I made my own Ryzen 7000 Direct-Die Water Block

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Outro:
Dylan Sitts feat. HDBeenDope - For The Record (Dylan Sitts Remix)
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Samples used in this video:
- Thermal Grizzly Mycro Direct-Die RGB
- Thermal Grizzly AM5 High Performance Heatspreader
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:37 First design drafts
3:14 "Not good enough"
4:11 AM5 High Performance Heatspreader
4:58 Diamond-milled precision surface
7:47 The "cold welding test"
8:58 AM5 Direct-Die Water Cooler
9:10 Mounting the High Performance Heatspreader
10:41 Test methodology
11:23 Temperatures of the High Performance Heatspreader
11:47 Temperatures with the AM5 Adapter & Offset Mounting Kit
12:22 The AM5 Mycro Direct Die RGB
13:39 Non-RGB version
14:08 AM5 Mycro Direct Die: Temperatures
14:48 KryoSheet graphene thermal pads
15:58 Fin widths, slot widths & depths tested
17:21 Summary/Conclusion
19:13 Outro

[@Saixoz]

Clean definitely looks better. One thing about the clean is also that if people wanted to etch their own design into it afterwards, it would be a lot easier and work better.

[@SrSamuerto]

Yeah, I would love to make my signature design on this, which would probably be a screwdriver mark from dropping into it.

[@Marin3r101]

​@@SrSamuerto thats not etching clown.

[@earthtaurus5515]

Agreed, clean version.

[@earthtaurus5515]

@@boots6384 Reduced machine time is also better for lead time during mass production too.

[@digitaltactics9234]

​@@SrSamuertoA hex key, also known as an Allen key or Allen wrench, is a small handheld tool that's used for for driving bolts and screws with a hexagonal socket. 👍= no scratch. Admitting that you scratch things is in the the TOS of the Direct-Die Water Block = we can't sell to you. Thanks for looking & watching though. NO BLOCK FOR YOU ONE YEAR!!! 🤣

[@Hephera]

the sticking force between two flat pieces of metal isnt actually cold welding. you need a vacuum in order to cold-weld metal because otherwise there is an oxide layer on the surface of the metal that prevents welding. The correct term is "wringing" and the mechanism of why it works isnt actually very well understood, but is thought to be a combination of intermolecular attraction (ie van der walls force) and the surface tension of water vapor in the air that gets trapped between the two surfaces.

[@gremfive4246]

That was the term (wringing) I was taught when putting gauge blocks together for measuring.

[@IrocZIV]

@David Mrázek So could you "wring" silicon and copper? Might be interesting for OC'ing, though thermal expansion might be an issue I suppose.

[@guy_autordie]

Why it is hard to pull when it's wringing together is also because the space between the two pieces is so low that it act as vacuum. Cold welding, as said above, in total vacuum, which is a problem for satellites and other space relates stuff.

[@not_sure_about_that_but]

bro I swear this mfing van der walls force is everywhere

[@youkofoxy]

To clarify, vacuum welding happen due the lack of a material barrier and after the oxide layer is removed due friction.

[@dragos-lucian]

I love this channel. Every time these guys come up with something new to impress us. That WB looks clean AF

[@volvo09]

Yeah, that's beauuuuuutifullll!

[@der8auer-en]

Thank you! Happy to hear

[@criznittle968]

yeah it's nb af

[@najeebshah.]

@@criznittle968 nb?

[@dimitrivforvictory271]

@@der8auer-enhey mate will you be making a waterblock for LGA1700 that works with your contact frame? So no need to delid?

[@johnmcdonald8943]

I like the idea of the graphine sheet, most of us into water cooling are not over the top but want something cool, stable and play a little with over clocking.

[@Skylancer727]

Agreed. I don't like the idea of liquid metal personally. It's hard to work with, requires extra prepping, may require a repasting shortly after as it amalgamates with the surface, and can short things if not dealt with properly. Though to be fair, he didn't say the graphene pads are conductive or not.

[@ThomasD66]

@@Skylancer727 Graphene is a semiconductor.

[@Hephera]

@@ThomasD66 graphene is an incredibly good conductor, not a semiconductor.

