'I miss the old Dynasty Warriors'

A bit of a ramble of various Warriors related topics.
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0:00 Intro
0:53 Dynasty Warriors games are too easy now
6:27 Dynasty Warriors 3, 4 & 5 Remaster
7:55 DW6 & DW9 Hate
11:47 Warriors Orochi Empires/Open World
12:14 Too many Dynasty & Samurai Warriors characters
15:02 When will Dynasty Warriors 10 get released?
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[@KoeiKollection]

Gimme ur Warriors related questions or hot takes, and I’ll include as many as I can in the next discussion vid 🔥

[@Profar26]

It's not a Koei thing, and I am shamelessly bringing in my inner Sengoku Basara fandom. Sengoku Basara 4 Sumeragi has the most in-depth combat in a musou-like game.

[@EpicvidsKetti08]

What do you think of Dynasty Warriors adding a Duel system or element to Warriors Combat? Similar to DW4 with the complexity of Nioh 1/2. More Hack and Slash like you are going up against the character as a boss/miniboss

[@KunoichiPeri]

You know what we need! We need a complete remaster of Dynasty Warrior 3, 4, and 5 as a set on the Nintendo Switch!!! This would be so amazing, not only would it give us our return to the old games, but would also do so in a way where you could now play it on the go! As things currently are, your only option for this is the newest Samurai Warriors...I think its safe to...not satisfactory! Don't get me wrong I appreciate it for what it is as if it didn't exist there wouldn't be a full fledged Warriors game on the Switch in any compacity, however a remaster of this magnitude would b a god send!!!

[@ShadowOfCicero]

TL;DR The officers got dumber in the later games too. I was replaying DW4 after playing SW3 and DW8. Liu Bei successfully landed a C5 (!) on me. After the initial excitement wore off, I thought to myself, "The later games would never even attempt that combo." I thought about it further, "In fact, have I ever seen an officer in SW3 go for more than ONE combo?" Then it hit me: every Normal-Attack character was programmed to only use S, and all the others just C1. That explained a lot of weird behavior: 1. Nobunaga hardly ever got kills but could often hold out a very long time. Why? He's spending most of his time in the air. 2. Kai and Kunoichi seemed to have Conservation of Ninjutsu in their stories. Explanation: Kai's S is underpowered, and Kunoichi's C1 is useless. 3. Normals (except Akechi) middle of the road? S is most characters' 2nd or 3rd best option. It is Akechi's best option, hence the exception. 4. Kiyomasa beat Ieyasu handily at matching stats? He is one of three or four characters that can actually spam C1. I was equally appalled at the shoddy programming and curious how much would change if you just set the one combo at the character level.

[@MisterRandomEncounter]

I haven't seen it yet so ill say it myself and if someone did mention it im sorry for not noticing you but what is more sorry is the ELEMENTAL SYSTEM. Earth Heaven and the other one i never use can all get yeeted into a firey tornado made by the power of sweet monkey Jebuses Maagick..than crushed like Sun Jian with a bolder. Why because it adds no more complexity than a contra glowing red dot. Bring back my reason to pay attention to the models Koeis artists work on and the formations that are around the general. People who played the big maps of DW3 will probably understand what i'm talking about.

[@bkostuik]

Something I loved about the older games that's also coincides with the difficulty discussion is the "flow of battle" actually having that tug of war with the two armies. Peons and officers actually being a threat not to you but off screen as well to others. Having to think ahead and where the pieces may lay in ten minutes. "Do I have time to Go through enemy lines to take out a gate captain and this officer before my own forces get pushed back" not that it was truly ever that complicated but the feeling of the flow of battle is lost now. I can run anywhere and do anything and no one can stop me. And I don't like that, I don't need peons to wreak me but I want to at least feel like they are actually a present threat to some degree.

[@TheB4RT3ND]

I agree with this sentiment. That’s why I prefer Samurai Warriors 4 system where you need to play as more than one officer, to give a little bit strategy feeling, where do I need to bolster my own army before being pushed back rather than able to just run around the map killing everyone in sight.

[@giantcookie5925]

I faced these kind of troubles when playing DW 6 in higher difficulty because theres objective in that installment where certain officers or garrison must not fall or taken out under a certain time limit Theres always that one scenario where 2 objective collides for example Garrison A must be taken inmediately while Officer B is struggling under immense force of attack + Garrison B must be defended from hordes of advancing enemies ( i hate Battle of Guan Du )

[@napowolf]

Exactly, this is the biggest missing element in the new DW games imo. In the old games each level has a real front line which can collapse if u ignore the big picture and just fight everything in front of you. The battlefield was dynamic and has a strategic element to it, while light, adds a lot to the gameplay. In new games they just place trash mob all over the map, and only scripted events make some of them push forward. The open world system in DW9 had a great potential to bring the strategic play back, but instead everything is now completely static. There is a front line going back and forth, but it does not really contribute to the objectives in each level. The most fun I had in DW9 is trying to plug the gaps and guide the flow of battle.

[@PancakesTsuki]

I've been playing DW5 on emulator recently and Wu's chibi side might actually be one of my fave stages in the franchies ur fighting for ur life to get the fire attack to work the battle is crazy

[@BboySquidfoot]

No other RTS games does RTS better than musou. The strategy might not seem as apparent in video but play for yourself, especially gauging the mini map, you start to play more tactifully. In a RTS sense, its simple but it works. And it works astoundingly well. Especially in empires iterations.

[@teslatrooper6594]

I miss the old shapes that represented the officers on the pause map, I have no idea why it's so important to me.

[@qq5847]

It was kinda like a war sandbox where commander and officers make plans for their upcoming battle. It looks cool imo. Not to mention the distinct Teris T-block shape sign of an officer make it easier to track them instead of looking for a slightly brighter and bigger red dot that is surrounded by other billions of smaller red dots on the mini map.

[@BrutalL3G4CY]

It's the same thing they used on the Kessen Games. Just felt right to me

[@UnshotSpy]

Funny thing is, its based off of real life objects that the war strategists used to represent platoons and such back in the day. It's way cooler and more realistic and immersive than just dots on the map. And that's the big thing that newer Musou titles are missing, is the realism. They prefer to Anime-ify their games instead of making them more grounded like they used to be.

[@ZocomRaider9677]

One thing I liked in dynasty warriors 6 was how they handled siege battles, having peons build siege weapons to break open the gate or setup ladders on the walls, plus enemy garrisons actually closing their gates forcing you to break them open.

[@MK0437]

Yep, 6 had excellent battlefield immersion and tactical aspects. All of which disappeared in 7 and hasn’t recovered

[@KoeiKollection]

yeah 100%, it'd be cool if those elements returned in future. I really liked how in DW6 there would be semi duels where the allied & enemy peons would open up into a circle/pit for you to fight an enemy officer

[@Miyuwu_BBS]

One thing i liked in dw6 was : Diao chan

[@Kingpin1NO]

I always loved that as I had to stop and think of prepared to defend them it adding to game never found it to annoying breaking the flow battle or gameplay

[@ZocomRaider9677]

On top of that in the castle battles they also had ballistas on the walls to try and destroy the catapults and battering rams so you had to go up the ladders to destroy them before you lose all your teams siege equipment....kind of like a real siege battle

[@snkrhead]

I miss the micromanaging of a battlefield, focusing on specific objectives, officers, and triggering events. They need to bring that back with the addition of a morale system that actual works instead of railroading every single battlefield.

[@AkagiRedSun]

Samurai Warriors 4 Empire is what you just described.. moral = outcome of the battle

[@Vagran]

I'm having flashbacks of Lu Bu mopping the floor with my face every time I tried to cross Hu Lao gate.

[@izigurusumardi8934]

Another hot take for DW6 as this is my first Warrior game: 1. I absolutely adore the siege battle. Destroying ballistae, guarding the ram, and watching as your entire army pour onto the enemies base is something i live for in thst game. Also I like the base system, as taking over it means that place will be colored blue so you can see on the map how much progress you have made, making the battle feel more engaging. 2. I want the R1 + attack grab to be back. If you want the enemy officef to be blocking constantly, at least give us the means to break it.

[@qq5847]

I couldn't agree more. The siege system is such a cool idea, and it make a battle feels like a real battle where people do warfare stuff instead of just being a plain field of mindless peons for you to effortlessly chop off.

[@ShadowOfCicero]

The Spirit Charge in SW3 was beautiful for that. I couldn't tell you what most of Mitsuhide's combos were. You didn't need anything but A, B, A, A, A, A...

