I Made an eBike that Crushes Everything else

[@peterb7585]

It's definitely time for a new build keeps ppl tuned in !!! Love your content.!!! 🎉

[@brandinojam24]

The P-51 bullet is a gorgeous bike. The frame and components appear ready to handle powerful upgrades.

[@plokmko0]

72v and suspension upgrade is in keeping with the value vibe of your channel

[@Zirassi]

The only problem with 72v on this build is that if he exceeds the 1500w limit his controller is currently set to, he risks damaging the nylon gears in his bafang motor. It should hold up fine at its current power level (bafang motors are known for holding double their continuous rated power in normal use, despite their nylon gears), but AFAIK going past 1500w is asking for trouble. I suppose he could swap to metal gears if he doesn't mind the noise. Imo a new build would be a better idea. I actually think a Wired Cruiser build would be cool- he could use the stock battery/controller/screen to upgrade a different bike, and slap a big 72v battery and beefy controller on the cruiser to find out just how robust its metal reinforced gears are lol.

[@willie671]

@@Zirassi nah these motors can handle a shit ton. i run 3000 watts sometimes on mine hehe. my motor isnt even a bafang, its a chinese unlabeled copy of a G60. but the problem is just temperature. at room temp you can run them at 3000 watts easily, just with a gentle start. but after the motor is around 50c then the gears will start softening and you can hear them skipping in the motor when starting. just gotta be mindful of temp and these motors are great :)

[@redbatch100]

The Wallke H6 is what I dream of using as the base for a beach cruiser/ camping companion. Folding, cargo space, and with a back seat- even better. I'm a bit fearful to start ordering stuff before knowing if it will even fit in the frame and videos like this are a huge help to know what is possible!

[@zakanderson64]

Your build is so clean, but for my mountain biking use case I went with a bbs02 with a 52v battery and upping the amps to 22 makes it reach ~32mph on an old cheap full suspension mountain bike frame. I'm not confident pushing anymore than ~1200w out of the motor and I've reached the point of diminishing returns as well. It's been a year since building it and I've loved it but I will be retiring the bike this summer and building a nicer bike with a cyc x1 stealth and up the wattage to 2600 with a 52v battery. Keep up the content, your video quality has improved so much over the months!

[@Altema22]

Similar build here: RadMini fat tire folder, Phaserunner, dual Tesla batteries, 3000 watts peak, 40mph. Downside is it's a hardtail, but a Suntour seat post mitigates some of that. Upside is it looks stock, throttle is buttery smooth and precise, park rangers smile and wave, and it out-climbs pretty much any mid drive e-bike unless it's a dedicated mountain e-bike. I was tempted to go with a 3k motor, but that motor weighs 48 pounds, mine only weighs 9. Thanks for the video!

[@icantbelieveitsnotbuttersw2624]

Hey, wanted to know did you keep the stock motor? if yes, is it a 500w? And how much can you stress it? Wanted to mod up my lectric xp 3.0 but no one has done anything to the stock motor so I've no idea where to start but I think I can emulate this build

[@goingoutotheparty1]

Do it man! perfect Frame and suspension choice

[@Astroboy_91x]

I just purchased this bike because of you lol

[@chuyskywlk]

Been eyeballing the P-51 since it came out for the same exact reasons. Wonder frame for modding, great suspension.

[@miningking70]

Love your videos and knowledge of information. I watched your videos for years! You have come a long way. Bro you are strong 💪 and the force is with you 🙇🏼! Video shows your skills, flawless victory 🙌🏻! The Grin Tech Controller! Nice video replacing stock parts w/extreme duty parts! 👌🏽

[@ebikeupgrades]

Super cool upgrade and episode...love that higher voltage and hidden controller in the tube frame tip, real nice stuff NPL Ventures :)

[@katon4525]

I'd love to see you tackle a brand new bike build! Would make for a lot of good informative video content too.

[@lukewalker1051]

My vote would be to move on to the next bike and mod it to 72v. Thanks for the retro review. You did well with your current bike.