[@ThomasD66]

@@Hephera What makes it a semiconductor is not it's relative conducitivity but that it's conductance rises with increasing temperature,

[@primodragoneitaliano]

@@g73737 Totally. Plus it also works for more casual users who just want the best possible cooling performance without resorting to liquid metal, custom loops, etc......

[@gwenryanmillett]

Seeing an independent KZbinr make such high quality hardware is always impressive

[@riba2233]

Not really independent but yeah, still awesome

[@ahmedfarouk3912]

He's an engineer in thermal grizzly, I think

[@riba2233]

@@ahmedfarouk3912 he is more than that :)

[@RealGreyGhost]

@@ahmedfarouk3912 He's CEO of Thermal Grizzly. He runs the company.

[@-opus]

He is a Thermal Grizzly.

[@sportsfamily77]

Worked for a german automotive parts supplier for a long time. We would mill and single point burnish ballpins for control arms on cars. We controlled for roughness using ra, rz, rdq, and rmax. Our tighest tolerance was 0.005 to 0.03 µm. We had a fancy light based measuring machine that would calculate the roughness based on the reflection angle of a laser. We also had a pretty standard probe dragging machine that would profile the part and measure the height of the tooling lines. Definitely interesting to see surface roughness brought up outside of that manufacturing environment.

[@jaystheone1]

Thermal Grizzly AM5 High Performance Heatspreader, need this now!

[@droknron]

That CPU block you've made looks really nice, I genuinely would buy that for my next build based on aesthetics alone.

[@digitaltactics9234]

if your not scared oh de-lidding cpu remember you have to delid to use them. But have seen der8auer floss method & heat not sure he was the first but saw that he showed Steve. The block looks so clean I do not even like rgb much but that looks nice as well if that's your thing. I am on the 5800x3D seem like to much work and more chance of breaking it than theses new cpus. 👍

[@panzer3279]

@@digitaltactics9234 I think both Intel and AMD should start offering bare die SKUs for the K/X CPUs. In fact, it doesn't require any more effort and should cost less.

[@sinsiliuxs120]

​@@panzer3279 I remember reading somewhere that they can't due to some regulations/laws (probably safety related)

[@absolutesadlad2297]

The Diamond Cut Results are incredibly impressive. absolutely will be looking into your Direct Die solution for AM5 when it's available. Also very happy for you Roman. it's been awesome to see your catalog of products grow & your engineering results over the years. if anybody could innovate in the Water Cooling market, it's certainly you. your passion for the hobby has always been inspiring.

[@RobKen89]

Loving the engineering you're putting into this, with the idea that AM5 will be around for a good while this is actually something that would likely get a fair few years of use from and possibly even over different motherboards and CPUs. Awesome work

[@JosiahBradley]

Really nice work. Love seeing the prototypes and thought process for manufacturing.

[@fightocondria]

I love seeing the technical details behind some of this stuff. Thanks so much for what you do.

[@sachak]

You guys are absolute legends! That water block not only looks incredible it performs phenomenally!

[@TCPUDPATM]

Delid helps too :P

[@stuntvist]

Would be cool if you could fit a DDC pump on top of the block. Could be a fun project for ITX nerds who are willing to delid.

[@Antioch18x]

Agree. Would love if I could get a ddc mount top for that block.

[@nonchalanto]

This is amazing!! Will absolutely buy it - and I LOVE the clean aesthetic. I’m so happy you went logo-free. You’re killing it!

[@madb132]

Roman, You just keep pushing the boundaries, Love it. I know my upgrade for my new water block. Perfection, loving the look. Thank you.

[@sunmethods]

i had literally added the am5 delidding tool and direct die frame to my pcpartpicker list YESTERDAY, so this was amazing timing - i will absolutely be using this RGB block when it becomes available. seeing this part so easily removable at 13:15 made me immediately do a "hell yeah" for spraypainting purposes

[@FreedomForAll2013]

Be careful with it, the die is easy to crack... good luck

[@Eduardo1007]

Steve and GN team delided one of the defective chips with the flossing + heat method, is it less risky to crack the die?