[@PancakesTsuki]

DW6 still has a lot of cool stuff which makes that game feel unique I wish more characters got story like xiao qiao 6 is still waaaayyy better than 9 I love 6 tho a lot of people hate it

[@TheBronf]

6 also was the first to try to re-imagain the officers with there outfits and weapons. not all weapons landed well like Xiahou Dun two handed mace (i still didn't mind that but preferred his scimitar) one of those that was a major improvement was sun jian, hes became a meh character for me to one of my favorite just because his appearance and weapon style was a major improvement.

[@ShadowOfCicero]

@@TheBronf The irony is that most of those weapon changes were trying to get closer to the novel. Xiahou Dun was said to have a club and a spear, but not a sword. Sun Ce was said to fight with a spear. But the scimitar and the tonfa were just too iconic.

[@thanatosdraga]

Dynasty warriors 2 will always have a special place in my heart

[@VanguardDeezNutz]

I remember playing before school and my parents getting mad that I had to run 5 minutes across the map to reach the save pick-up. Good times

[@orlandorodriguez539]

This was my first and for a while, only version of the series. I just recently got 8 extreme legends but something felt off about it. It's been over a decade since I've played 2 and so it could just be rose colored glasses that make me feel this way

[@walkrvc]

I remember when I first figured out how to unlock Liu Bei and Sun Jian and Cao Cao. And farming the yellow turban lvl on the yellow turban side for the plus HP for killing the faction leaders. Those were the days…..

[@bawdydaram8114]

Admittedly i was in the "lets remake DW3, 4, 5 boat" but after hearing what you said, I really agree. I dont think Koei in their current state could deliver a product that could satisfy the fans with what theyve been delivering lately.

[@KoeiKollection]

Hey like I said, I won’t turn down a remaster if it’s offered tho! At this point I’m kinda itching for any new DW content haha. But fingers crossed it’s something actually new

[@TombopantherkingCrossover]

@@KoeiKollectionwill they remake dynasty warrior collection game on Nintendo switch ps4 and Xbox

[@KoeiKollection]

@@TombopantherkingCrossover No clue I'm afraid!

[@7095Sean]

Dynasty Tactics needs some recognition. Especially 2 since that was the first game to introduce Lu Bu's daughter.

[@EpsilonKnight2]

Samurai Warriors 2 XL is probably the most fluid and comfortable of the old school formula since it has the inklings of the modern hyper speed combat of current Musou games but still has that rough edge to it. Ironically some of the crossover Musou games, like Hyrule Warriors or Gundam Musou, are more difficult compared to a lot of the modern standard Musou games as well. As you said they need to make things a bit more grounded and allow for a lot more control of your allied forces to make a proper fusion between RTS and spectacle fighter.

[@Profar26]

Thank you for the shout-out KK. I do want to give my thoughts about HD remasters of Dynasty Warriors 3, 4, 5. Much like yourself, I am not too crazy with having an HD Collection of the PS2 Dynasty Warriors games. It's mainly because I still play Dynasty Warriors 5 on an emulator like crazy, and having the same experience in HD, doesn't really excite me. That ship has sailed long ago. I am actually more excited for the possibility of a new Dynasty Warriors game, then revisiting the old.

[@mistergremm735]

i'm sticking to my old friends but yeah resources towards a newer game is also a good thing

[@KoeiKollection]

Couldn't agree more my friend!

[@Muramasa1794]

DW 3 was my first game and ever since I was hooked. They have to bring back the difficulty especially with the regular soldiers.

[@blastmole299]

I played Dynasty Warriors 5 Empires recently, and the mechanics was much simpler but it's much harder. I even lost the whole country because Cao Cao being Cao Cao and he captured more than half of the whole map in just around 1 1/2 years

[@EyePatchGuy88]

The friendly AI in 5E is DOGSHITE, I tried to make it work, and there's lots about 5E that is an objective upgrade from 6 and 7E (I have 8E on my PC, but I'm procrastinating getting a controller), but I cannot forgive the crappy AI. 6E suffered a similar fate. thankfully 7E is practically perfect.

[@blastmole299]

@@EyePatchGuy88 Yeah, the friendly AI is terrible meanwhile the enemies even privates are VERY smart compared to modern DW. High moraled troops are sometimes helpful though

[@stanclark8824]

I had 8E, when I made a custom army for all regions, those guys were buffed up on some super A.I. OP juice..I don't know what happened, but they kept kicking my butt and made me lose and lubu left me and joined them. That jerk.

[@KidouKenshi22]

what I hate the most on modern warriors game that you won't have any moral, troops or bodyguards anymore and that all officers go straight at you and they not act like war anymore. I mean that they fight all over the battlefield like a real war and now a bunch of enemies just go straight at u and ignore u allies and not to mention that peons are only decoration

[@qq5847]

Your point is spot on, my friend. I get bored with DW8XL so quickly because of this. The enemy officer is designed to kill you and only you, unless it is scripted otherwise. So basically the only danger on the battlefield is you, and your allies are just there to make up the number. The peons are just as mindless as ever. I wish they return to the design philosophy of the ps2 era, no more scripted bs.

[@MK0437]

Yep. It sucks. Battlefield immersion is gone. It’s just 1 vs 1,000. Started with DW7 imo which is like DW on rails.

[@KoeiKollection]

I miss the morale bar haha

[@KidouKenshi22]

@@KoeiKollectionhahaa

[@AkagiRedSun]

Samurai warriors 4 Empire you get wiped out without your army and will get destroyed by peons when your troops have way less moral, Samurai Warriors 5 you can’t even finish objective if you don’t semi auto control your 2nd unit so challenge is there but it’s different way than PS2 era where they had to create difficulty due to technical limitations of the hardware. For me older title seems easier since you can just run circle with red bar till musiu gauge to fill up and rinse and repeat where you’re either fighting for the time objective in modern games.

[@FatedBlossom]

I grew up with DW2, and played almost all of the DW games up to 9, but only recently got into playing the Xtreme Legends portions of the games as Empires caught more my attention than Xtreme Legends. Despite the fact that I too also miss the older DW games. . . I miss Dynasty Warriors Online the most because of the fact that you have your own residence to relax in after the fight or war, the bodyguards being either humans or your animals to create a strong bond with them, expanding on your garden to make it look so peaceful and alive, and to hang around with your friends to either help them obtain items, or to have a relaxing good time of peace. . . Aside from the ways we have to get the best of the best in the game with the practice they tried, DWOnline was still fun for me with the rest of the older series in the game, each time I play 5 or 5 Empires, I have the urge to want to go back into my garden, or my friend's gardens, to relax with my bodyguard animal to enjoy the beauty of life that grew within their garden to appreciate the hard work they placed in the plant to grow and have life a part with us. . . 9 just doesn't cut it for me from how much they hear our voice for another DWOnline to be, they just slap our faces and placed some ideas from Online into 9, and also of Guan Yinping's special? musou in Warriors Orochi 4, her animation is from start to finish the SAME as the "dance" that the ladies in DWOnline do when you give the command for it. . . ` ; - ; '

[@sephirothxer0]

Open world would have been a great concept if they simply connected the old-style stages together at the "Gates". Defeating Gate Captains would open up your path into another area, such as the Northern gates at Chi Bi allowing you to walk straight into the map for Cao Cao's Escape. Combine this with the old style item/weapon drops in crates, and you could find yourself trying to push hard into enemy territory you're not ready for yet to snag a great item and making it back to your army before getting killed by high level troops. And while most people do not like the open world style of 9, I can't stand the opposite approach that 7/8 (and the whole SW series) took where the maps are just corridor mazes that funneled you into the same linear path every single time you played. This is also because objectives became mandatory to progress rather than an optional way to modify the stage's difficulty on your own (failing an objective makes the rest of the stage harder). I would say 6 had the BEST approach to stage design by adding climbing, swimming, and removing most barriers and invisible walls. Freedom in traversal was a great feeling and led to some creative paths to hit stage objectives. I personally think they should combine the DW and Kessen series and add troop commands and formations and make the battlefield and soldiers be as important as your superhero general. (Arslan Musou had this idea right, unfortunately the rest of the game was lackluster and nobody cared about the license so it got overlooked.) The key to this would be SLOWING DOWN the pace of the stages and making killing peons or keeping them alive a key part of controlling morale. The modern flow of "Kill officer in three hits > Jump on 200mph horse > Zip to the next officer and repeat" is boring even though it's fast paced. In the old games you couldn't be everywhere at once, even with Red Hare, and had to plan your route with regard to order of importance and had to commit to it because it would take too long to go back. All the modern games suffer from this. tl;dr, the Musou games no longer feel like battlefield simulators, which was the appeal for me in the beginning.