[@corykayhoe1033]

Sick bike

[@oldmanebikes8392]

P51 definitely. I wish I could get one of them and do 72v to

[@ianewen6339]

Have enjoyed watching your videos on your ebike, I also have a Chinese folder , Mk1 2021 Engwe engine pro , have ridden 4000 miles on stock parts, but like you have done , im going to upgrade . Probably use Grin parts like yourself .....fingers crossed with your video it should go together okay 👍

[@charliechuckleberry5307]

I pre-purchased a WIRED FREEDOM just now. It makes me feel better that you think it's the best bang for your buck.

[@beddamade]

I would love to see more upgrades on the bike you have. I have been thinking about the C3strom. I like that bike as well. I have a Letric XP 3.0 Extended Range. I have been thinking about selling it since I bought the Engwe Pro Upgraded version.

[@DrewK971]

Where are ya located?

[@beddamade]

@@DrewK971 I'm in Oklahoma city.

[@DrewK971]

@@beddamade ah dang, too far West, I'm in PA and am in the market for a longer range e-bike, I've got my original XP 1.0

[@ballandpaddle]

Glad to hear your awesome bike held up. I ride a 52V BBSHD-equipped Trek hybrid bike, top speed is at least 32 mph, though I probably can't get there as fast as your bike would. I can't stress enough how important a big battery and really good tires are. Kept getting rear flats until I went with Schwalbe Marathon E-Plus and zero flats since. That P51 looks sick, wonder what it would take to put a 5000W CYC Gen 3 Pro on it. Hmm....

[@dennisvoltaire1146]

That CYC kit is hot

[@inimicalintent8825]

Still think this was your best ebike. People keep saying the folding aspect is gimmicky, but I can actually fit that bike folded into my small sedan. You can't do that with a Wired Freedom or a moped type. And I think it blends in pretty well for recreation multi use trail riding. It looks pretty much like a common BMX bike, especially with those handlebars.

[@katiekumcgil]

on my enduro ebike i put a second motor on the front ,its a bafang 500 front hub motor,and its running on 82 volt 60 ah battery and 45 amp unlocked sabvoton set to 100 amps ,i use it only for flat roads as for sure it will over heat if on hills,but it flies,50 mph is the limit ive taken the little motor as i ment it to be for lower speed cruising,but shows these little motors can handle alot more power

[@buffalomind6838]

I think the P-51 with its open frame can accommodate a custom 60-70 amp 72V’s. And the motor should be upgraded to a 3000w that peaks at 6. I see the e-bikes that say 18,000, but I don’t know if that is good on the motor. 6000 is plenty.

[@Jhovan33]

There are a lot of dual hub motors sub 2k now. I think i'm waiting for those to develop. Better power and hill climbing.

[@brandinojam24]

It's nice that the phaserunner controller fits inside the tube. Unfortunately the controller from NB Power was too large to fit inside my Lectric 3.0 or I would have done the same.

[@EssPhour]

Definitely get your hands on a P-51, maybe you could get one from them without the battery and rear hub motor for a savings. I totally agree its suspension put's it in a league of its own, at least as far as E-pedal type scramblers, I know people are finding upgraded shocks for some of the other brands, but they still look to be limited in overall travel based on the original design and geometry of their rear swing arms. Something I've been watching for is for somebody to do a mid-drive setup, its probably been done and I just haven't come across it, but I'm super curious about how one would perform.

[@CeboAquatics]

nice . keep making it better .. i will stay tuned. ... question: are you using both batteries with blender? or just the battery you upgraded too?

[@trini_boi2414]

If i could get this build done to my bike I'll be very happy..i have the same style folding ebike and this is definitely something I'll like to try..btw good video and I'll be looking into a future build of my own

[@anthony_786]

I for one would like to see you upgrade the P51 to its max potential

[@balljaw7554]

Do a dual battery in parallel build with a programmable controller

[@darkmanx2g]

You're correct the best ebike is a DIY but not the far tire folding platform. But the best platform is a mountain bike. 😊

[@garysanchezphotography]

I would like to see what else you can do with the Crooked Path ebike.

[@stan121midling5]

i have a Addmotor M-340, was wondering what i can do to up this for more power and range ?

