then the Stars and our Universe is all just a digital image we are viewing laid out by our makers (or superior intelligence) and our satellites and rockets go nowhere." (kind of like how they showed it in 3 Body Problem).

[@you2uber530]

you're talking to flerfs as if logic applies...

[@meloney]

I wish i cold work there during the antarctic winter. That would be such a blessing and healing for my mind. It's sad that flatearthers deny the reality of the 24 hour sun. Just shows how delusional paranoid they really are.

[@h14hc124]

​@@you2uber530 There aren't any flerfers in this comment section, and never will be.

[@misterfixit9515]

... and like me I guess you are still waiting for any of the money flerfs imagine we are being paid for lying about this!

[@samisonn1990]

Even if this does convince the flat earther to change their views, the rest will all say they are a shill and disregard them anyway

[@fostena]

That's why no flat earther want to go. They'd end up debasing themselves

[@DragonNexus]

But hey, at least that former flerfer will be free of the culty grift.

[@tma2001]

its already happened - isn't the Flat Earth Society a psyop in the eyes of the true believers ?

[@peronkop]

This is also about exposing grifters. Notice the damage control? Why do that unless you know that you are lying and is trying to protect your cash cow.

[@compmanio36]

That's how a cult works. It's not about science, it's about religion. Countering flerfism is heresy to doctrine.

[@timetraveler7]

The fact that flat earthers are already preparing their arguments for when they're wrong is VERY telling.

[@korbit8307]

They use one of two options every time: Deny or Excuse. Deny is the easier of the two, so they do that first until there's so much evidence it's utterly irrefutable. It's why the main argument they use is flatness is 'apparent' when you are high in a plane or weather balloon, since there's no cheap public way to confirm either way. But when that fails, such as in the case of literally going to antarctica and seeing a sun that is in a position completely independent of the flat earth's model, they get to coping as fast as possible. Even if they have to eventually get to utter magical excuses like personalized sky domes or magic refraction, they will never admit defeat.

[@timetraveler7]

@@korbit8307 I've literally seen videos of flat earthers sending up weather balloons and agreeing that theres a curve, and they said "well, its bexause the firmament is a dome which makes it look like theres a curve" you can't make this up.

[@scottlarson1548]

They already have one flat Earth model to explain day and night, another model to explain seasons, and yet another model to explain eclipses. Why not another model to explain 24 hour sun?

[@davidleon9206]

That's what flat earth is about. Defending lies with more lies. They've done it since day 1.

[@AnunnakiAaron]

Plus, the fact that there are hundreds if not thousands of things that already prove the globe earth and they still deny those things, just says it doesn't matter if you have proof. They will always just deny those things. It doesn't matter if you have proof. But, regardless, I'm still curious to see what flat earthers go, and what their reactions are going to be.

[@Dynikus]

1 of three things will happen. 1: No flat earther is going to make the trip, they'll conveniently be too busy. 2: A prominent talking head of the flat earth community will go and change his mind, and the rest of the community will say that they just got paid off/threatened. 3: A talking head will go, then blatantly lie about what they saw there and just ignore reality as usual. They'll start bringing up random jargon and say something about anticrepuscular rays or magnetic declination and write off the entire thing.

[@betaorionis2164]

You’ll have to take a Nikon P900 or P1000 with you, otherwise flatearthers won’t accept the images.

[@moehoward01]

They won't accept them anyway.

[@gowdsake7103]

Also ensure all images are shaky and out of focus !

[@RealOberonn13]

I wish the whole movement was just a scheme to advertise p900s. A lot less mental anguish.

[@Syntex366]

I don’t think it’ll matter if you drag the most notable flat earthers down there with you, they’ll lie about it or outright refuse to go.

[@Sander_Hollo]

To be honest. That's not a bad idea. Because cameras do not like that cold and often break. So when you lose that crap it's just fine. I use lens heater and even then it tends to act weird.

[@lonespoon77]

The reason that they are already trying to debunk the 24 hour sun is because they know that the earth is a globe. Being a flat earther is how they make their money.

[@hydramag_dragon1244]

That's probably it. but I'm sure there are genuinely some people that subscribe to the flat Earth theory.

[@TheDainerss]

Yep, 100% this. It is a grift plain and simple. They are praying on the uneducated. Someone found out there are people with little to no education that will pay for this and they are taking them for all they can.

[@knightwing4]

Absolutely, that’s why they don’t want Dave to go.

[@RealGhoda]

Atleast level earth observer believes it wont matter, he just made a vid today Im 99% sure he genuinely believes the earth is not a globe

[@gwendyp125]

​@@RealGhodaNo, that guy is 100% trolling. I call it trolling cause he knows the earth is not flat but he's making good coin being a flerfer. You can easily tell by the way he speaks

[@YouthEnergy]

The fact that no flerf seems to be interested in going, despite having the whole trip paid for already, speaks volumes.

[@gottagowork]

C'mon, if they wanted to go they could book a cruise anytime. While it won't take them to the south pole, it will be close enough to - maybe inside - the polar circle to make observations that simply cannot happen on their pizza fantasy. Not out of reach economically for any adult. Pretty sure whoever is supposed to go will come up with some last minute excuse not to.

[@Deqster]

They would first have to be able to make observations...

[@shushumna]

On the contrary, they’re going!!

[@YouthEnergy]

@@shushumna Who's going?

[@BlackGuardXIII]

@@shushumnaflat earthers? Which ones?

[@commente]

I'm afraid no flat earther is going to be convinced by this. It's more like a religious belief, it's like there's a teflon coating that protects these people from reason

[@EndofDays-7777]

@@commente Like Scientism ? The Roman Catholic church invented the big bang theory and all the mathematical formulas that surround it, as well as the scientific method. And you're here defending it as fact . Talk about faith .

[@commente]

@@EndofDays-7777 Thanks for proving my point

[@britishrocklovingyank3491]

@@disguisedcat1750 Proven wrong by whose standards?

[@PsychoC4rnivore]

Its not like religion. Im a Christian, and i also believe in science. I just think there is an intelligent creator that like a sculptor molds clay has molded the scientific processes we can observe to allow life to form on this planet

[@KartonRealista2]

@@disguisedcat1750 "Some religions, like Islam, push followers to leave the religion if you can prove it wrong. " That's why some Muslim majority countries have death penalty as a punishment for apostasy?

[@patrickdix772]

Flat Earther's response: "Anyone who went on the trip is now being paid off by the worldwide government conspiracy to hide the flat Earth."

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

I think that works the best. They already "know" that there is no antarctic midnight sun, so it will be a lie, and therefore part of the conspiracy.

[@NAANsoft]

Which of course will include any FE wittness too. So any FE going on this trip will be / become a fraud.

[@sehrgrossesglied5000]

Brainwashed , paid , 666 demons

[@QuayNemSorr]

They had the choice to participate. They just didn't want their crap debunked.

[@lgrizzly]

That’s the real problem here. Any flatearther that goes will cut off their own revenue stream. They will be ostracized by the other flerths.

[@davexmit]

The fact that people dismiss evidence makes this a waste of time. They'll say the flerfer is in on it. They'll say it's fake. Because they're all idiots.

[@enscroggs]

Correction: They're all pants-pooping, diaper-dampening COWARDS!

[@CheaperAccount-bf7dq]

Yeah they don't want a repeat of Bob and his 15 degree per hour drift. They do seem to make an income off of other idiots who believe this stuff. So its easier to feign FE facts than actually proving anything of substance.

[@GummieI]

Yeah, the most positive we can hope to get out of this, is that whoever from the flerf side goes along, actually do get converted to admit the globe is round, and then the entire flerf community is just gonna shun that person, saying he got paid for it or something like that. And even then, that much is unlikely.

[@hattershouse710]

They will convert to geocentrism

[@lathamlongboards5188]

Very fair point. If any flat farther sees another flat farther go and admit there is a 24 hour sun, they will do like they always have and avoid critical thinking and sound reasoning and do mental gymnastics to maintain their belief.

