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[@InternetSado]

i dont care that you broke your elbow

[@Rebbing]

😂

[@snrdrm]

LUL

[@JoshMarksman]

removed the last podcast? was in the middle of watching that.

[@andrewprahst]

The thing you need to remember is that people started anticipating a sailing skill when PORT SARIM came into the game

[@CatnamedMittens]

Ever since I got off reddit years ago, I've been happier.

[@eprimchad2576]

many such cases

[@Real-Ruby-Red]

Because reddit is just a far left cesspit full of losers and chronically online offended at everything types.

[@elunedssong8909]

He's doing the work of going on reddit so we don't have to, thanks saybay :)

[@CatnamedMittens]

@@elunedssong8909 true

[@masnkorvface13]

reddit is not the whole community.

[@juliushanlon6222]

sae bae, i think you need to realize you live in a little bit on an echo chamber, that comment about most people not being on osrs reddit is 100% correct

[@videobeats590]

I am the echo of this chamber specifically

[@evang909]

i agree. reddit does NOT speak for me at all

[@silverscreen4522]

Video of latest podcast removed mid drive home. Lame

[@KushKoi]

As someone who has never been able to experience a skill with EVERYONE being lvl 1 I think sailing will become my favorite skill from the experience of getting 1-99 fresh with all the other players while also seeing everyone else on the same lvl and not having a meta developed so I can see what its like to be a true noob

[@ImEgotistical]

My guess pre-watch: gnome cube

[@LunarcomplexMain]

As a maxed iron I cannot wait for this skill and more skills to come out and level them up. I wouldn't understand p2w (maxed or not) players complaining mainly because they can just p2w the game lmao, but for irons I might be able to understand, but at that point, who cares? Are they playing for rank? Because such few people are doing that compared to the majority who shouldn't care about rank.

[@andrewv2782]

Sailing seems fine as a general expansion, but I still don't understand why it is being implemented as a standalone skill. I generally have faith in the team to produce good content, but I don't foresee sailing being particularly intuitive, enjoyable to train, or "feeling" like a skill based on what I've seen so far

[@andrewprahst]

I like to think of the sailing skill as just a skill associated with a content expansion, like how prayer and combat skills are linked to combat content which are not skills in themselves. Sailing skill is just the act of interacting with your boat, and not everything on an island or ocean is part of the sailing skill any more than fight caves are part of the ranged skill

[@rickysmith6041]

well it actually fits very well into firemaking, woodcutting, etc but i didnt care for a new skill to begin with

[@SimpAndy]

It's a standalone skill because we voted for a skill. I don't know how you cant see it feeling like a skill. The woodcutting skill is about cutting trees. The mining skill is about mining ores. The slayer skill is about slaying monsters. The sailing skill is about sailing boats.

[@andrewv2782]

@@SimpAndy I didn't vote for sailing or advocate that it be introduced, so no "we" didn't lol Oversimplifying the scope of the project doesn't make anything look more appealing, it just makes you come off as annoying

[@CryptionGaming]

Sailing has to be a skill for marketing and to justify the amount of dev time that's being put into it

[@max-dw7hq]

nothing like drinking 10-12 cups of coffee to new sae bee

[@phenetiik]

New skills are the definition of the oldschool experience. From 2004 to 2010 they released 7 skills. I was there for every rs2 release, the unknown, the community experience, the market, its all fantastic. I wish they would release another 10 skills. Over the next 10 years.

[@ohokok]

omg no

[@phenetiik]

@ohokok increasing DPS by 500% by adding powercreep is not the oldschool feel

[@kylejoly577]

I get the sentiment - but I don't think that its realistic at all. That whole time period was unique as it fleshed out the game a lot. You can't come up with a list of 10 skills that would actually: A) be a good addition to the game and B) be able to be developed properly in a reasonable time

[@watercrystals9744]

i think it might've been randalicious or thurco in the past, but one of them put it best; the majority of people who want a new skill are the same people who constantly complain they hate skilling and want nothing to do with it the majority of people voting on sailing entering the game are the people who are going to touch the skill once or twice, get it to like level 40, maybe 50, and then never touch it again when they leave the honeymoon phase of "omg new skill" and realize it's the same boring and mundane crap they dislike doing, and then they'll be whining on reddit when jagex start gating pvm content behind needing to level up your sailing to sail to some remote island that requires like 80 or 90 sailing lol

[@Whyamibzsdmh]

Be honest. Do you really think a guy with 200m in every skill hates skilling. Do you really think that.