[@cristiant6566]

good stuff, keep pushing the envelope to keep the big boys on their toes DB

[@DJSammy69.]

Amazing craftsmanship! Well done, Roman!

[@SharkUte]

This is very exciting stuff for casual overclocking at home ! Thanks for bringing your creativity forward to us !

[@user-oc9tq3wh1m]

That water block looks so good, I love the clean logo less aesthetic and the rgb is very tasteful. Well done!

[@barkindustry8150]

Wow!!! I don't think many people can actually appreciate the amount of design and CNC goes into something like this. Love it!

[@vvb890]

Incredible work man. Love how much pride you take in quality and workmanship.

[@MrJackPL]

Love the thinking and engineering process behind this products ❤ great video

[@tomtheaged]

This is exactly what i have been waiting for! I wanted to delid and direct die cool, but didnt want to hassle with the mounting. This fixes all of that! Thank you sooooo much for working on this and bringing it to market! You are my favorite product developer ever, Thank you again!

[@joethedestroyer4309]

Agreed, I was curious about direct die but the questions surrounding mounting held me back. Now the main question is, when will this be available? I've been waiting a month now to get cpu block from another-manufacture-whom-I-shall-not-name, and expect another month of waiting before I actually get it. If I can get this direct die unit within a similar time frame, I would definitely do so.

[@MlnscBoo]

8:30 This is known as Van Der Walls Force. Created by "Shear Force". A good explanation on it is on Varitasium's youtube channel on a recent video called "The Stickiest *Non-Sticky* Substance" at 6:15 in that video

[@steveseybolt]

As always excellent Content. I really enjoyed how simply you explained the process and the issues that one must consider when making these products. Thank you !

[@spuchoa]

This is what I want for Christmas!. Amazing work der8auer.

[@johni-db4xv]

This almost makes me want to upgrade to AM5 just to use your gear 😅. Very impressive all the thought and engineering you put into these solutions for fellow enthusiasts. And delivering quality at a reasonable price is outstanding.

[@fracturedlife1393]

Your engineering space is impressive, always excited to see what you're up to. Must be horrible waking up in the middle of the night with a potentially great idea AND having access to make whatever you thought of! I'd never sleep.

[@ItsMeProday83]

Impressive results man, keep up with great job!

[@AKMcF]

Great work Roman, precision engineering, love it !

[@cppctek]

Huge respect for the dedication and time you put in. Huge gains too. Smooth finish looks best but the rub is my fav! Cant wait for intel!!!

[@-gg8342]

The rgb looks great!!! What a clean design!!!!

[@NederlandsPersoon]

Looks very nice, and very much enjoyed watching the design and engineering process behind it

[@Leo99929]

Incredible work! Well done all involved.

[@tonys4039]

This is exactly the design of a replacement heat spreader I was hoping for. It's absolutely gorgeous. And yet, somehow, the direct die cooler looks even cleaner.

[@TryhardTechy]

this is awesome! I love to see the different approaches and iteration leading up to these products and the results truly speak for themselves. I would love to see what the direct die water block can do with a 7950X3D. with ~30C temp drops I would imagine both CCD's would be able to get quite the jump in performance.

[@rata536]

Well the X3D CPUs don't boost to the thermal limit, nor can be overclocked, so there won't be much gain in terms of performance; it's the bare X CPUs that boost to the thermal limit. But still, having that MASSIVE leap down on temperature is far too tempting to ignore.

[@robertwatt7494]

Love the channel! Been waiting on this to start my new AM5 rig build!

[@hando87]

Excellent work. Thank you for your dedication and thorough explanation.

[@UbergamR447]

Hey Derbauer! love yor videos! cheers :) *Edit: I like the clean (not striped) version of the waterblock a bit more :)

[@BleepBlop-rh9lm]

I'll definitely buy it. I've already delidded my 7950x using your delid tool :)

[@TheOlaf78]

That is an awesome waterblock, looks really good. I like the one without lines it has the cleanest look. Keep up the good work 👍👍👍

[@cjroush8563]

I would love to see this application applied to the 7800 x3d. Being that the stacked die gets plenty hot

[@yonson_racing]

Prefer clean, but either would be fine. Nice, can't wait for the intel version to be available!!!

