I'm Thinking Of ENDING Things With The Man I Love As He Wants Kids r/Relationships

[@LovesGaming37]

People who want kids should never date child free people. It NEVER ENDS WELL!!!! One person will resent the other

[@yesthatmousyiris4887]

Agree as a childfree person I can never understand why two people with life choices and goals that aren't compatible don't take the time to talk about what they want. They need to learn to be honest.

[@miminana-hd6nf]

yes, this. OP knew she didn't want kids and he did. She led him on for 4 years. She needs to break up with him and let him find someone he can have kids with. Usually, you read about someone pressuring their SO to have kids, she is pressuring him to go along with her child free status. He is going to resent her. The marriage will not last.

[@TonySamedi]

@@miminana-hd6nf Where the hell do you get that she lead him on? She says 2 months into the relationship when kids got brought up she had a serious conversation, and when he said something about her changing his mind she told him he shouldn't bank on that happening. That's not leading on, that's being honest. If there is ever any resentment it's on him lying about being fine about it, because she never lied about what would happen.

[@johnpauljones9310]

@@yesthatmousyiris4887 OP is going to end up divorced and her ex-husband will father a child within a year of their divorce. It's plain as day.

[@lauralfreeberg2179]

The cupcake story reminds me of a childhood tale. My brother had to bake a cke for his class. He waited until the night before and we found the cat eating it in the morning. It was left out to cool.I took a Polaroid of it. My Mom had to write a note that the cat ate his homework. We even had photo evidence of it

[@owl7072]

Story 1: I've never understood why it's fine to say someone is "too young" to decide they don't want kids and get surgery to prevent it but not "too young" to create and raise a whole other human being. If someone changes their mind later, there's this thing called "adoption"

[@AndyyWithAY]

There's a ton of misogyny in Healthcare that's I'm hoping gets sorted out soon. Many women know from childhood kids are not for them and have endo, PCOS, and other things that would be completely alleviated with a hysterectomy. But, they're "too young". What about a hypothetical husband? I know they're afraid of being sued to a certain extent, but make the women sign a waiver and do the right thing.

[@wendylee9255]

Lawsuits baby. Lawsuits. You f#cking and creating an entire human being ain't got a thing to do with them. However if a doctor performs an irreversible surgery and the patient regrets it, depending where you live they can successfully sue you. A doctor told my cousin a few weeks back who was trying to have her tubes tied (She was only 21) that he knew a fellow doctor who did it on a woman the same age and she ended up suing him a few years later! Her lawyer argued since she lived in a place where 23 was the legal age of majority at that time, she was considered a minor. Plus he argued the doctor acted irresponsibility as he knew from medical expertise that the human brain doesn't stop developing until 25. It was a crap show apparently and that's why her doctor was adamant on not doing that procedure. It's not like implants where you could take them out. For alot of women, this is irreversible.

[@helar2574]

@@wendylee9255 This 💯.

[@drewthistlethwaite8909]

Yeah adoption isn’t a form of birth control so allowing folks who recognize their situation and lifestyle to address it is ideal. I’m getting my uterus out soon and it’s 3 years earlier than what most surgeons “allow” without husband or bf approval(sadly in the US) but my OBGYN is a woman. Like that shit folds twice, is fusing, and is doing a lil twist that’s impacting my spine and pelvic floor and presses into other organs painfully. It took 5 years of documenting that to qualify. Also I’m adopted. A big part of me not wanting kids is on fourth Gen adopted. My bio fam has a problem. I’m solving it on my end. My siblings who can handle kids I’m very very porous of. I’m self aware tho.

[@Nevertoleave]

@@wendylee9255 the brain doesn’t stop developing at 25. That’s when then ended the study. The brain is always “developing”. People who claim your not mature until then are often trying to dismiss younger people and their decisions or argue that young people shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they don’t do well in that age democratic

[@LovesGaming37]

17 is old enough to know how to bake cupcakes. Don't rescue a nearly adult man. He's just following in his father's footsteps: viewing women as maids and such.

[@Vipre-]

Yeah zero sympathy there, he wasn't even asking for help but for her to do it all for him while he went and hung with the boys.

[@ynmonroe]

Especially when he couldn't be bothered to rescue himself. He expected OP to drop her plans for his benefit while he had no intention of doing it himself. Pure entitlement and misogyny.

[@leaflet1686]

And even if they don't know... There are a lot of easy recipes online!

[@kamicokrolock]

Yeah, like a box mix has all the instructions on the back and usually call for just adding water or maybe an egg as well. And frosting comes in a can now a days.

[@stephkais5613]

​@@kamicokrolock😂 exactly. If he can read, and turn a switch on the oven, he can make cupcakes.

[@PuppyKatt]

Story 3: The 17 year old could have made those cupcakes rather than "go hang out with friends." It is called RESPONSIBILITY.

[@atinyevil1383]

Or he could have even invited his friend to make cupcakes with him. Then he could have had his cake and ate it, too (pun fully intended).

[@Tammohawk1]

1. I'm glad that OP sat down with her boyfriend and had that talk. Otherwise, OP might have left, and I can understand why. 2. I refuse to cave to bigoted people, regardless of who they are. And I've always been this way. I also am not afraid to speak up when people act in a bigoted way. I'm glad OP isn't giving his daughter a penny for her wedding. 3. That was on OP's son. He "forgot" to make cupcakes and asks his mom at the last minute to make them for him because he has "plans". He could have stayed home instead and made those cupcakes. OP told him no, and no means no the first time.

[@johnowen9349]

Story 3's OP is lucky they're a mom. If a father had made that post he would have gotten destroyed.

[@jackspring7709]

@@johnowen9349 True.

[@joefoto3243]

Where can I find based people in story 2?

[@nathansmith7686]

⁠@@joefoto3243the father is very based.

[@paulastiles5507]

Story #3: Sounds like the son FAFOed. He "volunteered" his mom to make cupcakes while he was going to go out with his friend? Yeah, no. Stand your ground, Mom. Future GFs will thank you for it.

[@lauraevans2104]

Cupcakes - son ran to dad to tell on mom. Dad could have swung by a bakery and picked up cupcakes if he was that worried about his son not having them. OP good on ya for letting your son find out his action and choices have consequences.

[@Songbirdstress]

He could have made them.

[@heatherholzhaus7013]

Mark..... I've just had an epiphany. Your channel is my daily soap opera. My housewife portion of the day has reddit channels like yours, Markee, and DarkFluff. And I just realized.... this is like when my mum used to watch her soap operas. Thanks for being my entertainment. Lol

[@boneymeroney2674]

Same. 😂

[@FlamesofJagger]

Thirded

[@deppresedonion6320]

Darkfluff thanks il have to check it out .