[@cygnustsp]

It's finally happened. An old joke around here was flerfs demanding cameras taking pictures of the cameras taking the picture. And here we are

[@benginaldclocker2891]

"nah man it's still fake we literally have cgi"

[@mrosskne]

but how do we know that camera is real? you need an infinite line of cameras

[@DeusEx_Machina]

@@mrosskne its cameras all the way down

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

I'm still waiting for flerfs to share pictures of the edge or underside of the flat earth. Bonus points for pictures of the elephants that hold it on their back.

[@stcredzero]

You could do this with a circle of cameras.

[@federicogiana]

It just occurred to me that some flatearther will call the expedition fake because they will not see any penguins at Union Glacier. Mark my words, some idiot will say it.

[@ihcterra4625]

My prediction is that the wheels on the Flerfer goal posts will be smoking.

[@jonathanmormerod]

Do you think they'll be going fast enough to make the flat Earth spin?🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@StormsparkPegasus]

Wheels? Nah, they treat the goalposts like a caber toss.

[@RecoveryTurtle]

They tore them down before the game and tossed them into the river.

[@kdog3908]

The wheels on their bike are already smoking from the back peddling.

[@Phage0070]

There are so many ways for them to get around this test anyway. How do they know they are in Antarctica? They will just say they were in the North Pole instead and everyone was lying to them.

[@danthebev]

Forgetting the BS flat earth for a sec getting to go to Antarctica must be a thing you could only dream of doing one day. So cool.

[@WCDavis-cl7si]

i see what you did there; cool. That sht is frozen up like a glacier. Ain't nobody going to Antarctica. Not since 1959, and not ever now. Read up.

[@giin97]

​@@WCDavis-cl7si😂 found today's comedy routine, I see. Is it a grift, or do you honestly discard clear, observable reality in favor of a fairly hilarious pancake idea?

[@TheGemHead]

Agreed. It's on my bucket list (visiting every continent).

[@tyrannicpuppy]

@@giin97 Nah, it's Stargate Command. They've been keeping people away for years now. Ever since they found the second Stargate down there. Got to maintain security. /s

[@Rusonekox9]

There is some intelligent life on earth 🎉🎉🎉

[@CriticalThink]

Hi Dave, I greatly appreciate you giving my fund raiser a mention. I already have enough funds to get to Punta Arenas and I will be there at least. I do need help for the final leg of the journey. I have a unique experiment to perform and Where's Wally's will be sending some equipment as well. Thank you to everyone who has supported this as well as those that will support in the future.

[@superpingu2593]

❤

[@jonathanmacdonald9609]

It's so cool that people are willing to do this stuff to inform people! And you learn some interesting science disproving random stuff!

[@tyrannicpuppy]

@@jonathanmacdonald9609 that's the best thing about science. Even if it proves the theory wrong, they're still just as excited. Results are still results and we learn something new either way. We all know what we will learn here but that's all the more reason to do it.

[@A_Stereotypical_Heretic]

Pin this Dave

[@napalmpig3772]

A single cloud passes in front of the sun for one minute, all flat earthers claim they didn’t see the 24h sun.

[@Heoi_Bikuni]

23hr and 15 minutes. It went around the entire planet in 45minutes, but then slowed down again. Total idiots.

[@JCW7100]

Flat earthers like to say "do your own observations" and "don't accept things on authority" and yet even though none of them have ever seen the ice wall...they all believe it's there. It's almost as if they're...erm... inconsistent!

[@svenleeuwen]

You know what they say.. #gottalietoflerf

[@Soundbrigade]

“Don’t believe everything that is true!” 😉

[@Kondase]

I also like how confidently they say that there is no 24 hour sun in Antartica despite having not been there to observe it themselves.

[@LeoDragon34]

Inconsistent, certainly, and…..erm…. brainwashed.

[@ReValveiT_01]

Double standards is one of the cornerstones of Flatopia.

[@martingrtlien4929]

Buy a newspaper in Chile the same day you go to Antarctica. Solid proof of date and location.

[@jasmijnariel]

Not for a flat earther😂

[@throwthedwarfofthehouseoft4302]

They would claim you downloaded and printed it off

[@urmomsahoe1]

@@throwthedwarfofthehouseoft4302 If they are claiming that videos were recorded months prior a newspaper couldn't be faked as you would have zero idea what the headlines would be 6 months from now.

[@donwillman4587]

But who would know what a Chilean newspaper would be on a given day? Try downloading the latest Wall Street Journal before you leave. Show the page during the recording.

[@urmomsahoe1]

@@donwillman4587 I'm sure Chile has a national paper accessible online.

[@Strype13]

Wow. Witsit crying, "I'm not going unless they drop McKeegan and let me go with Jeran." Guy is such an insufferable prick.

[@aaronsbarker]

they (FLERFS) ALL are.

[@AnunnakiAaron]

what a silly excuse to refuse a trip to validate ones beliefs. Just goes to show, they don't really want to know the truth.

[@Heoi_Bikuni]

Jran need his daddy to hold his hand.

[@KuroroSama42]

@@AnunnakiAaron Seems like all that is. An excuse. He doesn't want to go because he doesn't want proof. He's being unreasonable to try and get uninvited, without being overly belligerent and get criticized for it. And getting uninvited would be better than refusing, since that would let him turn it to conspiracy bullshit.

[@geoffh4578]

@@AnunnakiAaron they know the truth, they are just liars and fooling a few vulnerable people while filling their pockets with money - its really sad actually that they can do this and get away with it

[@larryguimond7288]

It's ridiculous that this even has to happen.

[@JohnJacobsen-dg5he]

What is rediculous is the fact that, the entire world believes this massive ball lie when there is ZERO evidence for it.

[@mikep9604]

@@JohnJacobsen-dg5he Why did you make up a story based on your imagination? There are no proofs of a flat earth, not a single one. Flat earth is a blatant lie. Clueless people believe lies about a fictitious flat earth when there is no evidence of it.

[@alangreenspun179]

You're so right! This topic should've been put to bed long ago.. but it hasn't. Because there is no measurement, no scientific proof of a ball. Only word salad and looking up at things in the sky. I agree we need to get to Antarctica, but going down to look at the sun is a waste of time.

[@mikep9604]

@@alangreenspun179 We already know that the earth is a spherical planet. Observations we make show that the the earth is not flat. The earth has been mapped and measured. The curvature of the earth is 1 degree per 60 nautical miles. The daily path of the sun shows that the earth is not flat.

[@alangreenspun179]

​@@mikep9604 railways and bridges are designed and built with no curvature taken in to consideration. pilots are trained as if flying over a motionless, level plane. it's called sea level, not sea curve. Observations are not scientifc proof. please forward any link you have to a measurement experiment done of the curve.

[@GustavoLovato]

If the situation were reversed … say that a wealthy flat earther was willing to pay two people, one flat earther and one globe earther, all expenses to prove that no flights exist from Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia (at least that remain in the southern hemisphere) there would be a waiting list on the globe earth side 3 kilometers long.

[@colinleighton7113]

And you would see the end of the queue disappear over the horizon 😅

[@Hykje]

You know that anybody who goes to Antarctica gets replaced with brainwashed clones by NASA's cybernetic penguins.

[@martinpenwald9475]

Heyyyy! Stop telling The Secret !

[@PorkChopAChunky]

Everyone knows it's walruses not penguins.

[@thespacedinos4037]

its the seals

[@PeerAdder]

@@thespacedinos4037 Navy ones?

[@Jeff9876-k4g]

Lol

[@Nymaz]

FLERFer: "Science is just a conspiracy to make us look dumb!" No need for a conspiracy for that.

[@WCDavis-cl7si]

Is it fun, and do you feel smart when you post dumb Glober nonsense on a dumb Glober channel? Come to a flat chat.

[@flatearthjackal9201]

The only thing that can disprove flat earth is proof of physical curvature, good luck Chuck 😂 Also will need proof you can have gas pressure without a container.

[@nathancook2852]

@@flatearthjackal9201 Gawd, what idiots. We have photos of physical curvature. From space, from airplanes, from mountaintops. But hey, you geniuses go solve all the worlds problems.

