"You Wouldn't Believe In God Even If He Showed Himself!?" | The Atheist Experience: Throwback

[@timg7627]

“It is an absurdity to believe that the Deity has human passions, and one of the lowest of human passions, a restless appetite for applause” - David Hume

[@freakishuproar1168]

That's such a great quote. We all want recognition, even infants want to be noticed and made a fuss of. The idea that a being that's allegedly omnipotent, omnipresent and omnibenevolent needs or wants the attention from creatures as different from it as fathomably possible is just too ridiculous to believe.

[@JeffreyIsbell]

@@freakishuproar1168excellent!

[@sugartoothYT]

Exactly why that saying "a god worthy of my worship wouldn't need worship" exists.

[@TVeldhorst]

A God with an ego... the most human way to make Gods resemble themselves

[@deniss2623]

@@timg7627 Supreme Goodness SHOULD be applauded.

[@spinav8r]

Alonzo doesn't want to answer serious questions. He just says, "Hm, interesting."

[@infinite_array]

"Now let me get back to my script."

[@photonboy999]

@@infinite_array Happens a lot on this show. It must be frustrating, especially when they painstakingly setup a narrative and then the caller jumps right back to some point they want to make that completely IGNORES what the hosts just spent 5 minutes explaining didn't make sense.

[@JJ-qo7th]

Changing the subject is the closest to an admission that they're wrong that you will ever get out of an apologist.

[@shelliecarlson7015]

I don't think he's actually listening. Just waiting for the lull to say a filler to move to the next thing.

[@LoriRhodes-go3sk]

@@shelliecarlson7015 yes indeed and they ALL do that on this show

[@rantingpigeon]

Translation: “Why won’t you just accept things on face value like a toddler?!!” 😂

[@franciscosustek7249]

More convincing that this nutter's gawd....

[@cupguin]

Don't be rude about toddlers. I was still a baby when someone tried to tell me about the empty tomb and I was supremely unconvinced. Even just using the facts they provided I came up with multiple credible non supernatural explanations.

[@DJ-JIGGY876]

😂😂😂😂

[@Circuitssmith]

“Even if he showed himself” is begging the question. It assumes that a god exists, that he is male, and that he wants anything to do with one member of one species on one tiny ball of rock in an unfathomably vast universe.

[@deenman23]

''him'' is a descriptor,its how language works you mental freak,ofc no1 is saying God has a gender,he/it doesnt duh,stop injecting your mental illness in to EVERYTHING,and stay away frfom kids you weirdo

[@brettstarks1846]

Indeed, religion is just self-important narcissism on steroids.

[@capthavic]

It also assumes that we could tell the difference between an actual God and aliens or literally any other explanation that we have no way to falsify.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

​@@deenman23 So much ANGER. Has anyone ever spoken to you about the one objectively TRUE God Achamàn and how you can be renewed in this life and the next if you embrace Achamàn as your only lord and savior?? 🤣

[@Byorin]

👍 for begging the question right.

[@lukewojtanowicz1991]

Any God who would demand the worship and adoration of his creation, cannot possibly be all that worshipful, or for that matter, all that adorable. And if God exists, and existing he sends me to hell because of his own failure to demonstrate his existence, then that pretty much just proves my point, doesn't it? He can damn me if he wants to, but the moral high ground remains mine.😊

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

Gawd the Narcissist

[@joshsheridan9511]

​@-D-I-V-A-I'm so scared I'm shaking Oh wait that's shaking with laughter at your dumb threat.

[@Seticzech-cz]

@-D-I-V-A- You god is fictional, deal with it.

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@-D-I-V-A- Projecting your own fears onto others doesn't prove anything

[@EliasDecker-e1c]

Won't change the fact you'll be in hell. If I found god was real I'd just make my case for why I don't deserve that. But I would not be nonchalant about eternal torment lol

[@petyrkowalski9887]

I saw a magician in Las Vegas disappear an elephant live. He must be god.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

The elephant? 😂

[@petyrkowalski9887]

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 both

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

@@petyrkowalski9887 It would actually be cool if God was an elephant

[@brucebaker810]

Producing an elephant requires 1 god or 2 elephants. Disappearing an extant elephant could still be below deity-level pay grade.

[@brucebaker810]

Sentient raccoon with a Disruptor pistol, for instance.

[@cgfamorcan9809]

As Forrest Valakai said: " If that God showed up, I will be an Anti-Theist because that God IS A MONSTER! 👿👎"

[@Atreyu-81]

That god is a monster according to your interpretations of crime, punishment, and the nature of reality in that time

[@TheistsTapOut]

​@user-u9g8mIt's tribalism. Especially the conservative Christian nationalists. They don't think the Haitian immigrants are their neighbors, even though they came legally. So they are willing to believe their dear leader when he says on national TV that "they" are eating the dogs. They don't think their trans or gay neighbor is their neighbor. Nor that minority. Nor that fast food worker or the gardener. Nor their next door neighbor with the Harris sign.