[@mistergremm735]

Older games had a clear dynamic difficulty with morale system which played part in your allies and enemies performamce obviously facing an enemy with an all time high morale (stars) would easily be more aggressive than if they were panicked and had low incenstive to push foward, you weren't the only deciding factor but your army also played part and it's easy to lose early on if an commander is defeated or received sigmificant lose, it's been always fun to strategize and make use of your surroundings for your benefits, One of my favorite aspects about the early games is trying to push the entire army towards other side of the map and keep everyone alive which isn't possible in newer entries considering they like now to script their events to maintain the flow of the "narrative". besides that another thing I would like to see talked aboit in terms of takes is that *the early games were also quite loose with the source material* like having many characters outliving their novel counterparts which opens more a what if scenerios, it kinda sucks for me now that many cool characters and fan favorites like Sun jian, Sun ce, Pang tong and Guan ping never last long and you don't have say if they live or not in mewer games, they end up having very small screentime compared to before, It's why I enjoyed DW4 and consider it a peak, you have so much flexibility on what happens on your playthrough and every time you replay it, it won't be exactly the same, I don't want to advocate for campaign/musou mode that's 1/1 with DW4, and I'm not sure if a modern Character per story progression that was present in DW3, 5 and 6 would be feasible for a large roster now, but would prefer a balance where characters have bit more screentime than before, maybe something like DW7 conquest mode with proper cutscene and extra battles would help side characters, I admitably don't have perfect solution for this one, so I'm open for other ideas This part of many magic that was lost after DW5 and even arguably 6 when the series started to be more strict on the narrative and the gameplay has to also follow along which removes part of the apeal of playing those games, for all the gameplay problems, I still consider DW7 to be a fun experience and it has the best narrative and characterization in the series, it's just that the gameplay imo doesn't hold candle to what came before it, it even devolved the evolution that was taken in DW6 with the siege mechanics and one and one duels I don't think difficulty was the issue in modern games, but more so the sense of dilema early games presented on what choices to take for the best outcome for you and your allies, that isn't really present since modern games walk you through to achieve the best outcome than have you figure out yourself the pieces. long comment, but hope I saod something interesting

[@ilikefoodx20]

we don't talk about DW9. it never existed, just like season 8 of game of thrones.

[@henrikaugustsson4041]

Never heard of those two things…. 😉

[@antiproductive4131]

If they straight up remade the old games, they would not only add a ton of DLC but probably carry over the modern gameplay instead of trying to replicate the original one

[@henrikaugustsson4041]

Not to mention they would be just as lazy as rockstar was on the gta San Andreas remake.

[@clearlypellucid]

The Dynasty Warriors gameplay loop that I loved and that is basically gone now was this: Survey the battlefield map, determine which fronts are vital and which can wait, head to the most vital front and fight through peons to push the entire army close enough to the commander that I'll have my side's peons supporting me against the enemy peons plus commander, then defeat that commander. From there, loop; survey the map as it now is, find another vital front, etc. This style of play had its last gasps in DW4. What the game is as of the most recent entries I've played is: Game gives you an explicit mission, usually involving killing a specific commander. Ride past all peons to that commander and kill them while ignoring the situation on the rest of the battlefield. Then loop, game gives you another explicit mission, and so on. This started in DW4 and continues until now.

[@AftermathRV]

i miss that you could get swarmed by foot soldiers like in DW2, hwere everything felt a bit more strategic then it does now

[@tyrus350]

In my opinion what makes old series better than newer one is because in newer one all characters can essentially one man army everything in its path while older game it's only for a very few character like Lu Bu, Ma Chao, Tadakatsu or Keiji.

[@swagdaddy8298]

We need a dw5 gameplay and game modes, dw6 scores, with dw7 story telling game

[@Lightpaladin720]

meanwhile dw4 fans would disagree with you and make it only dw4 and Story

[@patrickdormeus8453]

DW3: best AI opponent difficulty and weapon elements (Strongest Lu bu) DW4: best graphics and orbs and items (Hardest Lu Bu to beat) DW5: best costumes and maps (Scariest Lu Bu Moveset) They all are great and some tie with qualities it was hard to distinguish.

[@henrikaugustsson4041]

It’s… it’s…. LU BU!!!!!!

[@aisukururimu7515]

The renbu system in DW6 threw me off a bit, but the dodge roll and grab feature was more then enough addition for me to still enjoy the gameplay from time to time

[@therudesociety5373]

I always felt DW3 and DW4 were the best in my opinion.

[@bluespaceman7937]

I think they need to find a middle ground: easier than the most difficult old games, but harder than the newer ones.

[@AkagiRedSun]

SW4E and SW5 had some challenge that can catch you slacking. I was surprised when I got stun lock by rifle troops in SW5 and couldn’t do anything and it happened quite often with other specialty troop as well. I think modern >DW7 series are just way to mind numbing easy but when you thinking about most of other looter genre becomes hack and slash in end game grind with op builds so

[@FruitNDoggie]

As it is, DW5 will remain a stand-out favorite to me, because whenever there's a large roster of characters, I like when the game reinforces my desire to play as all of them. I didn't love the balancing from the oldest entries, remembering how dense and powerful the lead commander's bodyguards could be in DW4. If they kept everything the same about the older entries, and just gave them a paint job, the only one I'd want on Steam would be the 5th game.

[@iammaximumstupied]

for me I personally miss the creative endings of the empire games. so many different endings and things to do always had me had fun picking which generals id take in, or if i stayed a sell sword. I think it could’ve still been done in the new games, just having the ending be whatever you were during the conquest was kinda meh for me.

[@invertbrid]

This. DW4 one still most memorable to me so far and i love that game for that reason. And ever free song being perfect fit also.

[@FangsofYima]

Numbers of enemies on screen isn't the crux of the issue with difficulty, it's how every charge attack of modern games has massive aoe. I'm on a bit of a warriors games tour and the shock when switching from 3 to 8 was unreal. Even the first charge attack, which was normally an uppercut for a single enemy or a few at most, in 8/9 sends an entire group of enemies flying. It cheapens the musou attack and loses any nuance of movesets when every attack clears out the entire screen of enemies. So even if peons were more aggressive it wouldn't matter cause they could never touch you. How I would personally fix it: I've always wished they skewed a little more towards the strategy side, I enjoy the aspect of the games where you have to keep up with map special events, and capture bases and help officers out to win and wish they leaned more into all that. I've also been playing Bladestorm recently which has a lot of cool ideas in it and I think having that expanded control over a group of soldiers is the key to having a bunch of enemies on screen while also keeping difficulty intact. They could make the peons just as threatening as old games but you could counter that by having your own large group of competent peons following you around, and this could be worked into capturing bases and morale system. Letting you restock your group of commanded soldiers from a nearby captured base. Bladestorm is really cool I recommend checking it out. Its funny it sort of became a self fulfilled prophecy or whatever, where a common complaint about warriors games was " hurr durr its just a dumb repetitive button masher" which really wasn't true for the older games but it is what the series has become now. For the people that want power fantasy and to just steamroll stuff there has always been easy difficulty mode for that, I don't know why they had to make the games so easy on all difficulties.

[@MK0437]

What’s sad is that comments by developers make it seem like they will push it even further, with Koinuma (SW creator) recently joking that 1 vs 1,000 may be a thing of the past and they may do even more. Only hope is that in japan gamers feel the same way and let Koei hear about it but Idk

[@deikbeck]

I really liked DW8 but at the same time I missed having unique weapons per character, it lead me to enjoy certain characters better because only they had that weapon and moveset. Zhou Tai's Katana, Pang Tong and Zhang Jiao's staffs, Zhang He's Claws, and Sima Yi's crazy Old moveset. It gave so much personality to the character and made me like them so much more. Now it's just a weapon type for any grunts.

[@AkagiRedSun]

Just use same two of the favorite weapon for the character you like to play. DW8 already have wide verity of the weapons to keep you busy grinding for hundreds of hours

[@Aereto]

4 is where I started, and never knew it's the most difficult.

[@deikbeck]

DW 3XL was really difficult too. I remember being annihilated by archers often on chaos difficulty

[@mr.danish4576]

DW 4 XL are also difficult imo, they make ai so aggressive

[@Aereto]

3 and 5 really make it sell that regular soldiers are trained to be credible threats to you in addition to their officers

[@vincesims8839]

Dw4 was my start as well, unfortunately I've never played another dw I liked better.

[@dalampslayer]

We miss "pursuing LuBu".