[@ninetailedfox579121]

​@@flatearthjackal9201I know your mom's basement is very comfy, but if you just went outside you could see it with your own eyes.

[@orga7777]

I am convinced the people who push "flat earth" are just there to make actual conspiracies that DO happen look fake as well. It is a distraction. People are dumb enough to believe it, though, which is what makes it really sad.

[@fillinblankspace]

Has anyone seen the Flat Earth goalposts lately? I think they are being moved. It would be interesting to see of any Flerfs go. Heaven forbid they will get to see for themselves, the proof they've been asking for.

[@MysteryMeatings]

I guess that many of them probably know by now that the Earth is not flat, but it has become their career now so they have to maintain the charade to keep their income stream flowing.

[@richardadams7683]

The flat earth goalposts were last seen travelling in a north/south/ east-westerly direction on a rocket sled.🙃

[@thewizardsofthezoo5376]

Show us a 24 hours sun then we talk about goals posts like going to the moon growing salads to make more CGI word soup. I still wonder why they have to pay such an expensive and 'DAGEROUS' trip when they could show an un-doctored footage.

[@gentrywalker]

this is so funny because the literal instant the flat earther is decided for the trip, they will be ostracized and immediately accused of being a psyop or whatever

[@SuV33358]

Yep

[@psistarpsi80]

None will accept.

[@R1CH130]

Exactly! It’s career suicide for them, as they will be accused of taking bribes to change sides or something similar! Always an excuse 😂

[@Greg_Andrews]

That is how cults behave. If you "go rogue" (against the cult) you are ostracized, banned and banished from the group (the cult) and maybe even hated.

[@thedubwhisperer2157]

@@Greg_Andrews An elegant and succinct description of JWs!

[@stoves3]

You should reach out to Anthony Powell (maker of the documentary "Antarctica: A Year on Ice") for tips on protecting your camera and video equipment. In his documentary, Anthony mentions how much time and effort he put into ensuring his gear was compatible with the harsh conditions - even making custom equipment. (Though presumably this was for the more harsh winter conditions.) He would have the best direct experience for advising on successful photography and video capture in Antarctica.

[@t4kku303]

Great documentary by the way!

[@seantaggart7382]

​@@t4kku303 indeed

[@MarcGyverIt]

Mr Beast did it

[@DaiTengu]

Set up a Ham radio on HF - make contacts during the 24-hour recording. You'll have a real-time log from both the operator in Antarctica, and the contacts made around the world to corroborate it. Hams scramble to make Antarctica contacts, and you'll get a WIDE range of people from all over the world verifying those contacts. Obviously it requires someone to have a license/callsign. But 6 months is plenty long enough to pass any kind of exam.

[@erikipedia]

Capital idea, this is.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

Genius...👍

[@SuperDavidEF]

I hope Dave sees this. This is a really good idea.

[@h14hc124]

The flerfers will just dismiss it out of hand, like they do with everything else. "All those people were staged, they were all in on the conspiracy, it's all fake news.. la la la la la I'm not listening"

[@Mennenth]

Commenting in hopes Dave sees this. Good idea!

[@k.gall7591]

All you need to do is to go to the extreme edge of the ice wall, lower a camera over the edge, and if you see four elephants on a giant turtle it's proof of a flat earth.

[@tjjones621]

Me standing behind them.. Ok, just get a little closer... a liiiiiiiitle closer...

[@mace8873]

The ice wall doesn't exist, otherwise we wouldn't have the Rimfall, which we very much have as is clear from the documentary The Colour of Magic, presented by Mr. Rincewind and Mr. Twoflower.

No edge fool

[@iggi3985]

I called it at the start before anyone had been announced that all the flerfs will either: - Say no and make up some ridiculous excuse - Delay, say yes and then pull out - Or move the goal posts so far that they dont go. So far, thats all they have done.

[@bryanelam6128]

Whatever you prove, they'll just move the goalposts. Again.

[@TigersLullaby125]

Same when you argue with christians. It's a psychological issue rather than an issue of truth. It's why ideologies are so bad for humans. Generally an ideology is fine if kept at the sidelines but if you plave that in value/importance above objective truth you blind yourself. Then that becomes your reality and you build your life on that as a foundation, so if that ideology crumbles then your whole life topples over andthe person is terrified to let that happen so they defend it at all costs. Like with christianity or other religions it tends to form either from fear of personaldeath, loss of a loved one, or guilt of actions they couldn't morally justify or deserve forgiveness for. So the idea of Jesus solves those problems and with a group of other equally delusional people they can go gather with. When an ideology is the most important thing you place it above logic and objective reality fighting for it so hard that no matter what facts are slapped into your face you will refuse to let your reality crumble. I'm ashamed human kind have come this far that we even have to go through so much to show the world is round. There is no arguing with a flerfer just like you can't argue with very religious people. To deny their reality would crush their whole life and identity. It would be like death to their spirit. Same thing happens with radicals of ay ideology like modern feminism who just simply can't believe any statostics or fscts and evidence that shows men being anything but monsters or that women already have equality or benefits. They want to be permanently the victim as a child without responsibility while also having the authority of a king. Same is going on with the gender sht. Honestly I feel like in the next 5 years we're on the verge of revolution in the US because nobody is happy with our government anymore and we fight among ourselves more than anybody else. Law enforcement is hated by citizens for good reason. Racial stuff is going on, gender stuff, a terrible economy, political problems, ideologies oppose and silence the logical people because they feel threatened. People are starving like me I didn't eat today or yesterday. People are tired. Families are broken apart by a system that rewards mothers for getting rid of fathers and rewards people with money for not get getting a job. A system that infinitely pays for disabled people who created their own disability by eating so much they got diabetes and can't walk.. Or older people. We pay anybody generously who doesn't work and then put that burden on the shoulders of the young healthy kids. Universities put kids into debt to get rich knoeing the kids is gonna work at mcdonalds after and still be in debt for life. Jails judges andcops are paid from the gov based on how many people they can put through the system. Schools are basically not paid at all. While wars we don't have any reason to interfere in are beingfunded ridiculously. Whoever cries and plays victim enough gets whatever they want. Men don't even want to marry women or deal with them beyond sxual relations anymore because whatever value they might bring is not worth the risks. Nobody can afford to thrive, we just barely scrape by while the elderly and disabled and unemployed single mothers profit and laugh. I once heard somebody say "The only country on earth that could take down america is america itself" That's probably the path we're heading toward. I'm at the stage I WANT a revolution soon. I hope this empire falls and the able bodied capable people shift the power back to the right hands. Imagine if we lose power or some catastrophic event shuts everything down. The first to dje would be the elderly who can't get medications and the obese who can't get enough sugar or insulin. Then the physically disabled. Then the drg addicts and reckless violent people. Women would start respecting men realizing both genders are needed. The whiny victimhood people wont survive because they have to actuallytake responsibility when it gets bad and can no longer complain to be handed what they want, if they need food they fotta learn to hunt fish or farm, if they need shelter they gotta figure that out on their own. Everything would be so much better just the healthy young intelligent teamwork oriented people will be around. We need either revolution or catastrophe to reset all this junk. Like Pompei and the fall of Rome and ancient greece and the persians and egyptian empires, it will fall because the system is failing while those at the top benefit by sucking out the lifeforce of everybody below. The power disparity isn't sustainable

[@johnalexir7634]

Exactly. Goal-post moving is a telltale sign of a false theory (or false narrative in general).

[@patricknelson]

This _would_ be the most profitable route. Gotta keep the ruse going.

[@ShagShaggio]

maybe eventually they will move it so much they will end up back where they started and finally realize the earth is actually round lol

[@johnalexir7634]

@@ShagShaggio Lol, that would be going full circle (sphere).