[@ripendisease]

interesting drinking technique at 1:18

[@Cornhusker1994]

Olm mage hand technique 😂

[@Aura-og5bz]

bro does actual old school runescape rambles this is hilarious loolol

[@Adrian.Christ]

You're 100% right about shamanism. It's fair enough to dislike sailing, but people really need to stop with the shamanism propaganda lol. The worst case scenario with sailing is that there's a dumb boat skill in the game that you can mostly ignore. The worst case scenario for a skill that augments gear is so much worse

[@Oct0ber_Skyy]

I was dependent on a small daily dose of caffeine, until I was properly treated for ADHD and anxiety. Now I realize I was self medicating.

[@M_e_zz]

I'm pretty sure Jagex said the majoirity of max and high total level players voted for sailing but a higher percentage of low to mid players voted for it so I don't think most of the people who dislike sailing are higher level players but a good percentage probably are. For me as a max player I'd be happy to see new content like a new skill because whenever theres a new skilling update its basically dead content for me as I'm already 99. I don't really think theres that much more dislike for sailing then there was before it was even announced based on upvoted threads on reddit that people made right around the time the summit where they announced the initial new skill poll. I made a reworked sailing skill pitch that I posted not long after the new skill announcement. It got somewhere around 4k upvotes and the day after there were atleast 2 threads with 1k upvotes just saying "sailing sucks." I remember seeing top upvoted comments back then saying stuff like "the only reason anyone wants sailing is because they're just following what daddy B0aty and Faux said." If people are upset about something there a lot more likely to go and post about it then the people who like the direction of a new update or the people who are neutral on it. I think if they can get combat to feel good with weapon facilities then I think it couid become one of the best additions to the game. Also about the shamanism name point, I think voodoo would of been a much worse choice. Shamanism is far more broad than voodoo which is a specific culture tied to Haiti and the Caribbean. The term shaman is used for a ton of different cultures and people from all different time periods so it's far more fitting.

[@watercrystals9744]

>I'm pretty sure Jagex said the majoirity of max and high total level players voted for sailing yeah but there's a difference between just being maxed or having a high total level, and actually being a high level skiller - tons of people like aatykon only maxed because you have to max to pvm efficiently and otherwise think skilling is a blight on the game and that the game would benefit without it in general just look at how many people think the "grind" stops at 99, like no dawg, post-99 skilling is where most skills are actually at their best lol and you have the best chance at resource rolls and what not go ask the majority of people in hexis or solace and almost all of them will tell you sailing and a new skill in general is a terrible idea

[@sociallywalkward6582]

I just don't want to have to grind a new skill to 99 just to keep my max cape. I want to pvm, I'm done grinding a skill for months 😂 like sure release sailing, just not as a skill

[@YtAnnoying]

Been on that sparkling water grind for some years now and just rediscovered Liquid Death with their VAST amount of flavors, they're pretty good

[@Sargaxiist2022]

Caffeine? I just eat a fistful of stimulants each day like an adult 😂

[@Cnelson720]

sailing has been a rumored skill for a very long time, before OSRS. I think player owned ports is what became of "sailing" in rs2/3

[@nameunavailable-gp3ot]

Nah ports was never to do with sailing just sea related , sailing was nothing but an edited photo passed around after the high scores glitched and showed hunter place holder

[@xxgnrxx]

Daily caffeine for 20 years now baby. Can’t miss it

[@beardedrake9983]

I think sailing looks absolutely terrible. They need to poll if it should still be put into the game before they continue to use resources on it. I see more people disliking it as time goes on. Sailing will not pass the final poll.

[@roadrunne255]

What looks terrible about it?

[@prodlom]

bro its runescape the entire game looks bad. its not about how janky sailing looks its about all the content made possible with sailing

[@SimpAndy]

You see people disliking it because it's likely content you seek out / people you constantly interact with. Twitter acts like the 12 people screeching about it are the entire community. The progress on the skill looks great. I'm keen to try it and unlike the anti sailing crowd I'm not holding a judgement till I've tried it and will then give feedback on how to improve it instead of having a tantrum

[@currentcommerce4774]

sailing won, quit crying

[@JayHarrr]

I wake up at 4am everyday and I have 500mg of caffeine by 10am 😂

[@m4riokartph3nom]

Been maxed since 2021. Kinda looking forward to finally maxing again and I think sailing has a lot of potential I'm glad they are not rushing it.

[@biggringus5499]

someone suggesting that sailing is good because we dont need to hold on the past is ridiculous, either its good or bad, i dont get the impression that the extreme end of the opinion spectrum that suggests no change ever should come into osrs is the dominant force behind being anti sailing. Its a strawman. i noticed alot of impassioned reddit posts use bad strawmen to underpin their points. seems liek the dominant discursive style in general in the world, create bad guy, make self good guy, easy win at the cost of injecting highly combative emotion into a discussion that would benefit from its absence. it certainly gets attention though. i just dont see how sailing integrates with the game in the way i could easily see how taming or shamanism might easily connect with existing aspects of the game. Sailing sounds like something that would need to be tortured into the game.