[@kumajin3621]

Since DW2 ive played/loved musou games, DW5 was my fav overall, one of best parts was the fact that the battle flow can change if grand tactics fail or officers fail. Pleasingly found out when i tried saving pang tong from an ambush. DW8E was fun with the creation selection. i remember this one being too easy but creative, weird stuff kept me entertained. Dw6 i only remember enjoying the siege elements like climbing ladders & protecting the siege weapons etc. SW3E the one on ps3, the best ive played thus far or at least enjoyed. The samurai games are usually more flexible control wise with blocks & dodge mechanics, the switching characters gimmick grew on me partly due to having to be strategic just to avoid being flanked or overwhelmed by the enemy. Plus any musou game that has reasonably effective A.I Allies gets a 👍from me, knowing i can send two officers to a base & they can capture it or when big name officers are on the map i know who to send to stall them before i jump in to deal with it. I like the strategy elements and tactical choices you decide on the fly or pre-prepared that actually actually make a difference. Any map that allows different experiences based on actions. Unique maps & integral bases. Duels are awesome especially when armies create a circle. I like individual efforts of big name officers that can change the tide. I love the battlefield feeling of changing flow & troops being somewhat efficient, 1 vs 100 is great but at least make it feel earnt from skill & experience. Do not pursue lu bu

[@ListersHatsune]

I'm part of the subsection that only plays Empires games but the one in the main series that I liked the most was actually Dynasty Warriors 2. It was the difficulty of fighting just a normal dude. I feel like I'm swiping the air now and it's rewarding me for it - it makes me feel nothing getting a kill. Back then getting 1000 kills was a legitimate achievement while now I do that by accident. Dynasty Warriors was never really about killing millions - as much as we joke about it.

[@MrMariosonicman]

Im a fan of big scale games where, while my actions help, my army still puts in work on their own. In hyrule warriors, you were responsible for absolutely everything, especially any giant bossess that showed up. and your allies were basically objective markers for enemies to get stronger then for them to help in battles. but then in Fire emblem warriors, I was able to send my team and allies to specific points on the map and they would actually be able to clear it. it actually made me feel like im a tactiction on the battle instead of only a warrior. It would be nice if dynasty warrior or samurai warrior games remembered the importance of your army on the battle and allow them to help you big time in fights, instead of you being able to basically solo the entire field.

[@AkagiRedSun]

SW5 you have to control 2nd characters constantly while swapping to get objectives done. Aside from small pool of weapon variants SW5 did pretty good job using mechanics they learned from FE Warriors and SW4 Empire is strategy of your army turned up to 10 compare to any Switch Warriors games. I know that DW has been braindead games for a while but SW since Spirit of Samara has been amazing improvements.

[@Smesh_U]

DW4 Lubu 1v1 still haunts me to this day. Lmao my uncle introduced my brother and I to DW2 and bought us DW3 and he was joking about how my brother and I used to scream “oh no it’s lubu!!!” Lmao big part of my childhood and finding your channel unlocked a memory

[@mariomanno1]

The open world Warriors Orochi Empires game is such a fantastic idea and I really hope it comes one day

[@ShadowWolfRising]

Dude I'd pre-order the shit out of that.

[@liuchenen109]

Warriors Orochi Empire really amazing idea. I like to imagine Warrior Orochi Empire takes scenarios Before WO3. (Since 3 is too much characters and too using time travel as concept.) And I like Empire element RNG makes the games interesting. Game starts like WO1 starts Shu and Samurai scenario (Zhao Yun or Nobunaga) they start the game as their own troops, So when successful recruiting free officer will join your army directly. But if you play as Wei or Wu (Cao Pi or Sun Ce) you fight with opposites army to save them and makes them assist you in some battles, and when they're declare independence they're joinning you. Or maybe twisting the start : You play as Shu who on Orochi Sides or Free Officers from Wu or Wei Kingdom. Or maybe plays as the only Plot Mystic in the Game Zuo Ci, to choose who you'll assist in the game as temporary guest. Makes Every Officer have their Officer's skills in the battle, I take examples from the game. For example Da Ji can trigger Phantom soldier's and abuse her infamous dialogue : "Take one more step and I'll hit you so hard? You'll forget who you're." Also Zhang Jiao can using Phantom Soldiers (WO2 Orochi scenario 8) Or Doppelgangers skills like Zuo Ci (WO2 Orochi scenario 8) and Wukong. Or magicless officers like Xiaohu Yuan, Sun Ce, Cao Cao,etc can trigger Fire attacks. Those who have Cannons skills like have their garrison equipped with cannons. And when enemy forces have cannon equipped, fire attacks skill's effectively reduce opposing peons to low health. Every Strategist-like (have every skill and thwarted plan.) Every Courageous Warriors like Dian Wei, Zhao Yun, Zhou Tai,etc have buffs or maybe using musou more ofter when their health below 50% when you enter their territory (Face off strats from WO2). Makes Lu Bu and Tadakatsu more tough to battle. Dancers skills like WO2 restores units health, so this can be bullshit when players fail to slay the Officer with Dance Skill. After Orochi falls, the remenant of Orochi troops roaming in the lands, will disturbing your land. You have number of turns to raise your troops, fixing the damage, or recruit Officers. WO2 scenario starts. During the numbered turn, one of your officer will said there's a sightings of unusual Warriors battling each others. It's the introduction Human to Mystics and Yoshitsune depending on Mystic you'll recruit their goal will be, - Capture Da Ji, but Himiko Escaped this results to OrochiX troops less or almost never thwarting you plans. - Face Kiyomori, but Da Ji and Himiko plotting from behind the scene. This results to OrochiX troops and himselft have less attack damage. Or have Wukong force to Join you if you choose San Zhang. So Kiyomori can't use Wukong to create mischief in your land. ....Or something like that So the after numbered turn, you face Orochi X army full with notable Officers or who still 'Loyal to Him' And you choose the Officers you choose to head to showdown. I have the problem with final chapter of WO1 and WO2. It's always unsatisfying to see your recruited officers not present when you face Orochi. So basically the game have more tactics to it. You know makes the game 'Empire' like? Controlling the battlefield? Sorry for absurdly long comment, and typos. I just very fond with classic era of Koei. So naturally WOZ is very special to me.

[@Memoria1356]

I honestly don't mind 6 or 9, in fact 6's battlefields are some of my favourites in the series, and I wish they brought those expansive maps forward into 7 and 8. Some of those maps didn't feel as open and they seemed very objective-heavy to progress. 6 still kind of retains the 2-5 feel of a fluid battlefield, and I don't remember 6 being that easy either, especially on harder difficulties. With weapons, I think it depends. Some fantasy weapons are now iconic (Zhenji's flute, Zhang He's claws) and removing them always seems difficult to justify. Although like you said it's probably a balance. I probably wouldn't push it too far though, seeing something like Xiahou Ba's spear in DW8 is definitely a bigger stretch for believability than Zhenji's flute. There are a lot of historical weapons in ancient China and beyond that I'd like to see but aren't represented in DW yet. Seeing Zhang Fei with his old serpent spear kinda does give me hope they'd try to give Zhou Yu and Gan Ning their swords back though.

[@zhaoyun255]

My favorite classic DW was DW5 since it has the best control. DW2-4 got the cardinal sin of either officers gets stronger or recover when knocked down (DW2) or you can't change direction and moveset sucks (DW3-4) that resort to a tier list playstyle (Optimal one or 2 charge moves). Don't get me wrong, DW5 as well but you are less committal to through out attacks since you can change direction. That didn't make DW5 Vanilla Chaos any easier since the flinch time of DW5 was actually reduced compare to older title in order to accommodate the more comfortable moveset (Evolution and the new C5 helps with crowd clearing A LOT). DW5 Chaos will make sure that you understand the importance of Supply Base. My God, not only it provide you recoverable items since Chaos gives you only single meatbun drops (No chicken or ointment...AT ALL) but also buff you and auto-recover you when you are fighting enemies inside the supply base every 10-15 seconds. This is also a BITCH to go on the offensive when they constantly recover and buff. This makes Bodyguards or even your fellow officers play a more important role when they distract the enemies officers for you to kill the supply captain. Fan Bodyguard is your best friend since they will recover your HP from time to time. They are the lifesaver for Chaos difficulty. I also loves the morale system that kept your forces alive if they are 6-8 stars no matter how much HP they had left off-screen. I had a situation in Battle of Hefei when Zhang Liao first encounter left Ling Tong with like 2-3 hits left to die. I did my jobs that boost my entire force to 8 stars Morale and Ling Tong single-handedly clear the entire left wing by himself and even kill the 3rd Zhang Liao when Zhang Liao's Morale went from 8 to 7 stars. For DW10, I want them to build upon DW8XL foundation (Some weapon change in DW8E that irks me. Some are good (Xiao Qiao and Sun Quan) but Yue Ying and Deng Ai are just.....ASS!!! Give the Story Narrative of DW7 since it is the best. Remove the Rock-paper-scissor weapon system. It is more annoying than it appeared. Also, have the level design and mobs+AI of DW6, they are awesome and you can't just bulldoze these guys easily. What I like was that they achieved the perfect modern mob aggressiveness in DW7XL with Nightmare. The problem was that Speed Weapon Life Leech and Combat Resistance Seal literally invalidate the challenge.