[@richardadams7683]

I live in the UK and have a friend who lives in Australia. We're both amateur astronomers and regularly take photos of the Sun (weather permitting) so decided to try and photograph the Sun at exactly the same time. Having a separation of 120 degrees allows a small window of opportunity for this to happen. For almost a year we tried, but the clouds meant that the nearest we got was 34 minutes. Then earlier this month, the 5th June 2024, we managed to each photograph the Sun at exactly at 07:00 UTC (Coordinated Universal Time), that's 08:00 BST (British Summer Time). We used full-aperture solar filters so had the same sunspots in view. The sunspots move with the axial rotation of the Sun and change over time, meaning they're time and date sensitive, especially their relative positions to each other and the edge of the Sun. I have the photographic evidence along with the details from the camera readouts and have posted it on Facebook and Quora. I'm happy to let you have the details along with my evidence that the Sun is rotating. Good luck being the only one going as the flatties will make excuses for not going and risk losing their income stream.

[@maxfan1591]

Nice work!

[@zeendaniels5809]

Eratosthenes in the 21st century! Btw... "Weather permitting"? Is that a real thing in the UK?

[@ProveAllThings1Th-5-21]

Thanks for sharing this!

[@johncraig2623]

@@richardadams7683 Awesome! Would love a link to the photos. I enjoy solar amateur astronomy very much!

[@jonathanjacobs8989]

Australia isn’t real 😂

[@kenbrown2808]

I'd say have fun meeting flat earthers, but it seems none of them are going to be going there, because they are afraid they are going to be forced to admit they are lying.

[@cryptojihadi265]

Yep, a free trip that will only cost you your source of income, isn't that good of a deal. It's the FIRST thing a FLERF has ever done, that made sense.

[@PressAtoJ]

It's pretty solid proof that all of these guys know the Earth is a sphere and are lying for money. If any single one of them genuinely believed they could go to Antarctica and prove the Earth is flat, they'd be on it in a heartbeat. That would be the opportunity of a lifetime. Them shying away from it and refusing to do it shows their true beliefs.

[@Jehty_]

​@@PressAtoJI don't think that this is proof that they're lying. We humans are pretty good at doing involuntary mental gymnastics to justify our beliefs. That's like the person in an abusive relationship who honestly believes that they are loved by the person beating them up. Makes no sense from the outside, but somehow for that person it makes sense.

[@PressAtoJ]

@@Jehty_ I get what you mean, and you're right. I suppose I meant more that they don't have an honest desire for the truth. I strongly believe most of the big name flerfs are aware the Earth is a sphere, but I think avoiding something like this that would provide clear evidence one way or the other at least shows that their interest does not lie in finding the true answer.

[@WCDavis-cl7si]

Hey karen. I don't know where you get/got your info, but stfu. Admit we're lying? About what?

[@matt-tq2dp]

"The only thing flat earthers fear is sphere itself"

[@jasmijnariel]

😮‍💨😮‍💨and another copycat... Every single time. Come up with something new, it became boring 4y ago

[@fearlessjoebanzai]

​@@jasmijnariel, I am sorry for it was new to me oh divine protector of humour. Please forgive any of us who found it witty and forever let us know when to laugh and what to laugh at. We are at your mercy 🙏

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

@@jasmijnariel and? the flerfs have nothing new, go whine to them.

[@chopsyoutube]

@@jasmijnariel it was in quotes dude, meaning HE WAS QUOTING SOMEBODY

[@spankitout]

Hahaha Good one !

[@silentassassin8584]

Watching flat earthers in full panic mode as their grift is being threatened by something they can't legitimately explain on a flat earth model is glorious

[@TomiJedno]

they cant explain 2 celestial poles on flat earth model.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

​@@TomiJednowhich is why they deny the southern celestial pole and 99% of everything the southern hemisphere peeps experience lol

[@TomiJedno]

@@5peciesunkn0wn yep, i dont care about them anyway, they just stupid.

[@hedgehog3180]

Tbf there's literally thousands of things they can't explain, it's just that this was their goalpost for a long time because they thought no one would bother to spend the money to disprove it.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

@@hedgehog3180 despite the tens of thousands of tourists every year who spend the money lol

[@donnyh3497]

Hey Dave, no joking, I can sincerely give you a way way cheaper final experiment that undeniably proves the shape of the Earth. For less than $300 per person you can take 10 flerfs onto a large "jump plane", like a king air or the like, and take them for a sunset skydive. They can all look out the window before the jump and watch how incredibly fast the sun is setting while on the way down in freefall. Then watch the carnage as they try to figure out with their tiny flerf brains what the hell just happened 😂

[@lucar.923]

Will "real" parachutes be provided? 😈

[@mace8873]

@@lucar.923 Yes, I will gladly provide 10 genuine ACME parachutes, that only has a _small_ chance of containing genuine ACME anvils.

[@spankitout]

Good one.

[@philmenzies2477]

Next Flerf denial fact. Antarctica's ice wall is revolving at 1000 mph in order to keep the sun in view for 24 hours.

[@sethboyce3941]

That seems like something they would say. Especially since that would be too slow for their model.

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

The latest excuse seems to be "coffee cup caustic" mixed with "personal domes".

[@sethboyce3941]

They are going with PERSONAL DOMES (again)?! That almost makes the rest sound better, ALMOST.

[@R1CH130]

@@DavidSmith-vr1nbyeh, saw that on the group chat with Prof Dave 😂

[@Spiderantula]

​@@DavidSmith-vr1nbthey actually talked about a fake sun as well in one of the debates. 🤦‍♀️

[@ShizukuSeiji]

You are so very fortunate to have been offered this trip. I'm massively envious. I wish you all the best and every success.

[@sandoumir4348]

This trip does involve climbing the basement stairs, opening the front door and stepping outside.

[@DrDnd4nyer]

Best comment so far!

[@sandoumir4348]

It was actually meant as a reply to the "no flerfer will go" comment. Now on it's own it could look like I called Dave a shut-in. Glad to see that hasn't happened.

[@Fleato]

the dave weiss classic, gets offered to see proof of his claim.... rejects it... continues making his claim "you cant go there!" well you were just offered to go.... and said no.... so you're instantly proven wrong.

[@Katy_Jones]

But.... but.... demons!

[@A_Stereotypical_Heretic]

But hiding God!

[@gottagowork]

Things to consider to put on the todo list: 1) Magnetic compass shown next to a clock. Does magnetic south deviate enroute? 2) Camera on a level, showing horizon line at different altitudes. Does it change? Why? 3) Be sure to capture that mysterious military patrolling the area and protecting the ice wall. 4) Organize so you can call various flerfers during the trip, and record the conversation. Even if live streaming is not possible. Buddy also records. 5) Bring extra clothes for the flerfers. Being "summer", you know they're gonna show up in Bermuda shorts with no sense of actual climate down there. If a medical is required to go, does that include a mental evaluation? If so, how would any of them be fit to go? Hoping for some very nice weather. How's the climate down there statistically for this period?

[@freezingcathedral]

medical science is science. mental health is a soft-science.

[@dannygjk]

I bet both my balls they will come up with "explanations" of the 24 hour sun.

[@thepooz7205]

They already have. Dave talks about it at length around 13:00

[@dannycarlow8204]

Those things won't cover the ante.

[@DccToon]

r.i.p dannygjk's balls

[@Pottan23]

Reflection, atmospheric mirage, cgi. Take your pick lol

[@dannygjk]

@@DccToon I think you misinterpreted my comment.

[@just-a-simple-lady]

I think it's better to just ignore them. No proof will be enough for them.

[@joecantdance494]

The most succinct and honest reply here. This experiment is ultimately pointless

[@DragonNexus]

See this is why I like Dave McKeegan. He doesn't get into insult flinging KZbin drama. He takes a statement from a flat earther and then explains the science. He's an educator. That's more likely to bring people over who claim to want to be smart. I've not been a flat earther since I was 4, but I still get stuck on the things they say because I don't have the knowledge to counter it. But by watching Dave, now I do.

[@FilthyMudblood]

@@DragonNexusI agree that Dave is one of the best flat earth debunkers. He never insults, just explains the facts in such a thorough and simple way. I’ve also learned a lot watching his videos.