[@Yltimate_]

@@biggringus5499 very well put

[@burntfish123]

the short of how sailing integrates is that it opens up exploration of a whole area previously unknown - something pretty core to osrs. Taming I could see feeling natural, but shamanism would have changed a lot about how combat works

[@biggringus5499]

@ but it still interacts with combat, a meaty part of the game. the meatiest, even, expanding and adding to maybe the core gameplay experience of the game. Sailing is about getting to somewhere? So what do you do when u get there. Does this mean traveling to a place is now going to be expanded and take more time. Bro are we not gonna be able to tele to these places. wtf is going on.

[@M_e_zz]

It's not a strawman when there are people literally saying sailing is bad because its not old school and will change the game. If anything your strawmanning the anti sailing players, they're not taking an extreme stance on no change ever. They just don't want change they don't like and can't actually put together any actual good argument for why sailing is bad so they just say "its not old school." What do you expect someone to reply to a ton of people using lazy vibes based arguments as their main reason for why sailing is bad? And about sailing not intergrating into the game, it's already in the game. Go to a port, theres a bunch of sailors and ships there. How exactly would if be unfitting for something that is not only a trade / profession but already thematically exists in the game and is something that the player doesn't have access to currently themselves. If your confused about the point of sailing watch the last sailing Q&A and read the past blogs.

[@eprimchad2576]

for me its simple sailing can easily tie into every other skill, new trees for wc and fm, new rocks for smithing and mining, new enemies for slayer and combat, literally every single skill can easily be intertwined and integrated perfectly into sailing and the new islands that come with it. how does shamanism tie into mining? or construction? how about wood cutting? i think this is a disingenuine argument and the truth is actually the exact opposite of what youve said here. shamanism has almost no place in the game unless you want to entirely rework certain aspects especially combat, where as sailing can be integrated with no major changes to the overall structure of the game and just enhances and expands on every aspect of it. more of a game expansion than a skill but it still makes sense for it to have a level tied to it.

[@CorgiCA]

I appreciate your candidate nature and who you are man, great stuff as always.

[@evanyeager]

One thing I’ve always enjoyed about OSRS was the community finding ways to make content either more or less efficient based on how active they want to play at the time. So my only gripe with the current development of the game, and in turn sailing, is them giving us clear cut ways of efficient and non efficient methods of training. They don’t just make the game anymore, they focus on creating these methods instead of letting the players discover them and that takes away the fun in my eyes.

[@renegad3s]

I’m so burnt of the game at the moment that I just feel like the dabbing dude meme when it comes to sailing and people arguing over it. All we can hope for at this point is it isn’t like forrestry and also that it isn’t just forced into the game because of the amount of dev time already spent on it. Same with the delve boss. Those rewards don’t get me excited. Love all the casts recently, the quantity is also amazing!

[@TheFriskySquid]

Sailing was the only unique skill proposed. The others were an amalgamation of RS3 and previously failed skill polls like Artisan, Divination/Invention, Summoning, Warding, and of course would have worked as updates to the already bloated crafting skill, fletching, magic, hunter etc. Sailing, while it is a meme, will open up the entirety of the empty space on the map, bring new encounters (and reason for those encounters to exist), new items etc. Not for the sake of having a new skill with new items, but for the sake of being a good part of the game. Guilds and guild activities, as well as new minigames work wayyy better than Artisan or Warding ever would have been. And a lot of the balancing like for magic armor with warding is in the game now etc. You never needed a new skill to introduce balancing or new items or ways to train.

[@Mastercaped]

No, I'm just gonna say it. You have too much modern shit in your living room.

[@aidankrautner8254]

Regarding your caffeine question, I stopped drinking caffeine last year. I think it affects us all vastly differently and it affected me significantly. Improved my sleep, happiness, anxiety, and general energy in the afternoon especially to stop using it. I do drink a tea or small coffee on occasion but I usually regret it. Water energizes me far more sustainably

[@mentalmidgy]

The only thing I want from sailing is an expansion of the wilderness. I don't care about ship battles with cannons or boarding other players' ships. I want something like an island where the port (think Ferox Enclave) is one of the only safezones in the whole area. Enemies could drop treasure chests that stack that contain various pvp items and sailing materials when opened. An idea for a boss could be a legendary pirate that is undead and you fight him in a cave where you need to drag him around to areas of sunlight to reveal his true self where you can deal damage to him

[@CatnamedMittens]

PvM doesn't belong in the wildy (for the most part).