[@drewthistlethwaite8909]

My grandma said my reddit stories sound like old radio soaps or shows where you’d call in for advice etc. Ye old ancient soap opera!!!

[@heatherholzhaus7013]

@@deppresedonion6320 I also like Mr Redder

[@snow2267]

I absolutely love the quote "it goes against my culture to exclude family from events"

[@Nevertoleave]

The 17 year old volunteered and then had a whole night to get it done and didn’t. That’s his problem. He’s about to go to college. Will it be mommy’s problem if he forgets an assignment? What about when he has a real job? Is he going to blame mommy for not completing his work? At what point does he start taking responsibility for his actions?

[@AndyyWithAY]

Haven't heard the story yet, but marriage and kids should always be dealbreakers. If one person wants 1 and one, 3 y'all can compromise on 2 children. You can't have a fraction of a kid. Likewise you're either married or you're not. Children deserve two all in parents. Sounds like OP is Hispanic "tia", Spanish for aunt. I know family is big in that culture. ETA since people don't know what can means. There is a possibility that the couple could decide on 2 kids. Or they could have 1 or they could just break up 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️ I just meant that if it's just the number of kids, a compromise could be reached

[@Gamergal_Val92]

Tía is actually Spanish for aunt, tío is Spanish for uncle. Sorry if I sounded/came off as rude

[@AndyyWithAY]

@@Gamergal_Val92 I know that I was just typing too fast and wrote the wrong thing. Thanks for the correction 😊

[@Gamergal_Val92]

@@AndyyWithAY You're welcome 😊

[@LovesGaming37]

Nope. There is no compromise if the woman only wants one. She has final say if she wants fewer kids than the man.

[@Batman-lg2zj]

Oh shut up and it is not always like that .

[@BohemianScandalous]

That update was so heart-warming. They clearly love and care about each other a lot and are more than willing to assure their future happiness by making sure everyone is on the same page and no one’s feelings are being neglected. Also it was very mature of him to go to therapy to get to the root of his issues surrounding marriage and children before it became a huge deal in his relationship with OP. I hope they both have a long and happy life together

[@SwirlyPinwheel]

It's so wholesome! What a gem of a relationship! 🥹

[@theresaduffy8222]

I think I’m love with OP’s husband. 😂😊

[@WadeAlma]

Lmao, he’s gonna divorce her. People pleasers will resent their partners. She’s terrible for encouraging him to go to therapy to fight his natural urges. She isn’t sacrificing and is trying to pretend this situation is okay.

[@Captain_Bottles]

⁠​⁠@@WadeAlma But she didn’t encourage him to go to therapy, he chose to do it himself once he realised his perceptions of broken relationships and the idea that offspring can fix said relationships is flawed and needs to be addressed before he furthers his relationship with OP.

[@WadeAlma]

@@Captain_Bottles Nah, it’s clear he’s a people pleaser. People who want kids like him don’t suddenly stop. She’s deluding herself and him into believing this is healthy.

[@notconvincedgranny6573]

Last story: why can't OP's son make the cupcakes with his dad?

[@kitarrah1422]

Because the dad is useless. He and the kids treated OP as a maid. The 17 year-old could have even run to the store and bought cupcakes from the bakery!

[@actuallynotsteve]

Was on the opposite end of this with same age gap. Minimal fighting, she ruled, but i realized in a pretty wild way that it wasn't fair to her if I loved her to take her word for "really, it's not a huge deal, we don't need kids, I'll trade them and a wedding for you. I sat her down, told her to go find the life she truly wants, it's forever after all. This was after try 2 close to perfect years of daily puppy love, and a patch where I was doubting everything. This is something I've known I don't want since 14 and even though she wanted the "he'll change down the road route, nah. She's married and has 5 kids now, and I'm happy for her.

[@AndyyWithAY]

It hurt, but you made the right decision

[@marvahinspace]

my friend got married to woman, neither wanted kids, she changed, he gave in and they had 2, he loved his kids, he said his daughter was like mini-him but he still regretted that he had kids. his marriage went down hill because of it, he became an ass and cheated and then less than a year later his life came to an end because he became so depressed and sick. it is very important to know when your person wants something you can't give them and let them go.

[@actuallynotsteve]

@@marvahinspace I'd argue it's the most important thing in a relationship, period, as it's a life you're creating, and if that's going to make you tap out in 1 year and become an asshole, don't do it. I'm almost 40 and got my first dog 3 years ago - she was 4 weeks old and I didn't think nearly enough about what that responsibility meant. The first month or so was overwhelmingly difficult...it was this tiny little soul that needed me 24/7, and I mean 24/7. She wasn't a cat, where I could just leave food and water out, and leave the window open. This was a tiny little thing that slept in the pocket of my gym shorts the first night I had her. Now she's the best thing in my life and she's 5 feet away from me right now, but I can't even imagine how much harder it is with a literal human, if you're unprepared and only creating one because of societal pressure. Way too many people feel like they're not properly adult unless they're married and a parent, and it breaks my heart. You should be with somebody because they're perfect and your soulmate, and have no red flags. Not because you're "not supposed to be single, and you're getting up there" and thus ignoring tons of red flags to jam a square peg into a round hole. Wait for the right person, not the next person, and if they never come, that's totally OK.

[@marvahinspace]

@@actuallynotsteve I just got my first dog myself and I'm mid 30s, she was 3.5y but abandoned 3x so with massive attachment issues so very attached to my hip. I don't want kids either and I know how much more work they are compared to the dog. I have 2 nephews, 10 and 2.5y. I have the older one over for summer vacation. A week is already so much mental work. Its constant parenting about food, snacks, behavior, play time, reading time, sleep time, hygiene, etc, etc, etc. Maybe get few hours worth of me time a day which for a quiet book person is not enough. My dog let's me know when she wants out, food time we have the same. I can watch my shows, read a book or whatever I wanna do with her by my side. That's all she wants be with me. Kids are like a second full time job type of responsibility.

[@actuallynotsteve]

@@marvahinspace totally agree. Glad you helped a little life that deserved a lucky break, I tried to and drove two hours to adopt a female Boston that had a similar history. When I got there, they told me that the county had just issued a shut down order because of COVID an hour ago. They didn't even let me see her. The next day I bought a puppy off cl, as I didn't understand the dynamics then. I love being like the fun uncle to kids, and will never have my own, but you're right - she kinda scratches the genetic itch to raise another life in your own form, and I'm so happy that she's exactly what I'd want a daughter to be. She's so goofy, nice, and smart/adaptive, that she just wants to love everyone is very much how I feel too. Better than kids and maybe equally as rewarding.