[@just-a-simple-lady]

@@DragonNexus I totally agree with you

[@defaulted9485]

We know, but Dave's doing Science a favor and demonstrating either how far Dunning-Kruger Effect goes or where does the line between stupidity and deceitful lies, with live results and peer viewed by more people than science could ever get.

[@jiannixflow1107]

1980 : "in 2024 we will have flying cars"....flat earthers 2024 : the earth is flat...

[@mohaa556]

Gotta love how there are still months left until the experiment, yet flerfers are already in damage control mode. It's almost like they expect to fail the experiment....

[@freezingcathedral]

just like the news media is currently doing about trump. apply the same process and you'll see why they really drag that dude through the mud.

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

​@@freezingcathedral are you ok?

[@NeutralDrow]

@@DavidSmith-vr1nb MAGAts are never okay.

[@jumpman8282]

@@freezingcathedral That's what happens when reality catches up.

[@Sableagle]

Who? I know that name. Why do I know that name? tronald ... tronald dump ... Where've I seen that name recently? Oh, yeah, in the news, of course. A Texas megachurch said on Tuesday it had accepted the resignation of its senior pastor after he admitted to {kersquabblish} in the 1980s. The church has also launched a formal, legal investigation into the matter. Robert Morris, a founding pastor of Dallas-based Gateway church and one of Donald Trump’s former spiritual advisers, admitted to religious publication the Christian Post on Saturday that he had been involved in {haskabubblidobble} a girl he inaccurately referred to as “a young lady” for several years, between 1982 and 1987, starting when she was 12. Although Morris said he confessed his behavior to the church back in 1987, Gateway church said in a statement to the _Guardian_ on Tuesday that it “did not have all the facts ... ” “The elders’ prior understanding was that Morris’s extramarital relationship, which he had discussed many times throughout his ministry, was with ‘a young lady’ ... ” the statement said. That the guy? Yes? Okay. What were you saying about him?

[@MichaelEllisYT]

Globe Earthers: "Let's try and cover all our bases to no flat earth claim can stand." Flerfs: "iT'z FaYk!!!!!1111!111"

[@evodinoboy3285]

I think that flat earthers will still somehow find a way to ignore this

[@SuPeRHeRoDuDe3124]

Of course they will lol

[@evodinoboy3285]

​@@SuPeRHeRoDuDe3124 that is the only thing that they r good at 😂

[@-SaKage]

Of cause. Anything that proves them wrong is fake. Point. No more arguments. Followed by "Don't just trust people, who claim earth is a globe" and "Do your own research" Flerfing has NOTHING to do with science, it's either a scam or cult

[@cryptojihadi265]

Only takes 3 letters. C G I

[@SilverAlce]

Yep. Cults can always ignore what doesn't align with their beliefs

[@movieklump]

I have been to Antarctica three times in summer. The sun never sets.

[@heyspookyboogie644]

I’m tempted to call myself a flat earther just for a free trip to see a 24 hour sun. 😂

[@brucethen]

You are not the only one :)

[@ChuckLee-oz2es]

@@brucethen Why to enforce your globe delusion even more? You'll never see a 24 hour sun in anarctica since it doesn't exist.

[@Sylfa]

It's cheaper to go north, you don't even have to go all the way to greenland to see it. Though going to Chile and the Antarctic is certainly quite the experience.

[@brucethen]

@Sylfa The problem with that is that it proves nothing, flat earthers agree the sun orbits the north Pole and can reach a point where it never sets, they can't explain it in the south though.

[@Sylfa]

@@brucethen I *assumed* that "I'm tempted to call myself a flat earther just for a free trip to see a 24 hour sun" should be taken as wanting to *see* the midnight sun. Not wanting to have their non-existant beliefs disproven.

[@mdandry]

It’s pretty crappy that you can’t bring your dog, but Jaren gets to bring his 😜

[@Chepchenko]

It would also be a good idea to have a team of 2 people in Alaska during the same week to witness that there is no sunrise or sunset so flat earthers can ask themselves where is the sun?

[@martinpenwald9475]

And going to Prudhoe Bay for example is relatively easy compared to going to Antarctica. You can go there by car. And I guess there are places in Northern Scandinavia or Finland accessible the same way too.

[@zzpazi]

​@@martinpenwald9475 Yep, anything North of Rovaniemi will do. Plenty of nice places to visit.

[@ruukinen]

@@martinpenwald9475 I mean, I can confirm that in the summer, the sun does not go down above Rovaniemi, and in the winter it don't go up. Is someone actually disputing that? Or do they expect the sun to be in on the conspiracy and just for that one trip make it work to then go back?

[@wreckinball11]

I work in Prudhoe Bay 2 weeks on and off but I'm off Dec 10th through 24th. Wish I wasn't. I can confirm there is no sun From November to March.

[@TheCaptainSlappy]

@@ruukinen Well..."quantum physics" does explicitly state you can super-position with a Schroedingers-Mobius Strip until observed and unobserved. And as Descarte V2 would denote, a mere set of unit presences in a vincinity can only ever prove quantum fractal field networking with data transfer between said units in nodes, even during a Zeno's Achilles Paradox event even in & out of super-position.

[@darkstereo1287]

Why doesn't "flat earth millionaire" fund them?

[@tjjones621]

It's Monopoly money..

[@A_Stereotypical_Heretic]

Because that's like saying martian millionaire. If the first part is false, the second must be.

[@tb6303]

🎯

[@Ragingknight12]

Arent you a flat earther cause of the flat earth map as your profile picture?​@@tjjones621

[@PilotFlo]

I'm already hearing the goalposts moved and some sort of refraction and/or perspective summoned

[@ilmanti]

They'll just say it's fake. It's the simplest answer and the one they always give because they will never believe evidence.

[@articticcblu]

flat earth arguments debunk themselves

[@IndiBrony]

​@@ilmantiand if the flat earther gives in and accepts the globe, they'll claim that person wasn't a real flat earther and they're a shill etc.

[@Soundbrigade]

see gee eye ….😅

[@quadmasterXLII]

We have the math for how to define a metric tensor that would make light bend over a flat earth exactly like it's a globe, I'm surprised a troll hasn't already done this and posted somewhere. Maybe I should, make a quick buck

[@bjornsan]

Funny how flerfers decline going. If they were true belivers they would go without a second thought. It just shows that they know the earth is a globe.

[@paulennini3655]

One of the loudest flatheads, Dave Weiss, was offered a place on this trip but turned it down. Others who have been offered in his place are running around making excuses. That, as far as I'm concened, is a concession of defeat. Not that it was likely to be a victory, anyway. How had it even got to this, in the first place?

[@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307]

@@paulennini3655 Just like another other cloud pixie pretenders will avoid the fact their fairy tales are false!

[@BillGarrett]

If any flat earther dares to go on this trip, they'll immediately be labeled a shill by the rest. There's no amount of evidence that will get that community as a whole to stop what they're doing, which is grifting.

[@funx24X7]

Is there a grift involved? I figured people were in it just to feel special and superior to others, how does one profit from sticking their head so firmly into the sand?

[@UncleKennysPlace]

@@funx24X7 The top flerfs (who are sadistic, psychopathic, narcissistic, grifting trolls) can make a living by dragging along the true believers, who are always religious fundamentalists.

[@BillGarrett]

@@funx24X7 the same way anyone else makes money on KZbin - viewer donations and ad revenue. The people who want to feel special and superior aren't just the content creators, but the audience, and they'll give money to the creators that help them feel that way.

[@funx24X7]

@@BillGarrett that makes sense, I’ve only ever encountered them in the wilds of twitter

[@GBS-Warrior]

The Flats are already attacking Jeran for saying he's going, and saying it will make him at the least challenge his beliefs. The Flats are going to attack and alienate anyone who will go against the fixed mindset.

[@mohammedhassen4130]

Even the possibility of being able to go to Antarctica is a huge blow to flat earthers!!

[@JohnSmith-ux3tt]

Yes, it is.

[@meller7303]

This will be an interesting study in psychology when they find a way to deny it after literally seeing it with their own eyes

[@sheltongolden4394]

Yes, I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out in this regard.

