I'm Learning Leverless Again (This Time Without Hurting My Hands) | Street Fighter 6

[@gamemasterbob9]

I got a leverless just for fun, but the day it came in the mail, my arcades stick broke. so i took it as fate that i need to learn leverless 😆

[@FhargaZ]

Nah, your leverless is EEeevil!!. Next it will be your gamepad, your mouse; it wants to be the only one in your house 😬

[@gamemasterbob9]

@@FhargaZ my keyboard has been mysteriously missing more keys every night

[@tingispingis]

​@@gamemasterbob9It'll take keys out of your keyboard every day until the only keys left are the same as the leverless

[@meleth2543]

@@gamemasterbob9 i been eating them

[@mms7328]

SAME THING HAPPENED TO ME safe to say levelers controllers are cursed to wanna be loved

[@SeriousYi]

i agree about dp being a lot harder on leverless but in sf6 specifically you don't need to do the whole input and can just tap forward twice while holding down or tap down twice while holding forward makes it very easy

[@MrBones105]

Blew my mind when I discovered this lol

[@katsu7626]

For me i just hold forward and tap down once and it comes out pretty easily

[@noboty4168]

Holding forward and down and double tapping up also works.

[@marcossantos1998]

holding foward, then tapping down once then punch does the job

[@david3de]

You've just changed my life

[@DNL_Clips]

“I hate to break it to you guys but I’m going to drive rush.” Man just loves turning green in the video game

[@CharlieKraken]

You're a leverless player because you want faster reaction times and more consistent inputs. I'm a leverless player because I can't afford a good fightstick and have to play on keyboard. We are not the same. (In all seriousness its cool to see you trying leverless! I learned fighting games on keyboard cause of money reasons as I said, but it turned out to just be a really good controller on its own that works well for me. Even if you don't stick with leverless I'm glad you're trying it out! God bless!)

[@marcossantos1998]

and we get to avoid the money sink that is using pads that break every odd month

[@vortaheadthebeast8072]

Idk if you’ll see this but I think it would be cool if you made a character tier list in sf6 based off of how difficult they are to play. I’ve seen a video on this topic but I think it would be more interesting and well informed from you considering you got all characters to master. Just a suggestion and I love the videos so my idea doesn’t have to happen cause the content is fine as is already

[@JoySparx]

Recommend “I Got Every SF6 Character to Master Rank and I Have Some Thoughts”. He goes over this in that video. Hope this helps!

[@vortaheadthebeast8072]

@@JoySparxafter watching the video it kinda had what I had in mind but not really. I was looking more for a in depth analysis on difficulty’s on characters on a low level and a high one. But it’s the closest thing I’ll get to what I had in mind since I doubt Sajam would have the time to do one of my ideas. Thanks for the video recommendation

[@steffanhymer1285]

He went and had this discussion on stream and chat went so feral on arguing who was better or worse and why everyone was wrong he said he probably won't post it to KZbin. he didn't want to see even more senseless arguing even when he was spelling out all of his logic and no one was listening.

[@vortaheadthebeast8072]

@@steffanhymer1285 is there a VOD for it? I typically don’t watch vods but I’m interested so if you have one I’d really appreciate it

[@steffanhymer1285]

@vortaheadthebeast8072 yeah if I remember correctly this took place on his Twitch stream on Monday. He started, did the tier list, and left for a meeting so it's a short vod.

[@SonicBoyster]

I never even considered using SOCD for my crouching quarter circles. I just learned how to roll them the hard way, over months of screwing them up.

[@Mene0]

24:09 she went into burnout in a total of 4 seconds. Impressive

[@EdmundHeng80]

Divekicks are really hard for me on leverless as a Cammy main. I struggle so much with it.

[@TheCrazyJuggaloJKB]

Master lever-less series in the making.

[@iJoltedJosh]

My Razer panthera Evo had a BSOD problem as well. The fix I did was uninstalling the panthera device drivers and reinstalling them.