[@OMGJL]

you can just use contact frame and the IHS sanding tool.

[@yonson_racing]

@@OMGJL How is that going to allow direct die cooling???

[@OMGJL]

@@yonson_racing how much of a performance difference would you end up with?

[@mattajiaDvertyo]

You are about to launch a new product series and still found a way to make the video super informative with applied phisics, good job!

[@Owenzzz777]

Absolutely incredible! Love the small footprint of the water block. And I definitely prefer the clean/blank version over the striped one

[@Aesir247]

Thermal Grizzly have produced some incredible products over the years. Products I believe work better than the competition, and if nothing else, is easier to get a hold of. Seeing TG moving into the watercooling space gets me incredibly excited. I'm so curious to see what DB and the guys can bring to "up the WC game". This new block looks like a really promising step in that direction! To answer your question DB, I prefer the clean look with the RGB - mostly because if I want to I can just turn off the RGB. However, over the options provided, I'd prefer a nickel-plated version, I just think that looks so much better.

[@MrKony98]

It's a waterblock, not pump. It's not an AIO

[@Aesir247]

@@MrKony98 Yeah I know, I typed the wrong word :P It's been edited now for clarity. Cheers!

[@AdamsWorlds]

Well done for keeping on innovating der8auer! I like the smooth finish personally. Your clip on cover gives me an idea. What if you were to make it so people could "clip in" a design of there own some place that could then be illuminated? You could provide a blanking plate that stops the light and leaves a flat finish and a 3D printed file on a website people can edit and then print own inserts. Maybe partner up with someone who offers a 3D printing service? Or like that would even cut out a design and send it. Another way to make a custom design in the slot would be a simple printed design that a vinyl sticker that just goes over a clear plate.

[@floodo1]

great idea

[@toddbrewer683]

Love these vids of your expertise in engineering. Thanks!

[@jimmyjames6023]

Very impressive. Clean look for sure. I'm ready to deck my system out in some der8auer gear!

[@xKold]

@der8auer-en Any insight into why CPU mfg's don't just allow us to purchase cpu's without the oem heatspreader? I mean realistically if companys, such as yourself, just sold us direct die contact solutions, the mfg would save money on manufacturing and we would get lower temps / better performance / longer lifespans etc. Love the ingenuity. You're making a difference!

[@JustDizzq]

If I remember it right. Back in the day mfg's actually sold cpus without a heatspreader but some customers break their cpu die when mounting the cooler. So they put a heatspreader on for easy mounting of coolers so customers dont break their cpus.

[@alb.1911]

Fantastic, I hope we will be able to buy a delidded CPU too as kit!

[@--_DJ_--]

I wouldn't hold your breath on that, maybe a delidding tool as a kit but I don't see him selling delidded CPUs.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

That would be awesome. Since I don't have the nerve to delid on my own.

[@El.Duder-ino]

Excellent new product from Thermal Grizzly folks. I really like how r open about what they develop and offer to their community. Well done Roman double thumbs up👍👍

[@qpn6ph9q]

Not only the best tech KZbinr but a talented engineer! I love this channel ❤

[@pete00078]

Awesome, well done. I've been waiting for this. how would the temps be with a normal thermal paste vs the graphene sheet? Would the direct die mount work with the Velocity 2 block?

[@paskowitz]

One thing I would consider doing is a diamond cut chamfer around the perimeter of the anodized metal top of the water block. This way you get a shiny surface to reflect some external light. I understand the desire to do everything as clean as possible, but I think some visual design flare is important. I would also consider including your logo. I would machine it into the surface before it is anodized so that it is discrete.

[@bluephreakr]

If some of the acrylic piece had text cut into it at an angle with stickers, it could cast lettering on the board for branding sake as a shadow which can be a removable option by an end-user while still looking clean.

[@DiscardedGod]

i love this, the precision and dedication

[@chaiseballotti9124]

that thing looks amazing! great work

[@MichaelGaidamaka]

Roman, your ideas are fantastic! I believe the next step could be to build a pump into the plate for SFF enthusiasts like myself.