[@beddamade]

Have you road the Engwe Pro Upgraded version? It has a 48v 16.4ah battery with a 750w motor. With me on it at 315lbs I have gotten the bike to over 30MPH. The motor does peaks to 1Kw. It also has full suspension. Check it out. The bike was just under 1700 dollars with an extra 48v 16ah battery.

[@X1GenKaneShiroX]

I say that the best electric bike for about $2k is one with very large watt hours capacity. I can’t stress enough how important huge watt hours capacity is in a bike. The Eahora Romeo or the Aniioki A8 Pro Max are the best electric bikes for around the $2k mark. Custom made DIY electric bikes are good too though I never tried one before.

[@snoozeuloose]

need to look at the new wired i have two of them and the newest one has some upgrades 60 v battery 40 amp controller its a beast for 2 k

[@slimdunkin117]

@@snoozeuloose it’s ugly tho

[@andrewstephens2687]

@@slimdunkin117 that just means it will be more stealth when your "pretty" bike and others like it get them all banned/regulated

[@slimdunkin117]

@@andrewstephens2687 mine looks more normal than the wired..it’s a xxl mountain bike frame with a mid drive.. The wired doesn’t look stealth at all, battery stands out, and huge ugly tires stand out..whole thing is a mess

[@andrewstephens2687]

@@slimdunkin117 oh well I can agree with it being less stealth than that, but you said it was ugly, and that's a stupid shallow consumerist value to have. I don't respect people who value form over function.

[@plokmko0]

The Wired Freedom would be a nice comp to test against your bike build and a nice platform to upgrade as an ebike with the bigger tires which I am a " Big " fan of ... 😀

[@DavidHunanyan]

How would you compare your bike setup with the Lectric Xpedition with 2 batteries? (want to start a food delivery gig in LA area)

[@soandsononame8750]

First of all a prebuilt will only go like 28mph tops and if you are trying to deliver in a busy city you want unlocked speed 35+mph keeping up with cars

[@pascalj4331]

Your bike is awesome. My perfect frame would be that style, with bottle cage mounts built in. So you could keep internal battery and add yours. "battery blender" to use both. Dual motor mod would be cool. Not sure about P51. Frame looks a bit better than super73, but small wheels seem to waste space. No pedaling or cargo rack means waste of a bike even if the frame could be sturdy enough to hold batteries.

[@dougdevine]

Ever consider running the factory battery as well with a blender?

[@simedogz]

please please please try upgrading the rear suspension, there are so many options on the market and very few reviewers have delved into that market

[@quantumfx2677]

I'm really liking the Ristretto 512 First Edition. With their fine tuned cyc motor, bigger battery and select power for law restrictions I think they have a winner! And for compact and power I like the road runner pro even tho it's not a ebike.

[@flolou8496]

Can you tell the difference between bikes that have some carbon steel parts from those that are just regular aluminum?

[@keesbey9555]

Move on to the next bike 😊

[@davidhuggins3892]

It's funny how sometimes the GoPro or whatever cam your using doesn't really capture steepness of hills. I'd say that's my only fault when I look back at my vids on my channel. The hills look way steeper in real life.

[@CeboAquatics]

i would like to see that p51 upgraded too.

[@anamemana]

Also I think a big selling point of this kind of bike is the safety that comes with it carrying it's weight much closer to the ground than mountain bikes especially with weight on the cargo rack it's only a few inches but feels like a world of difference.

[@soandsononame8750]

20” wheels are kinda squirrelly tbh , especially with those weird telescoping stems that a lot of folders come with

[@clintwedel5704]

Maybe integrate a torque sensor PAS in your next build. the cycle analyst supports it and I think you will be suprised how much more range a little pedaling will get you.

[@Hoggdoc1946]

He rarely pedals.

[@clintwedel5704]

@@Hoggdoc1946 pedaling with cadence pas sucks and encouraged throttling, but torque sensor makes it fun.

[@nicod974]

Isn't the phase runner just a proprietary esc?

[@opinions551]

looking for a great ebike for the money. need some info from a pro. would like full suspension and duel motors. any ideas.

[@Clever_Motel]

Whats the best option for someone who wants an electric recumbent?

[@Mackx7]

What's your next e-bike is going to be? talaria sting R or custom build ?