[@star3catcherSEQUEL]

Story 2: Not only would I not pay for that wedding, I wouldn't even attend until I got a real apology from both my daughter and her fiancee. The fact that she would even continue to have feelings at all for someone who would exclude her siblings that way is a black mark alone on her character. I am also so sick of people feeling entitled to endless deference to their precious "cultures" -- if this aspect of your culture hurts people, then I will gladly tell you to your face that I dont give two flying shits about your culture. MY culture says what you think is despicable, get over it. Your culture isn't special and you're not the only one who can pull that card.

[@lindah3803]

Agree. What kills me is that she tried to slide it in under the radar. She and fiancée didn't OP and his wife. Didn't say anything to her siblings. What was she thinking. I didn't send an invitation,so they'll automatically know they're not invited. They won't talk to the rest of the fam. Personnaly,after talking with her,I would've said OK, just wondered. Then immediately canceled every payment without a word. Just to let her and fiancée find out on their own. Hell with her and those folk's.

[@marshawargo7238]

OP is saying that the daughters In Laws are the problem, I think it's also her fiancé feelings that in question here! Either He feels that way & is throwing his parents under the bus or he will never have his wife's side in a disagreement with his parents & he'll always be running to them or telling on his wife to his parents. I just don't imagine her marriage will last long. In this case OP can save the money for her divorce or second marriage😊

[@SueTainsh]

Her wedding her choice. Regardless of opinions on her choice

[@Andrea.S.Alvey12]

Story 2: The inlaws aren't the only problem. Casey told her father that ''Max and his family are uncomfortable with non-trad families as it's against their culture. The groom is part of the family. That Casey got wrapped up with a man who wants to exclude half her siblings, and she's alright with this, tells a truth about Op's daughter he's going to have to come to terms with.

[@marygilbert6105]

I have *got* to have an update on this one. Will Casey really cut off her whole family of origin? What will happen when she tells her fiance that the wedding is no longer paid for? I gotta know!

[@MrJpaynebb]

Casey has the right to invite or not invite whomever she wants to her wedding and she has the right to choose her in-laws over her siblings. OP is of course under no obligation to fund or attend her wedding and any future events she has plans for if she decides to embrace her in-laws bigotry aka old ways.

[@Original_Tenshi_Chan]

​@@marygilbert6105All these questions and more answered next time on... As The Waffle Turns! Sorry, your post sounded like the old timey lead up to a "Next time on DBZ!", so my brain ran with it. Lol

[@pyromanaic21]

Why is it that when there's a difference of morality, those who disagree with me are the biggots, but never the other way around. The dad said he'd pay for the wedding and backed out when he found out the groom and inlaws have a different moral code they live by. Don't make promises you can't or won't keep.

[@cmsxcb]

Exactly. The fiance wants to marry into a family that he knows will not be accepted (as a complete family) by his own family. He then sets up his future bride by asking her to make a decision that will create drama and, potentially, split her own siblings. Yeah, he isn't marrying into the family, he's attempting to separate his future wife from her family. That's not love.

[@dreamart3395]

Story 1 …. My husband and I were married for six years before we together decided there was something missing in our lives … children. Up until that point we were perfectly happy with no children. We got nothing but grief from my husband’s parents. But, ultimately it was always our decision to have or not have children. I applaud OP and her fiancé for being true to themselves and true to each other.

[@marinawhogames7740]

Pretty much the same here… six years and all.

[@miminana-hd6nf]

they are not being true to each other, she does not want kids and he does. He is putting his desires on the back burner for her. The relationship is doomed.

[@alaaesong164]

@@miminana-hd6nf correct, he's going to resent her and honestly if he does? They're both to blame here, OP is just putting her head in the sand because it suits her wants and needs.

[@muhammedahmed3291]

​@@alaaesong164I can understand someone being childfree because they hate kids. However, in ber words - "she loves kids". If pregnancy is the only reason she's child free...why not go for surrogacy or even adoption?

[@CircusoftheMoon]

@@muhammedahmed3291 Hating kids is not a requirement for being child free and every person has their own reason for choosing that life. Plus surrogacy and adoption cost money, not everyone thinks its worth the cost for those two options.

[@mattl6300]

S2: "A lack of planning on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on my part."

[@maurer3d]

Story 1: This is a first month deal-breaker topic. You (or he) really should have broke up as soon as he said he wanted kids. This hole delusion of "I can change her (or him)", needs to end.

[@Guitarbarella]

She should have been up front from first date instead of waiting till he fell in love with her-it’s like reverse baby trapping

[@Guitarbarella]

And she’s in effect by her actions trying to changing his mind as well, only using therapy to achieve it more smoothly. They need to split. She is selfish imo , not about not wanting kids, no, but leading him on for months not telling him when she knew full well she didn’t want them. Screams selfishness…. Like most people who don’t want kids are very honest and upfront from day one! Why? Coz they don’t want to waste others time or break hearts. he needs his heart broken for this though coz it’s gunna eat him up as he gets older bit by bit.

[@magnarcreed3801]

@@Guitarbarella She let him know pretty soon on.

[@13thMaiden]

​@@Guitarbarella I wouldn't say she led him on, more that BOTH of them committed to the delusions that the other would change with time. She believed he honestly gave up the thought of kids (despite it being extremely huge to him prior to meeting her), and he thought she'd either come along to it or he's stupidly sacrificing something he really wants while under rose-colored glasses. She even states he's notorious for sacrificing his wants and needs to please his loved ones. Now both are again being delusional that this isn't going to breed resentment down the line. She's going to notice any time he looks at children or families with children, and he's always going to have that little voice in the back of his mind of "What if". Not to mention it sounds like his family is going to push for children at some point and he'll have double pressure from both sides. This relationship should have broke up the minute they differed about children, but they are so in love with the ideal of each other they put on blinders and pretended everything was fine.

[@Guitarbarella]

@@13thMaiden agree with you! i just do think as the person who knew for the get go she didn’t want kids she should have said it day one. the fact he is in therapy for suppressing his desire and she is comfortable with that is just crazy on both their parts.

[@MrERRada]

I've always wanted 21 kids, that was my dream. Then I met the love of my life and she doesn't want kids at all. I find it very insulting that someone would choose to make the decision for me! I love her more than having kids. I'll build a future with her and go on many vacations with her like my parents never got to do. I'm happy to be the cool uncle and aunt that spoils the kiddos.