[@mentalmidgy]

@CatnamedMittens wildy slayer is my favorite thing in the game and that's mostly pvm with anti-pk/escape when you get found

[@CatnamedMittens]

​@@mentalmidgygood for you.

[@roadrunne255]

In Archeage, there were sunken chests in the ocean that you found the location of with a radar on your ship. It was in the open sea so obviously it was also a PVP zone. You had to swim underwater to discover the treasure, then loot it to put it on your back and then put it in the storage crates of your ship. You had to cash it in at a trader in a safe zone (where a town or city are).

[@julianrogers8608]

​@@CatnamedMittenspvm does belong in the wildy u don't belong there lmao many people in the game enjoy wildy pvm just because reddit screams wildy bad doesn't mean everyone else does 😂

[@JiroOSRS]

The reason it might be confusing is because there was another first post titled "I'm just gonna say it" and the post detailed how he didn't want sailing to come into the game. So this post was in reply to the first one, which is why the title and context might be confusing if you're only seeing this second one

[@FiendOSRS]

Daily caffeine drinker here, but almost exclusively from black coffee. Every now and then I’ll have a reign.

[@wekky420ranarr]

i am elevating bitter black coffee experience by contrasting it with hyper sweet artificial sweetener monsters

[@LaArcieroProfano]

I think shamanism could still be a great addition to the game while not being a skill. When someone suggested it as a massive quest expansion, I thought it could be really well implemented. Allowing you to communicate with spirits from past (and maybe future) ages of Gielinor would be a great way to explore lore

[@parallaxninja456]

Respectfully, people just need to stfu. This game (including when classic dropped) is like 25/26 years old. Let them add shit and stop crying. This game will continue to change and the people crying over sailing need to wake up to the reality of that.

[@FluffMuffTater]

Haha, watching as I drink a coffee. I would say I consume caffeine 3-4 days a week but its typically in the form of a single black coffee. Also, to add some OSRS relevance to my comment - I am very excited for sailing. I think one main benefit of sailing (and a reason it will take longer than people think) is it will force Jagex to finish every landmass border and eliminate black squares. I believe this is mainly the Varlamore pt3 update, but also Menaphos. I dont know if Jagex has even begun development of what could be a potetentially large piece of content. Besides this, the basic demonstration of the skill so far just looks cozy and fun. Dont see anything negative about it

[@videobeats590]

Once daily, now occasional coffee drinker here. Gotta say is much better to use as a tool sometimes, rather than a crutch every day. If you can stay alert and focused and awake without it, then there's no need for it. Plain and simple, glad your feeling good about it Saeder! Great ramble too!

[@fwenge]

bro just gonna say it on black history month

[@Zulohh]

I'm just going to say it... sailing wouldn't have passed if they didn't lower the poll percentage for things to pass.

[@erinbyrnes5921]

It did. It passed by 76%, previously 75% was required.

[@Zulohh]

@@erinbyrnes5921 71.9%

[@Whyamibzsdmh]

Pretty much. They were so blatant about it too, it's actually depressing.

[@shyfm]

22:40 this is something ive thought this whole time oh my god - even just calling it "Shaman" would have been enough i think

[@torolf007]

I still have no clue whats going on in Forestry. And when it comes to the loot in hunter rumours, I just slapped it all in my bank.

[@SimpAndy]

The hunter rumours point was weird. It added like.. 2 new items. One is a unique to make the quetzal landing sites. The other is to make hunter spears. All the meats are just from hunter creatures and are new food, rumours doesn't add those it just rewards them along with other resources.

[@Thegodholms]

Rumors are nice. Good hunting xp makes if better instead of doing the same thing over again. Good stuff from sacks also. Prayer. Food. Gp.

[@watercrystals9744]

@@Thegodholms i think rumors were an awful addition and just turned hunter into slayer 2.0, except without the actual emerging gameplay that slayer has where each task has so many ways to approach how you do them and results in each player having a unique experience, while rumors by comparison are just people blocking all of the longest rumors to quickly go through the remaining like 5 or 6 tasks available, of which you just get reskins like dark kebbits and dashing kebbits or orange/red/tecu salamanders which are functionally identical beyond the chance of success at catching them they're pretty clearly just a thinly veiled ironman pandering update to make getting bird nests for brews in mass quantities easier and is otherwise a pretty uninspired update there's basically zero reason not to just do drift net for fishing + hunter xp if you're not an ironman since it's a considerably better use of anyone's time, which lack of time is the number one thing all the dads who have five wives and 30 kids seem to complain about the game not respecting