[@zakk219]

It's always interesting watching people learn leverless and go through the same process I have over the last few years since switching. I hope your hands allow you to keep at least experimenting a bit with it. I've found that changing controllers sometimes helps me learn more about a game so I wonder if it will be the same with a person who plays at Sajam's level as opposed to a scrub like me.

[@takohma1056]

I recently got back into it as well. Starting to really like it. I was in the half way point to still using stick for some characters and leverless for others. But then I get things mixed up lol.

[@tiguilherman_plays]

nice to see you rocking the kitsune. that was the same reason why I skipped the OG hitbox plus the god awful ergonomics, zero wrist space and sharp edges. no idea how its sold as a premium product. surprisingly the kitsune manages to be easier on my joints than even my tailor made hori fighting edge arcade stick in which I've played 10+ hour sessions with very few pauses, which I thought no leverless could ever achieve. optical switches are the way to go forward. so snappy and with such little activation force/mechanical energy required. very happy with my purchase. congrats on yours aswell. good product.

[@6bgHateAccount]

for crouching buttons into quarter circles, the crouching button is already the first part of the input, so it just requires pressing a direction and releasing down. theres a lot of input things like this that are hard to visualize and execute when starting on leverless but become extremely easy with time

[@Inso_yuugen]

Well said, that's part of the difficulty of learning leverless. As precise as it can be, its so easy to do "incorrect" inputs that you don't understand how they happened. I still struggle with it for some inputs.

[@SupermanSajam]

That doesn’t apply to chained normals, which is what I’m doing. For that I’m just resetting to neutral and then doing the input

[@NukeEmRico]

I got a 3d printed leverless controller of Etsy when 6 came out and my biggest problem learning it besides remapping my brain was how close the buttons were. I couldn’t use it for more than 15 minutes before my hands and arms started killing me.

[@meh_cromancer]

Poorly designed leverless then

[@roncrudup2110]

@@meh_cromancerYeah. I just got a leverless a month ago. I am 6’2 and I can palm a basketball. No problem playing for a couple of hours. But I did get an expensive one cause I was worried about this.

[@35shadowthehedgehog]

28:40 - 29:12 THANK YOU! I thought I was going insane that I couldn't stand playing the game! Everybody else beating it around me and I am just like get this away from me. Just couldn't look past the gameplay. Edit: Talking about Witcher 3.

[@NoLifeLudas]

not related to this video, but important nonetheless. Thank you for the road to master series as well as your tutorial/guide style videos. I throw them on while I'm working or grinding ranked just to absorb as much information as possible. Much love

[@marcossantos1998]

One thing that makes me like keyboard better than leverless is the fact that the up button is big and shared between hands. I'd much rather have a button for my right thumb and one for my left. This gives me one more button I'm always hovering above.

[@cedricjocelyn6888]

I feel like when you’re trying a new thing or coming back to something you’re rusty at or haven’t touched in ages you assume that we all think you’re bad or dog at the game sajam and because of that you feel the need to explain to us why you’re in a specific situation or made a bad decision multiple times. It’s like you assume that we think you need to be good at everything all the time. Honestly 17:35 was not at all a bad throw, that was a scenario where anyone would have to guess in. Just letting you know, we understand and we by no means think you’re a bad player for it.

[@MG_Gambino]

I gotta make a day to watch this but a quick question. How is that leverless working out for you? Is it comfortable? I tried using the original hitbox and it kills my hands and wrists, especially because I like to relax my hands on the box a lot. I see that it's a little wider and longer and am wondering if that's helping you at all? If so I just might buy one of those.

[@gwen9939]

Leverless is great. Stick veterans tend to talk about its competitive advantages but say that it's way less fun, but I still think they're a lot of fun honestly. Schmooving feels good and once you get consistent with motions they feel really good as well. I just bought a cheap used qanba stick because I wanna learn stick for Tekken 8 - pressing up to move into the background just makes way more sense than hitting the jump button at the bottom of your controller, even if leverless is technically a more "cheap" controller for Tekken - and if I like it I want to look into the Cross-up setup that decouples up from the stick and puts it on a button. Having up as a button that I can access with my right hand is probably my favorite thing about playing leverless.