[@jessbeingme8155]

I have questions, first being who are you? What do you do? Did you dream of being a cult leader or a billionaire? 21 is a lot of kids Otherwise I'm glad that you and your wife managed to work through differences and as someone with a cool uncle without kids believe me if you stay in their lives they'll appreciate it immensely especially when the parents are busy with work other kids or just life in general. An extra shoulder is always appreciated

[@MrERRada]

@@jessbeingme8155 hahaha I'm no one special, just a humble Christian living a humble life. I'm not yet married though, but I am in the process of courting the love of my life. Lol I have no aspersions of being a cult leader or billionaire. I just have a really big heart. I'm ok with adoption and foster care, but the most foster care I'll be doing will be with animals 🤣 I told my last ex that I wanted 21 kids and her response was, "I think my uterus just died." 😬 lol I guess the reason I wanted so many kids stems from my passion for the famous composer, J.S. Bach. He had 20 children and when I learned of that in my youth, I wanted one more than himself. 😅

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Uh....21 KIDS?!?!?

[@MrERRada]

@@DrawciaGleam02 what can I say, I was in competition with J.S. Bach 🤷‍♂️🤣

[@darknezfire]

You are male right?

[@Kal_57]

Story 1 : I really hope this will work out because they both seem to be decent people. But I hope he will not regret this in a few years. Now he's ok with not having kids because he's madly in love with OP and doesn't want to lose her, but in a few years when it will be biologically more and more difficult for them to be able to conceive kids and that there will be no going back, will he keep his words ? Or will he try to convince her to try for one because it will be their last chance ? For now he has rose-tainted glasses and only see his wife but I fear that in a few years, with them being married since a long time, he might see things differently.

[@Yemto]

Same here, I have sadly heard too many posts with this exact scenario. So I really hope this is an outlier.

[@er-ha]

The only thing that makes this case seem a bit unique is that OP’s partner identified that he’s in therapy and realised he wanted children because he thought they would bring stability and happiness to a relationship (by default), due to growing up around issues that his parents had in their own relationship. Could be that he liked the idea of children more than necessarily truly wanting them. But even in relationships where both parties are set on not having children, sometimes that changes down the line-I think as long as OP and her partner continue to be open, it should be fine. But also that “fine” may mean the relationship does eventually end in an amicable divorce.

[@WadeAlma]

@@er-haHe’s stupid for pretending he doesn’t want kids just to please his wife. This dude will leave her and have a kid within a year. She is an ass for pretending her man going to therapy to encourage him not to have kids. What the fuck.

[@paulastiles5507]

@@er-ha Yeah, he doesn't sound as though he's really sure about wanting kids. The fantasy and the reality are radically different.

[@thestalker67]

She basically wait for him to fell in love to tell him that she don't want kids and he is basically doing therapy to seclude his own desires. Idk if they're decent people but they're very delusional

[@lorianabanana6066]

I feel so bad for the OP in the 1st story when she said she wants to get sterilized but the doctors said she was 'too young'.... sigh. There will ALWAYS be a reason they won't do it. I've been trying to get sterilized my entire adult life and there's always another reason. First I was too young and they said I would have to have at least 3 kids at my age then (early 20's) to even consider it. Nevermind I don't want any- EVER. Also nevermind the horrible physical & mental health issues that run in my family including my severely handicapped brother who I will bw responsible for when my parents are too old to care for him. Then when I was 30 they said I was still too young. They also brought up my future partner- what would HE want? Keep in mind that I was single and I'm bisexual. Who said I'd ultimately end up with a 'he'? Also I would NEVER be with someone who wanted kids longterm because I am very adament about being childfree. Then around 35-36 I met my partner. He's my forever person. And guess what, HE DOESN'T WANT KIDS EITHER. Shocking I know, almost like I was specifically looking for that in a partner lol. So now I'm over 35, my partner (whose opinon mattered more than MINE for some reason) doesn't want kids either and I still don't want any kids, let alone 3. Surely now we could do it right???? NOPE. Now I'm too old. I'll be 40 soon enough. Nevermind that I could still get pregnant and my State has super strict anti-choice laws. I'll hit menopause within 10 to 15 years so why bother??? It's beyond frustrating because if I was a man I could get the snip in 3 appointments no problem. But as a women I went through YEARS of doctor hopping before I gave up. I'm just very careful about my birth control and keep emergency info in case I ever need to drive out of State or order certain pills online. Fun stuff I'm sorry but they will never let OP get sterilized. Women are expected to have childern and nobody takes us seriously when we say that we don't want any. I've heard the 'Oh YoU'll cHaNgE yOuR mInD' thing sooooo many times. Never have never will.

[@terramarini6880]

2,000-5,000 dollars Canadian to get it done up here if you are not a citizen, you are now at an age where you will not be given an argument as long as you indicate that you are fully aware of the permanence. I got mine done after 2 kids no questions asked.

[@babymac1379]

You're not wrong. My husband ended up getting the snip because we knew the surgery would be less invasive AND he wouldn't be denied the same way I would. It took one phone call and one appointment and it's been done for a year now. Before he even hit 30.

[@simonbrushes]

I couldn’t get mine done until I was 35. Because “I might change mind” I never changed my mind and getting sterilized was the best decision of my life…wish they would have let me do it sooner

[@MinkxiTes]

The thing where they say no because of the futere male partner is so upsetting. Like seriously what the fu#k. A very dear friend got it denied because of it. She is a lesbian. Men don't get asked about their future female partners wants, when they ask for the procedure.

[@lorianabanana6066]

@@MinkxiTes Right?!! If my (male) partner walked in to his doctor today he could get the snip in like 3 appointments. Meanwhile I fight for almost 15 years and nothing. But he doesn't want to which I get- he doesn't even have tattoos and won't shave lol. And he's paid for some of my birth control which many men refuse to because contraception is somehow just on the woman. Reproductive health is a whole thing if you have lady parts.

[@OZARKMOON1960]

#1 - It must be that I'm too surly and jaded; my mind went immediately to BF is going to sabotage OP's birth control and then, OOPSIE, we have a baby. Not sure his thoughts of wanting kids for 20 years or more turned around that quickly.

[@MinkxiTes]

There are enough stories like that out there and often the man doesn't get punished for it, but the woman is stuck in a pregnancy for 9 months.

[@paulastiles5507]

Story #1: At first, I was thinking from OP's conversations with her BF that she was going to have to break up with him. I'm glad she had a final big conversation with him. For us women, the fact that in order to have biological children, we almost always have to carry them for nine months ourselves, brings a bloody reality to the prospect that can approach body horror if we really don't want kids. For men, it's far more abstract. It sounds as though OP's BF had this vague idea that a marriage only works if you have kids and that kids "complete" a family, from the fact that pretty much the only thing that seems to have kept his parents together was their having kids. Glad the two of them hashed that out.

[@WadeAlma]

He’s gonna divorce her and have a kid within a year.

[@paulastiles5507]

@@WadeAlma "*If* he can have children.

[@WadeAlma]

@@paulastiles5507 He's young enough. He more than likely can.