[@intergalacticpigmentpusher]

U know ur addicted 2 caffeine when u can sleep after a cup of coffee/etc

[@SimpAndy]

Caffeine isn't a stimulant. It doesn't keep you awake. It simply blocks the receptors that tell your brain "it's time to feel tired". So as long as you know how to lay down, close your eyes and relax your body and fall asleep, caffeine won't impact that. It just might impact your desire / need to go tonsleep

[@evang909]

the forestry hate is such a circle jerk. I haven't heard a single compelling argument as to why it's a bad update. It added tree timers (shouldn't have to explain why this is so good), the +10 makes a massive difference in xp while embracing the mmo aspect, and the events are dopamine city. It's also quite a simple update. Just chop yews in a forestry world while focusing on other things. It makes 1-90 SOOO much more bearable

[@SimpAndy]

I think theres probably a higher % of max players who are hesitant or opposed to sailing but i dont think they make up a majority of the no crowd. Ive been maxed since 2017, and maxed two other sccounts since then (just recently maxed the GIM). I am *so excited* for a new skill and happg we got sailing, as i feel it can shine on its own gsmeplay and world integration, whereas Shamanism would have needed an entire identity overhaul to not be a skill that buffs our entire charscter across the whole game world to be relevant. Shamanism bored me, personally. It had the same issues as warding where it tried so hard to replicate RS3 skill successes without fully understanding what made them successful and also not just... Copying them. It had 20% of archaeology, 20% of invention, 20% of divination, even 20% of summoning with all of the "gather resources by doing everything else except this skill". Like bringing carving knives to slayer tasks to get resources for shamanism, and then doing skilling for resources, and then going into the (vaguely mentioned but always relied upon by supporters as its big appeal) spirit realm to train divination and gather spirit resources. Youd do all of that afk gathering / passive while playing the rest of the game to finally interact with the exciting skill of.. standing at the bank making buffs for your character. Its end gameplay loop and purpose is pretty much herblore. Which just... Did not get me excited. And made me know if it came with the purpose and identity proposed that it would be a summoning charm level of painful resource gathering / boring afk into boring bankstanding and thats it. And all of that to probably buff everything from pvm to skilling. I like sailing because it excites me to train sailing. It brings back the nostalgia of exploring new areas of the world and finding things out in the ocean. Obviously that is temporary until weve explored it all but its still new things. Not just standing in craft guild making new things. And it can stand on its own merit. I will be training sailing and sailing wont be relevant to train purely because it makes my PvM easier.

[@jones877]

People have a fear of the unknown when it comes to skills, just like people have a fear of the sea

[@Fr0st_Tea]

It was supposed to be a process of elimination on the three skill choices. If it were sailing vs. shamanism only, shamanism would've won by so so so so much. They changed how they said they were going to poll the skill. Instead of a second vote against the other highly voted skill like everyone expected, they stuck with sailing.

[@SimpAndy]

No it was never supposed to be that. I highly suggest you go back and read the blogs and polls. They stated they would repoll if a winner was not clear. A winner was clear. Sailing won both single and multiple choice questions. Statistically speaking that means it also wins a head to head with shamanism. And then argument would just shift to "it was too close". But if shamanism won the followup head to head you know all the sailing haters would say that's enough to choose it despite sailing winning both previous questions.

[@J3dotgg]

8:37 you're out of touch I'm sorry lol

[@Bllueee]

Not really, the things redditors oppose usually don't pass when polled for the entire game

[@RSN-Humble]

Ye nobody i know uses rs reddit tbh

[@J3dotgg]

@@Bllueee The players that care enough to actually vote on polls probably have a lot of overlap with the players that browse the subreddit. They don't make up the majority though.

[@Bllueee]

@@J3dotgg Thats a good point I didn't think about!

[@Jclarkis1005]

Speech skill actually sounds insane and very old school although training it would be boring af like how would that even work

[@quasar2880]

honestly it probably couldve worked as an alternative to the quest point system, where you get xp by doing quests but it would be impossible to do now

[@Jclarkis1005]

@ that actually would be sick too

[@julianrogers8608]

​@@Jclarkis1005no it wouldn't it sounds cool but it's just a pointless skill you only level by questing or talking to npcs it would become a nuisance firemaking makes more sense than it

[@austinbrown8309]

Tragic that you’ve never read shaman king

[@Cosmolabers]

Black coffee everyday for liver health.

[@OnlyTrails]

Banger ramble

[@Korky91]

I'm actually not on reddit, don't offend people that are not on reddit plz.