[@Shirraz87]

This video was recommended to me by an old friend, who would often indulge me on my Warriors takes. It's been awhile, but I definitely feel the passion for them still haha. Glad I found ya! DW3 and DW5 will always go down as my top two favorites. I feel they kept a lot of the formulas that worked, while still trying something new in 5, scrapping what may not have been successful in 4. DW6....I respect how they really wanted to try a new direction and I think a lot of things certainly hit well, graphics, camera (hell yeah) new weapons, etc. The renbu system made game play feel stale, especially as you would lose your unlocked combos because you had to leave combat and run across the battlefield to an ally that needed help. The weapon and moveset cloning, while removing characters from the roster was a poor decision. And I dont know how strongly some players feel about this, but the recharacterization and changing of personalities of characters was brutal. Admittedly some characters benefited from this (Sima Yi) but then others were severely crippled (SSX, Ill never forgive that one especially.) Overall, for me, the cons outweighed the pros with DW6. 7 was a step in the right direction, and to a degree 8. With the roster getting bigger and bigger, characters were basically given one personality trait and THAT was their personality. Majority of the women being an extension of their man, Ma Chao screaming justice all over the battlefield, the strategists yelling about strategy. It turned lifeless. I hope we get a 10. I did not play 9 due to the reception, but I am always looking forward for more. Anyway, woof! Haha Can't wait to see more from you!

[@KoeiKollection]

Couldn't agree more, I think that's something I struggled with regarding some of the newer titles, characters started to feel really one note which made them a little harder to enjoy and relate to. Glad you found the channel!

[@jeffreyhoon]

Small detail I guess but I like how the map was displayed in DW5 when paused. You could see much more details on the map like the mountains and pathways quite defined rather than a flat picture

[@KoeiKollection]

10000% I used to love tilting the map in seeing the 3D depth haha

[@brandong.1337]

I miss a lot of things about the earlier games. Two that come to mind are Lu Bu being such a bad ass his knock back combo sent you flying all the way across the screen and, I forget which one had it, but you could have like 4 or so bodyguards that you could level up and make stronger. I don't know, just felt more like a general having them. Oh, I miss the old Nanman stuff too. Edit: Oh yeah, I really miss the English dubs. I know they were cheesy but that's what made them fun.

[@ZeUberflip]

There's something I noticed about these games as they went on. I played the crap out of the original Samurai Warriors on PS2 and loved it, it was definitely way harder. BUT that being said, when you got your character leveled up to max with the best items then the game suddenly plays a lot more like modern titles do because you're one-shotting a lot of enemies and if your speed stat is maxed then your foot speed is faster than a horse (maxed out Hanzo he was so fucking fast maxed out holy shit lol). Playing through levels with a maxed out character feels like playing a newer title when you just start out. Except you EARNED that power by playing the game so when you're blazing through the last levels with a powerhouse it's just a blast. They essentially cut out the feeling of progression so you're more immediately entertained which makes sense of paper but when you play the modern titles you get bored waaaaay faster. Yes there's progression in the new titles but it's just too much too fast. How are you supposed to feel a sense of growth when all the enemies aren't even a threat to begin with? I think you might be able to have the best of both worlds if you start the game at the level of difficulty in the old ones and then scale it with the right power increase beats so that by the end your character is godlike and while the difficulty would be higher generally you could mow a lot of enemies down and it would really feel earned.

[@cobra_sniper6227]

6 is actually my personal favorite because it's my second dw ever played. Dynasty Warriors 3 is my first game of the series, it was the XL version to be exact then I played the original after.

[@Zappy714]

Arrows hitting you and stopping a combo was a MAJOR danger back in the early days, hardly notice them now. Forced duels in 4 put you in panic inducing situations frequently. Unique weapons to grind/find as well as unique movesets.

[@DSPhilRPh]

I've been a fan of the Musou titles since 2009. I started off playing as Nobunaga Oda in SW2 and have been doing so throughout the series and WO. Eventually I got to play DW Vol. 2 (the PSP turn-based/hack-and-slash version) and was invested in playing the full titles using Cao Cao, Diaochan, and Zuo Ci. I agree with the drop in difficulty over the years, and I kinda like how DW6 works (I also played the Empires and Strikeforce versions a lot). I was also thinking about an Empires-style WO since its release. Imagine the flexibility they'll have due to the merged realities. Sadly for this series, WO4 personally kinda fell out of favor. For the SW series, SW5 iteration of Nobunaga is fun and all but his previous iterations are far more appealing (even that weird time when Cao Cao's English VA also gave the voice for Nobu's SW1 version). Imagine if they make a SW or DW series that feels like a Platinum game (Nier Automata or Bayonetta). I'd really dig that if they execute it well. For the hack-and-slash itch I've been having recently, Fate/Extella Link and Fate/Samurai Remnant is kinda good at filling in that need.

[@patrickempson7366]

The ending song and dance at the end of Dynasty Warriors 2. And the pics of your character in the sky in the moonlight is absolutely scrumtrulessent

[@clinchin2k862]

If koei would make a MOBA knowing the potential with the cast they gave mages brawlers rangers even support characters it will be a crazy concept been asking for this for years!!!

[@blackmonish]

I believe when they try to make the gameplay between characters more diverse, they end up running out of time, and making most of them copy cats. I guess what I would like would be a few options: -They could try to make an Empires/Orochi title with a mode that allows you to greatly customize the parameters, making anywhere from a game with less enemies on screen, but with deadly attacks and aggressive/intelligent A.I.; to a game where you are slicing through seas of enemies. (That one may be too difficult, I only suggest it because we finally have hardware that could pull it off without slowing to a crawl) -They could make a "DW: Legacy" type game that puts together the best aspects of 3, 4, and 5, (maybe the map sizes from 2, but its been YEARS since I've played that one) to see how the fans respond. -They could make a Souls-like that maybe uses camps as bonfires, and the death of you and your squadmates weaken the camp they spawned from. This could even be an open world game, but they would have to be careful to find the balance. If it was Soulsish, I wouldn't want an Empire type game. I'd say they would need to differenciate it from "Wo Long," but that game felt terrible to me. Maybe Koei could make the first good Berserk game (you know... besides Dark Souls and Dragons Dogma), but that would need epic boss fights, so it may or may not fit into this format. No easy answer. I always thought they should take lessons from Kingdom Under Fire, which I thought "Bladestorm: The Hundred Year War" was gonna be that- but not so much.

[@oskarskulason6093]

My biggest issue with the newer games is that they made the allied units completely useless, I remember that while playing Dynasty warriors 2/3 that they could reach Dong Zhuo's castle by themselves but now in the later games, it feels that every single allied unit is not only completely useless, they are an outright threat to my fun since almost whenever an allied officer (especially an important one) gets into a fight, even with just regular units, I'm bombarded by messages that the officer is being threat of routed and If I don't rush over to save them, they often die, so the levels are often just me rushing back and forth to keep my entire army alive by itself. Also in my opinion, I think that there were many good gameplay ideas in DW6, the siege system, how soldiers acted, archers and their towers along with other mechanics, And I wish that they hadn't given up on those ideas so quickly and instead have developed them more instead of literally tossing them into the trash.

[@megative-music]

The way you mentioned natural progression between games is actually a challenge faced by modern game development. With each iteration of hardware, people expect things to look better since you have a better hardware for it. So developers start to concentrate on presentation and aiming for the best. But the thing is, This is a pitfall that 80% of the modern games fall into. They started to get stuck on development hell, like DW10 that rumoured to be in development but never got announced yet. The longer they took time to develop something, the more the burden of perfectionism they need to tackle from the audience. And after the mix bag of DW9, that is a tall mountain to climb. Also didn't they already remaster DW4 with DW4 Hyper / DW5 with DW5 Special? IDK if I'd call it as remaster or just re-release though. But speaking of re-release, they could make a collection of DW1-6 bundled with updated resolution in a single package. As for now, I don't think DW1-6 is accessible aside from the console it released on (in an official manner like Steam or PS Store. Do correct me if there's one). No need to remaster the graphics like for character models etc. (but it'd be wonderful to have that), just updated resolution to 16:9 or any modern aspect ratio for these old games is probably a good thing. Also yes I include DW1 because it's a piece of history as well and it explains why the numbering of the Global version and Japanese version is different lol.