[@paulastiles5507]

@@WadeAlmaLOLOL! Men can be infertile from birth, you know. This guy already has a fantasy that he can just find a girl, have kids, and those kids alone with hold the marriage together. Guaranteed he hasn't even considered the possibility that he might not be able to have kids, or even find a new partner all that easily.

[@WadeAlma]

@@paulastiles5507 I like that you think it’s likely he’s infertile even though it’s a 7 percent chance. Imagine coping this hard and hoping a dude is infertile because his wife doesn’t want kids. He can definitely find a girl who satisfies his desires for a kid without trying to treat his natural desire like a mental illness.

[@Lily_of_the_Forest]

Never have children if you do not want them. Set the other person free ASAP to find a like-minded partner. There are no bad guys here. Stay amicable.

[@kamicokrolock]

Last story: NTA. The 17 year old had plenty of time to make a dozen cupcakes from a box mix and frost with canned frosting the night before (when they should be made anyway and would have taken like an hour and a half) but he chose to go out with friends and expected mom to drop everything and do it for him. Heck he could have done what most people do and pick up baked goods from the store. Not much op can do except let the kid make his mistakes rather than reinforcing the entitled behavior.

[@jeanproctor3663]

Story 1 - OMG, what a wonderful story! It had me in tears at the end and it's so beautiful to hear that someone has such a pure love for another person and that they can compromise. I'm so glad they are happy. Story 2 - OP is definitely NTA and good on her Dad for his stand on this. Casey should stand up for her siblings, not agree with excluding them and good on her Dad for refusing to fund the wedding if her siblings and their families aren't allowed to go. Her in-laws-to-be can be bigoted in their own houses but a wedding is meant to be a happy celebration not a day for petty exclusions Story 3 - I see where OP is coming from but it wouldn't have hurt to have missed one meeting and coached his son on making cup cakes. The son would have done well to let his friends know he needed to rain check because he had something he needed to do that he'd forgotten about and he had to do it that night. OP didn't have to actually *make* the cup cakes and it would have been a valuable life lesson to her son on learning to cook. I think t his is an ESH because both son and OP could have done and said things differently.

[@samoanjoseph1457]

Story 2: If impressing the new family is that important to her, then she can go get married in their country. And stay there.

[@MasterBuilderDragon]

Story 1: There’s no way things are going to stay this smooth forever. The boyfriend is giving up way too much because he can’t imagine a life without OP. What if there’s actually a woman that can make him just as happy AND wants kids? What if OP accidentally gets pregnant before the surgery? Then what? Will he really be ok with OP getting an abortion? I’m not saying OP is bad for not wanting kids, I’m just saying being on the same page regarding kids is crucial in a marriage. I think they’d be better off apart.

[@TheKnightofAwesomeness]

Oh yeah there not compatible, I can see them breaking up in about 2 to 5 years over this...

[@KansasNotTheBand]

and here i was feeling guilty for thinking so negatively, but honestly? you're right. it's only realistic to think these two are never going to work in the long run. it might be different if OP was on the fence but _leaning_ toward child-free, but she sounds very adamant that she does _not_ want to be a mother and even intends to get surgery to ensure she won't. i can't see her boyfriend ever really giving up the idea of kids, no matter how much he professes that all he needs to be happy is OP. i feel like him resenting her for making him miss out on this experience he's wanted for like forever isn't an "if" so much as a "when".

[@sammoore5864]

I'm so glad I wasn't the only I kept having this feeling it wasn't going to work cause of the whole kids thing and I thought I was being to cynical.

[@tanyaespinozadelosmonteros8510]

I just broke up a 2 year relationship for the same thing, this post sounds like I wrote it myself, hope everything goes well with OP no matter what they decide

[@Boundwithflame23]

Aww. Story 1’s ending was really sweet

[@toadman5184]

Story 1: He needs to be honest and just let her go. She's clearly not the one for him - he wants kids, she does not. That's a dealbreaker, let her go.

[@miminana-hd6nf]

yes, she is the one who needs to make the break, though. She has led him on for 4 years. She needs to just walk away and let him find someone he can have kids with. She should not have kids because she is "child free" but she, also, should not push her preference on him. He is going to resent her.

[@tokyobateman6610]

He’s perfectly fine with not having kids

[@HeoBaby24]

​@@tokyobateman6610how would you know that? That's something he wants and she doesn't

[@Guitarbarella]

@@tokyobateman6610 he is getting therapy for it so clearly not.

[@Sirevanacc]

​@@miminana-hd6nf how has she led him on? In any case, the one deluding is the dude with his own wishes.

[@andysixxstalkerangeloftrag5833]

I tried to end things with my ex because he wanted kids and I didn't. He convinced me we could work without kids. I feel like he purposely had an "accidental" pregnancy. Now I have a kid who I love deeply but he stepped out entirely.

[@deniesemlopez9965]

What an asshole, I hope he gets what he deserves.

[@snake5solid]

This (unfortunately common behaviour) is so upsetting. If he wanted a kid so much then why did he checked out? Why isn't he taking care of that kid properly?

[@LA-mz1dd]

Because the people who do this are truly dumb enough to not realize kids are HARD work.

[@PuppyKatt]

Story 2: NTA This is Casey's family. Fiance's family is not paying, and fiance's family does not have a say in who comes or stays away. It is none of fiance's family how anyone lives, who they live with, or what lifestyle they prefer. Casey should invite ALL family members, or no family members from either side. Casey can and should get married at City Hall if she is concerned about how other people feel.

[@LilFeralGangrel]

Story 2: NTA. i hate bigots but i hate bigoted cowards even more. Casey is participating in her future in-laws bigotry. she isn't "keeping the peace", she's choosing hatred.

[@GiordanDiodato]

I hate bigot enablers even more

[@AndyyWithAY]

And the bigots not even paying anything towards the wedding makes it worse to me

[@joefoto3243]

Bigots are my frens.

[@SvarogAristaeusAllen]

@@joefoto3243 We get it, you haven't gone outside in years.

[@joefoto3243]

@@SvarogAristaeusAllen Outside is full of unbased boring people.

[@knowmyhustle]

idk i think op should end it with him even if he says he'll be fine w/o kids. its such a tricky situation.

[@ivorynk752]

I've heard more than one story where the partner is "fine with out kids" but really meant "I am fine for now, but expect you change your mind later."

[@GiordanDiodato]

maybe don't be so cynical

[@juliearmfield2634]

Its not cynical is just realistic

[@dingoatemychild1]

Bros just want everyones relationship to end 💀💀💀 chill out lmfao

[@AndyyWithAY]

I think I agree with you. The fact that they've been together 4 years but his family approached OP about kids was very telling to me. Don't think he REALLY cosigns on child free

[@W0lfscythe]

Having kids is a choice. NOT an obligation.