[@cgfamorcan9809]

@@hlndoo himself

[@Beacon80]

​@@hlndooBy his lungs

[@cgfamorcan9809]

@@hlndoo yes he does. That's how free will work.

[@t800fantasm2]

What if the God that "showed himself" was Odin? Would Christians believe him?

[@FlashRayLaser]

Would they SAY they would? No. They would say nothing could change their mind. But I imagine if Odin actually rocked up on us, both Christians and atheists would have a hard time not believing in Odin and Christians would suddenly understand the sort of evidence we always expected.

[@odinson6348]

I support this question.

[@FlashRayLaser]

@@odinson6348 Oh my God; we summoned Odin's son! Please don't tell me some sort of trinity business is next.

[@t800fantasm2]

@@FlashRayLaser "sort of evidence we always expected." Agreed....

[@alucard2010]

Nope. It would be a trick by Satan

[@TheKosmikid]

This caller wasn’t interested in having a conversation. Only wanted to read from his script.

[@freakishuproar1168]

Where did you get that impression? I certainly disagreed with a lot of what they said, being an atheist n' all, but the caller seemed fairly keen to explain his beliefs and ideas - more so than most of theists calling into the show often do ;3

[@brandongoss6971]

​@freakishuproar1168 what question did he answer? It seemed like once they answered his question he just moved on to another line of questions

[@welchsjuice44]

​@@brandongoss6971 Exactly

[@TheKosmikid]

@@brandongoss6971 my thoughts as well.

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@freakishuproar1168 Keen to explain but not so keen to answer hard questions. Even with an "I don't know"

[@nightwalkerj]

This was a good call. I like how everybody was keeping a level head and just having a conversation.

[@bodricthered]

Boy he reeeeaaallllly didn't want to answer anybody else's questions did he....

[@powbobs]

Right…..so…

[@Not_An_EV]

19:22 THIS! I had a friend who was an alcoholic. Once his problem started to affect his life in major ways, he knew he had to do something about it. He joined a local group and went to the meetings, got himself a therapist, and started attending therapy. , changed his diet joined the gym all of it. Things were going great. Well, it turns out surprise surprise that the alcoholic group is Christian owned and run. He came away from the group 2 years later thanking jesus and God for his recovery and one day I'd had enough so when he thanked god I said "god didn't do shit bro you did and it pisses me off that you put in all this hard work and effort to turn your life around and you can't see the awesome person that we can. You're so set in self-doubt that you don't think for one second that any of this could be thanks to yourself. I wish you could be as proud of yourself as I am of you, and I wish even more than you can find the self-worth I know you should have instead of attributing everything to some sky dictator" we stopped being friends that day and while I miss him... I just hope he's finally seen that everything that happened to him was as a result of himself and not some ancient dead dudes imaginary friend.

[@wwlib5390]

@Not_An_EV You could be the one who is very wrong about your friend. There's always two sides to every story - he just may know something you don't yet. I wish you well.

[@Not_An_EV]

@@wwlib5390 Nah, I just know something you don't. God didn't have shit to do with him dragging himself up from his absolute worst and for you who has never met him to say that he is so weak that he needed a literal dictator to help him because he was incapable of doing it himself is fucking disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. Be better. Do better. I wish you nothing but the worst that you clearly deserve.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@Not_An_EV wwLib is proven liar here so we know who knows something and who is lying about knowing something.

[@Tuna_Man2323]

Sometimes, they are replacing one addiction for another. Any chance of reaching out with an olive branch? He needs more friends like you. And it saddens me to think of another friendship ended because of religion. I've found that it is better not to discuss religion with family and friends. You cannot reason someone out of what they did not reason themselves into.

[@Not_An_EV]

@@Tuna_Man2323 yeah I tried reaching out a few years as I love him dearly and knowing that our relationship ended because of religion hurts but at the same time I did try reaching out and his new wife who was raised in a cult (jw) told him I was of the devil and despite the fact that we literally grew up together he took her side. He's since fallen into the cult. I saw him a few years ago and I barely recognised him. It wasn't until he said hey that I realised who he was. Then his wife came out of the shop and ruined it. If you're out there Danny I fucking miss you man! Leave the cult you can do better.

[@joshsheridan9511]

If a god revealed itself to me and met my standard for evidence of course I'd believe. But i wouldn't worship it.

[@oldedwardian1778]

@@joshsheridan9511 AGREED 100%. Gods must EARN our respect, just as they DEMAND OBEDIENCE from us.