[@mayhu3282]

They will be preparing a Flat Earth Summit for after the summer to have all the "science " ready for whoever decides to go to be thoroughly brainwashed and prepped for December.

[@adgdrgar]

None of them will go. So they'll claim it's all fake despite being invited.

[@Chaoskompanie]

Sadly every doomsday cult is enough for it, May 1st, 2000 the world will end. Ohh, it seems there was a miscalculation the world will end in 2100. And so on.

[@leithal1546]

The sun will be a paid actor

Isn't he already?

[@jhe-p0t]

Antarctica would be a paid actor

[@Anonymous-df8it]

Sorry to hijack this comment (it was the highest comment with a 'local minimum' in the number of replies, thus reducing the chance of this getting buried), but could an analogue camera be used to film the sun to make it clear that the image isn't faked? Also, could having two (analogue) cameras, reasonably spaced, and pointing in the same direction, be used to confirm that it's recorded outside, as opposed to on a stage (by confirming that there's minimal parallax of the sun), and a third (again analogue) camera recording the first two be used to confirm that the above setup is complied with?

[@derek9658]

Very amusing like it.

[@derp8575]

There is an artificial sun. It's publicly available information.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

Okay, it took me to about 22 minutes into this video to realize this: While you're flying into this place near the South Pole, just try to get footage of the Flat Earther's ice wall from the air.

[@h14hc124]

There are actually large parts around the coastline of Antarctica that do resemble an vertical "ice wall", where the ice has broken off. It would be quite easy for a dishonest party to take footage of those sections and make it seem to be a wall.

[@WCDavis-cl7si]

every picture you've ever seen of Antarctica is an Ice Wall. You, your beard, and that tie are all freakin stoopid. Do you not belieb in da Icey Wall?

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

​@@h14hc124 They don't look that big from above. Also they're supposed to connect with the "Dome".

[@apocalypseap]

@@DavidSmith-vr1nb Some of them argue there's land "beyond the ice wall" so this wouldn't prove anything to them. They don't even know what the dome is supposed to be made of. They don't even know what stars are.

[@MrKelly-oc5kq]

There is a couple of videos from a plane flying parallel to the ice wall for many miles, it's about 300 ft tall and it sets on the bottom of the sea floor, neat, but how far does it really go, is it all the way around the continent or just several 100 mile on the approach.

[@glenzisko7974]

My dad was in the South Pole when he was in the navy he was cb he said the sun never dropped below the horizon. So they had a Barack with no windows so you could sleep because it was always light out. Said it was the weirdest thing to see forget what season he said it was but in another part of the year it supposedly dark all the time. I heard Alaska is like that too that really must mess with your internal clock but I guess you get used to it after a while.

[@hagerty1952]

Flat Earther's do realize, don't they, that a 24-hour sun is not only possible, but mandatory on their model? If you are standing anywhere on a flat disc, then a light orbiting above the disc between the edge and the center would be visible all the time. The fact that the sun sets at all, anywhere, disproves their model.

[@kindlin]

Well, yeah, everyone one with 3 brain cells realized that. They still try and say something like, the sun only emits light in a cone around the day portion, or that light falls off faster with distance. Remember, they can't believe in stars, other planets, or damn near anything else, or their entire conception of the universe immediately starts to fall apart.

[@hagerty1952]

@@kindlin - Absolutely right. The thing I've never understood about their "cone" theory of the sun is that it would still be there in the sky, you'd just see it dim out and come back later in another part. It would never rise or set on the horizon. "The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one..."

[@rodrigosampaio1560]

It's funny how they mention perspective and even try to show a coin setting on a flat table (which Dave already debunked of course) but even in their model the sun it's supposed to be big, bright and high, you can't just hide an object like this with just perspective

[@Monkey-fv2km]

​@@rodrigosampaio1560you can do anything you want when your world physics requires no consistency at all, which is why this experiment will prove nothing to flat earthers. If scientific evidence meant anything to them they wouldn't be flat earthers in the first place

[@stevepopplewell6448]

No, they think the sun travels away from the observer until it’s too small to see, even though its angular size NEVER changes as it sets. That alone disproves flat earth

[@Daniel-gb9ex]

Easiest way would be buying a newspaper in Chile the day you leave for Antarctica and showing it on camera

[@BIG_PASTA]

“Fake news!”

[@velvetmagnetta3074]

Right, but then they could still say the footage was shot last Decrmber in Greenland in the North in some secret glober NASA vacay or something.

[@doutormanhattan5680]

@@velvetmagnetta3074 newspaper has the year on it.

[@velvetmagnetta3074]

@@doutormanhattan5680 - It doesn't matter because the footage, if not livestreamed, will be decoupled from the newspaper. If there isn't a way to get the date on or linked to the footage, Flerfs could just say Dave shot the midnight sun in Greenland (or Finland, etc.) last year (or any time in the past) and bought a Chilean newspaper this year with this year's date on it.

[@doutormanhattan5680]

@@velvetmagnetta3074 Or they may come out with an absurd explanation about how the midnight sun does not refutes their belief in a FE. Either way, it's just extreme denialism and fanatism. But it's fun to see them creating crazy explanations.

[@Fungo4]

"How do we know they're REALLY in Antarctica?" Yeah, they could just be anywhere that has a 24 hour sun in December!

[@ashwylde3131]

Alaska has a few places like that, but to try and pass that off as Antarctica would be a disgrace and would get you laughed off the internet.

[@depotheose7890]

​@@ashwylde3131but not in december

[@edby263]

@@depotheose7890 Right. Not in December

[@immrsv]

@@depotheose7890 Time machine...

[@Phil-n1p]

This is like waiting for Christmas or Halloween , I'm as giddy as a weeeee skolgurl 😂 The things they are doing and going to say 😂❤

[@Cthulhus_Mum]

That first flat earther who rejected the offer and immediately went on Alex Jones? He’s not a true believer, he’s a grifter. He knows exactly what would be seen down there and he has no intent to lose his cushy lifestyle by exposing it to evidence. Any flat earther who accepts is going to be a true believer, and I honestly feel kind of bad for them - I hope the person who goes has a stable non-grifter income.

[@i.p2154]

I am a flat earther and i will go,

[@alvamiga]

Dave makes lots of money from his app that even uses globe maths to map out illumination areas, sunrise and sunset. He tries to talk big but never produces anything of substance.

[@patrickcardon1643]

@@i.p2154 😄

[@pierreboissonneault]

@@i.p2154 If you go there, just don't think about flat earth all the time, it will be a sad experience. Try to enjoy the fact of being there and exchange with peoples.

[@inthefade]

Grifters, sure. I don't think they are making that much money though. More likely they enjoy trolling.

[@O_Lee69]

The hardest thing is to find an honest Flerf.

[@markwood1159]

It's not hard. It's _impossible._ Like young-Earth creationism, their faith literally _requires_ dishonesty.

[@robzilla69]

​@@markwood1159 conflating the 2 requires dishonesty. But you already know that don't you.

[@KanaMedia101]

​@@robzilla69It's a fair comparison. Just like flat earth, YCE could only be explained by miracles and magic.

[@robzilla69]

​@@KanaMedia101 You would first need to be knowledgeable on both topics to make that statement. It's like flat earhers who don't understand basic geometry saying something is "impossible". How would you even know? I am knowledgeable on both topics and it's just wrong.

[@ilaion11]

@@markwood1159 young-Earth creationism is not how and what flerfs think it is. First and foremost, almost anyone is omitting the fact that in the Genesis it is written about days even before the Sun existed and that is contradictory in itself because it simply cannot be about Earthly days but about Universal days that could mean anything, maybe billion of years. So whoever is taking Genesis as an accurate representation of the world we know, must be a fool. Not that what it says there is flawed, it is that we don't have the measure units to do so, we don't have the meaning of the words to make a connection on a universal scale. The Bible is very adamant about the existence of stars as celestial bodies like the Sun when it talks about the "stones of fire" in the "Cosmos", way before people even knew what the Sun is, that the stars are Sun-like bodies, that there is a Cosmos with large structures like the Milky Way in it. So just because someone is taking the Bible seriously, though, as an allegory in many places, with lots of unknown "data" to us, does not mean he believes in flat Earth!