[@belladonnabudgets7362]

💯 this

[@jakeand9020]

Where is the relevance here?

[@michal31131]

​@@jakeand9020 Story 1

[@jakeand9020]

@@michal31131 Yeah, figured as much, I just don't see the relevance of this comment. There's not even the pushy wannabe grandparents in this story and BF certainly hasn't pushed. There's literally nobody saying she should have kids, much less is obligated to do so. The closest to anything like that is people assumed she would be planning on having kids because he always wanted them, which only makes sense.

[@kammie225]

I don't believe in husband in the first story at all lmao. Talk is cheap, lets see how he feels in a few years when he realises OP will never change her mind.

[@robertx8020]

We will read it on Reddit and on this Channel but it could work out so I wouldn't hold my breath

[@philwill0123]

Yep. The one who wanted kids, it always gets overwhelming for them

[@TSignature]

That’s what I thought. This is a ticking time bomb, this couple is being naive.

[@phoenixfire8978]

Story 1: Sounds like those two are lucky to have found each other. I wish them all the best.

[@nemostrangesonginthedirt8448]

This is a problem of different values. They should have put love aside and focus on why they are getting married and what they wanted in the future. The husband was not honest with himself. He should have left her on proper terms due to the fact that she did not want kids. No one is the asshole. They should have seriously been honest with themselves.

[@AngryReptileKeeper]

No, he's the asshole alright. While he may have good intentions, he's effectively stringing OP along because he's downplaying his own previously stated desires.

[@paulastiles5507]

Story #2: Good for OP, refusing to fund a wedding between bigots.

[@pyromanaic21]

How are they biggots? They have a different set of morals. Difference of morals does not a biggot make.

[@simonO712]

​@@pyromanaic21True, but if said morals include bigotry it does make them bigots.

[@Theimmure]

@@pyromanaic21 “a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.” She deliberately excluded her own family to cater to the beliefs of the one she is marrying into because they don’t feel comfortable with families that aren’t “traditional” as it “goes against their culture.” The “different set of morals” argument isn’t going to work here.

[@kelf114]

@@simonO712 This is where cultures clash. You cannot judge another culture by your own. Some cultures are MUCH different from the one you know. That doesn't make anyone "right" or "wrong". You may have your opinion, just as they have theirs. No one is forcing anyone to interact. But you cannot judge a completely different culture by your own standards. And no.... You do not get to impose your standards on other cultures from other countries. Just as you don't want your own imposed upon.

[@simonO712]

@@kelf114 Bigotry has an actual, objective definition though; it doesn't just mean "bad", "immoral", "wrong" or so on.

[@lokcachte]

This is off topic from the video, but these videos are really helping me keeping distracted right now. My cat is ill and won’t recover. Only things like this are helping me keep distracted enough to keep it together to enjoy what time I have left with him, so thank you.

[@kitarrah1422]

I'm so sorry. (Hugs) 😢 I have lost beloved kitties in my life, and I still miss them every day. I have 2 right now, and I take every opportunity to show them how much I love them. Shower your sweet kitty with love, and let them know just how much you will miss them. Give them their favorite things; give them lots of petting/massages; just cuddle with them as much as possible. And don't forget to take lots of pictures and videos of them, so you can always look back on your time together. Hang in there.

[@lindah3803]

I'm sorry. Hugs from Louisiana. I've been there.

[@dasani.like.the.water.]

I’m so sorry. I’ve lost a cat before and I know how painful it is. Cherish those last moments with him. Sending you lots of hugs.

[@FrozenCampbellSoup]

awwwww that first story absolutely warmed my heart to the point it melted

[@AndyyWithAY]

Mark said what I was thinking. Have the crew round and hang out while making cupcakes. Simple as. I was 17 when I graduated HS. It's old enough to handle your commitments. Maybe not everything, but cupcakes. Definitely. I agree OP does sound a bit resentful though. Not putting my life on hold anymore for you? TF? Did the kids wrong her or is her ex a POS and she's projecting. Or is she the problem? On that point more info needed but for the cupcakes NTA. 17 is old enough for FAFO

[@brianbarber5401]

It’s clear from the story that she was treated as basically a maid in her marriage - work and taking care of the house, and nothing for herself. The 17 year old screwed up, then wanted her to drop her plans, so he could go have his plans. That’s back in servant territory.

[@paden1865able]

My dad taught me that if I promised something, it was up to me to make good on it. Not him, not my sisters, not my brother, just me.

[@lindah3803]

OP did say that she was treated like a maid by the family before the divorc

[@Tinnitus1445]

I love how everyone’s answer to anything at all is “end it”…like anything short of perfection is just not worth keeping. I’d hate to be involved with someone like that just straight up paranoid that any little difference could cause the nuclear option lol.

[@randomusername3873]

I mean Having children is like the most important decision someone can make in their life Not being on the same page over that IS a big deal

[@MarkNarrations]

[@broken_queer_but_fighting8589]

🧇🧇🤗🤗💜💜

[@LovesGaming37]

🧇🧇🧇🧇

[@nemostrangesonginthedirt8448]

Steak and Waffles

[@jackwatt8988]

3: why would OP make the kid's cupcakes when the kid is going out? It's not like the kid needed help, he just didn't want to do it, and expected someone else to do it for him. He's too old for that.

[@jackwatt8988]

2: I'm not supporting one of my kids who is going to appease some bigots by not inviting their siblings to their wedding. I'm not going to that wedding. I'm not one for ultimatums, but if my kid wants to marry into a family of bigots, that's their choice, but I won't be involved and will be spending the day with my kids who aren't heartless pricks.

[@MiniKitty27]

when people say they don't want something and to not get into a relationship with them expecting them to change that feeling, _BELIEVE THEM_

[@ChrisHarperBooks]

At least the bigoted family in story 2 is willing to own up to their trash. The daughter wants a cookie for not being bigoted but also wants to side with bigots...which shows everyone where her thoughts and priorities really are. She choose her side, let her live with that decision .

[@juliebiggerbear7300]

21:44 i’m with you on this one. Have the friend/friends over for a cupcake making night! Hell, they might have had a lot of fun, making decorations for those bad boys, but no, somebody had to throw a tantrum.

[@jasminedavis3030]

Story 2: What I will never get is someone who has siblings/family part of the LGBTQ+ community and, not just dating, but MARRYING someone who doesn’t accept them. That’s so WILD to me. This screams they weren’t as accepting as they originally claimed and are hiding their real bigotry behind their new spouse and their in-laws. Because isn’t always so convenient how every time a family member that’s gay/lesbian/trans/CF (child free) is not invited to family functions or weddings, it’s because their “traditional” in-laws would “feel uncomfortable” with them there?

[@dasani.like.the.water.]