[@radfield6089]

for dps literally just press forward, tap down and then your strike button. bam super easy.

[@marcossantos1998]

this is it

[@lalo4087]

For DP you just hold forward and double down and de DP button or tap back and down I use the last one method for combos

[@h2_]

I'm happy to see Sajam visiting us leverless gang homies, but did he try plugging the bluescreen inducing stick into a brooks adapter first? It probably cant bluescreen you through that, can it?

[@lazzygnome4060]

I'm glad I'm not the only one whose brain stopped braining when I started playing leverless 😅. Ironically, the hardest thing to get my hands to do was jump. It required so much forethought, I often just stood still.

[@dogemans3951]

I know this is old, but something i think fgc players using leverless can borrow from piano players is rotating wrist when doing awkward middle to ring finger motions like 2p side dp and fb

[@Weebfox]

Didnt expect Sajam to be spitting facts about the Witcher 3 and the combat being not enjoyable here Straight facts though

[@Drawfill]

Easy DP motion on leveless, hold down and press foward foward+punch. Its SO much easier. CrossDP also becomes a half circle motion if you hold down.

[@Biggs117]

Same leverless I’ve got, I love that thing. Expensive as shit, but worth it.

[@darkwalker269]

Wait, I feel like he kind of glossed over that blue screen issue at the start. The hell kind of problem is that lol? I've never had an issue like that with my stick. I would look into that lol

[@ReOnion]

What hand do you guys use to jump on leverless? I personally play on a leverless-like setup on a keyboard but hands are more separated(asd=move numpad=attack) And I have jump on my Right hand/Attack hand. Mostly for up charge motions

[@DinosaurKing]

That's how I do it. Having jump on the movement hand makes doing inputs really hard lol

[@marcossantos1998]

having jump on the right hand helps it's a necessity in games where you need to syper/hyper jump like kof. Also, since you already separated the hands, consider experimenting mapping a button to your idle left thumb. I have parry mapped to it.

[@voidandnon-2530]

As an old man, I had the same issue with going from crouching to QCF. It feels strange, but After about 300 times, I got it down.

[@soramercury7074]

does anyone else have the issue, that this controller only works on steam when plugged in AFTER steam is already started? when i boot up the pc with the kitsune being connected, it doesn't even have the lighting on. so i guess, windows is just not detecting it right away, but why?

[@El-Burrito]

I love leverless, probably wouldn't play fighting games without one

[@magicalgirl1296]

/o/ Sending you my energy

[@jennyinutil2018]

Dee Jay doubles are filled with Babys

[@Ajani413]

interesting enough, i have been adapting to a leverless controller and getting back into sf6. i want to try to learn a charge character like deejay

[@JoeRahl]

Wow, your buttons are always so loud on the road to master videos that I thought you already played on leverless, lol.

[@muzanclub3781]

Keep it up! I feel like leverless is much less brutal on my hands and fingers but I started out PC gaming so that could be why. What I can't seem to do is raw 720s. There's a couple videos out there but I just can never replicate the results. I guess I'll just practice and adapt until then. Hope you can fix your BSOD issues cause that ain't right lol

[@JuicyLeek]

There’s probably 4 people in the world who can do raw 720s. Everyone seems to buffer them including Legend rank players

[@relentless4306]

I love how you put this out as I got my snackbox

[@Hemestal]

Im slowly learning it for fun. My GF gifted me a kitsune so I thought, well, I cant sell it so I might as well at least try to use it. Im a loooong time pad and stick player so the first time I hopped on that sucker it was a shock, nothing made sense in my brain, I went from a being proficient execution wise to being lucky if i managed to confirm a fb after a fp. So, every day after I come back from work I plug in the kitsune, lab for 30 mins repeating sh1t over and over and I go back to my trusty stick for the rest of my gaming sesion. I really didnt notice it, but in 2 weeks my execution got much better. Its still behind my execution with stick and I wouldnt dare playing high MR matches with it, but I feel like im at a point where I might hop on some of my diamond or Plat characters and actually do ok. I think this is harder for oldet guys like me that are in their 30,s that have their brains hardwired after decades on playing on the same types of devices, but practice solves everything I guess.