[@MrOttopants]

It is very cute that Witsit and Jeran feel the need to go to Antarctica on the buddy system. It's like when an elementary class goes on a field trip, and you pair the kids up and have them hold hands.

[@Faesharlyn]

Wearing matching friendship bracelets with little magnetic flat earth beads woven in that click together when their hands touch

[@blanktester]

​@@Faesharlyn"These bracelets are lines, not circles!"

[@Faesharlyn]

@@blanktester *perfect*

[@jayandremcmurtry7331]

well idk about you but I most def do not wanna go to the most inhospitable continent on the face of the earth without someone I trust

[@brag0001]

​@@jayandremcmurtry7331 coward

[@ibpants]

It's telling that the globe side is just like "yeah, let's do it" and the flat earth side is trying themselves in knots trying to weasel out and debunk it before it's even happened. I think that anyone who becomes prominent in their community is hit with enough debunking that they understand they were wrong but they like their job/position of influence enough that they continue the act.

[@nerd3d-com]

Flurf: If I could just go to Antarctica ... Will: Here's your ticket. Flurf: ...

[@babotond]

going from chile to chilly and back to chile...

[@johnqpublic7608]

don't forget antarctica.

[@guillermoperezsantos]

[@greyzard3x]

I see what did there. 🤣🥶🤣

[@tonycook1624]

In that case take a Chilli Dog - it will warm you up

[@dwaneanderson8039]

Chile is actually pronounced "chee-lay."

[@CryptoRoast_0]

I keep asking them what the flat earth prediction is for sun rise and set times in antarctica in December.. no response yet 😅

[@dorfjungegeorg8709]

Would depend on the position of course.

[@merrbino]

They're working out the math. It takes them...a while 😅

[@erikblaas5826]

Achievement unlocked; Trolling the Trolls. 😄

[@mrosskne]

​@@dorfjungegeorg8709the position is Antarctica

[@CryptoRoast_0]

@@dorfjungegeorg8709 they know the exact co ordinates of the position I'm talking about :) the union glacier camp TFE is at.

[@senhowler]

If there's a flerfer who is worried about being surrounded by globe believers I have some bad news for them about...pretty much everywhere.

[@b44rt]

They won't go passed the 60th parallel and therefore not prove anything.

[@thecubeman381]

They're found all around the globe, after all

[@VerticalSlabs]

@@b44rt where will they go then?

[@b44rt]

@@VerticalSlabs They are not going anywhere. I think this whole ordeal will end in nobody going anywhere. THe UK, US and Australian navies patrol the 60th parallel and will return any vessel that crosses it. Some online eceleb grifting won't be approved for passage.

[@VerticalSlabs]

@@b44rt except for every single antarctic expedition that has been filmed and uploaded to youtube, which you can view. if you still think its fake I guess you just have to wait until they actually go to antarctica despite what you believe will happen on the way there.

[@doaimanariroll5121]

I told my FE mutual friend about this and predictably he said even if there was 24 hour sun it wouldn’t prove anything. “There’s nothing you can say that would convince me the world is a globe”

[@mrcombustiblelemon2902]

Flerfers could claim that the people are walking backwards too. It'd be better to film something irreversible, like water being poured into a cup.

[@robertncl]

This man turn flat earth idiots into a constant content farm for videos and got epic free trip to Antarctica 😂

[@Greg_Andrews]

Well, he is a purdy smart dude!

[@mkmason7727]

You won’t believe this ONE WEIRD trick to score a FREE trip to Antarctica!

[@angadbasandrai4814]

flat earthers been real quiet since this dropped

[@wynnnnnnn5227]

Honestly, I wish.

[@Saving-d8k]

Ain't nobody got time for old news. This was debunked almost 10 years ago. Good luck finding any info on it

[@Soup-Boot]

@@Saving-d8k 10 years ago? What happened to all of the other times in the past 2,000 years? XD

[@Paul-nu7nj]

but how will you know you are in the antarctic? you'll be whereever they tell you you are...

[@maxfan1591]

He addresses this in the video from 6:50. Didn't you watch it?

[@mikep9604]

And both teams also have their own GPS unit and they can follow the flight path from the beginning.

[@SwartieLoveJoy]

​@@mikep9604GPS can lie about location.

[@A15degreeperhourdrift]

​@@SwartieLoveJoyWhere else are they likely to be where the sun is visible 24/7, during a northern hemisphere winter?

[@Steve_n360]

I bet flat earthers will say that you actually went to the north pole

[@kringhetto]

They'd have to explain why the sun appears to be going around the wrong way.

[@moirasoma2863]

Well, they cant say that, because we can fly them to the north pole and show them there is no daylight at all. What am I saying? Of course they will say something so dumb and dishonest, they are flat earthers, they have to lie- its pathological with them.

[@Xaac1609]

@@kringhetto "the video is obvoíously played backwards, duh"

[@michaelleifels2004]

Can’t be. The sun does set at the northpole in winter.

[@user-vn1di4oq4w]

"It's all CGI!!"

[@sam_c95]

I'm glad they chose you to go of all people. Firstly your photography background makes you well equipped to conduct good experiments efficiently there as well as to document the trip, and also because you are more about education than ridicule of the flat-earthers which I appreciate.

[@JW-mb6tq]

Hear, hear! And he is a right clever lad also.

[@sebas0816]

Make sure to buy a newspaper at the Chile airport and have its pages pinned to your clothing, tool, an whatever else comes into the view of a camera

[@BobbyHill26]

This is a good idea, video yourself buying a few different newspapers, like some super local paper that can’t be found anywhere else and some national and international papers that all have the date and then show them when you’re in Antarctica and once you get back, video yourself buying the exact same papers, then you can prove both date and location of when they left for and returned from the expedition. Another good idea I think would be to film out the window for the entire flight, maybe with a compass to prove you are traveling south the entire time. And then you could have a second camera that’s filming the original camera and can also see Dave and other passengers of the flight. That would leave little doubt as to where they left from and where they went to.

[@-SaKage]

I just wish for him to have fun. Flerf are just gonna cry "FAKE" again... No point spending money on them

[@mikem3695]

They will just scream "PHOTOSHOP!" and "CGI!"

[@Taromisaki666]

@@mikem3695 He should just livestream himself buying the biggest newspaper he can get his hands on, one that can also be found online and therefore can be verified immediately, then the flerfs can't scream CGI or Photoshop, the only option they'd have left is to call him a time traveller.

[@sebas0816]

My idea was, it is easy to cgi or Photoshop a newspaper into a single shot. But get it crinkled and ripped in basically every scene you take would be an immense effort you can't do between filming and publishing on the web

[@Pebkio_Nomare]

If they're willing to use the atmosphere to explain why the sun appears to go *beneath* the horizon, then they'll have no problem just claiming that the atmosphere can make it look like the sun rotates above their head at the south pole, too. They are *obviously* content to believe that it all just conveniently happens in such a way as to make it look like we live on an oblate spheroid. So it really doesn't matter if you show them *more* things that make it look like we live on an oblate spheroid. That's *already* a part of their beliefs.

[@Pebkio_Nomare]

You can fly them into space, and make them watch the world rotate beneath them for a *whole week* and they'll come down and claim that they already know the atmosphere bends light to make the Earth look round. This seems incredibly pointless. Except, I guess, it's a pretty fun-sounding trip. Thanks to the affluent Colorado guy for that, anyway.

[@alvin2021]

Theyll just say Antarctica has its own Sun😂

[@AnOnymous-go7kn]

Seriously, that's probably *exactly* what they will claim. Not a *sun* per se but some local stage light circling their position,

[@zenithparsec]

And it would just happen to have to have exactly the same spots on it.

[@FlappySock]

it's just the dome doing some wonky physics!