Exactly!! I’m bisexual so I obviously wouldn’t date someone who doesn’t support me, but my sister is transgender and I couldn’t ever imagine being with someone who doesn’t accept her. Before I started dating someone I make sure they accept and support transgender people because if you don’t accept my sister, it’s not gonna work out.

[@natalieiliadis4177]

17 is not to young to make his own cupcakes - gold for you for letting him fail in a safe way

[@CircusoftheMoon]

It is not a requirement for child free people to hate children. Plenty love kids.

[@kenarbes]

That goes both ways. I got tired of my mom "volunteering" me to do art projects for church. She's an artist, herself. She was pissed, but she had to do the project, herself.

[@ApocalypticEmu]

Ordinarily I’d say that kids should be an immediate dealbreaker issue. But in this case, unless he’s just saying this, it sounds like the BF wanting kids was rooted in something other than specifically wanting to be a dad, and he was self-aware about and looking into that before OP showed up on the scene. Idk man, I think this one could work, especially since they both seem like they might actually continue to check in on each other regarding it.

[@PlasticBluVentRabbit]

Man… reddit reallt has me so jaded I waited up until the end for the other shoe to drop and everything goes down with it Kids is one of those decisions everyone involved has to be on board for, and we’ve seen plenty times before that differing opinions have torn apart relationships

[@SICProwl]

Story 1: a compromise is pets. Pets pets pets

[@TessuDraws]

I do hope, with all of my heart, that the first story's couple does indeed make it out and live a happy life free of resentment. They seem really sweet. So I hope the boyfriend/fiance is right and he'll be happy even without kids.

[@MadameDanteInferno]

Story 2. I cannot imagine marrying someone whose family discrinates against mine. Relationship would be over.

[@FaysDarkAngel]

Story one: While I am glad that communication worked out there was something that stuck out for me. The fact that while he has been helping her into getting surgery that he has never once looked into getting a vasectomy or even offered to get one until then which would have 100% proved he was okay with it. Yes they can be reversed and aren't 100% but it shows the commitment at least.

[@simonO712]

Eh, the one who actually does want kids getting sterilized doesn't seem like a particularly good idea to me. If they were to break up eventually she would be fine with being sterilized as she wouldn't want kids regardless of partner, but he wouldn't be if his next partner didn't also want to be child free.

[@snake5solid]

@@simonO712 That's the thing - if he doesn't want kids then why stay fertile? And if he does want kids then why stay with a partner who don't? Plus, vasectomy isn't a sentence. Even without reversing there are options like freezing the sperm or extraction directly from testicles.

[@simonO712]

@@snake5solid There's a difference between being fine with not having kids for external reasons and actively wanting to not have kids. He's the former while she's the latter.

[@karendaniel620]

Today, I've been listening to IZ singing Somewhere over the Rainbow. I have to remember what the ukulele sounds like in the right hands.

[@carrissa8867]

Story 2 nta I would do the same I would not contribute to an event that excludes 2 of my kids for bigoted reasons that's a hard no from me

[@keepdancingmaria]

To have children, or to not.... There is no compromise possible here.

[@annamcnarin]

Last story: I'd have helped on the condition that he too cancel his plans.

[@samoanjoseph1457]

"He loves you more. Why don't you believe him?" I would say failing to convince his family that he wasn't going to have kids would be why she didn't believe him.

[@SofieBjorkheim]

Omg that first story was so sweet, they seem to be made for each other.

[@paperkay]

Story1: How rapey that sounds: "A woman who changes her mind later.... You just haven't met the right guy..." Men say that to lesbians. And freaks who choose to be barren spinsters, obviously. It's extremely misogynistic. I was lucky that the man who turned out to be the love of my life and we've been happily married for 15 years, already had a kid from a previous relationship. People just think they HAVE to have them - men especially. I told my husband that if he wants kids, please get a side piece and have her punch out babies, because I am neither interested in carrying them nor raising them. Ultimately, I think, he was relieved. It's all fun and games as long as the woman does the cooking and the cleaning and the running around - if OP's boyfriend wants kids so much, he should adopt three or pay a surrogate, and raise them himself.

[@jedimasters1462]

The last story, I just feel like there's more to the story than op posted. Between op wording it as putting her life on hold for her kids and the son's extreme reaction , I just can't stop the feeling that there's something missing.

[@gcarr1089]

Story 1 - if you definitely don't want kids, then have the surgery before going into relationships. ( Or just tell them you can't have kids ) then they know they can't work on changing your mind at a later date.

[@RenaDeles]

The problem is OP is a woman, and as you can see from a *lot* of comments it's damn near impossible to get a doctor to let you get the procedure as a woman vs how easily they agree for men

[@ZoeAlleyne]

My partner i was childfree very early on. I told him we shouldn't date until he could answer the question of if he would be ok never having kids. I told him to sit with it and really think about it. Because even though I can't say for sure he will always be ok with being childfree I needed to make sure he was as prepared as possible. As I am not changing my mind.

[@bloonh8tr619]

Thanks for the uploads Mark. Spent the last 3 hours painting so having you read off reddit as i watched literal paint dry helped time fly lol

[@heenagidwani3696]

Op and her bf hit jackpot 😢❤. Both love eachother and wants eachother to be happy while respecting each other's boundaries ❤❤

[@HaleyJo1992]

Kids and marriage are a major compatibility issue. You need to be on the same page for both. No one should compromise on those things.

[@mama.danni.bell17]

I didn't want kids, I was looking into surgery as well. At my appointment, I found out I was pregnant. Not only that, but I was 22 weeks. I was confused at 1st, and worried I wasn't going to love my baby, but it was too late for anything. My sister even talked about adopting my daughter, but i wasn't sure. A few months go by, and I was so in love and excited about becoming a mom. Now I'm a mother of 3. I would never pressure someone to change their mind, but sometimes you don't know how you'll feel until in the situation.

[@jennywhite2462]

Kids are the biggest deal breaker. If OP doesn't want them and he decides not to have them even though he wants them he will resent her. That resentment will turn into hatred. Better to end it now and maybe keep him as a friend.

[@AIBot929]

S1: Nope gotta break up, life goals do not align and do not be swindled into motherhood. Kids have a no return policy if you don't like them/ or caring for them then you can't go back. After edit: I do not believe him, I feel like he is waiting to lock her down

[@ineedhoez]

Story 1: this is the definition of self love deficit disorder. You dont love yourself enough hold your standards. He wants kids. He will resent her. NEVER change what you want, depending on the person. If she wanted kids, they would be having kids.

[@madambutterfly1997]

So he has the self destructive tendency of prioritizing other people’s happiness at personal risk

[@sharonbroadbent8138]

The 17 year old could have baked himself instead of going out, or even just gone out and bought some from a bakery.