[@vedgie]

I just came across this video. I guess I'm a bit of an old-hat now, my first was DW2 when I got to try it on a PS2 demo disc lol. At one point I owned every DW title released up til the first Orochi game. A lot of what you said about the newer games is why I stopped playing them, I missed the feeling of being a part of a battle rather than being *the* deciding factor of a battle. Getting to try different starting areas felt fun and unique since you got to see different parts of the map at the start rather than roaming around on your horse and killing every officer in sight. I especially loved the challenge of obtaining the best weapons on games like DW3 where hard mode would kick your ass if you didn't respect the fodder, but at the same time you had to rush rush rush. Thanks for the nostalgia trip!

[@ShadowOfCicero]

"I think Sun Jian and Dong Zhuo shared a combo." *flashes back to the C4 that was almost impossible to land because of the slow wind-up and clunky hitbox

[@deikbeck]

Yes they doth had that crappy backstabber combo that rarely hit anyone lol. I remember Sun Jian had a better AOE charge Attack though.

[@wollfary]

All I want from a Warriors game in the future is 1) Custom character creation and possibly custom "What if" campaing like the older ones had. 2) Unique weapons / fighting styles for all (or most) characters, no more mirrors. 3) Lose the multiple weapons per character and just give other "Styles", I know having multiple weapons on a single character is cool but I'd rather have the characters have their unique weapons with just different fighting stances. 4) Duel mode. It was broken AF but it was fun.

[@bwilson774]

2:38 honestly DW 6 was a pretty good starting point with the never ending attack strings. Not quite cutting through enemies like butter at level 1 though, that started around DW 7

[@nhatlongvu8896]

DW6 got way too much unnecessary hate back in the day just because it was...different 😆In fact, it's is mild better than DW9 👍Talking about graphic, DW6 is seriously the best ever no doubt ⭐

[@richardwoodbury6131]

A DW Gundam 3 Remaster or New DW Gundam game would be amazing😁

[@dproductions7293]

i wish one day sm just make a hd ver. of dynasty warriors 5 and think "oh my god, if we get this game and make another one using the same old moveset and new graphics? would be a bop" and them, game ofg the year. dynasty warriors lost their mean when they change the move set in my opinion

[@Coyoda]

Sorry for leaving a 2nd comment but this is a weird hunch I have regarding SW5 and if they ever did an SW6 continuing into Hideyoshi’s Era. I think the shared movesets was made to cut down on development time. They maybe would have carried that over so that they could add a whole new roster of characters to replace those that died for musou mode (having them accessible via free mode). This way, they wouldn’t need to make a whole unique moveset even for new characters, unlike with the SW4 quadrilogy. though, I really did enjoy the effort they put into making wholly unique movesets for each new character added.

[@jaysanj152]

What'd i give see these games get a proper remaster treatment and released on steam. while I still prefer the new DW due to their fun factor but i have huge respect for the old ones cus of how ambitious they are.

[@um-vl6on]

Played Warriors series since DW2, nothing ever replace DW4 in my heart. not a single entry even after that felt made better. the story mode, the level design, and most importantly playing as your created officer in the main entry, and watch them interact in the "historical" cutscene like challenging Hua Xiong at the Shi Shui gate, no empire series could replicate that feeling ever.

[@JinTakahashiTensai]

I love this video! You hit the bullseye with everything said! Koei could very well go back to their roots with Dynasty Warriors 10! I will list the ideas the next chance I get!

[@sannyer633]

I do enjoy having a harder time in my DW games Having played quite a bit of Warriors Orochi 4 ultimate, all I can say is that weapons got WAY too powerful I could go in at level 1 into a stage of infinity mode (possibly the hardest content the game has to offer) if I have a sufficiently well fused weapon, I'd probably still beat most mission types.

[@Abel_Unstable]

DW3- DW6 had actual Strategy where morale, missions, bosses and peons matter the most and change the tides of war. Its a smart combination of Tactical Action Beat em Up. 7-9 is more of Beat em Up Rushdown Games with no depths, the only diffference was the Historical and Hypothethical routes which...is just some choices of who you want to speak to. Failing or success on missions feels more like a requirements rather than something that organicly change the tides of battle, its way to damn scripted.

[@olly2596]

Koei should really take a break and drop another Dynasty Tactics game been 20 years now 😂

[@bsgk-red]

Or Kessen 😎

[@olly2596]

@@bsgk-red literally still play all three kessen to this day great goated games.

[@bsgk-red]

@@olly2596 hours dumped into Kessen 2. That was the only one that I had

[@music_observe]

I totally agree with you to the T because ,I have no problem with Niether 6 nor 9 but I do wish in nine they weren't so money focused, and not giving all the characters unique weapons and combos and combos , I actually liked the combat it 9 but I totally understand where you were coming from I personally really like dw3, 5, 8 and 9

[@Yunglex313]

So I basically checked out a lot of videos on how the old games played since my introduction was Dw7 Empires and definitely noticed how much 8 went away from the actual strategy elements of the games. In older titles there were a lot of things you could do to influence morale and in turn enemy strength, and battles weren't so scripted that failing to complete objectives timely wasn't an immediate game over, versus overwhelming the enemy immensely that you get in 8. 7E was effectively to me how the morale system should work in conjunction with gameplay as battles were pretty rough depending on how well you do and how developed your territories are compared to your enemies.

[@Solongsocialmedia]

You used the regular show skips meme as the thumbnail. Respect.

[@kingj5703]

My first Dynasty Warriors game was DW3, it was quite a challenging game especially dealing with those crossbows archers in hard difficulty. I recently revisited DW5 Extreme Legend and SW2 Empires as those 2 are my favourites series of all time. But to compare these 2, i think SW2 Empires are the harder game in terms of AI activeness, the normal troops are more active and they really whack hard when surrounded by them. This really brought some nostalgia feeling back when I first played DW3 where I got killed by archers lol

[@russell3436]

Me too I’ve been revisiting the Warriors series on the PS2, mainly Dynasty Warriors 3 for the most part, I grew up with that game, I played it hardcore as a young kid unlocking all 4th weapons, secret items and maxing out all characters to 99999 stats without the help of any guide, still my favourite game in the series to this day. I feel the PS2 era of games DW2-5 SW1-2 And WO 1-2 Are the best because it gave you a solid challenge and gave you that edge of the seat heart racing feeling, you had to earn that 1000 ko’s The latest games I feel are way too easy, all your characters are highly overpowered and you can achieve over 3000 ko’s in under 10 mins and your combo count is also easy to achieve in the thousands without breaking a sweat. Koei has made the games too flamboyant and flashy without any challenge.

[@AddaeAkono]

As much as I want to see a remake of the old DW games on the PS2, I agree that Koei has to deliver a hit with DW 10 that is more of a return to form in terms of storytelling along with a back to basics approach to combat game play of fighting realistic battles and less of a power fantasy.

[@haydenwright2153]

Hello! Where I’m from of whom I’ve spoken with, people barely know any of the Musou games. A hot take or controversial topic though, I’ve always enjoyed the Sima Yi of DW6 with his weapon and move set through the wired claws/gloves. Sure, Zhang Chunhua received a similar “webbing” technique and he, himself, references towards one of his Musou attacks in later versions but, long story short, I loved the flow, ability, and repetition of the actions! I mean, I think it was the L1 or R1 triangle movesets that wrapped the enemy up until they perished? That was my iconic Sima Yi memory. I do have a wide variety these days of whom I fondly like throughout all the series. Zuo Ci, that one was my favorite for DW5 but he was downplayed even on max level for WO3U and he’s powerful on DW8.

[@TheNightowlGaming]

Welcome to the minority of liking DW6 my friend lol, I agree with alot you said, the only thing I wouldn't necessarily like/want and I could be proved wrong, but I hope they dont do a SW5 route, the roster size is expansive yes, but I dont mind all the characters gets to add variety and flavors that characters who arent super notable in the novel and gives them time to shine. Should characters be revamped? Absolutely. cut out compeletly for a hyper focused story on a small amount og characters? Mmmm unless the story and whatever they create is really engaging and worth it, I'd say no. I think they could absolutely make all current characters developed and fleshed out, just takes time & passion to do so. Great work again my friend!