[@GrnXnham]

Or on the trip down to Antarctica, they fell asleep. During the time they were asleep, secret government agents took them to a Truman Show type scenario. When they woke up, thinking they were in Antarctica, they were actually inside a huge secret dome shaped building with a light on the ceiling resembling the sun. And all of this was build JUST to fool the flat earthers.

[@PJ-oe6eu]

​@@AnOnymous-go7kn It would need to have a lot of those then. Given Antarctica is a very very big circle around the rest of the earth it would need to have local lights all around it. Besides wouldn't it also be possible to see 2 light sources at once during this time?

[@jabeavers]

Someone in the community, literally purchased a $15,000 ring gyroscope! I think they could find someone to pay for a trip!!!

[@Batlafication]

Well that's just fake news. It was a 20,000$ ring gyroscope

[@merseyviking]

@@Batlafication Thanks Bob!

[@jabeavers]

@@Batlafication LOL. My bad.

[@cryptojihadi265]

Yep and then when it proved the earth was rotating 15 degrees per hour, they KNEW something had to be interfering with it, so they stuck it in a lead box or something, tested again, EXACT same result. Conclusion...Nuh Uh!

[@MegaBearsFan]

My suspicion is that IF a FLERF goes on this trip, and IF they accept the results, the best we'll get out of them is to just say something along the lines of "Oh, the Earth is still flat. Our particular model was just wrong, and now we need a new model to account for 24-hour sun in Antarctica."

[@ntdscherer]

It seems likely they will not go. They know the minute the plane lands one of their core claims - that nobody is allowed to go to Antarctica - is proven false.

[@someguy6076]

I can help them with that ... (passes beachball)

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

It's already happening. Something to do with caustic curves.

[@tosspot1305]

​@@DavidSmith-vr1nbhahha it really makes me laugh how whenever challenged with evidence they then just make up some bs gibberish buzzword and start presenting it as fact. It's actually hilarious

[@ChickenNuggetManCNM]

@@DavidSmith-vr1nb Funny because this requires the sun to be close (when we can prove it isn't), the sun to be just above the edge of the flat earth (when it is over the tropic of capricorn this time of year), and it doesn't account for the fact that the midnight sun is a very real and observable phenomena (and not a distorted reflection like a coffee cut caustic would cause)

[@waynefisher4296]

If one has to go too such an extent to prove something we know, there is no hope of convincing these people the earth is a globe.

[@vandal280]

Of course Austin wants you out, you actually understand enough to rebutt all their nonsense in real time

[@SuperDavidEF]

I didn't think of that, but that's probably the EXACT reason he's trying to boot Dave out.

[@barryon8706]

Can they "explain" having more than 12 hours of daylight in Australia in December?

[@christianhohenstein1422]

Good point

[@kaarvan]

There is no Australia, every flat-earther knows this! (NO, REALLY, they claim it)

[@planetsec9]

No and they can't explain why I can't see the Southern Cross constellation or Alpha Centauri from Northeast US but anyone in Australia can

[@TheCaptainSlappy]

It would be like me asking you to explain why science states your eyes invert images, because wouldn't that mean you are living on the inside edge of a Hollow Dyson Sphere Earth constantly watching the sun go down?

[@kenw2225]

So gravity isnt real since everything is upside down

[@MrStrizver]

"Are there any other potential arguments..." Yeah, the most powerful one. It goes like this: "Nuh-uh!!!"

[@gmonkman]

Very clear and level headed talk through. Subscribed.

[@jvalfin3359]

Let me guess - after making the trip, the flat earther will just say that they were secretly brought to the North pole instead, denying the results

[@martinpenwald9475]

Which implies that they time-traveled to sometimes 6 monthes earlier or later too.

[@shikniwho7215]

or just say whoever going got brainwashed/pay by NASA to lies. Flat Earthers are really quick on throw away their own if need be.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

@@martinpenwald9475 Time travel confirmed!

[@duncanmcneill7088]

Ok Flerf, if we’re at the North Pole then point to Polaris...

[@isais207]

21:09 we need that flat earth millionaire to pay for the extra flat earthers who need to babysit Witsit on the trip. Where is that guy? It cant be that he just rented the cars and houses when they shot that dumb movie, right?

[@Poppa_Capinyoaz]

Shaq's an FE, why hasn't his millions been asked to contribute to helping prove the FE?

[@williamramey1959]

Where are the "movie stars" and athletes who are flat-earthers? They have the money and they are stupid enough to support the investigation. But alas, not one will give a $1.00 bill toward the project. But I hope that they do.

[@Sableagle]

Why rent a house when you can get paid to replaster its basement?

[@slowbro-]

After the experiment, flat earth’s reaction will be, “its a hoax, i dont accept it, get rekt globies, laugh emote spam”

[@billyray9925]

But who will feed the human while you're gone?

[@Faesharlyn]

He will have to have a sitter or go to a nice boarding spaw.. I'm sure he will be spoiled rotten while they're separated

[@Peter_Trevor]

Meanwhile you’re calling out flat earthers while referring to a dog as human!

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

​@@Peter_Trevor He was talking to Rusty.

[@Faesharlyn]

@@Peter_Trevor he was obviously talking *TO* Rusty, asking who will feed his human (likely because it's one of Rusty's duties to remind "the human" when it's time for food. Maybe see a proctologist for that redwood you're dragging around?

[@billyray9925]

@@Faesharlyn No no no, you have it all wrong. Dave is the dog, the two-leg is under his employ as a man servant and translator. As a species we are not advanced enough to communicate directly. It's all very confusing I know, but did you really think people come here to learn about science or something?

[@HL65536]

To REALLY prove you are not reversing footage is simple: drop fragile stuff. Not only will it fall down, but it will also break into many pieces. Stuff un-breaking and falling upwards should not be possible. And let a couple flat earthers send you "approved" cameras that are sealed by them. Make sure the flat earther has a window seat in the plane. Wouldn't want to let them miss a view of stuff sinking below/coming up from the horizon... If no internet access is available, get a satellite phone (get one that actuall works at the spot where you're going!). Call one or more flat earthers on video. For a bonus, record a Foucault pendulum!

[@tosspot1305]

These are great suggestions!

[@HaloSerene]

I think that you are misunderstanding what Dave meant by reversing the foorage - he did not mean running the video in reverse, he meant flipping it horizontally (left to right). That way, when the video is run forward as normal, the sun would appear to be moving around from right to left like the 24hr sun in Antarctica, instead of from left to right like the 24hr sun in the Arctic. That will cause it's own problems, such as writing on signposts being backward (though I get flerfers will say all the signs were setup beforehand so that all writing was in reverse and these would then appear to be written forward when the flipped video is run), or the landscape itself being flipped left to right - I would love to see how flerfers would claim that was all setup beforehand - no, better yet, it was all done in a ginormous studio, like how moonlandings were supposedly faked😉

[@Anonymous-df8it]

Why would you need internet?! An analogue camera would be better evidence (since you can't use CGI to edit the film), and those sure as heck don't require internet

[@Anonymous-df8it]

@@HaloSerene That's why you should film with two cameras, reasonably spaced, and pointing in the same direction, to show that there's minimal parallax of the sun, and have a third camera recording the first two to confirm that the above setup is complied with

[@DMZKermit]

They’re in a cult. It’s become a cult at this point. When you get offered this and not go, you’re simply happy with your cult and the life it’s offered. Sad.

[@lancehill9971]

Some star fixes like the southern cross would helpful! I know it will be difficult with that much daylight

[@deputyblunderbusboondoggle1807]

common sense is far more useful.

[@ivanpetrov5255]

Last time flerfs tried to crowdfund, Nathan Thompson took the money and ran away, allegedly. It's possible this is the reason nobody is trying that for this experiment.

[@peronkop]

Huh? They wouldn't start one because Nathan Thompson stolen money? I don't see why that is a reason.

[@ivanpetrov5255]

@@peronkop Lack of trust Also, I don't know what exactly happened, because Nathan and Austin were telling different stories. It's just the general gist of it.

[@philipchesley9615]

Will is asking for donations. He has to pay his fines from years of inv*stment fra*d. Look it up. Everybody knows this.