[@JeffJefferson69]

Regarding caffeine, have you considered brewing your own coffee? Caffeine on it's own, up to like 3 coffee cups day has supposed health benefits, but it's the energy drinks/sugary starbucks drinks that cancel out any health benefit.

[@Draenal]

Shamanism was my preference. I conceptually like sailing, but I feel the same way about it that I do about slayer: It could be more interesting and more fun if it didn't have to have an xp bar attached to it.

[@SimpAndy]

Shamanisms whole identity is already in the game. Herblore has natural resources gained from combat and farming and around the world..then you stand at a bank and make boosts and buffs for your player. Shamanism just added nothing. Sailing adds a lot and the XP bar is simply a way to create meaningful progression, just like slayer. It's a core identity of the whole game.

[@Feelin_good]

I do the on/off cycle of caffeine as well. I eventually get up to 350-450mg of caffeine a day. I always feel better either off caffeine or on low doses! Didn’t realize how anxious it made me till recently. Great stuff! Also I’m hyped for sailing! I’m gonna grind it all the way haha

[@2007Dex]

Sae Bae's no caffeine Saphiro-esque arc incoming. Just please dont quit OSRS and tell us how we're all losers for playing. Nah I reduced my caffeine a lot, no coffee or energy drinks anymore. Just 2 or 3 black teas, and none after 2PM. Defo feel less jittery and not reliant on caffeine to function anymore which is great

[@Blesses.]

i’m just praying sailing will get scrapped. it looks so fking stupid

[@AllardWolff]

Same.

[@SimpAndy]

It's not gonna get scrapped. Suggest engaging with the blogs and survey with actual feedback. "It looks fkn stupid" will just make you get ignored because it's not really feedback

[@Blesses.]

@ we can still pray for it getting scrapped. idk anyone who actually wants this trash in the game

[@zachelkin8070]

Used to be big fan of Celsius energy drinks and coffee but the crash was horrid for me. now my preferred caffeine is from black tea around 1-3pm Also take a 3mg zyn once or twice a day for a pick me up. Can't say I am addicted to either, I can go without just fine but if I am going to be doing something engaging it's nice to be stimulated.

[@adamstaceyzach]

I wake up to drink coffee.

[@Excendre]

Every time I've been off caffeine, I've always felt so much healthier past the first day or two (headaches caused by your body no longer having caffeine in it constantly), and I've always felt like that is the best way to go about things. I just wish caffeinated drinks weren't so good to me, because I'd much rather be off it than on it. Skill issue on my part tho I guess, but if you can stay off caffeine, I'd highly encourage it.

[@beardedrake9983]

I drink caffeine everyday. It's nice and I like it, as long as you don't take more than 400-500 mg per day it's fine. Talking about being caffeine free is a little silly to me I don't think it's a big deal at all

[@jackjack3472]

I'm a sailing hater. None of the training methods sound very fun (mostly fetch quests using clunky ship navigation), but to be fair it's tough to judge without actually trying it out. I'm just not confident that grinding to 82 sailing for some new unlock would be very fun, even if the first few hours is exciting Warding was my favorite proposed skill. I think it would be a great excuse to rebalance magic gear, and its training methods feel very old school

[@sunnyc1732]

My concern with Sailing is it's going to ruin the economy. If charter ships generate less income from fares, they will have to raise their prices on goods. That will increase the price of supercompost for everyone, and therefore ultracompost, among who knows how many other items. We really need to tread with caution here.

[@_iunu]

First thing I do when I wake up is drink a 5 hour energy done it for about 5 years straight and drink pre workout daily

[@sobpop]

I think saying that reddit and twitter isn't a "vocal minority" then saying that there's a decline in active players who actually engage in polls contradicts each other. If people aren't voting on sailing, then they are most likely not on reddit talking about sailing. People are looking for something to complain about. I dropped a 19 minute opinion piece about jagex's financials and their "ironman catering updates" and talked about sailing for a whole 75 seconds and people came out of the woodworks to shit on sailing because I said it would probably be fine. Sailing is probably the "biggest" content based on a poll and its essentially created two "political parties" in the community. Those who don't want change and those who do.

[@weemanwilson1992]

I only drink coffee and only in the mornings and only if I am especially slow to wake.

[@Abetherat305]

Heavily reliant on nicotine and caffeine , funny enough I over caffeinated today and feel like complete shit

[@currentcommerce4774]

its still unbelievable to me how many people get a soggy diaper over sailing when not only have they havent played it yet - jagex didnt even make it yet! how on earth are this many people saying they hate a skill that doesnt even exist yet, talk about having a closed mind. some of yall need to log off & come back when you play videogames for fun again.