[@Kaveman0331]

Awesome video man! I have an Ariel Rider D class that I’m looking to get some more juice out of, do you know if I’ll need to controllers for the dual motor setup?

[@soandsononame8750]

Yes

[@joelresto.juuntitledgtuu4i435]

New build. Make the crooked back to stock and keep the all the upgrades parts and put them on the p51. Ramp the power of the stock motor close to 2kw and see what kind of performance you get. Suspension on p51 is absolutely the best but like you said the stock performance with that $3.8k asking price is way too steep for that bike. I like the new lyric graffiti 2023 for now. Under $3k and you get a bike that will go around 33 to 35mph.

[@HappyCampersRescueRanch]

What about the YYG Br100 frame ? Its got a 1200w motor, if I get a phaserunner will I get more top speed?

[@RustyHandle23]

heh this is what i think and i don't expect NPL to read this comment that being said i have been watching the channel since towards the end of the mtn ebike build then i followed the channel from the Crooked Path e Bike build and the trail riding and allowing your friend to ride it and doing riding videos putting the ebike you built up to use i would love to see another bike upgrade build series take a mid or low end bike and just go ham on it take what you learned and apply them to help improve your next build don't go and buy and high end bike just to put front and rear shocks that would be lame plus not to mention there isn't much content with that i mean if you wanna buy that bike or have it sent to you as a promo for that company is one thing but for me to do just two upgrades is a bit underwhelming again at the end of the day its your money you spend it how you see fit another idea is to buy a frame off of aliexpress or another site like it then start hand pick the parts you want to use for it show from the start of the brain storm of what you have in mind to making a part list that you will need to going threw and buying the parts, unboxing the parts, building the ebike up that is what i would recommend another way to look at it is a channel on here called "mighty car mods" notice how each car for the most part they go threw swap a few parts some more then others but at the end of it it feels like you went on a journey with them and said car or truck ........ this comment has gone on way longer then i intended it to and for that i am sorry and i truly hope NPL reads this if so hi and keep up the videos love seeing what you do

[@soandsononame8750]

Agreed , buying an electric dirtbike is not unique or interesting, can go watch 200 videos from other people that are better. Build something unique

[@sambryant2150]

Next bike for sure

[@Zirassi]

It's funny to see this video when my Wired Freedom will arrive in 6 or 7 days. I think there's a lot to be said in favor of your crooked path build for someone who particularly wants that smaller folding form factor, but that doesn't mean a wired freedom is "the next best thing". First of all, the motor is NOT exactly the same. The Custom Hengtai motor in the Wired is rated for 1000w continuous (33% more than your bafang) and has metal reinforced gears rated for 27000 km, and is actually covered by a warranty at the power levels we're discussing. Secondly, is 1500w really "very similar" to 2000 (actually 2100+ according to reviewers fyi)? Why phrase it like that? Otherwise, I appreciate the recap on your build. I was torn between doing something like your build, buying a 48v 35 to 60 AH battery bike, and grabbing a Wired Freedom. I went out and test rode some Aventon bikes to compare 20 x 4 and 26 x 4 tire sizes. I discovered I love the immense stability of 26 x 4 so I bought a Wired Freedom.

[@DriverJ-N]

Why do you say that the suspension on the p51 is a little better than the surron etc?

[@NPLVentures]

Rear geometry is a bit better and it has fat tires that really help out

[@Jolly-Green-Steve]

Aniioki A8 Pro Max 52v?

[@slimdunkin117]

What’s the stock peak wattage of the motor? And is the 1500w peak or nominal?

[@nicod974]

I think peak, if it's a 750w geared hub motor...

[@snoozeuloose]

i have two wired bikes and there grrrrreat !!!