[@Woreyel]

Which is why you would be no closer to Heaven than Satan is.

[@joshsheridan9511]

@@Woreyel so what?

[@Woreyel]

@@joshsheridan9511 believing in God is not the issue, Your sin is the issue, that's what. It doesn't matter if you reject that sin exists, because it is evident from your professed 'atheism'

[@joshsheridan9511]

@@Woreyel is that supposed to be an answer to my question?

[@MrtovalNYC]

I love it when you shake the world out of people with just the perfect questions. Love it.

[@TimelyAbyss]

He ran the second the real questions started.

[@khartog01]

If a god showed up in front of me, I would hope it was Venus.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Yeah not Penis

[@JJ-qo7th]

I wouldn't mind talking to Hades. Like, hey man, you doing okay? You need someone to talk to? I'm pretty introverted, but even I get lonely sometimes.

[@khartog01]

@@JJ-qo7th he has his job to do but yeah I bet he wouldn't mind someone to talk to you.

[@jpstardom3375]

I prefer aphrodite. She had temples filled with sexy priestesses. And you can do it with them... for an appropriate offering. Bad decision on our ancestors' part

[@papaver5]

I like this thread. Thumbs up for all.

[@gliblyaware]

David Blaine floats off the ground. Jesus has returned!!!

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

You wouldn't believe in Zorg even if he showed himself. That's why Zorg remains hidden. Zorg values belief via faith rather than evidence. 😂

[@ChrisFerguson-zm4gt]

Im kinda bored with yahweh, he never answers my prayers....almost like hes not there. Tell me more about zorg

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

@@ChrisFerguson-zm4gt I made Zorg up, he can be whatever you want him to be.

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

I've sacrificed the best sausages in Ankh-Morpork to The Great Offler, in the hope you will abandon your false god😉

[@ChrisFerguson-zm4gt]

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 oh u just destroyed my hope.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

@@ChrisFerguson-zm4gt Don't let the truth destroy you hope

[@brucewilliams4152]

comes down, comes down from where, we are in the vacuum of space there is no up or down

[@johnholland9371]

From Heaven, duh

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@johnholland9371 So this Heaven is the opposite of a gravity well?

[@brianjohnston3707]

Funny that you nit picked on the up / down in space' yet you use the fallacy of vacuum of space, 🤔

[@johnholland9371]

@@brianjohnston3707 yeah, how could Jesus live in a vacuum?! Checkmate globalists!

[@chrisgrill6302]

Er... we live on a planet with gravity and there most definitely is a "down" and the opposite direction is "up" all the way as far as you can go at least until overpowered by some other gravity well. Your statement is quite bizarre.

[@sg40011]

Listening to Alonzo's brain break just reminded me of watching Ralph Wigun's heart break. Bart, rewind.

[@robertcoane9167]

I had hip replacement some years ago and with some shots of morphine, I had the most amazing hallucinations - without Devine intervention.

[@svenrichtmann6792]

And you admit this?!?

[@t800fantasm2]

@@svenrichtmann6792 "And you admit this?!?" Why would he not? I've seen some pretty amazing things when I delirious with fever... Did some acid back in the day... Saw all sorts of very vivid things that weren't real... Many early religions were probably founded based on eating improperly stored damp grain with the natural form of LSD coming from the Ergot fungus that forms on damp grain...

[@tonyclements1147]

@@t800fantasm2 Wasn’t that one of the reasons why the Salem witch trials happened, I thought I read that somewhere a long time ago.

[@t800fantasm2]

@@tonyclements1147 "why the Salem witch trials happened" I'm not sure... I'd have to look it up again...

[@Seticzech-cz]

@@tonyclements1147 It's was ergot. Ergot grows on grain that is used to make bread. This could then cause hallucinations.

[@jpstardom3375]

Christians just dont get it. Belief ≠ worship If you can present evidence of god's existence, sure, i can believe in god. But i wont worship god. Once again, For christians that dont get it, BELIEF ≠ WORSHIP

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

I couldn't worship yhwh if he were prived to be real

[@joels5150]

Christians just assume that an entity like what they believe God to be is so awesome and amazing that, gosh, wouldn’t we all just spontaneously drop to our knees and worship it? No.

[@Woreyel]

I fully get it. Satan in hell is more of a theist than I am but he is in eternal damnation.

[@jpstardom3375]

@@Woreyel exactly, god is pissed, He gave lucy freewill so lucy used it. Humans got freewill, humans used it. This infantile god seems to be mad because we used our freewill to not kiss his ass.

[@Woreyel]

@@jpstardom3375 God is rightfully angry. Imagine someone giving you everything you have and know and you don't even acknowledge their existence, God isn't just angry for that. He is angry because of your rebellion. You have placed your own self worth above God's!