[@TriFF51]

Got my first leverless a few weaks ago. Idk if ill ever be comfortable doing double quarter circles or dp's from the right side of the screen.

[@hihihihihi7889]

It's so weird because I play guilty gear and sf6 with a leverless. I feel so comfortable playing either side in gg but when I start having to anti air in sf6 that dp input is rough. I think it just takes time though.

[@biggamallafluer2758]

I started off doing the motions slow and eventually I got there. Trying to do that from chained normals is still rough for me though.

[@jadedbreadncircus9159]

How'd you hurt your hand? I've seen people suggest you angle your fingers straight down, but my shit started hurting pretty quickly since that can twist your wrist bones depending on controller position. I messed around with angles & ended up having my palms facing about 45 degrees down toward my center. My fingers are fanned out kinda like making an ok sign, & my right ringers neutral point is between both rows of buttons. I haven't had any pain yet.

[@NoLifeLudas]

I feel like leverless would be easier for charge characters? just cause you don't have to reset to neutral between inputs. (Im totally guessing Im a plat controller player)

[@bakachild4475]

leverless!

[@kekker_]

The DP "shortcut" I use on leverless is [6]412 (hold forward, then half of a half circle forward). It's pretty quick, and I find it easier than a regular DP and a lot more intuitive then some of the other crazy SOCD shortcuts out there.

[@ControlShifty]

Honestly, [6]22 is easier for me to do especially with anti air DPs

[@CharlieKraken]

@@ControlShifty I do [6]22 or straight up 626 depending on the game as I find different games have their quirks regarding DP inputs as a keyboard player. [6]412 is definitely a shortcut I hadn't heard of before though but if it works well for oneself then great.

[@JoeRahl]

I like the shortcut where you hold down while hitting forward, forward+P. But I've been playing charge characters for 30+ yrs so holding down may just feel more natural to me, lol.

[@semi__colon]

least strange hitbox tech:

[@kekker_]

I'll have to give those other shortcuts a shot. To clarify how I found [6]412 in the first place: it's the same as a normal DP input (623), but you SOCD the 6 instead of releasing it. It looks weird in notation, but it feels very similar to a 623 input without having to worry about flubbing the neutral input. It works in every game regardless of how strict the input reader is.

[@americansongdog]

I heard that you coached wrestling, I'm looking to increase my one rep max for squat. Any tips?

[@Gleapgoogleplusisgone]

You want renaissance periodization, Bromley, or even Alan thrall. Sajams the fighting game guy.

[@bert6236]

Can someone explain why the game shows 0 frames of Delay and Rollback despite having a 35ms Ping? During the first few matches for example. Shouldn't the game have at least a frame or two of delay or rollback to compensate? Even against the Blanka, there's 59ms without delay or rollback

[@rafdes]

I have a hard time DPing on leverless too. Good thing neither of the characters I like are shotos.

[@heroicsquirrel3195]

I tried leverless but it irritates my left thumb joint that i damaged playing too much games on controller over the years, i went back to mixbox and no problems, mixbox is underrated imo, its so easy to use, i just need to make a custom one thats stylish and sleek

[@havenxochiquetzalli9478]

but how does an arcade stick blue screen a computer 😅

[@fitbuu1676]

hold forward tap down = dp super ez

[@abrittishpanfish6269]

19:24 my advice for this is to go back in time and grow up playing alot of pc games with wasd movement controls

[@calmguru1274]

More excuses for hour long sf6 vods please. Also thank you mister editor man for all your work and the funny thumbnails

[@timcox-rivers9351]

I'm surprised that someone with your skills on stick wouldnt just get a cross-up and have everything. But that might interfere with your learning of leverless I suppose.