[@iamdmc]

that could potentially work and just be an upgrade for the block... but you're also adding more head pressure right at the CPU block which will mean you're relying on the O-ring a lot more and will make leaks more likely IMHO SFF kind of died as soon as the 3090 and 4090 hit 450W-650W. You need more rad space. And before you start, yes I know the MoRA is a thing, but it's also needlessly adding complexity. Why have 2 medium sized boxes when 1 larger box can fit everything, provides nearly unlimited upgrade potential, and is easier to build in, maintain, and live with

[@madb132]

@@iamdmc SFF with a MoRA? 🤣 Extreme at it's finest!

[@ledoynier3694]

@@iamdmc more leak risk because heavy? you know there are screws to hold the block together :P I don't think it would work as an upgrade, it would have to be a bigger base plate, with the same functional dimensions and fins arrangement. Byksky and EK already have DDC CPU blocks/reservoirs. Not direct die, but it works fine. @madb 13, yep, SFF with MoRa3 are a thing ^^ the rad is tucked away out of sight and you only have a stupidly small box on your desk with a PSU and two waterblocks with two tubes going out. For some it's a good compromise from having a tiny hotbox.

[@iamdmc]

@@ledoynier3694 no, more leak risk because more pressure big pressure bad - big no no. need more strong o ring for no leak is very im-port-ant

[@MichaelGaidamaka]

@@garetht677 interesting point; I've never thought about that before!

[@dexheavy85]

Amazing Roman. The thing I like about your designs is zero compromises. Since Intel started using toothpaste, I have been delidding and lapping CPUs for my friends and me. And, especially with direct die cooling, those few degrees that I would get with Liquid Metal compared to Kryonaut (Extreme) never produced more performance. Direct die and Kryonaut always maxed out my OC. Yes, it would be nice to have lower temps, but performance was the same. That would be a nice project if you have time. Does Liquid Metal allow for more OC vs Kryonaut Extreme when using a direct die cooling?

[@GraceMcClain]

I love that simple looking RGB block with the snap-on cover, very nice. Pricing seems pretty damn good, too, considering the work that's gone in to it. Good job, fella.

[@PaulBlartGaming]

You are the best tech youtuber. Thank you for making another product that is awesome ill buy the heatspreader as soon as it comes out

[@ThermalWorld_]

Shut up and take my money 😂 Love your high quality work on this..❤️

[@Cblan1224]

When will this be available? Many people are checking every day!

[@g4md0r32]

Just wow man. I am always impressed by the direct cooling results but this takes it one step further. Also the graphene pad is amazing for the future to install in PCs that you need them to work with basically no maintanence. Great stuff

[@gmt1]

I'll probably never do this setup myself, but its so cool seeing you eek out every bit of cooling possible.

[@okkolanpoko3432]

Have u tested Honeywell PTM7950 pads? You could get good comparison video with that against the graphene pads.

[@JustinAlexanderBell]

How long until direct die with o-rings around the actual die on the chip?

[@Jalopymedia]

That's beautiful work. What a dream it must be working with such cool stuff making these products.

[@MrAndrew0511]

Der Bauer over here just killing it, killing it. It looks so clean. I really like the flat no RGB dye.

[@JJFX-]

Do you think this is a safer option than using the direct die frame with a high-end water block? Normally I'm not too worried about DD but after seeing multiple, very experienced people crack their Zen 4 dies I've been reluctant to do it. My original plan was just to use my Optimus block on my direct die frame but I've been starring at it for weeks.

[@FreedomForAll2013]

Yeah Jufes cracked one... I wouldn't delid it personally

[@JJFX-]

@@FreedomForAll2013 That doesn't really surprise me but when even some of the top guys on OCN and hwbot are cracking dies it gives me pause.

[@crosshunter3316]

AMD should just start offering no-lided cpus for sale, or maybe bga motherboards with instantly soldered cpus?

[@noone5014]

Looking forward for the intel version.