[@richardowens9061]

If there is a "God" (whatever that is), he knows I don't care whether he exists and that I don't want or need a relationship with him - so, he is just leaving me alone.

[@GODiscomingsoonagain]

Oh yes exactly HE know you before you even born who you are and wat you think.the realty is that care or not care u need to stand judgement day and receive salvation or damnation.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Yeah God knows to not bother me, so he's just being polite by not revealing himself to me.

[@richardowens9061]

@@GODiscomingsoonagain You are so lost in delusion that you no longer have the ability to discern between what is real and what is not real.

[@deniss2623]

@crazyprayingmantis5596 If God has left you to your own devices, that should worry you.

[@richardowens9061]

@@deniss2623 Why should anyone worry about God? I thought he loved us.

[@richardowens9061]

The supernatural is impossible to exist, and here's why: In the instant that the supernatural were to exist, it would become natural for it to exist, rendering it no longer supernatural. Calling something "supernatural" is tantamount to throwing your arms up and saying, "I have no idea what it is or was and I am either unable or unwilling to try to figure it out."

[@kmurphy0620]

I've heard others say it should be call unknown or undiscovered instead

[@Goldenhawk583]

If it is called supernatural because we cant explain it ( yet), then it doesnt exist? I would disagree, it can exist even if we have not understood how it works yet. Once we DO understand it, it would no longer be " super", just natural. Once it was impossible, completely dismissed and incomprehensible that we could fly.. now we fly.

[@drrickmarshall1191]

I don't think that's necessarily true. The undetectable is the undetectable, you'd have to demonstrate that that undetectability is non-existent. I don't see a way to do this, not to say it exists, I just feel it would be more accurate to suggest we have no reason to believe so.

[@nealjroberts4050]

As an agnostic pantheist I agree there is nothing supernatural merely unknown natural. I could possibly be persuaded in "alternatural" but that wouldn't be supernatural how so many other theists use it.

[@Krawnbundungle]

How would I confirm that it was god? And not a hallucination, hologram, etc?

[@yacaattwood2421]

I would expect the appearance of a God to be somewhat similar to the scene in ‘Man of Steel’ when General Zod and the other Kryptonians appeared, looking for Kal-El ( Superman) - a clear, unambiguous message transmitted on all the communications devices of Earth, understandable in every language, and then a physical appearance, apparent to all the inhabitants of Earth simultaneously. Or at least some warp-capable ships and serious military hardware

[@amy747flyer]

2:52 there are several people at any given time around the world, claiming to be the resurrected Jesus. How would you truly know ?

[@cardinalenergy21]

calls like this always makes me think of the movie stargate

[@ARoll925]

Charles Manson and David Karesh both claimed to be Jesus, should we believe them based on their say so, Alonzo?

[@Gwaithmir]

13:00 “If you talk to God, you are praying. If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia.” (Thomas Szasz)

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

I think that 'gawd' would know what would convince me.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

I agree. Funny how they fail

[@margretrosenberg420]

Yes. I have an inner voice who doesn't manifest often, but when she does she's always right. I think of her as the part of myself who actually has a clue. And I agree; it would be a pity to take credit from that part of myself and give it to some other being, whether real or imaginary. I think at least part of the god belief stems from a desire not to be alone in our own heads. It's a tremendous breakthrough when you realize you can actually love and respect yourself.

[@archaichobo6969]

This is one of the best calls.

[@stevefowler5970]

if god exposed himself, wouldn't he be kind of a pervert?

[@jiubboatman9352]

Well the bible says he made man in his own image so he definitely has a ding-a-ling.

[@AquaPeet]

A personal revelation in a bathroom stall? A personal revelation in the park from behind a tree? LOL

[@AXKfUN9m]

God likes to just watch most of the time, really.

[@drrickmarshall1191]

God s'd my d in a Milwaukee truck stop in '98

[@GODiscomingsoonagain]

His glory will instant kill sinfull people we can't stand in his glory.if HE expose him self.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

Attention Xtians: Your Jesus LIED to you. Matthew 16:28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” . LOLZ

[@mchevre]

@sanjeevgig8918 lol I mean, how do we know that “see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom” isn’t a metaphor for… well.. something else ;) After all, Jesus did spend A LOT of time with those male “apostles” of his

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

​​@@mchevre NOT that there's anything wrong that!! As long as everyone present are contenting adults, boundaries are respected, and you bring your own loincloth/towel and beverages🤣🤣

[@powbobs]

Jesus was a false prophet.

[@robertjackson1813]

His argument reminds me of an observation I made when I watched xmen age of apocalypse. When the rebelling guys try to assainate apocalypse they yelled " death to the false god!". I was thinking ,what's his frame of reference?