[@RikusonOne]

I think a great route Dynasty Warriors 10 can go is to follow in the footsteps on Samurai Warriors 5 in regards to focusing on a portion of the time period and fleshing it out and only having the characters from that period be there. But here's the catch. Don't stop. As far as we know, there wouldn't be a Sw game that'll focus on the Hideyoshi period, it was assumed but never confirmed or promise. Dynasty Warriors 10 could focus on the Yellow Turbans to the end of Yuan Shao's legacy. Which if you've read the Robert Moss paperback translations of Romance of the Three Kingdoms covers way more than you'd assume that Omega Force (for most entries) skip over, it's Volume 1 of 4. And then from there, you can release Dynasty Warriors 10-2, a year and a half or so later. Covering everything in Volume 2 and so on. Each Dynasty Warriors entry has been trying to one up the next by adding more content, and the quality (and challenge) suffered. By focusing heavily on only a portion at a time this should give them the ability to really make the best iterations of all of the well known battles, scenes and characters. Basically what FF7 Remake and Rebirth is doing (minus the fluff in those games) you should understand what i mean since like i said once again if you've read the novels you'd be aware by how much it's actually cut from a main line Dynasty Warriors game and how much potential for fleshing all that out could bring without the need to fluff anything. Also get Team Ninja inside there to help with the combat since they are owned by them instead of getting them to make these Nioh-likes like Wo Long and Rise of Ronin which people aren't receiving as positively as Nioh. Put them on your flagship title and work together to make something truly special.

[@Mitsuanri94]

I’m rather sad they never tried anything like bladestorm again, while it was rough around the edges it managed to hit a sort of balance between being just another grunt and being a pivotal player in a battles outcome if they worked kinks out like they did between games like the samurai and dynasty series did it could’ve been something that appealed to the players that tried to actually engage with being a member of the army instead of a super hero who obliterates the opposition.

[@Manly_McBeefington]

The expectation Koei has for people to grind for 100% achievements is ludicrous.

[@dragonmaster951753]

Dynasty warriors 4 and 5 along with samurai warriors 2 were the best of the series. Warriors orochi is a blast as well but 4 and 5 were so difficult but good

[@IttarraOda]

This will be a long comment but a few things I really wanted to touch on. The peon discussion, the best iteration of all peons was DW3 and DW3XL for one very specific reason, they were essentially on your level when in terms of "Skill" with the weapon before you got your 3rd weapon. You felt a weird "progression" when you are able to get the 3rd weapon, you weren't an almighty God, you started the same as them. Not a lot of people have seen or know this, but every peon had the chance to do a Musou attack (yes even privates) and bigger than that the combos and aggression of the peons made them as much of a threat as officers themselves. It didn't feel like fodder, it felt like you were literally fighting WITH your army not just you ARE the army and the Nanman in DW3 is probably the absolute strongest army and will challenge you at every turn. A remaster I think COULD be a good direction after the flop of the past 3 Warriors titles (flop is loose here) only because given their DLC practices, it could lead to getting the spin offs as DLCs. Base game of 3, 4, and 5. But release DW3XL, DW4XL and Empires, and DW5XL and Empires all roughly 3-6 months apart at $10- 15 for DW3XL and $25 for the double DLC. Then after that ends they could do a "Dynasty Collection" of the entire thing. I mean I'm not ashamed to admit I've bought soundtracks from past games for the newer games, or anything like that and I'm sure a lot of others have too and this wouldn't be a big asking price. We're all addicts for this series lets not beat around the bush lmao. I feel like the open world aspect could easily not only make the series better, but restore the love for the series as a whole. If it's handled right, as you said with Elden Ring the whole premise was built from the ground up with pride in the craft in mind, something players would want, and would enjoy. They had a small blueprint in Warrior Orochi 3, with Miasma affecting how strong, and how explosive enemies were, warping the battlefield, making you think about if you want to go a longer route cause the other route would be a trap. Now just imagine that brief snippet being applied to how DW9 was, it's already astronomically better. I just think that Koei sadly lost the pulse of their audience, and forgot the reason we loved these games was because it made us feel a part of the era, not all the era was, which is a delicate balancing act. A power fantasy is completely fine, until there's no reason to get stronger, and I feel like newer warriors games went too hard on making you unstoppable and not enough on making sure you kept fighting, old warriors games made you GROW to that strength for a payoff which was so satisfying and worth the grind. Sorry for the essay but I hope this is the kind of discussion you'd enjoy having. :) keep up the great work! Can't wait for the next one.

[@sketchywest1176]

I think Koei just needs to start from scratch with a new mainline title. I mean everything: graphics, animations, AI, all of it. Admittedly I've only played 2 mainline titles (4 & 6E) but trying the demos for the more recent releases, I was baffled. The graphics seemed barely a step up from the PS2 era. I understand that running a game that has so many moving parts to it is probably pretty intensive to the system, but surely we can do better than this? If not, maybe giving the series a more stylistic flair like the new Samurai Warriors could help in keeping the visuals at least interesting. Near all of the animations I saw in those demos, I recognized from the PS2 era. That is ridiculous. Yeah, it's a cost saving measure, but you couldn't even make new ones when moving to the next console? Or the one after that? (I'm referring to pre-existing animations for weapons, excluding those made for new weapons and characters). The AI. Oh, the AI. I'm not gonna say it was a tactical genius or anything in the old games, but I've definitely never felt like I caught it sleeping as often as I did the newer ones. Enemies in the old games were pretty constantly moving around the map, but now it seemed like a decent chunk of the enemy team just... stood around, waiting for you to run up on them. Definitely could use some reworking. Why throw it all out? I think the mainline games have stagnated because they've had all these existing assets to fall back on. But I think they're also what's holding them back. Near all the collab games they've made have been pretty top notch. DW Gundam Reborn is a personal favorite of mine, and felt truer to the spirit of DW than the newer mainline games. And I think that's because they had to make those games from the ground up. As such, I feel that's what the mainline needs: start from scratch and get some ideas going. Don't hold on to the past, surpass it.

[@henrikaugustsson4041]

The more realistic style of DW3 is what got me into the game. I loved how Sun Jian looked very realistic and just had a sword. DW and SW doesn’t have to be over the top, that’s not what sold me on it. It’s actually what’s putting me off it now. I want samurai with samurai weapons, looking like samurai, and not using toys for weapons. Same for DW.

[@Darkheart1413]

Whilst I never want Dw to be like a soulsgame because the easiness is definitely refreshing compared to other games I play. I can’t help but feel when playing nioh or wo long, games set in the same time as DW/SW how cool it would be to have elements of them games appear in DW. Personally I think the majority of peons should remain easy, but I like your idea a lot, smaller groups but the are much more aggressive and can do some damage. What I’d like to see mainly is more focus on officer vs officer combat, I think to deal with this duels could be brought back, the dw4 or dw6 one. As for combat itself, I like skill trees, I think the charge system should remain as the main combat, but have many elements from other games on top of that, like dw9s trigger attacks, dw6s grapple attacks.

[@UnshotSpy]

As for the too easy part, the gameplay you were showing in DW8 as Lu Lingqi perfectly sums it up. You did not fight next to one of your allies ONCE. But you also didn't take ANY damage. The older games had you relying on your allies to survive, and so keeping them alive and their morale high was important for your own survival. In the newer games, its more efficient to just run ahead and take out all the officers on your own before your allies even have a chance to fight them. It's especially bad in Samurai Warriors 4/5 where you have hyper attacks that let you just wipe all enemies just by spamming the Y button. I miss when the games actually challenged me. I needed to form actual strategy in the old games to be able to survive while also making sure my allies survive all while pushing the enemy. Now its just all about using wild Anime attacks to wipe out hundreds of near braindead peons like its NOTHING. The only times I need to care about keeping my allies alive is when the game tells me I will lose if this ally dies. And even then, it is still better to just single handily obliterate the enemy army before they have a chance to clash with yours. This is why the new games are not as good.

[@JimmySlippit]

There is a clear line where Musou became more "anime" than "grounded" and it was absolutely Warriors Orochi. And for the record I love it for that

[@RedHoodRubyRose]

Dynasty Warriors 4 was my first game I ever played. Then I played Samurai Warriors. There is just something about those games that I love. The difficulty, the way your army mattered, the way you had to use tactics, plan your attacks and support your officers. New games just don't have it ... and having your officer kills 200 soldiers in one blow was just too much. I also loved how the older series were their own thing, you can play Shu and conquer the land and get their own ending, but now for some reason they need to stay lore accurate. On one hand I understand it teaches history, but, on another, I prefer the Hypothetical endings.

[@Spittfire_666]

For as much hate as DW6 gets, it seemed to do 1v1000 better than any of the games since, it also did duels, bases, and sieges significantly better than any of the other games. Bummer that they made so many questionable choices like renbu, weapon & horses rework, removing half of the roster, duplicate movesets etc.

[@Asmith218]

My hot take is since playing since 3 the only time i enjoyed playing huang gai was with the boat. Previous entries he was the slow guy who moved as fluidly as a mannequin. He was dynamic and interesting with that rediculous boat moveset instead of the way more realistic mace and grenades moveset. But bring back a reason to put Ma chao and now Pang De on a horse. They came from a region renowned for their cavalry and since 5 ma chao has felt just as stong as any other character mounted vs having that nova attack to wipe out troops in the old games.