[@der8auer-en]

working on it :)

[@DoObs]

Well done Roman....this is leaps and bounds ahead of any other cooling solution on the market. Really what high end Oc'ers to enthusiasts have been wanting. Definitely an amount that can be spent with a justified acknowledgement that its going to do an exceedingly great job

[@bobolishis7]

Wow what a product dude! Keep it up!

[@-opus]

Might come in handy for those with Asus boards...

[@TheRikardo91]

Indeed. I honestly hope the board vendors can fix this mess via bios updates. There's basically no valid reason to overvolt these chips as much as Asus was doing. I'm going to upgrade from AM4 to AM5 next week (I'm only missing the CPU) and this whole situation made me a bit worried for my PC.

[@der8auer-en]

just have to make sure the pump is still on while the board is not runnning :D

[@user-jh8gp2mz3k]

Hi, Roman! Very interesting results indeed. But as many people are still running AM4 platform and are not yet going to upgrade to AM5 for many reasons, maybe you'll test and launch AM4 direct die blocks from Ryzen 5000 lineup? There were some AM4 direct die blocks from Taiwan - but nobody sells them now

[@rustler08]

There's no real reason. Those chips don't get all that hot in comparison to AM5, so you're wasting money

[@user-jh8gp2mz3k]

@@rustler08 Upon decent overclocking 5950X runs quite hot. I've already built a custom loop - but with ordinary monoblock and didn't get the result i want. So id' like to try direct die. And i'm ready to pay for it - so why not?

[@84Actionjack]

Great products! Looking forward to when these hit the market.

[@cardboardpig]

The block looks fantastic!

[@flightbase]

Bitte mal etwas Kommunikation, was die Lieferfähigkeit angeht. Die 3-4 Wochen sind mehr als um und nirgendwo bekommt man Informationen ;(

[@Bayonet1809]

I would buy a copper-only version if you sold it, as I don't trust nickel plating anywhere in my loop.

[@Alm8hoorOW]

I’ve mixed nickel plated copper, brass fittings and copper in my water loop for almost 8 years and I have yet to see visible signs of corrosion which is probably due to the anti-corrosive agents in the coolant solution but also because these metals take forever to corrode one another.

[@Bayonet1809]

@@Alm8hoorOW There are to many factors at play for your experience to be relevant to anyone else who isn't running the exact same parts as you.

[@Alm8hoorOW]

@@Bayonet1809 , if mixing nickel plated copper and copper was problematic I’d reckon the industry would advice against it as it does with mixing aluminum and copper parts.

[@Carl_Johnson_.]

Amazing work, I'm really impressed

[@MadMathMike]

Incredible engineering and incredible content! 👍😊

[@Stukas_OD]

Clean, for sure. Great work!

[@scottjohnson5387]

Impressive engineering. Keep up the good work.

[@hotdogsarepropaganda]

I love when you show us what you've been working on behind the camera, Ive never wanted to mess with liquid metal but a graphine sheet *chef's kiss*

[@TheBoltcranck]

Awesome projects and work.

[@Pirafier]

cool man good luck with the coolers and stuff

[@TyMe23]

I like it , keep it up the amazing work . Def in my future purchase list of products 👍👍

[@tyiu5629]

Truly awe inspiring. I love how independent enthusiasts like der8auer are taking the industry to the next level. Continue the good work.

[@GreenFuture001]

Incredible looking (and performing) block and very excited about the graphene options! Would definitely use both products in client machines. Cheers

[@leovbernardo]

Fantastic job!! 🎉 Looking forward to see the overclocking capabilities of a high binned 7000 CPU and this WB.

[@pokezodia]

You're my hardware hero sir! As always, this is next level enthusiast content!

[@thorgen_ironside5279]

Always going above and beyond

[@TheRealBrewMaster]

Awesome work as allways

[@rDigital2A]

Beast mode, as usual. Good show, DB.

[@rdiznfriends]

this is freaking awesome. if I had an AM5 system I would for sure look into buying this

[@jeremybarber2837]

Those are really neat components!

[@acozad1]

Amazing work. Can’t wait to check them out

[@GrandAdmiralHamilton]

Very interesting and great to see the Intel version at the end as well! 😊👍 Looking forward to seeing a similar video of that one!