[@CGB_Crash]

Star Trek episode "Devil's Due" is essentially a proof of concept for the hosts' main point, that the average person would have *zero* way to tell the difference between an actual diety and an elaborate deception.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

Absolutely LOVE that episode! The depiction of the Klingon demon is exceptional😉

[@CGB_Crash]

​@@albaniahenry-franklin2829"You are *NOT* Fek'lhr!"

[@gordoncamacho8649]

The scary thing is if a being like Q appeared as a God-like figure or Jesus, and told everyone "Hey I really did mean all that [sick sht] in the Bible, get to it or else" there would be people who believed it and would stone people to death, enslave, sell their children, burn mixed fabric clothes, kill women for being graped, etc. And no amount of reason or science would convince them otherwise

[@MisterG2323]

Alonzo got asked a question that made him look down and realize he wasn't wearing any pants. Small wonder he said a quick goodbye. 😁

[@Dogpool]

I highly recommend the David eagleman podcast. He did an episode about study’s on this internal dialog. People have a kind of time dilation and there internal dialog gets disconnected making it feel like it’s from an external source. In a similar way a person with this condition can have there arm make movements that seem was given a command to do so by some other source.

[@tpseeker3367]

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[@asdusty4372]

If god showed up I would accept he exists but I wouldn't worship him. He is a moral monster and I won't sacrifice my morals for such a creature.

[@kelseykjarsgaard5774]

Really you just accept hell?

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@kelseykjarsgaard5774 You would choose to worship an evil and immoral monster? Really?

[@JJ-qo7th]

@@kelseykjarsgaard5774 Really, that's your best argument?

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

It would all depenp on what version of a god/gods shower up, I'm every iffy about worshipping anything.

[@asdusty4372]

@@kelseykjarsgaard5774 Hell doesn't exist.

[@rickhenderson8002]

Just because someone says that they are a deity they would still have to prove that they were and that they would deserve to be worshipped I wouldn't just take their word for it!!!😊

[@sanjeevgig8918]

"Born Again" means I-got-DUMBER and now believe in an Invisible Sky Daddy in another dimension who can do MAGIC. . LOLZ

[@highwaydaytime7669]

Those guys on the subway always seem pretty legit when they say they're Jesus but im never convinced

[@amtlpaul]

It does raise the question of how one would know that it was God showing up

[@svenrichtmann6792]

The creator of the universe talks to this caller directly. He didn’t talk directly to the supposed mother of his earthly self. What an incredibly privileged or delusional person he must be.

[@brianjohnston3707]

Hmm interesting 😂

[@jeoffwalden4492]

God has never spoken to anyone. It's all in the mind

[@reefhog]

@@jeoffwalden4492No god was mentioned.

[@nealjroberts4050]

So many things claimed to be supernatural have just turned out to be misunderstood and/or unknown natural that it's more likely that anything claimed to be supernatural is just misunderstood and/or unknown natural. Even "alter natural" would just be natural by other "rules" and thus be scientifically testable and explicable.

[@Atreyu-81]

That's just because within theism and atheism you have different degrees of IQ levels because they're just people. Just like when we see some species of animals freak out on their own reflections where other animals seem to recognize their own reflections. Intelligence levels are a real thing within different people. even though their worth or value isn't measured by intelligence per se. You have smart atheists and dumb atheists. Smart theists and dumb theists. So a more intelligent theist is going to consider all the angles and possibilities before drawing the conclusion that something paranormal or supernatural is occurring. It isn't, "oh, I'm a theist now, I believe everything that goes bump in the night is a ghost of some kind!".

[@amtlpaul]

​@Thistuffgetnucknfutz Well, that made no sense. Not even particularly effective as an attempt at insulting people- too convoluted.

[@vertigo4236]

@@Atreyu-81 How do we know that something is natural or supernatural. We can only test for the natural, so if something tests as natural, it is natural. If we can't test it, there are two possibilities: Something natural, we can't test for or Something supernatural, we can never test for. Both of them, would look identical to us. So we can only know that something is natural, if we have evidence for it. If we don't have evidence, it can be either natural or supernatural. We have no evidence for anything supernatural. You my guy are a theist of low intelligence, if you take positions, you can't know.😂

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@amtlpaul I think they realised their regular insults were even less effective. Now they're throwing spaghetti at the wall 🤣

[@Atreyu-81]