[@colleens1107]

Story one: I’m always glad to see the exception that proves the rule. OPs bf changed his mind about kids because he thought originally they were necessary for strong relationships but came to realize he had it backwards. But truly if you don’t want kids and your partner DOES, the best thing to do is go your separate ways because most stories won’t end as happily as THIS one did

[@smilesforrainydays485]

Story 3: what was stopping the son from inviting his friends over to help him bake cupcakes? There were alternative solutions that he could've looked into, but he chose to ignore his responsibility The excuse of "I forgot and mom wouldn't help me" works when you're in grade school, but not for something so easy when you're almost an adult

[@Chloeeee12333]

Story 2, being a good parent, does not mean blindly supporting your kid no matter what. It means calling them out when they are wrong.

[@TheRoseAlchemist]

Story 1: OP Honestly, my gut is telling you to RUN not walk from this guy! He's being too agreeable in saying what you want to hear, so unless you want to put your BC under a security system, or you want to have an "oops" within 2 years. Leave!

[@slimecorn]

Yeah I’d get an iud if I were her.

[@djrocuall]

Love your narrations mark. Been listing for years and you helped me through so many long work days 😂

[@kathyniebylski6735]

Children and marriage are big deal breakers. Idk why OP isn't thinking twice about this because it doesn't seem like they are compatible, and her partner is going to force her hand into making a kid happen.

[@TheKnightofAwesomeness]

Or he's going to leave to start his own family...

[@PuppyKatt]

Story 1: I am a mother of 5 adult children. I understand where you are coming from because, although all of my children love children, 3 will never be parents, because they don't want to be (one does want, but they cannot afford, so they do not want to bring a child into poverty). I am not going to put guilt or shame on them, because I respect their decisions. You have my full support in whatever decision you make in regards to staying with bf, getting married, and NOT having children, or letting him down very gently, and allowing him to find a woman who feels the same as he does, while you find a man who feels the same as you do. When I was 16, I got engaged to a man whom I still love to this day. We planned the wedding for my 18th birthday. 6 months before the scheduled, planned wedding, I asked him how long we will wait before having children, and how many he wanted. He blew my mind when he said "We are not having children." That crushed me. I loved him so very much that I knew I would never poke holes in the protection, and feign surprise at a pregnancy, and he loved me so very much that he would in no way go to a doctor behind my back, have the "no babies" surgery, and cause me to wonder why I was not getting preggers. We tearfully broke up, and parted ways. It hurts, but, as they say, "love hurts." Good Luck to both of you.

[@ian7064]

Story 1: The bf needs to stop lying to himself. He's gonna regret this decision in a few years

[@TheKnightofAwesomeness]

Yup, how many times have we heard this song and dance lol

[@Splatoon_Kirby]

You sound like every doctor when someone wants to get Birth control, tubes tied, or get snipped so they won't have kids by mistake.

[@TwiggyHetfield27]

Story 2: I was fully ready to be like YTA based on the title alone. But it pays to keep reading lol. 100% NTA. Casey's fiancé's family sounds super homophobic. The fact that she gets along with her siblings yet goes along with her future in-laws stupid demands. The in-laws can pay for the homophobic wedding. Good on OP for sticking up for his kids & their families Story 3: NTA. He told OP when it was too late & she had plans. He CHOSE to go hang out with his friends instead of doing the cupcakes himself. Actions have consequences & he needs to learn that mommy & daddy aren't going to always be there when something goes wrong. Also, it isn't hard to make cupcakes! Grab the box mix & some icing & follow the directions.

[@slick8086]

Story 1: I think it is a little close minded to think that there are "no compromises" OPs SO may be willing to be in a mentorship program like Big Brothers or a scout leader or a little league coach, or any number of programs that will help him be at peace with not having a kid of his own. OP also doesn't mention whether or not adoption is a possibility. Also OP is making a HUGE mistake thinking that she knows her husbands heart better than he does. IF he treats her badly because of his feelings about kids then she can decide to leave him based on that but second guessing his decision is a complete asshole thing to do.

[@catT5236]

Story 3: JFC! The kid is 17 not 7. If I'd pulled that shite at his age I would have been grounded for abandoning my responsibilities to hang out with friends & on top of that being a brat about it & blaming my Mum. I would have probably lost my phone privileges too. Even if my Mun wasn't going anywhere she wouldn't have baked those cupcakes for me.

[@michamocha]

Story 1: As Mark likes to say, communication saves the day again lmao. It's a bonus that he is also having a self realization and going to therapy to unpack it. At the end of the day, only he would know what he wants and Op will just have to take his words for it. I kind of wish conversations like this was more common and that people have the common sense to not date someone with a completely different standpoint than their partner. Not everything can be compromised.

[@YellaBellaReno]

I hope those last two stories both get updates!

[@kateworkman921]

Story 2 - I'd have just told the kid to get his friend and/or the friend's mom to help make the cupcakes, if it's so important he still goes to hang out with said friend. Yeah, it sucks to not do something you want to do because of responsibilities, but hey, that's life.

[@MusketeerGweneth]

There is in fact a compromise to having kids and you can be a parent without having a child; adopt a cat or dog or both!

[@magnarcreed3801]

Depends on why they don’t want kids. If it’s a biological reason, great compromise. If it’s you don’t want something loud and needy… yeah won’t work.

[@jakeand9020]

That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

[@crimsongrapefruit9110]

I happy that the couple in story 1 stayed together, I was worried it would end.

[@sydneys207]

"I hope you'll be understanding, because I sure as shit won't be." And to the wife who thinks this is being there... you can be there, without paying for it.

[@AutumnFire1414]

Story 3: OP definitely needs to stand her ground. Oldest kid needs to learn that this type of behavior will bite him in the a** in college. He will need to keep track of deadlines, of admission requirements, etc. He will learn the hard way if he doesn't shape up now. A commenter said one of my favorite sayings: A lack of planning on your part does not constitute a crisis on mine.

[@paulinadeboer3604]

story 1 if you don't want them don't take them. My youngest told me a view months ago she wil be childfree. She knows herself wel. my other daughter want children and i think it is a good choice for her. (she is always teaching neighbor kids thinks like math, spelling etc. babysitter of the neighbors kids.) My youngest doesn't have this, she is introvert likes quiet times a lot. children ar fun for a few hours not 24/7. i love them both and respect their choices.

[@indicolina]

My daughter has done the same with the cupcake thing, except it was the class room morning tea and if they wernt made the class would miss out. Not like a bake sale where it would mean one item less for them to sell. SO 4am I got up and made 35 flippen cupcakes, extra to be sure everyone was covered. Next time it happened, I got up at 4am and got her up to make them, and I went back to bed.