[@blackmagicks]

Trust me, you DO want the skill to be complex like dungeoneering or archaeology. You cannot use forestry as a comparison because in the end it is just woodcutting, woodcutting that you can do the old way and be laid back or efficient, whichever you choose. Im not saying the skill needs to be needlessly difficult to understand, but you need depth for it. Otherwise you will get warding2.0.

[@g00gly0eyes]

Having an arizona tea with my dinner while watching this!

[@Fan-td8dv]

I think of the 3 skills proposed sailing had the best team. If the same team worked on each skill the vote would of been closer.

[@cendemback]

My immersion is ruined i didnt know hes BALD

[@Nuvizzle]

The "poll passed over a year ago" part is why I didn't want sailing and I only feel more confident than I did at the time when we're a year and a half past the start of development and everything they're showing still seems years away from making it into the game. Back in RS2 days Jagex could bang out 2 new skills a year, even skills that were pretty wide in scope and required a lot of new tech like Dungeoneering and Summoning. Sailing is more like a whole expansion's worth of content than a single skill. It's the kind of thing that needs to be in the game from the start and built upon for years, not just dumped into current day OSRS. The amount of man hours required to implement such a vast change to the game and keep it well integrated and up to the standard of 2025 content is so overwhelming Jagex could've easily thrown 3 or 4 skills into the game by the time sailing actually rolls out.

[@DeShnicky]

only the janitors and nerds are on reddit

[@Verseid]

In any case, I know that if sailing does eventually come into the game it's probably going to be a gamebreaking clusterf**k for weeks after. We're gonna see people glitching boats inland into cities, random glitches causing the deaths of high level Hardcores and who knows what else. It's going to wreck the OSRS spaghetti code.

[@SimpAndy]

I won't be surprised if their public alphas have some issues like this, especially boats clipping land objects and such. But I doubt that's how the live game version looks

[@Verseid]

@SimpAndy I hear you... but at the same time, history has taught me that someone in this community always finds a way.

[@frozennuggetsandpizza]

not everyone is on reddit, and even more so not everyone who's on there necessarily agree with the opinion posts that get upvoted

[@Real-Ruby-Red]

Everyone I ask say they dont care for it but again as a total whole of the playerbase it probably accounts for 0.1% or less of the playerbase.

[@Avenge_HiiPower]

I voted for sailing, but after seeing the amount of time already put in vs the progress I would have much preferred them to put that time into something else

[@SimpAndy]

This take is always interesting to me because they have been ridiculously transparent from the get go of the time it would take and that MOST of that time will be getting the core systems (navigating a boat) correct.

[@XhunterDragon96]

Reddit is not a vocal minority per se, but the mod team has said time and time again they dont want to only listen to Reddit, because sometimes the subreddit is 100% sure a certain way is right, but the polls show otherwise.

[@martinverbeek8862]

36 litres a day.

[@Yltimate_]

Glad you and Scott discussed it last night

[@HazeShades]

I’m glad he asked :)

[@Yltimate_]

@@HazeShades hey its the guy

[@chillin-gamin]

everyone is not on reddit lol

[@MrRsErik]

5% of players use reddit as its a toxic pool of negativity and is overall bad for your mental health.

[@MrRsErik]

ps there were 100 better ideas on twitter/other platforms that were ideas that were 100x better and for some reason jagex chose to do one poll with (1/2 of summoning) or (1/2 of summoning) or (sailing"theApril fools joke) there was litterally no consideration for the hundreds of flushed out skill ideas that were already 80% built in concept. also you could pick every single option so it wasnt like what was better it was just does this skill sound okay just off the name.

[@MrAwesomePersonality]

If it was up to the players who are against sailing we would never have a new skill.

[@watercrystals9744]

yeah and that's a good thing why add a new skill when 90% of players can't stand skilling and demand every single activity is made more afk and gives more xp? while the 10% of people who like skilling think a new skill is a horrible idea?

[@MrAwesomePersonality]

@@watercrystals9744 Well those are some interesting percentages but the answer is growth. OsRS is an ever improving game rn with new players coming in all the time. We’ve already experienced these same skills since 2005. The anti new skill crowd had a good 20 years I think that is a good run. New skill will release and all the people against it will be right there with their boats going for 99. Also the race will probably go crazy.