​@@vertigo4236I find myself having to explain word meanings to you people, more than anything. The old dictionaries defined "supernatural" as "phenomena known to occur which does not yet have any scientific explanation" or they would use words such as "beyond current scientific understanding". We know the newer online dictionaries have slightly changed the wording. Yet, we know the definitions are true, but that they lead less clever people to believe we WILL NEVER have that scientific understanding. It doesn't say that, it just says "beyond scientific explanation or understanding". For a clue to this we can look at how Oxford chose to define the word "paranormal". "denoting events or phenomena such as telekinesis or clairvoyance that are beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding". Paranormal is synonymous with supernatural. If you don't have a normal scientific understanding then something would need to change in your understanding of the science and that wouldn't be usual or normally understood. You would change the scientific paradigm. Science fiction becomes science fact. If you told people a few hundred years ago that we would have the world at our finger tips and be able to talk to anyone all over the world, they would have thought you were crazy. Especially if they were an atheist. It would have sounded mystical and magical to them. Likewise, science will not be halted or stopped because of the biases of atheists or theists within science.

[@alanmacification]

Amateur apologists have been looking for some unfalsifiable argument that proves God for decades. Now they think they can come up with the unavoidable question. I would simply challenge the being to get lost. Which, of course, would be impossible for an omniscient being. So it would have to deny being omniscient or admit to not being omnipotent or omnipresent. Therefore: not a god.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

I remember that episode of the 1980s "Twilight Zone"!! That story and "The Shadow Man" are two of my fondest😁

[@dom11949]

ask him again to answer even one question.

[@richardowens9061]

Assuming, for a moment, that there is such a thing as a "God" (whatever that is) who created the Universe, the arrogance of thinking that we mere humans might ever be able to know anything about him or have a relationship with him or influence him through prayers is just over the top. And, that does not even address whether such a being might want to have a relationship with us or what purpose such a relationship might serve.

[@Beacon80]

It really depends on how he shows himself.

[@jd190d]

It's like the movie "Nefarious" There is a person in jail who says he is a demon, is talking to an atheist amongst others and talks about why the demons are here. People have talked about his demonic nature and the proof in his words. I say it's just a crazy person or a liar who wants to portray himself as such, but making aspersions to your "demonic nature" without providing objective evidence is meaningless. The part I always find normal and still shocking is how many people cannot really understand the difference between types of evidence and how to check the validity.

[@Wix_Mitwirth]

Ask a person why god doesn't know anything they don't know, and why it agrees with them so often, and why things they decide not to do like spend unnecessary money on treats or hurting people, rarely lead to disappointment or dissatisfaction. It's because god is them.

[@ChrisFerguson-zm4gt]

7:17 interesting interesting.....so interesting he immediately changed the subject....hahahaha

[@joels5150]

Yeah, Alonzo was just trying to get the hosts to accept his “argument from ignorance” fallacy. Not immediately understanding how something is accomplished or the underlying function is no reason to just assume, “must be a God/supernatural”.

[@chriskwakernaat2328]

If a humanoid appears in front of me out of thin air , my first question would be.. Where did you park your space ship. Not , Are you god?

[@ronitsrivastava377]

He doesn't have to think about it if he has reached the conclusion correctly.

[@ctwentysevenj6531]

It is more likely Mr. Magoo would come down from the sky to reveal himself🤣🤣

[@josephbelisle5792]

Alonzo, its me, jesus. I just descended from heaven. Under his criteria, I am jesus. Wow.

[@Mr_Porter]

Somewhat unrelated, but the thumbnail genuinely made me laugh out loud.

[@riffhammeron]

The being wouldn't even have to have the power to do those things, only the ability to make me believe that they did.

[@recoverfromreligion]

This is why higher education NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE! The planet cant take the idiots anymore.

[@nealjroberts4050]

These Throwbacks remind us that so many of my fellow theists haven't learned the burden of proof and what evidence is.

[@Atreyu-81]

Your mouth can say you're a theist. Your little peanut can operate your mouth and make it claim you're a little girl too. However, what you actually say and do in reality show that you're godless as an atheist

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

Apot was intellectually marooned On an island he thought was "fine tuned" And he flew into a total panic When he realised benzene is organic Because his education was aggressively pruned!

[@tonyclements1147]

aPot still thinking he knows everyone based on a few comments a day. 🙄

[@Atreyu-81]

@@tonyclements1147 The are certain things you don't have to know about people based on their program

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

​@@Atreyu-81poor, sad, little Nathan. Remind everyone again why you went to jail...

[@vidfreak56]

People can have multiple inner voices. And they can range from nice to hostile. This is all natural and not a result of a god.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

All praises to Viracocha, Abira, Agudar, Begochiddy, Chiminigagua, Unkulunkulu, Marduk, Dagon, Ahura Mazda, Ometeotl, Njambe, Mireuk, Izanagi-no-Mikoto, Shangdi, Yahweh/Jehovah/Elohim/Adonai/Hashem/Allah, Olelbis, Asherah, Mwari, Tengri, Ba'al, Enki, Brahma, Obassi, and all the other deities from civilizations past and present that EVIDENTLY did not, do not, and never will exist! Praise those Gods for atheism. rAmen😁

[@suffist]

But, but, I was told my god is real. Waaaahhh! Waaaaaah! Even though they never proved it, even though I can't prove it. You just have to believe, you just have to have faith. I don't understand why you atheists can't just have faith? If you had faith, then all of those gods would be real.