[@dannygreenland4853]

I have to agree with u about several things u mentioned the older games were harder I mean I love the 1 vs 1000 but the older games were a challenge, I remember He Fei Castle in DW3 or DW5 they were hard I remember one time on He Fei castle on DW5 everyone had been taken out and I had to stay by Cao Cao's side and let the generals come to me and that sux Gan ning, Lu Xun, Lu Meng, and many tough generals one of the hardest missions I've ever had I won still surprises me that I did, but nowadays u don't have that well unless you facing Lu Bu, or for SW Tadakatsu Honda. Even in SW1, it was tough with Yukimura's weapon I think u had to get 1000 kills and that was hard the only missions u could do were missions that had an outside battle then go inside the castle afterward. I do like getting new characters every game, but it would be tough for developers to continue to create new characters, some of the weapons were stupid also as u mentioned Huang Gao has a boat I mean WTF. What u said about WO getting an open world would be great China, Japan, and Orochi's world mixed together would be awesome. One thing that really pissed me off was introducing subtitles, I am used to them in movies but in computer games not at all I want to play the game and know what is being said instead of trying to read subtitles instead of playing the game there should be an option to have it dubbed, I can live with it but it's just annoying for me. I loved that in the early games, it told u how many people each general killed I liked that but there are so many it would be weird but not undoable, just have like 2 or 3 pages, I liked to know how everyone was doing, especially the ones u fight beside.

[@AngelRosarioYT]

I remember the last hardest warriors type game had to have been the DW4XL/DW4 and SW2/SW2XL on the ps2, the difficulty on those games are literal 1-2 hit death touches if you got hit by literally any enemy, you really had to play strategic or buff up your character with the best items/orbs- playing warriors orochi and SW4 it’s a literal cake walk on expert- maybe it’s the added mechanics that make everything too easy for escape options but there’s something about the ps2 versions that were super difficult. I remember every enemy being as strong as a boss if you didn’t have any good set up

[@richardcaraballo1185]

While i would LOVE a remake/remaster of DW 3-5 or SW 1-2, if they just simply ported them over to modern consoles it'd be a day one buy for me. Having these games stuck on PS2 with no other way to play them these days is an absolute tragedy.

[@AkagiRedSun]

Play it on emulator, I got mini PC just for emulation which acts like console on a TV with thousands of classic games. You can play any old DW games 4k 60fps on a widescreen patch on a budget mini PC.

[@shokamoka6732]

Emulator on your tablet bruh Even my Galaxy Tab S6 Lite with its peasant of a processor can run it without issues

[@gourilla9381]

Gan Ning used to be my type of thing. 😢

[@mansman2167]

Makes sense why I preferred the Empires subseries. There was focus on bases and troop count which dictated how you should attack and defend.

[@vajmuasvids3386]

Aight i got some takes. If they decide to remaster any of the old games, as long as they have Online co-op, Ima be there. Im down for a character reduction if it means every other character has a true unique moveset. Like im saying even basic attacks are unique. It makes no sense for for DW 10 to take out MaChao, but lets say they did. If that means when I play Zhao Yun, I'm having the time of my life, I'm down. The worst backlash KOEI would get is, "why tf is MaChao not in the game. Great game tho" We don't need additional/secondary weapons. If we get secondary weapons, no way in hell unique movesets come back. Secondary weapons work great as a concept forsure. It only makes sense everyone should know how to use a sword or bow or whatever, but like. If i pick Lu Xun, i wanna do badass shit with the twin swords, not be some guan yu lookin ass. DW10 story. OK. everyone is over it. So presentation is everything and I think there are three ways they can go about this. - The first way I say they go one story for all the forces. No Wu story, No Wei, No Shu, etc. They follow the three kingdoms timeline, and you go thru each battle with canonical characters (limited characters to choose like DW4) and playing the canonical victors. So for example, ur playing Huang Gai on Chi Bi, and after u beat cao cao's ass, the next fight is Cao Cao's escape and u start playing as wei's forces. After the Battle, u then unlock the free mode version and can play as either side. Yes, this does hinder character progression in story mode, but the story mode will be better off for it. WuZhangPlains too hard and your Jiang Wei is too weak? Go grind for a bit dawg. - the second way, Each force has its own story, but like they delve hard into the extreme legends route. Like on some Guan Yu and Zhang Fei never die Zuo Ci appears and Shu just wins type shit. - the third and least unlikely way is the DW5 route. The Character Count is definitely getting reduced for this, but getting personal moments and cutscenes from your favorite characters is awesome. Maybe i wanna be DaQiao and just follow SunCe around until he dies type shit. Combat. Ok. We can keep the AOE shit, it needs to be like. SUPER LIMITED. If I do basic attacks into charge, like okay send a couple enemies flying, I dont wanna see my SCREEN CLEARED. That's whats MUSOU is meant for. In terms of Difficulty, I think Everyone agrees that getting hit by a peasant in DW4 is cool. i want to be a little annoyed even on normal difficulty. Like, "come here you little fucker you think u can just hit me". Officer fights needa be toned up to 10. Like if I'm Gan Ning and Ling Tong pulls up, I needa see Ling Tong using his Musou right away, Peasants on both sides flying off my screen when two famous officers are fighting. Im down if they bring back duels, but even if they don't, I just want to feel like im fighting a boss, Like Ok holup this foo not playing games. Maps. Nah we going back to maps. Fuck that open world shit. If u wanna have the player hunt tigers, just make it as a miniboss in a random ass corner in the Namman campaign. like im not even joking. that could be dope. I also think we can tone down movement a bit too. Like when theres a castle gate, i dont wanna grappling hook. I wanna have to protect the ram thats getting the gate open, or have to bring a ladder all the way from base to climb up to the top. If you wanna leave in the grappling hook, okay, allow the enemy to cut that bitch while im climbing up it. Other Modes. This isn't gunna sell the game, but this is what makes fans fond of the games. I really did love hitting mf's off a bridge in DW3. And like, people may not understand why thats fun, so they don't gotta bring that back. But they can get REALLY creative forsure. Like I want a mode where its like ur a peasant and u have like 1000 other peasants and the goal is see how long yall can keep Zhao Yun away from Liu Shan. If you get KO'd its game over, but like you can toss the baby to someone else and they keep running. tell me that doesnt sound fun. Empires/ExtremeLegends If they not bringing back challenge modes, just put these two in the base game. boom bop. Okay, thats enough for now lmao

[@smileyday]

Great video and you mentioned some important topics, I agree koei can’t be trusted with a remaster just yet. They need a well polished Warriors game to get the series back on track, before a cash grab collection of the older games.

[@KoeiKollection]

Thanks Smiley!

[@LukaBlight69]

In regards to too many characters, I can understand the over-saturation being a problem since eventually every character starts to feel very "samey" which is also why I thought Samurai Warriors did a really good thing with having unique character models, but not making them playable. Main example being Shibata Katsuie, he was not playable in the early games, but he had a unique model that made him stand out from the generic general/officer figures. Youtake figures like Yuan Shu, Gongsun Zan, or Ma Teng, who play significant roles in the early events of the story of ROTK, but don't make them playable, just give them a unique model so they stand out from the generic officers.

[@matthewwilson3673]

A high res remake of warriors orochi 2 would be insane, I do think sw5 is fun but I agree it could have been better

[@KevinSatron]

thats what musou orochi z is, but it's japan only, they really need to port it to current gen with eng text atleast

[@kamb0510]

I started with the series on DW2, to me DW5 was the last good Warriors game where the series peaked. DW7 & 8 were decent but not at the levels of DW3 - 5. DW6 & 9 were just not fun although they do get some brownie points for trying to innovate the series but at the end of the day people just want a fun game. The unique charm of DW3 - 5 will be hard to replicate in modern times but i hope DW10 will be a better experience than DW6 and 9

[@riccardir13]

The problem with removing characters is the problem that Koei will remove a character that actually did something in the three kingdoms romance in favor of someone who didn't, also the weapons thing is a problem because Koei now seems to favor locking stuff behind dlc when it used to be just cosmetic. For movestyle some characters have Iconics that they should keep, Zhang He with his claws, Sun Ce with his Tonfa etc but there are other characters that have been so sporadic with their weapons Gan Ning has had a scimitar, dual knives, a flail and a scickle and chain you don't know where to pin them. I do like the variety and uniqueness in weapons even the boat and i think they should keep that with characters because it reflected China's uniqueness in developing weaponry there were so many weapons of different shapes and sizes because of things like utility where many weapons doubled as tools, or reflected ones status and personality that they expressed during their fighting style.