[@sEaNoYeAh]

As a new player it's funny how some people can get elitist about motion inputs, but leverless is increasingly popular and effectively removes motion inputs, replacing movements with sequential button presses.

[@frankiep5751]

I got my MPRESS , best thing I've ever used

[@influx__]

I think there's a common misconception with leverless that you 'need' to use all these hitbox specific techniques to do well... no. It's just a controller you can play at the top level without doing any socd specific inputs.

[@ObeliskEye]

Always nice to see a stick user get humbled

[@hunterpie7965]

Your witcher take is kinda how I feel about new vegas tbh, I know people love that game but holy shit I hate the feel of that engine with every fiber of my being

[@Arassar]

It's really annoying how expensive these damn things are. Somehow, taking out a joystick and adding 4 buttons made them cost more.

[@richr161]

They're not expensive. They're expensive because sony locks down the consoles requiring specific authentication for controllers . Companies pass on the cost. I bought a flat box with 1 ms response time and raspberry pi open source micro-controller. The design is open source also. I paid $50 bucks for the flatbox controller. I play on pc so no lockdown. Literally a keyboard just with buttons optimized for fighting games.

[@Blustride]

⁠​⁠@@richr161the Drone 2 is $125 and is also licensed for PS5. The licensing cost isn’t what’s making retail leverless controllers cost $300.

[@1fareast14]

Aliexpress rp2040 options are like 50 bucks, I've seen some work on ps5. My 'haute42' works pretty well, better than the snack box micro I tried a while back

[@BeefiusGravius]

Unfortunately being really popular atm and precedent has made some really inaccessible, there are some community made options, like the Flatbox can be gotten pretty cheap if you look around enough, but i also understand if people are turn off by it being a 3D printed box.

[@UGXZ]

The Kitsune being 100 dollars less than the price of a digital PS5 is criminal

[@jarvisdotson7274]

I agree that the gameplay for Witcher 3 was terrible and I played it in spite of that cause everything else was so good. But I only stuck to the crit path and major sidequests

[@darkun01]

wish I was there in real time to support Sajam in shitting on The Witcher 3's combat...

[@Mene0]

I don't think I'd ever be able to play leverless, sounds so weird

[@proteincannon]

it's impressive sajam is still beating people at master rank when like 80% of his brain power is dedicated to controlling the character lol

[@scrungo8635]

He's been struggling for years.

[@nickwhitegames]

I lowkey hate Deejay cause my friend is so much better than me with him haha. He makes me feel like he’s got absolutely every tool available to him. I just gotta get better :(

[@martingutierrez2665]

Don't do it Sajam... buy a new computer. Keep the stick flame lit

[@intellectic9155]

Leverless is so much easier than stick. If you can't figure it out, you shouldn't be allowed to operate a motor vehicle unsupervised.

[@Choom89]

Cheatbox.

[@deaddreamdance]

All these comments about struggling with DP on leverless. Wasn't it common knowledge you just hold forward and do a reverse qcb? Not trying to be rude, just like, genuinely confused. I knew about it before I even got a hitbox. Cheating DP/EWGF motions was the first thing I knew it could do. Getting almost perfect 4-5 frame long input sequences was one of the reasons people thought it was banworthy, no?

[@Gleapgoogleplusisgone]

Yeah the witcher 3 was just absolutely awful to play. I forced myself to solve the witcher 2 because everyone swore it was a masterpiece and it sucked. Especially the gameplay. I just couldn't take it anymore after forcing myself to play 30 hours of the witcher 3. Cyberpunk was way better than all 3 Witcher games combined and cyberpunk was only okayish.

[@JagoShogun]

Unless you played witcher on harder or difficulty, learned the hidden tech, SHUT UP about witcher. All-the-same I'm sad you didn't enjoy it.