[@emordnilaps]

I liked your "knowledge threshold" take on Clarke's famous maxim. For instance, I can't understand how light can propagate at the same speed for all observers, even given the experimental proofs.

[@TheTom5150]

It seems if you have a presupposition regarding your thoughts on a god, then when you hear a voice in your head, you’re going to affix a different tonality to that voice if you’ve subconsciously determined that it was a god. You’re still creating the dialogue though yourself. It’s almost as if it’s a form of internal psychological question begging

[@tiltingwindmill]

Funny that. I've understood my inner dialog since I was a young child. I still can't understand how people think that their god is taking time out of their impressive all encompassing duties to talk specifically to them. The narcissism it takes.... Smdh.

[@nealjroberts4050]

As someone who doesn't really have an internal monologue I find the whole inner voice thing weird sometimes.

[@tiltingwindmill]

@@nealjroberts4050 I guess I've heard of that, but the idea is entirely foreign to me. I can't imagine ~not~ talking to myself. As an only child, left alone a lot as a kid, to having lived by myself now for almost the past 15 years... I just can't imagine not thinking things through and hearing myself talk to myself inside my head. The dialog is constant. (But it's never been a supposed {and presumably awfully busy} god.)

[@nealjroberts4050]

@@tiltingwindmill I can sort of talk to myself. When I'm preparing something to say I can add a voice to it. When I read speech I can add voices to the conversation. When I recall conversations or music I can recall the voices or even change them. I can even set up arguments in my head to puzzle things out if needed. I just don't have some constant narration in my head or a voice to my general thoughts.

[@tiltingwindmill]

@@nealjroberts4050 that's just so fascinating to me. To be more clear, I'm not just creating a narration to life... It's most typically thinking things through more fully or carefully, puzzles, argumentation, etc., much like what you described. It's not like I'm walking through the store saying "right foot now, left foot next, right foot then". But, I will think about what I need to purchase next, what's the best order to go through the store to save steps, and so on. And that does run through my head in words, similar to deciding which words to use next in this post. For example.

[@AaronWallace-qj8jo]

16 minutes 50 second's in he developed a stutter when he wouldn't answer the question

[@robertcoane9167]

A skeptic believer in any religion is an oxymoron.

[@mobilegamersunite]

Great throwback 👌

[@annaschofield]

Lets assume god exists- do you believe god exists? What a silly question!

[@jackalope22222]

If hommie hears a voice in his head that isn't his he needs to see a doctor.

[@candykit5382]

Wait the mirror thing! I want to know!

[@uno4606]

Reality has an identity

[@Verulyrus]

I mean this is a nice break from the average caller that gets angry and then starts yelling transphobic/homophobic stuff.

[@bitofwizdomb7266]

Sathya Sai baba did “miracles “ in modern time 🤷🏻‍♂️ millions of people watched him do unbelievable things . Yet no non-followers give a rip bc we don’t believe the claims

[@williamwatson4354]

Its always what if this happened would you believe? The answer is, let's see it happen and then I'll believe.

[@dom11949]

re: the goats. he has localized time machine and has run it backwards. or he took a film of dismembering goats and is running the film in reverse

[@ChrisFerguson-zm4gt]

17:12 what a weasel

[@tallenpelegrin7026]

I'd believe that something is showing itself. It may say that it's "God" but how will I be able to distinguish a "God" from some other possible creature that could well be much superior to me/ humans. And whatever kind of superior creature or entity it may be, how could it be certain that it would be all good and thus worthy of my respect and admiration? So yes, perhaps at least I wouldn't automatically worship some superior thing presenting itself as "God", simply because anything that's clearly superior to humans could present itself to us as being God or a God, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is God nor that it would be worthy of worship. And furthermore, some powerful, convincing or persuasive creature could have a way of manipulating me or us humans in order to convince us that it is God, but that still doesn't mean that it necessarily is God or a God. I can only hope that I'd have that power not to be convinced of something that I wouldn't have justifiable reason to be convinced of.

[@cesariglesias297]

Asgardians technology will look like magic, the same way us flying in some aluminium chair to other continents by plane to any human born 2024 years ago

[@BertTurbaville]

The whole inner dialogue point Alonzo tries to make, I would counter his assertion about him hearing a "different voice" in his head with someone such as Mel Blanc. He was capable of many many voices, which all sounded different, but the SOURCE was the same. It wasn't a talking rabbit, or a talking duck, or a hydrocephalic hunter with a speech impediment, it was always Mel Blanc. If you hear a voice in your head, you don't immediately assume it's from outside of you; not until that is demonstrated.