[@joshpointoh]

So many frames are better for less than 3 grand, find a better platform and do a new project with a new focus. Speed, acceleration, tricks, hills, offroad, exercise, range, you know, something like one of those. I'd love to see the quickest hill-slaying Cafe Racer around, or a super long range bike that can haul a jet ski

[@gl7cks870]

i would definitely buy this but the fact that im canadian and it would cost alot more than 2000$ to upgrade and buy the ebike

[@luchi767]

But you can barley keep up with traffic. I like having extra power to get out of situations

[@DanielCrist]

As a motorcycle rider, I would say that your next upgrade should immediately be very large and bright front and rear turn indicators - especially if you're going to be riding in the streets at speeds faster than a Tour de France cyclist. Us motorcyclists are already invisible to car drivers even with obnoxiously loud engines, but you with the silent bike are goddamn Harry Potter sneaking around the castle at night, so protect yourself! Having a brake light also helps keep you from becoming a horizontal Banksy. It looks like you might have a small setup for all of this on the rear at least, but that's tiny and too hidden under the seat. If you need to get an antibody shop to weld you a little bracket on the back and front. Trust me, you want a big setup that will be visible from a few car lengths away from the higher seating angle and whose light will actually be visible during the day. Also drivers will just think of you as less of a dick if you're using large, obvious indicator lights Finally maybe just get yourself a waterproof Bluetooth speaker that's really loud and play music while you ride so other drivers notice you faster. I have the Wonderboom 2, and this thing is fucking LOUD for the size, with loads of bass for the size. I think you can even connect two to one device to act as left and right channels, but just ONE is enough for me to hear over my bike engine driving around town doing 35-45, and the battery lasts for hours. Enjoy cruising and stay safe.

[@diysolaradventures7894]

I noticed u saying everything except the original wattage of the ebike motor it self

[@StevenWilliams-bu3ft]

I've got a ecotric Fat tire and needs to be fixed up I'll send pics if anyone is interested in taking it off my hands for operational and running one but I would love to fix it up just need some good advice and ideas 💡

[@jaderainhans9095]

at that price ur better off buying newer bike model that have a 52 volt battery that 60 AH topping at 110 mile with throttle only . i dont use pedal assist beside for hills

[@super_1337]

I pretty much copied your build except I got a 72volt 19ah battery. I already have a powerful mid drive ebike, but it's too loud. I prefer the stealth of a hub motor

[@insidemanDMV]

Let’s do a new build!

[@jfly2249]

Dude, the Wired Freedom has dual suspension, 60volt 40amp controller with a 20amp hr LG battery that goes 38mph had over 2000 watts peak and is $1999. They also have a step thru cruiser with the drivetrain and they are based in Chicago. You can pick your bike up locally if you live nearby.

[@soandsononame8750]

Sold out all summer

[@jimmyelliott7473]

Ok your key components motor, bms, battery and display. The battery being the hardest part to choose because you have to insure it's well made. No one wants a battery fire due to cheap battery cells and over charging. When you look around battery voltages are on the rise. Soon 60 and 70 volts batteries will be the norm. The bike you built is perfect for the range and price. With your bike you can go anywhere you want and nobody is going to give you a second look. What more could you ask for 😂

[@TheGrayWolf81]

Stay very far away from UnitPackPower, their batteries are outright dangerous, and the company itself likes to lie. EM3EV is one of several very reputable battery manufacturers that I recommend.

[@soandsononame8750]

I have like 5 upp batteries they are cheap Chinese generic cells, not the best, but they don’t ALL go up in flames like the louis rossman fanboys seem to believe

[@neutronpcxt372]

If there was one upgrade I'd do on this, it would be to change the tires for some proper road tires. The difference is honestly outstanding when going from MTB style tires to proper road tires.

[@XxF8lessxX]

I wanna see an upgraded lectric xpedition, like my comment to agree!

[@THEPAINOFITALL]

Controller is $$$, 😳

[@Shadowmyths1]

new bike

[@Hoggdoc1946]

why would you even consider that next bike at $3800. That's way too much for that bike. Also don't think I have ever seen you go off road so why is the suspension important to you?

[@soandsononame8750]

Idk 🤷‍♂️ about the suspension, could get away with a suspension seat post

[@johnconnor6725]

Upgraded NOT built ! My handmade e bike goes 40mph and I'm into it for under $800

[@backyardr.c.channel4732]

With the new federal bike regulations coming I would be Leary of dropping big money into an e bike. At least until you know what laws are going to be. Anything over $2000 I would consider a street legal motorcycle whether electric or gas.

[@bog963]

comment for the algorithm

[@Attilathahun46]

this did not crush any competition.

[@skyliner4610]

you wasted the whole thing by not using dual battery setup. Dislike