[@ardenfoxx6844]

Here is my essay on why this poster is right: I have yet to see anyone have a valid criticism of introducing sailing other than Max players losing their capes and the skilling hiscores being shaken up. "It might be bad" Okay? So could any other update. "It might be too convoluted/not intuitive enough" From what they've presented so far, sailing seems as intuitive as it gets. Get on boat. Move with boat. Do a skilling activity like fishing or dredging. Trim sails. Move again. Things may get more complicated at higher levels but thats how it works with literally every other skill. Hallowed Sepulchre is one of the most complicated activities in the game and we love Sep on this channel. "Sailing doesn't fit with Oldschool Runescape" You're kidding right? The core design of Runescape is that the more time you invest in it, the more the world opens up around you. New quests, new monsters, new skills and skilling activities, new areas, new minigames. There is no skill that fits with this design principle more neatly than Sailing and to figuratively and literally explore these opportunities. Sailing being a meme for so long isn't a detriment to its credibility as a new skill, its proof that players and developers alike have yearned for a natural progression of runescape's design philosophy to be implemented in the form of sailing. "Shamanism would have been better" Not only would Shamanism broken the game but its antithetical to the design principles of OSRS. If you want a gear upgrade you go do a minigame or kill a boss. Thats it. Thats the gameplay loop. Anything else would jeopardize the balance of the game. Many players are saying Jagex is already having a difficult time balancing new gear releases so could you imagine how much worse it would be if they had to factor shamanism into that as well. If you're still butthurt about Sailing being voted in over shamanism in 2025 you didn't care about a new skill or the health of the game. You just wanted broken gear.

[@watercrystals9744]

my argument is the vast majority of people hate skilling, so why are we wasting development time on a new skill when most people who actually like skilling, aka the people who do post-99 grinding, clearly hate it, while the people who hate skilling and want to do everything in their power to avoid it, won't interact with the content in any meaningful way? there's a reason when jagex used to post the average account of an osrs player and all their non combat stats were in the 30s and 40s lol if the majority of people liked skilling, we wouldn't see daily complaints about half the skills in the game being too slow to train, or not afk enough, or whatever other braindead take 2007scape users make, because people who like skilling aren't concerned with the destination, they enjoy the journey unfortunately jagex themselves have completely forgotten that osrs is supposed to be a sandbox game where you do the things you want and avoid the things you don't like, in favor of catering to people who "torture" themselves into doing grinds they can't stand and then make fallacious arguments like "you only are against change because you suffered and think everyone else should!"

[@ardenfoxx6844]

@watercrystals9744 because sailing is a vehicle for new content for years to come. Skilling is an integral part of the game. You cant have osrs without skilling. Without skilling, the game is just killing goblins in lumby. Osrs is still that sandbox. If you dont like a grind, there are a million others to try

[@Elit3Blaze]

3:44 when i maxed 4 years ago i would agree at the time no new skills Now I lowkey want a new skill. Other than dmm/leagues i do kinda miss levelling up.

[@Vaelin94]

I wanted sailing in the game when I was 12, there were whispers and rumors about it everywhere. That was 18 years ago. I couldn't care less about it now. the videos they've shown look like shit, and I have no idea how you even train this weird skill. the most efficient training is prolly gunna be spam repairing your boat, or boating in circles for 300 hours. Sailing is not a skill, it's a charter ship rework. It's a vessel to access new islands with slayer mobs/bosses/skilling resources.

[@reaper10142]

Yea sailing was originally a April fools joke by jagex back in the day ever since then players always wanted the skill in the game

[@SimpAndy]

That April fools joke was legit close to a decade after sailing was first in the community zeitgeist.

[@HughWanztino]

Charisma is the name of your skill you're looking for and it's a terrible suggestion lol

[@Goose-wedding]

caffine isn't the problem its all that sugar water. coffee is the way to be caffeinated and not feel like shit in my experience.

[@Feelin_good]

I do like your take of fixing other skills before making new ones. You and other people on the cast have had good ideas for fixing skilling as well. I hope they do continue working and tweaking old skills. And I don’t mean just adding a mini game for every skill. Although I will say I really enjoyed wintertodt and gotr. It here is a balance to be achieved.

[@TheOSRSDad]

If you're interacting with reddit and not the polls you don't care about the game as much as you say

[@alan__6453]

I didn’t want a new skill no matter what it was. But since we are getting one I don’t mind that it’s sailing. I think it’ll be a good skill when they release it, and if they can’t make it good they will scrap it before they put out some bullshit

[@jones877]

We need a firemaking 2 skill

[@bolo2747]

I would say 20-30% of the player base TOPS is on reddit.

[@BasicPokemon]

New skills is osrs, pre 2012 we had new skills all the time. This idea we need to be locked at 2277 is just not in the spirit of the game. Being afraid of a skill being shit isnt an excuse, agility, rc, mining are all shit and theyre allowed to be in the game lol. If theres problems with sailing they can be addressed over time to a playable state.