[@matthewwakeman5047]

I despise chirpy, chatty believers even more than I hate angry fundamentalists.

[@nealjroberts4050]

They generally start as chirpy chatty until you show they're wrong or point out they can't prove themselves right.

[@TheCheapPhilosophy]

"There are two kinds of gods"... Oh, yes: The ones that we know by human books , preachers, oracles, priests, and apologists, and the empty group of gods that can do their own PR.

[@MachielSchrijver]

Great caller, he is almost there 😅

[@JACKTOTTER]

I can prove jesus exists, he mows my lawn every week, and he has an id.

[@ianjonas7380]

People can see things that aren't there just from being dehydrated never mind ingesting natural substances that can cause hallucinations. One of my thoughts is that Paul had his vision of Jesus through one of these mechanisms.

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

Jordy Peterson thinks shrooms are supernatural

[@andrewmcmillan6972]

He legit sounds so stupid

[@odinson6348]

And that you need supernatural intervention to quit smoking.

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

@@odinson6348 Exactly

[@Zero-0-Cypher]

What they are saying is if someone came down from the sky like superman, you actually saw him come float down... Would you believe that's a god... That's the demonstration,the act of flying, floating, whatever down.

[@markcoleman1011]

Is there Consistency in the way God speaks/communicates to All people in the world, sounds like the caller is experiencing something only he Understands as God.

[@brucee6524]

Why would I believe that inner voice is God and not simply my normal everyday inner voice that obviously comes from my private thought processes? Because I suffer from main character syndrome and love to think I'm important enough to garner the undivided attention of a being as great and powerful and important as God Almighty. Why would I believe that God wants, maybe even needs, my praise? Because I want and need praise and I don't want to think of that as vanity but rather a reflection of a being as great and powerful and important as God Almighty.

[@ApatheticFish3667]

Correct, because there's 2 things it could be: 1: God 2: A hallucination And only one of those exists.

[@zap...]

Be skeptical, not gullible.

[@dimitrioskalfakis]

what a ridiculous pile of assumptions, ifs and lets!

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

You heard god's voice in your head? There's a reason why "it's all in your head" is a synonym for "it's not real."

[@ericmishima]

Allons-y, Alonzo! Sorry

[@brucebaker810]

If which deity showed up? Oh...yours? What if a "yup, sure looks like god powers there" showed up...and it had an elephant head and 4 arms?

[@Leith_Crowther]

A god showing itself or theirself is not sufficient evidence to believe in the existence of a god. 🤷‍♂️

[@brianmonks8657]

The problem is how do you know they are a god? Because they say so and do tricks you can't explain? The actual situation you posited was: Something claiming to be a god showing itself or theirself is not sufficient evidence to believe in the existence of a god.

[@Leith_Crowther]

@@brianmonks8657Sounds like we’re basically on the same side, you just don’t like that my language mirrored the video title. Fair enough.

[@qwadratix]

Well, we'll never know will we?

[@sephiroth8517]

Im sick of logic. All gods exist we cant just cant tell because they are all canceling eachothers powers out. How do i know this you ask. Well you see its because.. SQUIRREL!!

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

HILARIOUS🤣🤣🤣

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

That sounds reasonable. All praise be to SQUIRREL!

[@nealjroberts4050]

I'm reminded of when I saw a squirrel essentially commit suicide by jumping when scared by a lorry. If it had stayed still the lorry would have passed over it safely. But it jumped and got hit in the head by the bumper. 🤢😢

[@kenlapham]

Why Do they always say "he "COMES DOWN"? Isn't it more likely that a supernatural entity would exist in a separate plane altogether?

[@Atreyu-81]

It means down to our dimensions. There are several places where a spirit is said to have entered through the material world in some way

[@tonyclements1147]

Funny how an “all knowing” deity needs to come down and see what his creation is up to.

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

Theist: God is spaceless Theist: _"... down to our dimension [from a higher dimension]."_ ☝️ If dimensions exist, it cannot be "spaceless". Yet more illogicality.

[@TheistsTapOut]

It's because the stories were written before humans were able to know what's up in the skies. So they believed that their god lives in the sky. The heavens were in the sky. There was a dome, a firmament above our earth, which was where the water that was used for creation are stored. The Bible isn't the only story where the gods live up high in the sky.

[@Atreyu-81]

​@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2I didn't say spaceless. That tends to be a theists view. I'm a panentheist. You talked to me as if you understood what that was. Obviously you have no clue